Reduce structure limit on platform dinos

[mild forge]

Why allow box dinos lmao, racers having all but its ass hidden behind metal structures seems fair… platform limit should allow for a boxed rider not dino.

[vague plume]

I wouldn’t see a point as all racers are really used for these days are boxing

[mild forge]

They are still a soaker, the ability to box a racer and walk it into and drop a tower taking 0 damage is not the intended use.

[vague plume]

No it quite literally is

You cannot build structures on any other “soaker” and as I see it racer boxes are a major part of pushing and defending a tower

[mild forge]

This is what i mean by box racer btw, this is an unfair build on the back of a tank dino.

[vague plume]

It isn’t an unfair build

It follows arks coc

[mild forge]

Explain, there is no way to prevent or delay this while offline. Turrets on a tower outside of a cave become useless

[vague plume]

If you remove structure racers you remove 99% of their use

Yes there is?

[mild forge]

If the top and all sides and covered the only side open is the back which would be facing away from a tower…

[vague plume]

Ground turrets

Spam

Dino gates

Aggro tames

[mild forge]

Ground turrets can be blown by this build walking over them…

[vague plume]

You said there was nothing to delay them did you not?

[mild forge]

There is no point soaking bases/towers if this type of build is allowed

[vague plume]

Yes there is because if you know how to build you can’t get your main tower racer bombed

[mild forge]

I did, this would slow them by minutes though

[vague plume]

https://discord.com/channels/235406555934228480/1324929781719892008

This conversation has been had already with a bunch of people

[mild forge]

I get that, i could image that people dont like the fact this way of raiding is a thing

[vague plume]

Asa already makes it easier on the defenders

[mild forge]

Ill flick through that convo, curious to see both sides

[vague plume]

a bulk of the people I’ve seen complain about it while using it so those opinions aren’t always valid (not saying you have but yk)

[mild forge]

We havent yet but after seeing it why wouldnt we… if people can drop towers with 0 damage why should we tank

[vague plume]

That’s a point I haven’t exactly said but it does come into play as well, if it’s so broken why get it banned instead of hopping on a racer urself and go speed wipe a base,

Towers also aren’t designed to be “unreadable” they’re only there for eating the enemies time

Altho I understand both sides of the argument as I’ve been on both sides and I can see where people are coming from and it’s definitely a valid point you have

[mild forge]

Id prefer having broken methods banned as it slows raids down, slower raids means less people leaving the server early keeping pop high

[vague plume]

raiding isn’t easy as is man I’m playing on solo atm and orp and full 150 turret tower I need a half a cryofridge of stegos to soak 1 full tower

Even online raiders are at such a disadvantage it makes it fair

[mild forge]

For online raiding i dont see an issue, just blow the shit. Its the offline tower gone in 5 minutes that bugs me

Only issue is its too hard for admins to say ‘you can do this online but not offline’. Leaves box dinos in a weird spot of keep them in and break offline defences or take them out and potentially slow raiding down

[oblique prairie]

do tek turrets not damage structures anymore

[leaden ore]

not a fan, racers structures already are nerfed on here compared to official i've heard and cheesing towers/turrets is quite literally the intended purpose of the dino lol

[mild forge]

Tek turrets do damage structures but they need to have los to a dino to shoot, a box racer doesnt allow los to the turret

[somber ocean]

but its not just towers getting tunneled being a problem, if you allow this stuff any bases built up high on plateau's will get tunneled on by a quetzal, just removing more places to build forcing people to build in caves, this entire argument should be about if building a cheesy tunnel on a dino is good/fun for the game or not

not just there being a solution to deal with it, like dropping ground turrets/ bear traps, etc

[somber ocean]

id say most people would believe this isnt good/fun for people

[mild forge]

My thoughts exactly. Look i can see why people want to keep it and want it removed but I feel the negatives outweigh the positives if structure limit is left as high as it is. Even reduced to only allow the front of a dino to be blocked, it would nerf it to the point where it is still usable but not too op

[leaden ore]

part of the game..

