ZornhubAlong Jan-Feb 2023

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Paint a model using the Zorn Color palette ( white, black, vermillion red, ochre yellow) * it the specified color isn't available use something as close as you can to keep with the theme.

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ZornhubAlong Jan-Feb 2023

[shrewd sapphire]

Yes please

[shrewd sapphire]

awful lonely in here @wise horizon @thorn latch

[thorn latch]

lol

I don't have a plan yet

[shrewd sapphire]

paint a mini with the zorn palette. do it

I don't know which mini I'll paint yet either 🙂

[wise horizon]

I also don't have a plan yet but ill probably select from.some of the minis I already have printed

With no idea or purpose 🤣

[edgy oriole]

I’m gonna do my Pina dwarven miner, i think. Don’t really have much plan for it yet though

[shrewd sapphire]

yeah i think dwarves will look great with the zorn palette

[thorn latch]

Still gotta pick a model XD

[wise horizon]

Same but I'm sure one will just fit

[shrewd sapphire]

Just commenting here to see if this PAL will show up in my sidebar. Not sure why it doesn’t 🤷‍♂️

Ok it came back after posting this message 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ what a time to be alive

[thorn latch]

Yeah if you don't post in a thread for a bit it drops off your tracking list @shrewd sapphire

[shrewd sapphire]

that's unfortunate. Is that configurable perhaps?

[tough frost]

Would it count if the visible crew of a vehicle (but not the vehicle) were painted zorn?

[wise horizon]

Technically if you only submit the crew as your entry that's fine. You could submit the vehicle separately

😊

[tough frost]

the crew legs are part of the vehicle model

(I've never done one of these before.)

[wise horizon]

Oh no worries. I mean technically yeah it's fine if you just want to do the dude 😊

[tough frost]

Ok, ty

[wise horizon]

There is no minimum size or required specific model for this pal

[tough frost]

While researching vermilion, I learned the original pigment was cinnibar, or mercury disulfide. I thought this was interesting.

[shrewd sapphire]

yeah there's no chance to find an actual vermillion red nowadays. I think if you really want to try to come close, then a red leaning toward orange (rather than purple) would be the way to go

[tough frost]

My preferred paint brand lists quinacridone red as a replacement for vermilion red, so that's what I plan to use.

[warm flame]

I'll do another of this general idea. Enjoyed it last time.

[tough frost]

I've located the red and yellow ochre in my paint stash. Hopefully they're still good.

[tough frost]

I'm using the black so didn't bring it or the white for photo

Hmmm... I prime black. Maybe I'll use zinc white for this to see how it works

[shrewd sapphire]

zinc white tends to be very transparent making it helpful for mixing. I don't think there'd be anything wrong in using a zinc white when needed for mixing/transparency and a better covering white like a titanium when needed for opacity

[edgy oriole]

I need clean the model I’m using for this. It’s got the start of the last paint job I attempted on it.

[unborn pebble]

Are two of these adequate for this PAL?

[edgy oriole]

Your blood red and bronze flesh shade look closest. Might mix oddly for the purposes of this one

[tough frost]

Oh, this starts in january

[wise horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-husky-soon-gif-7801078

I need to pick a model for this 🙃 and I'm going to try to do something that I already have printed

[tough frost]

I might do my space marine vindicator. Still in shrink wrap. 20 years old

[shrewd sapphire]

Oh noes. Still haven’t decided what model to paint

[mild wing]

I still haven't learnt what a Zorn is lul

I have yellow ochre. But vermillion red is expensive lol. I have cadmium, Winsor (hue?), Or alizarin.

[unborn pebble]

Thx, i'll try to swash that and see if buying paint has an excuse.

[edgy oriole]

Cadmium or cadmium hue are your best substitute. Ideally you’d want pyrrole red/scarlet lake. Vermilion has orange-yellow undertones.

[mild wing]

Oh, the winsor says its Pyrrole, would that be good then?

[edgy oriole]

Yeah, it or the cadmium would work

[mild wing]

Cheers. Gonna try out the cadmium tonight maybe!

Very exciting new paints.

[edgy oriole]

You also typically want ivory black because it’s more transparent than lamp black, but either should work

[mild wing]

Ivory is the one I have luckily then

I can't imagine what kinda person I'd be to have so many varieties of all these colours haha

[shrewd sapphire]

The Zorn palette is a limited palette attributed to Anders Zorn https://www.jacksonsart.com/blog/2021/02/02/colour-mixing-exploring-the-zorn-palette/

[tough frost]

TY for the link! I'm still deciding what minis to paint for this. If I wanted something shiny, could I use a pearlescent white and be within the PAL?

[spiral silo]

That sounds strange, so yes I want to see how it works.

[paper inlet]

wip zorn dude.

[edgy oriole]

Looks cool. Few days early for this one though 😉

[paper inlet]

oh rats! Ok slight deficit of attention on my part. I will count him as practice and do a different mini. I think he is one of a pair.

[tough frost]

Christmas feels like the end.

