#Oil not sticking to mini

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patent flame
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I've recently been dabbling into painting more with oils and I love the results. However, the paint just doesn't seem to stick to it. Even after a varnish the oil just rubs off very easily when I touch it. Any tips?

I use Abteilung 502 oils, regular thinners for oils and AKs Ultra Matte varnish.

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tacit sigil
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How long are you leaving it to cure?

patent flame
tacit sigil
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Oils can take up to a week to dry if you're using them as a paint not as a wash

patent flame
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Even when thinned down?
Cuz I've seen people paint over them after a few hours.

tacit sigil
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With acrylics or more oils? It really depends on exactly which oils you're using, if you're adding anything to speed the drying time etc

patent flame
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Well I'll try around more and hopefully get somewhere with shorter drying times, thanks mate

pliant tiger
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Which 'regular thinners for oils'? There's quite a lot of very different types. If unsure can you provide a product photo?

patent flame
pliant tiger
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This one?

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I don't think this product has any drying accelerator in it like the 'fast dry medium' does. That means your wash time can vary depending on the pigment, though it will be somewhat faster than applying the paint neat because you've thinned the paint out. Still the wash could take days.
If you are painting over the wash with more oil paint and using a solvent (like thinner) this could also cause the underlayer to reactivate. In theory the acrylic varnish should stop that from happening, but maybe it isn't for some reason.

tacit sigil
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AK ultra matte is notoriously fragile right?

pliant tiger
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I've heard that, but I haven't used it in this application myself.

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I use the VMS Oil Expert, which has a matting agent and a fast dry agent (alkyd). I've yet to find another product that does both. Adding several drops speeds my wash drying time to 24 hours (probably less, but my process is wash > clean > stop for the day)

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But if you add too many drops, the matting agent settles into the recesses. This can be fixed with varnish though.

random lodge
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So 8 hours can often be enough to paint over, especially if airbrushing

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Thinners do speed up the drying time as you are effectively reducing the oil content

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That said, even though you can paint over, the paint can still easily rub off, and if you are varnishing over paint that isnt cured you are making it dry much more slowly

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So id also question why you are varnishing over the top if the plan is to paint over anyway

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