Place where people can congregate to discuss production, mixing and mastering of songs, receive feedback for their music as well as ponder other production-related matters.
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lofty maple
🐦
craggy bane
how to mix
lofty maple
hi
stoic terrace
how to mix
a) change the volume gain of individual tracks to ensure you have sufficient headroom and aren’t peaking over 0db + use eq and compression where needed
b) ensure each element occupies their own set frequency range and does not overlap with another instrument or track
(theoretically you can do this with sidechain but it can mess with phase or the mix if done incorrectly, therefore try fixing it in arrangement first)
stoic terrace
also here's a Shoegaze demo that I've been sitting on for an eternity
dunno what to do with it since it sounds too arena-rocky and the melody is pure cheese
but its also somewhat catchy haha
could edm-ify it with more supersaws and turn it into an Illenium-type tune with vocals
summoning @compact swift @warped solstice @craggy marsh @warped solstice @crimson blaze @solar spade @ember ravine
craggy marsh
summoning <@895035168065224714> <@456226577798135808> <@491556942075133964> <@45...
reminds me a lot more of synthpop rock like MGMT or M83 than shoegaze lmao
if you're going for shoegaze, it's not as smokey or atmospheric as it is, even if u kept the same sytnh
stoic terrace
reminds me a lot more of synthpop rock like MGMT or M83 than shoegaze lmao
Definitely agree with you, it's very much in that ballpark
I made the mistake of using a certain Slowdive tune as a reference track and never recovered from it lol
I also have this synthpop tune idea - https://soundcloud.com/dj-noise-protocol/gi2m-v2-version-a/s-O5KjOpEP8RK?si=46032801177049e9add912840abcb3e4&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
stoic terrace
Yeah I’ve got a vocalist in my friends circle so I could probably ask her to sing on it
only issue is the creative direction
because I can’t figure out where do I want to take the project
I’ll probably scrap the 2nd instrumental chorus because one of the alternating chords is too high up
rocky flower
Oooh producers oh yeah
stoic terrace
hi. anyone have any thoughts on this
Imo needs more visible percussion to create a rhythm
see for example this
ember ravine
https://youtu.be/coXTMUhWFmY
Not sure if I like the added drums in this compared to the original
stoic terrace
Not sure if I like the added drums in this compared to the original
I think the track would benefit from some kind of a rhythm element beyond just plain synths and vocal chops
ember ravine
I think the track would benefit from some kind of a rhythm element beyond just p...
yeah i might try and work some into it
stoic terrace
yeah i might try and work some into it
I shall await the result
lofty maple
hi. anyone have any thoughts on this
cool stuff!!! I like the vocal editing a lot
the sidechaining stuff is cool I don't think it needs more percussion
ember ravine
stoic terrace
https://soundcloud.com/aliceeeismyusername/ifitmeansthatimnothappy?si=e338471459...
I’ll listen to it on friday
stoic terrace
https://soundcloud.com/aliceeeismyusername/ifitmeansthatimnothappy?si=e338471459...
Reminds me a bit of some aphex twin tunes
Maybe shift the vocal chops a bit more to the back of the mix as they can be a bit grating
fervent lantern
how do i bus drums on ableton
stoic terrace
how do i bus drums on ableton
insert drum bus effect and then adjust to your liking if you’re referring to an effect
if you want to combine multiple audio tracks of which each has drum sample of some form, just click one, hold shift and use arrows up/down to select all of the drum tracks
then right click them and choose “group tracks”
if you want to have all drums in one audio track, insert a midi track and toss drum rack from instrument tab onto it
then drag each drum sample onto it
stoic terrace
serum is da 🐐 no 🧢
stoic terrace
i do not speak emojis that well to understand this
stoic terrace
🙏
stoic terrace
https://on.soundcloud.com/JtreS
Might be my IEMs but high frequencies are a bit too spicy
ember ravine
Might be my IEMs but high frequencies are a bit too spicy
thanks for listening, any thoughts on this melody?
stoic terrace
thanks for listening, any thoughts on this melody?
Melody sounded fine, you could prob add more variation to it at end of phrases
ember ravine
Melody sounded fine, you could prob add more variation to it at end of phrases
the second melody?
stoic terrace
the second melody?
sounded fine
ember ravine
sounded fine
cool thanks
fiery eagle
yo im a pop artist looking for help with the melody for my new song can anyone either help or knows someone who can
stoic terrace
yo im a pop artist looking for help with the melody for my new song can anyone e...
Can you elaborate on what kind of help you need with the melody? Do you want someone else to write you a melody, correct an existing melody, harmonize track(s) or instrument(s), tune vocals or do something else?
fiery eagle
create a melody
stoic terrace
create a melody
How do you usually create melodies?
fiery eagle
its my first song
stoic terrace
its my first song
Do you have a midi keyboard and/or knowledge of music theory?
fiery eagle
have slight knowlegde of the music theory yes
stoic terrace
have slight knowlegde of the music theory yes
then you probably want to either start drawing notes in piano roll or use your computer’s keyboard to play in some notes
when you finally have something catchy, start working around it
fiery eagle
Alright thanks
fervent lantern
Circle of fifths can be very helpful
stoic terrace
Dump of WIPs from past few months with some revisions made today, all feedback is appreciated. Summoning @ember ravine @hybrid nova @rocky flower
stoic terrace
something I rly did processing for today, and quite detailed at that haha
unborn copper
hi
unborn copper
love these instrumentals, i wish i had actual good constructive comments to say about it but i like them a lot :)
stoic terrace
love these instrumentals, i wish i had actual good constructive comments to say ...
