Don't Revert The Update

[thick crest]

And I responded to that arguement

[smoky zephyr]

a stupid way

restarting doesnt prove anything

[thick crest]

Restarting disconnects anyone in the game

[smoky zephyr]

and?

[thick crest]

How is that stupid

[smoky zephyr]

what does disconnecting everyone prove

[green prawn]

real players join back fast as well

[smoky zephyr]

and why would he disconnect everyone just to prove a point to some monkey in here

[thick crest]

A person who has nothing to hide shouldn't fear proving people wrong

[smoky zephyr]

thats not my point

kicking everyone isnt exactly good for his server

whats he gonna say to the people who are annoyed?

"sorry for the restart, i was proving to some random guy on discord that im not botting"

and u still havent answered my question

[thick crest]

Or simply just say its Maintenance update

[smoky zephyr]

what does restarting prove

[smoky zephyr]

that doesnt change it. the players will still be annoyed and some switch to other servers while its restarting

do u think 100% of the players will join back after the server restarts?

and if they did do you think 100% of them will not be annoyed about the random restart

[thick crest]

No but Id assume with his number he got loyal fans

What you tryna tell me is complete excuses

[smoky zephyr]

omfg

imma actually kms

[green prawn]

restarting wouldn't even show anything even if he did it

[thick crest]

Yes it does what?

[green prawn]

what would it show

[smoky zephyr]

so if he restarted how would u tell if he was botting?

[green prawn]

that players join back after a server restart?

guys look, Minehut is botting. they got 3k players instantly once MInehut came back up

[smoky zephyr]

that doesnt make the decision good. hes still losing half his players

[smoky zephyr]

maybe because people were trying to reconnect after getting disconnected??

oh i thought that was him who sent that lmao

[green prawn]

yes was joking

[thick crest]

If the Bots are set to auto reconnect, Because these companies dont sell you single Bots, its a bundle, Ive seen how this works.
If he stops the server,, Tells his discord its a maintenance update, reopen it without any announcement it is and if players instant connect in the same packet its Bots

[smoky zephyr]

i realized lmao

[green prawn]

one could easily disable the bots or have them on a delay after restarting

it wont prove anything

[smoky zephyr]

in the same packet??? do u have any idea abt what ur talking abt??

[green prawn]

also thats not how packets work

[smoky zephyr]

^^

[green prawn]

multiple connections require multiple packets

its not gonna be in 1 packet

[smoky zephyr]

so hes gonna shut it down for a while where people can go and find other servers to play on and probably not come back because theyre busy playing the other server

or get off mc or whatever

theres a reason why companies try to optimize down time

[thick crest]

This can be done if an update is being released

Theres a way to do it, theres always a way to find it out. IN regards to mh botting

Thats stupid who believes mh bots

[green prawn]

did you just ignore what was said above. a restart wouldn't even prove anything

[thick crest]

This is in regards to external servers

[smoky zephyr]

lmao

[thick crest]

You think so

[smoky zephyr]

he literally just gave u a reason to why it wouldnt prove anything and u ignored it

[thick crest]

No its a possible outcome, If he turns off the bot network for example when doing this process with people watching him then it is what it is, Im saying this is a possible way to prove it

Will it be accurate and do I think factors can take place to miscommunicate the outcome of course it happens most of the time

Again do I believe MH servers hosted under mh are botted

Most likely not

Because MH monitors their own networks

[smoky zephyr]

so then why dont u just wait until an updates being released? 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯

[thick crest]

Yeah disproves your arguement

[green prawn]

how does external servers or minehut servers change anything

[thick crest]

Mh can't monitor my console

If I were to use plugins or methods to do it

[green prawn]

they dont need to

they track their own player joins

[smoky zephyr]

you dont need plugins for bots lmao

[green prawn]

plugins can't affect the player counts on Minehut

[thick crest]

Which is why I believe mh run servers aren't botted

[green prawn]

even for externals

Minehut only displays the count of who joined through Minehut

[smoky zephyr]

you can see that they have mostly mh users lmao

[green prawn]

and plugins cant change that

[thick crest]

Plugins can change that

[green prawn]

no they cant

[smoky zephyr]

no they cant

[green prawn]

minehut tracks those joins

through the proxy

[thick crest]

Externally we are talking

[green prawn]

yes

minehut tracks those joins

[thick crest]

Not via minehut Idc about minehut tracks

[green prawn]

everyone joins through the minehut proxy

[thick crest]

Im talking about on the server list

Mc Server List

Plugins can alter that number

[green prawn]

we aren't talking about mc server lists??

[smoky zephyr]

WHICH ISNT BOTTING

[thick crest]

Its a form of manipulation is what Im saying

[green prawn]

this whole thing was about minehut servers botting. mc server lists have nothing to do with that

[smoky zephyr]

you said this in response to me saying botting wasnt an issue on mh

lmao

[thick crest]

External servers has more options to do it then a Mh run server

According to the owner of the gen server its an external server

If it was a Mh Run on their own network I wouldn't even bring up botting

[green prawn]

if the external server is connected to Minehut, spoofing isn't possible

[thick crest]

Not if you use more than 1 proxies

Which majority of external servers have to do

[green prawn]

that still has nothing to do minehut servers botting

[smoky zephyr]

why dont u just look at boxpvpv

[thick crest]

Stop talking about mh servers botting

We are in agreeance that mh servers aren't botting

[smoky zephyr]

u said that u cant spoof bot or whatever on the mh server list right?

