Create a old fashioned cluster (Conquest)

[old trench]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-running-patrick-jeonginsbestie-gif-22009848

[royal summit]

Go watch official conquest videos. Nothing is perfect first try but without tek turrets, cluster will be wiped completely after 2-3 days. Everyone will be raided. So no tek turrets imo is not viable. Official conquest is some of the funnest ark, if you haven’t played it… go YouTube. There’s a balance, just gotta find it

[upbeat granite]

I think a lot of people just want their vision without considering others or wanting to compromise with others

[royal summit]

If we could go back in time and start ark again where everyone is dumbasses and don’t know metas, that would be fun. But player base is 1000x too advanced for no-tek turrets.

[upbeat granite]

I agree. Whats your opinion on allowing tek saddles then? Tek grenades are still in so thats always an option still. I assume a lot of bobs tales will still be in like gene scanner and such right?

[grave sable]

yeh could tek saddles be added back then? all tek turets basically get capped considering running 2 center bosses in like 30 minutes to an hour will fill so many tek turrets making it unrealistic to soak a lot of the time

if at least tek tape saddles r re added, since they r squishy without mutations, at least there would be something outside of strait soaking tek turrets which takes 15 minutes per tek turret to soak a capped tek turret if done individually

[royal summit]

Well when I played conquest on ASA, tek grenades were the way to demo tek turrets.

[woven fjord]

No stegos/golems first 24-36 hours would help this it was tested on off the beginner servers before and didnt seem to cause much issue.

[royal summit]

It’s already announced that they’ll be disabled first 48h #🔺asa-announcements

[woven fjord]

Okay then yeah it shouldnt be too bad. If SE was removed no golems or wyverns outside of shop, and 10x harvest, itll be a lot slower.
And breeding cooldown should be longer, I dont see that mentioned but 4-8 hours between breeds will also slow things down so people wont have 100 stegos by end of day 2.

Do you know if the linear graph for experience was changed or is that the same as the other servers? By that I mean only needing like 5k xp for 80 dinos levels and the last 20 need like 20k exp. Because if that was changed to be more like this the attached. It would slow down dinos getting maxed levels super fast which slows down raiding too.

[woven fjord]

@topaz helm add (Conquest) to the title so when people go to create a new thread this shows up

[topaz helm]

Create a old fashioned cluster (Conquest)

@woven fjord done

[short sage]

oh hell na i opened ts and there's graphs

[woven fjord]

LOL haterrrr

the graph is just for experienceeee

[topaz helm]

tbf i think cannons should be removed for this cluster aswell

too much cheesing

[viral flame]

think we should just ban everything

sometimes its just better to let things play out and make adjustments for the future.

[molten apex]

I think ratholes should be allowed and caves tbh

[vagrant zealot]

No caves or ratholes.

[molten apex]

Atleast ratholes

[vagrant zealot]

Nothing all open bases

[wind badge]

Rat detected

[grim olive]

bro has never played conquest neither does he know what it is💀

[woven fjord]

Ehhh. Pillars and doorways are great time sinks for cannons

[topaz helm]

I was thinking more for normal genys and such

[grave sable]

Someone didn’t get the entire point of a classic cluster…. Go to any of the other elite servers if that’s what you want

[upbeat granite]

I know an admin talked about polling to see if extinction would be included. Any follow up on that?

[royal summit]

extinction will be included. can not exclude the newest map

[viral flame]

you know everyone just going to build their base in the glitched spots past the death wall

not a rathole or cave

but equally bs

[royal summit]

there will be no shortage of players pushing the boundries for allowed base locations

raiding the edges isnt any diff than ab ceiling tho really. we will see how it goes

[viral flame]

its more if you move in the wrong spot you die instantly

[woven fjord]

I mean you easily could but okay

[old trench]

Why is ext a bad map?

To have on conquest

[woven fjord]

For one.. too many questionable spots that admins will have more of a headache with
For two the point of this server was to slow things down and extinction speeds everything up

[old trench]

Doesnt center have questionable spots too?

[woven fjord]

"Questionable" no.. extinction has a lot of spots that are borderline ratholes

[royal summit]

We’ll figure it out. Round 1 will no doubt have its hiccups. But def can’t exclude the most recent map, you guys personally might not care but it’s the map with most hype rn.. can’t be excluded.

[old trench]

Will it be resource custom caves

[woven fjord]

Lol then adv resource farming from dinos needs to be tank to 0.1x. Again whole point of this cluster was to SLOW it down. Extinction does not do that at all. But its the "we have to do this" logic that leads to most "companies" downfalls. Because thats just not true. And most hype? It fell off quicker than Center.. most hype my ass. It has the same pop stats since wipe on 5man as Island did... come on now.

(First pic is Ext second is Center

[royal summit]

Apples to oranges. Extinction has a fraction is the base spots, center is king for ratholes.

Extinction is for PvP

[woven fjord]

I suppose Ill schedule you for an eye exam now. Smh blind. New doesnt mean popular.
King of ratholes? Sure has quite a few but all are incredibly well known... Extinction has many spots that some may consider ratholes and some may not.
Whats the point of being told "Iron out the details and I will make it happen" and things we discuss and decided are ignored. Makes no sense.

[blissful rapids]

They are the most PvE, PVP players creating this cluster. Complaining souly that they get offlined and wiped every season.

[blissful rapids]

Extinction alone, can have good base spots in the sunken area, along with many pillars and ledges in the city.

[woven fjord]

Sure. There are some okay spots. But I can guarantee you people have never played extinction for the "okay" spots🤦‍♂️literally for the early grind of resources and Manas. It's barely better than abb

[blissful rapids]

With you having it limited the high up spots will be well worth it, as the city closest to the snow and desert, claiming all those ledges, using turret limit, you wouldn’t be raided so easily

[upbeat granite]

Extinction is hype? The extinctions server die 3-4x faster than the center ones.

[blissful rapids]

As you can have a cage above and below with main in the middle

Quetz builds have been taken out of question for raiding which is a big thing

Let alone quetz take a lot of dmg from turrets

In this conquest season, online you’ll be raiding 2-3x longer than how it was before due to having to soak most cage towers fully with there being no way to tek them out or get on them.

Stego riders will be picked by a bug within the towers range and racers would be whipped by a reaper most time to prevent soaking or spammed in by gates

If turret limit is 50 turrets most bases will be broken easily by stegos

So let’s hope it’s 100+

200 just simply your not soaking that out

Not with 3 people

[royal summit]

Discussions with you go nowhere. You just like to hear yourself talk.

Simple: extinction, the newest map, will not be excluded from clusters

[upbeat granite]

Can the drops from OSDs be tuned down then? One red/legendary OSD and you are essentially done with blueprints

[royal summit]

Yes cuz everyone on center is in 1x ratholes that are nearly impossible to wipe. Extinction has ratholes yes, but no where near the amount.

But why we talking ratholes when ratholes are banned on the conquest cluster?

[royal summit]

The loot table is edited to be diff for conquest 👍🏼

[woven fjord]

Says the one says some the craziest shit ever. Lmao at least I try to compromise unless you and everyone else. Dont give people false decisions then if you don't want me to talk. Not my fault Ronnie said for us to decide. We decided and that doesn't matter now.

And even if I do like hearing myself talk... are you gunna ban me globally like yall did k8lynn for complaining and catching yall on some bs?

[royal summit]

Relax lol

[upbeat granite]

k8lynn deserved to be globally banned. I hope they are permaed tbh

[blissful rapids]

@woven fjord I can say this conquest mode would be better on a 5man setting due to you have to soak most bases out

Atleast the big bases

[royal summit]

It would yes. Ark is made for tribes not small groups. But can’t do two 5man clusters at once

[blissful rapids]

The knowledgeable players

[royal summit]

Official conquest is 25 man tribe limit lol

[woven fjord]

I mean I agree but the people voted for 3

[blissful rapids]

Yeah, I can see 3man just leading to many bases not getting raided

[royal summit]

Couldn’t use all the polls. Only 15 people max voted in each

[woven fjord]

I wanna play this but i prefer 5 man so we will see maybe itll change next wipe

[blissful rapids]

Let along it taking hours on end

[upbeat granite]

Bro you can soak a megatribe solo. No need for 5 people

[blissful rapids]

Unfortunately I feel 3man just stays limited tek

[woven fjord]

Its not only about soaking. I dont like no lifing the game so its nice having 5 people to pick up that slack.

[blissful rapids]

Too much was removed for this 3man conquest to work that well

Hope your ready to soak towers for 12+ hours

[woven fjord]

Which is fine. If it goes badly we add t hings slowly.

Better than adding too much and wiping in a week imo

[royal summit]

You can raid land bases without soaking

[upbeat granite]

12+ hours? You may be the worst player on earth if it takes that long to soak a turret wall. Their are no teslas

[blissful rapids]

No tek saddles, no quetz or racer builds. If the towers are 100 turrets and u only got 3man most won’t be able to

Yes there is a few cheese ways

But very little

Online they won’t work

[woven fjord]

lol lets do a 3 tribe map that actually sounds like it would be pretty cool

[royal summit]

You can build ramp quetzal with structure limit 8

[woven fjord]

25 v 25 v 25

[blissful rapids]

Spam alone will hold some people time

[royal summit]

Official conquest is just Chinese hacker hangout

[woven fjord]

chill or theyll demand another mek buff

[viral flame]

5 man is lame. Most people dont have 5 people to play with

[royal summit]

5man is most popular cluster rn lol

[blissful rapids]

😂 you know people gonna have tons of bullets in they turrets

3man limited and 5man are the top clusters for sure even with the beginners

[upbeat granite]

Half the people in the 5 man cluster are solo

[viral flame]

5 man is most popular because no one gets raided since you always got someone online

[royal summit]

Bullets on ark are free… farm so easy

[woven fjord]

I tried suggesting using the CS turrets with reduced slot counts..

Also suggested no terrain turrets wwith the CS settings

[royal summit]

Completely wrong. It’s popular cuz there is actually raiding and battles happening. So players actually having fun for once, not hiding in 1x ratholes

[upbeat granite]

I wish terrain turrets would be removed. Lamest thing ASA added

[viral flame]

suggestions are pointless anyways

[royal summit]

So much action on 5man

[viral flame]

most of the stuff people complain about the ones in control use it so its going no where

[royal summit]

True. Completely removed the skill in building

[royal summit]

Example?

