Remove Terrain Turrets

[vivid flint]

Bro bred the lazy Arthros

They were not locked in

You gotta whistle attack my target

And shoot a foundation

And it’ll go

Once it starts attacking 1 thing it’ll continue

Solid Strat for TPs as well

Every tp in the game is on survivors only

[acoustic coral]

Strength on a pvp survival game should be shown in size, activity and skill.

Right now people place 125 turrets on walls, place orp, and talk shit from inside for 4 weeks
I mean people talk about offlines and stuff but i know several tribes with more playtime than myself who never built a front because of how strong these type of settings and caves are

[small trellis]

I see, cool to know. I was always able to whistle that in on one foundation. But then it always stopped and I needed to whistle next foundation.

[small trellis]

Building front might be useful, but hands down considering the effort and how simple it is to take down in most cases (#Racers), it's basically whatever.

But you are right, ceiling turrets are pain in the butt, always were.

[vivid flint]

But if you work hard enough racers are useless

[acoustic coral]

maybe hes only using 1 arthro, you need like 30! xD

[vivid flint]

Back to my proactive statement

If you grind and build a good outside

[crisp sandal]

flip a coin

[vivid flint]

A racer will take irl days to drop it

[vivid flint]

Not the Tropicana thing over again xD

[acoustic coral]

dudes dont even attach the center structure to the outside cage correctly

[acoustic coral]

hahah that fuckin guy, you know i went to his base to look, he had like 15 of his turtle fall under his base. i almost made a troll report he was mesh breeding xD

that base location has so many holes

[small trellis]

I have probably never faced your outside, because so far what I have seen, I was always able to cheese it. Something more easily, something more harder, but still.

[vivid flint]

Our outside on duo

Half tek half metal

Vault dropped

Multi caged

Half turret settings

8 generators

[crisp sandal]

2 racers it’s gone

[vivid flint]

Took them 3 irl days to offline it

[acoustic coral]

damn bro this like an ad in the back of a magazine

[vivid flint]

You are not a real player

[acoustic coral]

tropicana never got in lol, i think its still up

[crisp sandal]

idk how y’all struggle so much

[acoustic coral]

long live oasis!

[crisp sandal]

it’s funny

[vivid flint]

I mean fr bro

I haven’t logged in on duo in 3 weeks

My 5 day oasis build is still up

It’s bricked

[small trellis]

Very weird. I obviously can't attempt to do it myself since I didn't play, but I don't see it being massive issue either.

[vivid flint]

I played Friday to Tuesday on that wipe, 5 days, and built a cave that lasts a month? How is that balanced

[acoustic coral]

our day 1 hunter untouched, no outside. had 3 ppl so far try to raid it, one got close. xD

[small trellis]

I don't think its only about people being unable to raid it. Some people simply don't raid it.

If you don't piss off anyone, people simply don't even try properly. Maybe some small attempts but nothing serious.

[acoustic coral]

let me show you my insane hunter build!

[small trellis]

Many people don't know how to raid.

[crisp sandal]

told you 80% of player base is bobs who don’t know how to raid

[vivid flint]

Me and broken are the definition of pissing people off tho

[small trellis]

Like after few weeks in the wipe when the population settles, many people are just breeding dinos and minimum are raiding.

[acoustic coral]

ummm all i do is piss ppl off, and noone is outside.....

[vivid flint]

We rush tek suit and then are on ext only for the rule of wipe

[crisp sandal]

after few weeks? shi dead within 1

[small trellis]

Maybe people are scared of you. 😄

[acoustic coral]

this line of thinking is more ASE oriented. players arent hardened like that anymore

new generation of gamers just cant think further ahead than 3 days

[vivid flint]

You don’t even know what your talking about

5 man had 254 people on it 10th day

[crisp sandal]

and now look at it

[vivid flint]

Like u cannot be a real human

[crisp sandal]

9 pop

[vivid flint]

Because what is there to do bro?

You cannot raid

[crisp sandal]

Yes you can

[vivid flint]

No one wants to pve breed for weeks

[crisp sandal]

y’all just ass

[vivid flint]

It’s 15x

[acoustic coral]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-yoshi-mario-discord-gif-12444703281338986867

[small trellis]

But honestly, I have seen most raiders not really playing that well, but there were some, which kinda surprised me. I think its a lot about who you face. I think if someone who knows how to raid tried to raid you, I don't think it would take them 3 irl days to raid ourside.

[crisp sandal]

15x isnt dead because of turrets 😂

[vivid flint]

I am gonna make a suggestion for a suggestion thread that requires an iq test to enter

[acoustic coral]

ive actually always said you should have to post a base tour video first

[vivid flint]

Need an asa advisor role or something ima actually ask Ronnie if we can get that for our experienced asa players

[crisp sandal]

yeah need that for y’all

[acoustic coral]

He must live in a rathole, cause this change is going to decimate rathole players

[vivid flint]

That’s what I’m thinking

Dudes definitely a center floating island main

[acoustic coral]

there are so many rathole players, i have a friend on SD who i shit you not has raided probably 90 ratholes this wipe. We've been calling him the rat slayer

[crisp sandal]

pearl rn

[small trellis]

That actually might be true

[crisp sandal]

who builds ratholes

😂

[small trellis]

Many people

[crisp sandal]

BOBS

[acoustic coral]

oh hes scared to put a wall in pearl. makes sense as well

show us your pearl build

[crisp sandal]

i have 3 walls in pearl

[small trellis]

Which is why admins here dont want to nerf ratholes to not hurt population

[crisp sandal]

am at school gangy

[vivid flint]

It’s more about base spots

People don’t like caves on here

Cause of 6x

They like their op 1x base spots

[small trellis]

I honestly miss building the alpha pillar

[crisp sandal]

there ain’t even crouch caves anymore a that’s y’all’s buff to raid

[small trellis]

I played there many wipes but after removal of teslaa and turret limit reduction it doesnt make sense anymore.

[crisp sandal]

tesla had to go ngl

[vivid flint]

The suggestion votes speak for themselves

The pve bobs mostly left when ext boom disappeared

[crisp sandal]

yeah 1400 thumbs down

[vivid flint]

This same suggestion got bombed back in January

[crisp sandal]

and only 56 up votes

[vivid flint]

Now it’s popping

[crisp sandal]

take this to twitter

[vivid flint]

Only a few more like you left

[crisp sandal]

i mean raiding will be 100x easier for us atleast

ion rlly care

but there is no challenge anymore

few birds and everyone wall is coming down

[vivid flint]

https://tenor.com/view/scarey-boo-rawr-cute-gif-22290620

[sharp helm]

Yea even more online raids for u demon!!!

[crisp sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/shoebill-murder-bird-stare-gif-21134672

[crisp sandal]

i only online?

😂😂😂

[sharp helm]

Ur the man!! 🤙🤙

[full osprey]

lol doubt it bud

[acoustic coral]

@vivid flint am i a good builder?

Day1 hunter cave, never raided, 2 wipes now

[crisp sandal]

one tek rex

[sharp helm]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-4375529952616887689

[acoustic coral]

lmao i can give you one, and when you fail will you never speak again

[winter jungle]

Ark community at its best, i cant raid when someone is online, i can only offline raid and only when enemy has no turrets, bets case he hase only a stone base and is offline.

I dont get you guys... with over 2k hours in DayZ, Scum and Rust can tell you that nothing is more boring than an offline raid or a raid which is easly done in 10 sec.! At some point nobody raids for ressources, you raid for fun and if its more complicatated best case somebody is online defending this is the most fun you can have, even when you fail the raid.

[sharp helm]

Are u having fun destroying 125 teks on the ceiling on players only while a basi is spamming the custom stego entrance?

Or wait let me guess you don’t do those big raids

[winter jungle]

yes i do. More complicated raid is always more fun.

best case some is only and we can pvp during the raid

[sharp helm]

I can tell you’ve raided a lot of big bases recently

[winter jungle]

and if i fail, i fail, thats normal. Not every raid is a success

but yeah maybe i have a diffrent mindset because i came from other games like DayZ, Rust and Scum to Ark.

and no i didnt raid anything in this game the last month because i didnt played since extinction release and was checking for some wipe dates and found this very intresting post here where i had to roll my eyes that people leaving server because its to hard to raid xD

take a kaki + some turtels, strap them with C4 and throw them into the turrets and make boom 😉 could be a way. Maybe you can clear some spam and just build into it, take a raft or a zepelin. Sometimes espaccaly ratholes you dont even need to soak anything clusternades, rocketlauncher and tek nades your friends there. Nothing is unraidable, use your brain make a stretegy and get it. Thats what makes most fun, they way getting in, the loot is not intresting anyway.

[acoustic coral]

its only funny cause hes like so confident

[winter jungle]

and when they are online and we can pvp against them for like 2 - 3 hours its also fun and we go without raiding them from the server. Then we can come on antother day again and have more fun pvping around their base 😉

[bright night]

Raiding is what makes this game so special. There is nothing else like it.

Old ase raiding, that is.

