Moderation Update Feedback

[summer thorn]

Use this thread to give feedback on the recent changes to moderation on Minehut.

[boreal willow]

hmm

[dapper atlas]

Hi

[inland halo]

don't false ban for auto ad.

[dapper atlas]

allow auto ad <3

[inland halo]

WRD

[dapper atlas]

allow auto ad + 80% sale

= money

[fossil halo]

no

[dapper atlas]

then just nerf the ranks again afterwards ez money

[inland halo]

at this point, allow it. There's people who blatantly auto ad but don't get banned. People have reported blatant auto ad and they don't get punished because it's not "vaild", meanwhile, People who ad legitly with patron accounts get banned for auto ad and it becomes a pain when appealing.

[dapper atlas]

mhm would also free up alot of staff time

and as a bonus makes minehut extra money on rank sales

[inland halo]

^

[sage cargo]

This!

[dapper atlas]

bad update cant chat on older versions

:(

[sage cargo]

You’re gonna get false bans in there no matter what you do. And that sucks for the people who spend 600$ on ranks

It’s already hard enough to tell auto adders from someone who is just online a lot or tabbed out

[inland halo]

From what i've heard, you gotta record yourself ading to even get a chance to get unbanned when you do get false banned.

I can name so many fing accounts blatantly auto ading (with the owner admitting as well) that the minehut staff don't seem to give a sh!!!!!t about.

[sage cargo]

Mhm and I don’t do that my pc can’t handle the latest version of minecraft with other processes sadly

[inland halo]

Use console client

[sage cargo]

Console client?

[boreal willow]

unless they admit on minehut channels, they can't really do anything

[boreal willow]

not allowed

[sage cargo]

I’ve been looking into getting bedrock

[inland halo]

so many people do it

tell me, where it says its not allowed, cuz I swore they said it was fine

[boreal willow]

you should already have it if you have java

[dapper atlas]

all a console client does is means we dont have to kill our pcs to have multiple tabs open

[sage cargo]

Really? Where can I get it?

[boreal willow]

I mean there isn't a way to detect it other than seeing people not move but ya

[inland halo]

^

[dapper atlas]

console client has no advantage...

[inland halo]

i'll dm u it

[boreal willow]

if you have your java account migrated, just go to the microsoft store and download it from there

[inland halo]

^

for console client, i dmed

its what I use all the time

32GB of ram gets me only so far with lunar

[boreal willow]

[inland halo]

anyways, adding onto this, allow console clients, they don't even give a real advantage over regular vanilla clients. Literally so pointless as to why they are "banned".

[boreal willow]

before the rule rewrite, the rules said that to advertise, you need to type it on out a minecraft client and no bots or console and stuff. but they removed a lot of things during the rewrite which are still enforced

[inland halo]

so its allowed/

?*

im confused

[boreal willow]

its not

during the rule rewrite, they just forgot to add some stuff back but its still enforced

[inland halo]

"remove a lot of things during the re-write but they are still enforced" tf?

ahh

gotcha

[boreal willow]

ya they just forgot to add it back

also some of the current rules aren't phrased well. cause technically it says that you can grief a server without permission if they have some way to undo it

[inland halo]

time to grief jailgens /j

[boreal willow]

does not have the means to undo

so if they have a way to undo it, its saying its technically allowed lol

[dapper atlas]

Back to the point - why do i gotta be on newest version to chat ;/

[umbral zealot]

What are the moderation changes?

[stuck yoke]

so is griefing allowed 🙏?

[umbral zealot]

why would griefing be allowed?

[stuck yoke]

😢

[dapper atlas]

Enforcing chat signing needs to be turned off

Many of us don't like using 1.19.2

and some people simply cant run it

[boreal willow]

Wrong chat

[dapper atlas]

??

[stuck yoke]

it is turned off?

[dapper atlas]

no its not

you cant chat unless in 1.19.2

which is due to the chat signing

[stuck yoke]

oh

yeah no

[iron valve]

banning people who abuse the ads system is great

also people who spam it and aren't using an unfair advantage is bad but not the worst thing imo

[stuck yoke]

1.19.2 and banning people who abuse ads have nothing in common

[ashen oasis]

Forcing people to use 1.19.2 is awful.

[zinc creek]

i don't really see how it's bad

[ashen oasis]

If you're running a server which is not 1.19.2, it is.

Imagine having to switch the version constantly just for doing ads.

[zinc creek]

viaversion is installed by default

i can log on my 1.17 server on 1.19 just fine

[ashen oasis]

You really think most of the players pvp on 1.19?

It's 1.8 instead.

[zinc creek]

viaversion works with 1.8 pvp

[iron valve]

i wrote that before the announcement

[ashen oasis]

Oof, but no one is playing on 1.19 when pvping.

[iron valve]

i said it based off of what people has said before

[ashen oasis]

No matter if it works or not.

1.19 is just not the version to pvp on

[zinc creek]

if you're pvping you aren't gonna be ading at the same time lol

[ashen oasis]

You clearly don't get it

[zinc creek]

guess i dont

[iron valve]

also in my opinion minehut should remove the requirement for viaversion now that players must log on to the lobby with 1.19.2

[zinc creek]

it's not log on

just chat or ad

[ashen oasis]

And that's what I mean, you aren't allowed to advertise with lower versions. This is a big issue for servers that are running on lower versions and therefore for most players either. I've got a kitpvp server, most of the players are using 1.8 for sure - me either. That means, neither my players nor me can advertise anylonger without having changed the version

[leaden egret]

Question: will we be able to message people still, even if we're not on 1.19?

[iron valve]

isn't that what the announcement says?

[zinc creek]

the announcement says chat or ad

This means that in order to chat or /ad in the lobby, your Minecraft client will need to be 1.19.2 or newer.

[iron valve]

oh i see

they did?

oh that

[zinc creek]

lol

[iron valve]

but you can still use your own resource packs lol

[zinc creek]

thats just a bug then

it's not a paid feature or anything

if you pay it'll still overwrite it

did support say that

[fallow anvil]

This is the most disappointed I have ever been in Minehut. I swear y'all are actively trying to make me go somewhere else. I have been a member of this community for 3 years, made 2 cool servers, and made countless friends. I seriously pray for everyone who made these decisions to find the truth and revert these missteps. Until then, I will have to give serious consideration to alternatives that exist.

[zinc creek]

damn wtf thats kinda bs

[zinc creek]

what did they do to make you that mad lol

well i just uploaded one on my free server so

[umbral zealot]

oh no whatever will they do with 1 lost customer

[fallow anvil]

Mandatory requirement to use 1.19.2 to chat, forcing me to be vulnerable to chat reporting exploits. They also did the stupid resource pack which is annoying but doesn't endanger me at least.

[zinc creek]

chat reporting exploits are fixed

[boreal willow]

you should be able to just delete the plugin and start it. but you would have to do that everytime it hibernates

someone said it worked for them

[chrome patrol]

please revert this update

[zinc creek]

Why lol

[umbral zealot]

There's no use in saying things like "Revert it" or "bad update" if you're not going to give (constructive) feedback about it

[chrome patrol]

cause now no one not on 1.19.2 can chat

and I will never feel safe chatting in the lobby again, with the threat of losing my account I spent 20$ on

that a good enough reason for you?

[boreal willow]

just don't say bad stuff

you aren't randomly gonna get banned for normally talking

[fallow anvil]

That assumes that the only exploits are the disclosed ones. I have many other reasons for my hatred of the system. Firstly, this system enforces rules that Minehut never enforced before. For example, "misinformation" should not be bannable. But Microsoft said so, therefore BAN.

[chrome patrol]

"just dont say bad stuff" ever heard of context? and the fact that mojang microsoft only gets 10 lines of it?

[umbral zealot]

one reason to revert the entire update (where there are also other big changes)

[zinc creek]

This just the exact same as playing on a regular 1.19 server lol

[boreal willow]

misinformation is bannable on Minehut too

[fallow anvil]

I would never play on a regular 1.19 server

[chrome patrol]

oh I'm fine with the discord changes

[chrome patrol]

No it isn't, chat reporting is disabled on servers

[fallow anvil]

I'm referring to the original rules, not the stupid ones enacted in July of this year. Back when Minehut used to care about the freedom of individuals over collectivist safety.