[upbeat granite]

So much action? Are we playing on the same server? I flew around center with 90 people for like 2 hours and didnt see a single soul

[royal summit]

Fob up on someone

[viral flame]

wont ban flamethrowers and many instances of admins flame bobing events

[royal summit]

Admins don’t participate in events or play eliteark lol. But on the topic: flames gonna be banned on conquest

[upbeat granite]

I mean sure. Talking about open world pvp though which is the best pvp. Even on 5 man servers, people are still holed up in the same rat holes. Nothing really changes with tribe size unless you get into 10+ tribe size

[royal summit]

There’s no way to nerf flamethrowers so we were hoping to find a working mod, but haven’t yet

Suggestions aren’t useless. Ronnie reads them all

[blissful rapids]

Bad idea on that tbh

[royal summit]

Open world PvP best PvP? Okay, agree to disagree I guess. 5man tribe limit is great for raiding cuz you can actually get shit done

[blissful rapids]

Yea fr

[royal summit]

Every time I’m on a 5man server… there’s multiple raids happening.

[blissful rapids]

3man all it gonna take is a bug

Or crab

[royal summit]

If you want 1v1 fabi battles, if that’s your “pvp” then maybe arena is best

[upbeat granite]

There was non stop raids in the solo-duo. I fail to see whats different about raid quanitity. It was the biggest complaint. To many people getting raided

[blissful rapids]

Won’t find that on any cluster

[royal summit]

On soloduo… after week 1, more bases decay than get raided

[viral flame]

these people just want farmers in their tribes to do all the work while they go mess around

game is fun when all you get to do is raid and pvp

[blissful rapids]

Most get offlined tbh but many just stop playing and cluster hop

[viral flame]

while losers do the farming

also if solo/duo is so bad I guess you all should stop doing it

maybe start a 10 man server to get some more grinders in the tribes

[royal summit]

Huh? I didn’t say it’s “so bad” lol I said 5man is by far most popular right now.

[viral flame]

it just came out?

[royal summit]

SoloDuo has its place, but it’s also got its issues rn

[viral flame]

i mean so does 5 man. I only have 1 person I play with

[royal summit]

We aren’t getting rid of soloduo lol

Simply said 5man is more popular lately. Last 2 wipes 5man has done significantly better and held pop more, which mathematically shouldn’t be possible.. but is happening

What I mean by that is… each tribe wiped on 5 man should be -5 pop. Where 2man is only -2. So 5man should die faster, but doesn’t

After the 1 week mark, more bases decay on SoloDuo than get raided…

[blissful rapids]

Also with 5 people you can rebuild faster if you got out with stuff..

[viral flame]

I dont think that many tribes have 5

all my time playing I got rolled up on by 4+ people 1 time and online raiding I hit a 5 man once

[royal summit]

Most are 4 or 5, but rare besides wipe weekend that everyone is on at once

[viral flame]

Truth is people just want to play the freshest cluster no matter what it is

[grave sable]

how did u get access to these graphs?

i fr just wanna see em myselfg

[woven fjord]

https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/arksa/30967498?playerCount=30D

[grave sable]

ah sweet i didnt realise battlemetrics had graphs

[woven fjord]

yeah although the 30d graph is pretty useless

[grave sable]

yeh i see that

i was tryna see the 3 month graph to just compare all of elites clusters, see which one is the most worth to play based on holding pop. i assume 3 man limited previously did the best though

[woven fjord]

It's like because the servers change names that it wont be likely to see over a month

[grave sable]

yeh ik ik

it would have been nice to compare graphs from servers that recently had their season end

[wind badge]

"catching yall on some bs" are you serious?

[woven fjord]

I cannot comment. Cake told me to relax

[grave sable]

i might not be a supporter of whatever exceed is saying but... the same thing happened to me. i fear i may not speak to prevent uh.. future problems for me

[cosmic osprey]

Lot of broken shit / op

I thought the original point of this was to have a more “og” style server.
I understand you’ll never have what Ark once was since metas have changed.
But I figured a big part of that was no tek/very limited tek and no ext. and maybe attempting at a slightly longer wipe and not dieing out in 2 weeks since it’ll be slowed down some.
seems like really the only major thing that got carried over from the original post was no cave building. Which is great but wasn’t the whole focus.
I can see having one of the two, tek or ext.
having both seems too far off the original topics discussed.
IMO
You don’t need ext just cuz it’s the newest map.
It’s just as dead as island 1 week in. Center is king of pop no matter what.

[old trench]

islands pop being doing pretty well lately ngl

[nova jacinth]

Constructive and respectful comments and criticism/suggestions are fine
Outright belligerent comments arent.
EA is built on community feedback but we are also human working for everyones enjoyment not just those who make the most noise.
That doesnt mean players get a free pass to say whatever either. Keep it polite and respectful and be aware of the limits of a topic and youll be fine

[cosmic osprey]

After the first few days it’s usually half of center or less from what I see

[cosmic osprey]

They help close the gap between raid time and build time.
In some circumstances like ratholes they are too strong yeah.
But speaking normal bases, base that take 2 weeks to farm takes 2 hours to offline without terrains.
Terrain turrets help close that gap by making raiding harder.

Ark and atlas both it’s their major downfall. Along with many other things.
The time to build is 100x the time to raid usually.

[blissful rapids]

Yeah without terrain turrets a base would get walked

[woven fjord]

Said the same thing.

Extinction will just increase the speed of wipe which completely defeats the purpose or style of this cluster

[frank glen]

U need meks even on a classic ark, if u have a decent tribe u will spam thousand foundation,and u are not gonna raid nobody with arthos, maybe reduce the ele rates on extintion or make it no transfarable soo ppl can only use the map to prefab

Also if they decide to ban tek turrets ele is kinna pointless, soo is whatever if u have it or no!

[frank glen]

U guys didnt read that turrets are gonna have 3x dmg when offline thats pretty fair

[woven fjord]

bro... did you not play classic ark before meks? fortniting wasnt a thing

[woven fjord]

hats the same as it is now.

[blissful rapids]

They like to c4 spam it’s ok

[woven fjord]

With extinction.. within an hour you can have 50 turrets bc of the electronics grind on enforcers and DU

[woven fjord]

Lol no.. classic ark you didnt even need to blow spam. fortniting wasnt a thing back before extinction on ASE

lmao

meks werent always in the game.. like what.. do you think no one raided back then? 🤦‍♂️

[frank glen]

Bro u are clueless with the raids they are adding u will get fuck all for electrónics! They can also adjunt how much u get! Extinction needs to be in the game, u are bob if u think u can push a massive base without meks! Their a reason why meks become a thing

[woven fjord]

clearly you never played ark before extinction on ASE... lmfao

[frank glen]

Yeah exactly u just give us the reason! U need meks in the game if not nobody will fob if u have 1k foundations spam

[woven fjord]

ark was out for YEARS before Extinction released

and guess what

people still raided...

[frank glen]

Bro u are stupid i got 1k days on ase and like 4 months in asa ! I definely know the game better then u

[frank glen]

U are comparing ark when the game was 1x lol nobody was spamming 1k foundations u are saying just stupid points!

[woven fjord]

Clearly not if you think that nobody ever raided anyone on ASE before meks...

[frank glen]

U want no extinction which means no mek on a x10 ? Lol good luck pushing my tribe when I spam 2k foundations

[woven fjord]

Um no. I am referring to 10-20x unofficial servers when people spammed. Fortniting wasnt a thing in that meta.

and if tek turrets were removed like previously requested... fortniting again wouldnt be a thing

meaning you wouldnt need to blow all the foundations to raid someone

[frank glen]

Bro u are clueless, whatever if they listen to ppl like u if anything is better for me! Ill definely outgrind everyone blow stuff with c4 and then u are gonna be crying for meks when I have 10k foundations on base

[woven fjord]

just bc YOU cant raid without having all your turrets at their front door doesnt mean thats the only way to raid

[frank glen]

Soo if anything keep saying that ill just do that

[woven fjord]

Lol I mean have fun ill just raid you without needing to blow your foundations

🤷‍♂️

[frank glen]

If they wanna listen to ppl with 0 experience then thats good for me too! Soo whatever

[frank glen]

Bro a player that doesnt want extinction is a player that clearly has 0 experience and is clueless soo trust me , i am not scared of a tribe run by u

Soo ill drop u coords day 1 if u want

Lets see

[woven fjord]

Lol yeah... 6000 hours ASE and 850 hrs ASA is 0 experience 🤦‍♂️

[frank glen]

Well u definitely have being playing pve or something

No way a guy with that much time playing ark is saying dumb stuff like that

[cosmic osprey]

You can have meks without ext no?

[cosmic osprey]

Speaking in general about terrain turrets not just this cluster

[frank glen]

But like i say, i am just trying to make the cluster balance and better, but if for some reason they listen to pve players! Then trust me ill just spam 2k foundations around my base and ill see u on your arthros lol

[frank glen]

Nope no meks without extinction

[woven fjord]

Lol youre literally saying that before extinction no one raided or bc it was 1x on official (this isnt official if you didnt notice) you didnt have carpets.. says it all there folks

[frank glen]

Unless they put them as costum drops

[cosmic osprey]

They could easily do that.

[woven fjord]

Lol day 1 meks wiping all bases

[frank glen]

Nobody had that much shit on x1 , plus nobody was blowing spam, they were just pushing without turret cover which was stupid and that was when everyone was bobs! Soo u are comparing a whole new game

But whatever ill say it again if they listen to players like u, mu tribe will stomp everyone! I will like to see u on your arthos or pushing without foundations control! Ill send u naked back to base

[woven fjord]

Again this isn';t official... its not 1x. and my experience is 90% unofficial.. we still raided WITHOUT meks no problem even with foundation spam lmfao

[frank glen]

End of my conversation with u , i hate explaining the game to bobs

[woven fjord]

Learn to raid bud

[cosmic osprey]

There will never be a good balance in ark again. It will be too easy to raid or too hard no one will ever be happy.
There is too much knowledge, too many metas, too much broken shit.

