remove needing 100hp+ soakers for alpha app

[bleak garnet]

the soakers listed are all useless except racer i have not used a carbo or a stego more than 5 times this wipe yet i need to have em 100+ stat for some reason. if ur soaking u are wasting ur time ur bad at the game and u dont deserve alpha

[amber tusk]

guy might win an alpha for once because best tribe quit and thinks he can call shots now.

[nimble girder]

yea you gotta meet all the criteria and have proof those lines were yours, and not looted or traded

[quaint swallow]

Hope you know that it’s base that plus mutations

That’s +30 on carbos you need💀

[bleak garnet]

who tf are u

[bleak garnet]

whats the last time u used a stego more than 3 times on an elite wipe

[bleak garnet]

i have the lines its just pointless that i have to breed something i dont use

[amber tusk]

Who are you?

[nimble girder]

Hey that's the next 3man alpha

[bleak garnet]

dont ever speak to me again lmao dude has been here for 2 years and hasnt done shit 💀

probably cuz u like stegos and carbos take some advice and despawn em next time ur tribemates get some

[amber tusk]

you didnt answer the question bob

[bleak garnet]

im this seasons 3 man alpha

played 3 seasons on elite twice second place once alpha

u been here for 2 years i dont think u touched top 5

u probably the type of dude to shoot flame arrows at my tape

or shoot my mdsm with ur mek

[amber tusk]

keep in on topic please

also not everyone has the time for alpha but it doesnt means I wouldnd roll you if our paths crossed

[bleak garnet]

lmao get 2 men and ill give u whatever u need to fob me

[amber tusk]

in fact i wiped you the previous 3 man before current one

[bleak garnet]

i didnt play that 3man 💀

[amber tusk]

im sure lol

[bleak garnet]

@nimble girder

ask him if i played or not

i played 3man in january this one and the 6man in january

only wipes ive played

[amber tusk]

dont waste my good friends time with dumb questions

[daring path]

bro getting 100+ is the easiest shit

[bleak garnet]

pointless tho

[daring path]

nah

[bleak garnet]

idk used a carbo once this wipe

stego a couple times w tape

[bleak garnet]

hows it a waste of time, stand behind ur words buddy

ill even build a landbase just for you

in the desert

and supply you the fob

[quaint swallow]

You can even loot and buy em

It doesn’t matter 💀

[bleak garnet]

i looted em if i didnt id rather have demoed my war room then bred those two shit dinos for two days straight

[daring path]

bro u a loser ban ngl

[bleak garnet]

/leaderboard

[daring path]

doesnt change a thing

[bleak garnet]

thats w me losing out on 80 points when i kicked pawk btw

idk if i was you id think ab it

u fobbed sky light u couldnt do shit

cuz u sat there on a stego

conplaining how turrets have orp

if u despawned every single stego u owned coulda done some damage maybe

instead of wasting ur time soaking on a 15x server where everyone has 20k ele and 3mil arb sitting in their war room

[coral glen]

Ngl this guy sound tuff asf he got carried a 3 man and think he the shit

[quaint swallow]

You legit do lines passively

[bleak garnet]

i got carried?

[coral glen]

And in order to use stegos you gotta raid someone

[bleak garnet]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

[coral glen]

Stegos dont do much base bitching

[bleak garnet]

in what situation on a raid do you use stegos mr smart

tell me one situation where ur onlining someone and its good to use a stego

just one

[bleak garnet]

how when u have to sit there change the females look trough eggs every time u breed

pop the male wait for it to raise

recryo then over and over again

and then u also have to recryo 500 females

[daring path]

bro ur clueless

[bleak garnet]

how am i clueless

ive done 10 fobs 9 of them i wiped people

[daring path]

dont know how to breed

[bleak garnet]

u packed up a fob on a skylight

yh cuz i dont breed or farm all day at base

i actually go wipe people

i dont pack my fob up cuz turrets are orped

[daring path]

i wanna see u fob a skylight with orp dmg but online people xd

[quaint swallow]

That’s why you do 1 mut on every stat so you just type in levels

Takes 1 second to check

[bleak garnet]

still aids for a dino i dont use

[quaint swallow]

Still passively

[coral glen]

Im also like 90% sure this dude was a replacement on 3 man

[bleak garnet]

every base i fobbed had orp damage online

[coral glen]

He also got 0 alphas and talks shit

[bleak garnet]

its glitched on 3man

i raided a pearl cave with orp damage online

[daring path]

yeah and im barrack obama

[quaint swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fool-gif-13079145379695684032