[umbral zealot]

Waited a long time to say that about the July rules lol
Minehut has grown so massively, it's getting harder to moderate them. The new rules make a lot of sense and are needed. I'm not too big of a fan of the 1.19.2 in the lobbies deal, but it's not that big of an issue since you can just log out, login on 1.19.2, /ad, then switch to the version you wanna use.

It's impossible to maintain "freedom of individuals" while having "collectivist safety", so they have to sacrifice one for the other, partly or wholly.

[summer thorn]

so to be clear, you're upset that you might be banned for spreading misinformation?

[chrome patrol]

Id still feel a bit uneasy about /ad ing, but it would be pretty hard to manipulate context on someone's /join

But this update is still lame, i dont wanna have to switch versions just to talk, and this also kills normal lobby conversations, for fear of getting banned from all of minecraft

[fallow anvil]

I don't want to be beholden to Microsoft's definition of misinformation. I don't trust a single Microsoft employee to be honest nor fair.

[summer thorn]

i understand. why not?

why would you trust us but not them?

[chrome patrol]

trent because getting banned on minehut isnt as bad as getting banned from every server. You have the full right to moderate minehut, not elsewhere

[summer thorn]

we're not moderating everywhere, msft is

and only if you're reported. and their team handling it is solid imo

and only for really bad things

[ashen oasis]

Well, I think having to switch the version constantly is annoying as hell...

[chrome patrol]

and you are enabling microsoft to moderate everywhere

[ashen oasis]

Especially the newer ones..

[zinc creek]

Have 2 instances

[zinc creek]

It’s their game

[chrome patrol]

and again, you are putting a lot of trust in them, trust that I am unwilling to give after recent events

[fallow anvil]

Minehut is a smaller entity which is directly reliant on consumers at a far more local level. A community backlash here is far more likely to be heard and understood. Microsoft is a large entity that has demonstrated time and time again that they do not care about freedom, privacy, nor fairness.

[summer thorn]

which recent events? i'm a bit biased because i've talked to them directly

[ashen oasis]

For sure, not like the new versions are litteraly the worst optimized ever.

[summer thorn]

i feel good about how they're handling it. i haven't seen any bad bans by th em

[zinc creek]

Just don’t chat in lobbies if you’re worried about getting banned

[fallow anvil]

That's the unfortunate solution I will have to do now

[twin venture]

this is a good update 👍

[umbral zealot]

I'm v happy with vcs being removed

[chrome patrol]

Well, lots of things. For one the community has had insane outrage over this system. Even if you like it you cant ignore the fact that microsoft has forced this upon us despite the backlash. They failed to communicate anything about the system as well, and they have never listened to player feedback on the system

[summer thorn]

all outrage based on misinfo. none of it is substantiated.

[chrome patrol]

examples?

[zinc creek]

They communicated about it well imo

[summer thorn]

i can't prove a negative

[pine light]

while the microsoft moderators might do their job correctly i think the exploits with 1.19.2 are still a very big problem
(except if they somehow fixed the exploits but if im not mistaken gaslight and the other things still work to a dangerous extend)

[summer thorn]

can you prove any legit bad examples?

[boreal willow]

they have listened to feedback. after releasing the original update, they changed some stuff such as the rules

[zinc creek]

Gaslight was patched iirc

[fallow anvil]

Gaslight V3 is still real

[chrome patrol]

Well many youtubers have suggested this system be opt in, so servers could opt in to the global ban system and reporting, so they dont have to moderate. This would make players get banned from all opt in servers, but not from minecraft. This suggestion was ignored

[zinc creek]

Looking at the GitHub it seems like it’s server side

[summer thorn]

there's not a way to exploit our setup (afaik of course). we're aware of the exploits out there and have made sure they won't work on mh

[chrome patrol]

They also removed posts from r/minecraft complaining about the reporting system, which just further proves their unwillingness to listen to the community

[green echo]

Another server in Minecraft chat reportings clutches 😔

[fallow anvil]

It is server-side but the existance of a powerful exploit would prevent moderation action

[zinc creek]

Thats not mojang

[chrome patrol]

Its an official subreddit?

[fallow anvil]

That's just r/Minecraft being the worst subreddit

[zinc creek]

If it’s server side why are you worried

[zinc creek]

The mods aren’t affiliated with mojang

Minecraft subreddit mods suck

[fallow anvil]

I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to these exploits. The ability to mod clients presents interesting opportunities to try to break the system.

[chrome patrol]

Hmm well i guess i dont know too much about their reddit lol

Well anyways, look at any poll, the majority of people do not like this system. You would think they wouldn't add it, or make significant changes right? That's how you listen to feedback. Not making minor changes to avoid a complete disaster and pushing it anyways.

[zinc creek]

Well that applies for all of Minecraft 1.19 servers then, just don’t chat if you’re really worried about it

[summer thorn]

yeah i mean i get it, they don't like it because a lot of big creators are spreading misinfo. we're doing it so we can shift away from needing a paid mod team. none of the things that people have been saying will happen have happened

[zinc creek]

This is just a minecraft chat reporting discussion now instead of actual minehut issues

[summer thorn]

i mean it's fair, it's part of the update

[fallow anvil]

Y'all never needed a paid mod team. The volunteer mod team was some of the best people I've ever met here and were fair in decisions.

[chrome patrol]

well this update is centered around chat reporting yea

[charred bison]

people don’t like this system because they’re heavily misinformed

[summer thorn]

yeah unfortunately it's a legal liablity thing, not that they didn't do a good job

if there are legit issues with the system we will definitely address with microsoft

[fallow anvil]

Who gonna sue you if you don't moderate?

It's probably DHS or the EU coming in to ruin things for everyone like always

[chrome patrol]

You guys cant just call the other side "misinformed" and proceed to ignore every complaint about the system. Even if the moderation team was a set of perfect super ais that always made the correct decision, and even if microsoft could become omnipresent and find every ounce of context around a report, the fundamental problem is our servers are ours. If someone does something on another server, there is almost never a justification for them to be banned from every other server. Communities are different, people are different.

[summer thorn]

can you point to a legit complaint that's played out as an issue?

[boreal willow]

its not cause of that. its cause they were "representing" the company but not under any contract so if they do anything bad, it looks bad

[summer thorn]

not just "everyone thinks it's bad" = it's bad

[summer thorn]

we're also not requiring it on player servers, only in our lobbies

[chrome patrol]

well I haven't looked into any bans yet lol

[fallow anvil]

I will agree that many chat report opposers are misinformed by clickbait. However, my opposition to chat reporting is based on a disdain for central authority on the internet, not videos with thumbnails showing Microsoft logos on fire saying the game will die.

[chrome patrol]

yes and thanks for that, but this still is a step in the wrong direction imo

[summer thorn]

i understand. in this case it's the owner of the game making sure the platform they built is safe

[summer thorn]

i hear you, i of course disagree 🙂 if you have any examples of issues with the system, i'm happy to address them with msft

[fallow anvil]

I thought the legal liability was from not moderating. Still, is it not possible to have a contract with volunteers?

[summer thorn]

then we deal with employment law issues

[pine light]

but because you require it in your lobbies, players of smaller servers will have to use 1.19.2 to start it up and change back to older versions within 5 minutes which might not be possible for some people

wait thats false

[summer thorn]

only if they want to /ad. and most players on mh are on 1.19.2 already anyway

[boreal willow]

think all other commands still work, just not ad and chatting

[pine light]

just realised

[fallow anvil]

I just checked and the pvp server I play on is down 50% on players compared to normal at this time. This suggests that at least for this day, this update has had a negative effect on player count. However, this is not indicative of the future. People might adapt or they may have just left Minehut forever. Or maybe there is another variable involved in this.

[summer thorn]

maybe because we just did some proxy reboots?

[chrome patrol]

Eh I dont think this update will hurt minehut that much

[summer thorn]

kicked a lot of people

[chrome patrol]

Just less lobby chat due to fear and annoying version switch

[fallow anvil]

The proxy reboots were 3 hours ago right? Based on the previous times this has happened, player count usually recovered to 80% of prior level after 3 hours.

