home-base-strategy

[bitter peak]

U guys think I can rush from th12 to 13? I alr upgrades my eagles, inferno, xbows etc. Hero's r still upgrading but I'm getting bored without something new in th12

[mighty hamlet]

if you are getting bored, its more like your problem and not the th..

[bitter peak]

There's nothing to do in 12 tbh

[mighty hamlet]

everything you can do at other ths

[bitter peak]

Is more fun than 12?

[woeful wave]

im sure theres a lot of upgrades you can still do

you probably just upgraaded the most important defenses and nothing else

[bitter peak]

I don't skip on hero upgrades and the rest

[mighty hamlet]

th12 unlocks most super troops in the game and sieges.. and its the th where boxy base building changes to fluid and more interesting

[woeful wave]

what are your hero lvls

[bitter peak]

I just started 12 I think a month or a half ago and started my hero upgrades a week/2 ago

[woeful wave]

so youre still missing a lot of hero lvls

[bitter peak]

My king and queen are 55, Prince is 36, warden is 40

[woeful wave]

yeah thats too low to upgrade th

[bitter peak]

All are constantly upgrading cuz I alr did my offensive buildings and important defences

[bitter peak]

Yeah I was thinking I should upgrade my townhall after my king and queen are 3-5 levels from maxing out

[woeful wave]

usually you should prioritize heroes as they take the most time/effort

[bitter peak]

I like doing offensive buildings first tho

I like doing offensive buildings first tho

[woeful wave]

thats fine but maybe not for th12 since you get a new hero

[bitter peak]

2 messages lol

[woeful wave]

heroes count towards offense

[bitter peak]

Holdon let me get a ss

[woeful wave]

just upgrade your heroes to max

and then upgrade th

thats it

[bitter peak]

Oh I'm not allowed to send pics

[bitter peak]

I meant buildings like clan castle, lab, army camps etc

[bitter peak]

Then do my storages together with them

[woeful wave]

i know

but you upgrade your offense first

not only your offense buildings

so you also do heroes, troops, spells etc

[bitter peak]

I do hero's after my troops and defence

[woeful wave]

Yeah thats a problem

It leads to rushed heroes

[bitter peak]

I've never rushed my hero's before

[queen ridge]

Hi there! What's a good TH14 spam/farming attack army for resources?

ideally something brainless

[unreal ocean]

play however you want

its fine to rush a bit but dont overdo it cause you’ll get tired of the game when you’re left behind

imo th12 was hella boring aswell

unlocking rc is the best thing i experienced in this game

make sure to max your heroes, offensive buildings, troops you use and important defenses

[grave stirrup]

Not quite great but it is a good beginner base right?

[unreal ocean]

its amazing bro

but i’d put the walls from next to the gold mines to close the army camps

so the barbarians dont go away

[cerulean lake]

Anyone got tips for an anti 3 star legend 3 base

[turbid lion]

This one’s not bad it’s just a little old

Also retrap it for RC prolly

[cerulean lake]

True

Fair

[fierce valley]

#i-need-a-clan

[cerulean lake]

What's th are you

[deep cradle]

1. Use a new base which as few players as possible knows
2. change the trapping

[woeful wave]

For resources you can always go with sneaky gobs

[deep cradle]

sbarbs are better

[woeful wave]

Why

They are not invisible and target everything

[deep cradle]

it takes way less time to circle the base with sbarbs, without taking nay care, and you'll reach the destruction % goals quicker and therefore have to care less about reaching random storages

which means you don't have to find bases with alot of loot when each of your attacks take like 25s just to reach 50-70%

which gives you more resources in total

[woeful wave]

Yeah you have a point

[deep cradle]

I'm tired, that sentence makes no sense

[woeful wave]

I still prefer sgobs

[mighty hamlet]

percentage farming for league bonus is worth more in high leagues
why not valks then..

[patent whale]

🥲🥲🥲

[deep cradle]

because valks suck

and using valks mean that you have to use warden with torch, which removes like 8% destruction from fireball

garrowpack + fireball + stickhorse ball and then surrounding with sbarbs usually means 60% in under 20 seconds

valks will take longer to do that, and you'll get less value from just random fireballs touching storages

[silver summit]

Hi guys im new, how do I play?

[turbid lion]

Wei uploaded a video u can get 50% in like 8 seconds if ur max efficiency

All dmg equipment edrag rage

[deep cradle]

the word with E-drags is "can". if you find the perfect base, sure. you can get alot of value. but if the base isn't compact enough you'll take far longer to reach that

and that adds scouting time to find

sure: you can scout for 2 minutes to find the perfect base and it'll take 8 seconds, but you don't have to scout for 2 minutes with sbarbs and will have done 3 attacks by then

[deep cradle]

attack and farm loot, and then upgrade your base and progress further into the game

and wait for upgrades for a long long long long time

[silver summit]

Hmm, so it's basically a waiting game

[unreal ocean]

kind of

but you can attack while things are upgrading

[woeful wave]

Well i was talking about farming without heroes

[queen ridge]

What spells do you use with sbarbs?

[blazing saddle]

im confused, is rocket spear really bettter than haste vial?

[tardy ridge]

Mostly yeah, but theres cases where vial is better

[deep cradle]

weak

[west yacht]

What’s the best start to farm resources I am th 9

[blazing saddle]

like?

[tardy ridge]

Tge haste vial is only better for long rccs. Rocket spear is better anywhere else

[turbid lion]

Watch his vid it’s very consistently less than 15 seconds

The edrags aren’t the main thing it’s 8 seconds they’re getting like 1 chain off max

[mighty hamlet]

all zaps all bdrags

[woeful wave]

||rush to th11 and get those sgobs||

[finite falcon]

Attack strategy for th 16 pls

[lavish flax]

Gotta love my 2.9 star offense but 99% defense destruction 😭

[last drift]

am I the goat or what

my first time attacking th18

[lavish flax]

4% 🙏

ur getting there

[raven turret]

super witch is goated

[unreal ocean]

teach me bro

[abstract quest]

just do that 25 more times

[last drift]

I just wanted the 1 star lol

[last drift]

why 25

[lavish flax]

25x4

[lavish flax]

I one time got a star off a th18 lol, I think a couple times

[unreal ocean]

iirc i think i almost 2 starred panda with some modif

forgot which one

so im kinda a pro myself

do i max the eboots?