[sharp helm]

🤣

[winter jungle]

you see there is the diffrence, i have fun in killing people and haveing nice fights. 😉

[vivid flint]

The rust argument Dosent count

I have 13k hours in rust but the game is extremely balanced in raiding

[winter jungle]

if offline raiding that fun for you, you dont need to play on a multiplayer server. You can build a base in the single player and then go raid it 😉

[sharp helm]

As i assumed ur a bot

[vivid flint]

Ark u play 3 days and ur base is secure for 2 weeks

[acoustic coral]

or like my hunter 1 day and its all wipe

[vivid flint]

With how much u advertise the damn thing people probably know there isn’t any loot

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-meme-gif-26978290

Lololol

I’m sowwy crack

[acoustic coral]

our pearl cave on that same island had the best theri, basi, carcha, giga lines in it up till tulkas had to leave for work 2 days ago

and i did breed dinos in there for 2 weeks prior to the pearl cave breeding xD

[winter jungle]

it is balanced, rust maybe the most balanced. But in the end it makes only fun when your enemys are online and you can shoot some people 😉

And Scum was the hardest so far because explosives are so rare there. And 9 out of 10 raid are failing and nobody complains. people writing there GG after the raid when they had fun pvping for like 3 - 7 hours or more.

[compact drum]

One turret not being on only survivors counters this entire method

Ah yes let me drive my raft onto dry land through a stego sized cave entrance!

I dont think any of you shitters are getting the point

No one here wants “easy offline raids”

We want raiding ppl with a brain online to be possible

[vivid flint]

Rafts are disabled on ea

Also the whole point of this suggestion is to online bases

Idk people keep saying we want more off lines

[compact drum]

One tek turret btw

Ppl on here think thats normal

[mental spear]

Super ez solution to this dumb suggestion. I'll sink my foundations into the ground where you have to mek or arthro it.

All your doing is nerfing the ppl defending as we. Next we will drop turret cap and lower ammo cap. I'm with ark lover if yall wanna change to ase settings so bad just go to ase. It's a new game learn how to get around it instead of nerfing it. And who ever said smalls is different bc you don't have unlimited resources hasn't played smalls the right way

[compact drum]

what?

what does that have to do with this suggestion at all

[compact drum]

That is the whole point you moron

nerf defending because its too unbalanced right now

defenders should always imo have the advantage

but they had the advantage in ASE. and asa had done NOTHING but add a shit tonne MORE advantages to defending

"just go back to ase" is the most brain dead point u guys can make

ppl voted for teslas to be removed. why are u even on eliteark anyway. just go back to official

the whole point of suggestions is to suggest things to improve the gameplay

and the gameplay on asa as it is. IS NOT enjoyable

my personal experience has shown me that.
the performance of ASA vs ASE shows that.
the votes on these polls shows that
the wipe length on ASA shows that.

the state of ark content creators shows that.

[compact drum]

yeah go on tell me how you get around it plz

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1366098531420606516/1366611142159368252/cant_tek_nade_turrets.mp4?ex=68123c0e&is=6810ea8e&hm=2270eba6db040b20008945ad5e7ec7b5ea81489a6d1d5ffe645b752b0a8ef825&

ONE non-orp tek turret shooting at a stego rider here

before u gimps come say "tek rex it!!!"

thats how long a STEGO rider lasts being shot by ONE TEK

[crisp sandal]

ima triple stack foundations or cliff plats into 1

they can spent 100 c4 for one turret

[crisp sandal]

just leave bro y’all trash anyways

[crisp sandal]

lol smalls is not limited resources HAHAHA

[bright night]

#🧂ark-salt message

[compact drum]

yeah great point u made here bro really disproved everything i said

[bright night]

You're a pc player that wants flamethrowers back.

Enough said.

[compact drum]

dont entertain it bro

hes some 15 year old tryna rage bait

[bright night]

Ik he has to be a troll.

[mental spear]

I just watched a smooth brain try to face tank a tek turret and not understand what splash dmg is. Blow the wall tek tappy or Rex it owl dive it learn to raid. I only agree with this suggestion if it's for solos only bc player only you have to soak on a stegos but duos you just gotta learn how to work together one soak the other teks it it's not rocket science.

[bright night]

I refuse to believe anything else.

[compact drum]

it was to prove a point

if you think one tek should do that much to a stego rider then theres no point in this conversation

[crisp sandal]

your just ass pal

[compact drum]

fob me

?

[crisp sandal]

what server

[compact drum]

5man center 1 north ice

[mental spear]

It always have. Sounds like your issue is orp and not understanding what splash dmg is.

[compact drum]

they are not orp in that video

also not my video btw

[mental spear]

That video is the equivalent of me walking up to a giga using a sword and raging bc It killed me.

[compact drum]

and ive played ark since 2015

[crisp sandal]

go back to ase dawg

and u don’t know how to counter terrain turrets still

😭

[compact drum]

holy shit there are some braindead people in this discord

what do u do on elite ark bro

[crisp sandal]

me?

[compact drum]

dont answer i already know

[bright night]

Asa is not as competitive as ase, a lot of newer players.

[crisp sandal]

asa is better then ase and y’all tryna bring ase back

[bright night]

But asa has so much potential to be really good.

[compact drum]

you sit there in your base in a circle with your tribe mates with your dicks in your hands waiting till everyone quits then go on an offline spree

[crisp sandal]

yeah as it is

so leave it BE

[mental spear]

I'm glad you are finally seeing the issue there are alot of braindead ppl that can't raid to save their lives.

[compact drum]

give me one metric that shows this?

[crisp sandal]

less duping less meshing

[compact drum]

ahahahahaha

[bright night]

Don't be silly.

[crisp sandal]

all my mesh and dupe methods been patched

there’s a few now

[compact drum]

OH MY GOD

[bright night]

At least make bait believe bro.

[crisp sandal]

and i miss my show methods

[compact drum]

ahahahaha you cannot be real

less duping less meshing ahahahahahaha

your fucking killing me right now

[crisp sandal]

don’t forget the better graphics

[bright night]

Were you here for the extinction launch?

[crisp sandal]

what’s extinction?

[compact drum]

fuck extinction launch

DID you play island>?!?!??!?!??!

[bright night]

Tek atv all over again.

[compact drum]

where 80% of caves just straight up had HOLES inthem

[crisp sandal]

i play crystal isle now

[compact drum]

there was about 18 entrances into ezuw from the mesh

[crisp sandal]

yes my ice cave holes

no more meshing…

[compact drum]

better graphics is a valid point. that has no bearing on mechanics/gameplay though

[mental spear]

Asa is better than ase but not bc of less hacking.

[crisp sandal]

yep

[compact drum]

then because of what

gameplay wise*

[crisp sandal]

asa has way less cheaters

[compact drum]

im just ignoring u now

[crisp sandal]

less dupers less meshers

[compact drum]

pixel please let me know specifically what asa is better at gameplay wise than ase

cuz right not ase is 50th on steam charts vs ASA 80th

cuz right now if you go on battlemetrics and sort asa servers by players 8 out of the top 10 are pve servers

cuz right now if you go on youtube or twitch the majority of content creators in the PVP community have gone back to ase.

[crisp sandal]

you should go back also

[compact drum]

cuz right now ASA has ONE unofficial cluster being eliteark. and even then it cant hold pop that long.

[crisp sandal]

they waiting for other maps

[mental spear]

The graphics are better. The optimization is ass but being worked on. The maps are alot better yeah there are mesh holes but shit there are still mesh holes in ASE and it's been out for almost 10 years to the public.

[compact drum]

graphics are better but performance is worse. yes kinda irrelavant to gameplay mechanics though

[crisp sandal]

ASA: Huge improvement — projectile-based weapons (fab sniper, AR, shotguns) feel more accurate and consistent.

[compact drum]

you might just be spasticated?

[crisp sandal]

Turrets and explosives behave more predictably.

[compact drum]

for starters all 3 off those are not projectile. they are all hitscan

[crisp sandal]

oh my god this geek

[compact drum]

and secondly i implore you to find me one person who thinks weapons are more accurate and consistent on asa than ase

[crisp sandal]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[mental spear]

Asa offers alot more in items and customization. But it keeps getting taken away bc yall scared of anything new.

[compact drum]

customization and cosmetics yes

[small trellis]

Are we still going here?

[compact drum]

items?? you gonna have to elaborate on that

[sharp helm]

Its fine just need to aim half a body length above someones head to hit a comp headshot 🗿

[small trellis]

Hitboxes are better especially with arrow-based weapons on ASA compared to ASE (from my experience).

[crisp sandal]

facts

[compact drum]

hes talking about fabby/shotgun/AR

[small trellis]

I see, then I probably don't see big diff I guess, not sure since I didn't play ASE for a long time.

[sharp helm]

What da hell u must be rage baiting

[compact drum]

btw mouse smoothing was forcefully enabled until like 2 weeks ago lmao

[small trellis]

I just found it always funny how I hit something multiple times with crossbow and hits weren't recorded, even if arrows were stuck in the target.

[crisp sandal]

ASA Building fobs, traps, or defenses is faster and smoother thanks to the new structure pickup and snap system.
• Less time wasted fighting the build mechanics, more time PvPing.

[small trellis]

No, I mean it.

[sharp helm]

ASA hit reg and pvp is terrible compared to old game

[compact drum]

lets get off chat gpt and try and have an original thought.

[crisp sandal]

that’s mine dawg

[sharp helm]

If i bola someone on ASA 9/10 all my shotgun shots dsync and dont hit the guy

[crisp sandal]

ur wifi is shit

[compact drum]

tbh this is just both games tbh

[small trellis]

Nop, I have quit ASE and that was one of the reasons. On ASA it has improved quite a bit. Its not perfect, but its better.

[mental spear]

The steam forge, the megalab, the majority of bobs tall tales, the things yall have removed like the Tesla coil never got to use it but it seemed intriguing. I agree removing the fire dmg stuff not sure why we kept the fire wyvern.