[summer thorn]

ah not sure, we had a drop about 40m ago

[boreal willow]

Minehut does have 2k less players than usual due to 3 restarts

[fallow anvil]

I will collect data over the course of many days. Unfortunately, I never thought to collect data on average chat messages per minute so I can't compare that. I honestly never thought the dark cloud of chat reporting would pass over Minehut.

[summer thorn]

it's only a dark cloud if you think it is 🙂 i wouldn't trust all the stuff people have been posting about it, a lot of it has been just spreading misinfo

if you find any legit cases of people being false banned by msft, let me know

[hard oasis]

rip VCs 😔

didn't even use them but it's sad to see them go

[summer thorn]

f

[chrome patrol]

hey trent since you are close with mojang im wondering if they've even started banning people on servers yet? Ive looked for cases of bans, and all I've found is a realms ban, which was later removed for being dumb lol

[fallow anvil]

I know its' a dark cloud. It's part of a dark future where all speech is monitore. Also, my rank is now pointless.

[hard oasis]

close with mojang?

wdym

[fallow anvil]

People have been banned on Realms but there have been no confirmed server bans.

[chrome patrol]

so how are we supposed to find examples of false bans if there arent any bans yet XD

[summer thorn]

we've been watching and filtering your chat the entire time 🙂

[chrome patrol]

trent said hes been talking with mojang

[fallow anvil]

Mojang is either being extremely conservative with the bans at the moment or only banning on Realms.

[hard oasis]

oh okay

[summer thorn]

or maybe it's all misinfo 😅

[chrome patrol]

honestly if they haven't banned people yet theres hope. Maybe they only put this system in to satisfy parents and the higher ups, but wont actually use it?

[fallow anvil]

If I get banned from discord, I'm not out $26.

[fallow anvil]

People have been banned on Realms since Realms are actively monitored. I think that they haven't done any bans on regular servers because they know Gaslight V3 when used by a server owner can create false reports.

[summer thorn]

not on mh

[fallow anvil]

not yet

[chrome patrol]

Ah right i forgot about gaslight v3, well then i guess thats our best defense to prevent them from ever banning

[twin venture]

not sure if i'm the only one, but when i touch the lobby and then chat in a server i get kicked for chat message validation failure 😬 or if i messed up something in my setup

[summer thorn]

yeah we're looking into it

[twin venture]

ah ok

[fallow anvil]

That's the only real hope for us opposition people. If the system is eternally exploited, then it eternally will be inactionable.

[summer thorn]

you're opposed because it's exploitable so you're going to exploit it so it won't get used..?

also it's not exploitable (afaik) on mh

the public exploits won't work

[chrome patrol]

Im not opposed only because its exploitable

[fallow anvil]

I'm opposed to central moderation of anything by Microsoft.

[chrome patrol]

this ^

[proud belfry]

If moderation is the issue with public VCs, Hypixel has solved this issue through linking Minecraft account to Discord account, as well as disabling screen share. Not sure how many people would actually use VCs after this barrier, just an idea.

[summer thorn]

we still can't monitor the voice chat itself, which is the problem

and like others have said, very few people used it

i was definitely a fan, i used it

[chrome patrol]

wait I'm not very knowledgeable on legal stuff, but could you not just slap a "THIS IS NOT MEANT FOR KIDS VC" and call it a day?

[summer thorn]

no

[chrome patrol]

like discord does that by forcing you to be 13+

[small needle]

there's no easy way to enforce that

[pine light]

some poeple are still under 13 tho

[chrome patrol]

fair

[fallow anvil]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

This is the way I think about the world. People ought to accept risk to enjoy happiness.

[chrome patrol]

wait, does no chat reports work in the lobby? Or is enfore secure profile enabled? Also can bedrock players even chat now

[boreal willow]

you can't talk on servers that have it enabled if you use that mod

[chrome patrol]

yes I know, im wondering if the minehut lobby has it enabled

[fallow anvil]

Probably does

[chrome patrol]

and if I remember correctly, the original reason minehut disabled chat reporting was because it broke bedrock compatibility, most likely due to the lack of chat signatures or something. So either they fixed it, or bedrock players cant chat in the lobby

[fallow anvil]

Bedrock players not being able to chat is a small sacrifice for temporary profit margin increase

[chrome patrol]

Dont you mean a temporary +1 microsoft social credit?

[summer thorn]

actually can you give me steps to reproduce and then give me your server name it happens on

[umbral zealot]

They had so much internal drama that it leaked out to the rest of MH, it was terrible
There are some good people, but that’s just it, good people. It didn’t translate well when it came to moderating

[twin venture]

joining directly causes no issue but joining through the lobby, or moving to the lobby and back makes it kick me after chatting in the server (which is external, proxy is europarks)

[fallow anvil]

Also that

[chrome patrol]

I just read another thread, it seems bedrock players can't chat at all. F

[zealous cliff]

The update seems good but I’m gonna miss the Vcs i completely understand why they are removed though.

[summer thorn]

haha yeah if you hung out in them at all, you know they can be toxic 💀

[upper edge]

so that people can report u

Is that just the main lpbby

lobby*

[ashen oasis]

Actually, I was thinking about doing ads on mobile as it wouldn’t require me to change the version. However, whenever I do so, I keep getting kicked from the lobby for „Chat package received with missing or invalid signature.“

[ashen oasis]

yes

[charred bison]

maybe whatever app you're using doesn't support chat signing

[ashen oasis]

Hmm, possible.

[summer thorn]

unfortunately bedrock can't chat in lobbies because they don't have chat signatures :\

[ashen oasis]

Nah, I was trying to use ChatCraft. Probably doesn’t work though. :/

[summer thorn]

oh, not sure tbh

[upper edge]

bedrock has skill issue so they dont have them
maybe add a feature so if they are bedrock (with the same thing u use to detect bedrock players and add a dot in front of ur username) they can chat no matter what

[summer thorn]

it just doesn't work with chat signing unfortunately

[upper edge]

oh

[boreal willow]

You should atleast disable chat signing in the captcha lobbies so people don’t have to change versions just to complete it

[summer thorn]

yeah we are

[boreal willow]

ok

[stuck yoke]

so the update did
A) You must be on 1.19.2(many people dont because of performence issues)
D) You cannot use bedrock to chat
C) Was forced by microsoft to add these horrible changes
Hmmm great update

[summer thorn]

we weren't forced by msft

[hard oasis]

microsoft isnt forcing anything

[stuck yoke]

:/ they still had a hand in it

[hard oasis]

not really

[boreal willow]

how so

[golden geyser]

they should make a /report that sends a report to microsoft so that you can still chat on bedrock and lower than 1.19.2 on java

[boreal willow]

there isn't a way to do that

since those messages wouldn't me signed

#announcements explains it

there is more than that

[summer thorn]

we wanted to not have to have a 24/7 outsourced paid staff team, so we had to take some steps to make that work

[stuck yoke]

I can see that having a 24/7 staff team is kinda wack but making atleast 25% of your playerbase not able to talk in public lobbies ruins the community(more then it already was)

[hard oasis]

its wayyy less than 25%

[summer thorn]

it's a bit less than 25% but yeah i feel you, definitely a tradeoff we knew we were making

we unfortunately didn't have another option that would work

[iron valve]

yeah could you share the stats on how many people were playing in which versions?

that would be awesome

[stuck yoke]

^

[hard oasis]

i think the main negative of this is just having to use 1.19.2 to talk in chat

[summer thorn]

i believe around 80% use latest at any given moment

what's the error?

[stuck yoke]

from people ive met most of us are on 1.16.4 1.18.2, 1.19

[hard oasis]

1.16.4???

