No Dino Gate Box Racers

[cosmic portal]

What’re we doing here? Nobody wants to have a bad time. They can walk up and drop any tower w/o being shot

[tawdry kindle]

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[inland swan]

Don't be toxic in suggestions please

[tawdry kindle]

my bad g

[pure lantern]

In the state of asa raiding having a tool like the box racer is a necessity

[hollow nebula]

Which current official Dino’s they are the main way to counter player only terrain turrets

Rocket launchers are easier counters

[pseudo depot]

need to know how to build, theres multiple ways to counter em

[blazing schooner]

It's easy to drop an outside tower with it ... It ruins the Fortnite outside pvp by just dropping towers offline very easy ( don't tell me u can counter it by putting ground turrets or vault dropping the way to the tower to counter it... It's easy asf to drop it)

I would say its fine if there must be like 2 sides open and not only the back side gate... It's just way to broken

[jovial plume]

Just Build smarter. Spam turrets on ground and x plants, Build your Tower smart so you cant Go Instant to the gen, Double gen drop or more an Nobody wants to racer anymore thats it

Asa is so much defender sided no reason to take Away the Last Bit of fun on this game

[blazing schooner]

All you did was repeat my thing that I said how to make racer your tower more annoying... But in the end it's just a bit more time and a bit more C4 ... It's cooked

[blazing schooner]

Yes I give u that point... Bcs of these stupid terrain turrets... But not on a outside tower

U spend 2 hours on building it and pincoding and turrets settings just for a racer to clear it in 1... It's sad

[jovial plume]

Yes and if u are Not online I can pretty much Canon your Tower Gen without Even Soaking a Single turret so what ? You want to Ban all things People raid with ? Maybe just learn the Game and Build and defend smarter, Not Every Shit Needs to be taken out of the Game

[blazing schooner]

This would be fully fine I think
... Just take away 3 structures on a racer

[blazing schooner]

Have fun cannon a double vault dropped Tek gen bahahahahahah xD... I rather have that then some op racer

[jovial plume]

Ive Seen Many things you Would lough what People do …

[blazing schooner]

Ur telling me that if I'm offline ur gonna wanna get 5mil cannon balls xD rather then just racer and place 300 C4 xD

[jovial plume]

We have a YouTube Video online @tawdry kindle where we Canon a Tower online

So of course if You’re Shit at defending thats what Happens

And if u can defend, you can defend against racers bro

[blazing schooner]

Trust me... Take away 3 structures of a racer and people gonna stop complaining about it... Bcs one gate is open then in the back and the racer gets more vulnerable

[blazing schooner]

Bro omfg... I'm talking about offlines not online... Everyone know how to defend against them online wtf

[blazing schooner]

That's just a fat skill issues from the defending tribe

[jovial plume]

Yeah and if ur offline even stegos are OP so what?

[blazing schooner]

@jovial plume you just told me that asa is more defender friendly and then proceeds to tell me an example were u online cannoned someone's gen😅 that's random asf

[blazing schooner]

At least they need to soak then... It takes way more time and effort

[jovial plume]

Bro in asa i can fully defend everything solo

Even when theres like 5 man raiding me

[blazing schooner]

Rather than just use a racer and blow a tower maybe even under 1 hour

[blazing schooner]

Ok

[jovial plume]

Just use racers and see how much fun it is bro, im talking mainly about banning legit everything thats fun here

Its just shit

[blazing schooner]

Racer is fine bro... Just the box that u can build with it is way to op... Only the back side open... Everything else is invincible... That's not a good way to balance the game

It's not so fun if ur tower that u spend 2 hours on get dropped offline in under 1

People stopped building outside towers... Only bcs of this racer build exist

Way to many people complained about it and it's always the same people defending it... I raided way to many bases with it and people keep on spamming reports and was hard questioning if that's allowed... It's insane... Not one other cluster allowed it

[wind steeple]