Thanks, they're all work-in-progress but chances are I'll finish them this year
unborn copper
lmao thats making art for ya
hope you get a chance to finish them sooner than later :)
ember ravine
something I rly did processing for today, and quite detailed at that haha
sorry only getting to see this now, will check it out as soon as I can
fervent lantern
There's nothing like feeling excited because you know you have a hit on your hands
stoic terrace
There's nothing like feeling excited because you **know** you have a hit on your...
give us a preview 
unborn copper
omg tease
fervent lantern
give us a preview <:deadass:745497330052235404>
How's this
stoic terrace
How's this
Piano roll type beat
haughty roost
hey guys! i just wanted to share my song bcuz i didn't know where to post. it's synthpop/electronic song about hidden emotional abuse, I hope you like it https://open.spotify.com/track/07FlcI1kv5dx9NzXoNk5BY?si=f494162325bd446d
stoic terrace
imho the chorus needs a re-arrangement as it’s super busy, but it could prob work
unborn copper
the keys in the beginning are a bit too loud i think
actually the key stabs in general are too loud
unborn copper
i suppose i gotta post something on here
stoic terrace
i suppose i gotta post something on here
Sophie is that you
if you toss a distorted 808 and a snare on top of that perc loop, it would be a staple of hyperpop 😌
stoic terrace
everyone does 😉
stoic terrace
I have begun making the very cursed genre of tech house
unborn copper
okayyy
its a good starting point! would love to see this expanded into a full track with more variation
wait that sounds demeaning T~T
its /gen i prommy
stoic terrace
its a good starting point! would love to see this expanded into a full track wit...
updated it a bit
stoic terrace
updated some more
unborn copper
woah weird and interesting outro, main loop is groovier now imo
stoic terrace
woah weird and interesting outro, main loop is groovier now imo
yeah I’ll prob play around and experiment with the buildup
more or less using this as reference - https://youtu.be/lOtl4W_ZCu4
wrt main loop I’ll prob add something to pad out high frequencies since they sit kinda unused
maybe a synth or texture layer idk
stoic terrace
update
dropped the funky modulation on buildup synth in favor of regular rhythmic buildup
there's like a 15 sec gap between end of first drop and the buildup to second drop, gotta figure out stuff to put into there haha
stoic terrace
made it sound more "evil" using pitch bends haha
unborn copper
hmmm i dont know if the pitch bends work tbh
stoic terrace
hmmm i dont know if the pitch bends work tbh
they’re the most noticeable on the wide saws that last for a bar and the last note that’s before the drums come in
the modulated effects do have pitch automation but I didn’t rly notice it making any difference either way, prob gonna relisten tmr
unborn copper
me when all i make is 16 bar loops
omg thank uuu
ooo love the noisy earcandy in this, very interesting
im glad you like it
i wish i knew how to expand into an actual song but its a pretty good start i think
thats cool
mixing hasnt been too much of an issue for me yet
although thats because im working with only two or three layers lmao
unborn copper
i suppose i gotta post something on here
this is somehow only two layers lmfao
yeaaaaaa you get it
if your sound design is good you dont have to do much
arrangement and structure matters a lot imo
too often i hear something from a somewhat obscure bass music artist on twitter and the intro and buildup is good but then the drop just. loses my interest
oh?
okayyyyy
ooooo thats neat
i should experiment more with white noise
oh this reminds me of some loops i made lol
oh you should hear the acid farts one lmfao
ITS SO FUNNYYYYY
all of this is synthesized too like
ikr
west gull
omg these tracks are a serve honestly
the acid farts and spicy bubble farts make me feel like yall are entering your galen tipton era
the cute.wav sounds like it would go so hard over a DnB beat similar to PinkPanthress
The Neon Sky Beat reminds me of Streets of Rage which slays
west gull
@unborn copper @warped solstice Since you guys are sharing your stuff, here's something I've been working on. Its incomplete ofc and the piano notes represent how the vocal notes are supposed to go. Im very excited to finish it cuz this one's my favorite. Overall, I want to make an eclectic album mixing club influences with different world beats 🙂
unborn copper
oh wow those drums are FAT
the pianos throwing me off even know its temporary asdhjkhffklj
the instrumentals very entrancing
OKAYYYY percussion starting at around 1:20
west gull
this live reaction is sending rn
west gull
so to put this into perspective, this would be my Hyperballad
unborn copper
i think the horns could work if theres more heft to it
ie more bass frequencies
mmmm supersaws could work if done right
mmm i get you
naur same
west gull
same [2]
unborn copper
okayyyy
west gull
unborn copper
ooo that bridge
the drums fading out......
OKAYYYYY
i like the structure of the track as a whole
i think it could use some more novel melodies and chords though
west gull
they really said "oh you thought it was over" drop beats like bag of bricks
unborn copper
if the chord progression switched up a bunch i think the track can be much more exciting
unborn copper
they really said "oh you thought it was over" *drop beats like bag of bricks*
they use they/them pronouns
unborn copper
the extended silence just before the transition into the final chorus ate tho
oh absolutely
west gull
i often remind my self about much the vocals fill in the space, we often underestimate that until you hear how empty song instrumentals are
unborn copper
yea its kinda scary sometimes
west gull
i always find it impressive cuz theres this feeling i get thats like oh, this feels like something within my reach
oh absolutely
granted, im still taking vocal lessons but im always struggling to hit higher notes and not sound so breathy or buzzy
unborn copper
i havent had a single vocal lesson ever
it makes me kinda sad that my vocals are slowly getting worse and worse as i get older
omg same
west gull
yeah my voice gets shakey at first then i just get frustrated lol
unborn copper
i make funny sounds and rhythms that can work as instrumentals all the time but when i actually try to make them in ableton i just forget everything rip
doesnt help that i dont record them bc i dont have storage space on my phone ._.
not if you use weird sound design!
west gull
i make funny sounds and rhythms that can work as instrumentals all the time but ...