[faint wigeon]

i would definitely prioritise some different equipments over the eboots maxed

[last drift]

this was my first time attacking anything over a th15

[unreal ocean]

my max level rn is 18 tho

what else should i max

warden is maxed, aq is maxed

and i use lotta rc

[faint wigeon]

how far are you to next th?

[unreal ocean]

not far from th14

but iirc i think next levels are unlocked at th15 right?

[last drift]

tf?

25 and 45 years to max all equipments?

[sonic minnow]

Did u set your ore gains

[last drift]

it says it there

the site chose it

[unreal ocean]

wym only 14 in a month bro

you get 1 per daily bonus

and like 10 per war

do you only open the game once every 2 days and you’re not in a clan either?

not even counting the starry from the raid medals

😭😭😭

[zinc bobcat]

Who what use on 12th? Best strategy, im play yeti and super archers

[unreal ocean]

super archers or super wizards or super yeti in the blimp

[tardy ridge]

Set ore gain from clan wars too 🥀

[unreal ocean]

then its depending on your equipment

[tardy ridge]

And also

[unreal ocean]

if you have fireball its op for th12

but tuff

[tardy ridge]

Do not tell it that you gon max EVERY equipment

😭

Al whats this montly gain

Thats less than my weekly gain

[fair seal]

Does anyone have a good def for th18 in electro 33

[tardy ridge]

You have to chose it yourself foo

[unreal ocean]

way under that

i just checked and that would be my case

given we dont win every war but we pretty much do

[last drift]

let me see ur monthly gain

[unreal ocean]

thats the monthly

look on the lower side

if i put it at 100% winrate in war it goes to 190 something

[tardy ridge]

Nah gng you cooked. Pray to the god you believe in

[unreal ocean]

if our little th’s do well and i dont have to cover anyone i could hit higher th’s and gain even more

[fair seal]

😅

[unreal ocean]

but thats because OUR clan is goated

[unreal ocean]

the god you believe in is WILD 😭

[fair seal]

I just got 1 sucessful def...rest all 3 star

[tardy ridge]

Why? Its respectful

[unreal ocean]

ik but it sounds wild

@tardy ridge tell me bro do i upgrade the electro boots

[sonic minnow]

No

[unreal ocean]

im thinking about saving starry for duke but idk its gonna take a while till i get there

[sonic minnow]

Let's see Ur equipment

[unreal ocean]

doesnt the equipment max level for epics go past 15 once you hit th15?

[sonic minnow]

Yeah

24

[unreal ocean]

well im th13 now so even when i up my th i’m not gonna upgrade stuff

[sonic minnow]

Mirror then?

Or orb

[unreal ocean]

i dont really like using mirror tbh

[sonic minnow]

Why you got no spiky

[unreal ocean]

and till th15 im using air so arrow is always used

[sonic minnow]

Orb then

[unreal ocean]

i doubt im gonna use king once i unlock duke

thats why i dont wanna invest in him

is mp good with ground armies?

cause i’m planning to use root riders once i unlock em

[sonic minnow]

No

Duke RC queen warden for roots now

If u have jetpack

[unreal ocean]

i dont but i’ll buy it once i get there

my lame ahh bought snake bracelet instead of backpack

😭😭😭😭

[tardy ridge]

This is somewhat defendable

[unreal ocean]

i was th12 back then

and for some reason i thought snake bracelet is like an insane equipment to have

still lame

[tardy ridge]

It is very good and thh15 from th12 looks very far

Crazy that if you ate upgrading th16 to 17

In war you lose the eagle duting the upgrade

[unreal ocean]

thats quite lame

ngl i really dont like how they’ve done th17

really feels like a downgrade

like the attack seems cooler than the inferno but not worth losing eagle

[unreal dome]

Whats the th17 league floor

[unreal dome]

Yea it's either a hit or miss

Either you hate it or love it

Cuz it doesn't feel or look like the same game anymore lol

All the newer defenses look like they're straight Outta boom beach

[turbid lion]

p23

[exotic bloom]

Does anyone have any th14 bases good for protecting loot?

[worldly holly]

How do I stop the spirit fox from running in and dying in the first 4 seconds

[unreal dome]

You use invis spells

At the right moment

[frank basin]

My defense is so horrendous bro

I literally haven’t defended a single time In 12 attacks

In legend 2

Base is nearly maxed

I keep trying new layouts

Is anyone here l2/l1 and gets good defense?

[turbid lion]

Relatively normal if u have a lvl 3 lava launcher tbf

[frank basin]

I’m running lvl 13 air bombs rn

And no that’s not normal at all no way

One defense isn’t the difference between promoting and ZERO defenses

I keep changing layout tryna find something better and I defend worse and worse every time I change it

[turbid lion]

How many times out of 12 do u think u would fail on someone who doesn’t have the revenge tower

[frank basin]

Wdym

I have a revenge tower

[turbid lion]

Yeah but I’m saying like the crafted is literally one of the best defenses

Ofc it’s gonna be impactful

[frank basin]

The revenge tower is the best defense in the game bro

And I have the crafted defense it’s just a lil underleveled

[turbid lion]

The revenge tower doesnt compare to the lava launcher against ground armies

It’s def better than air bombs

[frank basin]

I thought everyone’s using air

I’m leveling both crafted defense at the same time in case I changed my mind

So I can switch

[turbid lion]

Lvl 13 is pretty underleveled it’s more than a little bit

[turbid lion]

Yeah most ppl are but still like other than rev tower mono and maybe multi gear air bombs are still pretty up there

[frank basin]

Last season I defended 9 times

Out of 28

With a lvl 1 crafted

This season I have lvl 13

[turbid lion]

Very lucky

[frank basin]

And I’m 0/12

[turbid lion]

😭

[frank basin]

I changed my layout

So that’s gotta be the issue

[turbid lion]

Yeah that’s def also true

[frank basin]

I went perfect on offense last season and missed promo by almost 250 trophies

[turbid lion]

I’m just saying not having a decent crafted hurts quite a lot

[frank basin]

Well I’m doing what I can man it’s upgraded

I think I need a better layout

I’m just not even sure what to run

I tried anti dragon riders this week

[turbid lion]

This is kinda wild

I’m getting abt 240 trophies on defence per ranked week

[frank basin]

I’m averaging 65

[turbid lion]

Brotha are u getting ur bases from a “top 10 best anti 3 star bases th 18 NOT CLICKBAIT” YouTube video

[frank basin]