@thick crest

[thick crest]

If I use 2 proxies one for mh and 1 for lets say another IP to join from

[green prawn]

minehut only displays the player count of players who joined through the minehut proxy

[smoky zephyr]

minehut only displays the count of players who join through the MINEHUT proxy

[thick crest]

We are talking about external servers

[smoky zephyr]

yes

[thick crest]

Why you two still bringing up mh

[smoky zephyr]

theyre an external mh server

[thick crest]

They use 2 proxies

[green prawn]

then why does boxpvpv need to restart to prove they aren't botting?

[smoky zephyr]

but do you agree that the MINEHUT player count cannot be botted or spoofed?

just answer the question ffs

[thick crest]

We've been in agreeance your just slow to realize my point

[smoky zephyr]

im just making sure so u dont change ur story

ok well go onto minehut

and ull see that the minehut player count and the player count boxpvpv displays on the server list ping has a 1 player difference

meaning that the highest amount of players they can possibly be spoofing or botting is 1

🤯 🤯 🤯

[green prawn]

thats cause they dont update at the same time

[smoky zephyr]

well still

[thick crest]

One API is faster than the other

[smoky zephyr]

off by a few

[green prawn]

i dont think boxpvpv even has an external proxy

the number in () is just what the proxy reports to Minehut. and the other number is what Minehut tracks

[smoky zephyr]

its not like 1 of them updates once per day and the other once every 10 mins

[thick crest]

If they are external they have too the current mh setup guide for external servers doesn't work

Im an external server and to even use Mh I needed a second proxy

[green prawn]

you only need 1 proxy to connect to Minehut

[thick crest]

Correct but my main IP would become unusable if I did via 1 proxy

I need 2 for my setup to work

[green prawn]

tell players to join through Minehut then

[thick crest]

No cause external panel doesn't allow custom rps

[green prawn]

it does

[thick crest]

So anyone who joins via mh doesn't get an rp

[green prawn]

you have to upload the pack to github

and send the raw github link to users

[thick crest]

Tried it and got 0 support

[green prawn]

you probably didn't use the right link then

either ask in #1014801630295760897 or the partners server

[thick crest]

Ive asked server owners who have had the same issue

And contacting support is like speaking to someone outside of the company

[green prawn]

its worked fine for me and many of the other top servers

[thick crest]

Its aight, my main playerbase joins outside of mh

My boxpvp playerbase joins via the proxy

On mh so idc enough

Its not boxpvp requires an rp

[green prawn]

your full player count won't be shown on Minehut then

[thick crest]

Idc enough if it does or not

[green prawn]

I mean its a simple fix to show up higher on Minehut's player list

[thick crest]

Yeah but Mh connection isn't the best

and Im a pvp server so it doesn't matter to me, We advertise externally, We dont care about /ads

Which is a whole other argument which is stupid

[inland solar]

when you heard about randomness then we can have a valid conversation

[thick crest]

You stayed quiet when I corrected you on calling yourself unique so that was a valid conversation

Dont act high and mighty when I never once believed or stated you bot your server

[smoky zephyr]

why dont u not act smart when u dont know what ur talking about

[inland solar]

what?

[thick crest]

So your saying I act smart, Thanks then

[thick crest]

Nice response

[smoky zephyr]

😭

[inland solar]

??? You moved onto botting, so i replied to that

im not going to stick on one topic for the whole convo

thats called a human conversation

[thick crest]

My point is you know Im right in that arguement

[inland solar]

if you want to talk about my server being unique or not, i am glad to

[smoky zephyr]

acting like it doesnt mean u are r||nugget||d

[inland solar]

no i dont

[thick crest]

Aight you own multiple servers

Which one you wanna talk about?

[inland solar]

boxpvpv?

wdym

[thick crest]

BoxPvP is not unique

The concept is used over and over again

Now what addons/features do you have that other BoxPvP servers dont use

[inland solar]

the genre is not unique, but the concept of ours is.
We got lotteries, dark market, 4 different areas with custom texture pack bosses and custom models, a stock market, custom items etc etc

[green prawn]

why are you making your own box server then

[inland solar]

plus all our discord features which make us unique including the ML question answering bot

[thick crest]

Ok we can agree in that

So you agree with my point

Lol

[inland solar]

no, you said the concept is used over and over again. I said the genre is not unique, but our concept is

[thick crest]

Thats my point

[inland solar]

??

[thick crest]

You can say your concept is unique cause of features

But saying its Unique is not

[inland solar]

You said: concept is used over and over again
I said: our concept is unique

we are not the same

[thick crest]

And I correct you were above you mention its unique

And I corrected you saying you worded it wrong

[inland solar]

?