[boreal willow]

there are many people that don't even know how to add a different older version to use and just use what their client says the latest is

[hard oasis]

why would you use that

[umbral zealot]

from people you've met, that can be a small population and wouldn't really be that relevant when it comes to the entire network

[summer thorn]

yeah that's most people from what i've seen

this discord skews toward more savvy mc players and server owners, so of course they'll think that most people play on older versions and know how to switch

[stuck yoke]

1.19 drops my fps hard

[hard oasis]

i think most people that dont use the latest version use 1.18.2 or 1.19

[summer thorn]

only like 1% of our userbase is in discord

[stuck yoke]

I dont think im ever gonna support this change 🤷

[boreal willow]

its just an update that everyone will get used to overtime just like all the other updates Minehut has released but users didn't like

[stuck yoke]

wait

what is the point of /ad being locked by 1.19.2?

from what i know the client takes o r g i n a l chat messages as "context" not whatever ad messages would be so /ad wouldnt be reportable?

[hard oasis]

you can be chat reported in 1.19- tho

[summer thorn]

ad is reportable

[stuck yoke]

how tf did u do that without modifying the signaute/voiding it

[boreal willow]

FiXed use his magic skills

[hard oasis]

all messages with custom formats are

still reportable tho

[boreal willow]

this is what it looks like btw

[boreal willow]

it shows modified but clicking it reports the unmodified message

99.9% of the current ad messages can't even be taken out of context

no ones gonna report "NEW GEN BOX SKY MINING SERVER JOIN NOW"

and nothing will happen with it if it does

[hard oasis]

bro you are acting like people just report everything

it takes time to report something and it's 99.99% of the time gonna get ignored cause it doesnt make sense

[summer thorn]

doesn't mean msft is going to take action

[hard oasis]

youre really overreacting about this lol

[stuck yoke]

actually msft will...against the sender

[umbral zealot]

"special" people? What does that mean?

[hard oasis]

obviously cause everyone with adhd just reports messages 24/7

[umbral zealot]

I'm just asking what you meant by " 'special' people"

[hard oasis]

bro

[umbral zealot]

hmk

[hard oasis]

"JOIN MY BOX SERVER" starts crying

no one is going to do that

[boreal willow]

the only messages that I will report are ones that call me a nerd

[hard oasis]

just dont say a slur or anything discrimitory and you should be good

[hard oasis]

so valid

its impossible to not say a slur??

go to therapy

[umbral zealot]

that's entirely on you :l

[hard oasis]

fr

get a therapist

okay

[stuck yoke]

what if you accidently send a death threat

[hard oasis]

alright

[hard oasis]

"accidentally"

[stuck yoke]

i did once though

[hard oasis]

bro they have context 💀

• you can just appeal it

also that person would have to report you which they likely arent going to

unless its a serious threat

[stuck yoke]

also is swearing allowed now?

[hard oasis]

yes

[stuck yoke]

cuz msft dont care

[hard oasis]

its been allowed for months

[umbral zealot]

..what

[stuck yoke]

no...?

[umbral zealot]

It hasn't been allowed

[hard oasis]

not on mojang tho

[stuck yoke]

minehut has never allowed swearing

[hard oasis]

i mean minehut

i meant with chat reporting

there used to be a no swearing chat reporting rule

bro 💀

[boreal willow]

the only place you can swear on Minehut is in player servers

[stuck yoke]

what will mh do though?

cry to msft that a kid said a swear?

[boreal willow]

?

[stuck yoke]

so what is the point of chat reporting then?

if their gonna moderate anyways

[umbral zealot]

for the worse people?

[boreal willow]

to make stuff easier

[stuck yoke]

"easier" is not worth it to implement chat reporting

[hard oasis]

they have a chat filter

💀

[stuck yoke]

bypass the chat filter ez

[hard oasis]

okay then if a staff sees it they'll just mute you

but they cant have mods on 24/7 moderating chat

[boreal willow]

just say really bad word without the spaces

[hard oasis]

fr

[summer thorn]

we have logs of all chat

[raven forge]

if someone starts spam botting the lobbies, you could report it to mojang

[hard oasis]

oh right

that too

[stuck yoke]

if you want to go in with chat reporting go with it. If you want mods go with it. dont have a middle man thing going

[umbral zealot]

You can have both at once, DINO

It isn't strictly a one or the other

[hard oasis]

fr

[boreal willow]

do you guys log external server chats yet

[umbral zealot]

I'm getting the vibe that a lot of people don't actually understand that Minehut isn't going to rely strictly on Microsoft reporting

[hard oasis]

frrr

[boreal willow]

they just want to say their slurs

[umbral zealot]

lmao yea

[hard oasis]

lol

[summer thorn]

no we don't really have a way to

[boreal willow]

could you not do it on a proxy level?

[hard oasis]

minehut users when they cant say slurs anymore 😠

ong

yeah cause i know youre joking lol

ive heard people say stuff like that and be serious about it

not even joking

[summer thorn]

actually sounds like we could, we'll get that updated soon

[boreal willow]

hmm ok

[stuck yoke]

also who tf reports the messages in the first place

[hard oasis]

i would only do it if someone like actually said smth super offensive

[boreal willow]

to enforce the only chat rule minehut enforces on player servers which is slurs/discrimination

[hard oasis]

fr

now you can chat report them :O (if you have it enabled)

idk if its enabled by default or not

havent joined a player server yet

pretty sure player servers can enable it tho

oh right

1.19.1+ actually

all they need to do is remove the addons tab and all their sins will be forgiven

[golden geyser]

or fix the addons tab

[raven forge]

what should we replace it with then?

[hard oasis]

idk something better ig

[raven forge]

i know aternos has a addons panel that gets updated from spigotmc and bukkitdev, would that be cool?

[hard oasis]

im kidding lol

yeah

the addons tab gets really outdated

• its pretty annoying to use

[golden geyser]

i liked it more when you can just press install and it installs, i dont like the new system where you have to buy it for free from the shop, then install it

[hard oasis]

i feel like a big list would be better

also being able to enable auto-updating plugins or smth would be cool

[golden geyser]

if the addon cost money then you should have to get it from the shop but if are getting something free, you should just be able to install it with no buying from the shop

[boreal willow]

have you seen Santio's panel? thats what his does

[hard oasis]

i feel like having just a plugins tab would be better

[raven forge]

oh i haven't seen it

[hard oasis]

having it auto update from spigot + having it be a big list instead of a few giant icons with like 1000 pages

[boreal willow]

let me send an image one sec

[summer thorn]

rip image perms

[hard oasis]

rip

[boreal willow]

retired role has image perms

[summer thorn]

O_O

ok please don't abuse it

[boreal willow]

ya they've always had it and no one has abused it

[boreal willow]

ok the images of it are in #coding which is now archived so I can't get it anymore

@green geyser you want to share it?

[hard oasis]

from what ive seen its really cool

id love for the minehut file manager to be more like it

the file manager is so thin, so much of the page is unused

[raven forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660337933743816724/995064986537836624/chrome_21nzSp0HWO.gif

[boreal willow]

ya

[hard oasis]

i love that

[green geyser]

Sure I'll send some from the sneakpeck channel rq

[boreal willow]

also this is Santio's file manager which is also cool

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020010105405710386/1026344639046893638/chrome_01Lbqi35x3.gif

[hard oasis]

thats so much better than the addons tab fr

[hard oasis]

the current mh website is pretty bad to use imo

[green geyser]

That is ftp support, it also has subusers

[stuck yoke]

that doesnt match mh's style

[hard oasis]

subusers 🤩

[hard oasis]

WHO CARES ITS WONDERFUL

[raven forge]

how does ftp support work?

[green geyser]

It's technically a generic plugin not specific to minehut, so hopefully if it gets going you'll be able to use it wherever

[boreal willow]

everything works through web sockets

[green geyser]

I fake a file system with my api using my websocket for communication

[raven forge]

lol wait we could totally make this a specific forum post

this is starting to go offtopic

[boreal willow]

yes

[raven forge]

ooooo

[hard oasis]

fr

i love web development even though i have no idea how it works

its just so cool

[boreal willow]

I remember an admin saying ftp wouldn't really be possible on Minehut. couldn't they just do what Santio is doing too

[hard oasis]

can ftp be abused in any way?