[wise horizon]

It really does I'm over here twitching not to start January stuff lol

[warm flame]

Still plenty of
Stuff to finish thay is within this period...

[wise horizon]

Oh yeah I have 2 PALs left before the new year but I'm excited to start the January stuff

[tough frost]

I'm going to zorn my unpainted close combat scouts.

I can prime tomorrow, right?

[edgy oriole]

You can build and prime anytime. No other paint until after

[tough frost]

👍

[edgy oriole]

Back to black…and white

[wise horizon]

Omg his tiny friend

[edgy oriole]

One of the best things about any of the spira mirabilis sculpts. They have some form of little guy hanging around

[chilly horizon]

oh no... how did I miss this? I was even painting zorn back in november (only the skin though obviously, not the pink hair and loincloth)

lol, first image I tried to post, from behind was flagged by the bot as explicit and didn't allow me to post 😂

I guess that's a good review 😅

[edgy oriole]

Well you haven’t missed it. It started yesterday so you’ve got plenty of time to do a full Zorn mini

[chilly horizon]

so you have to do the whole thing? can't just cherrypick the skin like here even if most of the mini is skin?

[edgy oriole]

Yup, full model in only Zorn

[chilly horizon]

Hmmm... I wonder if I can find another elf from this team that doesn't need the pink 🤔

[warm flame]

Pink is possible. maybe not the exact same pink....

[chilly horizon]

true, but it's an entire bloodbowl team that are planned to have that magenta pink in their scheme, but I could just glaze the magenta back in after the paintalong 😂

that actually made my choice for what to do with the boots easier too... I'd just do the greenish brown you get from mixing yellow ochre with black ^^

[edgy oriole]

Futzing around trying to add some value and undertones to the skin

[wise horizon]

Omg that cute Lil nose

[edgy oriole]

The little mole buddy is adorable

[shrewd sapphire]

so many of these sculpts remind me of Robin Williams

[wise horizon]

I still need to pick my mini for this

[edgy oriole]

I definitely felt like I was struggling as I started the mole. But now he’s getting to be fun

[pallid jacinth]

Wow I need to figure out my paints for this!

[tough frost]

I primed the minis I'm using for this

[edgy oriole]

I’m tired of coming back to this today so I think I’ll call it quits for now

I think need to redo his skin tones a bit to bring them down and make the candlelight pop

[wise horizon]

It's a pretty great piece and I'm impressed considering the colors available for the challenge 🥹

[edgy oriole]

It’s surprisingly versatile. I can see why Zorn chose the combo

[pallid jacinth]

Same

Is pretty amazing

[edgy oriole]

Short hobby day today. But this is where I’m at

[pallid jacinth]

Wtf

That shirt

That’s incredible

[shrewd sapphire]

Lookin good! 👌

[mild wing]

Looking noice

[edgy oriole]

Working on some texturing

And that’s a better white balanced version. I’ll probably need to switch to Lightroom for the final shots to keep the camera from autojuicing the reds

[edgy oriole]

Couldn’t put the brush down. I think I’m happy with just about everything. Need to reconsider the pick I was struggling with the mix of lighting + NMM there

Probably need to tone down the hair in the back too now that I look at it

[edgy oriole]

Rather than continue to futz around and mess up what I already like about it I’m going to call it finished.

[wise horizon]

I'm inspired to pick a good model for this challenge now. 💖

[pallid jacinth]

Lol same you did incredible

I’m so impressed

I need to pick a good vermillion red and ochre yellow

Would any of these work?

The GSW ochre desert seems decent t

[edgy oriole]

Pyrrole red is similar to napthol red and cadmium. The ochre desert is similar, not sure how this challenge would work without single pigments but it looks like the right shade a

[wise horizon]

Well I don't have single pigments either but will give it a go 😊

[pallid jacinth]

Word the poly pyrolle and desert ochre work?

[pallid jacinth]

Lol same unless they’re easily obtainable but my understanding was basically all mini brand brands were mixes with the exception of like kimera

[edgy oriole]

They aren’t all. And I suspect that desert ochre might be single pigment because that particular yellow is a fairly opaque one

I think a pure white (which will likely be titanium), a black (more likely a carbon than an ivory, so a bit more neutral), the desert ochre and that pyrrole red (which is also probably a single pigment) should do fine

[wise horizon]

I'll check my normal acrylics paints and might use those

[edgy oriole]

May as well. I used straight art acrylics

[wise horizon]

I'll check the ones I have on hand I gave most of them to my mom.