[mild forge]

You say that as if its not a broken part of the game though…

[leaden ore]

ok so can we remove flamethrowers too

[mild forge]

Flame throwers are busted too but they dont wipe towers and bases in 10 minutes. The two are comparable in the sense that they shouldnt be as op as they are but with the flame thrower you arent going to lose days/weeks of effort, you lose a kit maybe a dino too

[leaden ore]

thing is racer is only good offlining

it is the easiest thing ever to counter when online

and in that case, literally everything is strong offline

plus there's still ways to get around the racer strat lol

of course never 100% but it'll make it tougher on the racer

plus it's literally all people ever use the racer for, if they remove or nerf it much, you are never going to ever see racers being used lol

[mild forge]

I see your points, being offline raided is shit but the fact that most of the work for defences was wasted because of box racers is shittier. Racers are still good tanks for online raiding with a simple 1x1 over the player to stop picks

[leaden ore]

to you and everyone concerned that much with specifically racer strats being used against them and not being online to defend, i'd advise to seek out certain base spots on server wipe to claim and build in then

replace the towers you'd normally build outside with extra layers of walls inside the custom caves

[mild forge]

You are suggesting limiting base locations for players because of this then?

[leaden ore]

I'm suggesting for you and anyone that is extra worried and doesn't know how to go about building for a racer push or will be offline quite a bit to look for specific spots where they know they won't need to worry about it

because a lot of the custom caves and I mean a ton, you 100% cannot fit a racer in the entrance

[mild forge]

Not only that but it kills the pop quicker when bases are steamrolled by box dinos. Would you not rather keep the servers alive for longer and have more fun online raiding and defending.

[leaden ore]

the game is so defender sided, i'm all for something that benefits the attackers more personally

Pop is gonna die no matter what, and with majority of players living in custom caves, it's not like someone on a racer has to go through a single tower or two and then they full raid that person

they have multiple walls they still need to go past, and depending on tames they're able to use and how well built the wall is, even after dropping a tower relatively quick, it can still take raiders multiple hours to get through a wall

that happened to my friend on 5man

he got his tower dropped from a racer rush and the attackers proceeded to not even be able to get into his cave past his first wall even after 5 hours of no one being online'

[mild forge]

Again, i see your point there. Things to benefit the attackers would be like increasing resistances to soakers, at least that way work done to defend outside caves and land bases is not wasted. Defences would have to be soaked or destroyed while soaking with tapes and rexs

[jagged gust]

I have already shared my opinion on this. I think that racer is just lame strategy that many people (including myself) are using, because of how cheap and effective it is. You barely need to invest any time/resources into pulling it off. People still keep saying that game is defender sided which is true, but we should address those other things that are too defender sided in different topics. Because many things are evil, doesn't make this less evil.

[mild forge]

Adding onto benefits to the attackers, turret limit could be reduced. That way there is less to soak/destory

[jagged gust]

But honestly, this should be polled to see what community thinks.

[leaden ore]

True, if the admins did something like that, yes they could balance out the structures on the racer while making things more attacker friendly, but it's up to them if they even want to bother

[leaden ore]

As for this, you can say that about so many items and metas in ASA, Flames are a lame strategy, you could melt a endgame player in seconds with a prim flame, and it definitely doesn't cost many resources, when every other foot pvp weapon in the game requires at least some aim skill.

But that doesn't mean they have to remove it entirely

it's just an annoying meta that is part of the game

[jagged gust]

Do you want to compare 1v1 ground duel to wiping potentially entire base?

[mild forge]

As a lot of servers have done in the past, reduce flame damage to could being melted

[jagged gust]

Or in many cases entire outside cave defenses?

And also many things are annoying meta, yet we are trying to nerf them. For example now with canteen mod.

We are nerfing stegos/golems early wipes - you could say it about many things, but just because its meta doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed if community thinks so.

[leaden ore]

although different things in the end, it’s the same core thing with them being annoying metas

just how Tesla spam from defenders or even attackers is meta

But it is up to admins and Ronnie at the end of the day whether it’s something they want to keep or run a poll on

[mild forge]

Thats just it, it’s up to them what happens and how they want the server to feel but it’s also the community who actively play and support the server. Balance changes are needed everywhere and the best way to point them out is threads like this where people can explain why or why not a change is needed

[jagged gust]

But honestly, this thing is already flying around for some time - just make poll about it to see what community think - can we do that?