We wanted this cluster to “attempt” to play sort of like
The old days.
It’s just nothing like that now. Atleast not what I was thinking. Can’t speak for others.

[frank glen]

I will definitely not learn anything from u bro, if anything if someone new to the game read your stupid ideas he will be becoming more stupid in ark! Good luck raiding tribes without foundations control bob! Please on day 2 o 3 ask for my coords and come try! Ill record it soo ppl never listen to u

[frank glen]

Yeah definely but u cant make it a little more balance specially on cluster like this 1 wheree their is mod and u can adjunt stuff really fast

[blissful rapids]

After meks came the spam got way worse

Specially on unofficial

Without tek suit you should have done a poll for sinocrops

[frank glen]

Finally someone with brain, u need something to counter spam tribes! And guess what that is?

Meks

[frank glen]

I do agree on that bcs building is gonna be awful without tek chest but if they really want old ark u will use tappys

[old trench]

#1331320926981193829

[woven fjord]

Or just a rule like there currently is? Instead of 40 foundations make it 15 foundations from an active turret tower. But again.. if you cant raid without destroying all of someones foundys then you just need to get better

[old trench]

15 foundies is kinda small range

[woven fjord]

Just an example

[frank glen]

Soo u wanna limit how much grind u put on a base on an unofficial server lol bro just pls be quiet i swear!

If u wanna raid without meks just dont farm them and push like u like to do it!

[frank glen]

Bro I swear any experience player raiding will laugh if they read what u are saying! Raiding ppl without foundations control, is the definition of someone that raid offline or has never being on a legit good raid! Please watch some videos and learn how to play ark

[woven fjord]

There already is a limit>??!?!?

are you dumb?

[woven fjord]

#old-elite-ark-rules message

[woven fjord]

Learn how to speak properly before having an argument or you just unintellectual.

[frank glen]

Bro I think u are on the wrong cluster, u should be on a pve server giving up your crazy opinions

[blissful rapids]

Sinocrops also would help for c4 spam on edges and vertical. Try using 100 grapples to break spam and they just spam it back

[blissful rapids]

Everyone thinks he should be on PVE as he is always one of the people to be offlined or raided

[blissful rapids]

Let’s try to keep it clean please

[frank glen]

Lol as soon as he start saying dumb shit like that, i knew either he only offlines or he is pve! Soo not a big surprise to be honest with u

[blissful rapids]

There is a proper way conquest will work however with too much removed, it would be PvE essentially

[woven fjord]

Are you referring to me? Bc i have yet to be wiped. lmfao or offlined

[blissful rapids]

No I’m saying he was complaining his towers were getting offlined by racers

[woven fjord]

Again not true. Everyone out here making wild accusations. Its crazy

[blissful rapids]

So he then put in a suggestion for less platform structures and if you read it all yikes

[frank glen]

I say the way they are trying to release conquest here is gonna be fun and competitive! They just need to ignored pve players like him, meks and extinction are needed and they have a place on mid and high tier raiding if not is just bored and nobody wants to deal with 1k foundations

[woven fjord]

I didnt make the suggestion. I added to it

False information is also wild

Discord helper but makes shit up

[blissful rapids]

Not a wild accusation, simply following the things you say in suggestions

[woven fjord]

wildddd

[frank glen]

Lol I mean if he is towers are getting drop by racers he is definely not a builder neither

@woven fjord what are u good at the game? Like i am being honest bcs u are making no sense

Are u even good at something?

[blissful rapids]

That would be my mistake if I didn’t double check who made that suggestion

[woven fjord]

I can do everything lol there are no counters to racers offline. But this isnt the place for it since it doesnt matter since platforms were reduced to 6 or 8 or whatever

[blissful rapids]

Reduced to 8

Racers don’t soak very well

[frank glen]

Trust me a player doing this suggestions is not good at anything

[blissful rapids]

Unless they are buffed they will take quite a bit of damage from turrets

[frank glen]

Yeah I say they need to be buff for conquest! To make the old ark style of pushing racers or brontos with gigas helping them

[frank glen]

Yeah racers will get melted even by just heavies

[woven fjord]

I wasnt the one who pushed the hardest for that but with only open world bases.. it was necessary

[blissful rapids]

And did you think of the ceiling bases?

Which have been buffed now

[frank glen]

For bobs maybe, even if they get incase if u have your turrets setup properly u can counter racers

[woven fjord]

Youre not going to use a racer for ceiling bases so it doesnt matter?

[blissful rapids]

Quetz builds were lowered so now you got to ramp up or soak

[frank glen]

U could if u Know how to play, if u control the floor u can just ramp up with racers easily

[royal summit]

Which sucks cuz it’s most useful haha

[blissful rapids]

Not all ceiling spots are rampable

[frank glen]

Exactly but i think he doesnt know about ark raiding and that u can ramp up

[woven fjord]

Very true lol

[woven fjord]

But youll never get close enough for it to matter.

[blissful rapids]

Well even with a ramp, there’s a limit

[blissful rapids]

You can depending on their spam

[frank glen]

Most of them are, some cave ones maybe not but since they are ban! U can

Plus quetzal can be buff on conquest and then u just soak with stegos

[blissful rapids]

Well on abb there’s some broken spots

[frank glen]

Some dinos definely need to be buff for conquest to work!

[blissful rapids]

Mind you there’s still a height limit on builds I’m sure

[frank glen]

Nope not anymore with that air shit they release u can soak anything with stegos

[woven fjord]

At the end of the day, this was to slow the cluster down and bring back open world bases. Ceiling bases slightly buffed? Sure but you can still take them down. Theres more then just quetzals.

And if they prove too strong it can be added alongside ratholes lol

[blissful rapids]

Coils could have stayed tbh for outside bases

[frank glen]

The new stuff they release is more op then quetzals

[woven fjord]

Idk who even suggested their removal tbh

[blissful rapids]

Idk either

They would have helped a lot

[frank glen]

Coils will just melt stegos and make it soo difficult to push! I try raiding an outside tower and those things are to broken

Like insta half health only like 20 turrets shooting

[blissful rapids]

There’s ramping, zepplin and quetz

[frank glen]

Stegos with 74 armour is already enough, they take hell of dmg from heavies

[blissful rapids]

They are iffy, we raided a tower and the volitile didn’t even shoot us.

But the stun and bright did

I’ve noticed them shoot and not shoot sometimes

[frank glen]

Oh yeah but that is skill issues ppl is making cages that dont work, if u have a wall if if its a double door the game will count it as if its blocking the turrets! Soo u just build properlu

[blissful rapids]

Anyone soaking on a stego will be cooked this season

[blissful rapids]

Yeah, so more open design or larger cage

[frank glen]

Yeah thats why they need to buff brontos, racer and quetzals! No way the meta is gonna be only stegos on conquest

[blissful rapids]

With bugs the stego is cooked

[woven fjord]

Tek turrets should have been removed and then nerfed golems/stegos dmg reduction imo

[blissful rapids]

Bronto causes tons of lag tbh with people swinging them

[woven fjord]

bbut we will see how this wipe goes

[frank glen]

Yeah pretty much , i have soak soo many bases and turrets dont even shoot bcs ppl is doing weird cages

[blissful rapids]

Collecting berries in a swamp

[royal summit]

Tesla’s make bases significantly stronger right? Idk where the convo was had, but I can imagine a lot of people are gonna be raided on conquest… prolly didn’t want the % of ppl without DLCs to get evaporated. So teslas and pyro’s start disabled

[frank glen]

Oh yeah thats other thing , bugs are not healthy for a conquest cluster, those things need to be ban

[woven fjord]

Start disabled for how long?

[blissful rapids]

But yet remember there’s a crab too

[royal summit]

They’ll def be strong. Does everything strong need to be disabled tho?

[royal summit]

First wipe

[woven fjord]

Are they removed from lootboxes tho

[frank glen]

Yeah true that, if u want a balance cluster u cant have dlc ítems that are that op

[upbeat granite]

Anyone advocating for Teslas to be allowed should seek mental help

[blissful rapids]

It’s bug or crab, both can grab stego, just like wyvern

[woven fjord]

Well my other concern i dont see was the shop changed or adjusted at all

things like crab and rhynio should be far more expensive now

if they are kept in

[royal summit]

Huh? I was talking about teslas haha

[blissful rapids]

Crabs are easily tameable either way

[woven fjord]

Oh i meant pyros my bad

[blissful rapids]

No point in changing the shop price

[frank glen]

But crabs are good u need them they are not broken! U can counter them, now a bug if a different story! Those should be ban

[blissful rapids]

Try a 150k hp crab

[woven fjord]

Right I keep forgetting they are having all the maps 🤦‍♂️

[blissful rapids]

Let alone they clone tf out of them

And breed

[royal summit]

Chain bola able to hit them? And yes @woven fjord the price of chain bola was fixed lol

[woven fjord]

Bc originally we said to do 1 test server instead of a cluster

[frank glen]

What i mean are they are slow is not a flying bug that can even soak some turrets

[frank glen]

Yeah

[woven fjord]

Lol great. Now if only they knocked riders off of stegos 🤣

[frank glen]

Chain bola can hit any large dino

[blissful rapids]

Try landing it when they fabi you off it

[woven fjord]

Why the ?

[frank glen]

They take increase dmg from flame arrows too, 10% dmg soo like i say crabs are not a big problem

[blissful rapids]

They can be if you can’t kill them, soaking on a stego when they bring out a crab won’t be worth it

Even if you lose 2 stegos to one crab

Since they can be bred

[frank glen]

Yeah definely no, but if u push stegos with gigas or carchas u will not grab a stego on time! If anything i say a quetzal is more dangerous then a crab

[blissful rapids]

Many things that should have been looked at and thought about before rushing this season tbh

[frank glen]

But thats why they are gonna be soo op for conquest

[woven fjord]

Lol ya'll know that if a stego is chain bola'd the player riding it isnt knocked off like they are for most other dinos right?