[thick crest]

Which is why I corrected you in the first place

[inland solar]

we are talking about now, correct?

you said concept has been used over and over again?

i said our concept is unique?

there is a difference

[thick crest]

The idea of BoxPvP is used over and over again

The features within it

Can determine if its unique within that Genre

[thick crest]

We made one to bring in pvpers from minehut who may be interested in our main mode

Which is unique in its own way and a completely new gamemode

[green prawn]

why not advertise that mode directly then

[thick crest]

We do

Just Minehut is a second source

Any source of income is a good source

[inland solar]

the genre of boxpvp is not unique, but like I said, the concept is. I do not agree with you when you said that the concept has been used over and over again, because our concept of the genre is unique.
i think thats a good end to that convo, can we get back to the topic of this thread now?

[green prawn]

ya advertise that mode directly through Minehut rather than advertising a non unique concept and hope players look at your other mode

[thick crest]

Literally my point since I started

[smoky zephyr]

at least his servers ip works

[inland solar]

you said concept is used over and over again i said concept is unique

[thick crest]

Read up to where I even replied to you

[thick crest]

Minehut players will enjoy what they are attracted too

Again with the RP thing being an issue I can't do much until MH just adds that feature to the panel

[thick crest]

Didn't scroll all the way

[inland solar]

??

[green prawn]

you said it was to bring in players for your other mode. if you advertise your other mode through minehut rather than box and players aren't interested, what do you think them joining the box server would make them interested in the other mode

[green prawn]

i already told you the method to do that

[inland solar]

im going to look at your latest message, not the message 1000 years away

[thick crest]

Was sent today

[smoky zephyr]

@thick crest whats ur server

[inland solar]

nah really?

[thick crest]

So wheres the 1000 years

[thick crest]

https://www.youtube.com/@mcnationsnetwork497

[inland solar]

😭

you are sad

[thick crest]

Just end it the convo we agreed did we not

So go back to working on your server

[inland solar]

we disagreed but ok

[smoky zephyr]

hyperbole: exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

[inland solar]

👍

[inland solar]

!!

[thick crest]

Nah we both agree on the same thing

[inland solar]

ok

[manic fable]

minecraft servers aren't unique, they just keep being made

@thick crest what is your ign

[thick crest]

Same as this

[manic fable]

ok then your comments are also invalid cause you haven't played

[thick crest]

Played what?

[manic fable]

cause you dont spend most of your time doing gens, so idek if thats still considered the core mechanic

.

.

[thick crest]

I need to play a gen server to tell you its unoriginal core game mechanic

What?

[manic fable]

@thick crest

[smoky zephyr]

so real

[manic fable]

and you said the server, not the core game mechanic

well you said both

bot i'm talking about the server

[thick crest]

If your core gameplay revolves around gen mechanics

Its unoriginal

[manic fable]

are you even reading what i'm writing

[thick crest]

Now if you have interesting features to compliment that its unique in its own way

But its not a Unique Game Mode

[manic fable]

the gens are more a compliment to the other features

[thick crest]

Is it still a gen server?

The idea of gaining money by genning items

[inland solar]

whats your server about?

the "unique" one?

[smoky zephyr]

Join the best Ancient/Medieval Wafare Gamemode on Minehut. We are hosting a Daily Demo for anyone who joins

[thick crest]

Old post

We stopped the Demo

[inland solar]

that just seems like a team vs team pvp fighting game just dubbed as medieval

[thick crest]

Nah

[inland solar]

im guesing you have to capture stuff as well

and have different mounts and stuff

[thick crest]

Join up to 7 Nations in a unique custom map and conquer over 18 Towns on the map. Take as many as you can each town contains unique resources which you will use to craft better armor and unlock new abilities at your Nation

Heres what to offer
[!] Unique Special Weapons, Over 18+ to choose from
[!] Unique Leveling System
[!] Siege Machines, and Traps to use on the Battlefield
[!] Downloadable Resourcepack in the lobby for the ultimate Experience
[!] Horse Mechanic
[!] Unique Capturing System
[!] In game Events

JOIN NOW
McNationsnet.minehut.gg or /join McNationsnet

[inland solar]

yup capturing

[thick crest]

New map in Development

[inland solar]

mounts horse ig

yeah its just a team vs team battle server

[manic fable]

did it get players?

[thick crest]

Check out YT Channel

We have montages

Highest we got was 150 on a single map

[manic fable]

yes, its called a gen server cause i still want players, i'm not putting it in the rpg category

[inland solar]

its literally just a nations thing which is just taken from all those nation youtube videos

not really unique

[smoky zephyr]

more like compilations of terrible clips

[manic fable]

heatrpg will be top of mh

[thick crest]

Not really our game has been on the platform since 2013

[inland solar]

oh lol your trailer literally has those youtube videos of nations fighting

thats crazy

[thick crest]

We were the first to pioneer the mode

[inland solar]

i doubt that

your youtube was made in 2022

[thick crest]

You can videos dating back to

[inland solar]

and your discord in 2021

i doubt you made the gamemode in 2013

[thick crest]

Yeah but the domain is from 2013

[inland solar]

ok?

[thick crest]

So we got this game up since 2013

[smoky zephyr]

He skripted it in 2013

[inland solar]

uhuh

[thick crest]

Videos are back in 2013

[inland solar]

where is this video from 2013 on your server?

[thick crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWPIJihNA50

Not the 2013 one

[inland solar]

dude

this was not made by you

[thick crest]

But to show you preston played it years ago

We own the same domain

[inland solar]

team vs team has been a thing for a long time

[thick crest]

Its the same gamemode

[inland solar]

so what if you own the domain??