Box racers is one of the few ways we can balance. Asa is extremely defender friendly. Box racers and poker builds are only useful in certain situations and once outside defenses are gone, they are irrelevant

[blazing schooner]

Even in enemy foundation range u can build such a racer... So caves like: UWC Center, Spider cave, easy UW island, hard UW, Central Cave Scorched... You can just build the racer inside and dog walk the base... It's also free to open the ceiling with a window and just Tek rifle any high up gens

[wind steeple]

Yes

[blazing schooner]

Ohhh and North and South Ice

[wind steeple]

Not sure what ur argument is. The caves u listed are bigger and in some spots can fit a racer once inside. But doesnt change the fact that those spots are even more defender friendly. Well some are, some are a hit spots

[cosmic portal]

Y’all are missing the point. I can spam turrets and shoot rockets but all it takes is one of these racers offline and it’s a wrap

[jovial plume]

If u take Spots like These you should be Online to defend if something happens so all good imo

[blazing schooner]

Asa was always defender friendly bcs of the terrain turrets... But bcs of that u just allow a racer that can offline dog walk ur base and take all ur time that u put in a outside tower to just blow it in 40min?

[jovial plume]

You already have Tribelog that warns u even 1 single foundation getting destroyed or When ur getting soaked so whats the matter

[cosmic portal]

40 min is generous. Ngl im dropping 5 in 40 minutes

5 full built Skelly’s w/o losing hp

[blazing schooner]

Maybe for 5man but 3 man and solo duo is something different... People have lifes

[jovial plume]

Ark is a no life game bro

[cosmic portal]

I sleep?

[jovial plume]

You guys playing a no life game and u even know that

[blazing schooner]

Nobody wants to spend 2 hours of their nice time to build an outside tower that can get dropped in 300 C4 and a racer

[jovial plume]

Like i said, build smart and no racer is doing shit to ur tower

[blazing schooner]

Yeah if their build bad

[cosmic portal]

I can assure you we build better than anyone talking in here

[merry burrow]

Outside defences are just cannon fodder to give you some time to get on ect

[jovial plume]

Yep

[cosmic portal]

Your spam turrets won’t save you from my box racer

[prime tree]

Then racers shouldn’t bother you that much?

[jovial plume]

People claiming building better than others always building bad

[blazing schooner]

Nahhh u can spam vaults on the bottom to get more time until the racer reaches the core

[merry burrow]

If you rely that much on towers I'd suggest picking better spots to build

[jovial plume]

I mean me and @tawdry kindle racer so much shit and sometimes even we are Seeing towers we wont even consider racer cuz its well builded and aids to racer

[cosmic portal]

Where you built? Let’s test yours out against my box racer

[jovial plume]

Crouch scorched

[cosmic portal]

I don’t build where I won’t catch a fob

[merry burrow]

Not quite sure what your pont is?

[cosmic portal]

I literally said my point

[jovial plume]

Our outside is just to buy time like @merry burrow said, if u racer my outside you need to deal with inside

[blazing schooner]

That's the thing... I kinda miss the outside defense bro... Camping in cave is way to meta in asa ... I want a bit of outside fun... Racer that drop ur tower immediately ruins it completely for me

[jovial plume]

so idgaf if u racer my outside

[cosmic portal]

Bc you’re behind a crouch

But your “good builds” won’t save your towers

[jovial plume]

Even when i have a Stego size entrance

Not even good builded honestly my mate builded the first time in his life cuz he had fun with it

so Come and try if uc an racer

[merry burrow]

So you get rid of box racer you have multiple towers you ain't really gonna be getting fobbed anymore

[cosmic portal]

Fortnite, soak, tek Rex/tappy

Push spam

Easy

[merry burrow]

Your missing the point

[jovial plume]

And not to mention, Racer is the only way in a fortnite fight you can Push Foundations, cuz people spamming their asses off with Thin pillars and yet even Half Thin Pillars in the game

[merry burrow]

Ppl play boosted servers to have fun ect not having to spend copious amounts of time raiding 1 base