I tried one of those this week

Before that I was using my friends base

[turbid lion]

😭😭

[frank basin]

He plays c1 cwl every month

So he sent me a few

But that was before the backpack

And lowkey all those layouts have tons of value in the way of an easy backpack + giant arrow

[turbid lion]

Were they cwl bases or legend bases

[frank basin]

Like revenge tower, cc , both spitters all next to each other

He sent both

I tried like 8 different layouts

[turbid lion]

God dayum bro yk bases are considered kinda old after like 2 weeks

[frank basin]

Haven’t defended a single week above 100 trophies yet

I’m so frustrated by this shit

Cuz I can go perfect on offense

Against modifiers too

And I’m not even CLOSE

Everything I see is just triples on offense and defense

I don’t understand how people get hundreds of trophies on defense

Like the meta is so easy rn

[turbid lion]

Idk I guess u just gotta wait for the crafted to upgrade and continue getting perfect or close to it on offense and hope u get lucky

[frank basin]

Will you share ur layout you said you got 200+ with

[turbid lion]

I swapped bases alrdy it’s burnt asf

Even if I still had it I doubt it would do as good this week

[frank basin]

How do you get base

Bases

[inner seal]

Where do y’all get all these new bases

[turbid lion]

Ermmm

I have a gc w my clan

Old clan

[frank basin]

Well that doesn’t help lol

[turbid lion]

They just be sending shit

[frank basin]

I’m by far the best player in my clan

My whole clan looks to me for strategies and bases lol

[turbid lion]

I am the worst unfortunately 😢

[frank basin]

We have 17 th18s but most of them are a little mentally challenged when it comes to attacking

[turbid lion]

Do u test the bases before u use them in legends

[frank basin]

I have 3 th18s, and I dropped 21 stars on all 3 accs last cwl

And we didn’t promote 😭

[frank basin]

Wdym test? Like attack them myself?

[turbid lion]

Yeah

[frank basin]

Not to sound cocky but

If I just triple everything… what’s the point?

To see how hard it was to triple?

[turbid lion]

If u triple all of them it means the bases are ahh 😭

[frank basin]

But even when I play in legends

I triple everything

So are their bases all ass too?

Then how is anyone promoting 😭

[turbid lion]

Yeah but u test them in l1 modif not l2

[honest terrace]

idk if the modifiers are skewed or the armies are easy

[turbid lion]

I test all my bases w hydra and roots and if I fail on one or both of those strats I’ll retrap it and acc consider using

[frank basin]

This game just feels SUPER easy rn

For offense that is

[honest terrace]

i see

[frank basin]

I’ve never even tried base building

So I can’t try to build my own

Idk where to get my bases

[turbid lion]

U can take oldish bases and just retrap or slightly shift defenses and they’ll be alr

[frank basin]

If I go to a big YouTuber, the bases are burnt and everyone knows how to hit them

If I go to like a little source, the bases are usually trash

[frank basin]

I’m just afraid I’ll mess them up when I do that lol

[turbid lion]

U can try this one ig it’s a stars base from near eos

I haven’t tested or retrapped it bc it’s still on cd for me

[frank basin]

I’ll give it a shot

Thanks homie

I am upgrading my supercharges and crafted as fast I can

I dropped 6 builder pots yesterday

You really think lava launcher > air bombs ?

[turbid lion]

In l2 maybe

U can just switch it to air bombs

[frank basin]

I feel like most people are using air no?

I have both lvl 3

13*

[turbid lion]

Yeah but in l2 no one who’s decent is gonna fail w hydra or any air army even if u are using air bombs bc the modif is ahh

Whereas lava launcher is genuinely strong and will mess up a ground attack

It’s a percentage play imo

[frank basin]

So the logic is basically you’re screwed if they use air ? 😭

[turbid lion]

Pretty much

U can use air bombs if u want and see how many ppl fail

Also how are ur offenses from all the l2 weeks so far? Are u going perfect in all of them

[frank basin]

Nah

I failed a bunch like the last 2 weeks

But I’m also not sweating anymore

I’ve kinda given up

Cuz I realize I can’t promote with my defense the way it’s been

[turbid lion]

😭

Fail enough

[frank basin]

So I’m mainly just signing up to see how my defense does

[turbid lion]

I switched off roots last week for the same reason and did ahh

[frank basin]

And once I got a defense that could work I’ll start trying hard again

I mean if I’m missing by 30-50 trophies

I could do better

But if I’m missing by 250+ trophies

I’m not gonna suddenly promote one week yk

[turbid lion]

Fair

[frank basin]

I’ve been using DR with backpack and GA

[turbid lion]

I’m kinda pissed I decided to troll last week bc my group was ahh if I just played roots I would’ve promoted 😢

[frank basin]

When I’m actually trying, I’m averaging 28.5/30 on offense

I’ve gone perfect before

Last season I tried I was 28/30

Both fails were 99% time fails too 😭

[turbid lion]

That’s very good dayum

[frank basin]

That’s what I’m saying

Im rly frustrated

Cuz why can I do that good on offense

And then my defense I mine as well be running a progress base 😭

I have 3 th18.

One is full max besides temporary content
One is engineered
One is slightly rushed

The slightly rushed one is stuck in Electro 33 and I’ve really been trying to get it into legends

But I can’t defend to save my life

Most of that is probably cuz it’s rushed but I prolly need a new layout too

[turbid lion]

Yeah I have a rushed 18 too im just keeping it in e33 ngl

Cannot deal w no modif leagues half my bases don’t even work

[frank basin]

You wanna see my engineered acc lol

This might be one of the weirdest accs in the whole game

It’s fun tho

#Q2YJJL88Q take a look

[turbid lion]

Am I dumb or what is engineered abt this acc

[frank basin]

Did I send the right acc?

#Q2YJJL88Q

Yea I did

You don’t see?

Look closely

[turbid lion]

Wait wtf I messed up the search and somehow ended on a near max th 18 before 😭

[frank basin]

Strange lol

[turbid lion]

I even checked the clan and there was an l2 player so I just assumed it was ur main

LMAO

But yeah I see

That’s cold

[frank basin]

Lvl 1 mortars ftw

I’m gonna upgrade them in a month or two sadly

Do you see the troops tho

That’s the funniest part

[turbid lion]

Holy

[frank basin]

Yea you see the meme now lol

[turbid lion]

That’s acc sick u got it that far without any dark troops

[frank basin]

Literally only 3 troops and 2 spells

[tardy girder]

Yo

[tardy ridge]

yo

[midnight leaf]

How should i attack this base?