[frank glen]

Quetzal are gonna be legends

[blissful rapids]

3man no one going to use a giga tbh when raiding

Specially when they gonna comp the hell out of it cause of bordom

[upbeat granite]

The discourse around this server is getting ridiculous. Ban this. wah. ban this. wahh

[frank glen]

Well u are stupid too, u need this for the server to run better! Lol

[blissful rapids]

It’s always like that on any server that has suggestions

[upbeat granite]

Bro is talkinga bout banning karkis lol

[frank glen]

Thats the whole point of the sugestión channels lol

[blissful rapids]

Many vote without reading the full discussion too

[frank glen]

Lol nobody has say anything about karkis , and at that point may aswell ban quetzals too

They are 100 % gonna be better then karkis

[blissful rapids]

I’m not saying to ban, but just saying soaking on a stego won’t be that good with bugs, kark, wyvern, and quetz to pick them up

Quetz rn are squishy

[upbeat granite]

Yes you are? You are talkinag about crabs. Karkinos, Karki. Tf you mena no one is talkinag about them

[woven fjord]

I tried saying no SE but 🤷‍♂️ would have been interesting. Ive never seen anyoine use quetzals

[frank glen]

Yeah I agree, soo Whats the solution? Buff racers, brontos and u will have a perfect balance soaking method

[blissful rapids]

I never said they need to be banned

[frank glen]

Quetzal use to be the meta for a long time, then reapers become a thing and bug soo nobody use them anymore

[blissful rapids]

Brontos don’t have saddles and not tameable rn, mainly because people use to get berries and it lags the server

It’s been a issue for sometime I believe

Plus the high HP pool

I’d say just buff racers

[frank glen]

I mean true, but i can lag the server on any cave with a kangaroo! Soo if anything buff racers then and problem solve

[blissful rapids]

As nothing can pick them up

[frank glen]

I will just like to use brontos for the meme

[blissful rapids]

Ik but unfortunately we removed the dread for the HP issue too

[woven fjord]

I know they were. Thats why I said get rid of SE to bring them back

I miss them

[blissful rapids]

Maps won’t be removed most likely

[woven fjord]

But I also miss classic flyers 🤷‍♂️

[blissful rapids]

U remove SE, no golems, wyverns or SE tames unless they are Eliteark spawns

[frank glen]

Bro see i wanna be serious with u, and now u wanna take dragons out of the game too lol , golems, etc

[woven fjord]

Yeah... I mean when Rag comes out.. IT should just be Rag x 2, Center, Island, Abb Imo

Scorched wont be necessary

[frank glen]

Please just be serious dragons are needed too

[blissful rapids]

Well rag ain’t out yet

We have to work with what we have

[frank glen]

Bro are u playing asa or ase?

[blissful rapids]

Not with what isn’t out yet

[frank glen]

Why are u talking about rag! That map has not even being annnounce

[blissful rapids]

With rag, no reason to have 2 center

You would keep ext

[woven fjord]

For what lol Quetzals can do everythign a wyv can its just slower

[blissful rapids]

It was announced apparently

But not for another like 3 months

Or something

Soaking in gasbags is out of question with tek turrets knocking you back btw

[frank glen]

Many reasons, u definitely wanna ban the whole dino collection fuck! U want mek out, no extinction, no wyverns, no karkis, u wanna stop racers from being build! At this point lets make the cluster a rust cluster

[frank glen]

Ohhhj yeah forget about those gasbags are gonna be op, definely

Ill be using gasbags instead of stegos

[blissful rapids]

Not with tek turrets

Remember tek turrets push the gasbag

[frank glen]

Well their is a poll for banning them soo if they get ban then op asf

[frank glen]

Yeah I was saying it incase they get ban

[blissful rapids]

They ain’t that broken

[short sage]

gimmie tek tp I’m lazy

[blissful rapids]

I don’t believe that was being removed

[short sage]

oh we are so up chat

[upbeat granite]

Tek TP is in and Tek turrets are 99.9999% in

[frank glen]

Bro a gasbag with a cap saddle and good oxy will soak a whole tower! U dont get shoot or nothing

[blissful rapids]

Can’t have a cluster without them

[woven fjord]

Sounds perfect

[short sage]

remove gene scanners

hot take

[blissful rapids]

Why 😂

You def gonna need genes this season

Unless u prefer to get ripped by tek turrets

[vagrant zealot]

What do they even do?

[frank glen]

I swear ppl is just trolling

[blissful rapids]

Bruh

[frank glen]

Search for tames lol

[blissful rapids]

Yeah….

[woven fjord]

March sometimes.

[vagrant zealot]

Lol I haven’t used it

[upbeat granite]

Traits are insanely OP.

[short sage]

🪤

[grave sable]

their only really good for mutations tho

otherwise their just alright

[blissful rapids]

It enhances breeding using genes traits etc

[frank glen]

I dont even think ppl even use them for traits lol

[vagrant zealot]

Oh haven’t used it at all

[blissful rapids]

Not many people use them tbh

[upbeat granite]

@grave sable Nah. 3 Tenacious 3's on a stego is so insane

[blissful rapids]

Cause people don’t buy the dlc

[short sage]

Resource caves are removed right

[woven fjord]

Tenacious on stegos is lovely

[upbeat granite]

TheExceed gets it

[short sage]

or no

[frank glen]

Or numb 5 lol

[short sage]

It’s probably in announcement but I’m lazy

[blissful rapids]

Don’t see a reason they should be

[woven fjord]

Protection is good too for tek turrets

[vagrant zealot]

I hope tek turrets are enabled, gasbags and golems are gunna go BRRR

[frank glen]

Yeah rates are gonna be soo low soo is not even gonna be that good to run them

[upbeat granite]

A lot of people dont realize a lot of traits stack.

[woven fjord]

Golem were supposed be nerfed lime 60% if there were no tek turrets

[blissful rapids]

They should be, if they are not the season is cooked after the first 48 hours

[short sage]

oh shit then I’m getting a carcha 10 mins into wipe ez

[vagrant zealot]

Still gasbags are just as good

[short sage]

imma be that guy and just sit at resource cave with carch

[vagrant zealot]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying

[frank glen]

Yeah if u play unofficial u are not gonna be looking for traits ! Is a waste of time just for 1 tame

[woven fjord]

Slower wipe so they should be temoved

[vagrant zealot]

Psh just don’t play

[woven fjord]

Removed*

[upbeat granite]

@frank glen Not true. You just dont get it

[blissful rapids]

It won’t be slow

[frank glen]

They are 100% better then golems, 124 saddles, u can breed them and they are soo fast

[short sage]

the goal is to ruin as many peoples wipe prog

[woven fjord]

It's meant to be though

[vagrant zealot]

Exactly why teks are gunna be enabled hopefully

[short sage]

evil mode

[frank glen]

I am not teaching u how to play neither, u do u! Keep farming traits i dont care

[vagrant zealot]

Yeah I know 😂 your little solo ahh is just gunna try to hide and delay people

[woven fjord]

I like misty but if I see him day 3 some make level shit.. lmao

[frank glen]

I mean even on official conquest teks were a thing! They just need to nerf how much ele u get from bosses soo u cant capped them

[woven fjord]

Like day 7 lvl 375 meks the other day on 5man

[short sage]

https://tenor.com/view/black-sabbath-war-pigs-generals-gathered-in-their-masses-cat-meme-gif-16029358381598420694

[vagrant zealot]

Just don’t miss with me

[blissful rapids]

Without tek turrets it’ll be fast

[short sage]

Don’t go to island resource cave

[blissful rapids]

There shouldn’t be meks over lvl 300 anymore

[vagrant zealot]

It will go so fast it won’t be worth playing without tek turrets

[short sage]

I will be in the entrance with a carcha

[vagrant zealot]

Thanks buddy 🙏

[frank glen]

Yeah they can balance crafting skill soo even if u get a capped bp it will not be op

[woven fjord]

I mean if it is then nerfs will happen 🤷🏻‍♂️ tatertot and I had mentioned several that needed to take place if they were removed but seeing as a lot of stuff that was discussed was ignored or not implemented who knows

[blissful rapids]

It’s unfortunate this is 3man setting

[frank glen]

Even if their is no tek u can have an op base that will not be raided! But i agree u should have tek turrets , just make it soo alpha gives u like 400 ele soo u actually need to do a bunch of fights

Or official ele settings for boss

[blissful rapids]

Well looking at the recent official update, servers can now create a cap I’m pretty sure

[vagrant zealot]

Exactly, but all base spots are in the open so non are insanely OP

[woven fjord]

I'm more pointing out these are event rewards and see the drops in events being this busted will kill the server even faster. Don't get me wrong i know they need to be enticing to bring people but man.. thats wild

[frank glen]

Just allow tek turrets, official ele drops drom bosses and now ele transfer soo extintion can be abuse, and the cluster will be balance

No building on extinction soo ppl can have capped turrets

[cosmic osprey]

People saying everyone will be wiped without tek turrets.

This can easily be prevented with very basic setting changes, not taking much time or effort at all.

It really doesn’t take much to realize the things that need to be changed.

[cosmic osprey]

They already said ext is 100% happening sadly.

[frank glen]

Yeah trust if u have a decent tribe heavies will defend your base! Tek turrets are just good bcs capped them before heavies

[frank glen]

Yeah I know and the map needs to be on the game, i am saying make it soo the map is not buildable! Or that veins are super nerf, maybe 400 ele per 50k

[cosmic osprey]

It’s the 100x server mentality people have now. Wanna cap a ton of turrets from running one 90 second boss fight. Sad where the game is at.

[woven fjord]

Trie

True

[cosmic osprey]

There’s literally so many ways you can handle removing tek turrets lol

Increase damage, reducer soaker resistance, reduce cost, reduce ammo cost etc etc

[woven fjord]

Honestly I feel like no tek turrets will lead to less fortniting and more pvping at raids too tbh

[frank glen]

Yeah thats why ppl want tek turrets bcs they can capped them day 1, but if they put official ele rates on bosses ppl will struggle even capping tek turrets soo guess what the game will be a little more balance

[cosmic osprey]

We waited how many months for this server why are we rushing it at the last second doing stuff that doesn’t make sense.