[thick crest]

LMAO

Did you play on that server?

[thick crest]

Nawdoms was our second IP

[inland solar]

uhuh

[thick crest]

But we didn't like Nawdoms

So we decided to only use mcnations

[inland solar]

mhm

[manic fable]

that video is older than your discord account

[inland solar]

exactly

[thick crest]

Duh Im the new owner

[inland solar]

???

[thick crest]

It was passed down

[inland solar]

so you didnt make it?

[thick crest]

I ran it back in 2013

I was an Admin

[inland solar]

??????

[thick crest]

And a Dev

[inland solar]

ok

wheres your discord from that time then

lmao

this video was in 2015

and discord was made i think 2015 or 2014

[smoky zephyr]

But isnt the domain from 2013???

[thick crest]

I deleted my old discord cause when I took over I wanted to use a new account

[inland solar]

true that as well

[inland solar]

real!

[smoky zephyr]

Bs

[thick crest]

Thats fine

You can stay mad my server is literally the start of the Team Vs Team gamemode

[inland solar]

💀

ok buddy

it really isnt

[thick crest]

And we had big Youtubers on it

[inland solar]

teams vs teams has always been a thing

[manic fable]

read that again

you invented teams fighting each other

good job

[thick crest]

Back in 2013 when we had 1.8

1.8 was easily holding 300 players on a single core server

[inland solar]

nah bro invented team fights 💀

[manic fable]

great job!!! you invented teams fighting each other!! i bet you were the first to do that!!!

[thick crest]

Now we cant even get 100 with new 1.19

[inland solar]

bro was the first one to invent the concept of a team 💀

[inland solar]

thats just a you issue

any competent server should be able to get more

[green prawn]

1.8 didn't exist in 2013

[inland solar]

HAHAHAHAHAHAA

[manic fable]

exposed even harder

[inland solar]

LMAOO

thats so funny

hahahah

[thick crest]

We were a thing during the early versions

Im literally proving my point

[inland solar]

💀

[thick crest]

So hold up

You are a competent server owner

Your going to tell me server performance back then is better than today standards

Are you stupid?

[manic fable]

you are telling us that you can only handle 100 players on your server

[inland solar]

when did i say that?

[inland solar]

^

[thick crest]

So why is Hypixel on 1.8

Anyone wanna chime in why they aren't 1.19

[inland solar]

because people like the combat? plus plugins they use and their infra is on 1.8

[manic fable]

probably cause of the pvp mechanics

[thick crest]

No idiot

1.8 is the most stable game version of MC

Besides the PvP

[manic fable]

1.9 wasn't that laggy lmao

[inland solar]

aint no way bro just said that

[thick crest]

It can hold more players on single core server than the latest mc infrastructure

Hell nah this guy dumb bro

[inland solar]

maybe because it has 1/10 of the features 💀

[green prawn]

id say 1.12.2 is. thats why majority of mods are made in 1.12.2

[manic fable]

whats stopping you from using an older version of mc

[inland solar]

i could agree with this somewhat
but the paper chunk loading on 1.19 is crazy good

[thick crest]

You have a map of Boxpvp

What chunks are being loaded its not an smp

[inland solar]

???

[thick crest]

You dont even need to worry about chunk loading

[inland solar]

i just stated a fact

dumbass

[manic fable]

bro i can hold 200 players on my lifesteal server

doesn't even have new paper chunk stuff

[inland solar]

he likely is just coding everything in skript

skript core

[green prawn]

1.19 folia makes it even better

[inland solar]

yeah, but you need a lot of specs for that

and its a bit unstable rn

but it can be great

[green prawn]

ya when its more developed

[inland solar]

mhm

[thick crest]

Thank you for mentioning folia

[manic fable]

multipaper

[inland solar]

!!

[thick crest]

Folia helps use multicore

Without multicore nobody server getting over 150 simple as that

[manic fable]

#1085347976609800252 message not folia

or multipaper

just a singular paper server

[thick crest]

Id love to see your lifesteal on 200 players

[inland solar]

💀

average just show him the minetrack

[manic fable]

https://track.dupeblocks.com

[thick crest]

We got 150 on a pregen map so no chunks were being loaded at a stable 20 TPS but as soon as we jumped to 200 we dropped to 16 TPS

17*

[green prawn]

they are gonna say botting or spoofing now

[manic fable]

i'll get a better thing cause thats only 150 on full network

[inland solar]

fr

[inland solar]

our server has had upto 250 players on our server at once

guess we're just better

at 20 tps btw

[thick crest]

Your out of this convo

[inland solar]

💀

[thick crest]

So dont even talk Lmao

[inland solar]

who the hell are you to talk

[thick crest]

Your a box server with a pre set area players cant leave

[inland solar]

so?

[thick crest]

His is a Lifesteal server

[inland solar]

ok?