[unreal ocean]

whats your th

[tardy ridge]

you 100%

funnel with something, do a main push and deploy clean up troops where you need them

you use a hero and its abilities to remove key kefenses while you funnel tho

[spring sail]

Im back again. How do i beat this base as a TH13?

It looked easy at first glance but now im not so sure

I was thinking an RC charge at 6 oclock, bu i can see her going off in random directions, and i cant see her taking both teh eagle and 1 scattershot

At first it looks like you go straight down the middle but thats just a death for my super witches

Maybe a queen to take the 9 oclock compartment, king with a yeti at 5 oclock, and then send in the RC to take a scatter and an eagle. The part im unsure of is where to send the super witches after all that. Maybe 12 oclock? That might spread them thin, and also give the TH an oppurtunity to wipe em

[tardy ridge]

`what army you using?

blimp th

this is the freest blimp ever

[tardy ridge]

what if you start with the switches from th side?

also you using fb switches

[spring sail]

Im more used to eternal tome + rage gem, but i can work with fireball if necessary

[spring sail]

thats true, but what value am i going to get besides the TH?

Im not against it, but wouldnt a flinger or a siege barracks just give me better value?

[tardy ridge]

can you send me your army

when people say super witches the 9/10 times mean

fb super switches log launcher

[spring sail]

well my army changes depending on the base, but the core is 4 witches with healers and warden, with the queen and king funneling with a launcher

i rarely use fb, but i have before

[tardy ridge]

a launcher?

[spring sail]

log launcher

mb

oh yeah and i forgot

i almost always do an RC charge to take the eagle, and usually a scatter as well

it works so well i rarely ever even need the wardens ability or the siege, but this is a TH14 im going against

[tardy ridge]

why dont we rcc a staccershot compartment

send switches from th

the healers will keep the healthy through the th exposion

and have queen funnel the other side

I dont see why we can just go straight through the middle

[spring sail]

what about the eagle? the healers will be able to cover the damage from that?

[tardy ridge]

yeah

you using rage gem ofc

[spring sail]

i havent attacked enough to really get a feel for this stuff, so i just gotta double check... eternal tome will last long enough to tank 3 heroes, giga inferno, and the poison bomb?

i think its only like 7.5 seconds or something

if it can, i think i can combine both of the plans. Queen to the 9 oclock compartment, king to tank the beginning the an RC charge, which will take out the scatter, and possibly the eagle. Then the warden with eternal tome + rage gem with the switches towards the TH with a few headhunters.

should i bring a overgrowth in case the RC cant take the eagle?

[tardy ridge]

you have healers,

pop if you see your super witches taking too much damage

the th wont live that long

3 heroes do annoy but they will be targeted by the big boys

theres no side damage on this base

if you walk straight down the middle all the damage is in a perfect line

[spring sail]

i think the log launch would be a little useless here. Should i go with a siege barracks?

[tardy ridge]

youll need to poison the cc

[tardy ridge]

there are many layers of walls

if you use siege barracks you need eq boots

and some jumps

and a super wall breakers

[spring sail]

i have the boots, 1 jump, 2 super wall breaks

[tardy ridge]

the only annoying thing are the sweepers tho

I just noticed they are poiting at the th

[spring sail]

yeah i didnt see that

thats annoying

theoretically i could switch the position of the queen and king and giant arrow both of the sweepers

but then the king wouldnt funnel

[tardy ridge]

the king wont funnel

how is he gonna funnel if you want to open the core with eq boots?

he cant be in both places

[spring sail]

mb i mean he wouldnt get a lot of value out the boots cuz he would be on the opposite end of the base

i probably used the word funnel wrong

im still learning all this strategy stuff

[tardy ridge]

wait a sec

[spring sail]

used to just spam dragons til 2 months ago

[tardy ridge]

what spells you have

[spring sail]

5 invis, poison, jump, rage, 1 quake, and 2 totems in the CC

[tardy ridge]

we gon plan from side opposite to th

its better this way

[spring sail]

yeah now the log launder would be able to get a lot of value without being targeted

luncher

omfg

yk what i mean lol

imma just send the army link that i quickly created for this attack

https://link.clashofclans.com/en?action=CopyArmy&army=h0e8_14-1e17_48-2e4_24-4e6_40i1x58-1x110-1x83-1x87d2x120u4x7-4x66-1x58-3x82-2x28-1x97-2x5-1x6-1x1-2x75-1x87s5x35-1x3-1x2-1x9-1x10

i forgot to mention the root rider in the CC to bust open a bunch of walls

[tardy ridge]

ok

I dont like the super wizzard

[spring sail]

yeah i just tossed him in cuz i had extra space. should i do a couple giants instead?

maybe hogs or super barbs would be better come to think of it

[tardy ridge]

those are not good troops to have in the cc 😭

do like a ballon and 2 roots

and the earthquake is for the rc charge right?

[spring sail]

fr?? i was thinking theyd shield the root rider for a couple extra seconds lol

[spring sail]

yeah to damage the eagle compartment

[tardy ridge]

wait you have only 300 housing space?

arent you th13?

[spring sail]

yeah the next camp level is at th15

[tardy ridge]

oh right mb

what is the garrow for?

[spring sail]

i dont have any other high level queen equipment 😭

just that and the action figure

[tardy ridge]

hmmmm okok

in that case

lemme draw wnat I see

[spring sail]

idk im liking the idea of the queen taking that 9 oclock compartment, especially the inferno. RC charge to take a scatter, inferno, and the eagle. Its after that that i havent planned

after that, id be left with 1 inferno, a scatter, and the TH, which is why i originally planned on placing the switches at ~1 oclock

[tardy ridge]

that is what I seemaybe you can take the eagle

the rc will lure the cc and the queen that siege barracks or queen will take them out

[spring sail]

alright while you were doing that, i created a drawing, so lmk which you think has a better chance

ill explain what all the colors mean

that wasnt it

ahh shit where'd it go 😭

here we go

[tardy ridge]

Wtf

[spring sail]

the pink is what the queen will clear. After that, RC decimates the blue. King is clearing the yellow, then pathing to the now opened up TH compartment where the main army goes. Black is just cleanup

[spring sail]

Is it that bad 😭

[tardy ridge]

Its hard to understand

[spring sail]

nah itll make sense, its pretty simple

[tardy ridge]

I dont like suiciding the queen for so littlw

[spring sail]

nah it isnt little tho, its the difference between a failed RC charge and a succesful one

otherwise the RC just gets sidetracked

[tardy ridge]

What is the garrow even gonna hit?