[cosmic portal]

Skill issue I push turrets w spam so you don’t gain ground back

[blazing schooner]

Don't get rid of it... Just take away 3 structures on the racer and u need to think what side u wanna leave open for it ... So at least u soak a bit before doing something... Also I think after Ronnie gets the no Terrain Turrets mod working... Outside is gonna be important

[cosmic portal]

You should have the same amount of stuff when you fob. If I have full fridges of stegos I should be fine w whatever they have

The attackers have vast amounts of rss too keep in mind

[jovial plume]

And then people sit on their base Being even more Safe then they are yet and nobody even attemps to raid cuz all Raid Dinos getting nerfed noiceeeeeeee

[cosmic portal]

If you need a racer that literally doesn’t get shot to raid a base you aren’t good at raiding

Like what’re we even talking about here 😂

& it’s not an online issue it’s solely an offline issue

[blazing schooner]

It's for the change after they get the other mod going with the no Terrain turrets mod... It's gonna change the cave ceiling turrets meta and also gonna let outside be way more important... Bcs people can finally spin with a pt and get some real damage done

[jovial plume]

Like i said we need them to push foundations in a fortnite fight cuz its literally the only way

[blazing schooner]

Exactly

[cosmic portal]

I can assure you that you do not need them to push spam

[blazing schooner]

You can do it with half a side open as well

[jovial plume]

Ok sherlock, how are u pushing foundations then?

[cosmic portal]

Push soakers to get turrets attention, blow said foundations and push my own plus turrets

[jovial plume]

Youre delusional

[cosmic portal]

If they Fortnite up guess what I do? Fortnite back

[cosmic portal]

Says the one that needs a build that blocks all bullets to blow spam

Cmon now we aren’t the same

[blazing schooner]

I see that u are on several servers like 1nx, Me$a and M7S how u push foundations there online?

[cosmic portal]

I’m gonna become a menace with this tech until you all realize it’s not worth having so circle back to this in a week.

My entire 5 man will be walking through with them

[blazing schooner]

I already been a menace with it... Several wipes I just farmed all my adv and shards with racers... Not gonna lie what's even the point on breeding them if ur just invincible xD

I got several reports on my name on how op these racers were even online... It's crazy that only the same people thing it's balanced

[cosmic portal]

Facts bro. Takes 0 skill we had someone stealth drop a tower, after we caught them pushed them back to the fob and they don’t leave it. It’s just a way for the thumbless to compete

[blazing schooner]

We have Carnage the admin saying that Racers are fine... That bro didn't even know what mutagen was... Bro didn't even play Ase and started complaining... It's crazy

[cosmic portal]

Yeah idk why he said it’s a must for the state of the game? We must be playing different games idk

[blazing schooner]

Box racers were never an online issue... It's a big offline issue... Nobody has fun building 2 hours on a outside tower for it to get dropped by a walking invincible Tank

Also it improves player skill by a lot... I mean every bob can use a box racer... With only half of a box racer u can at least filter the better players from the bob ones and people actually start using other strats and start improving themselves

[bitter spire]

The fact people want no terrain turrets with also allowing box racers show they don’t want to any work for raids. They don’t want to soak or anything. Then we wonder wipes don’t last long.

[blazing schooner]

I'm literally the one that don't want terrain turrets xD... But I also don't want Box racers 😅

[tawdry kindle]

Dont want to be toxic but holy bobs

[bitter spire]

No bobs just want it where if you’re offline someone can’t waste hours of work in minutes lol.

[wraith garden]

Not everyone likes soaking if the game gives you way better opportunities to do the same thing faster

[graceful owl]

the difference of effort of building a racer and building an outside tower is too big racer is too effective and offline easily cheesable and abusable

[graceful owl]

paired with the ase turret build mod its even balanced bc inside is wayyyy weaker so outside could be stronger and not be a 5 min wipe

[red bobcat]

its not hard to defend even offline

[cosmic portal]

If you even have a tower and you’re not just a discord warrior feel free to drop your server & cords & I’ll gladly test your theory

[red bobcat]

i’ll build one just for u

north ice cen2

i’ll build in next day or so

[blazing schooner]

Imagine they fix the no Terrain turret mod and then u have a turret wall that can get dropped easier and an outside that will get dropped in like 40min with this op racer...