I do need to go to town tomorrow so who knows.. maybe a Lil extra shopping 😏

[chilly horizon]

the kimera base set has good components for it in my experience if that's something you've been considering. The red and the yellow oxide work great imo.

except for the base and the few metallics this is "kimera zorn"

[edgy oriole]

Yeah, the Kimera set is another good one for Zorn

I’d use the toludine from the expansion instead of The Red, but both are good choices

[chilly horizon]

yeah, good shout! my expansion set arrives tomorrow ^^

[mild wing]

I keep forgetting to do this one :c

[wise horizon]

I forgot to get the better paints so I'll use colors as close as possible

[wise horizon]

Starting my Lil dude. The closest colors I have. Note that the red isn't quite that orange

[edgy oriole]

Should be interesting

[wise horizon]

35 mins in

[edgy oriole]

That is a surprisingly vibrant green you got

[wise horizon]

Ty many many layers 🤣

Mind you everything else is so dark right now so might help make it pop

[wise horizon]

Okay so this mini took about 1h45 . It's definitely too small for the big challenge. But it served its purpose. 🙂

(Waifing for it to be properly glued before I take photos )

[edgy oriole]

Yeah, I think this one really benefited from having something larger where I could play with texture (though I need a tripod because my hand shake blurred some of my work). It’s a fun challenge

[wise horizon]

Yeah it would definitely be easier had it been bigger. I should of used the other girl I had originally saved for pinup but oh well c'est la vie

[wise horizon]

Not bad for 1h45 min. Her one foot had a print defect but it's fine 😊

[chilly horizon]

wow, you painted that in 1h45m? that's crazy...

I wouldn't have a base coat in that time

[wise horizon]

Well since I was limited to colors I couldn't spend a lot of time figuring out paint colors. But I worked from black and glazed around it worked pretty well 🙂 had some surprising color mixes and could of pushed it but at this size for the zornhub it's a bit difficult

[chilly horizon]

I must just paint very slowly 🙂

[wise horizon]

Naw I normally paint slower but I was on a mission

[pallid jacinth]

Wait

How did you get it that green?!?

[wise horizon]

The ochre mix a bit of black and glaze it .over black

[pallid jacinth]

WhaaaaaT

[edgy oriole]

Yeah, ochre +black goes sorta green

[pallid jacinth]

Dammmnnn

Who knew

[edgy oriole]

I’m guessing that dork’s ochre had some green pigment in it to get it quite so saturated

Early on with the shirt. I leaned yellow because it went that way as I tried to desaturate with white

That or the AP black has a little blue

[wise horizon]

I think the AP black has some blue because when it isn't mixed correctly it looks blue

[edgy oriole]

Could be a different black pigment too

Probably uses a carbon black

Ivory is a warm black that’s somewhat more transparent. Carbon/lamp black is cooler and more opaque

[pallid jacinth]

Lol I still don’t understand how on earth you did that skin

[edgy oriole]

It’s an awesome palette for white skin

Not sure how other skin tones would go. Swarthy Mediterranean might be as dark as it would reasonably go

[chilly horizon]

it's really what Anders Zorn is known for

[wise horizon]

Magic?

[chilly horizon]

pictures of mainly pale skinned rural swedish women doing various household chores

or like bathing.. saunaing... that type of stuff

for instance

a lot of explicit but not really sexual... like they're not posing they're doing stuff like putting their clothes on in a non-flattering way, getting in the water etc

[pallid jacinth]

Ah yes I always knit in my winter coat in the sauna

[chilly horizon]

clearly cheating and not using only zorn palette there with the green

[edgy oriole]

I mean, he also used other pigments

[chilly horizon]

that's not in a sauna, that's in a cross timbered house 🙂

[pallid jacinth]

Lolol ohhh

[chilly horizon]

yeah, I know. I was making a joke 🙂

[edgy oriole]

Oh I know. We were typing at the same time and yours posted first

But yeah, he had multiple tubes of blue and other “non-Zorn” colors scattered in his studio after he died. He just leaned heavily on that palette which worked for a lot of stuff

[thorn latch]

Toot toot

[wise horizon]

You going to Zorn?

[thorn latch]

Yeah just needed to refresh it on my list haha

[edgy oriole]

🎉

Can’t wait to see yours

[tough frost]

Very nice work so far.

As I work on coming out of a ptsd downturn I've been thinking what to do for this.

The caucasian skin tone of the dwarf miner is amazing. So is the dark tone of the goblin, it looks green to me. If it was black + yellow ochre I wonder if the black has a blue cast to it.

The figures I've set aside for this have exposed flesh. I usually paint brown skin tones. I guess I could start with black + yellow ochre and if that goes green for me I could add red. Or maybe just black + red from the beginning might work too. I don't know that I really understand brown. I really want to do this PAL because I don't usually mix paints. I think it will be good for me to try.

[chilly horizon]

will you be painting brown skin tones now too?

when painting caucasian I usually start with red + black to get a warm shadow where midtone meets shadow (because, there you'll have light sub surface scattering and getting colored by the blood in the tissue), I think some extra ochre in there is probably not a bad idea as more light will be eaten by the melanin.

How I think about it when painting caucasian is that ochre is melanin, red is blood and then modulate light/dark and saturation with black/white. So by that logic, if it still holds up, brown skin would contain more ochre. Then again, there are multiple colors of melanin in skin so finding the right proportion of black in the midtone is probably key.

[tough frost]

Thank you. That's a helpful way to think about things

[edgy oriole]

A few thoughts:
If you’re doing this with accurate paints a green like dork achieved is basically impossible. The traditional black is ivory black which has warm yellowy-brown tones when diluted. It serves to create an illusion of a blue tone because of the strength of the red and ochre.