omg same! Usually when i alone, i just beatbox to myself which is how most of my song ideas are formed. as for melodies, they always start with the piano
unborn copper
YEAAAAA I DO RANDOM BEATBOXING TOO LIKE
unborn copper
YEAAAAA I DO RANDOM BEATBOXING TOO LIKE
although its not actually beatboxing its more making SOPHIE sounds with my voice lmfao
west gull
yeah disco is tougher bcuz theres either much more staccato or more glissando
oh wait
this song is taking me somewhere...
unborn copper
omg i love your voice
unborn copper
yeah disco is tougher bcuz theres either much more staccato or more glissando
god i need to listen to more disco and house so i can understand how it all works
like what makes it tick yknow
i think ill find my voice in instrumentals that have jarring rhythms and flows, with sounds that take you in all sorts of directions
LMFAOOOOO
west gull
so far it goes hard, i think a little more gliding bass can elevate this and give it a more ominous tone
unborn copper
i think ill find my voice in instrumentals that have jarring rhythms and flows, ...
like silence to me is so underutilized sometimes, like random sudden starts and stops to otherwise consistent and powerful rhythms and beats are so cool
unisil my beloved
west gull
So you know how basses usually have a staccato to it? well i feel that a bass that holds a note would really help bring this song out. Im having a hard time describing this 😭
yes thats it 
stoic terrace
getting some slight the The Cure vibes
stoic terrace
<@646224838834257930> <@456226577798135808> Since you guys are sharing your stuf...
I like the percussion and the way it builds up towards the end with the 4otf beat
I need to figure out what to do with this track tbh
also can't decide whether to drive this towards synthpop or do the funny taiko drums
the mixdown on this track is a nightmare
worked on it with a friend of mine, either I need to rly sit down in a studio sesh to fix it or prob recycle the ideas n samples into something new
craggy bane
i kinda see it but this also makes me think that positions was just Its Always Sunny theme music remixes
stoic terrace
pretty accurate
craggy bane
its going for a 34+35 inspired sound is what i felt
not most of the songs though
but the album does have occasional baroque-ish instrumentation
craggy bane
true...
unborn copper
stoic terrace
https://twitter.com/dramatrial/status/1641555002886967296
The only complaint I have abt ableton is the piano roll
drawing melodies in there is not as intuitive as it should be
stoic terrace
I can imagine
stoic terrace
melodyne is as good as it gets ngl
vivid oyster
stoic terrace
hi any thoughts?
The section starting at 1:00 has a bit too spicy of a high end
see if you can tweak it
ember ravine
The section starting at 1:00 has a bit too spicy of a high end
Thanks. But what about compositionally?
stoic terrace
Thanks. But what about compositionally?
wdym by that? Structure? Arrangement? Mixing?
ember ravine
I’m fine with all of that. More like melody, memorableness, emotion etc
stoic terrace
I’m fine with all of that. More like melody, memorableness, emotion etc
Could use a bit more variety or something extra on melodic front
the vocal chop is super dry it feels
stoic terrace
https://soundcloud.com/aliceeeismyusername/neverbetterversion4?si=fa2c0aba881140...
This one could use a mixing session or two
the concept is quite neat in terms of how you play around with patterns, but the 808 hit needs more space in mix (so consider more aggressive sidechain)
ember ravine
probably should also say the bass drum isn't really supposed be heard at all
stoic terrace
probably should also say the bass drum isn't really supposed be heard at all
then cut it from mix and replace it with a regular sub bass tbh
stoic terrace
https://soundcloud.com/aliceeeismyusername/new-outline?si=2083127a87f34560b893bc...
sidechain instrumentation to the clap
unborn copper
grrrrr why can i sing a melody but then it sucks ass on the daw grrrrr
stoic terrace
grrrrr why can i sing a melody but then it sucks ass on the daw grrrrr
record and convert using melodyne
unborn copper
i think i had melodyne once but i deleted it bc no space .....
stoic terrace
i think i had melodyne once but i deleted it bc no space .....
upgrade space
alternatively just try in-software bouncing of a sung melody to midi
ember ravine
https://www.tiktok.com/@aliceeespage/video/7158765338572754181?_t=8bOpgSzq5DR&_r=1 Finished this one. Also, really really trying to get things going, so anyone into this stuff feel free to follow, like, share etc it all helps massively. Trying to do a big push to get stuff out this year. Thanks
stoic terrace
https://www.tiktok.com/@aliceeespage/video/7158765338572754181?_t=8bOpgSzq5DR&_r...
Any chance you could provide a soundcloud (or other) link? I’m a boomer
stoic terrace
https://on.soundcloud.com/YiQqdsrgHvH5opTG9
cheers, thanks, will give it a listen
imho it overall sounds fine, maybe some different alterations or at least more noticeable shifts in the structure would be nice
you could also modulate parameters to add some kind of a sense of progression over time
ember ravine
And what about conveyance of emotion
stoic terrace
And what about conveyance of emotion
I'd advise either working in keys or synths that actively play topline melodies and countermelodies or alternatively letting certain elements "breathe" in the mix
so space elements out in the track to create a progression and contrast
ember ravine
I mainly just work with topline melodies in the vocals
are the melodies in the examples not coming across?
stoic terrace
are the melodies in the examples not coming across?
they're there but I often find it difficult to focus on a vocal chop unless it is heavily accented in the mix
like here, the vocal chops that tail the main vocal line are distorted, reverbed/delayed and have an immense presence in the mix
you can also play around with the rule of 3
ember ravine
Not sure, if I put the vocals anymore up front they'll be too in your face. plus, every line has it's own melody that I want to be able to hear as well
stoic terrace
Not sure, if I put the vocals anymore up front they'll be too in your face. plu...
then maybe harmonize different elements and integrate them in a way that allows each of them to "play off" of each other
you could also just make chords more noticeable
ember ravine
what is the most noticeable element to you then?
stoic terrace
what is the most noticeable element to you then?
vocal chops everywhere but around 0:56 in your track they disappear
ember ravine
like here, the vocal chops that tail the main vocal line are distorted, reverbed...