I know u can say... Just build smarter or somewhere u can't get Box Racered... In the end it's still killing the pop...
And people with life don't wanna spend 2 hours of their precious time to build an outside tower that's suppose to stall at least 1-3 hours of time (depends on cluster) just for it to get dropped by a solo guy in 30min... Or even by more people just in 20min...

There is a reason why all the other clusters have the rule of at least leaving 2 sides of the racer opened...

I really don't get it... Every wipe there are new people complaining about this type of racer being op or do reports on it just to get hit with the reality that this kind of racer is allowed on elite ark... I don't get why the admin team isn't realizing that these racers are way too strong offline...

Just saying that u can currently still build a full boxed racer... So it's even worse... People can just raid ur base offline with a full box racer and if u come online they just demo the back gate of the racer like nothing happened (even if u play with clips it's hard to catch it)

[olive comet]

That racer like the admin said is needed for balancing purposes it’s incredibly easy to counter my suggestion to those complaining. Go look up how to make a proper build. I will not spill the beans on how to make the racers useless against towers but go do your research and stop crying. All it takes is a bit of game knowledge and some digging

And this applies offline or online. By the way

[blazing schooner]

Bro building vaults around or celler doors still gonna get the tower dropped very fast... They just go around and blow every double door

U aren't even allowed to build floating structures

[olive comet]

Bro like I said do the research. It’s not hard. If you get offlined thats on you man. There is metas for everything.

[blazing schooner]

It doesn't matter how hard u buff ur tower all it takes is 2 or 3 people on racer strapping ur supports around and in the middle and ur tower is gone without being soaked once

[olive comet]

Adapt and overcome bro

[blazing schooner]

Bro like I said... Adapt means u dont build a proper outside tower or u build on spots where racers have a hard time walking up

[olive comet]

Easy days then but with how easy it is to defend. It would make the game unbearable if now we can’t even use the racer line that

And yea cool we can soak towers and push the proper way but all ppl do to defend is spam , spam turrets and turn everything only survivors… on solo duo there isn’t much you can do against that just gotta come back offline and I ain’t finna sit at a enemy tower for 8 hours plus to play the long game to see who hops off first

You are going to have to suck it up my brotha or build in a spot where you dont have to worry about racers

[blazing schooner]

Yes exactly... I know it's easy to defend... Asa is defender friendly... But they literally announced 5man with a new mod without terrain turrets... That's why I think it they should nerf the racer as well if they planning on launching the mod on the next clusters

[olive comet]

That don’t stop you from placing on the ground though does it ?

[blazing schooner]

My point here is that after they added the mod they should nerf the racer so outside becomes way stronger than before... So nobody just offlines your tower in 40min

[blazing schooner]

Idk tbh

[blazing schooner]

Tbh 2 man is just not it if u really wanna proper push something... It's not really meant for online fobs... Asa put several features away that would have helped like pt c spinning a wall, Grapple glitch (I think unintentionally) and also it would help a lot with like an Auto yuty buff. It's really ruff on 2man raiding online especially with that short respawn timer😅

[narrow mesa]

Easy meta to counter

[shut elm]

The problem is being able to fully enclose it if the tribe is offline which happens way more often then yall think.

Should be limited to 5 gates totel, 2 on the sides and 1 on the front. Still can be used but easier to be shot from behind. 🤷

[pure lantern]

Bases should be extremely easier to raid offline

[red bobcat]

with raid cooldown there’s almost no chance you get racered online

[olive comet]

Precisely

[shut elm]

LOL easier in that you can free soak yes. But no. Then everyone will just offline even more so than they do now.
The problem now is online raiding. Offline raiding should be more difficult because it already takes 0 effort to do it.
Free cannoning/soak/racer especially when they fully box the racer bc theres no one to catch them cheating.