[green geyser]

Minehuts infrastructure is much more complex and WAY larger than what I'm doing, it's not impossible for them but difficult

[boreal willow]

file transfer protocol

[iron valve]

santio is too op, needs fixing

[boreal willow]

hmm ya

[green geyser]

Shouldn't be, I know who's accessing the server so I can assign proper permissions later, but like Benny said this is kinda off topic so ima stop talking about it here

[boreal willow]

ya

[hard oasis]

we can make a #1029833906637242428 thread

[obtuse inlet]

what constitutes as really bad things? would be saying things like the f word (not the homophobic one) get you banned? considering this platform is for people 13+ profanity would be allowed now right?

[hard oasis]

no

[boreal willow]

it would get you muted from Minehut, but not Minecraft

[obtuse inlet]

where is that

[hard oasis]

cause swearing isnt against the microsoft chat reporting rules

[boreal willow]

where is what

[obtuse inlet]

didnt they just say minehut isnt moderating their own chat but theyre making microsoft do it?

[obtuse inlet]

the rules

[boreal willow]

no?

they are still moderating their chats

[obtuse inlet]

didnt they say they were disbanding their paid mod team>

[boreal willow]

the admins and support team are gonna be doing moderating now

and they just enabled the reporting stuff to make it easier on them and stuff

[obtuse inlet]

ah okay

where the mods getting paid actual wages?

[boreal willow]

yes why wouldn't they

[boreal willow]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/community-standards

[obtuse inlet]

no one takes moderating a discord server seriously 🤣

[boreal willow]

its a decent job for some people

[obtuse inlet]

its a easay one

people do it for free

[boreal willow]

not really

on the outside it may seem easy but there are many things going on internally

[obtuse inlet]

wow, those are some of the most broad rules ive ever seen

Treat other community members with respect. This is core to everything we believe in. When you express your opinions, please do so politely and respectfully.

[drowsy flower]

yepppp

[hard oasis]

i think the text editor could be better

its so thin

id like for it to be wider

[stuck yoke]

i dont know why they would allow chat reporting if they are gonna moderate.

[boreal willow]

to make it easier since they may not always be there

[flat flax]

You don't really need it if you're just pasting stuff in most of the time

[stuck yoke]

microsoft wont instaban them anyways though?

[hard oasis]

i just skript straight in the text editor

its easier for me

im too lazy to use an external thing

[fallow anvil]

Make the text editor run with reasonable efficiency. Sometimes I have to wait 10+ seconds to make a single edit.

[knotty kite]

is the old volunteer staff team returning?

the concept not the exact people

[iron valve]

that would be very cool

[knotty kite]

either that or they'll get slg employees to do it I'd imagine

said they said no outsourcing

[boreal willow]

they said the current admins/devs/support is taking over

[flat flax]

And a few of other people

[knotty kite]

I see

[stuck yoke]

because THEY dont want to deal with reports anymore

[burnt bane]

Does this mean I can finally say "something" with the new chat filter in chat xd

[outer fog]

I suggest adding back booster voicechat since the listed reasons didnt really apply to the booster chat

[low cosmos]

Why wouldn't you make your own chat report so you don't need nearly as many mods? Now for any non 1.19.2 server it will be very obnoxious to ad. And not being able to chat because you don't play the latest version also isn't that good for the sense of community

Also all the bedrock users are just screwed now?

[stuck yoke]

they dont want to do it themselfs

also hi flow 🙂

[low cosmos]

Together with the resourcepack thing every time you join servers I feel like the quality of life on minehut has been made a lot worse

[stuck yoke]

you can disable the resource pack

only if you could disable chat reporting 🙏

[low cosmos]

Well then server resourcepack are screwed

[pastel field]

why would you firstly use minehut with 1.8.

[pine light]

cause minehut is free

[ashen oasis]

I‘m using Minehut just for proxies.

[crude jungle]

i don't see why you need to enforce using 1.19.2 java to chat in lobbies, you can still have a form like you did before to report things (and check your chat logs if necessary), and for a server that allows 1.8-1.19.2 it feels like you are discouraging and discriminating against people who don't want to use 1.19.2 for various reasons (performance etc) and also the current system does not allow bedrock to chat in the lobbies

[crude jungle]

people prefer 1.8 pvp to 1.9+ pvp, and if the server has plugins to make it like 1.8 pvp then people like using it

[pastel field]

thats preference, not fact

[crude jungle]

i never said it was fact

[untold stone]

💀

[pastel field]

you said it in general that "people prefer 1.8 pvp to 1.9"

like a fact that everyone prefers it more

[pine light]

he did not as he asked in context of you asking why people use 1.8 on mh by replying to your question

[pastel field]

yes, but then he said "people" prefer, not themself

[pine light]

he doesnt need to refer to himself as there exists a minority that uses 1.8 which can be addressed as people

[pastel field]

he didnt phrase it as a minority, as he said that "people" (in general) "prefer 1.8 to 1.9"

[pine light]

it was in context of you asking why the minority plays 1.8 on minehut

[pastel field]

that does not change the sentence

[pine light]

ofc it doesnt but if you only look at one sentence then most concepts of communication fall apart

[pastel field]

and i didnt say minority, i asked why would you use 1.8, and he replied that people prefer 1.8, which obviously refers to people in general right?

[pine light]

we just have different point of views on that

[pastel field]

ok....

if i said "people prefer to walk along the side walk and its less crowded" in the context of why would you walk a side walk, would you think that people refers to just himself and a few others?

it just simply doesnt make sense

but regardless I digress.

[pastel field]

why would this matter regarding ads.

only the actual people would be pvp'ing, they wouldnt be leaving to go ad

though to be fair I do see your point if you want everyone on your server to ad

[stuck yoke]

i justwant to chat without being censored by microsoft

[grim trench]

This update is bad because you cannot talk on bedrock anymore.

[grim trench]

👍

[pastel field]

@summer thorn please take a look at this, that isnt a good thing at all.

[grim trench]

#LetBedrockPlayersTalk

[vestal matrix]

I don't like that ☹️ I like to have a console client running on the side so I can easily ad whenever I want without having to run another Minecraft all the time

[upper edge]

in my honest opinion, i think the chat mods need to feed their families so we need to start paying them again instead of letting microsoft do all the work.

[pastel field]

they are moved to another place

they arent fired lol

[boreal willow]

they still gonna get paid, just by a different company now

[pastel field]

ya

[short chasm]

doesnt this thread's rating tell enough lol?

[boreal willow]

yes 13 people out of thousands is enough for a change

[short chasm]

yup

[boreal willow]

hmm

[stuck yoke]

well you cant ask people to check on something that doesnt say it might change if people dont like it

• there definitely is enough backlash if you would take a random poll for at least a consideration

[errant monolith]

@summer thorn bring back the boosters vc

its private there was no point in removing it

[outer fog]

Reference link to the post about it: https://canary.discord.com/channels/239599059415859200/1029991595761750036

[carmine flare]

Considering not even a thousand people talk in the chat or barely ever check the discord unless minehut is down I think it's fair to see that majority isn't in favor of these changes

[boreal willow]

in the past day, there have been 582 unique people that have talked in this discord. 1.9k in the past week. and 5.7k in the past month

[cursive moss]

Remove the ass thing that says I got be 1.19.2 to advertise or msg

[upper edge]

I'd rather give money to the mod team than restricting a huge portion of the community from talking in public simply due to a lack of a good filter.

For users who play modded on 1.8 servers, there isn't an option to play in 1.19.2 with those mods necessarily, it's a major inconvenience and if anything, makes players not want to use Minehut if they're being forced to use a newer version just so the management doesn't have to have moderation focus on a key section of the server.

[outer fog]

Thats a thing that will definatelly not change

[cursive moss]

Why

So cause people can't have newer version you gotta do this to them

[errant monolith]

they want chat reporting

XD

[outer fog]

You have to understand they didnt do it for people to update

[cursive moss]

Nah this ain't fair

[outer fog]

If there was a way to introduce chat reporting into older version, they would

[crude jungle]

why can't/couldn't you just report it in a form, like before

[pastel field]

they arent being forced

the only thing you need 1.19.2 for is for /ad and talking in lobby chat

thats it

most people just use minehut to join other servers, so i dont see any issues for the generic minehut user

[cursive moss]

The staff ain't ever doing anything so moderation won't help

[outer fog]

Chat reporting is on Mojang, form reporting is on Minehut

[errant monolith]

they want microsoft to handle it

[outer fog]

See the difference?