[spring sail]

plus, the queen wont suicide, shell live

[tardy ridge]

Shell die to the inferno

[spring sail]

action figure tho plus the totem

[tardy ridge]

You never send a queen into a single inferno

[spring sail]

.

oh right

im a dumbass

[tardy ridge]

If im correct that inferno is “unwalkable”

The queen will die

[spring sail]

well i guess id waste the garrow, but i have no better equipment options

i can wall break her in and she can easily take the inferno i think with her giant giant

[tardy ridge]

You can do that plan ig

[spring sail]

actually yk what

[tardy ridge]

Try to learn fb super witches when you level up fire ball

[spring sail]

i have it leveled up, i just hate using it

[tardy ridge]

Why?

[spring sail]

doesnt get me as much value as a well-used rage gem and eternal tome

rage gem lasts the entire round, and eternal tome is very necessary

fireball is just one-time value

[tardy ridge]

Ground armies dont really need eternal tome

[spring sail]

idk those poison bombs scare me

i 3 starred a maxxed 14 yesterday, and the eternal tome was the reason i didnt get destoryed by the poison bomb

[tardy ridge]

? The th poison?

[spring sail]

yep

[tardy ridge]

Gng I hit th17 and 18 being th15 with a root rider army

Switches is not that different

And consistebtly 3* th16s

The etome is not the holy grail for ground armies

[spring sail]

well damn

[tardy ridge]

Rage gem is

Healers keep shit alive

[spring sail]

so with this new plan, what would the fireball hit?

[tardy ridge]

Etome is like a panic button

Fb straight up makes it so that there is no need for a panic button

Because you remove so much damage of the base with a well used fb

That it becomes a joke

[spring sail]

yeah ill use it on some bases, but i cant imagine it being that useful here. Again tho, im very new to strategic attacking

[tardy ridge]

Watch some hooked to clash

He has great videos on super witches

Attacking like th15 from th13

[spring sail]

ill check it out tonight. I do have another 20 hours before war ends, so theres no rush i guess

[tardy ridge]

Yeah theres no rush

But you truly just need a plan for 3 buildings here

Town hall
Eagle artillery
Clan castle

Everything ese is unimportant

That rcc may or may not take eagle

[spring sail]

yeah ill check out the other replays to see what they keep in the CC

[tardy ridge]

But its purpose its pathing

Th is so outside that its unlikely it will do anything relevant

Unless you get to it with too little health (with dragon armies)

Eagle is on the path of army so no big deal

[spring sail]

yeah im prob overthinking this. Ive 3-starred harder bases than this

this layout is just different than what im used to

[tardy ridge]

This aint that scary

And the layout is ass imo

[spring sail]

only thing that im worried about is if i dont 3-star. Nobody else in my clan has a chance of 3-starring this guy 😭

im ass at the game, and theyre still worse

[tardy ridge]

What clan you in? 😭

[spring sail]

i created it

[tardy ridge]

0 stars HQ?

[spring sail]

yeah our last war, our TH14 got 58% on the top guy, so i had to clewan up

[fervent bolt]

weak

[spring sail]

i got the 3 by some miracle, but it was close

i can prob actually send the replay here

[tardy ridge]

In the scary-o-meter, how scary is that layout?

[fervent bolt]

0

[fervent bolt]

this one right?

@tardy ridge

[tardy ridge]

yeah

[fervent bolt]

0

[tardy ridge]

all the defenses in a line

[fervent bolt]

but if you're scared just go for the sure 2 star with blimp and ze yetis or smth @spring sail

[tardy ridge]

is a bit troll

[fervent bolt]

i'd destroy that shi easily

[spring sail]

nah imma go for the 3

im like 70% confident that i can

[fervent bolt]

you got ts

😤

[spring sail]

alright replay from yesterday is coming soon

the fps is low cuz i had to compress it to fit the discord limit

[tardy ridge]

8p 1fps

[spring sail]

youre asking for too much there 😭

[tardy ridge]

8 pixel, 1 frame per sometimes

[spring sail]

do i gotta block out the usernmaes cuz i got no idea how to edit videos on windows 🥀

[spring sail]

thats more like it

[tardy ridge]

Why

We are not gonna harrash the player you attacking 😭

[spring sail]

idk i just notice ppl do that sometimes 😭

alright here it is

nevermind hold on i lost it

[tardy ridge]

Yeah I stole it

You have to 3* me to get it back

[spring sail]

tada 🪄

wasnt that fast

[blazing saddle]

afaik the minimum level is 9 but they are great at high levels

[spring sail]

oh shit that isnt even the right one

[tardy ridge]

F no

[spring sail]

its good enough tho

[blazing saddle]

minimum level for the action figure? im th15

[tardy ridge]

Yesterday I almost threw my cw hit

Th15 v new th17

It was a miracle 3*

Because I did a crazy aura move

[blazing saddle]

aura😭✌️

[tardy ridge]

Deadass

I had to totem revive duke to take gear tower

Then recall him to th

And with my spare invis (my rc died premature) duke charge an firespitter, air defense, scatterhsot and xbow

[spring sail]

damn

did u screen record

[tardy ridge]

Nah

That replay is lost

But it was crazy

But I cant have such a bad excecuted attack to my name

💔

[spring sail]

every 3 star i get is badly executed

every 2 star i get happens when my plan goes perfectly but my plan sucked

[tardy ridge]

I get 2 stars when my attack doesnt gi as planned

[blazing saddle]

guys is the frozen arrow really THAT bad?

[tardy ridge]

Its not THAT bad

The other equipment are THAT good

[west yacht]

What th do you guys say is the best to be in to enjoy the game

[blazing saddle]

15 imo

but cant really say since i havent tried the last ones

[blazing saddle]

yeah ig ill start using the action figure

the thing is that I dont have too many ores

[tardy ridge]

frozen arrow works for qcs tho

its just not ideal

and try to use the least amount of epics if you struggle with ores

max a set equipment for a specific army

and then go with others

[abstract quest]

it has no practical use in the big 2026

[frigid pecan]

Best th11 anti 3 star base?

[faint sail]

Me and all my co leaders and leaders cannot take down the first base,HOW?