to me these sound even more lost in the chorus
yeah I removed them from there
stoic terrace
yeah I removed them from there
so if you want to invoke emotion, space out the different elements and structure song in a way that has dynamics
so have a quiet/moderately loud intro
integrate a pre-chorus
have a chorus section with main melody and countermelodies
then have a bridge
then another pre-chorus/verse or variation
take out/add/remove elements
then bring in the chorus section again but with a new melody or some change
obviously you can keep certain elements consistent, but taking them out and creating negative space or new "things" gives it a sense of advancement
to make your life easier, try to find reference tracks that you can use for structure, arrangement and mixing
that way you can compare loudness of different elements, spacing and placement of different sections, etc.
ember ravine
so are the dynamics in this any better? I generally just want a quite to loud until the middle then die down at the end and combine all elements together
stoic terrace
so are the dynamics in this any better? I generally just want a quite to loud u...
yeah
i'd maybe like the quiet moments to be longer or introduce some percussion but that aside it handles the dynamics and structuring better than the first track
ember ravine
at the minute I don't want any percussion, I'd rather those ducks in the sound instead of percussion.
like drops in volume instead of a bass drum etc
stoic terrace
that's a perfectly valid creative decision
but keep in mind that drums can aid in creating a rhythm or a groove (unless you use synths with sharp transients)
ember ravine
The songs I'm looking at (can't send a screenshot for some reason on this) all have similar volumes throughout though
looking at Britney spears crazy and it's basically the same volume throughout
just did this
unborn copper
awh :(
hows your falsetto
aw that sucks
idk what my voice range is tbh
how do i know
how do i know the difference between my normal voice and falsetto
do you limit yourself to throat voice or chest voice
ah makes sense
thats funny bc i can transition from chest to head voice somewhat smoothly for some reason?
...........
yes
!?!?!?!?
last time i checked my voice is somewhat androgynous
so its throat voice?
idk
i just made it up lol
woah
rip
thats the campy role
oh thats cool!
ah
so uhhh does the gay accent make it hard for me to know what my range is or
oh nice detuned arpeg
lmfao
is it just me or do the voice range finder websites i see on google kinda suck
yea that demo is. not the best
i like this one much more
stoic terrace
sounds nice
stoic terrace
thoughts on this?
prob missing vocals is my initial thought tbh
alternative version where I swapped out a guitar amp emulator for a distortion plugin
stoic terrace
I tried lots of different patches and changes, unless I want to go full cheese and just use a saw wave, this was the only kinda viable option
regular piano and e-piano keys got drowned out by guitar riffs
wdym by sculpting the mids?
yeah I can mess around with eq and see what'll come of it
wrt re-write the main problem is that all of the guitar riffs and instrumentation layers are bounced so best i can prob do is add chords somewhere and rewrite melody in parts to add variation
yeah might work on the high end
ember ravine
alternative version where I swapped out a guitar amp emulator for a distortion p...
something like a brass instrument with held notes or a distorted guitar might work better for the lead
stoic terrace
something like a brass instrument with held notes or a distorted guitar might wo...
I'll try a guitar
vivid oyster
hi made this retro pop / gaga / type beat any thoughts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxB6TbKDUoo
ember ravine
tried this with a bit more variation and degradation in audio quality. also took it off the grid so hopefully sounds a bit more natural
stoic terrace
tried this with a bit more variation and degradation in audio quality. also too...
it does feel like the song has a better structure
playing around with shaperbox
ember ravine
it does feel like the song has a better structure
Overall though is melody enough? I was half thinking of throwing it out
stoic terrace
Overall though is melody enough? I was half thinking of throwing it out
its fine
ember ravine
Yeah I might just throw it out
vivid oyster
hi guys what's the best plugin for electric guitars?
stoic terrace
hi guys what's the best plugin for electric guitars?
probably something like a good kontakt library or realguitar plugins paired up with processing
rocky flower
probably needs more polishing but here's something
@compact swift
sorry i do not 😔
this is a wip if yall have suggestions im open
rocky flower
Default Logic Pro
Pitch correction
With a shit ton of other effects
Yo I’m cheap 😭
Okay I’ll keep in mind
I gotta play with volumes too and automate stuff
compact swift
this is a wip if yall have suggestions im open
this is giving cher or charli xcx
i love it
but like lo-fi
rocky flower
I can’t sing well but for me time
And like
Sustaining i guess
You wanna feel your diaphragm I think
Kinda contracting but not much
But maybe I’m saying bs that’s just what I do
stoic terrace
this is a wip if yall have suggestions im open
Have you considered dialing back the pitch correction?
stoic terrace
womp womp
stoic terrace
what would be a good label to approach?
labels nowadays suck, most of them will do one of the following:
a) just lend you 100k $ allowance that you’ll have to repay with interest
b) mildly promote your work but not pay anything substantial
c) charge you upfront for releases (beware - this is a scan)
generally your simplest bet is to set up a bandcamp or RouteNote and put your music there tbh
wrt label signing you’d want to first see if you can find a small label that matches your sound, aesthetic n style n then talk to their A&R (typically they have demo submission pages)
ember ravine
I just want someone to promote me basically. I was briefly signed to R&S for a release and they handled a lot of the promo. I'd be worried to go it myself. Do you think there is chance for suceess this way?
stoic terrace
I just want someone to promote me basically. I was briefly signed to R&S for a ...
idk it depends on how big is your reach n how much work you gonna put into it
if R&S were sufficiently able to meet your expectations then might as well go back to them
ember ravine
idk it depends on how big is your reach n how much work you gonna put into it
basically it's all I'm going to work at.
stoic terrace
basically it's all I'm going to work at.
then see if you need promo of a label or nah
ember ravine
I just feel that people are more willing to give you a chance. But I'm tempted to just go it alone. I have a lot of material i'm happy with but just feel absolutely lost
stoic terrace
I just feel that people are more willing to give you a chance. But I'm tempted ...
make a demo reel of 3-4 best tracks of yours
make sure mixdowns are clean
n it sounds nice n is at least 2:30 in length
then start shopping around labels that’ll take up demos in your genre
in parallel start dropping other releases via bandcamp, independently, to build a listener base
ember ravine
n it sounds nice n is at least 2:30 in length
why that length? why not not shorter?