[frank glen]

But the main thing is gonna be, they need to nerf extinction heavily on element or the conquest cluster is gonna be pointless! The whole point is a fresh new experience, grinding and fun experience! Different then other cluster! Soo if somehow u can get thousand of ele without effort ! Everyone may as well play a normal boosted server

[cosmic osprey]

That’s what I said this is too similar to the other clusters it’s pointless

The only difference is no cave building. As great as that is, it’s not enough.

[frank glen]

No bro is not, trust, they just need to reduce ele farm and the cluster will feel different!

[frank glen]

Cave building change the game by 80% soo just by doing that is a whole new experience

[cosmic osprey]

There’s lot of things ext brings besides element

Manas are absolutely insane early game pvp. And even late game raiding on here

[frank glen]

Like what? Osd is the same as going into a cave with red drops on elite!

[cosmic osprey]

Gasbags are op on here early game with these settings

Titans have too many exploits

[frank glen]

Gasbags are good but if they release tek turrets gasbasg are gone

[woven fjord]

Yeah I feel like there could been a better indepth discussion maybe even voice chat for it

[frank glen]

Nobody is raiding with titans bro what are u talking about! When was the last time u tame a titan?

[cosmic osprey]

You must be unaware of the titan exploits

[frank glen]

Bro I havent seeing a titan in an unofficial server since extinction got release lol

Titans are shit, they are just good for osd

[cosmic osprey]

They are shit for legit tribe vs legit tribe.
You’re forgetting a large portion of players cheat on games now

[frank glen]

And lets say someone has an exploit like u say, nobody tames titans, just make them not tammable, nobody is gonna cry

[cosmic osprey]

It’s just another example of dumb shit ext brings for this cluster

[frank glen]

Yeah ban them, nobody will cry

[cosmic osprey]

But they won’t. I said this weeks ago

[frank glen]

Extinction need to be part of the cluster, i dont agree in taking Extinction! U need Extinction for many reason , u just dont need 2k ele per veins, titans and the Extinction is balance

[cosmic osprey]

Why do you need ext

[woven fjord]

Lol you didn't need extention in ase why do u now

[cosmic osprey]

What value does it bring to a cluster like this that you can’t add to other maps

[woven fjord]

💀💀💀

[cosmic osprey]

It has 0 base spots without custom caves so no one will be building it with any half decent base

[frank glen]

Many reasons lol open base spots everywhere, manas, snow owls, gachas,velos, osd for open fun pvp, other source of ele other then farming tributes!

Just remove titans and nerf ele gather rates ! I dont know why u wanna make it difficult

[cosmic osprey]

Manas are broken they add nothing positive to the game currently.
Snow owls are cool I guess not really that useful anymore.
Gachas are useless on a boosted server.
Velos are kinda useless on this cluster.
No one pvps at veins or osd without cheating

Not sure what open base spots there are that are good. King plat is about the only useful one I can think of

[upbeat granite]

There are a lot of OP death barrier bases right now. Abusing an exploit but its allowed

[cosmic osprey]

There was no death barrier on one entire side of the map and there is no sky boarder at all lmao

Broken map

[frank glen]

Soo u are saying everyone in here that pvps on an osd is cheating lol u are making shit up now! Manas are not broken neither lol they are soo ass on ass ! Just good for mobility

[vagrant zealot]

Pillars are all going to be good, if it’s an online

[frank glen]

At this point just dont play the cluster if u think everyone is cheating lol

[cosmic osprey]

Yes everytime I’ve been near an osd it’s people placing turrets. Fact.
If you had a different experience great.

[cosmic osprey]

Keyword online 😭 we can all wish

[vagrant zealot]

Yeah exactly even then ORP plus other strats could save you offline too

[frank glen]

Thats is not cheating lol thats breaking the rules lol but thats official experience! I usually bring a stego lol but that not cheating

[upbeat granite]

Breaking rules is cheating lol

[cosmic osprey]

I mean if someone breaks the rules in chess is it not called cheating …?

I didn’t say hacking

[frank glen]

Cheating for me is ppl aimbotting or dupping! Not me being a bob and landing on turrets and dying ! U guys just need to learn the actual game bcs u are crying over stuff that is part of the game! U play to much dedis and now u cry about everything

I never die on osd , if anything carry a stego but u guys are crying bcs u die to turrets like be serious

[upbeat granite]

Wow. You cannot be taken seriously

[cosmic osprey]

Noones crying about dieing to turrets.
If it wasn’t against the rules no one would complain.
It’s the fact that people knowingly break the rules lmao and some of us try not to.

[frank glen]

Lets ban extinction bcs I die on osd bcs ppl is placing turrets lol very difficult opinion to take seriously!

[cosmic osprey]

You’re missing the whole point. But that’s ok

[frank glen]

No I am not missing the point, u want to ban a map bcs of titans and open World turrets

[upbeat granite]

Bro is drawing conclusions like he's Van Gogh

[cosmic osprey]

Wrong. But that’s ok still

But you’re new here and on Xbox so I don’t expect any more of you !

[frank glen]

Makes 0 sense just learn how to play the game, if u dont like extinction then play other game, bcs extinction is part of the game now soo either u deal with it, or u uninstall the game

[cosmic osprey]

You got it bro! Thanks for the tip !

[frank glen]

Play rust bro or pve island servers

[blissful rapids]

3man doesn’t get events so won’t be an issue

[blissful rapids]

People will still have capped turrets with or without extinction

[woven fjord]

Okay thats good

[blissful rapids]

Not allowing Extinction, imagine when we have Genesis 1 and 2

[woven fjord]

Get rid of those too

[blissful rapids]

Conquest or old fashioned whatver you want to call it, will change

[woven fjord]

lmaoooo

[frank glen]

Lets a make an island cluster at this point lol

[frank glen]

Just nerf ele farm in every source and it will make pvp way better! I hate to deal with capped tek turrets day 2

[cosmic osprey]

I didn’t mention the element from ext that was someone else

You get 10x more ele on center anyway then ext

@frank glen how much ele you getting on ext day 2? Since you seem to think I’m wrong about that statement

[woven fjord]

Didnt they increase ele to 7x

[blissful rapids]

Oh I was talking ADV, it won’t matter about tek either no matter what people will cap the turrets

[frank glen]

U can capped turrets day 2 with extinction or without extinction! Thats why I say make the cluster official gather rates of every source for conquest, that means 300 ele almost per boss and ele veins like 400 per

[blissful rapids]

Even if you remove the laboratory

[frank glen]

Yeah bro, i knew about laboratory recently and i had capped turrets anyways

[blissful rapids]

Only 5man

[cosmic osprey]

Yeah element or farming really isn’t a concern for me with ext. it’s just the tames and stuff it brings.

[blissful rapids]

What tame on ext causes concern besides titans

[cosmic osprey]

Having manas and gasbags day1 pushes half the players off

[blissful rapids]

Well with the loot changes those saddles may be harder to come by

[cosmic osprey]

There’s the raiding side of it and pvp side. Mana targeting is broken and will dash any base for the first few days.
And people camp spawns with manas. Yeah it’s part of the game but you’re literally pushing half the players off with dumb content like that

[blissful rapids]

They are in the shop too now so they can be bought almost better than tame tbh

If your worried about manas day 1-2, have them put a hold on them

Like stegos and golems

Note they did it on ASE with banning multiple tames for starts of wipes

[cosmic osprey]

Lmao didn’t know they were in shop now. That just makes it 100x worse

It was bad enough when people struggled to find any mana let alone a high level. Can’t imagine everyone having access to high level sooner now

[blissful rapids]

They cost 1250 tho

[cosmic osprey]

On a normal cluster I get it it’s just part of the game it’s new content. But this cluster manas totally change it

[blissful rapids]

So with 3man prob 1-2 days

Tbh this cluster without a capped saddle they will get ripped fast

[cosmic osprey]

1250 is under 12 hours with 3 man

Tbey don’t get targeted it’s not even about the saddle

[blissful rapids]

They do get targeted with proper settings

[cosmic osprey]

If you dash a base correctly with 100 turrets 10 might shoot you if you’re lucky

It’s not about turret settings lol

[blissful rapids]

We haven’t been mana dashed with our settings so idk what your doing

[cosmic osprey]

Bro it’s not about turret settings lmao the coding in the game manas don’t get targeted correctly

[blissful rapids]

We never had issues with our settings

Base never dashed

[cosmic osprey]

It’s not massively abused yet simply cuz most ppl don’t know how cracked it is

[blissful rapids]

Ok but we haven’t had issues that’s all I’m going to state for our tribe

[cosmic osprey]

That’s fine obviously not everyone will have experienced it. Just letting you know it’s a serious problem. Just like titan exploits. But obviously titan exploit people need to use the software so not everyone has access

[blissful rapids]

Titans can be disabled

[cosmic osprey]

But haven’t

There’s been multiple ice titan exploits since day2 of ext

[blissful rapids]

We don’t know how they would impact the season yet

But make another suggestion or vote for it

If worried about it

After all Ronnie said to try to make votes and decisions

[cosmic osprey]

They aren’t even disabled from normal clusters with the exploits lol. But like I said not everyone is hacking so maybe it’s not a massive problem here

Votes in this Channel are pointless

We did votes before and they just did the opposite

[woven fjord]

Its mostly the electronics imo

[cosmic osprey]

I haven’t mained ext on Asa tbh so not sure how the farming was outside of ele so couldn’t say if it was good or bad

[woven fjord]

If someone on your tribe solely went melee and farmed enforcers you could easily get enough for 50 turrets in 30 mins imo

[blissful rapids]

And if I got a angler within 30 mins I’d have tons of pearls too

And the metal takes 5 min

That’s using Ab and island

The farming people do won’t change unless maps are removed but without some maps you lose parts of the game or base spots

[woven fjord]

Lol 30 mins start of wipe you arent getting that.

nor does it take 5mins to smelt

Im not talking late game farming

[blissful rapids]

Not smelt but the pearls yes

[woven fjord]

Its the early game that matters

[blissful rapids]

It won’t matter early game some have learned to move so quick

[woven fjord]

but thats the difference you get already crafted electronic. No need to go tame. Kill and harvest