This base is cursed

[turbid lion]

I don’t wanna be weird but if ur all failing on a no modif base there’s a bit of a skill issue there

Queen garrow from 7oc for two ads or an ad and a sweeper whatever u want, air spam into the first rage tower with etome, duke w stun walk 9oc eventually into the rev tower and guardian, og the backend rage u can bait it with rls or just let it pop naturally

Can’t be that difficult

[bitter peak]

Hey whats the best strat from th12-13?

[turbid lion]

Fb switches allegedly

[abstract quest]

someone told me blizzard sarch walk/smash

better on uphits than fireball cuz blizz can get more value and fb can be weak

[plush orbit]

I used rc charge + drags it's solid once you learn pathing

[bitter peak]

What should be my spells including cc spells

[abstract quest]

damn rc charge at th12 goes hard

[unreal ocean]

i think rc charge is really op for a th12

[wide plover]

Easy base btw log launcher inside suoer valk and super yeti takes down revenge and th alone i attacked that base already

[mighty hamlet]

do you remember that guy who asked for pushing advice on a glitched th12 with rc unlocked

[unreal ocean]

i think i remember that

thats an insane bug

[grave stirrup]

Improved based

[plush orbit]

This is for th13 btw 😅 but my spells were 9 invis and 1 recall and the cc spells can be any I normally used an extra 2 invis

[bitter peak]

I agree

[inner seal]

Good base?

Why can’t I send photos

[fervent bolt]

i would destroy this easily

lol

[fervent bolt]

nah but use the mirror and puppet

[grave stirrup]

I just started yesterday

[fervent bolt]

no problem i was js letting u know

[woeful wave]

yeah i remember some th12s that had rc unlocked

[unreal ocean]

damn thats good bro

try putting the archer tower that’s next to the rock more in the middle

so she doesnt get lonely

also dont spend your gems cause you’re gonna need them for more builders

[grave stirrup]

Giving space for more elixir extractor.

[unreal ocean]

elixir pumps can be alone

but archer tower has an archer

she’s a soul too you know

[grave stirrup]

Yeah, that I know but I just search how much to get the 3 builder hut in the shop I need 3500 gems in total

[versed sonnet]

Anyone have a good layout for th 10?

[west yacht]

there is no good layout

[versed sonnet]

...

[west yacht]

for farming just have all your storages inside

[versed sonnet]

Why?

[west yacht]

and for war spread everything out, thats the best you could do

[west yacht]

cause defenses are weak in that th

couple zap spells and dragons can easily 3 star

[chilly glacier]

Need base tragedy has happened

[sharp delta]

[grave stirrup]

This got to be the most ocd base I ever seen. This is the top player in my country btw.

[mighty hamlet]

average and somewhat popular type of progress base.. what you expected him to have?

[grave stirrup]

Idk

[wary mirage]

For TH18 hydra strategies should dragons be deployed first and then riders? Or vice versa?

Usually I do riders-warden-dragons so warden anchors to the riders

[versed sonnet]

Bruh

[wary mirage]

Are you my former boss?

Same name

[gilded ingot]

any attack strats to 3 star a th 13 as a th 15?

i got duke only

for hero

all others on upgrade

[turbid lion]

Dragons first

Esp if there’s a lot of trash on the outside u don’t wanna deploy driders for a while since they’ll just get ahead and die

[fervent bolt]

th 15 (me, defending) vs max super ultra strong th 18

guess im built diff

heh

[last drift]

why did you cut off the rest of his army

and is this the same one u sent last time

[lime wharf]

LOL

[sleek chasm]

🥀🥀🥀

[unreal ocean]

yeah he had an insane army

im wondering how did he not beat you 🫪

[solid nebula]

Bro I need 600 more glowy to max out my 8th and 9th equipment

[upbeat shard]

How to 3 star this base?

My troops

[bold wharf]

You get rid of the poison lizard.

[oak topaz]

And then you destroy all the buildings afterwards

[upbeat shard]

Just the poison lizards?

[oak topaz]

You need to destroy all the buildings to 3 star

[upbeat shard]

I know

[oak topaz]

Then why would you ask a question you already know the answer to

[upbeat shard]

I mean the strategy to destroy all building wtf

[bold wharf]

I use the rocket backpack and giant arrow, but not together since the combo is hard to pull off and doesn't really set a funnel.

[oak topaz]

To destroy all the buildings you have to 3 star

[bold wharf]

My army works pretty well without the combo.

[turbid lion]

Maybe wait til the layout is actually revealed…

[upbeat shard]

It's the layout he use I can attack already

[turbid lion]

Then just bring 4 quakes and jetpack garrow down the middle

It’s very free

[fervent bolt]

yes

i js wanted to flex it again

[fervent bolt]

like i said im built diff

[last drift]

flex u doing absolutely nothing?

send the replay

[fervent bolt]

i dont need to send you the replay to show that he didnt surrender

[fervent bolt]

how did i do "absolutely nothjng" if i successfully prevented a three star against a max th 18 🤣

as a th 15

[dawn steeple]

Can someone pass me a good base to get defenses in e33

[unreal ocean]

on god

[last drift]

don't glaze this clown

[last drift]

send the replay

[last drift]

please tell me what YOU did to prevent the 3 star

[last drift]

I didn't even mention him surrendering btw

doing anything but sending the replay

[fervent bolt]

you literally did in your previous msg

[fervent bolt]

i jsut cbf recording bro sorry

@last drift i can send you ze screenshot of ze end of ze match if you want

[fervent bolt]

@last drift why are you calling me a clown i legit just said that i successfully defended against a th 18 and now you're mad 🤣

@last drift its okay bro i'd be mad too if i was weak af and unable to defend against a max th 18 it is what it is bro you'll get to my level one day

[fervent bolt]

🙏🙏 dk why ts @last drift clown is so mad, i legit js sent a screenshot of me defending against a th 18 and now he's angry lol

[last drift]

where

[fervent bolt]

buddy got short term memory loss

lmao

[last drift]

I'm not angry I just want you to send replay which u can't seem to do for some reason

[last drift]

show me where

[fervent bolt]

you called me a clown out nowhere gng

lmao

its not my fault you're weak lol

[last drift]

cuz u said you somehow prevented him from 3 starring

[fervent bolt]

because i did 🤣

[last drift]

as if you did anything

tell me what you did

show me where I said anything about surrendering

and send the replay

[fervent bolt]

u could see here that all of his heroes died and had 2 dragons left while my monolith was still there

thats why he surrendered

wrong screenshot

[fervent bolt]

stupid ass 🤣🤣

[last drift]