[crisp sandal]

100x better

[sharp helm]

Not really old game i could actually shoot someone’s toes if he was shielding on this game just no hit reg

[crisp sandal]

pocket flame throwers

[small trellis]

Sometimes servers don't run ideally, thats different story though.

[compact drum]

as someone with 8k on ase and 1k on asa i havent noticed any difference in hit reg/ consistency just that until mouse smoothing setting was added 2 weeks ago AIMING on asa was just so wierd my mouse movements just didnt feel right

[crisp sandal]

ur mouse sensor is ass

[compact drum]

right so u are a tesla coil enthusiast.

[mental spear]

8k?

[compact drum]

g pro x superlight aka the most used mouse in competitive gaming but yeah sure

[crisp sandal]

9k hours on a game and you can’t get around terrain turrets

[compact drum]

hours

[crisp sandal]

AHAH

[crisp sandal]

i already know the type of person you are

[mental spear]

Didn't say that. I'm just not afraid of new items. Yeah I know you meant hours but why so little?

[compact drum]

dont leave my game open/afk or streaming logs like most people.

so thats actual play time

[crisp sandal]

9k hours of real play and can’t get around terrain turrets

ouch

[compact drum]

again feel free to fob me

[crisp sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-ape-bad-ape-catfoodcannon-gif-18414114400761048373

[crisp sandal]

i ain’t on 5man

[compact drum]

you were tho

[mental spear]

Yeah I have combined around 25k or something like that

[crisp sandal]

yeah we quit

[compact drum]

mmhm

[crisp sandal]

went to 100x for now

prob will wait till crystal isle idk

[mental spear]

Also breeding is better in Asa

[crisp sandal]

Raising is better

everything is better

[bright night]

There is definitely a difference. The third person camera is much different on asa. Also hitboxes are messed up.

When you are fighting someone the hitbox is almost always the default male character.

Its really apparent in comp fights.

So you need to aim well above small female characters to hit the head with compbow.

[mental spear]

I know this is going to sound like a stupid question but I wonder if that was Wild Card trying to remove the everyone makes the same midget black female character what if the hitbox was actually intentional

[small trellis]

It actually could be that - simply the logic that looks don't matter, the hitbox is still same. From balance perspective it makes sense, but from gameplay perspective its messy.

[vivid flint]

there was ini settings before this to remove mouse smooth

but as someone with limited time on ase

my main reason for not liking ase

was that i couldnt use the weapons

[compact drum]

im fairly certain u had to disable frame gen for that

[vivid flint]

like i couldnt use a comp bow or shotgun

at all

JUST would not work for me

onase

[vivid flint]

it was a setting you had to reput in everytime you went in and out of photo mode

just added it to an ini command and refreshed with copy paste

we found it a few months before

actually goon found it

[full osprey]

Are we nerds or what man?

[vivid flint]

I’m an admin for an ark server bro

I’m a nerd

[jaunty horizon]

Everyone has a hobby

[full osprey]

I have same or more hrs on rust console lollll

[compact drum]

Calling people nerds in the big 25

On a dinosaur game discord server suggestion channel furthermore

We all in the same boat buddy

[mental spear]

@compact drum lmao what a nerd you play a dinosaur game.....

[jaunty horizon]

Guys please keep the channel to the suggestion topic. No salt or off topic/ non related discussion cause then all the inputs gone way above

[acoustic coral]

@compact drum if you wanna add it to your clip folder xD just so many instances in my folder of these turrets obliterating players before aplay can even be made.

Yes lets just racer, c4 pt whistle every base cause you placed 50 turrets on survivor only. This was before we raided for our 2k dura chest and legs. but still

[winter jungle]

strap it with C4, it landed perfectly middle of the crafting area;) die there, respawn take your C4 remote and blow that shit 😉

and sometimes it just a skill issue. Its normal that you fail sometimes, nobody has a 100% raid success, game would be boring as hell when it would be that easy.

[vivid flint]

How would he do that with tame turrets in the back room?

You don’t even know what ur talking about bro

The second he enters the jump up the c4 is blown

[compact drum]

Bro whattt?!?!?!?!??

Can we please gate suggestions behind like a basic knowledge test

Make a flipping mini quiz that gives u a role to access suggestions cuz the shit i read on here scares me

[winter jungle]

you have eyes? this is the carfting area of his raid target! or did he got teleported in his own base by a tek turret? Where is the issue to strap C4 on a tame, maybe on him self from his mate and just blow it?

Rly tell me what should not work here? Or is C4 Strapping turned of on this server?

and when you now wanna tell me that the C4 remote controller dont have enough range. Yes then clear the room before the crafting first in this way!

I have to leave this... to many low IQ's here!

[compact drum]

brooo

stop your making it worse

youre in a 6 foot deep hole and youve just pulled out a bigger shovel

[vivid flint]

Need to find who paid that guy

[compact drum]

ive taken a moment to calm down and now will point out the obvious to you.

when c4 is strapped to a tame or person

and that person gets shot by a turret

the c4 blows up

instantly

do you now understand why your method would not work?

[winter jungle]

i see you didnt watched the video! he get the firtst player hit after he is already in the crafting! which would mean everything is blown up without you using a C4 remote when you strap the c4 on the player. You rly should watch the video the guy posted and not only comment things without to invest 10 sec to watch the facts the guy posted.

And besides that you have 1000 other possibilities espacally when he is playing dou wiith a mate or bigger tribe, he wrote "we". So where the issue that 1 guy soak and the other tek rex the turrets? You ever tried a cluster or tek nade or even a rocket launcher and clear the "wall" on the left first and do it one by 1? Explosion radius is insanly high in ASA compared to ASE.

Or you expect that you raid everything with 1 try? sometimes you ahve to dive 20 - 30 times until you get in and loose a ton of tames. Yeah but i dont care about that i dont raid for profit, i raid for fun and when i loose 100 tames to get in i loose 100 tames but i have fun on the way getting in.

Also the entrance is such big, maybe he could build a zeppelin and just c4 everything away without getting a single hit... yeah its bit tricky maybe you lose the first 3 - 5 zeppelins until you have the angle without getting hits. (no idea if its allwoed here).

Pls dont tell me thats an unraidable base.... because then we have to stopp to discuss.

[compact drum]

i gave you a chance to end it there and you didnt take it.

this is the first time he gets shot

u can tell from his flak dura..

so you are fucking wrong

do you understand now?

[compact drum]

infact he gets shot even before this.

"i see you didnt watched the video! he get the firtst player hit after he is already in the crafting! which would mean everything is blown up without you using a C4 remote when you strap the c4 on the player. You rly should watch the video the guy posted and not only comment things without to invest 10 sec to watch the facts the guy posted." i see youre blind cuz youve sat there analysing the video trying to prove me wrong and cant even tell when he is first being shot when there is literally flak dura on the screen to tell u... you should really think before speaking

"And besides that you have 1000 other possibilities espacally when he is playing dou wiith a mate or bigger tribe, he wrote "we". So where the issue that 1 guy soak and the other tek rex the turrets? You ever tried a cluster or tek nade or even a rocket launcher and clear the "wall" on the left first and do it one by 1? Explosion radius is insanly high in ASA compared to ASE." i see your retrded if you think shooting a rocket launcher to clear the wall is gonna work because hey what do you know heavy turrets shoot rockets!!! and please let me know when tek rexes became able to look straight up and/or fly!

Or you expect that you raid everything with 1 try? sometimes you ahve to dive 20 - 30 times until you get in and loose a ton of tames. Yeah but i dont care about that i dont raid for profit, i raid for fun and when i loose 100 tames to get in i loose 100 tames but i have fun on the way getting in. "i see your missing the whole point entirely because you arent gonna make it on first try or the second try or the third or the fourth. your player is going to die off of whatever your using almost instantly every time until the turrets are soaked. this is the issue. soaking is the only viable strat.

Also the entrance is such big, maybe he could build a zeppelin and just c4 everything away without getting a single hit... yeah its bit tricky maybe you lose the first 3 - 5 zeppelins until you have the angle without getting hits. (no idea if its allwoed here). " yeah bro let me just build a zeppelin and fly it around turret to turret strapping each one with c4 without being shot at alll sounds like that could work! (since you are quite thick in the head this is called sarcasm and what your saying here is straight up dumb)

Pls dont tell me thats an unraidable base.... because then we have to stopp to discuss. ***"i see you think this is a discussion. for it to be a discussion youd have to bring something to the table other than stupidity. no one claimed its unraidable. its very raidable. the point of the videos as he clearly stated was to show how fast the player gets obliterated by even a small number of turrets ***

[vivid flint]

lol

Adzz really did not take that

[compact drum]

im genuinely sick of idiots with obviously no clue on BASIC game mechanics telling me "just c4 it bro!, just tek rex it bro!"

[vivid flint]

Everyone has their opinions but the comments that are throw in here without any real consideration if that raid strat would work does getting annoying

[scarlet dagger]

well tbf i do think he could strap the mana with c4 if all the turrets are on only survivors and if it doesnt get hit by splash of the turret but that wont really help to much here since its all terrain turrets

i could be totally wrong tho

[compact drum]

bro

i literally just sent a screen shot of when he first gets shot

[scarlet dagger]

yh i know

but it seems like its all only survivors

and unless the mana gets splashed i'm fairly certain it wont explode the c4

[compact drum]

so tek turrets do this thing called splash damage

im losing my mind

[scarlet dagger]

yh thats what i said

[compact drum]

@narrow nebula can u mute me from suggestions please

[acoustic coral]

The c4 ideas are always crazy, these are turrets on a ceiling. Even if they didn't get shot, how would that help?

