willow vessel
As stated above its my first time ever painting something, Im using gore grunta fur contrast paint from citadel and i primed the statue with chaos black from citadel,
How ever after painting it it still looks basicly black, im wondering if im doing something wrong or maybe i need other paint.
the objects are 3d printed using PLA
Im going to grab immages with phone now give me a moment
reference image for color
doesn't ave to be 100% exact since im still learning but heres the issue
left is unpainted right is painted, no flashlight just regular light coming from the window
left is unpainted right is painted with flashlight from phone
unless i use a flashlight to really brighten it up you can barely see a difference.
NOTE: the paint is still drying but im just confused as to why the color is barely visible without a really bright light.
any advice/tips are welcome.
as for "brushing technique" I tried to go from top to bottom with my strokes where possible but it could better be described as "random brushing" for the bottom/up-sidedown places or the other weird angles. I can provide a closer up image incase there are better ways of applying contrast paint.
i did notice that on the staircase part the paint was pooling at the bottom, but when i tried to use my brush to remove/reduce it, it didn't seem to do much. im not sure how "ugly/bad" it will look dried.
the one thing i tought was maybe i should use white primer instead but i have no clue how much this matters or if it even helps. Also if i decide to do white can I spray my white primer over the statue that already has black primer but isn't painted yet? or is double primer bad?
peak nest
Hello friend!
Contrast paint is transparent, and does not work like regular paint. Contrast paint works best over light colours such as white, grey, or tan.
What many people do is they spray their mini all over in black, and then spray it with a light colour, usually white or light grey, from above to simulate light from a sky above.
This is called "Zenithal highlighting" or "Zenithal priming".
This leaves black in the recesses so your shadows are dark, and makes top facing surfaces bright.
Double priming is not really an issue, just take care not to spray too thick. Too thick would be if the primer starts pooling in recesses and clogging up details.
As a personal note, I wouldnt use things like contrast paints or washes on prints with a lot of layer lines. Contrast paints and washes are very runny, and they want to seek out and settle in every little nook and cranny. This means that those kinds of paints will emphasize all the layer lines and other texture on the mini, by making them darker.
willow vessel
I see, so 1st recommendation is using white primer instead, and 2nd is using a different type of paint, any recommendations for beginners?
let me go check on them after drying for a bit
its way to dark, wondering if i can still using white primer over the one that a already painted with contrast paint to maybe that way try again :S
peak nest
I assume that since you have access to contrast paints you have access to other Citadel paints, and they have a few different "kinds" of paint pots. Youre already familiar with the contrast paints, but they also offer what is called "Base" paints and "Layer" paints, the type is printed on the pot. Ill add a picture. These are opaque paints that will cover any colour surface with enough layers of paint.
I dont know the exact differences between base and layer paints but base paints are usually more opaque and a little thicker, while layer paints can be a little more transparent and a little thinner, but it varies from colour to colour. Ive had thick layer paints and thin base paints.
Another brand is Vallejo, many people use their "Game color" range or the "Model color" range.
There is also a brand called The Army painter, but the truth is no one brand is better. I use all three of those brands for my painting, and there are even more brands that I have no experience with. As long as its acrylic paint, you should be able to paint a mini with it.
You should be able to just put another layer of primer over the mini.
A rule of thumb with contrast paint is that it can usually only make your mini darker, not brighter.
As you can see, the type of paint is printed next to the name on the pot, so keep an eye out for that when youre picking paints.
crimson jacinth
Just to add to all the excellent advice above “layer” and “base” are just arbitrary terms Citadel use. There’s no functional difference between the two.
willow vessel
just a note, im still reading but only reason i bought contrast paint was cuz someone said it would be easy to start with
crimson jacinth
Yeah, that’s a common misconception. Contrast style paints are no easier. You get a different result from one coat of paint, so it can be a faster approach and you don’t have to worry as much about thinning which I guess is why people deem it easy.
But it comes with it’s own host of unique challenges in stead, so it’s still a thing you need to learn.
willow vessel
I see, but if you look at the reference image above, not all colors need to be perfect but what would be the style of paint / color that would be? i have no clue how to figure out what would be the right color. with gore grunta fur it seems to be to dark, but buying all the kinds of paint untill i find the right one seems quite expensive :S
is there a website that you can use to figure out what would be the right color? because i dont really have a warhammer store with all the different paints to look at, its just a small store with like 20 colors or so
willow vessel
ill try getting white primer, and than try again with the same paint or maybe find a lighter brown paint, is there any other types of paint you would recommend that i can get from a general paint store? since as i said i dont really have miniture painting stores nearby.
peak nest
The beauty of painting, to me, is that there is never a "right answer". There is rarely a perfect colour that matches what youre trying to paint exactly, but it also rarely matters. Your brain isnt going to really know the difference between that exact shade of brown and something that is close enough.
Things are rarely one single colour, so as long as you get it close enough it will "read" as what youre going for. What I would do is grab a few different browns of varying value (light/dark) and try to get the dark browns in the shadows and light browns on the highlights. You can see it in the reference pic you added, the lower facing surfaces are a different brown from the top facing surfaces.
When it comes to websites it depends a bit on where you are located, Im sure there is some hobby shops somewhere in the country you live in so you should be able to order from there, you might have to do some research. The hard part is knowing what the paints look like, online pics rarely represent the colour well.
Citadel has their own website, but they are pretty expensive. Ill add a link to their website.
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/build-and-paint-lp
Since I live in sweden, I usually order from hobby shops located somewhere in Sweden. You could probably google "Hobbyshop in yourcountryhere" and hopefully find something near you!
willow vessel
just a quick update decided on the following:
Going to reprime is using wraithbone for a white base.
Than paint the arms using citadel mournfang brown base
paint the maint body in the middle using Thondia brown hoping to create the slighty lighter color variantion as seen in image.
but than i'm stuck at finding a color for the little rock hes standing on and holding
the white grayish rock. was thinking of Citadel Celestra Grey(but its out of stock anyone got any ideas?)
thanks in advance ❤️
worldly dew
the white grayish rock. was thinking of Citadel Celestra Grey(but its out of sto...
Some kind of bone colour could work if you want to use normal paints, morghast bone maybe.
willow vessel
Another question, When using base paints from citadel like Thondia Brown, lets say i want to make it a lighter brown can i just use any white paint for that? or does it need to be a specific kind? like acrylic or something, or can i just so any white paint from any brand/type for that?
crimson jacinth
Another question, When using base paints from citadel like Thondia Brown, lets s...
Yeah, you can mix any water based acrylics regardless of brand.