Ok I'll give it a go and update you if you want 🙂
also can I release stuff on Bandcamp that I would rather be saving for a label?
stoic terrace
why that length? why not not shorter?
2:30 to be honest is like the bare minimum for a modern pop hit
two choruses and two verses
stoic terrace
also can I release stuff on Bandcamp that I would rather be saving for a label?
depends on whether you want the music to be heard by public before the label release
labels usually don’t mind re-releases especially if initial release wasn’t that noticeable
ember ravine
ah cool thanks for the help
ember ravine
depends on whether you want the music to be heard by public before the label rel...
can you ever send too many demos? like would the label get annoyed?
stoic terrace
can you ever send too many demos? like would the label get annoyed?
Yes.
Familiarize yourself with their submission rules. If they say just 1 song, then obviously submit just 1.
ember ravine
yeah but what if you keep writing new stuff all the time? can you keep sending 1
@stoic terrace like that's bound to be ok. or if they don't have a limit
stoic terrace
yeah but what if you keep writing new stuff all the time? can you keep sending 1
Just send 1 if it’s in the rules
also don’t be too impatient when it comes to responses because most labels w/ open submissions get swamped with demos
ember ravine
also don’t be too impatient when it comes to responses because most labels w/ op...
ok so maybe one new one a month if you keep writing?
stoic terrace
ok so maybe one new one a month if you keep writing?
as I said, just send the amount specified in their submission rules
if you write new music, don't submit it to the same label unless you got a response (be it positive or negative) or unless a reasonable time period (we're talking 3-4 months at least) have passed
ember ravine
fervent lantern
Not sure how to space out my subtweet album but I'm expanding it from 11 to 13 songs for the sources who complained
I want high highs but like maybe 3 songs to bring down the energy which are brooding but not languid
stoic terrace
I want high highs but like maybe 3 songs to bring down the energy which are broo...
your choice rly
i think if you release or intend for it to be heard as a continuous mix it can def help to have songs which bring down energy
at the same time three whole songs is a lot of work
fervent lantern
at the same time three whole songs is a lot of work
I know I have one I just need a dozen more. My ideas are fragmented but doable
stoic terrace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tNJzIcrvGk
very interesting visuals, for a sec I genuinely thought ||my youtube was buffering||
ember ravine
HAHA, that's great, I was hoping it came across as real
stoic terrace
yeah, it worked haha
and I think the final version of the song is solid, the different sounds and synths work nicely and the rhythm has a kind of a swing to it
ember ravine
ah cool thanks very much. just going to try and shop it around or possible just release it myself
craggy marsh
Hey y'all, here's the question for the day: after the Skrillex x Fred again.. x Four Tet set at Coachella, what are some dream producer collabs you would love to see?
compact swift
btw if anyone here needs like help with visual/cover art feel free to hit me up :))
im good with design to some extent so im happy to help out
unless its 3D stuff which im not really familiar with
like with blender
west gull
probably needs more polishing but here's something
this is so chill wow
its giving a hint of Sade
rose spoke
i tried producing my own song without knowledge of music theory and (as a musician) it sounded uhm interesting
is there any chord progressions/ tips tricks to help a song sound cohesive while not being boring
stoic terrace
is there any chord progressions/ tips tricks to help a song sound cohesive while...
just go on youtube and look up music theory
I also sometimes go on piano-keyboard-guide.com as it has some materials on chords/scales
ember ravine
is there any chord progressions/ tips tricks to help a song sound cohesive while...
You could experiment with chord progressions from songs across different genres. I wouldn't recommend sticking too close to music theory just for the sake of it. I always feel like if you do that it will come out sounding like Jacob Collier, who is interesting to hear talk about theory but musically I can't stand his stuff. If you want a quick guide to chords in a specific key to experiment with here's the key chords of C major.
I ii iii IV V7 vi vii (half diminished)
Cmajor Dminor E minor F major Gmajor (or G7) A minor Bhalfdiminished
If you want to do something that sounds coherent but moves in and out of different keys trying going through the circle of fifths (Listen to hey joe by Jimi Hendrix for example of this type of chord progression)
stoic terrace
Did some work on a disco tune and a techno tune yesterday
ember ravine
I have been studying music theory since I was a child. And I stand by what I said. I disagree, you don’t need to know music theory to write. Look at the Beatles for example. Your ear is far better to follow.
I told him that if he WANTS TO he can start at this very basic part.
Jacob collier is perfect example of someone who talks at length about what scales etc he used to begin writing his music but nonetheless turns out crap, in my opinion.
I’m also not against music theory, I love music theory but it’s terrible advice to suggest that it is the most important thing when writing music. Like it or not music theory is not a necessary thing to know to write good music. You could argue that people have an instinctual understanding of it after being exposed to western music since birth and are naturally drawn to the sound of it, so they follow it regardless, but your ear is infinitely more useful than theory.
stoic terrace
+1
ember ravine
+1
I didn’t do that. I recommended him not to get too bogged down in theory but then offered information if he wanted to do it anyway.
I’d.say the vast majority of people who make great music, particularly in terms of popular music, in the modern day, take next to no consideration for theory while they write songs.
This isn’t coming from an ignorant perspective. I have been exposed to and have studied theory for the majority of my life. The idea that you actively need to know and continue learning theory in order to write is completely false. What is it going to do for you?
rose spoke
You could experiment with chord progressions from songs across different genres....
colliers a genius
ember ravine
colliers a genius
I think he has very impressive skills and immense talent incredibly poorly utilised.