Mixed with ochre it will form s muddy dark green but it rapidly goes to a grayish beige or a yellow depending on which pigment is more concentrated in your mix.

A carbon/lamp black (which is almost certainly what you’ll have with a hobby paint) is a cool black and will come out much bluer.

As for skin tones. On the miner I started like Robin suggested with a black-red mix. Because I was aiming for a Caucasian tone I then created an ochre-red mix, adding black to desaturate the orange result. Then small amounts of white with ochre or red to adjust the mix as i layered my highlights.

If you wanted a brown skin tone I would try something similar to the leather I did. That was a black-ochre mix to get the muddy green. I then started adding small amounts of red until I got the brown I wanted. Highlights consisted more of ochre and a little red with only tiny bits of white added. On skin I might consider using more white and then glazing one of the darker mixes back over to tint. The black-red base is still a good starting point for any human skin.

[shrewd sapphire]

trying to decide between one of these two previous free mini of the month models for this PAL

[wise horizon]

I love dino boy

[shrewd sapphire]

yeah! and he might be kinda cool in red or maybe the zorn olive drab

[wise horizon]

Or both

[shrewd sapphire]

ok yes. gonna do lizard lips. not sure what color yet but

[shrewd sapphire]

i'll save shooty guy for a different PAL

this will be interesting now that I'm obsessed with purple shadows 😱

[wise horizon]

Oooooo yes purple shadows are Bae

[edgy oriole]

I second (third?) lizard boy

[chilly horizon]

We definitely want to see a creepy human skin tone lizard. Or you make the lizard ochre-green and the shield made of a patchwork of human skin
;D

[shrewd sapphire]

are you commissioning this piece? 50€ per hour and I'm a very slow painter

[chilly horizon]

😬

[edgy oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/silenceofthelambs-lotion-wildbill-it-rubs-gif-5239848

[chilly horizon]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn6qKfOtfM1/
@shrewd sapphire actually, imagine instead of turqoise it goes into yellowochre-greenbrown

miniatureartacademy

Hey! Borjammer al aparato!
Me he venido muy arriba con los nuevos Seraphon, así que voy a grabar un proceso de wargame nuevo donde podréis ver como pinto eslizones a mi manera! Estará antes de que salga la nueva gama así que no os lo perdáis!

Hey! Borjammer here!
I am SO excited about the new Seraphon that I’ve decided to record a new proces...

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[shrewd sapphire]

That would be cool. I like the original here too. Will probably start on this project next week 🤓

[summer belfry]

Oooh, I'll have to see if I have a suitible black for this. Every other time I've done zorn I've done it with super dark blue instead of black. Will be interesting to see how that changes the outcome.

[wise horizon]

My black was a blackish blue and made some.cool colors overall. But excited to see how yours turns out

[summer belfry]

I used to use abyssal blue from scalecolor. Is that too blue?

I'm not sure the only pictures really show how blue it is, cause it looks pretty black, but I can full mix purple with it

[edgy oriole]

Looks pretty blue

But it is the darkest color in their NMM steel set

So 🤷‍♂️

[summer belfry]

Yeah, I'm not at home so I can post photos. To me it's definitely a blue, but in schemes it reads at black when there isn't true black(which I don't really like painting with straight)

[edgy oriole]

The whole point of Zorn is using a black to read as blue though

[summer belfry]

I'm not sure I'd say it's the whole point but it's certainly something you can do

[edgy oriole]

Well, using a definite blue is pretty against the spirit IMO. It’s meant to be a 2-color palette. Up to the mods I suppose

[wise horizon]

Technically it should be black paint to keep up in the spirit. Even if it is used to look like blue 😊

[summer belfry]

Yeah, I'm gonna have a loot at what I have

[mild wing]

I could use the colours in the Kimera base set for this?

[shrewd sapphire]

Their yellow oxide is pretty perfect. Their red is not as orangey as a vermillion but I’d definitely say it’s close enough

[mild wing]

Oh cool, maybe I'll be able to do this then haha

[chilly horizon]

Hmm... I wonder if I'm stupid if I try painting a model that's like 80% steel with zorn 😄

Can create both cold and warm browns... perhaps is enough to make the steel interesting? 😄

[edgy oriole]

Sounds like a fun challenge

[chilly horizon]

Maybe? Feels like I’m chickening out with the chroma though

[edgy oriole]

Feels like it’s working. It seems relatively cold but could make a good counterpoint if you treat her chest like it’s covered in brocade over the armor?