[compact drum]

im losing the plot

[scarlet dagger]

i mean did you read what i said?

i said if you dont get splashed and i also said wont really help since its all terrain turrets

[vivid flint]

The turrets in the back room are on tames aswell

They all shot

That idea just wouldn’t work

[compact drum]

yeah bro lets just cross our fingers and hope the tek turrets decide to stop doing splash damage today for the first time ever!

[acoustic coral]

Also that night I did fly a zeppelin some turrets were on players and mounted and blew up the zeppelin lol

[vivid flint]

Adzz is gonna need therapy after this suggestion

[acoustic coral]

I might still have the whole raid attempt recorded if people would like to analyze more

[compact drum]

like i literally just disproved the point he just made about 30 minutes ago with screenshots

and he came back and made THE SAME point

[acoustic coral]

Lmao some people you just can't win man

[vivid flint]

It’s fine we just need to keep getting upvotes

[crisp sandal]

no

im taking this down

[vivid flint]

Oh my god he’s back

Yah I’m out

[compact drum]

now its definitely time to stop reading here arklover69 just got home from school

[crisp sandal]

i been home

[compact drum]

shits about to get a whole lot dumber guys

[crisp sandal]

yall just love to talk to me

[vivid flint]

https://tenor.com/view/i-played-these-games-before-seong-gi-hun-squid-game-season-2-i-am-familiar-with-these-games-lee-jung-jae-gif-8085560218877685694

[crisp sandal]

🙂

i think cliff plats should be removed

to much c4

[vivid flint]

Dudes gonna say why didn’t your duo grapple to the mana and rocket or some shit

[crisp sandal]

and turrets should have less hp and less dmg cmon

[crisp sandal]

homing rockets are the play wdym

[acoustic coral]

a lot of people like to bring up my duo, why doesnt duo do this do that. i mean what if brother was sleeping

[crisp sandal]

yk what we need a hatchframe mod

im tired of building hatchframes from pillars

[compact drum]

nah bro u and your duo should have 3,2,1 double strapped the mana so only one of the c4s get shot and u can blow every turret!

[vivid flint]

In 1 run!

Better yet, c4 the crafting station and not the turrets so all the loot despawns!

[scarlet dagger]

at this point if i couldnt get in without a fuck ton of work i'd do it lmao

with how aids raiding shit like that is

[vivid flint]

Oh 100%

That wasent entirely satire

Sometimes I’ve Ran the crafting just to grief

Cause u simply can’t get in

[acoustic coral]

so in the one clip you see me putting the manas on aggro... they were dmg manas i sent in to just kill them, tames and crafting xD

[scarlet dagger]

what suprises me is that people dont complain alot about the generators either, these cs gens are absurd, you can spam 20 of em and you barely see them so even if you can get past all of that shit you need to find all those gens

[acoustic coral]

my front entrance has 15

[scarlet dagger]

actually crazy

[vivid flint]

They are easy to break

[scarlet dagger]

not easy to find tho

[acoustic coral]

i do wish they were like 10x cost or burned 10x as fast

[vivid flint]

97% of people place them under vaults

[acoustic coral]

should feel rewarding

[vivid flint]

Which just tells me where it’s at

Instead of in foundys

[scarlet dagger]

yh i personally have like one vault dropped and then just spam a couple more around in the foundations

[vivid flint]

My gens are almost always in foundys

Unless I’m in 1x

[acoustic coral]

i can never find my own gens, thats why they all get 50 ele xD

[scarlet dagger]

omnitool xd

i used to just go around certain areas where i knew a gen should be and just started transfering element lol

[vivid flint]

Same bro

In oasis I could not tell you where they are

I just Omni tool standing somewhere in the middle

If I can’t find the gens how can the enemy!

[mental spear]

What about using a tek mosa?

[bright night]

Bump

[mental spear]

At this point I've had too much fun with adzz and carnage I'm removing my thumbs down

[compact drum]

w man

[bright night]

Big 60 hit.

[vivid flint]

Keep going chat

[stark halo]

Maybe remove tek terrain turrets? I don't see the problem with terrain heavies.

[mental spear]

You know through all the shit talk that is a pretty good compromise

[little ivy]

Terrain heavy’s isn’t a problem because they 9/10 don’t damage your character

[bright night]

Just remove all of them.

[compact drum]

breaking them

especially on caves with higher up ceilings that arent flyable

[obsidian vector]

Its not that we dont approve it, its making a mod//plugin to make it work

[mental spear]

Nah I'm good on removing all of them. Heavies aren't the issue the issue is the splash dmg that's what the whole suggestion conversation has been about. Heavies don't splash and you can facetank on a stego or Zeppelin or whatever. I get the vertical base spots gonna be hard but that's part of the game finding a defendable base spot

[acoustic coral]

Defendable and unraidable little different

[stark halo]

Nothing is unraidable unless it's in the mesh. I think if this server wants to give raiders a better chance, making high dura flak bps more accessible would go a long way as well.

[compact drum]

Haha

I think ive found unraidable

[vivid flint]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-meme-gif-26978290

I mean how many irl weeks do you want to spend on 1 raid bro

[compact drum]

well tbh i think ezuw is quite genuinely unraidable offline in under 2 weeks

if not for the luckiest ever racer play we pulled off

and these guys having horrible genny placement

their main wall in the "moonpool" part is still up

imma send a ss in a sec and i beg of any drone to tell me what will work to raid it

[acoustic coral]

Ez uw was wild lady 5 man it was 48 hours straight on 5 man offline haha. To me a 2 day raid with 5 ppl is pretty strong. Means online, not a chance. I personally can name 10 spots that even a downs person could defend infinitely online

That builder went wild too. Whole thing was pillared like you would hatches

[compact drum]

we literally spent all of yesterday on it

went to sleep woke up and luckily managed to bypass the whole wall on a racer

sounds easy but there are about 56 racers of mine abandoned right now infront of that wall

because orp tek turrets basically are doing 12x damage to my foundation on my racer build and literally 2 SHOT MY WHOLE BUILD

in addition to how stupid racers get trying to walk up ONE foundation

[compact drum]

only idea i had for this was somehow using the placement requirements for foundations

as in somehow make it so that turrets can only be placed where foundies can be placed

no idea if thats an easy thing to replicate but

[acoustic coral]

Ya took us 2 days and I racered pass the last 300 turrets lol

[stark halo]

I mean, if it takes a literal week to raid the base, then they have a ton of turrets, so at what point is it unreasonable for someone to continue building out their base?

[void nacelle]

All this would be mute if Dino’s aggro’d to turrets like ase

Just saying

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-simpsons-homer-whistle-gif-3132297775970105154

[bronze plinth]

You can

Mod would simply just have to make new turrets

Like the old s+ turrets

I imagine you can just inherit the turret class?

[mental spear]

We definitely had an unraidable base location on 100x and LT and they both got meshed. Atleast unraidable online it was gonna be a solid week and a half offline

[still wyvern]

If we gon remove terrain turrets then we should remove tech rifle, tek saddle, and see how it goes. I would also like to see a 1 second delay on using a weapon when dismounting… put an end to all the stalker dash pt spin bs… but I want there to be more bases and people running around on the server not a ghost town where I rule alone lol

[acoustic coral]

So you enjoy soaking..... inting kits and dinos is part of raiding. #RaidingDoesntKillPop

[toxic canopy]

Go play singleplayer, you can rule there 😔

[still wyvern]

I’m not the one trying to wipe the server lol.

[toxic canopy]

Learn proper defending ^^

[still wyvern]

Sry I just play for fun and work a job… not everyone is 3k hrs kid

[toxic canopy]

Just throw the towel if you don‘t got time or any idea how to build in this game…

[still wyvern]

So you only want no lifers playing the game with you? Most people have jobs

[mental spear]

Check out 3man limited tek. That's what your looking for. I think there is still tek saddles but not tek suit or rifle.

[little ivy]

It’s a raiding game people should get raided. Shouldn’t be easy but it should not be borderline impossible in some caves

[toxic canopy]

The game is for no lifes, always was, there's a reason why i don't play anymore

[toxic canopy]

Yeah people don't get that somehow

[mental spear]

Ark is for ppl that like dinos and can't stay up 24/7 to play rust

[bright night]

Ark is more time consuming than rust,

[vivid flint]

What is this statement

Rust wipes are at most 4 days before you have done everything imaginable and have more loot than you could ever use

[mental spear]

Ark is not more time consuming. If you aren't on 24/7 in Rust you get wiped guaranteed. With Ark it's more lax just a little more grindy. But it doesn't matter it's not part of the suggestion he was just talking about this game being for no lifers and my opinion is we only got raided by getting meshed and we have a stupid offline timer.

It's more rewarding for no lifers but it's not just for no lifers.