[bleak garnet]

buddy do /leaderboard and let me know what u see

[daring path]

a clown

[bleak garnet]

buddy ur behind a tribe that quit 2 weeks ago

yet u talk shit

ironsky bobs had double ur points until i wiped em

and they are still above you

youve wiped 2 tribes on 3man in 3 weeks

[daring path]

yet we still we successfully countered yall

[coral glen]

Just letting yk pup and them had double yalls points before they quit

[bleak garnet]

one of the wipes was a gift from us u countered a dude 1v3

otherwise if u fobbed em online with their outside

[coral glen]

And ur a replacement talkin rn

[bleak garnet]

u wouldnt have wiped that either

[bleak garnet]

i had 100 they had 140

btw we started wipe 15-16 hours late

so yeah even a bigger shame for all of yall

i had a wooden shack while yall had tek forges

yet im the alpha

time to ditch the stegos and carbos boys

[coral glen]

Whats ur tribe name?

[bleak garnet]

youll get good one day

[bleak garnet]

anbu

[coral glen]

Lmaooo yall had tek forges in the first 5 hrs wdym

[bleak garnet]

if ur on 3man drop ur coords ill deal with u today

[bleak garnet]

no lmao s2 literally meked my base down 3 hours into wipe we had a starter with 3 turrets

and then we quit and i decided to restart when i woke up

we had a tek forge at the end of day 2

[coral glen]

I litterly know the guy that was in yalls tribe

[bleak garnet]

who

[amber tusk]

it all makes sense now though

this guy doesnt even know how to breed correctly

[coral glen]

Divine

[bleak garnet]

theres literally a video of my started getting meked by prime and s2

@quaint swallow did u wipe me 3h into wipe or no

[coral glen]

Buddy talkin all this smack when they was stacked day 1

[bleak garnet]

well looks like he lied to u

theres lit a clip hold on

[coral glen]

And it was because you was a replacement cause he left for a few days

And raiding a dead server aint a flex

[bleak garnet]

#🧂ark-salt message

[bleak garnet]

all of our rais were done in first 10 days

lmao

[bleak garnet]

brother what are u saying we licked dvine cuz he was inactive

i literally tribed him

idk if this dude lying to u or ur really bad at ragebait

[amber tusk]

If i was carried to alpha I wouldnt gloat

would feel disgusted

[meager hill]

I mean it really depends what caves your wiping 😭 these dinos are all very useful incredibly useful the custom caves have carbo entry and some stego entry

[coral glen]

And if stegos are such a problem for alpha then u should already have them since you wipe so many big tribes

[bleak garnet]

ask my tribemates if i got carried feel free

[coral glen]

Right or wrong?

[bleak garnet]

i do have them

i didnt use em on a single raid tho

[coral glen]

Then what are you complaing for

[bleak garnet]

and i never will as they are useless

im not complaining ppl just started talking shit cuz they sit there wasting their time soaking and wonder why they arent wiping shit

[meager hill]

Well that might just be you bro 😭

[bleak garnet]

i just said stegos and carbos are useless

and theres no need for em to be needed on alpha app

only useful dino in that soaker list is racer

[coral glen]

They dont use them, over here crying about using stegos

[meager hill]

Explain to me how stegos are useless?

[bleak garnet]

okay tell me a situation where youd use a stego ill tell u what u should do instead

give u a lil ark schoolin for free

[amber tusk]

yes let me ask biased people

[meager hill]

Well if you need to rush a bace that can't fit anything bigger then a stego your probly gonna have to use a stego see what I mean?

[coral glen]

Under water chokes

[meager hill]

Ill accept the knowledge

[bleak garnet]

if u can fit a stego u can fit a desmo man

[quaint swallow]

We did

[bleak garnet]

if u can fit a desmo a stego becomes completely useless

[quaint swallow]

If it’s not suggestion related go to #🧂ark-salt

[meager hill]

U right my bad G

[coral glen]

Ik this guy was all talk imaging getting wiped hr 3

[bleak garnet]

just rocket run or tek grenade with desmo

[quaint swallow]

Last warning

#🧂ark-salt

[azure stratus]

Any suggestion that gets this ratiod AND the OP becomes toxic should be deleted

[bleak garnet]

i didnt start the toxicity if u scrolled up youd know 🤷‍♂️

[karmic brook]

Bro

Get 54-60 base and get 40 muts

It’s not hard to do

[somber orbit]

They should add +100 only to mutations for the alpha, without counting the base stat 🫩

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[daring path]

fr

[glacial frost]

No

[kind heath]

Alpha is decided based on new lb bot now

so this suggestion is kinda not really needed

[somber orbit]

But u need breesing and record you clips, not obly new bot right?