[blissful rapids]

Conquest looks like it may need its own map at this point

[woven fjord]

Lol bruh thats what needs to be slowed down in order to increase the length of wipes 🤦‍♂️

[blissful rapids]

The last 3man went about 2-3 months

Ever think people like the fresh wipes and build up

[woven fjord]

You cant count the new beginners

[cosmic osprey]

What 3 man went 3 months

[woven fjord]

the main 5 were dead within 3 weeks

[blissful rapids]

There will always need beginners

Due to people already being ahead

[cosmic osprey]

Not 10 of them

[woven fjord]

but you cant count them towards the "length" of a wipe

[blissful rapids]

The beginner allows for people to catch up again

If breeding is slowed then it would work

[woven fjord]

last 3man.. extinction had 60 players and every other main map was under 10...

for weeks

[blissful rapids]

That’s when ext first came out

So everyone flocked go there for the busted spots

[woven fjord]

But the player base was like that before ext

10-15 people per map

if that

[blissful rapids]

Once people get wiped they won’t usually rebuild on a map people are already established

[cosmic osprey]

Elite has catered to fibercraft type players too much and this is why things stay the way they are. The type of people brought in by the wipes getting shorter and shorter + having a 100x cluster here

[blissful rapids]

Specially if good spots are already claimed

[blissful rapids]

ASE used to have 6-7 month maps

[cosmic osprey]

Exactly

[blissful rapids]

However there was only 2 clusters

Not much choices

That’s with all tek etc

[cosmic osprey]

Yes the amount of clusters + even more the amount of beginners is a big reason also why we don’t see long wipes

[blissful rapids]

If they kept beginners, I’d say spread them out some more

[cosmic osprey]

Having basically a new beginner almost everyday you’re just inviting a player base that wants to troll a new server and move on in 24 hours

[blissful rapids]

5man has them spread out more

[cosmic osprey]

When Asa launched we were stuck with shorter wipes cuz we had 1 map and no transfers it was just boring. Now it’s just self inflicted

[woven fjord]

I feel like its not know that if you start late that you can request pve either

But if that couldnt be automated. Might help bring new people even if people are established

[blissful rapids]

Well I haven’t seen PvE at all besides 5man

I believe they still require the mod to be made properly

[cosmic osprey]

The automation part is broken basically all manual as far as I know

[blissful rapids]

Once it’s made and works properly it should be implemented and help

On ASA we are fighting mods a lot of the time

[woven fjord]

Yeah. IT would be good to have it after the first 24 or 48 hrs anyone who joins and places orp getts 48 hours of pve. So hopefully they can get the lethalprot dev to get that to happen

[blissful rapids]

Yeah eventually

That will help wipes

Unfortunately that’s is why there are beginners I feel too

[woven fjord]

Hopefully eventually isnt months especially since lethalprotection is a $35 mod

[blissful rapids]

Due to PVE not Being a thing

[blissful rapids]

Well they just started using lethal protection if I’m correct

[cosmic osprey]

Surprised modders still support this game seeing how badly it’s going and now all hope is lost for the future since Ark 2 is a totally different game if it ever happens

[blissful rapids]

They make money

Why wouldn’t they

[woven fjord]

I believe lethalprot has majority of the orp/pve settings and commands

[cosmic osprey]

I mean it’s a lot of work for not a lot of money and a dieing game. But I guess if they have a passion for the game

[woven fjord]

Im still so salty about this but it makes sense they dont know how to balance a pvpve game

[blissful rapids]

But still having it manual means they need to do it them selves to each tribe

With the multiple clusters that’s quite a bit of work

[cosmic osprey]

Yup. And look what happened to atlas because of it. Game is basically shut down

[blissful rapids]

Ark was never balanced

[woven fjord]

I mean maybe with the dedicated boxes they can set up a script to do it. But thats outside my expertise.

[woven fjord]

Lol that shit was dead the moment it launched imo. Great Idea but buying it from another company was a bad idea

[blissful rapids]

Sorry atlas I never got into and seemed dead

[cosmic osprey]

It’s Ark with ships. It held on until the devs refused to fix issues and eventually abandoned it. Surprised the 2 servers it has are even still online

[blissful rapids]

At the time atlas was out I believe I was on official

[woven fjord]

Did it? I tried for the first 2 hours could barely play so refunded and never went back

pretty sure it had one of the biggest failed launches tho with the most refunds

[blissful rapids]

May we please step back to the Cluster now.

Don’t need things swaying off topic

[cosmic osprey]

Well it was really big for the first 3 months. Then after that it was a smaller group of players for a few years. Now the devs fully went radio silent and abandoned it last year.

was a really cool idea. I’m sure most of the refunds were cuz the game was even more broken then ark in terms of building vs raiding.

[topaz helm]

Unpopular opinion aswell but if we are having tek then only artifacts should he in drops, id be happy with no tek saddles if ammo is annoying to farm

No tributes unless farmed

[cosmic osprey]

Unpopular because of the 100x players we have here now.
but the right opinion.

[topaz helm]

I made a suggestion on it @cosmic osprey

[grave sable]

the most real comment ever, these 100x ppl wouldnt play server cause they too lazy in a video game to farm lol

[upbeat granite]

Crazy how 100x adhd riddled kids have so much sway in server settings.

[oak stump]

It's what sells apparently or it's the majority

Clearly it works for some reason

[royal summit]

What are you referencing

Element earned from boss will be 1/2 from our regular settings

!boss

[icy dawn]

Boss stats are default/vanilla across all EliteArk servers, both ASE and ASA. The exception is for the Solo, Solo-Duo ASA servers.

Alpha bosses on ASA drop loot, with a 50% chance the loot MAY be BPs ```

**Boss Element Amounts for both ASA and ASE as follows:**

Ragnarok: 400 / 740 / 1200
Valguero: 190 / 280 / 720
Center: 270 / 535 / 960
Island Broodmother: 130 / 185 / 260
Island Monkey: 140 / 200 / 290
Island Dragon: 200 / 480 / 800
Crystal Isles: 330 / 500 / 810
Scorched Earth: 170 / 330 / 545
Aberration: 130 / 185 / 480 (ASA ONLY)

Please note: The Manticore only drops Element on SCORCHED EARTH. It drops from the other bosses instead on all other maps.

***Format:** Gamma / Beta / Alpha*

*Last Updated 17th of July 2024*

[upbeat granite]

Nothing in particular. I can admit its my own bias showing through. Just feels like people can farm way to fast but I get thats what is popular.

[royal summit]

Farming is just really easy on both arks cuz the meta’s are figured out. Even if you lower rates 5%, really won’t be that noticeable

[devout bobcat]

What’s the taming speed as I can’t see it on the announcement?

[frank glen]

Probably x10 as the other settings , everything is x10 mainly, besides xp

[blissful rapids]

@woven fjord should have banned gasbags for same time as stegos 😂 so many people just got cooked by them

It’s such a free soak I love it

[woven fjord]

I mean I did say remove extinction 🤣

[blissful rapids]

😂 just gasbags would be the main issue as for start of the first day or 2

They did on ASE

Banning them for limited time

Loving the leveling tho

Really brings back the feel

3man works rn not sure yet until larger bases

Loot quality is also another question for conquest

[woven fjord]

I didnt get to start this wipe bc im still on 5man and wanna finish out the wipe. Unless they nerf some of the advanced resources on extinction for the early game, I think should be removed personally.
But that doesnt even matter if people can pay for 90 turrets at 3 hours though.. from what Ive heard there have been lots of p2w bases within the first 6 hour mark or even sooner.

[blissful rapids]

Bruh you pushed for this and not on it? 5man can wait a day 😂

Is @cosmic osprey on it

[woven fjord]

LOL I also pushed for 4-5 man.

[blissful rapids]

Oh yeah the lootboxes should be disabled early on

Just like ASE

That’s what it was like when I played

Lootboxes, shop, kits, all disabled for like 24-48 hours

[woven fjord]

i agree.. I dont think ronnie will tho

[autumn smelt]

By 3+ hours in, our 3man tribe had well over 90 turrets and we haven't bought a thing or used a kit.

[woven fjord]

Need an exact time frame 😉 But depending on the spender... could have way more than that and tekgrams too without doing any bosses.
But if that is the case, then they may need to look into reducing some harvesting 🤷‍♂️
I cant say much as I wasnt on it to experience it though.

[short sage]

It’s not the turrets or resources

It’s bps/items

I’ve got like around 20 red loot crates and a yellow osd first day and got not even one good flask bp

Every bp was either apprentice or ramshackle

[royal summit]

Gasbags totally diff mount location on ASA right?

[royal summit]

Def some random lootbox whale bases, but doing my scan for ratholes last night… not really many bases that stood out significantly from the rest. Some people are just chads at the game

I’d really like to keep this suggestion clear for ppl who are actually playing the cluster to reflect on, it’s just more accurate that way. Rather than assuming what’s going on

[royal summit]

Did you do any OSDs?

[short sage]

yellow

[royal summit]

And what red crates? Random caves?

[short sage]

SE

swamp

[cosmic osprey]

Nope

Just not what it originally seemed it would be. For me atleast.
It’s a good start, maybe it’ll get better over time. But from where we started like 2 months ago on ideas it’s gotten far from that.

[cosmic osprey]

This is a weird statement. People have been doing this shit forever but now all of a sudden if you don’t play on this don’t comment.

Yet someone of us spent a lot of time over like 2 months coming up with ideas and changes needed and pushed to get this to be a thing at all lmao

[violet hinge]

You do realize the general rule of the suggestion tab is for each suggestion to be about the topic right? How would you be talking about the topic of the cluster if your not playing the cluster

[cosmic osprey]

Same way we talked about it before the cluster even existed…?

[royal summit]

It just wiped and the statement says that players who actually joined/played should comment on its issues, because that’s most accurate feedback. The “heavy only” “2017 ark” premise of the idea is not feasible in 2025, players are too good. I was flying around a lot yesterday 12hr into wipe… checking ratholes and highest lvl player I saw was 97 and 102, most bases with no tek.