Just show the replay

[fervent bolt]

its okay bro

you'll get on my level 1 day

[last drift]

what level

[fervent bolt]

no need to be mad and calling me a clown for no reason

[fervent bolt]

i mean i successfully prevented a th 18 using hero potions from 3 starring me so yea i did do smth

🤣

[last drift]

so u did absolutely nothing

as I said before

👍

[fervent bolt]

nah i successfully defended against a max th 18 so i did do smth

[last drift]

why did you delete "in ranked too"

[fervent bolt]

cause the screenshot already shows that it was in ranked

lol

you suck at ragebaiting

[last drift]

u mean u successfully defended against a newborn baby

woah thats such a flex

it really proves how good you are

[fervent bolt]

doesnt matter how he did the attack, u shouldnt be able to fail a 3 star against someone who's 3 th's lower than u lol

its all good bro i'd be jealous too

[last drift]

I mean

[fervent bolt]

it is what it is

[last drift]

if thats what you think then sure

[fervent bolt]

thats how it is

lvl 105 heroes, max lvl drags and e drags, max level siege machines

[last drift]

but I wouldn't be flexing a defense

[fervent bolt]

lol

[last drift]

let's see u 3 star a max th18

[fervent bolt]

lmao what is bro saying

[last drift]

then I'd be impressed

[fervent bolt]

i actually have jsut not maxxed out th 18's

[last drift]

ur the only person I've seen that has flexed a defense

[fervent bolt]

bro all im fighting is th 18's and 17's in titan league i hope u know that

[last drift]

cuz like i said, u dont do anything in defense

[fervent bolt]

probably because im a th 15 and the person who attacked me was a max th 18

stupid

🤣🤣

[fervent bolt]

actually low iq

lmao

[last drift]

ok Jordan Peterson

[last drift]

please tell me what you did in defense to help prevent the 3 star

apart from watching from the sidelines

[fervent bolt]

my clan castle troops and layout

lol

[last drift]

let's see the replay then

[fervent bolt]

i mean i understand if the defense was against a th 16 or a 15

[last drift]

I wanna see them in action

[fervent bolt]

because both are almost identical

but the level difference between th 15 and 18 is huge

let alone a th 18 using hero potions so he's basically maxxed out

lol

[fervent bolt]

maybe later

[last drift]

ok so that means never

[fervent bolt]

nah im about to sleep, ill send it tomorrow

i get your perspective tho but for me its just that u should be able to 3 star someone easily when they're 3 th's lower

ive been 3 star'd by a th 18 with just super barbs lol

in friendly challenges

[last drift]

yes

[stable rose]

Is wiz 12 good for a th12 or nah?

[nimble rune]

What is the best layout for th 11 anti e drag

[mighty hamlet]

its below trash

[unreal ocean]

its great

i was stuck there as a th12

[sullen valve]

Th 15 best army rn

[honest terrace]

RR or hydra

combined with sky wagon

[sullen valve]

Rc charge with hydra

[tardy ridge]

root riders, hydra, super yeti smash, fb super witches, dragon riders, fb rocket loons.

[sullen valve]

Oky

[honest terrace]

FB RL is more of hero walk

[tardy ridge]

but it as an army as any other

[honest terrace]

here you're using heroes to do most of destruction and RL just as support/guidance

RCC hydra atleast your main army does a lot destruction than rather just support

[tardy ridge]

roots is just heroes go destroy roots open up a path

[sick turret]

Anyone got good base for ranked th 11, 12 and 13? Would be very much appreciated

[tardy ridge]

wtf is this

[honest terrace]

thats true

[honest terrace]

carry some loons atleast

[tardy ridge]

so by your own logic roots are also not a true army

[honest terrace]

i didnt say anything about true army

[tardy ridge]

no eq, dark corwn, log launcher on air army

[honest terrace]

just saying bias

[honest terrace]

yeah thats kinda buns haha

[tardy ridge]

I just wanna say that if you differentiate fb rl from armies the roots is with fb rocket loons

[honest terrace]

atleast barracks would make sense for funneling

[tardy ridge]

no earthquake or zaps for garrow backpack is criminal 😭

[honest terrace]

true

[honest terrace]

combining previous comments, you have no loons to tank, wrong siege, no eq or zap to make effective use of the jetpack garrow combo.

[sick turret]

Anyone got a good base for ranked th 11, 12 and 13? Would be very much appreciated

[wintry portal]

Ranked/war base, thoughts?

[lethal wolf]

What is the upgrade priority for defenses in th17

[unreal ocean]

@sonic minnow i dont think the fireball went accoring to the plan

🫪

[sonic minnow]

It didn't

[unreal ocean]

😭

[sonic minnow]

Yeah it's called greed

Watch again

[turbid lion]

I retrapped this base very very slightly and alrdy got a one star out of 3 defenses

I don’t think it’ll continue doing that good but

Base is decent

[frank basin]

I’m gonna try it this next week

@turbid lion did you say only to do the first level of supercharges for the dmg and the hp doesn’t matter? Is that only cuz legends modifiers? What about for war

[turbid lion]

First upgrade is always more value than second. Yes the dmg scales more in modif so it’s better but even for war or anything else dps is better than health

Except for ad just do both they’re all dmg

[frank basin]

Aight will do

[devout bobcat]

is it better to use phoenix or jelly on dragon duke in air dragon riders army ?

[frank basin]

Raven imo

[sonic minnow]

Jelly

Phoenix for mp

[frank basin]

If I use jelly he gets ahead and dies

PHX is on Duke

[devout bobcat]

wdym gets ahead

you dont put with army

[frank basin]

Oh I read Prince

Nvm mb

[sonic minnow]

He always needs to be alone anyways and dies

[devout bobcat]

yeah exactly

[frank basin]

Phx then

[sonic minnow]

Revive clutch

[devout bobcat]

so 1 say phoenix 1 say jelly

because ive been using phoenix while jelly has been upgrading

but now jelly available idk

[sonic minnow]

Jelly duke phoenix mp

[devout bobcat]

yeah okay

mp upgrading too so ill use rc + fox?

or king?