[thick crest]

With vanilla mechanics happening

And prob a bigger world raidus

And chunks loading

[inland solar]

you said server period

Without multicore nobody server getting over 150 simple as that

so shut up

[thick crest]

Your opinion is invalid dont talk

[inland solar]

💀

[manic fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058848851961843743/1099071582263050270/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076339309831000168/1099387144054767747/image.png
these are the best i have

[inland solar]

damn someones coping really hard

[manic fable]

230 one was during an event so wasn't all lifesteal

bottom image still has 162 on lifesteal

[inland solar]

192*

[manic fable]

thats on network

look at scoreboard

[inland solar]

ahh

[thick crest]

Event was on a different world

[inland solar]

i forgot ur bad

[thick crest]

Or Event Server

[manic fable]

there was no event for the bottom image

[inland solar]

still 160 on a single lifesteal, while you said 150 is max

[manic fable]

and event is on a different server

dont have a lifesteal player count for the top one

[manic fable]

and 20 tps

[thick crest]

I assume less than 20 plugins

Lifesteal doesn't require much plugins

[manic fable]

bro what are you on

plugin count means nothing

[thick crest]

Plugins use core usage wtf you on

If I have 100 plugins they are using my cpu to do their processes

[manic fable]

wtf are you on, its normally about how efficient the plugins are, not the amount

[green prawn]

its what the plugins do is what matters, not the number of plugins

[manic fable]

and if plugins are hurting your server, thats bad code, not the amount of plugins

[inland solar]

so if i have 60 plugins just printing hello to the console thats more than what heavy plugins would usually take up?

[manic fable]

52 plugins

[inland solar]

exactly

[thick crest]

Plugins aren't hurting our server

I didn't even mention plugins

[inland solar]

??????

[smoky zephyr]

Ok skript 🐵

[manic fable]

💀

[thick crest]

So 52 Plugins

[manic fable]

yes

[thick crest]

Custom made or some off spigot

[manic fable]

most from spigot

[inland solar]

some of yours are custom like auroras right

[manic fable]

server is mostly skripted (which is worse for the server)

[manic fable]

i think so

[thick crest]

I dont like skript

[manic fable]

i don't either

[thick crest]

We code on Java

But besides the point

[manic fable]

yes, we'd prefer java but its not really important cause its not that intensive either way

so priority is making server bigger

[thick crest]

We clean up our code so its not spaghetti code, And we have less than 20

Again our code could still cause tps loss

Which is why we are still in beta

[inland solar]

okay

but we do now agree that a single server can handle more than 150 players

correct?

[thick crest]

I said 200

I had 150

with 20 TPS

[inland solar]

💀

[green prawn]

.

[inland solar]

thats crazy tho

[thick crest]

My bad I ment 200 Ik I ment 200

[inland solar]

💀

real

[thick crest]

Atleast I admit my mistakes Byte

[inland solar]

💀 💀

[green prawn]

ive seen many survival servers with over 200 as well

[thick crest]

You too much of an ego to admit I was right about your server being unique

[inland solar]

no i agree my server is unique

thanks

[thick crest]

But we over that point

Ego problem

[inland solar]

????

i just said i agree

my server is unique

you also said it

i agree

[thick crest]

Ok making sure you dont change your words

[inland solar]

okay

[thick crest]

Cause according to you didn't agree with me earlier

[inland solar]

no?

[thick crest]

So lets make sure we stay on topic

[inland solar]

exactly

[inland solar]

idk where hes pulling up these numbers

[inland solar]

yes, then you said we agree

so i said ok

[manic fable]

ye, pretty sure we've hit 200 on lifesteal but i don't think i have screenshots of only lifesteals player count

[inland solar]

which is a sign of agreeing

[inland solar]

yeah lifesteal.minehut.gg

[thick crest]

Im not gona start a war on screenshots

[inland solar]

they hit 200

[thick crest]

I usually give benefit of doubt

[manic fable]

then ye, we've hit 200 on lifesteal

i think we hit like 300 once

and then crashed

from a drdonut stream

but was before i was owner so idk

then server died

[thick crest]

Alright, again since my server went through multiple versions compared to yall

We went from early to now the latest mc version

For example Villager Update

Screwed us

[manic fable]

and hes still in beta

[thick crest]

Well we are new owners

I wanna add my new content

But anyway we went through all of them and up to 1.18 its been trash

Server side performance has sucked

[inland solar]

look at the 1.19 paper update, its great for chunk loading, not sure if your server is restricted or not tho

you can also use multipaper

to scale up to basically infinity

we tested out multipaper and managed to load over 1000 accounts

[thick crest]

We do now use multipaper because we simply couldn't deal with it anymore on performance

[manic fable]

ok

[thick crest]

But single performance sucks either way

My point is multicore should be default

Always should have been

[manic fable]

i mean cpus weren't really good at that back when mc was made

but i still agree with you

[smoky zephyr]

Then dont use a notchian based mc server

[thick crest]

Shut up

Prob dont even run a server to be talking about performance

[inland solar]

lmaooo

[smoky zephyr]

buddy ur server doesnt even work

[smoky zephyr]

and why do i need to run a server to talk about performance

[wicked kayak]

Ngl he’s one of the best developers in this server lol

[verbal patrol]

bro this kid

[versed merlin]

did they really delete the main thread lmfao

[verbal patrol]

its been deleted for ages because all it consisted of was gifs made in 2 seconds

[crude cave]

There is a mod that does multi-thread, but not any official support

[versed merlin]

lmfao

[flint vigil]

#announcements

[proper hamlet]

smh

was going through this tread

that's funny

Dupeblocks doesn't bot lmfao

never has

[low cedar]

not the dupekitz spoofer.jar made by funny person

[proper hamlet]

you can't even spoof on minehut

[low cedar]

anymore

[proper hamlet]

anyways still what's your point

dupekitz isn't dupeblocks

[low cedar]

idk im just goofin around im bored

noone cares anymore

[versed merlin]

I care >:(

[granite pendant]

#1078159190935228456 has been added!