[cursive moss]

The problem is what if I wanna advertise my server I cant

[errant monolith]

just go on 1.19.2 ?

[outer fog]

Mojang is already paying (as they say) highly trained moderators

But minehut has to pay extra

[cursive moss]

I can't find drivers for my pc so I can't play any new versions

[crude jungle]

thats forcing people to use 1.19.2 to access the lobby's features is forcing them if they want to get more players on their servers etc

[upper edge]

Prohibiting servers that use specific versions from advertising makes it unfair, especially for those with ranks.

[errant monolith]

get a new pc then

[cursive moss]

Bruh I'm broke

[errant monolith]

then get the drivers

[outer fog]

Yeah, they get it, but there is no other way to introduce chat reporting

[pastel field]

that server can just use one account on 1.19.2

[upper edge]

Seeming as a huge portion of the Minecraft community hated the entire idea of 1.19.2 existing in the first place, I don't see why it's added.

[upper edge]

1.8.9 modded servers that mods aren't for 1.19.2? Nope.

[stuck yoke]

prob because they got confirmation from msft

[errant monolith]

nobody's having trouble advertising but a couple of people

[upper edge]

Pay their mod team...

[outer fog]

As they said theye were talking to Mojang about this, and they probably came to an agreement that included minehut haveing to use the chat report system

[errant monolith]

most of minehuts players use 1.19+

[pastel field]

they cant have a account used for advertising?

[pastel field]

.

[upper edge]

Not everyone has $30 bucks to spare

[stuck yoke]

its expensive + its not "their" as it is outsourceed

[pastel field]

the owner can just advertise on 1.19.2

while his server keeps going

[upper edge]

Invest in good systems for moderation and it wouldn't be an issue

[pastel field]

or he could just dedicate 500mb to 1.19.2 and have it set at 10 fps

[crude jungle]

i'm not opposed to them using mojang/microsofts moderation, its that they are blocking all other versions from advertising and asking questions in the lobby

[pastel field]

and open both 1.8.9 and 1.19.2

[pastel field]

maybe even lower tbh

[stuck yoke]

they dont want to

[carmine flare]

Minehut revamp worst thing they ever did

[outer fog]

Its not that symple

What would you say an ideal moderation system is?

[errant monolith]

if they do this im good xd

[outer fog]

So true lol

Just so you know, they will remove booster pass too soon

[stuck yoke]

make a forum post with people crying a ton like skript did the Maybeeee it will be added

[errant monolith]

i dont think they can

[outer fog]

Read the message below reply

[errant monolith]

i dont think they have anyone that can deploy stuff to the minehut bot it might break it if they just remove the role

[outer fog]

THey absolutelly can

Just delete the role from existence?

[stuck yoke]

make a forum post with people crying a ton like skript channel then Maybeeee it will be added

[errant monolith]

also if they delete booster pass people will probably just unboost tbh

[pastel field]

ya

[carmine flare]

Most likely won't happen

[pastel field]

no point to boost

[upper edge]

This still strictly prohibits users that don't use 1.19.2, which is arguably a good percentage of entire minecraft users overall... not everyone has money to spare for alts, not everyone is able to have 2 versions of the game running when any version above 1.13 hogs ram usage, which is why 1.19.2 servers on Minehut can barely run on free plan with any number of plugins without crashing in an hour or less..... Minehut needed to invest further on a moderation system that is nearly automatic and not have a 3rd party being forced to do all of this, unless its meant to be like the one company that took over Minehut years ago.

[errant monolith]

theres no reason too boost otherwise

[outer fog]

I would rather come up with logical reasons on why it would be no issue

[errant monolith]

why theres no reasons not too

[stuck yoke]

they want to target more nons

[errant monolith]

its a private channel

[outer fog]

The people who advertise p2w box severs definatelly do

[carmine flare]

There was no reason to remove it yet here we are 🤷

I get normal vc but why booster

[stuck yoke]

mh's 2 new updates garbo imo

[upper edge]

They're likely going to somehow make /ad a paid feature for non 1.19.2 users like things have gone in the past.

[pastel field]

Read what I just said. Use 1.19.2 on 300-400mb of ram at 10fps max set. You can even get a modded version of 1.19.2 which has 0-1fps and just sends packets

Also minehut crashing isnt minehuts fault, its yours. There have been incredible advancements with 1.19.2, with paper's 1.19.2 chunk generation being even faster than 1.18.2

[pastel field]

are you ok they LITERALLY CANT GIVE ACCESS TO NON 1.19.2 USERS TO CHAT its how the chat signature system works.

its baked into minecraft and thats nothing that mh can change

[outer fog]

They just don't understand

[upper edge]

Not everyone has op computers, sorry

[carmine flare]

The revamp for minehut and the discord just seems overdone for no reason feeling like they taking away freedom at this point forcing majority to have one specific convo in general and now people are forced to switch between clients just to ad their server to get players

[pastel field]

wtf

[stuck yoke]

remove secure enforcement^_^

[pastel field]

bro cant run 400mb application at 0 fps 😩

[upper edge]

Seeming as there are easily ways to prevent chat reporting, there's mant ways to add more to it

[errant monolith]

no they want chat reporting

lol

[stuck yoke]

😭

[upper edge]

Rip thats not a thing sorry

[carmine flare]

Why not just make their own chat report system or a better chat filter or something

Instead of forcing people to switch between clients

[pastel field]

10 fps then

[stuck yoke]

they dont want to do it we have gone over this

[pastel field]

and for that 500mb maybe

and there are mods to decrease it further. Its in lunar client as well.

[upper edge]

^^^^

[outer fog]

Here is a simple explanation about chat reporting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKgucpgVraY&ab_channel=AntVenom

[pastel field]

they did try that. It did not work

people had constant issues with it

[carmine flare]

Yeah but like why? I don't see the reason not too they know people disagree with the change but just don't care because majority plays on the latest version

[upper edge]

Rather than upsetting a huge portion of the community, get actual people who care to invest time into a system for chat filters

[pastel field]

they are literally going away from a system which they have paid alot of money for and which many companies use. They tried that approach, IT DID NOT WORK

[outer fog]

You just don't get the reason

[pastel field]

this thread is making me fr lose braincells

[stuck yoke]

Time. Effort. Money too much work to put in especially as they dont want outsourcing stuff

[outer fog]

yap

[upper edge]

Then there wasn't enough time put into it, it's called bugs, if they don't fix it and instead switch to a system which will likely lose them players, so be it

[pastel field]

https://www.spectrumlabsai.com/

they use THE industry standard for content moderation

there will always be bugs

but this was the best option

[carmine flare]

I just find it dumb most people most likely have their servers below the latest version of mc and they more than likely advertise on a version lower than 1.18 just seems really dumb that they want to force people to switch clients just to get some players

[stuck yoke]

how is someone supposed to block every single way to say a slur

its impossible

[pastel field]

all these companies, riot games + more not listed here

[stuck yoke]

forbes lol

[pastel field]

ya lol

[outer fog]

That is not the reason they did it

[errant monolith]

that costs money

[pastel field]

what.. why would they want people to switch clients

[stuck yoke]

they did make a new filter if u didnt see btw

[outer fog]

Why dont people understand that if they could add chat reporting to older versions, they would

[carmine flare]

You have to switch clients in order to ad

[pastel field]

exactly

[pastel field]

because chat reporting only works on 1.19

it is technically possible to back port it for older versions

[stuck yoke]

1.19.2

[carmine flare]

And that's why it's dumb they switched to it 🤷

[pastel field]

but you would need to do some complicated stuff

[upper edge]

They decided instead to lose tons of players instead of using a different system with more mods

[outer fog]

You would have to create a client

[pastel field]

ya

it would be complicated

[stuck yoke]

minehut client skull

[outer fog]

Client side, its easy

server side, next to impossible

[green geyser]

chances are not a lot of people are going to be really affected, plus minehut has paid moderators so it costs them

[errant monolith]

1.19.1+

actually

[carmine flare]

Most people more than likely ad on the version their server is on so now people have to go on 1.19.2 ad close mc then switch back to the version they normally play on

[errant monolith]

since 1.19.1 and 1.19.2 have same protocol version

and both have chat reporting

[pastel field]

microsoft api is there, so you can just use fabric to get a mod which allows you to use 1.19.2 chat filter.