[short sage]

naaaa this was tuff I can’t lie

[blissful rapids]

is this english, sorry most bases i am able to soak and on day 1 even prim saddle a good 150 tame was such free soak, we already raided atleast 10+ bases even with heavies

Wasnt fully understanding the wording

[short sage]

My main suggestion for this is that lootboxes gottttta get nerfed, the rarity of good bps is too high to just get many many sets of capped/overcapped armor and weapons

Out of lootboxes

I understand Ronnie gotta make his money, but with how it’s seemed, it’d take days for even a free player to get a set of 600+ bps

For flak

[blissful rapids]

loot quality for conquest should be different from normal clusters id say

special lootboxes for conquest maybe?

[short sage]

exactly what I’m suggesting, yeah

The loot quality currently is the exact same as every other cluster

Like every trading post so far in the channel is by people that obviously purchased boxes, no one who hasn’t spent money is able to trade, let alone even own stuff on par with that

[cosmic osprey]

Like I said we spent months brainstorming ideas and it was rushed at the last second. Loot and box changes should of been made before hand

[short sage]

I still gotta at least try purp osds, last thing I can think of to actually get good loot from

because even the red cave drops for me have not been it

[cosmic osprey]

Gasbags prim saddle soaking any base day 1-2.
Ext should have been voted to be in or not.
Or at the very least changes to ext stuff.

Oh wait I’m not playing rn tho can’t comment forgot

[blissful rapids]

they need to be banned as long as stegos

they are busted rn

free raids lol

[cosmic osprey]

Tried saying this

Must have ext and all it brings tho

[short sage]

tell em tatertot 🗣️

[royal summit]

Okay next round, delay gasbags too

[astral comet]

Is plateosaurus on this?

[royal summit]

nope

[oak stump]

What the hell is that? It sounds huge

It's a giant iguanadon?

[topaz helm]

idk why there is custom caves on scorch in terms of ele farm. its op asf, each ele node gives 600 ele, we keep farming like 1.6-1.8k ele a go

kinda stupid considering this is supposed to be slower paced

[royal summit]

Idk why it’s so high, can ask

[astral comet]

Will red woods be removed

And will cryo pods be removed

[cosmic osprey]

What

[astral comet]

Says its gonna be OG ark

Og ark never had red woods

[cosmic osprey]

“Og” Ark didn’t have 90% of the stuff Asa has. But they aren’t gonna do that

[astral comet]

So this cluster is a advanced version of old ark

So it's not old fashioned what's so ever because it's based of asa

[viral flame]

its conquest

[astral comet]

If yall miss og ark go play ase

Plenty of clusters on their which replicate offical

[woven fjord]

No. It's supposed to be a slower more casual type of cluster while working towards bringing back old metas and open world bases.

Did you even play on the server or do u even play on any of them?

[astral comet]

I asked 3 questions and got the answer I needed to tell it isnt truly og.

How is a slow pace server og😂

[royal summit]

there is no way to go back to "old ark". players have all the knowledge and have 10 years of experience and youtube videos to review. players are too good to fully go back in time

[astral comet]

But if you remove the little things which makes them good it can work

[cosmic osprey]

It could be more og correct

Elite stated they don’t want to do that, so take that as you will.

This is what we have

[royal summit]

like what? community is too advanced to remove even tek turrets.. bases would be evaporated instantly

[cosmic osprey]

Tek turrets can be removed very easily with nerfs to the things that make them necessary to begin with.
It’s just a matter of wanting to do it or not.

[royal summit]

bases are just too easy to wipe without tek turrets

[violet hinge]

300 heavies no teks is weaker than 50 heavies and 50 teks

Everyone would already be wiped if their weren’t tek turrets

You guys wanted a slower pace cluster, if there was no tek turrets the wipe would already be over

[woven fjord]

You can change dinos damage reduce. Mess around with turret settings. Remove extinction. Lol theres lots you could do.

[violet hinge]

We can’t not have the newest map, that’s been stated here before multiple times

No matter how strong a heavy turret it, it will not defend raids on Asa

[cosmic osprey]

With current settings yes.
Hence why there’s a list of changes that can be made to make heavies more then capable…

[cosmic osprey]

Can you elaborate on this? What part of a heavy makes it so weak and impossible to buff?

Is it ammo farm time, hp of heavy, damage it does or takes? Certain tames? Targetting? Drain time?

[cosmic osprey]

You can, you just don’t want to. Theres a difference.

Yall really be mixing the words can’t and impossible with don’t want to and didn’t too often anymore lol

“Can’t not have extinction”

list of things extinction offers

-manas op af especially early game but all wipe really with how turrets target them and just people wiping spawns with them.
-velos which are currently broken
-gasbags op af early game and very strong soakers late game
-titans full of exploits
-meks, ok for clearing spam but also have exploits
-horrible map as far as base spots go ESPECIALLY without custom cave building and ratholes
-meta farming methods for a few things thus speeding up early game and entire wipe
-map full of mesh holes,death barrier exploits, no sky border,invisible tp zones etc etc
-osds are cancer with not having owt cuz if you follow the rules your at a disadvantage the the overwhelming out of people who don’t and place turrets at them.

But yes great map gotta have it

[royal summit]

are you playing the wipe @cosmic osprey ?

[cosmic osprey]

Oh whoops forgot can’t comment here not playing this server atm my bad

[royal summit]

trying to gauge where these assumptions are coming from

[cosmic osprey]

What assumptions. Those are all facts. I was genuinely trying to have a convo with you about tek turrets since you keep bringing it up

[royal summit]

It's going very well and tbh first 48h or so, progress was slow for tribes. so im wondering why you think its so OP

[cosmic osprey]

For normal clusters no absolutely ext really isn’t that bad.
For this one specifically everything I just listed is a problem for what I thought the idea was for this server.

[royal summit]

Your opinion is always noted, even if we disagree

[cosmic osprey]

Like do you not agree with atleast most of what I just listed? Is the list of positives anywhere near the same?

I understand it’s a new map and some people want to play it. I just really think it does more bad than good for this cluster. But I don’t know all the back end numbers so I can admit I can’t speak on what players spend what time on what maps

And also not saying this cluster is bad or horrible or totally wrong by any means.
Just speaking in terms of improving it is all.

[woven fjord]

Wait wait wait. Are YOU playing the wipe? No? Oh too bad. Guess you shouldn't comment either.🤣 can't gauge community opinion if you're against every idea.

[royal summit]

I see more than any player lol

i wouldnt ask "are you playing the cluster" if your imput on the landscape of wipe seemed accurate. Some of the stuff you guys say makes it obvious you aren't playing, hense the question.

[viral flame]

Half of what tater says is wrong and thats coming from someone who plays ext a lot

[cosmic osprey]

Can you be more specific, instead of just saying I’m wrong can you explain what parts are wrong and why?

That’s how to have an intelligent conversation. Which rarely gets done here.

[viral flame]

I dont have to answer to you. You are no one of importance

[cosmic osprey]

Ok so you contributed absolutely nothing here and look like a fool. Thanks for your valuable input.

[viral flame]

Just like you

[cosmic osprey]

👍🏻

[vagrant zealot]

wheres all the conquest players at?? 146 likes and pop is okay but cmon boys if another map comes out got to cap that beginner

very good concept and cant lose this

[topaz helm]

i think the last update messed alot of ppl up @vagrant zealot ppl complaining about fps and crashing in elite disc and ark official disc

i think the game isnt playable for most atm, im completely fine but idk what other ppl are doing

[cosmic osprey]

The 146 likes were for something that’s quite a bit different that what this is currently. In my opinion.

[vagrant zealot]

@cosmic osprey @topaz helm sense you guys were the orginal creators of this if you wanted to add ideas for the cluster of conquest i think i would either make a new suggestion or try a fit it in here but it might be best to do a new one. Lets never have tek suits on conquest tho lol, love the flak pvp

[topaz helm]

they didnt really listen to the suggestion, just copied conq on official but its a good start @vagrant zealot

[cosmic osprey]

there’s like 3 people here who can have an actual conversation without flaming or being an idiot or something.

Other wise it’s like the idiot a few messages up that says I’m wrong about anything but can’t state what I’m wrong about.

Or just admins saying that won’t happen.

We spent alot of time before this ever happened discussing setttings making lists etc etc and a lot of it went out the window. Hard to do it again without a clear direction from ea admins on how they wanna take it.

[vagrant zealot]

Yep best part about suggestions is it a suggestion, everyone gets an opinion, we try and moderate what being said but there’s a million suggestions and this is a huge discord and only a few of us on at a time usually. But anyways what else are we thinking here cause I think we have gold. For the first launch of this idea I say it went well, one of my suggestions are pushing loot boxes and discord credits shop back to being not buyable til the 24hour mark.

[vagrant zealot]

It is a solid start, they’re taking chance here, ultimately Ronnie’s decision.

[cosmic osprey]

I’d say the bigger things is they need to be modified for this server more so then the delay

But not sure if Ronnie is willing to make seperate boxes for one cluster

[oak stump]

We need more weight tbh

[gray leaf]

In substitution of tek suits, add the sinomacrops mod

[viral flame]

TaterTot still crying I see

his only skill

The thing that kills servers the most is releasing more servers. Most people are just fresh wipe hoppers.

[vagrant zealot]

But it’s not, if anything it’s giving more pop back after awhile, it’s not like they release beginners daily so everyone can expect it, there randomly dropped

[woven fjord]

Thats why both Tater and I are pushing for reduced clusters on EA and less beginner servers on each cluster.

[woven fjord]

The problem is.. if thats what it takes to bring pop back... something needs to change.. idk if it was the update but Center6 for 5man went from 80 to 5 players in 3 days

[viral flame]

I am always on the side of finding ways to keep servers alive over making new ones trying to bring people back

[cerulean mauve]

People mostly don't come back. Only some of them do, but if you want to keep pop alive, you need to make raiding harder, which is quite unpopular idea, since the raiding is already hard on standard cluster.

But if you see many people with massive bases and lines, you quite often dont feel like starting from 0.

[cosmic osprey]

Who’s crying? Not even being funny do you actually have something wrong with you?

Did I hit a soft spot when I said get rid of extinction?