[vivid flint]

Brother

I have 13k hours in rust

Ark is 3x more time consuming

[opaque imp]

Only if you suck at building

[acoustic coral]

imo ark is the most time consuming game ive ever played, unless you rat hole and raid stone bases. Almost any other game you can come and go as you please lol

[compact drum]

yup

its a game about time more than anything

[toxic canopy]

I remember back in the days that people held their timer in order to not get wiped, just because you can basically sleep now on unofficial with orp doesn‘t mean it is less time consuming than rust, some things still take forever

[vocal patrol]

Its the meta

[still wyvern]

Question is what’s better for the game fellas. IMO if we had more rewards for alpha tribes, maybe raid events maybe other point events to keep them busy then there be more bobs running around keeping the servers active… you guys would have bigger fish to fry so to speak. The most fun part of any wipe is the first few days when you could get jacked for all your goods. It’s less fun when you never see anyone

[compact drum]

i guess ill explain for the 48th time

there is nothing to keep the "alpha tribes" busy because online raiding on this game is borderline impossible

Offlining base spots such as underworld crouch and EZUW takes quite literally a full day like 16 hours

offlining ezuw we literally spent a whole day went to sleep woke up next day then finished the raid

so imagine if someone is there defending/refillling turrets. stopping your racer plays etc. you quite literally would have to fob for a week

[toxic canopy]

People won‘t understand that if people with lot of time can‘t raid anything without spending multiple days that they can‘t do those raids either with limited time

[compact drum]

some people do understand and dont care nonetheless

some people want it to be pve unraidable sim and wait till everyone quits to offline them

[compact drum]

but this is a very valid point

[mental spear]

Is there a point system in asa to show top tribe? I know I used to play a server where your tribe got points for destroying dinos structures and so on? What you do do since the no lifers want more action make the top 3 tribes with the highest points abled to be team raided. No rules for the amount of ppl at a raid. Would speed up raids and would also give med tier tribes the ability to enjoy the game the ways it's meant to be played. Not sure if that is something we can do tho.

You would have to allow alliances though. I think it's a solid suggestion. The only rule is that the top 3 tribes wouldn't be able to participate in the raid as a team if they wanted to raid a top 3 tribe or would have to be tribe v tribe.

The alphas would see more action bc of the chance that med tier tribes could have a chance to wipe which I think would introduce a lot more pvp and raiding.

[compact drum]

Or just rebalance the game to make late/end game raiding possible?

[mental spear]

Everyone has switched to a different server on EA by month 1 bc we come out with servers every 2 weeks.

I say after three days it's no mercy for the top three tribes.

[toxic canopy]

Official at release was easier to raid than the spots on Eliteark right now and that cryopod system was awful, should say enough about the current state of raiding

[bronze plinth]

Ngl ea needs to make every single cave in the game have an entrance atleast a carbo can fully walk through

It’s too easy to cap ur turrets making it impossible to raid some spots that you’re meant to ‘cheese’ if the defenders have infinite ammo and you have to throw in cryod tames that then get shot by 150 roof turrets

Tried raiding se land bridge about 6 months ago and the Korean dogs were account sharing and didn’t log off for 40 hours. How anyone was meant to raid that was beyond me when you died before you could c-spin 5 foundies into a cave

[compact drum]

Literally this

If 125 turrets are well placed and all shooting u with like a 2 tek 1 heavy ratio. Your dying

There is literally no cheese in this game other than a racer build (which i hope i dont have to explain why this is rarely possible due to choke points)

You get melted off every tame if turrets are placed right

Even a stego…

Dont get me wrong yh i shouldnt be face tanking a wall on a stego but on asa im dying from splash off my stego faster than i would die on any tame in ase. I survived longer on a pt in ase than i do on a stego on asa?!?!

[little ivy]

This clips self explanatory tbh

No tame fits thru this entrance, maybe a pelga

Drop down before this as well

[compact drum]

some people will watch this and say it aint ridiculous

[acoustic coral]

bro get on a zepplin

[bronze plinth]

Literally

If these dogs complain that you can soak their wall then they’re just shit

Just build towers

[vivid flint]

Then they complain their towers get dropped to easily lol

[vital hemlock]

towers r supposed to be easy to drop

[vivid flint]

im aware

[vital hemlock]

shit ur tribe this wipe almost wiped our tower in 15 min while i was off server

[swift gulch]

can turrets still be snapped sideways if u snap it to a double door or somet

or does it got to be on a ceiling or hatchframe

[steady horizon]

There’s no need to get rid of terrain turrets. We just need better bps for flak and saddles more accessible. Terrain turrets is one of the coolest features in the game and removing it is like going back to ase. Just go back to ase if you don’t want terrain turrets.

[vivid flint]

I disagree

[compact drum]

ah yes the better stego saddle is gonna change so much! you could double my flak dura and all it would change is i can live 4 seconds instead of 2 on a stego...

[tall valve]

just make arb crafting less streamlined and make turrets manual filling only

soaking becomes viable just like official

[acoustic coral]

i posted a SS from ASE 2 years ago, used to have a 5min pvp timer. this would help a bunch

[tall valve]

i agree just increase raid cooldown

also a big one

[true karma]

The thing is right you remove terrain turrets it ain't really gonna change much at all, place pillar in the ceiling turrets on that gonna have exactly the same problem

[vivid flint]

Your basing that opinion on the concept people won’t be lazy

They will be

[vital hemlock]

u can rifle structures, not turrets

same with tek rex

[true karma]

And how are you gonna peak to shoot the structures?

[vital hemlock]

racer

[true karma]

In a crouch?

[vital hemlock]

bro

[true karma]

Ur quite clearly missing the point

[vital hemlock]

ur just trying to create a certain scenario to make it look like ur right

[true karma]

🤣

[vital hemlock]

if ur in a cave

[true karma]

Im talking about the reason why people want terrain turrets removed

[vital hemlock]

it takes 1 for a pillar, vs like 8 for tek

same wit rockets

it just makes it easier to raid and harder to build, so pve bobs can just place 300 turrets all around and not get touched the entire wipe

your base shouldnt be able to do all the work for you, tribes should have to actively defend vs just using ORP as a denfence

[true karma]

The main reason ppl don't like terrain turrets is because of inside caves with small entrances n high ceilings

Almost no way to deal with it especially whilst online

[tall valve]

increase raid itmer

[deft mango]

could you not just decrease the turretlimit and increase the ORP turretdamage accordingly?

so you have an easier time to online compared to offlining

I feel the same as one guy below, I don't think terrain turrets per se are the problem, raiding people online should just be easier, so turrets can be destroyed and defenders turretcapped and forced to retaliate in combat instead of refilling turrets

if some caves/spots have chokepoints that can't be pushed other than soaking, then those caves should just be nerfed

[steady horizon]

Just go back to ase is my point if you don’t like terrain turrets lol

[steady horizon]

No matter what they do the Mob will always complain. If it’s hot they complain and if it’s cold they complain too. People are never happy. Anyone that doesn’t like terrain turrets should just go back to ase and the ones that like terrain turrets can play the improved asa. Very simple.

[vocal patrol]

Ur weird.

[steady horizon]

I might be weird but you cant call me a liar 🤣

[bright night]

This is a pvp game, raiding is a core part of it. It is what makes is so different than any other game.

Terrain turrets make raiding unfun and near impossible if you know where to place them.

Simple as.

[steady horizon]

Go play ase, simple.

[vivid flint]

Rat hole dweller detected

[vivid flint]

No one can agree on these changes

This is the only change I’ve seen people overwhelmingly agree on

[steady horizon]

Which change are people agreeing on?

[vivid flint]

This one

It has 70 upvotes

[toxic canopy]

It‘s so entertaining to see people defending terrain turrets

[fallen wind]

Das größere Problem ist auch eher dieser abnormale turret dmg

[steady horizon]

That’s 70 out of more than 10000 people on this server. That’s not even a 1 percent compared to the population of the server.

The 70 upvotes that we see here are the people that complain as a habit.

[vivid flint]

Have you ever used the suggestion tab

This is one of the most upvoted suggestions I’ve ever seen

[steady horizon]

There is 10000 people on the server, 70 upvotes is not a majority of votes. It’s not even a 1 percent

[vivid flint]

This guy

Look around the suggestions tab and get a feel for how things work

Most popular suggestions get about 50 upvotes before they are added

[steady horizon]

it still does not change the fact its a minority of people in the server voting for it

[vivid flint]

Ok

[vivid flint]

I get this argument and it’s been made a few times

It’s not a full proof plan

But definitely a step in the right direction to nerf the rathole dwellers and krab roleplayers

And it’s also really hard to make small changes as people can only seem to agree on a broad overall change like this one

https://discord.com/channels/235406555934228480/1367763660541263972

For example he offered 2 changes here and it gets bombed

[steady horizon]

this suggestion was better

[vivid flint]

Can you please stop pinging when you reply, I agree that suggestion is good

It’s an example of why we can’t do small changes tho

People don’t agree on small changes because it’s not something they can get behind

In that case they want better flak to raid, less tek turret damage to that flak, but don’t want the op spots removed because then they can be raided

[steady horizon]

Ase and asa are different, people want to play asa and expect it to be like ase, they might as well go play ase if thye miss it so much instead of trying to get rid of terrain turrets which make asa so much better.

[vivid flint]

I understand why you haven’t read the 1600 messages from this thread

But ur making the same argument that’s been debunked 20 times already

[steady horizon]

i joined the thread late

[vivid flint]

I know which is why i said I understand why you haven’t read them

But if you go back

We have hashed this out

Like 20 times

I just don’t have the energy to explain it again tbh

[steady horizon]

ok

[vivid flint]

Ase is a more popping game, has more players on unofficial by far, this has nothing to do with wanting to change the game back

I hated ase

But when you legit cannot be raided without someone spending a week irl after 4th or 5th day, there is a problem

[steady horizon]

the people that work 9-5 dont want to grind for hours after work to have their base destroyed and raided with everything taken in just one day. i understand after 5 days maybe something is going on but we dont need to make it easier for the people that are constantly on, it will just discourage the 9-5 folks if they can lose everything easily.