I have been studying theory almost my entire life. And it’s 100 percent true that most of the pop writes have no consideration of formal music theory when writing. It’s almost always trial and error through copying until they find they’re own voice, the same as talking. Music theory isn’t useless but it is no one where near essential. You keep saying this isn’t music theory, if you’re so unbelievably clued into music, explain to me what is music theory.
People constantly expand their vocabulary through trial, error and experimentation.
Do you honest think someone like Taylor swift is consciously breaking down the theory of her songs after the fact?
I didn’t encourage him not to, I said it’s not necessary to write music, which it isn’t. It’s only an idiot who would suggest so
Your ear is way more useful to develop. Music theory is incredibly interesting for analysing stuff. And it’s also useful if you want to get off to strangers on a discord channel to smugly assert your deep knowledge of it without actually saying anything
Again, If you are so knowledgeable please tell me what is music theory. And where is the most useful place to start off for song writing
Yes eliot, learn the basics like the makeup of chords, but don’t feel like you need to stick to them, follow your ear. It’s basically what 90 percent of writers do anyway.
rose spoke
Yes, you can follow your ear, but I've been told been some professors that I'd need to stick to some tonal structure (I thought I did).
I didn't know they soundly became producers, though they made some good points like adding more complex harmonies + counterpoints
which is easier said then done.
ember ravine
which is easier said then done.
What style of music are you writing?
ember ravine
Sorry thought I sent this earlier. I’m not saying don’t learn theory. I’ve never regretted learning it and find it incredibly interesting and I do use it in partnership with my ear (but mainly prefer my ear). All I’m saying is when do you learn it, don’t feel let it dictate your decisions and feel free to turn off that part if you want to at certain times. I think it’s best to put into concrete terms the idea I’m thinking of so that it’s instantly accessible, instead of making something that feels more like a technical exercise, which is a genuine pitiful a lot of people fall into at times. Is it useful, yes. Is it 100 percent necessary, no.
rose spoke
No its ok, its pop, though now leaning towards acoustic. (off topic) My first piece was accidentally trance.
It was just bunch of random, this was before I became interested in producing
paper zodiac
humble creek
wip
pastel imp
can i post?
stoic terrace
can i post?
Yes, sure
pastel imp
Made this yesterday :/ not sure if it can be considered pop or not
I dont spend a long time on tracks I usually get um done quick and thats my goal to produce quickly so its probably not up to expectations
wait not yesterday day before i think
compact swift
Is rock a genre that allows for more rough/aggressive vocals?
I think I might record something in that style
Or actually nu metal
I think I like that style
stoic terrace
Started working a drum n bass (neurofunk, to be exact) WIP in order to play around with sound design and distortion plugins
compact swift
Started working a drum n bass (neurofunk, to be exact) WIP in order to play arou...
i love this
its giving aespa
or LOONA
but leaning more towards aespa since there is a bit of a switch up halfway
like the song sounds different after that
but then at the very end u go back to the first part
stoic terrace
i love this
Happy to hear that. I’m still ironing out the arrangement and other aspects but it’s certainly got potential methinks
ember ravine
stoic terrace
https://soundcloud.com/aliceeeismyusername/windowpianotrack?si=6ee53adf94f940f0b...
I like it, especially the middle part
started working on techno while using the new monitors
on my headphones and monitors the low end seems to sound fine but I'd appreciate it if someone else could also do a check around 00:30 and 00:45 for the low end
ember ravine
I like it, especially the middle part
thanks 🙂
unreal bone
hi new here,
i put this one out recently, what do u think?
its like, y2k dancehouse meets indiepop
stoic terrace
https://open.spotify.com/track/4tHUmch7vFkjucKR7tKy7E?si=48c1272937a1464e
kick transient a bit too spicy
but its def vibey
ember ravine
anyone know how to switch back to classic stats view on soundcloud
ember ravine
pastel imp
i whipped this up this morning. im producer / ass singer haha https://soundcloud.com/addimusiclegit/better-life?si=355288dd412b4ef28a6f9aceb36f8de7&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
stoic terrace
i whipped this up this morning. im producer / ass singer haha https://soundcloud...
check out some tutorials on how to process vocals and align them with the beat better
while I think the core ideas are interesting, you could refine the arrangement, mixing and other aspects
pastel imp
check out some tutorials on how to process vocals and align them with the beat b...
thank you i was just going to try this out. I will also see if I can make it more interesting. So by align with beat beter do you mean kinda sing to the beat instead of the tempo?
stoic terrace
thank you i was just going to try this out. I will also see if I can make it mor...
The beat is at the tempo that you have put in the daw
but try to have your voice keep up with the beat better
pastel imp
ok got it will do. I whipped up another one and I vocalized the words to the rhythm a bit more. This one is in f# minor or so I think... I also cleaned up the vocal quite a bit by singing at the same volume or something i did something right because when I put the volume gate to cut noise it worked almost the entire time! Then I used my plugin to clean it up even more and after compression it didnt have any noticeable hiss. I was carful not to move or make any sounds like I usually do. I really appreciate the feed back bro it helped me out a lot ❤️
its a new one i want ed to start a new one with more precice samples custom made
warped solstice
Or actually nu metal
Only just found this message just randomly scrolling through this channel for the first time but that’s like 90% of what I make if you wanna know anything
humble creek
@stoic terrace do you know of any good, cost effective modern percussion packs?
stoic terrace
<@581380706832482324> do you know of any good, cost effective modern percussion ...
whats your budget?
humble creek
I mean, ideally 50 and below tbh
stoic terrace
I mean, ideally 50 and below tbh
and you want percussion that is “organic”, that is punchy (so more for dance/edm) or that is experimental?