[sonic minnow]

RC fox

[devout bobcat]

thanks

[unreal ocean]

should i go th14? ive got one hero book i could use on the warden

cause one’s waiting for me in the pass anyway

[last drift]

then use it

[bold wharf]

Combo isn’t needed, balloons are by no means a requirement, the siege machine is also correct. The army is both easy to play and strong. If you try it then you’ll see that it is in fact good.

[leaden spoke]

I maxed all my th17 walls in 1 day due to sum recourse event on atm, I’m considering going to th18 and just doing all the walls is it worth it ? I’m basically a maxed th16 I haven’t upgraded any th17 buildings yet

[bold wharf]

Matchups might be a bit harder.

Do you even have the eagle and merged buildings yet?

Eagle upgraded I mean.

[sonic minnow]

Eagle merged with th17

[bold wharf]

Shoot, I thought they were a th16, you're right.

[leaden spoke]

50% building time discount + builder potions can get me thru

[abstract quest]

wrong siege, jetpack garrow with no zap/eq, no funnel

[bold wharf]

Again, correct siege, combo isn't a requirement, and without using the combo then the funnel is perfect. And again, if you haven't played the army then you wouldn't know.

[abstract quest]

whatever u say

just fyi ur running unicorn on ur air warden

[bold wharf]

Well aware.

[abstract quest]

not sure if u were aware but yea ur running uni on air warden

[bold wharf]

You could take the unicorn off if you want to reduce ground traps.

[turbid lion]

wrong siege, jetpack garrow with no zap/eq, no funnel

[abstract quest]

damn everyones saying the same thing

[bold wharf]

Now y'all are just trolling.

[abstract quest]

but dont knock it till u try it i guess

[bold wharf]

Sent it to a friend and he said he won 10 in a row.

[turbid lion]

I copy pasted ur msg bc idk what’s good I just trust u

[bold wharf]

He also went perfect in ranked with it last week.

[abstract quest]

my brother i won 10 in a row with 10 healers and an edrag

[bold wharf]

He almost went perfect in ranked this week but lost connection on a single match.

[abstract quest]

stars (had 6/12 top spots on the leaderboard) has 4 eq and sky wagon

[turbid lion]

just fyi ur running unicorn on ur air warden

not sure if u were aware but yea ur running uni on air warden

[abstract quest]

plus its hydra with idrags for funneling

[bold wharf]

I find hydra or dragon riders to be pointless.

[abstract quest]

meanwhile this guys saying run some bum ahh drag spam + prayers

[turbid lion]

I tried his army it’s kinda crazy

[bold wharf]

Prayers are taking out th17's.

[abstract quest]

best legends player for a reason

[turbid lion]

I don’t think I’m skilled enough to hit the value from 4 eqs consistently enough but it is nice on some bases

[abstract quest]

i looked at the legends leaderboard out of curiosity and its just stars 10 times over

my bad for even thinking about the game

[turbid lion]

Diff him w lalo

[abstract quest]

hell nah

[bold wharf]

My army is built to be easy to play since fireball is too difficult for me to figure out.

[turbid lion]

just fyi ur running unicorn on ur air warden

[abstract quest]

just fyi ur running unicorn on ur air warden

[bold wharf]

Fyi I considered not, but I'm too damn lazy.

Since my heroes have been upgrading I've been running a farming army with the king using the stick horse and the yak, but I'm too lazy to put a different pet on him.

[wary mirage]

Hydra is one of the top armies that pros have been using. It’s been a game changer for me. The riders destroy defenses quickly which means less damage to your army

[wary mirage]

Thanks for the advice on dragon rider/dragon deployment order earlier 🍻

[bold wharf]

Regardless, my army works pretty well in clearing bases quickly and doesn't need cleanup.

I could definitely look at some hydra armies, but I'm not too keen on trying them out.

[wary mirage]

Glad you got some stuff that works for you, that’s the important thing, hydras a lot of fun for me, all you need is 5 riders 10 dragons with a good amount of totem spells and a revive for ur Duke and you can 3 star maxed th18s pretty consistently

[wary mirage]

If you do ever wanna check it out here’s a Good guide : https://youtu.be/xmDfHHtwbI4?si=iC5ZJP8Q2S6HwrOD

Tbh you don’t need all different spells like what’s in the guide, all totems and 1 revive is all that’s needed. Oftentimes I don’t even need the revive

[tardy ridge]

What th and leage you in?

I can assume th15 because of pets and cc space

And leave I have no info of

[cerulean lake]

Hi everyone

Anyone a th18 in here.. legendary 3

[exotic moth]

Yes.

Can someone help with his layout. My rocket bagpack is only level 17 tho

[versed sonnet]

Anyone have good base layout for th 14

??

[lone trail]

Dont mind rocket backpack before level 20. Use stun blaster instead

[unreal ocean]

whats a better use of book once i am th14? cc or eagle?

cc only has 1 more spell storage

eagle upgrade is a day longer tho

[wary mirage]

Cc is better, one more spell storage is good value

Being able to carry an extra totem, freeze, poison, whatever spell is ideal

[lime wharf]

ofc the balance changes are here

[unreal ocean]

yeah i was thinking of that

[woeful wave]

Didnt you just upgrade to th13

Why are you already th14

[tulip adder]

Does anyone have this base's link ? Pls share it.

[unreal ocean]

my heroes are maxed

[marble delta]

Chat how to 3star this one with a TH13 ?

[woeful wave]

Alr then i guess its fine

[woeful wave]

Fireball superwitches

[sonic minnow]

Fireball 🔥

[queen crater]

why the hell did they gut giant arrow

[sonic minnow]

High th downscale
Low th upscale?

[wary mirage]

Wow they just announced a debuff to dragon riders but they’ve left throwers to be the easiest strategy in the game

Why are throwers being left alone while they’re nerfing other stuff?

[marble delta]

What's the best value for fireball

I was thinking at 6 or maybe at monolith

And the flame flinger at 9

[unreal ocean]

yeah and important buildings and defenses

only weak defenses are left

mortars, bomb towers, cannons

and teslas

aight done

hero hall, th, cc, lab, pet house

lessgo

[sonic minnow]

12 or 6 path to eagle

Leave 1 invis comp to rc

[last drift]

I feel like th14 is a quick one

the only new thing u get is pet house

[unreal ocean]

yeah and another 25 damn walls 😭😭

[sonic minnow]

It's just 2 months if u are max th13

[unreal ocean]

ima max the owl and unicorn + heroes and important defenses then going for 15

[sonic minnow]

With gp