[somber ocean]

i agree just make a poll and see what the majority want

[flint rover]

They aren’t changing this because they feel raiding is too hard so this is necessary to even it out.
Love it or hate it.

Just adding to to the rathole meta

[jagged gust]

Sometimes I don't understand what are we even complaining about. We complain that the raiding is too hard, but tell me - is raiding outside world bases or turret towers hard? I don't think so. Raiding ratholes is hard, raiding some caves with teslas is hard or generally caves where you slap tons of turrets on cave ceiling, so you don't even need to have any turret wall. But we are addressing none of those issues and instead we complain how hard raiding is, where boxed racer doesn't really help you in any of these scenarios.

[pallid turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/kilian-kilian-talking-brick-wall-kilian-when-talk-gif-18679998

[flint rover]

Well said.
Everyone claims raiding is so hard.
The same people claim racers are a must for raiding.
Yet the hard raids are good caves and rat holes and neither of which racers do anything.
The only people getting racer box raided are those who didn’t get a top cave, don’t want to be in a rat hole, or just wanna build in the open.
All of which are very raidable without the racer box.

Everyone claiming “you need a racer to raid you need it to push”

Not a single person is using a racer in those ways. This isn’t small tribes 3 years ago lol.

Also ppl claiming if you lower structure limit no one will use racers.

Is that the end of the world? There’s 50 other tames that never get used also lmao.

[tiny socket]

Racer builds can be countered by turret placement and settings

If someone can racer box your build in 10 minutes thats on you

Im so confused with these suggestions

Ppl on here just want pve for whole wipe with every base unraidable?

Low tame cap means u cant ready/raise alot of tames

Tesla coils make the 75armor stego saddles even worse

TERRAIN TURRETS are aids asf

Most “rocket run” tames from ase are not in the game yet or just shit cuz of no speed

The more yoy nerf raiding all that happens is the 5man tribe who cam stay at your base for days will win

Dont even get me started on having 3x turret dmg after being off for one hour

On a 5 man server nonetheless

[keen panther]

Doesn't Tek damage metal? I've seen it first hand Tek turrets absolutely destroyed my shit on a quetz while trying to raid if you have some teks that hit the pacer they really can't do much, I think there should be an option on teks though to hit structures only, for this exact reason so pacer boxing can be more effectively combated

[pallid turtle]

let me know when you find a Way for Tek turrets to Target and shoot Dinos through a Metal box ill wait 🙂

[keen panther]

Mb I didn't know that teks needed a line of sight to shoot the dino directly I thought that if they registered the dino they would shoot I didn't know the metal stopped it since it didn't stop my quetz from being railed

There might be a mod for it though

[tiny socket]

a handful of counters to racer boxing have already been listed in this thread

[keen panther]

Not enough apparently

Teasla coils would also help the one that chains lighting if it hits any of their players it hits the pacer then hits the guy riding it I think

So if they had a stego rushing with the pacer (idk why they would) both would be zapped

[leaden ore]

yeah idk man ppl just want pve chat

[keen panther]

Then go to pve 😭 your not a pussy or sum for doing pve just wanna have a more laid back experience bro but people gotta stop tryna water down the PvP

[leaden ore]

I mean the way ppl talking about nerfing raiding they want pve

[tiny socket]

yes enough

ppl just dont know how to use them

[leaden ore]

If you’re on here saying structures need to be reduced and are not up to grab a good cave or build to fight that meta then just go to pve lol

[tiny socket]

cant even place gates on racers on 5man btw

[leaden ore]

You def can

I did it yesterday

[leaden ore]

did they just add that 💀

[tiny socket]

been like that since wipe

[leaden ore]

Wild

[jagged gust]

Sounds like a bug - report it and it will get fixed im sure

[tiny socket]

on our map anyway

[jagged gust]

It was also like that on one solo duo - after reporting it, it got fixed

[leaden ore]

oh well ur not supposed to just place it on the back of it you have to like set it up I’m pretty sure

[tiny socket]

yeah im aware

just did that to show it doesnt work

we tried the proper way

[leaden ore]

then bugged ig

Was working for me on center

[jagged gust]

No this sometimes happens that gates are disabled on some servers - issue with config

[long summit]

on 5man btw

they just dont snap nicely

prolly bc they arent CS gates but cant remember if they were before

[oblique prairie]

anyone got a concurrent ASA vid on how to build them? lolll

[vague plume]

No but u want a diagram?