[vivid flint]

But our orp system is very strong to combat that

3x turret damage and 5x structure on all clusters that aren’t 5man

This is to increase the viability of online raiding

This will not change offlining in the slightest

[steady horizon]

if terrain turrets are eliminated that does not stop me from using pillars throughout the roof and walls to have the same result. people would still complain.

[vivid flint]

Yes, they will, and it’s inevitable because Asa is a pve based game

But this cluster specifically is pvp based

So we are trying to balance the snail games pve mindset with the pvp based concept the server is advertised as

[steady horizon]

i get that, and i still think that people dedicated are still going to find a way to have the turrets up high in the roof and on the walls, so making the change will solve nothing. they are still going to run into the hard to raid cave dwellers

and they will be complaining too

[vivid flint]

Yes but would you not agree that this will increase some amount of raiding due to the sheer fact that people are lazy and comfortable most times?

I doubt more than 10% of people will use that strat

And it will make ratholes more cramped

[steady horizon]

im here all day , but the people that work regular 9-5 might be the ones affected, after all they compose the 90%of people that wont do it because of sheer lazyness or because they simply dont have the time. i get your point dont get me wrong, i understand that 10% of hardcore players will circumvent it by building structures in walls and roofs but the not so hardcore players are going to pay the price.

[vivid flint]

But people should be rewarded for time spent grinding

I know people who work 9-5 and still easily get 7+ hours of game time in, more than that on weekends. It’s really based on how much time you want to spend on your hobby

It may sound cringe but just cause someone has a job Dosent mean they should be untouchable on a survival game

[steady horizon]

i get that.

i wfh so doesnt affect me at all, just being devils advocate for those that dont.

but i get your point

i just think people will complain either way

[deft mango]

it isn't about being untouchable, you can be raided offline either way

it is imo about rather fobbing someone online than the base next to them that is offline

removing terrainturrets will imo just allow worse builders to be raided easier, not encourage more online raids

[steady horizon]

IMO worse biulders might be people that support the game, the server with donations but maybe dont have enough time because of work or family to actually put as many hours in the game, i agree.

[vivid flint]

Worse builders will improve once they get tought they suck at building tho no?

Like isn’t the point of a survival game to fail on repeat until you become knowledgeable and skillful enough to not fail?

[vivid flint]

Like I feel this is a pretty solid statement

[deft mango]

it creates an additional skill-check, and time investment

if you want the skill of building defences to be harder, then removing terrain turrets is the way to go

[steady horizon]

not everyone is as lucky as some of us that had an experienced player help us out and teach us the best ways when we started out, most people are learning by themselves and they might just get discouraged and leave the game completely.

[tall valve]

ase retained players fine without terrain turret

[deft mango]

it is for some, you can however just say that everyone must solve a calculus problem to be allowed to log into the game

because isn't the point of a survivalgame to fail on repeat until you become knowledgeable and skillful enough to not fail?

It's just an extra step you need to do, that asa removed and people want it back

[steady horizon]

Asa removed it in order to grow their player base, they want to attract more average joes who work 9-5 which is why they lowered the bar, turns out the average joes are the majority and a lot of the times are willing to spend more money not only on the game but to also support servers like these with donations.

at the end of the day the world runs on money,

[compact drum]

where tf have u pulled 10000 from ahahahahaha

theres barely 18000 asa players on steam

and steam is definitely the biggest platform for ark by far

[steady horizon]

theres more than 10000 people on this server

discord i mean

[compact drum]

right because theres 10000 ppl in the discord means that they all play it?

wipeday pop barely hits 1k

thats a ridiculous number to try to use to support your argument

[steady horizon]

the people in the discord are the ones voting, not ridiculous at all just factual

[compact drum]

quite ridiculous

this discord has been around for like 10 years almost

and you think throughout that all those ppl in it are actively playing and engagingin suggestions?

not even 20% of the ppl in this discord are playing ark

ASA as a WHOLE on steam has 18000 daily players at best

and you think what around 60% of its entire playerbase on steam is on eliteark?

[steady horizon]

that would still put the number at 2000 players and 70 upvotes is a minority

most likely the most hardcore players are the ones engaging in suggestions

[compact drum]

19 downvotes are even more of a minority...

are you familiar with how democracy works?

[steady horizon]

ASE is always available you know, they dont have terrain turrets

[compact drum]

ok

official is always available they have terrain turrets.

such a dumb point lmao

[steady horizon]

i mean sure or people that actually like terrain turrets and actually support the server monetarily might just move to another server and take their money there.

its not a hard math.

[compact drum]

or people that dont like terrain turrets who dont play because of them and how boring they make the server might start playing again and support the server monetarily and bring their money here.

its not math at all.

and the suggestions votes imply more ppl dislike terrain turrets than like them.

[steady horizon]

i guess only one way to find out

[compact drum]

correct

its not like its a permanent unreversible change either...

the votes suggest people want it

we can try it and see how it goes

if its that fucking bad they can be added back...

[proper haven]

Thats no where near as bad lol all they gotta do is make it so u cant place ur turret side ways or upside down and have it like the ase turret placement

[toxic canopy]

Auf smalls bei release war es entspannter zu raiden als jetzt und wir kennen beide das cryo system bei release 💀

[fallen wind]

Sag ja der turret dmg ist eher das problem

[toxic canopy]

Ase is just terrible for console, they probably won‘t go back, most players that stayed on ase was pc because they never really had performance issues and prefered to have more maps

[fallen wind]

Kann mir keiner erzählen dass der normal auf dem server ist

[toxic canopy]

Naja finde trotzdem das es dumm ist das man 100 turrets an die decke hauen kann und man basically nur manchmal mit omni tool refillen muss, vorallem ohne andrews. Der turret dmg und fakt das heavies in asa einen inzwischen auch öfters als als spieler treffen ist auch gottlos. Wir brauchen deine lieblings gen1 tiere wieder :3

[steady horizon]

true that its terrible on console, my point is dont come to asa and complain that they want it like ase, i get ase is terrible but asa is a completely different game with terrain turrets being a key component of it.

[toxic canopy]

The issue is more like the turret damage combined with terrain turrets and low dura flak, they weren‘t that much of an issue on small tribes, even back at release it was better than right now.

[proper haven]

No all it done was make raiding way harder

[steady horizon]

Raiding should not be easy. If I grinded for so many hours why should it be easy for a raider to come and steal it? It shouldn’t be easy.

[proper haven]

So ur tryna say raiding was easy on ase ?

[toxic canopy]

Well to be honest most spots were possible or easy with enough preparation but that‘s how it should be

[proper haven]

Exactly now u can prepare for days and all ur gonna be doing is yi ling running 300 times throwing tek nates and still not getting in

[toxic canopy]

Maybe it will get better in 2 years with gen2 and shadowmanes back in the game 💀

[proper haven]

Also like u say with preparation yh most spots were wipeable but it all depended on how good the tribe was u were tryna wipe now anyone can defend cause its just so easy there is just simply no balance between the defender and attacker

[proper haven]

Still gonna be the same problem no matter what u gotta destroy turret per turret and on the old game where people actually had to think about how they build u were able to raid bases in a fun way and the defending tribe had to put in just as much work as the attacking tribe

[toxic canopy]

Haven‘t really defended any spot since i never got pulled online in asa but that speaks for itself

Was one of the funniest things in ase tho

[toxic canopy]

Old building system was so much better personally, not just putting everything at the walls/cellings and some eternals

[steady horizon]

nobody wants to be doing something with family and have to get pulled in the game because they are going to lose weeks of grinding to some folk that are raiding. i dont think it should be easy in my opinion

[toxic canopy]

I don‘t know if ark is your game if you don‘t wanna lose stuff in a game that has no value at all, like it‘s just a game after all

[steady horizon]

just hours spent, no value at all.

[toxic canopy]

Pve might be the charm

[compact drum]

This^

[compact drum]

I dont think the open world survival genre is for you mate

Quite literally the whole point of ark pvp is raiding

[steady horizon]

Thanks for the suggestion but I support the server and the game and I am free to state my opinions about how the game should be just like you retain your right to state your opinions. I still believe terrain turrets are a great addition to the game and should not be eliminated. Simple

[steady horizon]

Drop your base location and server. Let’s get people to raid you since that’s the whole point of the game.

[compact drum]

5man center 1 north ice

[compact drum]

Couple people have tried. We havent lost any ground…

[compact drum]

Great how and why?

Any justification

[steady horizon]

Next wipe I’ll be on five man with my brother and a couple of friends I’ll see you there next wipe.

[steady horizon]

How and why what part?

[compact drum]

“They are a great addition to the game”

How and why

[toxic canopy]

Most boring location

[toxic canopy]

Probably a rathole guy

[steady horizon]

They are strategically advantageous due to their ability to integrate seamlessly with the environment, making them harder to target and destroy than traditional turret walls. They offer a flexible defense option, particularly in caves or areas where traditional turret walls are vulnerable. Terrain turrets placed on the ground or along the terrain blend in with the environment, making them more challenging to spot and target, especially from a distance. Unlike turret walls, which can be easily destroyed by cannons or other high-powered weapons, terrain turrets are much harder to target and break down. Terrain turrets can be placed in various locations, including within caves, on cliffs, or even hidden behind structures, offering diverse defensive options. They work well in conjunction with other defensive structures like skeleton towers or hidden ninja turrets, providing a layered defense strategy. Raiders cannot simply snipe or blow up the turrets from a distance because they are integrated into the terrain, forcing them to get closer and risk being hit. Terrain turrets can effectively deter potential raiders by creating a strong defensive presence, making it more difficult for them to successfully attack the base.