[pure lantern]

Offline is more difficult because orp, changing any Dino directly affects raiding online, you are never going to be safe offline

It just won’t happen

And it shouldn’t, it’s a survival game with a huge raiding aspect

[shut elm]

LMAO ORP doesn't make offline raiding harder than online raiding 💀💀

[pure lantern]

I didn’t say that

I said it’s made more difficult by orp, was not comparing the two

It will never be harder than if a player is krab roleplaying

[shut elm]

Ahh yah. I mean, I think racer nerf would be fine as long as there is an accompanied online nerf.
Like online turret damage nerf. or as you said krab roleplaying, reduce krab hp/resistance. 150k with 124 saddle is takes like 1200 arrows with a cap bow.

But as said, racers are really only used offline and 90% of the time used illegally anyway. So reducing the structures slightly so they have to be a little slower than just running a 3-5 racer train through a base wouldnt be a bad thing. There will see be mana/mae/pt bomb and im not saying remove all structures just reduce it slightly so they can just create infinite trains or just walk past most defense.

[pure lantern]

I don’t think they are used illegally as much as you think

I constantly just fly around maps watching and see raids of people using legal racers all the time

Most people don’t want to risk a ban for an extra gate

And you can make it slower it just takes a lot more effort and I do mean a lot

As for the nerfs to krabs I’m all for it

[shut elm]

Lol I also fly around the map alot too. Ive seen someone watching a raid with an illegal racer and didnt report it as i was watching the report channel for awhile. And thats proof enough to me that if the tribe is offline they can get away with it most of the time

[merry burrow]

So why didn't ypu report it then?

[shut elm]

same reason they didnt and why most passerbys wont unless it directly affects them. "Not my base, not my problem" That and by the time i got my recording software up, they had moved the racer in a position where i couldnt get a clip. I dont go around looking for cheaters. Thats the staff teams job. Im just trying to play a dinosaur game lol

Also was going to sit there forever waiting for them to move it in a position that showed the full box

And lets be honest, the staff team is always swamped with tickets so buy the time they got to the ticket and went to check, it likely would have been gone anyway

All viable reasons though to just prevent it in the first place by reducing the structures so they can only fit 5 gates

[pure lantern]

Illegal racers are tickets anyways

Hence the no report channel

Making a racer 5 gates would make it a useless raiding Dino and hurt online raiding more than it already is

Anything less than what it is, it becomes too niche to use

This was already changed once and after the change there was a massive poll in suggestions to change back to its current state

[shut elm]

Its already niche, you can still easily walk up to turret towers with only 5 gates as long as they dont have turrets like 15 foundations to the side of the towers.

And ofc the people who cant free run bases offline with a racer are going to cry 🤣
Yall cant keep changing something for 1 season and get blow back from 1 side and instantly change it back. lmfao

AND if terrrain turrets were disabled as planned racers would have been even more busted. Especially since theyr disabled ground terrain and not just walls/ceiling.

[pure lantern]

It was a big poll and had like 75 upvotes to 12 downvotes to change back

Raiding on ea is already tough and you have to prep for a long time to raid big bases

Not to mention the fact that any capable tribe is unraidable after week 1

And almost every cave isn’t racerable

[shut elm]

Doesnt matter, 1 season isnt enough of a test. Thats the problem EA has. They change something for 1 season, get small upset 75 of 500/cluster and change it back. No company does that. People just want their easy offline raids bc they suck and cant online raid.

Make online raiding easier and nerf racers together and it shouldnt be a problem. If changes are made with a balanced approach such as that, its not as detrimental to the longevity of the server or the wah wah players.