[smoky stag]

+1

[sand iron]

damn this channel will never die

[smoky stag]

lmao

[potent pagoda]

Mine

[smoky stag]

W update

[versed merlin]

shuttap

[manic fable]

Why is it bad

It's not, you just want minehut to fail and file for bankruptcy

[versed merlin]

lmao that’s kinda jumping the gun don’t you think

just assuming that right off the bat

[versed merlin]

if minehut needed the update to stay afloat then they deserve to fail

but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case, and it was just for extra profits

which in that case, it was a scummy move to do

[manic fable]

They lost $7 million in the 3 moths ending in march

[versed merlin]

funny that you antagonize people wanting minehut to shutdown because it fills your pockets

[manic fable]

Lol that was just a joke but you are funny

[versed merlin]

lmao what? had no hint of irony

[manic fable]

How is it scummy to charge for advertising lmfaoo

[versed merlin]

It’s scummy to severely decrease existing ranks’ advertising power and then charge them for a subscription based model if they want that advertising power back

[versed merlin]

where did you get that information lol

[versed merlin]

it’s like, how are you guys going to criticize netflix for cracking down on password sharing to increase subscriptions and profits and then support minehut for essentially doing the same thing but much more straightforward and blatant

[inland solar]

super league? https://ir.superleague.com/financial-information/income-statement

[inland solar]

that worked for netflix actually and it made somewhat sense for them, netflix is doing bad versus their competition

it was a bit depserate but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[versed merlin]

oh tf didn’t know that was public

[inland solar]

they're a publicly traded company so yeah

[versed merlin]

ah that makes sense

[inland solar]

their net loss in Q1 2023 was 7,236,000

[versed merlin]

christ

[versed merlin]

Netflix succeeded because we let them, but if we don’t like the changes we just don’t need to support minehut and then change will have to come

I don’t get why people are still supporting minehut

[inland solar]

I mean I think they have to go the sub rank route, but i still think they could change their implementation a bit still.
But I do understand why they had to go sub based, it makes sense for them

[versed merlin]

yeah, but it’s just sad to see

I want to see support for the update reverted or to boycott the new model because it’s just plain bad from the player standpoint

I don’t get why people think if minehut dies then it’s the end all be all of free hosting and advertising

[void hawk]

technically isn't minehuts profits/losses since thats its only 1 company inside of slg

[inland solar]

yes, but SLGG is still the one running it

and they are the one giving it money

[void hawk]

yea

[inland solar]

if they dont have the money, minehut wont run

[void hawk]

its like saying twitch is making a ton of money becuase amazon is making a ton

[inland solar]

and what minehuts doing is expensive, it aint cheap

[inland solar]

ya

[void hawk]

they're the biggest of the type and ik only 1 other free server host that has a similar lobby

[smoky stag]

Why don’t you like it?

[manic fable]

Well that's superleague, their parent company. They are public.

[manic fable]

I'd think someone who has had 7 patron accounts with the old system would be in a better position to judge if its scummy or not

[copper hinge]

The update is not that bad when I think about it, but it's really unfair to people who had multiple accounts with ranks. OG ranks really should be better since at the end of the day we still payed money for them.

[versed merlin]

that’s because you didn’t pay for those patron accounts out of your own pocket lmao

[manic fable]

you saying minehut just gifted them to me?

or it was my parents?

lol i wish

this guy is just jumping to conclusions lmao

[versed merlin]

I’m saying you bought the ranks with profits from your servers

[versed merlin]

?? you have a list of servers in your about me, it’s not like you’re trying to keep it a secret

[wicked kayak]

guess where the profits from his servers go? his own pocket 🤯

[versed merlin]

what I’m trying to say is that he couldn’t or most likely wouldn’t have bought those ranks without the profits first, which puts him in an inadequate position to judge the change

it doesn’t impact him as much as the greater community

[wicked kayak]

? he still bought ranks how does it matter where he got the money lol

he was still affected by the change

[versed merlin]

yes, but not really?

I’m trying to argue that he’s not in a better position to judge, not that he wasn’t affected at all

[wicked kayak]

still don't know why you think he isn't in a better position to judge

[manic fable]

omg really?