[steady horizon]

Does that answer?

These are all factual arguments I’m making not feeling based.

[true karma]

Bros just copy n pasted an artical somewhere 🤣

[steady horizon]

It’s a factual based argument. Cope harder

[compact drum]

Nah he ripped that straight from chat gpt😂😂😂

[compact drum]

From this paragraph alone you’re ability to vote in suggestions should be revoked.

“Raiders cannot simply snipe the turrets”

Yeah youre definitely a real person and not an NPC!

You typed up a whole load of nothing

The only correct statement in that whole paragraph was “ they offer a flexible option where traditional turret walls are vulnerable”

And thats kind of the whole issue

Bases should have vulnerability

Not be easy or weak or speedrunnable

But bases should have a vulnerability

My only option should not just be “soak”

[true karma]

Brother I don't need to cope

Asa is in a horrible state for raiding right now n it is not enjoyable

No terrain turrets won't change it thing anyway

Strong caves will still be strong weak caves just gonna get hit non stop

[toxic canopy]

You just explained why they destroyed the balance between raiders and defenders

[steady horizon]

Cope harder. From your answer I can already tell you react based on emotion.

[steady horizon]

It was not balanced at all, and if it was then just go back to ASE.

[steady horizon]

Speak for yourself. Asa is pretty enjoyable to me. If it’s not enjoyable to you then go back to Ase.

[compact drum]

youre right

[compact drum]

if you think turrets are snipeable you have never raided a base in your life

[steady horizon]

You’re completely missing the point of if Asa is all that bad then go back to Ase, it’s still available after all

You don’t have to deal with the terrible conditions of asa. Go back to ase. Simple

[little ivy]

Not simple, elite is steam exclusive, console players can’t

Majority of people want this

I get it if you don’t know how Tod defend proper

But Your base shouldn’t do all the leg work

Skill should be involved

And I’m saying that as a guy who’s not even very good

[true karma]

You enjoy being able to hide in your base i get it

But I play to raid n pvp n not have to raid for days on end, that's why I stopped playing officiall

[steady horizon]

You don’t have to be on elite, if you hate asa as it is that much go back to ase. You can’t have everything in life the way you want it. The people arguing that they want raiding to be easier is because they want to easily get stuff aside from grinding by taking it from other people that did grind. It shouldn’t be easy to raid or to take peoples hard work and hours spent. I honestly love asa compared to ase.

[little ivy]

Bro ignored half my points

[compact drum]

not one person said they want to get stuff easily

we want raiding to not be impossible

if you had ever raided something youd understand that

[little ivy]

Console can’t go back to ase

[steady horizon]

I enjoy defending my base when it’s under attack. But I’m not that big into raiding others. When I was tribed up my brother did most of the raiding.

[little ivy]

I don’t see why you don’t just play pve avengers I don’t mean that in a horrible way but it seems like your not a massive fan of the pvp aspect of this game,

[little ivy]

Right then you shouldn’t really have a opinion

If you’ve never tried it yourself

[steady horizon]

I never said I didn’t do it rather I’m not that into it like my brother for example

[little ivy]

Saying go back to ASE don’t fix anything

I couldn’t if I want too

[little ivy]

You’re saying this is balanced ON A STEGO?

Ima keep posting this clip till people understand

[steady horizon]

In this example, if I build a massive wall at a distance with turrets going all the way up and then use pillars to extend the turrets through the roof you would still run into the same problem.

Taking off terrain turrets won’t solve the issue.

[little ivy]

I disagree, not nearly as bad, would buy me some time to get into a spot where splash isn’t hitting me, having 20 turrets directly above my head is the issue here

[little ivy]

It will

Cuz then I can blow structures

[steady horizon]

Trust me using pillars I would manage to place 20 turrets above your head

And you would not be able to reach the structure

[toxic canopy]

I would if the performance of the game was better

[little ivy]

I’m not arguing with someone who refuses to see any other points than there own, that’s just dense, like it or not this change is coming next 5man season most likely and 72 people think the whole cluster

Have a good day hiding

[steady horizon]

That’s the thing in life you have to sacrifice certain things to get other things. Would you rather not have terrain turrets then go back to ase. Now if performance is that bad then go to asa but know that terrain turrets are an option

[toxic canopy]

Love this clip, the fact that all turrets are on only player and you can‘t punish that is so awesome

[steady horizon]

Well im going to keep expressing my view on the matter regardless. Cope harder

[little ivy]

Brother your quite literally the one coping

[toxic canopy]

I would rather sacrifice my defense advantage and have fun in the game again

[little ivy]

Tbf I did soak out the tame turrets before this

By suiciding stegos

But then left with nothing to do

No tame fits through that hole

[toxic canopy]

Like ase defending already was way easier than raiding, so way making it even more easy

[toxic canopy]

They really need to add an andrew mod again like they had on the 100x cluster to punish that

[steady horizon]

Defense is always easier than offense. Even in real life

[toxic canopy]

So why should it get more brainless then? Lowkey 90% don‘t know how to defend properly because there is no reason in asa for that, you just can go offline…

[true karma]

#1369915524665835551 message

[steady horizon]

that 90% tha cant defend properly will quit the game if its made easier to raid them, i highly doubt they will learn how to defend properly.

[steady horizon]

i actually enjoyed both these tames and can agree they should be part of the game.

[little ivy]

If you can’t defend you shouldn’t have a base it’s that’s simple

It’s quite literally a game with two modes for that purpose

Like I don’t get it

Iv had so many bases raided when I was new

It forced me to learn and to adapt

Not just wack some turrets up and not improve

[toxic canopy]

So one of the biggest part in this game shouldn‘t be something people need to worry about?

[toxic canopy]

I guess people don‘t want to experience that

[steady horizon]

so you are implying it should be less people playing the game because you feel that they need to defend properly. im sure Wildcard would disagree and they probably want more people playing the game regardless of their defense skills.

[little ivy]

That’s not what I’m saying at all you’ve taken that out of context, ark has always been ruthless on the newbie, it makes you learn how to play, brining wildcard into it who cares about monetary purposes isn’t a valid argument against the player experience, I don’t think it would change pop at all tbh maybe season go faster at first but once people know what there doing it would improve 9/10 people quit because there’s nothing to do or the bases you can raid are stupid op, I’m implying there should be a learning curve that you can’t just avoid my hiding with ceiling turrets

And also it’s not a valid argument because along with terrain turrets wildcard made other tweaks

In official most if not all entrances are stego sized

Allowing you to back inside

This is not the case on unofficial where crouches exist

[toxic canopy]

You know that ase got more active servers than asa currently? Wildcard has been getting more towards pve ever since they released exctinction in ase… they literally don‘t care about pvp

[steady horizon]

why not just eliminate the crouches and make it more like official without removing the terrain turrets

[little ivy]

I made that exact suggestions

It wasn’t taken too kindly

[steady horizon]

i agree with that suggestion.

[toxic canopy]

Would kill even more spots

[steady horizon]

Id rather get rid of the op spots rather than get rid of terrain turrets

it makes more sense tbh

[toxic canopy]

In my opinion it doesn‘t, like i‘m used to not even having orp, the structure resistance and turret damage already makes up for not having terrain turrets, if they get rid of them

[steady horizon]

id rather deal with terrain turrets than having to deal with op crouch caves and ratholes.

[toxic canopy]

Crouches and rathole literally got 4 times better since you don‘t need to worry about turret placement, just spam everything on the celling and walls, make 9/10 only players and you are set for the entire wipe

Having an idea on how to build spots properly should be rewarded but instead it‘s just way better to don‘t care about a wall at all…

[steady horizon]

thats only good for rat dwellers

[toxic canopy]

In ase you were able to get rid of celling turrets since they were floating but still were connected to the hatchframe which had a counter in form of a rifle, in asa you got basically nothing for that.

[steady horizon]

well if they eliminate terrain turrets i think they should also eliminate crouches.

[toxic canopy]

I haven‘t built any walls in this game except for underwater caves and not got pulled once

[steady horizon]

well why would you build a wall when there is no need for it? only time i see plausible building a tower or wall is if its an outside base.

[toxic canopy]

Crouches literally were balanced in the old game, they were a decent enough offline and other than in asa people knew how to defend so they weren‘t that much better than regular caves

[steady horizon]

most people dont want to even build outside anymore since crouches are so op.

[toxic canopy]

That‘s my point, there should be a need, walls were perfectly balanced since they had weaknesses and turrets were connected to strucutures so you could get rid of them

[steady horizon]

heck im not built outside since there is no point.

i thought of making a tower outside my cave and then i realized what for lol

[toxic canopy]

People haven‘t prioritized building outside since 2017?

[toxic canopy]

Outside is just buying time while you are offline, they are easy to drop while you are offline

[steady horizon]

i thought the same thing, that it would buy time. i still think though that maybe if they eliminate the crouch points more people will be inclined to build outside bases,like in a cliff for example or a mountain summit, and the terrain turrets in a summit would be super cool but maybe im wrong though.

[compact drum]

crouch point is so irrelevant to this suggestion

they are OP yes

[steady horizon]

hence they should be eliminated.

[toxic canopy]

It‘s not about the crouches…

[toxic canopy]

Also where do you expect people to build if wildcard is getting rid of any decent 1x location?