[pure lantern]

Polls are typically a general estimate survey of what the population wants

Not all people scroll suggestions but the population that wants change does

And you say make these simple changes but have no changes to suggest, my point is racers sit at a good spot as of now, changing them in hopes of other changes its pointless because the community will never agree on what is perfect

If people are getting wiped and giving up even when we offer 3 days of protection to freely build up there isn’t much more we can do to keep people rebuilding

The claim that people suck and can’t online raid is unfounded as well, what parameters makes someone bad at the game? Because people can’t kill a krab on the other side of a trike choke point they suck? Not a very good gauge of skill

[shut elm]

Dont recall using simple as the description. But I offered two today, nerf krabs, and online turret damage.
Can also increase raid log timer from i think its 2 hours to 3 or 4 hours.

Racers arent in a good place hence why people are constantly requesting it to be reduced. This isnt the first time or last time itll be suggested.
There are very little offline counter to box racers, nothing in the game should have 0 counters. The only one for racer is ground turrets which is barely a counter as you can just walk up to them all as is. But if used properly, you can have the entire entrance to your cave destroyed before you can get out there or get back on.

If you cant gauge skill in that manner then you cannot gauge skill for racer prevention as a gauge of skill as you have in the past. 🤣

[pure lantern]

i can because i have watched @earnest socket put in hours of effort to make towers that i myself could never build correctly unracerable

at the end of the day defenses are meant to be destoryed and are a method to delay the enemy from getting your loot

[shut elm]

Nothing is unracerable outside of maybe tree plat that covers all sides of a tower. But theres only 1 cave in redwoods that its possible to do that with.

You can delay it, you cannot make it unracerable. But offline, the delay means very very little as it wont add that much time to taking it down with 0 worry in the world. And thats my point, there is no worry at all of dying when doing it. Even free soaking you can still die and delay the raiding. Not with racer boxing. And thats what removing 2 gates does, removes the 0 worry as you still need to be careful when walking up with the racer. Will turn them 0 skill to some skill

And again, if all terrain turrets truly are removed, racers are going to be even more busted.

[earnest socket]

You can delay it so much offline, they took 5-6 days to drop my tower with racers and soaking alone.

[shut elm]

Skill issue on them I guess lol

[pure lantern]

I just don’t think you have seen a goon tower

I’m telling you if people were better at building this racer thing wouldn’t even be a discussion

To this day the best outside oasis I’ve ever seen

[shut elm]

Even if its that good... not all caves have the capacity for such a thing. Most dont. I have mentioned rebalancing the maps for the tribe limit in another suggestion.
And again the problem will be no terrain turrets

[tame pecan]

Any pictures that you can share I’m curious

[pure lantern]

not now its been months

but it was triple caged, half tek half metal all vault dropped, bear trapped wall framed

was insane

[tame pecan]

Hmm sounds cool

[pure lantern]

cheaters dropped titans on our base that wipe

tower stood

discord tribe logs showed level 1500 arthros breaking our stuff lol

tower still stood through all that

[tame pecan]

I’ll build a few this wipe and see if they stand

The last base I built with a lot of towers out side was that Redwood’s cave exceed was talking about but no one even tried to raid it lol

[normal mantle]

You tell me look at this RV build

It’s ridiculous

Didn’t even soak a single bullet

Or get banned with a +20 hour urgent ticket

We just quit

[pure lantern]

is that a gate or the racers butt

[hollow nebula]

Definitely looks like a gate to me

[normal mantle]

Gates all around except the back had ramps going down.

Still covering the Dino

[latent roost]

Is that even allowed???

Surely not

U covering all sides now

[latent roost]

This shit gonna crash serv when u drop 1 wall lmaoo

[normal mantle]

I don’t even know. Exactly. But all I got from an admin “can you take another picture of the ramp” after the urgent ticket has been open for 18+ hours. Like bro it’s over urgent ticket with no response or check the situation insane. Never had issue with tickets being handled on other servers. I could only imagined a non urgent ticket lol

[latent roost]

It clearly says 1 side open

if ur racer is allowed u can drop anythingggggg

Bcs u don’t get shot from the back

[normal mantle]

Bro the back ramps covered the ass of the racer

[latent roost]

Yes

1 side need to be open

[normal mantle]

It was fully covered.