humble creek
punchy and organic stuff mainly. Like for dance and electropop
stoic terrace
punchy and organic stuff mainly. Like for dance and electropop
Sounds of KSHMR vol.2 is good for percussion, I use it all the time
humble creek
I'm fine with my own drums that I've made for moodier and atmospheric stuff but I havent made dance stuff that I'm happy with
stoic terrace
alternatively check out addictive drums library for kontakt (base software is free) though it might also be stand-alone
humble creek
Thanks! Ill check it out
humble creek
sad I had to cut this
floral vale
Is this a threat
I don’t really make much pop music I’m more of an edm type guy
I do have like one pop song I made during a 1-on-1 writing camp/session but I dunno if I’m allowed to share it
stoic terrace
Is this a threat
nah haha just curious
and this isn't a pop-only channel, a lot of ppl including me make edm
so feel free to drop links to anything and everything
warped solstice
I used to make EDM but got sick of making it
Could only do it for so long until I got bored and needed to make something different
Which ended up being Nu Metal and Hip Hop
night sun
Wait how do i send sm here
indigo monolith
Be an active participant of the server for long enough to at least get Pop Silver
stoic terrace
Wait how do i send sm here
upload to soundcloud if you dont have pop silver
pastel imp
Hey bros (esspecially Matt_k haha) Just looking for feedback on this track just a little would go a long way I suppose. https://soundcloud.com/iceyoumusic/road-split-latest-attempt?si=57de152cd5374812a5cf1859ad1168ef&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
pastel imp
sad I had to cut this
i feel like the atmosphere is too overposwering if you could render out atmospher stem and dynamically eq it to the rest of the track that would work imo
for time being i would lower the volume / add some reverb be it convulsion or plate... doesnt matter just wanna smoth out those note ihits
stoic terrace
Hey bros (esspecially Matt_k haha) Just looking for feedback on this track just ...
are you recording vocals into multiple layered takes with metronome?
It seems you could probably add in some vocal harmonies and also adjust the vocals to be more in time with the beat
stoic terrace
dang lol yeah im not so good at my timings
Have the metronome in your daw play along in your headphones while you are singing
you can then cut up the vocal clips and shift them backwards and forwards to better match the timing
pastel imp
i used a vocal I bought this time and think i got kinda lucky with the mixing as it sounds pretty good better than my other stuff. I have 2 versions on with loud hat and one without. The hat plays from start to finish so its taxing on ears for sure. i just went with the quiet hat since i cant upload the mp3s. heres the link. and yeah my ears are ringing 😦 didnt notice till now that hate was way to loud. https://soundcloud.com/iceyoumusic/feelin-no-good-iceyoumusic?si=a840d1124f3749669e5d8ad314c3ad5a&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
stoic terrace
i used a vocal I bought this time and think i got kinda lucky with the mixing as...
The mids need beefing up
only the highs and lows are noticeable in the mix
stoic terrace
bump
stoic terrace
Bump
stoic terrace
I found a section of archive.org which features field recordings and stock video footage. You may find this useful haha
pastel imp
https://soundcloud.com/iceyoumusic/no-goodbyes Hey Matt I was hoping you could check this out when you get time its my best one so far. Im not leaving the vocals im getting my sister to sing them. hehe its going to take some luck
its really raw and its just a demo Thanks again for helping me in the past
stoic terrace
new techno wip
stoic terrace
https://soundcloud.com/iceyoumusic/no-goodbyes Hey Matt I was hoping you could c...
A few suggestions:
- Add or write a proper bassline to it, whether using sub bass or something else.
- Add delay, reverb and chorus on some of the synths and plucks so that they aren't as dry.
- Beef up the drums a bit maybe
pastel imp
new techno wip
i like the high energy. I was thinking you could add some trippyness if you are using layers for your synth and bass. I recently discovered a lil trick for layering if you can sync the high and low spectrum into an automation you can moph the sound from either or and anything in between. If using 3 layers just leave the low end how it is and automate the mid and high intersection for some rad fx. Just incorporate a connection between the synth and the automation so when the synth hits you are automating it some how. It sounds very interesting and allows for many options when mixing.
For example if you are mixing this song and you wanted to lower the enrgey or change it up tweak it so only the low spectrums were playing with heavy side chaining. There is no one way to do it but its really easy in fl.
stoic terrace
i like the high energy. I was thinking you could add some trippyness if you are ...
can you send me an example or an ableton tutorial which shows the thing?
pastel imp
im sorry i dont know ablton. :/ and ive never seen it shown online i have this pic though i send on the fl discord. https://youtu.be/G5EiP0QOstc i uploaded to youtube on private
its not techno though but this is the concept
in fl i used an automation then dbl clicked it to add a second so they sync up. no idea how to do it in ableton
stoic terrace
in fl i used an automation then dbl clicked it to add a second so they sync up. ...
I'll see what I can figure out
pastel imp
hey i fixed the super stereo autopanning bass XD No reverb or delay yet but drums should be beefy... Hey did you try out that Idea I came up with lol I came up with it after trying to figure out tiestos surrounded by light https://soundcloud.com/iceyoumusic/no-goodbyes-stemmed-out
stoic terrace
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Au7m9o5H6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzR...
if it’s a song, can you upload it to SC by any chance?
ember ravine
if it’s a song, can you upload it to SC by any chance?
it is a music clip but the video is an integral part
stoic terrace
updated my techno WIP
stoic terrace
and another update
compact swift
does anyone know any good youtube videos where its like a FULL tutorial on FL studio
i really wanna do something thats like a class or a tutorial on just how to use the entire program
like one thatll show u how to use every single thing and just do stuff
im figuring it out as i go, but it would be nice to have a way to speed learn everything
stoic terrace
stoic terrace
does anyone know any good youtube videos where its like a FULL tutorial on FL st...
speed learning a daw isn't rly possible tbh, even w/ good knowledge you'll be rewatching parts of vids since ppl do things v fast lol
compact swift
speed learning a daw isn't rly possible tbh, even w/ good knowledge you'll be re...
i know ill get better over time with pratice
stoic terrace
update with a master chain
I think I'll reduce the compression for some parts n rework some of the missing elements
but it is about 80% finished
ember ravine
ember ravine
pastel imp
https://soundcloud.com/iceyoumusic/masks
It could use a mix down im sure but i just went strait to master cause im lazy and im excited cause it sounded good to me
pastel imp
update with a master chain
Only thing I was wanting was like some kinda chanting indian tribal vocal but thats just me man...
like goofy ones to get people feeling giggly
sry for ping
shouldnt ping at 4 am
stoic terrace
Only thing I was wanting was like some kinda chanting indian tribal vocal but th...