[leaden ore]

https://youtu.be/ZVU_epqK6Bc?si=kk3DoZexebixr3VZ

[jagged gust]

This is not even that great build. On elite you can do 7 gates and even put more ceilings on top.

Because that build exposes the butt of the racer from sides

[tiny socket]

What map?

[long summit]

Center

[tiny socket]

Because i think its an issue with ext3

[long summit]

I mean dont get me wrong you cannot snap it like you could before or wasnt working for me so who knows

[tiny socket]

Nah we cant place gates on racers at all on ext3

look at the message on the top of my screenshot

[leaden ore]

yeah ik But it was just first vid to pop up

[long summit]

Im saying on center, you cant snap it lik you could before not sure if i was doing it wrong or what

nvm got it. so yeah must be extinction thing @tiny socket

[misty meadow]

No one is talking about nerfing raiding people just want racer boxing removed so that there is a level of skill required to offline someone no one uses racers for anything but boxing so how the fuck is it nerf to raiding they want something Wildcard them selves have tried to remove removed we don't want pve. RRaver boxing only forces the meta to be cave builds and who the fuck wants to raid a cave. You remove racer boxing and we see people trying to take plateus and pillars for base spots. Every argument you have brought up makes no sense here.

Offline raiding should be discouraged not fucking the only way to raid

[leaden ore]

skill in offlining...

[misty meadow]

If that's you take away from that your IQ is sub 50. Yes theres no skill in offlineing someone. Offlineing should be discouraged so people are more inclined to raid online makes no sense why you would add ORP if you can just counter it with a racer unless they live in a cave and forcing everyone in to caves just makes raiding stale af you are just raiding the same base design.

[leaden ore]

Everything you build is made to make it take longer for raiders to full raid you, if you find ways/spots/techniques to build to avoid racer boxing then it will happen to you less, that's how it's been for me and others. If you want that bad to have a land base or somewhere you know can easily be racer boxed, then build there and try to build against it, but don't be suprised when it happens

[mild forge]

It seems the people that want to keep the racer boxes are lazy/dont know how to actually raid and prefer keeping broken cheesy things in rather than increase the experience of the server 🤷‍♂️

Can fix a server but cant fix stupid

[tiny socket]

😂😂😂

It seems you dont know how to counter racers so ur crying

Get gooder and less stupider!!

There are many counters for when your offline and when your online

If you are to lazy to build properly thats on YOU

If you don’t actually know how to build thats on YOU

[mild forge]

. Leaving at that champ, not worth the argument with brick walls at this point

[long summit]

Lol its always just counter racers when there is no "counter"... Sure you can make it take longer but the longer is minimal if its just blowing a couple extra ground turrets of structures

[tiny socket]

A “couple” isnt a counter

Spamming ground turrets is one of many counters

[long summit]

More ground turrets means less turrets for stego defense as height is key. But you could have 50 ground turrets and 100 tower turrets and still wouldnt matter. Blowing 3 or 4 turrets in your path takes 0 time when your racer takes 0 damage...

[vague plume]

You take down the platform saddle count you do realise that racers become useless Right? Who’s soaking on a racer these days

[tiny socket]

These guys just want a pve cluster where no one is raidable and everyone is faffing about in their base with their dik in their hands

[vague plume]

The games metas were 2x as cooked around this time in ase you complain about a racer (that aren’t fully boxed) yet kids on ase used to run into people’s bases on illegal racers

[misty meadow]

Fuck there's some bricks in here

[tiny socket]

Ive said this in like 79 suggestions ase was 100x easier to raid on and it still wasnt easy (against a good tribe)

[vague plume]

Agreeable

[misty meadow]

Raiding shouldn't be easy

[vague plume]

I can’t see the point behind removing a huge function of racer

[tiny socket]

You realise racer boxing isnt an offline only strat?

[vague plume]

It’s isn’t?