[stuck yoke]

1.19.1 has bad context regconition

[pastel field]

or.. hear me out.
Set your server to 1.19.2

[outer fog]

Thats where the running mc in 1.19.2 on low fps comes in

[errant monolith]

maybe you could make your client send that your on 1.19.2 ?

even though your not

[boreal willow]

you wouldn't get a chat signature key with that

[pastel field]

^

[upper edge]

All the non 1.19.2 modded servers and every user who understands 1.19.2 was the most controversial update after 1.9 pvp change

[errant monolith]

add one

[outer fog]

Imagine a chat reporting backport lol

[carmine flare]

Maybe I possibly don't want me server on 1.19.2? I usually prefer older versions rather than the newer ones

[boreal willow]

you could make a client that adds chat signatures to older version

so if someone wants to, go ahead

[pastel field]

i mean it would be possible

@boreal willow @green geyser nerds

[green geyser]

how so? minehut talked directly to microsoft about it, they werent misusing their system

[errant monolith]

what about a mod ?

[pastel field]

mod?

[boreal willow]

yes

meant mod

[pastel field]

yeah

so its possible

[green geyser]

ahaha no more mods for me please, forge api is not fun to work with, maybe @proud bolt?

[pastel field]

fabric api 👀

[boreal willow]

what about the fabric api

[outer fog]

Minehut would have to change their side too

[green geyser]

never used it, I'd need to learn it

[outer fog]

since they probably on check for version when you chat

You can use fabric too i guess

[upper edge]

Sorry, forgot we are meant to trust one sentence from a person who talked to Mojang and Mojang being the company who refused to take feedback from players since Microsoft forced it upon them

[outer fog]

They did take feedback

lots of feedback

[green geyser]

btw, since you guys are talking about it, here is how the chat signing flow works
https://github.com/yushijinhun/authlib-injector/discussions/158

[stuck yoke]

pretty sure mojang wanted this

[outer fog]

90% of people here wouldnt understand

[green geyser]

Minehut is a really big, iirc they talked directly to someone who worked there (not support afaik), plus I trust most the staff here

[errant monolith]

lie enforce-secure-profiles is set to true by default

[pastel field]

@upper edge minehut is literally in mojangs official server owners discord.

[green geyser]

slightly outdated, it was made when it was released 👀

[pastel field]

They have direct communication with them.

[upper edge]

Partially but they only decided to make this for 1.19.2 which ultimately removes access to millions of players who don't use the newest version (mainly due to the pvp system, which was being worked on during 2020, but left abandoned)

[green geyser]

they still have access? they just cant ad or chat in the lobbies

[stuck yoke]

🤷

[outer fog]

yes

[stuck yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-copeharder-coping-keepcoping-gif-21255783

as the world says

[outer fog]

If anyone were to make a mod that added chat reporting, minehut would need to check for that mod along side client version

[pastel field]

the braincells in this chat are lowering by the second i tell you

[upper edge]

Access = access to the entirety of minehut themselves, removing everything in the lobby for many users, making their servers have less people if people look at ads, making those who paid for ranks to ad make it worthless

[upper edge]

Sorry, I guess we aren't on the same page about 1.19.2 chat reporting failure

[pastel field]

IT ISNT WORTHLESS. They can still ad????

just use a different version?

[errant monolith]

why would they do that?

[carmine flare]

When you realize minehut is like the only server to force u to use 1.19 to chat in lobby 😔

[pastel field]

wtf

[stuck yoke]

1.19.2

[carmine flare]

Even worse

[errant monolith]

1.19.1+*

[outer fog]

The biggest thing people complain about is haveing to update versions

[stuck yoke]

i'd "hapily" use 1.19

[green geyser]

• you can change your version to advertise
• you can always use a second client
• there are also different ways to advertise (like #server-ads)
  theres nothing stopping people from updating

[outer fog]

So if chat reporting became possible in earlier version and minehut would support it, they would like it

[errant monolith]

lol default messages are marked as modified

[upper edge]

I'm not tryna make anyone lose brain cells, but I feel Minehut switch to 1.19.2 restricted lobby features when there are hundreds of reasons people refuse to update to newer versions (plus bedrock being left out...) just isn't good idea

[outer fog]

just because they arent signed

[pastel field]

bedrock being left out is a valid point

[boreal willow]

modified does not mean they are not signed.

[errant monolith]

oh wait how did that guy talk then

[outer fog]

Oh wait

[green geyser]

yeah thats fair, I don't think it's the end of the world and a chances are it'll be a good move for minehut

[outer fog]

idk

[errant monolith]

maybe they might be on 1.19.2 with nochatreports ?

[carmine flare]

Why minehut care abt chat reporting sm though? Like lobby is spammed with ads to begin with so talking is lobby is pretty much useless as barely anyone will see it and chat reporting become entirely useless once you join a server

[stuck yoke]

pov they working on removing geyser

[proud bolt]

hmm

[stuck yoke]

wont let you chat

[outer fog]

Since they disabled their own moderation

[errant monolith]

you sure ?

[outer fog]

Now they leave it up to mojang

[stuck yoke]

yes

[errant monolith]

how did they chat without it being signed then

[stuck yoke]

nochat removes your key

[proud bolt]

Minehut will still be moderating themselves

[green geyser]

yeah its enforced

[carmine flare]

Another dumb idea of them should've just kept moderation as it was

[proud bolt]

They didn't, all Minehut chat messages are signed

[errant monolith]

a guy chatted without his message being signed

[boreal willow]

it is signed

just cause its modified doesn't mean its not signed

modified messages can be signed

[outer fog]

They said it was bad, so believe them

[proud bolt]

Modified != Not signed

[green geyser]

it means it was modified by the server iirc

[stuck yoke]

i agree, it wasnt the best but it was better

[errant monolith]

then why is it not showing for others ? its just that guy that has modified

[pastel field]

wait had a question, in our server we cant report modified messages while on 1.19.2
Why does it work on mh?

[stuck yoke]

if you can report a message IT IS SIGNED if not it isnt

[proud bolt]

You have enforce secure profile disabled

[green geyser]

^

[pastel field]

ohh didnt know you needed that

[green geyser]

its off by default on subservers

[carmine flare]

I wonder what they mean by "bad" since it seems that talking in lobby was a crime as literally everyone who broke a rule in lobby seemed to have gotten banned or muted so moderation couldn't have been bad or lacking

[stuck yoke]

turning it on 😔

[pastel field]

i think ill leave it off lol, since many very much still hate chat reporting

[stuck yoke]

😄 good boy byte!

[outer fog]

Chatting in lobby wasnt a crime at any point...