And kept her skin and the brocade to warm tones

[chilly horizon]

ah... I was going to go with some desaturated brass/gold but treating it like brocade is an interesting idea

[edgy oriole]

Yeah, I know most people treat it like a metal, but the trim by the armpit feels like it could be a fabric cover over metal if you wanted it

[chilly horizon]

Ok, i’m liking it

[summer belfry]

Nice

[chilly horizon]

going with ochre bias for the light side and red bias for the (ground) bounce light

[summer belfry]

I think all my blacks are carbon blacks lol really narrows down the choice for me lol

[chilly horizon]

Sketch-sketch-sketch

[shrewd sapphire]

Nice 👌

[chilly horizon]

oh yeah, should post it here ofc 😄

[chilly horizon]

I need to paint more busts, loving this

[wise horizon]

It looks great Robin

[warm flame]

Decided on a figure for this challenge. Will see if I can get it done in time.

[warm flame]

Made a start. Wash of black/red mix plus water in case anyone is wondering.

Highlight on the green is too white. I may have to redo once dry.

[shrewd sapphire]

Love this old school sculpt. Where is it from?

[chilly horizon]

reminds me of the old sorceror art from 80s talisman 🙂

ah, sorry... "wizard"

[warm flame]

Current from satyr arts studio. @shrewd sapphire one of those companies that do 'oldhammer style'

And I think it's a bit closer than 'reminds' 🙂 @chilly horizon

[shrewd sapphire]

cool thanks!

[chilly horizon]

yeah, didn't realize how verbatim it was until I dug up the image 😄

[summer belfry]

I can't decide between the punks maybe the guy with the robot for the different textures

[warm flame]

Having said that the green didn't turn out well, once the wash that I had put on it in the last photo dried it somehow looked great. I'm not complaining at all.

[chilly horizon]

what do you guys think of this color scheme? I'm mainly worried the chest thingie will be too distracting with no other so purely red elements.

I might not be able to achieve that hair color with the palette but some kind of reddish hair should be possible.

I considered giving her raven black hair, but that feels like a total no-go with the chest plate, which I guess I'm not married too... but then I'd need to desaturate it and then I'm basically down to monochrome which feels like it's defeating the whole purpose

[warm flame]

Keep the red hair.

[warm flame]

I think I'm done. Thoughts?

[shrewd sapphire]

Fantastic! Great use of the palette. Scroll is

[shrewd sapphire]

Love this mock-up. I guessing you could get pretty close color match on the hair. I def love it as it is but if the red on the armor isn’t speaking to you then maybe go for a green gold vibe?

[chilly horizon]

I mean... I like how it looks, and I imagine it needs the warmth with all the cold steel...

perhaps I should just check again how it looked with pure gold or change the red to steel.

[chilly horizon]

…and now time to paint gold filigree until I go insane.

[wise horizon]

It's looking great tbh

[chilly horizon]

thanks! was hoping to manage to get to a paint-everywhere-state before tomorrow to be able to submit it for the monument hobbies january challenge, but I suspect it might be a lost cause considering I haven't even glued on the sword yet 😂

I mean... there's literally no way, I don't even have a clue yet how I'm supposed to paint this finely textured chainmail... would it be cheating to use a black oil wash to get the holes back after unavoidably fill them with grey paint? 😂

[edgy oriole]

I thought that was a rough wool cloak

[wise horizon]

She doesn't need a sword 🤣

Sculpt a marshmallow and poke it on the toothpick

[chilly horizon]

well, at least swords are pretty fast, painted a bunch on my elves so I think I can do them by the numbers at this point... but that might be hubris since I don't have access to any blue this time 😂 SHOOOOULD be the same right? 😄

[chilly horizon]

the thought has struck me. the box art has it as metal though... but like, why on earth would you wear chainmail as a cloak? on top of platemail also.

[edgy oriole]

And why would it flow like that

[chilly horizon]

true... it's also kind of torn

which I guess you can tear chainmail but...

why do 50% of all miniatures have torn cloaks? 😂

(because it looks cool obviously, but it is a bit of an overused trope)

[edgy oriole]

Being sexy is hard

[chilly horizon]

especially when wearing platemail that adequately protects your chest!

[edgy oriole]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAv3m-znApt/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Check how Z did it when he painted her

[chilly horizon]

hmm..

purple metal?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGU8oKmn7o5/

I'm not even going to comment this.

kanaev1978

Iron hearth 1/12 scale bust. Comission work, not for sale

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it's a shame ironheart is some marvel character, it's impossible to search for this mini on insta >_<

I really wish they allowed you to search for multiple tags and get the intersection

[edgy oriole]

It looks to me like z ignored the texture and painted in volumes like it was fabric

Kirill too. Except he painted the individual strands of the weave

[chilly horizon]

kirill's reads very much as metal to me

most ppl on pinterest seem to be painting it in somekind of maybmetacloth

but actually... I wonder if maybe I can just get away with drybrushing it

[edgy oriole]

It’s just…physics screams it must be cloth

[chilly horizon]

mithril!

I mean, you're not wrong.

tbh, I think kirill just painted it metal because he can.

the reflection on that middle fold...