[nimble girder]

in the alpha app there is a section to upload videos and clips, and it doesnt let you submit without adding something. some tribes make a base tour/pvp montage aswell

[karmic brook]

Theres still an application to prove your raids yeah

But lines don’t mean much as that’s pve and not very alpha

[daring path]

getting to 100 is peasant stuff ngl

[wispy acorn]

alpha should be your ability to raid and win the server, not pve breeding lmao

[amber tusk]

still skill in doing things like breeding. I have seen the inside of some peoples bases and wonder what they are even doing looking at their breed setups.

[wispy acorn]

no skill in breeding, u get the stats u want, get 3 lvl 3 mutable traits and u get a mut every breed

not skill just spending time trait hunting

just because they are hovering on ramps and laying eggs doesnt mean ( to me at least) its a skill thing

[karmic brook]

No one uses traits

[meager hill]

Well the ones that do definitely have a pretty good advantage, I use them and breeding becomes a whole lot easier vs when your not it's a whole world of difference

[amber tusk]

if we are talking EA then traits wont help you with the best method

[meager hill]

Well yes, I assume you mean with the probs?

[amber tusk]

yea traits dont work in those

[azure stratus]

This is how i know you dont know wtf you're talking about

[wispy acorn]

hahahahhah, traits are broken asf. if you dont use them then ur ass. simple as that, 2% per trait x3 so 6% plus the base 7.31% so 13.31% mutation per egg. u can literally have 10 females and pretty much get a mutation a breed. dont comment if u dont know them game

u dont use props and they mut like fuck

0 skill in breeding

[azure stratus]

Only a 76% chance at those rates with 10 females. And while they are all on cooldown for breeding, Im rotating out 100 females in my propagator for the next mutation. By the time you mutate once, i've mutated twice.

[wispy acorn]

u just havent tho, u need to raise the dino first and with traits u can get 2/3 mutations on one breed. traits are 100x better

[azure stratus]

raising any dino in a pod takes 1hr 30min. Breeding recovering time is 3-4 hours.

[wispy acorn]

but my point still stands, u can get 2/3 of the same mutation on the same breed with traits

also throw out 100 females with a traited male

doesnt mean i have to use them all

especially with a stego, u cant reach all 100

even with floors above and below

[azure stratus]

How do you plan on mass raising when you have 10+ females out for different dinos? The dino cap is 200. When I need to throw out 100+ stegos/carbos/dps whats your plan? Cryo all your breeders? Only prep 50 dinos at a time? Whats the time sink to find three level 3 mute traits for a wipe that lasts 2 weeks on different dinos? The logistics aren't there

[wispy acorn]

i didnt say i had to, i was saying i could. even with 50 or 30. im still muting more then props

my point is still that theres 0 skill in breeding

props theres even less skill lmao

[azure stratus]

Chance for a mutation at base rate with 100 females in prop is 99.95%. Averaging 7 traits for 100 females. You can swap 100 females through the prop in 30 seconds.

[wispy acorn]

base mutation is 7.31 per egg plus the traits at 2% (3 of them)

"Getting a health mutation in ARK involves breeding creatures to trigger a 7.31% base chance of a mutation"

hypothetically stegos

[azure stratus]

Math says props are better. Dont know what else to say

[wispy acorn]

math doesnt say that as with the same females used the percent of getting a hp mut is way higher and with a even higher chance with traits (nearly double) u can get the same mut multiple times on the same breed

u cant get better maths then more then double % under the same conditions, assuming u dont breed all 100% at once. u can collect eggs untill u get the mut/muts

[azure stratus]

Severely overestimating how easy it is to get 2 mutations. With a 13.3% chance to get a health mutation, its a 0.62% chance to get 2 health mutations

[wispy acorn]

i kept getting them, i got 3 on one breed. i didnt even know u could get that untill it did

thought u couldnt only get 1/1 on either side

happens a ton with traits

[azure stratus]

Mhmmm Im sure bud

[bleak garnet]

ik how to solve this argument

send screenshots of stats

[wispy acorn]

no skill in breeding anyway

[amber tusk]

You know outside a prop it's possible to get eggs with no mutation passing on

[wispy acorn]

i did it about a year ago, il try look for the picture

[bleak garnet]

ofc its no skill u put a cryofridge or two next to ur prop and switch out females its the easiest shit ever

[amber tusk]

Prop guarantees every egg has it

[bleak garnet]

u get a mut every time u breed

its just boring

[amber tusk]

Hush no one cares about you

[bleak garnet]

who are u

[azure stratus]

Who are you?