Even ground turrets didn’t shoot it

[latent roost]

Yeah thats what I mean

Should be a straight ban

[normal mantle]

I agree but after 18 hours no response and they still aren’t banned we just gave up. I think people only get banned for cheating or owt

Or at events for illegal stuff

[latent roost]

That’s messed up

It’s clearly breaking rules

[normal mantle]

Yeah. I Like the game, but coming back to that and doing a proper ticket and the time it takes to get a response no bueno m. Might have to put ark down for abit again

[pure lantern]

Idk about clearly

Those pictures are very blurry

If you were asked for for info it’s simply because we can’t make out the photo is all

From just off how you are describing it, sounds illegal

[open girder]

this will always be a 50-50 opinion

[tawdry kindle]

50% people that actually raid 50% bobs that just doesnt know how to defend against it lol

[blazing schooner]

Most people only complain about it being too offline... The majority of people know how to defend online

[shut elm]

People claim you can defend against it offline. But there is no defense and the delay is very small especially on 5 man, having either 5 racers running down as a train or 5 around the tower placing c4 at the same time. It takes 0 skill to do. There should be risk in every action and there is none with racers lol

Only people who want to offline raid everyone because they either cannot online raid or are too scared to online raid complain about not having 7 gates.

Other problem are racer trains, 1 racer has the back open, shove another racer right up to it with the front open but back closed off and walk together and gg not against the rules technically and can bypass all turrets

[normal mantle]

lol they did last thing you just mentioned. Like did you raid me?? Haha

Exactly the people who can’t online raid racer build. I PvP not god like but ok and I only online raid. Shoot don’t get me started of how many tribes popcorn their loot

Hours of raiding for 0 loot

But hey admins say it’s not bannable, old ASE servers some were bannable. Wish I like ASE but that grapple glitch is g/@/(y lose a whole wall nah I’m out

I guess Atleast insiding is hardwired banned

[red bobcat]

your just coping

you cant even put more gates anymore its impossible to build illega

[red bobcat]

its a survival game you hav to be online to defend thats the point

[blazing schooner]

That's how I know ur a bob

[red bobcat]

they limited gates to 1 below even 3 sides boxed you have to finish with walls

have you not played this wipe?

[blazing schooner]

Yeah but you can still get it full boxed... That's the whole point bro

Did u even play this wipe? xD

[pure lantern]

That’s not intended

Gate limit is 7, the event prevents thing is a bug

But yes you can slant them

And we ban people who slant the back ones

[blazing schooner]

Ahhh even worse

[pure lantern]

Isn’t worse

Raiding should be possible

[blazing schooner]

Offlining a outside tower is boring asf

[pure lantern]

I feel once again you guys fail to realize everyone advocating for the racer build to stay the same, can have that used against them

But can easily counter it

By being competent players

It’s really not difficult to counter

https://tenor.com/view/wwb-bbc-stomping-animal-wild-life-gif-17288109

[blazing schooner]

Don't wanna argue with a admin that only played asa ngl... I just don't feel like it... bcs u never experienced it the other way around

[pure lantern]

I play servers without box racers currently, and you can base it on I’ve only played Asa but I’m also in the very top of Asa skill ceiling no ego

I enjoy raiding and any change to reduce that I’m going to fight

It really comes down to the fact that people want their base to be untouchable when offline

That’s just not what ark is, and should not be

[blazing schooner]

The self glazing is crazy xD

[pure lantern]

I’m not self glazing

[blazing schooner]

ok xD

[pure lantern]

I’m just stating as an experienced player who has never been successfully raided on Asa

It’s dumb that you can’t be raided

So no, a change to further increase the strength of defending is not something that should be allowed

[blazing schooner]

It's not that people don't want their base to be untouchable... It's that people that can only put one turret cap in their custom/ cave can do something outside and not just spend their precious time on building an outside that gets dropped in 30min