[manic fable]

how does that put me in an inadequate position to judge the change

[smoky stag]

Lmao this dinoeo guy is hilariously contradicting himself

[elder drift]

at this point just re update the vert

[manic fable]

exactly

[versed merlin]

I don’t understand, how am I doing that

[versed merlin]

because you don’t lose as much as most other people who bought ranks, since you can just recoup the losses

the update probably benefitted you because it eliminated much of the competition when advertising

[onyx turret]

I don't particularly care about this debate since its really stupid but the fact he's trying to argue that you're somehow not in a place to judge despite the fact you and him were both equally as effected is so hilarious lol

The denial is real

anyway have fun debating I'm gonna go back to doing my thing

[thorn grove]

i have to say, dumb

[wicked kayak]

??? what the hell u talkin about

[manic fable]

bro what, its 7 patrons, you can't tell me that i didn't lose as much as most people 💀

[versed merlin]

it got rid of some of the clutter

in chat

[versed merlin]

you can’t tell me you didn’t make back the losses almost immediately

or else you wouldn’t have all these servers with mh75 and above

[versed merlin]

they said they were in a better position to judge first which rubbed me the wrong way

[manic fable]

I will tell you that, I didn't make back the losses almost immediately.

and last time I checked, the old patron price was much higher than mh75

and you can't say that I didn't lose as much as most people because I made back the losses. How does it matter where I make the money? I lost hundreds of dollars worth of ranks, that is the dumbest thing I've heard.

[prime widget]

🔎

[versed merlin]

you lost it and made it back, so it didn’t impact you as much as it did other people

that was my argument from the beginning

I don’t understand how it was dumb

[smoky stag]

Anyone else can make a server that makes money I don’t see how the ranks changing is the problem

[versed merlin]

yeah but you need a lot more money to begin with now

[smoky stag]

Not really

[versed merlin]

not to mention that this drives more profit hungry servers

[smoky stag]

Defaults get free ads

[versed merlin]

which in turn results in watered down experiences

[versed merlin]

ten a month iirc now?

it was four a while ago, but ten is still ridiculous

[smoky stag]

Make a free 10 player server, get people interested make some money, upgrade etc

Ads have 0 effect on that

Before the change it was still 10 people max for free servers

[versed merlin]

yea, they do

ads bring a whole lot more traction to your server

trying to say they don’t is just plain wrong

[smoky stag]

Traction sure, you can advertise using other methods besides the minehut ad system

If you’re relying on /ad then you deserve to fail

[versed merlin]

yeah this argument is flawed

[smoky stag]

Not really

[versed merlin]

people always state it

look

[smoky stag]

Everyone has access to the same tools

[versed merlin]

minehut is advertising themselves as a way to reach new players

[smoky stag]

Also are you upset because you can’t make a big server for free?

[versed merlin]

which used to be the case for free, but now you need to pay

[smoky stag]

Yes you need to pay for more, just like you have always had to pay for more ram

I don’t see how this is a problem

Minehut is one of a kind, complaining because you can’t advertise your 10 player server for free is another issue

[versed merlin]

which is a problem, because they explicitly advertise themselves as a free service

[smoky stag]

It is a free service

How is it not free?

You don’t HAVE to pay them anything

[versed merlin]

they are making it less and less friendly to people who don’t pay

[smoky stag]

It’s still free

[versed merlin]

man that’s not the point

[smoky stag]

Less friendly doesn’t matter in this argument

What’s the point then? ☠️☠️

Minehut is still free

[versed merlin]

ight let’s take another example

roblox right

roblox is free

you can make a game on there for free and make money

[smoky stag]

Again, you’re complaining about free ads, if you can’t afford a $5 rank then you can’t afford a better plan than the free plan. Which is another issue

I’ve never played Roblox so I have no clue what you’re talking about

[versed merlin]

it doesn’t really matter in this analogy

[smoky stag]

Roblox ≠ Minehut

[versed merlin]

minehut is becoming more and more like roblox

alright let me finish

okay

[smoky stag]

Minehut is the only Minecraft server that has a hub for your free server

[versed merlin]

it’ll make more sense

[smoky stag]

Why do people complain?

[versed merlin]

because they’re being worse and worse at what they do

[smoky stag]

Because you cant make your 10 player free server as big as direskies?

[versed merlin]

no, because you can’t even get players to stay on your server without paying or using external avenues when minehut is saying you can grow organically only through minehut for free

that’s the problem

and there’s whole lot others with this update lmao

[smoky stag]

You can grow with a free server… they never claimed it would be easy

[versed merlin]

they imply it heavily

[versed merlin]

and also I would argue that you can’t

[smoky stag]

Have you ever tried?

[versed merlin]

mhm

[smoky stag]

I don’t believe you

[versed merlin]

believe what you want, I’m not forcing you

I helped my friend with an original skripted crossy road server

before the update

and it was much much easier to get players on your server

with four or even ten ads, it’s probably hard to get players even on a box server lmfao

active ones atleast

[manic fable]

And the people who have $5 ranks didn't?

[manic fable]

It's easy but not if you are stupid

[manic fable]

Lol what

If you can't get them to stay, your server is bad

[smoky stag]

Real.

[inland solar]

so your argument is that someone bought the ranks and actually used it for their server?

thats crazy though honestly

people actually used the rank to make back money for their investment?

@manic fable bro ur crazy you actually tried to make back on your investment?

omg average so bad

[smoky stag]

dinoeo when people wanna make money on minecraft servers

[warped bridge]

I had a server and it easily reached max players (10) after about an hour of me being online, then, the more I did this, the faster it filled up because players came back, then, I abandoned the server for 3 months and came back and saw that even though it wasn't as active people still played on it quite often, and all of this is with a free server and sometimes 1 ad to get the server started for the day, and I usually didn't use one ad

Of course, you don't want to be wrong so even after everyone gives you decent points your probably still going to argue, so yeah this argument is pretty flawed

[versed merlin]

no, you all aren’t even listening to what I’m trying to say and keep undermining my point

instead of attacking me why can you not have a rational debate?