I think I'll attempt some yolo-drybrushing, regardless if I go metal or cloth

[edgy oriole]

It was also private commission, so maybe what the client wanted

[chilly horizon]

what could go wrong? 😄

tru true

I actually don't like his version. I mean, it is masterfully painted... I just don't like the color choices

or the eyes really

this... this is what metal looks like, no darn checkerboard gradient everywhere. I've been trying to be brave and paint metal like this... but it's so easy that it just looks flat grey if you don't do it in the right place and with everything around it selling the metal

[edgy oriole]

Sure. But do you really want to spend the next month perfecting the metal?

[chilly horizon]

oh, I don't mean for this model, I mean in general.

dare to have larger areas with maximum value because they're flat and reflecting something far away like the sun.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnqITAGqKhY/

I've been trying to push it more and more with my elves... but it's hard.

radonskadat

Some late night banner painting :)

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I mean... I'm not sure it's actually HARD, but it requires faith in the process I might not have 🙂

[edgy oriole]

I mean…better still than me. I just gave up on the pick for my miner

[chilly horizon]

I only compete against myself 🙂 If I beat past self, I'm happy (though not satisfied as past Robin keeps getting better)

thankfully he fucks up now and then and regresses or plateaus... otherwise it'd been rough.

[chilly horizon]

I’m going to need a scanning electron microscope to refine this filigree 😬

[shrewd sapphire]

Looks really nice! 👍

[chilly horizon]

I think it’s sword-time :)

Oops, i cut the cloak :)

[chilly horizon]

Thanks 😅

[chilly horizon]

Awwwyeah, it’s time!

(Holy shit this sword is huge)

(Sorry for the spam)

[wise horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-thats-what-she-said-gif-20446601

[chilly horizon]

darn... it's getting too late, think I'll have to give up for today... so close though...

Next step:

[edgy oriole]

Very nice bloom on the sword

[chilly horizon]

I hope it's clear that the sword-blade is a digital sketch, we'll see if I can pull it off in real life 🙂

I have to say, I kind of like the ochre yellows contrasted with the reddish browns for steel, more so than I thought I would. It gives a kind of "raw" feel to the steel. Though only having those two modulations does paint you into a corner sometimes where you've used them and want a third hue for light coming from another direction.

[summer belfry]

Of course I changed my mind at the last second... Sketching my brush as well for a challenge, and to make it a bit simpler with the weather atm.

[summer belfry]

Playing around. So keen

[shrewd sapphire]

loving this sketch!

[chilly horizon]

this is what I should start doing more.

Stop putting microscopic blotches on the palette and actually build a proper matrix of mixes that I can sample from

[paper inlet]

this is spectacular!

[chilly horizon]

Gold time 🙂

[chilly horizon]

I feel it (the gold) is kind missing contrast and I have no idea how to paint this type of ruby, but I think it’s time to move on 🙂

[summer belfry]

Yeah it's been super helpful, and because each blob was a ratio the levels are super easy to recreate if I need. Obviously it's not all the combinations, but a helpful jumping off point

[chilly horizon]

yeah, I have this bad habit of just mixing super small spots so I have to remix the same mix over and over

[summer belfry]

Haha yep. My tiny blobs get more and more watered down till I can't use them too

Managed to get some good blocking done in the hours before it was far too late in the night. I miss cool tints, but otherwise pretty happy with it so far. She has some environmental lighting on the back side that I might also bring to the front, not sure yet.

[unborn pebble]

This back light is insane, love it!

[chilly horizon]

hah, tell me about it! trying to paint steel without blue felt like having one arm behind my back. It did however force me into using pushing the red into things and then using the ochre + black as kind of a cool-counterpart which actually worked better than I thought it would

the OSL on the leg looks so good

[summer belfry]

yeah, I'm thinking of really leaning into the "city on fire" vibes for this one, and just go super warm

[chilly horizon]

a fitting mini for it ^^

[summer belfry]

So much happier with more. Going to have to stop myself going overboard with it also my phone picked up her face as a face to focus on, always a proud moment.

[shrewd sapphire]

Sketchy basecoats

[chilly horizon]

Not liking the off side of the blade, feels like a lost a lot of contrast. Think I either need to tone it down or tone it up

[chilly horizon]

interesting red shade there on the underside of the weapon... in general though, looks like it'll be a very naturalistic lizardman

[mild wing]

Add some of the red into the reflections shadows maybe? I think it looks pretty convincing

[shrewd sapphire]

Let’s see how it goes. I like to do lots of washes and glazes for color depth. I’ll probably push the skin more toward yellow ochre with just hints of green but it’s really all an experiment especially with this guy. The weapon is basecoated in a light grey, then I did a thin wash of red+black just to help define the recesses.

I shoulda posted my colors. I’m using:

• Naphthol red light (PR9, Liquitex HBA)
• Yellow Oxide (PY42, Golden SoFlat)
• (carbon)Black (PBk7, Golden SoFlat)
• Titanium white (PW6, Golden fluid acrylic)

[chilly horizon]

Yes ive actually started doing this, likely need to go further

[summer belfry]

Finished my punk today, just gotta process the final photos. Decided to stop while I was ahead, and not over do it.

[chilly horizon]

Love this, it really invokes a story in my mind.