[bleak garnet]

im the 3man alpha

what about u

[azure stratus]

I keep seeing you say that, but everyone I see talking about keeps saying you got carried.

Including your own tribemates

[bleak garnet]

alright tell me who said ut from my tribe

cuz i thought them half the meta this wipe

so ik ur lying lmao

so i magically get carried every wipe i play?

[azure stratus]

Literally have never heard of you before. Its also easy to win alpha when everyone else on the cluster quit. Lol

[amber tusk]

Again I don't try to win

[bleak garnet]

theres a reason they quit

[amber tusk]

Also never been wiped unlike you

[bleak garnet]

topless left cluster cuz they couldnt go for 6man and 3man alpha at the same time while they are contested

ikea quit after we gapped em 3x in points

[azure stratus]

Alpha is 90% time commitment and 10% skill.

[bleak garnet]

when did i get wiped?

my 5 heavy turrets started got wiped yeah

so what

[azure stratus]

I know this is you bigd og

[amber tusk]

Only 1 alpha win so obviously got wiped

[bleak garnet]

okay if u have the skill come to 3man ill give u a fob dinos anything u need and ill put a tower in the middle of the desert

if u wipe the tower and i dont wipe ur fob within 5h i will merge tribe into you

u get alpha

[bleak garnet]

idk my oasis on 6man stood strong til end of wipe

same as my island crouch

[azure stratus]

Dont pretend that aint you in my screenshot bigboy.

[amber tusk]

SD is tomorrow so no time to mess with a child

[bleak garnet]

sure lmao thats surely me

idk what cluster that is even

[amber tusk]

I'm too busy making a weeks worth of dino nuggies

[azure stratus]

It was the last 3man. We wiped you while one of your boys was defending the entire time.

[bleak garnet]

i played 3man in island crouch solo wiped 9 tribes, played 6man in oasis 2nd place 3mil points and this 3man season alpha

[bleak garnet]

i didnt play last season i was in thailand lmao

[amber tusk]

You not alpha yet boy

[bleak garnet]

u can lit check my chat logs

[bleak garnet]

says who

idk had 3 tribes try to contest it and all 3 got onlined

so whoever wants to try can go ahead

10 fobs placed 9 bases wiped 8 bases onlined

0 fobs dropped

[amber tusk]

Can only win if the best stop playing is not a flex

[azure stratus]

The funny part of all of this is that you think you're tough for winning a competition with 0 players in a dino game.

[bleak garnet]

if they stayed they would have lost 3man and 6man

ur the ones that started talking shit to me for no reason when i literally dont know u so dont cry now

ur filler players non important to the cluster

[wispy acorn]

can we stay on topic, breeding takes no skill just want everyone to know that

[bleak garnet]

u play to get wiped

[amber tusk]

Never been wiped

[wispy acorn]

are u the guy who played with froggy raz?

[bleak garnet]

sure thing dont be scared to drop cords if i happen to play on same cluster as you

[azure stratus]

Our coords will be listed on the leaderboard this SD

[amber tusk]

Just ping me on any new wipe you play

[bleak garnet]

if i play solo duo ill let u know

[wispy acorn]

froggy is the guy who told me about the traits

broken asf

[amber tusk]

Traits are fine

But you are not accounting for space and dino cap

[wispy acorn]

u dont need many tho tbh

[azure stratus]

Or time to collect the traits

[wispy acorn]

the percent is too high

[amber tusk]

The small increase is not worth it

[wispy acorn]

nearly double the %

[azure stratus]

I can pump 30-40 mutes into carbos a day passively. Are you doing that with traits?