[misty meadow]

It 100% is

[tiny socket]

Are u bricked😂😂😂

[vague plume]

mans hasn’t raided an actual base

“Yes I have” no you haven’t because if you had you’d understand where people are coming from with racers need to stay the same

[misty meadow]

Have never used box racers cause they are bricked and boring

[tiny socket]

Orrrr maybe because you have no idea what to do with ir against them

[vague plume]

Maybe cause your raids are bricked and boring?

[tiny socket]

Genuinely a skill issue

[vague plume]

Jst remember tho structure limit for one does structure limit Fr all

So no zeppelin or quetz soaking anymore

[misty meadow]

Thank good bricked ass meta

I think u 2 are the bricked ones for thinking you need a boxer for raiding

[vague plume]

no you don’t “need it” but what are yall gonna do when that’s the only way to push a tower and you guys got it nerfed to much

[misty meadow]

How's it the only way to push a tower

[mild forge]

.

[misty meadow]

You thinking that makes you a brick

[vague plume]

I didn’t say it was?

I said what are you gonna do if it becomes the only way to

[tiny socket]

Racer boxing is the most effective way to blow shit up in 1x/land pvp

[vague plume]

Honestly

Them able to be Stego soaking and rexing an outside tower js means u got a bad builder

[tiny socket]

Rexing a tower😂😂😂

[vague plume]

You don’t wanna know what I’ve seen

😂

[tiny socket]

You guys should try official pve

Ppl cant raid you there!

Im sure you will love it

They cant even hit u

[mild forge]

Do you have an extra chromosome?

[vague plume]

No, but do you for wanting the admins to remove a game feature?

[tiny socket]

Atleast you know…

Acceptance is the first step

[vague plume]

try THELOSTARK they’re a crossplay pve server they make accommodations for people who don’t appreciate how the games mechanics works

[mild forge]

Lmao well done cobba, found my twitch

[misty meadow]

You guys are bricked I have no idea how you think wanting some BS as raiding method that was banned on all SE unofficial and official removed makes us pve. Come fob nerd

[tiny socket]

Rscer boxing wa sbanned on offi????? What are you on about

[vague plume]

There’s a difference between this and an illegal racer build

[tiny socket]

Where you live?

[mild forge]

Kiddie fiddler?

[pallid turtle]

i reckon ayy

sus

[mild forge]

Thats a bit weird dude

[misty meadow]

I'll drop cords when I'm on

[pallid turtle]

i mean he plays Ark and racer boxes so it checks out

[tiny socket]

Anime pfp btw

[pallid turtle]

And?

wtf is that suposed to mean

[vague plume]

What kinda player sits here and winges about game mechanics?

a pve player

[misty meadow]

Bros got a YouTube pfp from 2009 and he wants to comment on pfp

[tiny socket]

And?

[pallid turtle]

dam you got me bro

[tiny socket]

You should watch my ark videos you might learn how to play the game u brick

[vague plume]

https://discord.com/channels/235406555934228480/1322269106862428170

[misty meadow]

If you think not soaking a single bullet is an intended strat you are a lost cause

[vague plume]

I only racer box towers I can’t soak

And usually it’s only the top half

[misty meadow]

There is no tower you can't soak

[vague plume]

you gotta floating stegos now do hav

Ya*?

[pallid turtle]

what your 1 Ark video from a year ago your funny kid

what were you 9 when you uploaded that ?

[vague plume]

Why soak the backside of a tower I can walk up to

[mild forge]

ASA moment, only soaker is a stego now

[vague plume]

No it’s not lmao

[misty meadow]

If my stego has to float to be hit by the tower then I can just run under huh

You make no sense

[vague plume]

Uhh are you reading all my msgs?

I said quite clearly when the front side of a towers soaked, now unless you desync raid the back side of that tower has turrets

[misty meadow]

Soak them?

[vague plume]

Sometimes when the towers wiped I don’t wanna spend 30 mins soaking when I can spend 100 c4 and 30 mins dropping the whole tower

But dw I’ll be expecting coords in here

[misty meadow]

You didn't play SE and it shows buddy

[vague plume]

I’ll help u learn to counter racers

[pallid turtle]

becuase your $hit at the game ?

must be

maths checks out

[vague plume]

because I have better things to be doing xd

I’m a breeder I ain’t tryna waste time soaking

[misty meadow]

Bro breeding is automatic on the server

[vague plume]

Sir? You understand what a breeder does right?