[summer belfry]

thanks! first time doing some extreme lighting, i think I'm just gonna finish up the other three punks in the same theme cause I love the outcome so much. also then they aren't sitting unpainted for the rest of eternity

[shrewd sapphire]

A little more progress on ol’ lizard lips

[chilly horizon]

wow, that's really cool and so different from what you're used to see lizardmen painted in

[summer belfry]

The collection grows

[shrewd sapphire]

Thanks! I had a slow start with him, but now I'm really having fun trying to get some color out of this palette 🤓

[shrewd sapphire]

Glamor shot of the palette 🤓

[chilly horizon]

cool that you managed to get such nice green. my kimera yellow oxide has become weirdly liquid so I swapped in an AK Golden brown (basically an ochre with maybe a slight bias towards yellow) but it quite quickly becomes quite muddy when mixed with AK black.

actually, the golden brown looks a tad darker than my vallejo yellow ochre, so that might be why too

[shrewd sapphire]

also could be that none of those substitutes are single pigment, leading more quickly to muddy mixes 🤷‍♂️

but yeah, I am pleasantly surprised at the green tones I'm getting. I think it helps to have reddish tones in the shadows to make the green pop a little more. Plus glazing with greens with progressively more ochre

[chilly horizon]

oh yeah, that's definitely the main cause.

but I guess I should try mixing it with charcoal black too just for science 🙂

[chilly horizon]

not sure if all the things I did really made it better but feels like a net positive at least 🙂

[shrewd sapphire]

looking really nice!

[thorn latch]

Doubt I'll get something done for this at this point 😂

[chilly horizon]

20 days left! lots of time ^^

GD is a lie

[shrewd sapphire]

Painted for over an hour tonight despite looking almost exactly like the last update 🫠

[chilly horizon]

haha, classic

[pallid jacinth]

Y’all impressing me immensely with the colors you’re getting

[shrewd sapphire]

Squeezed in about 10 minutes of progress into a 90 minute session

[chilly horizon]

I squeezed in no noticeable progress on maybe... 2½ hours? ;D

also managed to botch the edge highlights. there's a really anoying convex grind on the sword that's too small to paint but looks bad if you edge highlight >_<

[pallid jacinth]

How do you fix the bitch other than painstakingly? I botched some recently lol

[chilly horizon]

Enough for tonight!

[shrewd sapphire]

Will try to at least three quarter ass this base instead of half assing it.

[chilly horizon]

nice, what type of environment are you going for?

shit, I think I made the sun glare in the eye too strong/big >_<

[chilly horizon]

trying to get a little tone of red in the reflection but it's making the entire hair look brown...
I wonder if I made the non-black area too big and need to go all the way to the peak highlight before I evaluate it... perhaps doing it entirely monochrome first and then try to add the red?

I think I need to just cover all the black primer with my matte black also because this image is actually not looking as bad as when I'm staring into the glare of the black primer 😂

[mild wing]

On the hair? I think it looks good in muted tones.

[chilly horizon]

I want it muted, but to me it's reading as brown and I want it to read as black.. I suspect more of the hair just needs to be pure black

maybe I should only add the red at all in the areas where sun is passing through the hair rather than reflecting off it

[shrewd sapphire]

I’m waffling between reddish American southwest and semi-jungle ruins

[chilly horizon]

both would work.. perhaps the former would be easier with the palette. doing some brown-red sediment lines in that rock would probably sell an overturned sonora rock

[shrewd sapphire]

Rough sketch of the idea. Needs work but I think I’ll stay with this direction. My parents who retired in Phoenix will like this 😄

Tempted to sculpt a saguaro 🌵

[chilly horizon]

haha, that'd be awesome

I did something similar for some zorn minis a couple of years ago

I did cheat on the bases though, that's magenta mixed with burnt umber and pale sand drybrush

[shrewd sapphire]

CHEATER!

[chilly horizon]

I suspect you could do it zorn though 🙂

(i also used gold metallics on those models)

I was mostly using zorn to learn how to paint skin tones

painted a bunch of muscle bound barbarians 🙂

[shrewd sapphire]

Even Mr. Zorn didn’t always use a Zorn palette. But then again any palette he used would have been a Zorn palette. Zorn paradox.

[chilly horizon]

I wonder how often he used vallejo metal color gold 😂

[shrewd sapphire]

Pretty sure he invented it.

[pallid jacinth]

Lol oops forgot to post

Damn it

The base needs to be in zorn too huh

[shrewd sapphire]

You can get green tones by mixing yellow and black

Assuming you want greens that is

[pallid jacinth]

Mine are r going green 😭😭😭

Like my black is too pure lol

That’s the color I get

[shrewd sapphire]

Oh. Probably the ochre and/or the black are a mix of colors. 🥺

[pallid jacinth]

😭

They’re supposedly pure pigment but who knows

Lol ignore that he’s shiny atm

[shrewd sapphire]

I like the richness of color in his flesh

The base does read as a muted olive green. If you mix more ochre into that for highlights, it might help it read as more green. Just a thought. I don’t wanna tell you how to paint your mini 😅

[pallid jacinth]

I’m actually super impressed how well zorn works for flesh for me I didn’t think it would work for me because I’m awful at mixing

[pallid jacinth]

Lol no all input is welcome!