Spots like skylight simply don‘t excist anymore

[steady horizon]

so you think crouches should exist but not terrain turrets, i think otherwise. i believe eliminate crouches and keep terrain turrets, similar to official.

[true karma]

Defeats the object, if that's how you want the game then go to official

[toxic canopy]

I don‘t mind having them in the game, not a necesarry thing to exist but the simple difference between official and Eliteark is that you have half the dura, turrets do way more damage and orp exists

[steady horizon]

same argument im making about terrain turrets, if you guys dont want terrain turrets then go to ASE

[true karma]

You are like a broken record man

Should read what I've been saying

I don't care about terrain turrets

I just want raiding to not be so damn time consuming

[steady horizon]

whats your suggestion then? if you dont care about terrain turrets but also dont want to remove crouch points, what do you suggest?

[vocal patrol]

Terrain turrets are stupid, you have to spend 10+ minutes saoking a single turret (given the opposite party is offline, else you dont even get to soak) just to find a new angle to find another turret.

[fathom patio]

Without terain turrets most ppl getting wiped in under a hr

Only dum thing abt them is u can place them on walls ceilings Terain 😭

[vocal patrol]

Yes

Make building great again!

Mostly ceiling turrets are idiotic

[steady horizon]

It would not be good if most people were getting wiped in under an hour. Most people would quit the game.

[fathom patio]

Most ppl gotta stop being bobs

Improve and u wont get wiped in a hr

[steady horizon]

Most people don’t want to put a whole week or month of time into the game to have everything taken in under an hour. Reason why defense is easier than offense. I don’t think taking off terrain turrets it’s the solution. But it’s just my opinion.

[spring shore]

ase did just fine with no terrain turrets

all I’m saying

[steady horizon]

True I had two bases in ase In fjourdor that where super hard to raid; it took someone 2 whole days to raid them when we where offline but still asa is an improvement from ase and terrain turrets are part of that improvement.

[spring shore]

Asa is just another way for them to make money

they couldn’t do anymore with ase cause of unreal engine it had nothing to do with “improvements” for their player base

[spring shore]

Exactly 2 days is plenty of time if you can’t push them off in that time then that’s a you issue

[steady horizon]

Well I was offline the whole time cus I switched from console to pc and I just left them raid it 🤣 did not even try to defend

I still believe terrain turrets is a great addition to the game and should not be taken off.

[spring shore]

the change to remove terrain turrets is to improve PvP as it will make it more essential that players try to push off raiders rather than replace ceiling turrets and hide

in my experience more PvP opportunities promote player population which is elites goal anyways

[steady horizon]

Maybe they can make a cluster where it doesn’t have terrain turrets. I think for solo it should not be removed though. They make it easi

I wouldn’t mind with a tribe but I’m playing solo right now until I can get my old crew back

[vivid flint]

Insane statement

[fathom patio]

?

[steady horizon]

Why is it insane?

[vivid flint]

that youthink fully built bases will be wipe in an hour because a game mechanic is remvoed

[fathom patio]

bro what are u yaping

i said most ppl will get wiped in a hr

MOST PPL

MOST PPL are bobs
MOST PPL dont fully built bases
MOST PPL on asa dont even kno how to build besides terain spamm
MOST PPL WOULD GET WIPED

i myself want terain turrets removed thats why i upvotet but i just said what i said

and i aint the only one thinking like this

[vivid flint]

I disagree, it’s pretty hard to raid on ea especially with the nerfed flak and what 1 tek turret does to your dura

[vital hemlock]

if most ppl are bobs that’s they’re problem, why should we suffer so that they can pve and entire wipe

[karmic siren]

Maybe for limited Tek they could remove terrain turrets??

[proud crag]

Someone Just needs to mod them so they can't be placed at more than a 90 degree angle. That way they could not go completely sideways or upside down, like crop plots. The best of both worlds

Or maybe 90 max to keep asa tower meta

[karmic siren]

That's a genius best of both fix right there

[bronze plinth]

Or just make it so turrets have to be placed on structures. You can place thing beams on the floor so there basically ground turrets at that point. Make ea attacker sides and game will be fun since you can always place a counter fob

People now just build floating pillar turrets anyway

[proud crag]

Nah even on ase you could do ground turrets. If they on structures you can tek rifle them

[steady horizon]

How about leaving it as is. 🤣

[frigid bay]

Remove lab so its harder to cap the turrets. Maybe even Ressources crafter

[little ivy]

https://discord.com/channels/235406555934228480/1371497234767675503

[wanton obsidian]

i mean in asa its harder to raid but you can r aid solo every base in >10h i mean nerly .. if they online then it take more time

[steady horizon]

Ive been trying to say the same thing but people like to complain and honestly they want raiding to be easier so they can supposedly do all the raiding first week instead of preparing defenses on first week. Because people get bored unless they are full on raiding in first week instead i guess.

[pine lantern]

You never play ase or something? Raids still took prep and time.... Terrain turrets just make some places unraidable period

[steady horizon]

No they don’t.

[proud crag]

To get high turrets on ase you had to use hatch frames, which required foundation stability. Destroy the floor meant destroy the high turrets. Pve bobs

And if they were put on triangle foundations, you could get angles to tek rifle the foundy. Can't tek rifle terrains

[steady horizon]

Exactly my point. You just want to raid easier. Lol 🤣 it ain’t supposed to be easy. The people who can’t prepare for a week to raid effectively because they get bored should probably move to call of duty.

[steady horizon]

You want to be able to destroy foundation from a distance to make raiding easier. Just admit it bro. You want easy raids.

[little ivy]

Iv said it before and I’ll keep saying it till someone gives me a valid answer cuz iv yet to have one what are you doing here?

Nothing got through entrance, can’t build a racer before you suggest that

If someone gives me a way that doable I’ll hold my hands up but iv put this clip in so many suggestions not one person has given me a way they will raid this

[steady horizon]

Andrews

[little ivy]

Brother Andrew’s arnt even in the game yet their making there debut next SD season and it’s only in SD season so that’s not valid

Give me something else

[steady horizon]

Can’t we mod them in?

[little ivy]

For reference this is previous SD season, give me a way with the resources we had

[little ivy]

Yes but that’s not the point

[opaque imp]

They need to just turn commenting off on this one 😂

[little ivy]

@steady horizon

[steady horizon]

Tbh Andrew is the answer for this one that I can think of.

There could be something else but it’s not coming to mind.

[little ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/chess-checkmate-its-it-over-gif-17459417336418427755

[proud crag]

?????? I was saying that I do not want these things??????

[little ivy]

And you still think terrains are balanced when the only dino you can use isn’t in the game?

[proud crag]

I'm pointing out that clearly you never raided on ase. This guy said "I bet they don't play ase" and you said they don't. I pointed out an ase raiding mechanic that was easier to raid because to come even close to terrain placement on ase you need to prop them up, I didn't once say put that in asa. You clearly don't understand that because you're a base bitch pve assinign crybaby.

My only gripe with terrain is upside down roof tek. Splash is way bigger on asa and there's no Andrews. 1 man can defend against 5 very easily

Ase you used to be able to borderline naked soak teks. Now you if the tek hits the stego anything past it's arse you are getting splashed

[steady horizon]

Why the ad hominem attacks? I never attacked you personally . Be better dude, attack the argument not me

[proud crag]

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeerr

[steady horizon]

Be better man. I never attacked you. Ad hominem attacks are low IQ.

[proud crag]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-a-good-one-that-is-rich-the-grinch-jim-carrey-how-the-grinch-stole-christmas-nice-joke-gif-18820338

Why are you arguing so much. It's like you get paid to play

[steady horizon]

You’re the one making ad hominem attacks and taking this serious. Are you sure you don’t get paid?

[proud crag]

He clearly learned a new word and is getting the mileage in

[steady horizon]

Asinine argument.

[proud crag]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-redit-meme-guy-fat-guy-gif-10539958890342687278

[steady horizon]

How old are you? You must be 15 or something.

[proud crag]

You must of just got your first thesaurus

Solo players man. Sit in base all day and only offline. No clue about the real ark experience. They want everything op, too lazy to farm properly, too unskilled to raid online. Opinion disregarded. Can we get some words from pvp players ty

[steady horizon]

some of us work and have a life outside of the game, if you have time to sit and play all day Good for you.

[proud crag]

That's what orp is for buddy.

Game shouldn't be kept op for you because those that perma grind and don't work get waaaaaay further ahead

[steady horizon]

bro go to official if you dont want mods and you dont want farm to be simpler

[proud crag]

Go to official if you want to base bitch

[steady horizon]

maybe get off the food stamps and section 8

[proud crag]

This is pvp

[steady horizon]

stop living off the government

[proud crag]

Why are you using ad hominem attacks, they are low iq

[steady horizon]

i have not insulted you, just stating the reality tha if you dont work and have time to perma grind youre probably on food stamps and section 8

[proud crag]

I don't perma grind.

I'm pointing out the flaw in your argument

There are many that do perma grind

And they get 45x more op

[steady horizon]

the labs and cookers are equalizer for those that work and have a life, btw those that work are also the ones that will probably get the vip and support the server monetarily.

after all the server needs money to run.

[proud crag]

No, that's what 15x and arkomatic are for.

Arko is 4x faster

Not instant. Instant is basically creative mode

But this is terrain turrets buddy

So show me those online raids you brag about!

[steady horizon]

im done arguing with you.

[proud crag]

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[steady horizon]

nah i just refuse to argue with someone who has time to permagrind because they dont work or have a family.