[versed merlin]

what kind of server did you run?

[versed merlin]

most of them paid more than five dollars and most likely did not make back their investment

[versed merlin]

I’m going to keep arguing not because I want to be ignorant, but because you all aren’t listening lmao

I try to give valid counter arguments but I only get laughed at by the bandwagon and stereotyped ;-;

[versed merlin]

I don’t understand where I ever stated that lol

and that’s not my argument?

it doesn’t even make sense that’s not an argument it’s just a statement

[versed merlin]

alright, explain what you mean by “bad”

[versed merlin]

man don’t speak if you’re just gonna spout insults

[inland solar]

you lost it and made it back, so it didn’t impact you as much as it did other people

they bought the ranks and used it for their server to profit

[versed merlin]

the argument is right there

they made the losses back whereas many other people didn’t, so they weren’t impacted as badly

it doesn’t put them at a greater position to judge if the update was for the better or not if they had seven patron accounts with the old system

[inland solar]

people who didnt use it much were refunded, and that was upto 6 months prior

also he still lost the money

you argument is so flawed

that money would have otherwise gone to him, but he spent it

it was his money, regardless where he got it from

such a weirdass argument honestly

[versed merlin]

I don’t get it

[versed merlin]

I doubt many people got that refund

how did they define “use”

[inland solar]

last 6 months

ppl in the last month who got it got fully refunded

then the percent went lower and lower

im pretty sure people 6 months ago got like 30% or something idk

[inland solar]

im sorry but i dont understand where you are coming from

[versed merlin]

oh that’s cool

[versed merlin]

I’m trying to see it from your perspective but I just don’t understand

[inland solar]

if a buisness buys a expensive product to better itself, how does that make it that they arent affected by buying a expensive product?

they took a risk buying it

it may not have helped that much

but they bought it anyway

and that for sure was a risk on their part and they were for sure affected by it

[versed merlin]

hm

[warped bridge]

A random item every 10 seconds (no duping though) void survival, it also had quite a lot of custom features, it wasn't as easy as it sounds to create

Also I don't consider this conversation very productive either so it's probably better if we all stop talking

[versed merlin]

alright

[versed merlin]

you're right

[inland solar]

glad i was able to change your perspective

[low cedar]

oml let this thread die already noone cares

[manic fable]

Give me one logical reason why people are leaving your server if the server is good

[manic fable]

No, most of them have VIP. Even if they earn $5 pocket money per week, 99% of people would've made their money back.

[versed merlin]

I meant money from their server

but anyways I already admitted I was wrong

sorry for dragging that on for so long

[manic fable]

Ok now change your nick

[granite pendant]

ye.

[potent pagoda]

Revert

[manic fable]

why

[potent pagoda]

Um tbh

Idk

[manic fable]

then shut up

[torn pecan]

[potent pagoda]

No

I have a reason now

It's too expensive for ranks

[manic fable]

it was previously $500

[potent pagoda]

For one time

[inland solar]

And

[potent pagoda]

Shush

You crashed servers for your own benefit

[inland solar]

???

[potent pagoda]

You have no reason to talk

[inland solar]

💀

[potent pagoda]

Bl45?

Uh oh!!

Ooo

Someone's quiet now 🤫

💀

[inland solar]

?

[potent pagoda]

Ain't you abuse on it

[inland solar]

Bro i had something to do in my life fr I got quiet 💀

[inland solar]

What’s bl45

[potent pagoda]

BOXLIFE45

??

[inland solar]

Oh

Buddy I was staff on that lmao

When did I abuse

[potent pagoda]

Yeah

When you got demoted for abuse??? 💀💀

[inland solar]

I literally resigned later for BoxPvPv and boxlet

No???

Boxlet is dead now but BoxPvPv is obviously going good

Bros a lil obsessed with me not gonna lie

[potent pagoda]

Alright bud 💀

[inland solar]

And regardless this is better for everyone

[potent pagoda]

How

[inland solar]

It’s easier to enter minehut?

[potent pagoda]

Oh wait it wasn't you

Never mind my bad

It was the other pvpv owner

[inland solar]

what

None of the other owners were staff on bl45

[potent pagoda]

No im aware

They did things to it though

No doubt

[inland solar]

Toon literally helped kes with boxpvpv when it was starting out and did even later…
But anyways this is a bit off topic for this

[inland solar]

^ this is why it’s good

[potent pagoda]

Toon left the server didn't he

[potent pagoda]

How

??

[potent pagoda]

He left it to someone else I think sown

[inland solar]

It’s easier to enter minehut

[potent pagoda]

After that sown gave it to galaxyflight and that was abt the end of the server

[potent pagoda]

Okay 👍

[inland solar]

So you agree?

[potent pagoda]

Uh

Sure!

[clear reef]

Awokens what are you on pluh

[elder drift]

byteskript why haven’t you changed your pfp from your Christmas one