[wispy acorn]

i mean tbh i cant be arsed to get them but they are broken

yes definitely

carbos insta raise tf hahahahha

[amber tusk]

All my breed tames have over 1k females each

[azure stratus]

no you arent. You dont have enough carbos to bypass the breed timer. And if you do, you are constantly throwing them out to avoid dino cap

none of which is a problem with props

[wispy acorn]

the timer isnt long, i dont mass breed anymore because its a waste of time and i normally pocket them off ppl but i have done it. look at that message i sent u

[amber tusk]

Traits only good for long lasting wipes

[wispy acorn]

i got that stego up to 120hp before i cba

[amber tusk]

One couldn't be bothered to find them for a 4 week wipe

[azure stratus]

Can't sing the praises of traits if you self admit you can't be bothered to look for them

[wispy acorn]

they are broken but i just dont care to breed anymore, just boring. like i keep saying tho, it doesnt take skill to breed tho

seem to be missing the point

[azure stratus]

I agree it takes 0 skill but the fact that everyone does it so poorly doesnt bode well for their intelligence does it?

[wispy acorn]

yes i definitely can, can i say props are broken but once i get one mass breed off i dont touch them again

[amber tusk]

Still lots of people do it wrong

[wispy acorn]

i guess so but i still dont know why its required for alpha

just wipe ppl, thats what og official alpha was

wipe everyone else and last one standing

[amber tusk]

Because dinos are a big part of the game

[wispy acorn]

right but u can raid them off ppl

[amber tusk]

You say it's all easy but you sound kind of dumb

[wispy acorn]

why do they need to be yours and secondly like i say its easy asf. just boring

u could literally wipe everyone with 60h stegos and not have alpha because u didnt breed, just listen to that for a second

thats dumb asf

[amber tusk]

Some people find raiding boring so why is that necessary

[wispy acorn]

because its a pvp cluster TF ahahahaha

not pve breeding cluster

[amber tusk]

Offline raiding isn't PvP

[wispy acorn]

didnt mention offlining once

still not pve tho

[amber tusk]

You still get credit for raiding offline

[wispy acorn]

no enemies, not even ai unless u are counting turrets

still a players base

still never mentioned offlining but it is a pvp raiding cluster

not a breeding cluster just remember that

[azure stratus]

Breeding is part of pvp tho

[wispy acorn]

not really, its not necessary

[amber tusk]

I have no issue getting the lines while probably doing more PvP then you ever do by myself

[wispy acorn]

could tame a 60h or hypothetically u could get away with 40+

still cluster alpha shouldnt require high lines to do it

[azure stratus]

You arent onlining anyone with 40H desmos. Going to fly into a cave and your desmo going to insta die to a wall

[wispy acorn]

maybe winning events instead or some shit

[amber tusk]

I don't tame anything

[wispy acorn]

dont bomb with desmos then

[amber tusk]

I win 60+ dinos in events

[wispy acorn]

use the new tortugas, players only turrets dont shoot them

carbo/ tortuga combo

[azure stratus]

Tortugas get knock backed by tek turrets

[wispy acorn]

not players only

use carbos first

[amber tusk]

Ground turrets also nuke them

[azure stratus]

Okay and mounted turrets?

[wispy acorn]

yeah they do but like i say soak the tame turrets first

[amber tusk]

Soaking?

[wispy acorn]

no one sets them as that but yeah

[amber tusk]

No one soaks anymore

[azure stratus]

Literally everyone does. When was the last time you played wtf

[wispy acorn]

carbos and karkinos make short work on tame turrets

not the ppl i raid apparently

always players only or tamed

[azure stratus]

You're raiding straight bobs then

[wispy acorn]

apparently

[wispy acorn]

everyone who tries to raid me always soak

never seen anyone try bomb unless i get online and alot are soaked

never straight up bombs or rushes

[azure stratus]

I feel like you havent played in a while. The meta has changed a ton in the last few months

[wispy acorn]

i was playing official conq so maybe, i doubt it tho. was playing conq since october

[azure stratus]

Not many people bomb in official because not many are rocking 1500+ OC flak

[wispy acorn]

i mean i was playing elite before that tho

official ppl are rocking 2k plus flak

and they changed conq to caves but stego sized for some reason

loved the land bases

1800 dura flak is weirdly common on official

obviously expensive tho, i was in a 2 man so i didnt really want to use it all the time but i had bps

usually like 700 dura mcs or jms i used but yeah

[azure stratus]

Yeah I guess thats a bigg differnece. On EA I can have 1k prepped and saddled desmos/yi lings and 1k flak sets in like a day

[wispy acorn]

i had a chinese tribe of about 15 streaming while raiding me on there lol, they had their cheats on. it was a chinese tiktok basically and they were botting with tek rifle and 2k dura flak

thats why i want elite to do vanilla offical like clusters, it would bring all the conq and arkpoc ppl over because its full of cheaters

[nimble girder]

everyone on official has nearly 2k dura flak