[green geyser]

I gotta have it off bc of one of my plugins completely changes chat

[carmine flare]

Ik I'm saying for the way people talked abt it made it seem like that bec of how much people got punished for breaking a rule

So moderation in lobby wasn't lacking or bad it seems

[outer fog]

Well you probably cant see the bad stuff

[carmine flare]

So I wonder what they mean when they say it was bad

[outer fog]

Whatever it is, we have to believe them

[carmine flare]

Well it seems like more people disagree with the change rather than agree so 🤷

[outer fog]

I know that the change was not enjoyed by the community

But it had to be done

[carmine flare]

Just seems like they are shoving new chat report down people throats and even of we voice are opinions nothing will change to I don't see the point of the feedback channel besides complaining

[outer fog]

And if you look at all the ways they could have done it, this one doesnt seem that bad

[upper edge]

Exactly how it went with Mojang too unfortunately

[carmine flare]

I mean for lower end pcs this is a bad thing

[outer fog]

Nothing will change, since nothing CAN change

[upper edge]

Block all chatting in lobby besides using /ad, I mean, maybe good idea (mostly joking)

[outer fog]

they are UNABLE to implement chat reporting in older version

[carmine flare]

New versions (at least for me) give me performance issues and considering minehut terrible lag lobby 1.19.2 + joining their lobby is a death sentence

[outer fog]

Also they are not forceing it down anyones throat

the only people who are affected are server owners

who want to ad

[carmine flare]

That's why I stick with 1.17 or 1.8.9

[outer fog]

and if you are a server owner using ads, than you probably have income from your server

[carmine flare]

So forcing it down people throats who aren't on 1.19.1+

[carmine flare]

Or just a fresh server trying to gain plays

[outer fog]

So the basic user who joins servers can be on any version they want arent affected by it

[vast mica]

u should yell at them in #1029972071373099058

[proud bolt]

ngl I went into this thread thinking it was gonna be about Minehut moderation and it was the same chat reports stuff I've heard for months

[outer fog]

It is about that in a minehut context

[upper edge]

As said, 1.19.2 was the 2nd most controversial update following 1.9

[outer fog]

Since most people think minehut is enforceing 1.19, which they arent

[stuck yoke]

https://discord.com/channels/239599059415859200/1029852677133307965 better

[upper edge]

Doubt that, majority of servers do not make profit

[carmine flare]

Don't see how minehut has such a issue with their own chat report system when like every other server has no issues with a chat report system of their own just pretty much a sucky update for the people who has to switch clients constantly whenever they wanna /ad their server

[upper edge]

Most server owners here aren't of age to even get income without using their parents accounts

[carmine flare]

^

[outer fog]

Minehut is a pretty large server

[upper edge]

I mean, look at actual huge servers, they don't have chat reporting either

[outer fog]

Thats why you run it on low fps limits in the background

[stuck yoke]

bc at max they got like 400 players if that

[outer fog]

The larger servers had so much time to adept their reporting

[upper edge]

Minehut per say isn't huge- as majority of their players aren't in lobbies

[outer fog]

And minehut is a pretty special case, since they are a server host, not an actual server

[upper edge]

Minehut or the large servers?

[stuck yoke]

servers

[upper edge]

This moderation change has no effect to personal servers outside of advertising

[errant monolith]

trent said 70% of players on minehut use latest version

[pastel field]

ok here think about this: use 1.19.2

[upper edge]

Servers owners are who matter in this case, not reg players

[stuck yoke]

30% is a lot of people

[carmine flare]

Read what I said and you'd know why I don't use it

[boreal willow]

80*

[stuck yoke]

• you can count a lot of "nons" or unexperienced minecrafters to that aswell

[carmine flare]

This

[pastel field]

then open 1.19.2 on 500mb ram with 10 fps

[errant monolith]

oh wait was it 80%?

i thought he said 70%

[outer fog]

If server owners have such big issues, they should just change to a competitor to MH

[carmine flare]

I thought he said 70 too

[upper edge]

People refuse to due to: pvp changes (1.9), lag (1.13), laggier (1.18)

[pastel field]

^

[carmine flare]

Could have sword he said 70%

Sworn*

[upper edge]

That's an option but that's not how change works

[outer fog]

What is stopping you from having minecraft rin a second time on limited resources?

[stuck yoke]

you forgor reporting (1.19.2)

[pastel field]

thats what i said

[carmine flare]

Thought it was 70 my mistake

[upper edge]

Yes my mistake

[outer fog]

I worded it more nderstandably

[pastel field]

smh

[outer fog]

or idk

Maybe they would get it

[upper edge]

Not everyone has a pc who can run mc regularly let alone another one open, and in most cases, uou can't be logged into the server at the same time

[outer fog]

If you cant run it regularly, how are you a server owner?

[upper edge]

And why is no one arguing for all the bedrock users who lost access now

[stuck yoke]

1 stays in your server 1 stays in lobby

[upper edge]

I can run it fine but I'm sure hundreds cannot

[pastel field]

yes you can. One in the lobby, one on your server.
And did you even read his messages? 500mb ram and 10 fps at max.

[errant monolith]

im pretty sure bedrock doesnt have chat reporting maybe why (like the java one)

[outer fog]

You dont have to. join on 1.19, /ad, leave, alt tab and go back to playing

[stuck yoke]

it does

but its different

[pastel field]

exactly

[errant monolith]

yeah but i mean the java one lol

[upper edge]

All this just because Minehut didn't want to redo their moderation filters and systems

[outer fog]

They passed moderation onto someone else

who they agreed to

[errant monolith]

its just easier for them to let there mods go and leave microsofts pro mods do all the work XD

[carmine flare]

Main thing is minehut is just making you over do it by having the need to switch clients just to ad

[outer fog]

YOU DONT have to

[pastel field]

no, all this because you want to use a 8 year old minecraft version

[carmine flare]

Ofc unless you're running on 1.19.2

[upper edge]

Of course, older versions have better fps, pvp, and thousands of more mods

[errant monolith]

you could always use viaversion on your old servers and connect with 1.19.2

[carmine flare]

So if I'm not on 1.19.1+ I don't need to switch clients to ad 🤨

[upper edge]

Modded servers can't do this on

[errant monolith]

viafabric

[outer fog]

3rd time saying this, start minecraft with limited resources in the background

[errant monolith]

maybe

might be client side though idk

[upper edge]

Ew Fabric

[errant monolith]

fabric >

[outer fog]

Forge liker caught in 4k

[carmine flare]

U still need to join the server through a diff client if it's not on 1.19.1+

[errant monolith]

yeah nvm viafabric client side

[upper edge]

18th time saying this, that isn't possible for everyone AND it shouldn't be necessary for anyone who doesn't enjoy the recent updates

[outer fog]

alt

tab

invbetween

the tabs

sorry for linebreaking

[carmine flare]

Not everyone has alts 💀

[pastel field]

if you care about pvp, there are plugins for it. Care about fps, hundreds of fps mods which can get you much better than 1.8's performance. Mods?? which mods arent on the latest versions which you would even want to use

[outer fog]

alt tab

[upper edge]

No clue why Fabric and Forge are diff I just use whatever I'm used too and I don't use newer versions

[stuck yoke]

free bedrock alt 🧌

[carmine flare]

That's worse 😭

[upper edge]

As someone who uses 1.7.10, 1.8.9, and 1.12.2, I can assure you I get 2x better FPS on any of those while using any performance mod for newer gameplay / 1.7.10 and 1.8.9 don't require more installing on every server just to support PvP which likely millions of users still dispise the 1.9 combat change / As someone who grew up always playing with specific mods that haven't been updated since 1.12.2 due to the coding change, there are many

[outer fog]

There are alternatives to those mods

[upper edge]

Alternatives shouldn't be needed.

[errant monolith]

does viafabric work server sided

idk

[outer fog]

Thats the dumbest arguement

[outer fog]

Whats viafabric?

[upper edge]

Thats literally the meme of "We have ... at home" and it's a $2 version instead of the $10 version

[errant monolith]

nvm its both server side and client side

i keep reading it wrong lmfao

[errant monolith]

viaversion but for fabric

[outer fog]

An alternative isn't a cheap knockoff

[errant monolith]

https://github.com/ViaVersion/ViaFabric

[pastel field]

I use 1.8.9 modded, and my 1.18-1.19 speeds can almost equal it and sometimes beat it \ If you want to play a server with 1.8.9 pvp, then change to 1.8.9 pvp \ We are playing minehut, not a modded survival series. Which mods do you need which arent on the latest.

[outer fog]

JEI -> REI

[upper edge]

I always used to play using a tornado mod which hasn't been updated since and no other versions of the mod is anything nearly as good

[pastel field]

read my last point

[outer fog]

What does it do

[upper edge]

There's many mods that haven't made it past 1.7.10 even

[outer fog]

BRUH

alternatives

that do the SAME thhing

[upper edge]

Then why does Minehut support modded? Might as well remove em too if they remove bedrock players and anyone non 1.19.2 to talk in chat

[upper edge]

None that exist

[errant monolith]

@outer fog

[stuck yoke]

use another host