[misty meadow]

Yes and compared to official breeding unofficial breeding is literally afk

[long summit]

LOL too easy to counter racers online with rockets or tek rifle/saddle. therefore its never really used online unless you can possibly catch someone slacking or they dont know you are at their base yet

[vague plume]

Done both xd 😆

[misty meadow]

Then you should understand unofficial breeding is afk as fuck

[vague plume]

Idk abt u but I’m 24/7 taming for traits and better stats

[tiny socket]

U can still break shit before they break ur box

[pallid turtle]

nah man hes gotta be there around the Clock Jacking the dinos off or he dosnt get feed at the end of the day

[vague plume]

Exactly

[tiny socket]

Ppl use tube racers to push foundies

[sick obsidian]

Just gate the racer? Thats what I do at least.

[long summit]

Doesnt make them useless, makes it so you have to be more careful. We are saying remove all structures on it. enough where only 2 sides can be blocked. Front and 1 side.

[tiny socket]

If they go in ur foundy range the. Yh

[long summit]

Pretty sure tube racers count as tunneling to the admins but who knows

[vague plume]

Lmao useless then the value of them is you can block 3 angles of turret range

[tiny socket]

No they do not lmao

[sick obsidian]

tube racers == big gey

[long summit]

Not useless. Can still be used... are you challenged or just want the easiet thing possible?

[pallid turtle]

nah so long as the dino isnt IMMUNE to damge its not classed as tunneling xDD

[tiny socket]

Im talking about racer with the tube going down to its side

Use to strap c4 on foundies

[vague plume]

I just want the best thing for a solo to be able to compete w full 5 mans

Ain’t never gonna out PvP em

But can sure as hell drop their towers

[long summit]

That sounds like a you problem my guy... We shouldnt be catering a 5man server for "solos"

[sick obsidian]

there is a solo server

[vague plume]

No but you shouldn’t be catering a ingame feature for people’s preferences

[long summit]

Yeah stupid af. Putting c4 on a wall/ceilling to walk the racer up and blow it is stupid... that is what you did with rafts... guess what isnt on the server AND was officially bannable on official? Raft tunneling.

[vague plume]

Uh no?

Raft tunneling was allowed

That was the spider cave meta

fully covered raft tunnels were illegal

[pallid turtle]

@vague plume shouldnt you be Breeding what are you doing here Get

or ill Crack the whip out

[long summit]

Nah WC had it against their TOS to use rafts to mesh/tunnel bases. But regardless theyre removed on here for a reason.

[vague plume]

So all of this aside, what is the actual reason you want racers nerfed

“Not cause they are to op”

[misty meadow]

Imo you should not be able to take down a tower or base without soaking a single bullet

[pallid turtle]

why didnt Frodo and Sam just pracer box the Ring to mount doom would of been soo easy

[misty meadow]

Is demotiving as fuck knowing no matter what I do to my tower or how many bullets are in it someone can just come along with a tamed racer and a few structures and wipe it that is in no way healthy for the ga e

[vague plume]

If you make it take long enough it’s a deterrent Altho I can see where your coming from I don’t see where you see the “they can’t be countered” because a counter isn’t something that jst makes it instant fail a counter could be an extra layer of cage they have to blow thru w aggro Dino’s

Because a boxed racer still takes damage from tames

Even if they’re outside the box

[long summit]

A counter in the true definition is something that completely combats the other... huh? Ex: League of legends counters... the champion literally outplays another completely.

[tiny socket]

Thats just now how it works

[tiny socket]

Pretty bad example to be honest

[misty meadow]

I have a question for adzz and elite ark guy did you ever play ASE?

[tiny socket]

Literally got season alpha

https://youtu.be/ReH6VcXkm0Y?si=ygDYYcKKg0MFnAQf

[vague plume]

Yeah I did play ase

I came from one of the biggest PlayStation megas

[misty meadow]

Hm doesn't show

[long summit]

still an example that most people know of sooo

[misty meadow]

center 2 5 man see you there pookie

[pallid turtle]

@tiny socket ^?