[latent roost]

Then claim a better cave

[pure lantern]

If your outside is getting dropped in 30 minutes it’s once again the players problem for building a bad outside

[shut elm]

Less than that on 5m

[blazing schooner]

Yeah me too... It's really hard to raid with those cave changes... But that's something they need to change about the cave not about the outside tower

[pure lantern]

You guys are actually not real bro

A good tower is not getting stopped in 30 minutes or less

It just isn’t

It takes longer than that to even place the c4 necessary to blow a shitty tower

And that’s with no proper defenses

[latent roost]

30 mins for a tower is crazy

that’s a long time

[blazing schooner]

Yes I get this point... But I think then we should push the no Terrain turret mod to EA asap (hopefully with ground turrets) so we can finally have a racer rebalance and some real fun with pt spin and actually higher skill gaps between people that know how to build a wall and people that just spread turrets around before

[pure lantern]

It’s going to be back asap

It was broke with the engine

[blazing schooner]

👍🏻

[pure lantern]

And will be refined as we go

But once again I stand on the point that effort = reward

If you take the time to build a god tower

It won’t be dropped

Exhibit A

[merry burrow]

No terrain turrets aint gonna change much in regards to box racers unless ur in a wide open cave

[pure lantern]

Our tower that stood for 5 days offline

Just takes effort to secure defenses

[blazing schooner]

With a good tower design it takes longer... But sometimes it's just not affordable in the beginning to build a lot against racer... But yeah 3 people with racer can drop ur tower in 30min ngl

[pure lantern]

People want to throw up some turrets and cap em and expect safety

[pure lantern]

But you shouldn’t be building towers if you can’t make them worth

At that point a shitty tower is gonna get stego bug dropped anyways

[blazing schooner]

What wipe day was this?

[pure lantern]

4th or 5th 2 5mans ago

[blazing schooner]

I rather have this ngl... Then 3 box racers just placing C4 Ngl

[pure lantern]

But we were a full good tribe

But it’s the same concept and punishes raiders

Instead of defenders

Which is who should he punished for shitty builds

Idk how anyone can disagree with that

[blazing schooner]

I can agree that better builds gives more time for you to come online... But you build this day 5 on a 5man... Now imagine people on day 5 on 3 man or even solo-duo... You won't have enough to build things like that... And even higher offline timer... That's just not realistic to have such an op offline raid method for towers

And you had a good 5 man like u said... Imagine some random ass Tribe or people that's can't even start with 5 or 3 man on a 5 man or 3man server because their mates are busy for the wipe day

It's fine for 5man I guess bcs most of the time you have someone online

But for 3man and solo-duo it's just not it man

[pure lantern]

Not to mention discord tribe logs

[blazing schooner]

Yeah true

[blazing schooner]

Wish they weren't pay to win😅 but I get that people that have such a big server wanna make an income

[pure lantern]

15$ for a whole tribe to monitor their base offline woth 2x turret dmg and 3x structure

[blazing schooner]

In the end it's still an advantage were u need to pay for it... Doesn't matter how much it cost... But yeah 15$ is not that much

Carnage do you think when the mod gets fixed u agree with nerfing the racer for that wipe?

Bcs caves gonna be way easier to raid then

[pure lantern]

I would have to see how the turret mod truly affects raided

Realistically smart players will just hang thin pillars from the ceiling

[blazing schooner]

Doesn't matter bcs thin pillers are way easier to destroy with pt c spins and also allows people to Tek rifle and even Tek saddles can destroy them

It's gonna be way more balanced trust

[pure lantern]

Can’t pt c spin tek rifle tho

[blazing schooner]

It was always the ceiling teks that ruined it... But with them needing to be on a structure... Pt rocket run, Tek rifle behind a stego or even LOS things gonna help a lot

[blazing schooner]

xD... Not what I said

[pure lantern]

I know but

If it’s a tek thin pillars

It’s gonna be tough

[blazing schooner]

Better then 20k on a Tek turret😅