I appreciate all help lol

[shrewd sapphire]

If it helps, it’s always good to start with the lighter color and mix in very tiny amounts of the darker color.

[pallid jacinth]

Lol yea that does

Lol not sure if it reads as more green but the dude was glued down so I worked around it lol I like the yellow though

[shrewd sapphire]

It does feel more green!

[pallid jacinth]

Looks more missy cave I think!

Mossy

[shrewd sapphire]

Yeah! I like missy cave too tho 😎

One other possible trick to make the green stand out a little more would be to do the shadows and /or crevices with the purplish brown that you get from red+black. It should be enough of a color contrast to make the green feel more green. This was a big component of the impressionist movement

[pallid jacinth]

Ohhhhhhhh

I see

That makes sense makes sense

Idk if it made it more geeen but I think it looks a LOT better!!

[shrewd sapphire]

Heck yeah!

[pallid jacinth]

Did a lil more ochre on top I like that a LOT better!!! I appreciate your help!!! 🙏

Helps make the base a little less boring lol

[shrewd sapphire]

I think I need to hit him with a little more green to make it pop more, but I put the purplish brown in the skin shadows. I think it helps here but it is pretty subtle. I can def push it more.

[pallid jacinth]

That looks great

God that greenish huh you got was great

Hue

[shrewd sapphire]

It’s definitely a muted olive green but it’s definitely green!

I think I posted this already but these are the paints I’m using.

[thorn latch]

Nah lots of PA are mixes

[chilly horizon]

repainted the shoulderpad and the visible part of the breastplate steel.

The big question is if I'll be able to paint the hair in the next 10 days 😂

does it read as a dent on breastplate to you guys? (it's quite subtle, you'll need to zoom)

[edgy oriole]

Just above and right of the gold trim? Yea, but like, from a small punch (maybe an arrow?) not a mace/club

[chilly horizon]

I was actually inspired by the hits by handguns they used to do to proof the plate after crafting

but yeah, some kind of piercing dent

looking at some references, musket ball proofing looks bigger though 😅 oh well 🙂

[unborn pebble]

It surely does to me!

[chilly horizon]

nice 🙂

[summer belfry]

okay I got sick so wasn't sure if I was gonna finish all three(I know it didn't matter if I did, but I wanted to close the project off and not have to come back to it)

[chilly horizon]

that's so cool @summer belfry, especially when you put them next to each other so the OSL lines up.

My only question now is when we get the rest of the diorama 😂 ❤️‍🔥

also OMG that freehand emblem on his back

[summer belfry]

maybe one day haha!

and yes! based off a back patch from one of my fave patch maters, I think it reads okay, I didn't wanna mess with it too much

[thorn latch]

that is so sick, where from?

[summer belfry]

https://innerdecay.com/collections/patches/products/avenging-angel-back-patch

[thorn latch]

ah inner decay, shoulda guessed lol

[summer belfry]

haha

[chilly horizon]

hmm... getting close I guess... face and chain still needs more work though. got to fix the hare lip 😂

[chilly horizon]

I think I might have given her duck lips by mistake... 😱

[summer belfry]

That's kinda funny, but yeah the bottom lip is brighter than the top so it sticks out a bit

[chilly horizon]

ah, you are a genius, I was thinking it was that the upper lip was too bright but of course, it's the other way around... which also makes sense because I highlighted the lower lip more 😂

also... perhaps the very dark line under her lips is making it look like the lips are standing out more from her chin

[summer belfry]

Yeah

[chilly horizon]

...and the highlights of the skin above her lips are doing the same.

damnit.

[summer belfry]

It could just be a choice

The kiss of death

[chilly horizon]

here I'm trying to make her look badass with a scar and then give her duck lips 🤦

[pallid jacinth]

That NMM is insane tho

[shrewd sapphire]

Calling it here. He was a fun little fella but time to move on to other things.

[chilly horizon]

I try!

[chilly horizon]

Nice piece, I think I'm about to call mine too... last day of the PAL

[pallid jacinth]

I can’t believe the colors you got from this!!!

[shrewd sapphire]

Thanks! Looking forward to the final version of yours!

[shrewd sapphire]

Thanks @pallid jacinth ! I don’t know how successful it really is, but I definitely tried to use color relativity to exaggerate the colors. The gray in the weapon appears more cool (in theory) relative to the hot orange (plus the gray shadows have a bit of ochre in them to pull it toward green). The scales and head spike thingy are a sort of crimson brown (black plus red) but highlighting them in pinks (red+white) and mauves (red+white+black) kinda suggests purple. The olive green skin mixed from black and ochre isn’t super vibrant but putting the roughly complementary crimson brown in the shadows makes the green (in theory) feel more intense. And adding more ochre to the green for lighter highlights brightens it a bit while still reading as green. … in theory!