I don't like doing chants for driving techno, it's a wee bit too corny for my liking
stoic terrace
shouldnt ping at 4 am
it's almost 1PM in Europe
pastel imp
ah yeah that was the vibe i was imagining lol corny i guess. probably a bad idea im not good at edm never have been lol
cause it was so rythmic
i was like bro... this could be like
co cool people could laugh to it
full widget
I did a lobotomy session the other day. The second half is conventional and the first half of more lobotomy. Not sure if anyone has suggestions.
ember ravine
stoic terrace
I think I'll put together an electronic shoegaze project
cloud cargo
Sharing this little snippet. Should I continue on this and develop it? Keen to finish some of my "small music" for once. It´s only my voice and a playback tune to get into the grooove. Appriciate all the feedback I can get! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1paT1XsCkMVBvETQjcsSQd0Pn7DTGwqcl/view?usp=sharing
stoic terrace
Sharing this little snippet. Should I continue on this and develop it? Keen to f...
Can you please upload it to soundcloud or youtube?
cloud cargo
Can you please upload it to soundcloud or youtube?
I don´t want it on Soundcloud or Youtube tbh. Haha. It´s just a very small draft if you get me.
OK. Here you go: https://soundcloud.com/synne-aao/maya-26062024-1856
cloud cargo
Can you please upload it to soundcloud or youtube?
What do you think?
stoic terrace
What do you think?
I’ll take a look as soon as I have the time
cloud cargo
I’ll take a look as soon as I have the time
np
vivid oyster
hie if you like ayesha erotica, slayyyter, chase icon and that kid you should listen this xx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mdGqYoHvzI
cloud cargo
is that your actual voice?
Yes, it is. Yeah, it´s just avery spontanious and short take - layered with some eccho.. But I think I want to make a song out of it.
west gull
Yes, it is. Yeah, it´s just avery spontanious and short take - layered with som...
You have a lovely voice, cant wait to hear the finished product!
vivid oyster
stoic terrace
https://soundcloud.com/iceyoumusic/summer-nights
check if the keys and elements coming in at around 01:00 are in key with the vocals
stoic terrace
Yes, it is. Yeah, it´s just avery spontanious and short take - layered with som...
I'm impressed! Looking forward to hearing more of your vocal takes ngl
ember ravine
pastel imp
https://soundcloud.com/iceyoumusic/bye-bye-baby hey Matt hows the music producin goin? I think ive gotten better since i last posted here.
its supposed to be pop but i doubt it is
random mauve
stoic terrace
bringing this back from the dead
stoic terrace
care if I share a song i just finished?
it's chill, this is the space to do it
worn tangle
I have a music theory question: Jingle Bell Rock is playing and during the middle, there's a harmonisation of the main line in an old tiney style. The way they harmonise feels very distinct to that eram Could anyone explain why?
west gull
Hey guys I have a quick question: so I’m thinking of starting a fiverr account for beat making and was wondering what are your thoughts on the site? Any advice or tips on starting out?
stoic terrace
Hey guys I have a quick question: so I’m thinking of starting a fiverr account f...
Very oversatured, everyone makes beats. If you want to succeed in it, already get good at making somewhat decent mixes and don't just sell your first beat
Use Ableton and not FL for obvious reasons
Also learn how to do proper arrangements and probably also offer more than just beatmaking services, probably learn how to mix vocals
west gull
Very oversatured, everyone makes beats. If you want to succeed in it, already ge...
Ahh so basically the synths, keys, bass, the whole nine yards
stoic terrace
Ahh so basically the synths, keys, bass, the whole nine yards
Yes
also learn how to proper mixdowns, i.e. what sits where in frequency spectrum, remove resonances, learn sidechaining and levelling, eqing, compression, limiting
I would not sell beats if I couldn’t explain to someone what attack, release and ratio parameters do on a compressor lol
west gull
Now when you say selling beats, are you referring to making sample packs? I’m hoping on just focusing on making certain beats for someone who needs them.
stoic terrace
Now when you say selling beats, are you referring to making sample packs? I’m ho...
No, actually selling instrumentals
anyone can make sample packs lol
loud swallowBOT
west gull
oooo I’m so nervous lol
tardy stirrup
Hey all, are we allowed to post links to our content for feedback?
I noticed I couldn't post clips directly here
stoic terrace
Hey all, are we allowed to post links to our content for feedback?
I think yes, but the embeds only work once you get to pop silver rank
tardy stirrup
I think yes, but the embeds only work once you get to pop silver rank
I see. Thank you. Out of curiosity, what's the requirement for reaching silver?
stoic terrace
I see. Thank you. Out of curiosity, what's the requirement for reaching silver?
level 20 on the server, so being reasonably active for a while
and participating in other channels
you can check your level in #bots by typing in ‘/rank’
tardy stirrup
you can check your level in <#236929075934003200> by typing in ‘/rank’
I'm only level 1 lol
Gonna be a while
wind pewter
damn i'm only at 18
i wanted to post something for feedback lol
guess i'm just gonna have to participate a little more first
tardy stirrup
You guys
Listen to Fire by Augustana
God damn
And watch the acoustic/piano version on YouTube
I feel so inspired to write and record right now