[violet hinge]

Keep it friendly, comments about someone “crying” or this or that are not allowed in suggestions. This is a place meant for you all to discuss and IMPROVE the experience not just for you’re selves but others. Stay on topic and be friendly

[cosmic osprey]

Gladly as I always do. Just thrown off by this random coming in here twice @ me for no reason lmao.

[cosmic osprey]

Yeah raiding harder vs easier is a pretty touch subject. And hard to get it right.
Most people probabaly say raiding is too hard.
But if it can take weeks to build and hours to wipe is it really that hard lol or just more hard than you want it to be cuz you want that little adrenaline rush of breaking in.

[viral flame]

Huh? I also said extinction needs to go.

[cosmic osprey]

Then what are you so upset about?

Oh wait forgot you aren’t willing to have a real conversation. My bad

[viral flame]

I have been. Please keep it friendly.

[tender flint]

It may be a unpopular opinion but i think 3man limited tek should come back and conquest should go to 5 man . Lower rate slower build up and more likely for somebody to be online for raid defence being out in the open with only 3 people is terrible . Most 3 man teams imo are typically online together with 5 man you could go 3 and 2 and have people on most of the time . People can say what they want but most bases get wiped and people quit because of the frustration of getting offlined

And everybody offline raids mostly because its easier

[grave sable]

Sounds like you got wiped on conquest despite there being legit 20 bases per map still standing despite the low pop. Raiding is honestly really hard/ not worth the effort cause of how op tek turrets r and how easy they are to cap w ammo. And yes offline raids happen but that’s never going away and realistically never should go away

[tender flint]

Is rounds a insult?

[grave sable]

lol

Sounds* obviously

[tender flint]

Idk man i fly around looking and see a bunch of blow up wrecks with ramps built up to them

[blissful rapids]

Lol prob my ramps

[near widget]

Damn so this didn’t end up working out?

[wind badge]

We can always make changes to it going forward not like we are just gonna throw our hands up and give up just because some things need tweaking.

It was the first trial run of an idea that has never been done before on asa.

[fickle frost]

We knew going into it that things would need to be tweaked. We know a lot of things that definitely need to be tweaked moving forward, and the other stuff we look for suggestions and polling.

[viral flame]

Something I thought was maybe less XP grinding required for you and dinos. Imo XP grinds are one of the more hated aspects of gaming.

[cosmic osprey]

One of the main focuses of this server was a slower paced, longer wipe server….
Did you read any of this suggestion?

[violet hinge]

Well longer wipes is kinda hard when no one can build in a hole or a cave

I tried to start on there and got off lined by a gasbag

[cosmic osprey]

Ya was the goal. Sadly didn’t work out this time haha. Hopefully next time we can get a lot more changes and see improvement

[violet hinge]

Maybe but really the only way I personally see a server like this lasting longer would be removing all raiding Dinos for the first 5 days or something like that

At the end of the day you are so exposed

But then the problem is, with tek turrets and no tek counters you become unraidable

The second you do boss ur not getting wiped

But if you don’t do boss ur off the map with no in between

[cosmic osprey]

We just need to try some drastic imo. Even if it don’t work try it.

Either ya like that removing a lot of raid tames for a bit or remove tek turrets totally (with other changes)

I would think a lot of the ppl playing this aren’t the type who want a quick raid and jump to another server after 12 hours like the normal cluster. So you can do some different stuff

[violet hinge]

Late game raiding also needs to be possible

Make remove tek turret but also remove the ability to mount stegos? Disable golems titans gasbags?

[cosmic osprey]

Golems disabled or huge nerf for sure. Don’t even see a ton of people use them on normal
Cluster tbh.
Stegos would need a big nerf but I probably wouldn’t remove them. Just nerf resistance a lot. (Will take fine tuning to find the right #)
id be fine with removing gasbags and titans or even ext as a whole lmao.
Titans have no business here in general but gasbags could just be nerfed with stegos

[violet hinge]

There is a way to make them no rideable

So you could just have stegos not rideable which would make raiding with them still hard but also easy to counter because they aren’t on a stego you can’t damage them

I know you want extinction gone and while I do agree it would be better. We have all been told at the current time that won’t happen

[cosmic osprey]

I’m fine with letting it stay. Just more work for them tbh cuz there’s a ton of changes that need to be done to ext tames now instead of removing the whole map. But either can work with the right changes

We’ve experimented with this wipe and saw how fast it goes.

Now why not experiment in the other direction and make things very slow paced and see how that plays out. Worst case is this happens again and next wipe you meet in the middle

[violet hinge]

Saying what will and won’t happen is where it starts to get out of my pay grade but I do know staff are passionate about this cluster because the PvP is way more fun

[cosmic osprey]

That’s good. Hopefully we see massive changes next go around and then it’s just fine tuning from there

[viral flame]

Its not really making the server last longer. Just causes loads of people to get wiped because they cant get heavies up.

[cosmic osprey]

Well that was the idea. However didn’t happen due to many reasons.
I for one don’t care what the character xp rate is.
But definitely want the tame xp rate slower compared to normal
Cluster

[viral flame]

Well I really just meant player xp

[stoic verge]

Not necessarily because with rates that slow most people once they have been hit will just be done with the server as with higher rates it's not as much effort or pain to just start back up and try again

[cosmic osprey]

People don’t start back up again even on the 15x normal cluster. Tbey quit and go to newer cluster.

[blissful rapids]

indeed, biggest things i would say is the dino lvling, and gasbags banned for 48 hours and maybe titans not being tameable or a ban on them for wipe start

[supple marlin]

Ban soakers like gasbags and stego Golem for 72h even. Not every tribe is able to Do boss withon 48 hours

Within

[cosmic osprey]

I agree I think longer ban on soakers.
More people quit because they get wiped over people who quit because they can’t soak.

[supple marlin]

I mean i saw tribes raiding a lot of Bases at 1 day or maybe begin of 2nd day and crying over low Pop after 7 days. Maybe even lift up the XP gain from your char, so you can get heavies within the first day. Auto are just runnable if you Loot some riot gear out of yellow Drops. Not even talking about the bps you can buy

[topaz helm]

hopefully the new revamped conq comes soon

[oak stump]

Yessir I'm counting on it

[cosmic osprey]

Think he’s doing limited tek next sadly. Thats what other staff said atleast

[wind badge]

People love their caves and ratholes.

[cosmic osprey]

Sad way to live

Gotta get out and touch those land bases while ur touching that grass

[oak stump]

Well asteros is a great map for that the caves are shit so who tf gonna build in them and there's only 5 or so ratholes

[cosmic osprey]

@topaz helm do you feel the first season of conquest was very close to the original idea and what was asked or it was pretty different from that.

[topaz helm]

tbh it was pretty different but honestly i quite liked it but for ppl who arent competitive they just get raided

[cosmic osprey]

Ok just wanted to see if I had a weird point of view or something lol cuz Ronnie said it was 95% of what was wanted.

[woven fjord]

Unfortunate. 100% need to balance Conquest before swapping it. Should go 1 more run with the suggestions made for 3man to give a good run, bring back 3man LT and then try 2,4,5 man conquest

[cosmic osprey]

Ya also Ronnie said he made conquest 95% of what we wanted.
Which I don’t think is even remotely close.
But if that’s how he feels I think a lot of our ideas of what we thought it would be are just way off and won’t happen.
I see it going back to limited tek permanently probably sadly

[woven fjord]

Yeah very unfortunate tbh.
I'd say 65% at most. Ignoring the thought of removing extinction was a bad call

[sullen granite]

Here is my take on it if anyone cares. People don’t want to spend the time grinding like they would on ase. 1. We are all older now and don’t have as much time to play. I feel this is quite true because the amount of new people coming to ASA is quite low. It’s really just the og mfs still trying to have fun. Open world PVP is huge on ASA much more than I’ve ever seen on ase rates are high and it isn’t the end of the world if you lose 2-3 tames and a fat kit if you go out. On ase everyone just ran the second they knew they had a disadvantage. Personally I would love to have the time to play a slower grindier cluster but I don’t think many people do. I’m sure 60% of the players in this discord could not dedicate the first 3 days of wipe to playing 10-12 hrs a day it just isn’t happening anymore. Which brings in the few younger or jobless people than can and they get way ahead. It was a fun idea but I just don’t think it’s possible with the now older player base

[grave sable]

mostly og players he says 😂

[woven fjord]

I completely disagree. You literally make it sound like the older community just want the early pvp and that's it.. which isn't true.

[upbeat granite]

It was still 10x. Hardly a grind tbh. The issue with conquest was 80% of the servers were vanilla and then there was extinction, crazy power creep map. Those who ground away on extinction were infinitely more set up than anyone else. Putting in extinction because it "was a new map, we have to" was a massive mistake.

[fickle frost]

not including ext would be a massive mistake and people will get bored

[cosmic osprey]

Ext can stay with the proper adjustments. But it would be a few things need changing

[cosmic osprey]

Early PvP was cool…. For a few months.
Now that’s all we’ve had for over a year.
Some steady late game PvP,fobs etc would be cool now.
Not having to restart everytime right when you reach good muts and a good line up of bps and lines

[upbeat granite]

The issue was it had no adjusments. I couldnt fly past a base without it being gas bag raided day 1 lol. And the base spots on that map were egregiously OP.

[blissful rapids]

Yes gasbags will be banned for 48 hours maybe on next conquest start

[blissful rapids]

Like our spot however it is raidable for sure

Due to cannons being enabled

Which allows any base to be raidable even when offline

[upbeat granite]

We had that base spot on southwest corner on extinction over the cliff side right next to death barrier. Was not raidable. Couldnt be cannoned, could hardly be soaked. It took my tek gen running out element to be raided. Only did that when the map had like 4 pop lol. I took my element out and logged back in a week later to it finally being wiped

[blissful rapids]

Oh yeah for sure we still kicking it 😂

However edges of ext shouldn’t be built on for conquest

Like king plat is ok

But not the border side hugging the red lights

[upbeat granite]

I agree. We got raided constantly over a few days and each person packed up the moment we tossed their stego into the death barrier with a karky lol

[blissful rapids]

Along with titans being disabled or banned for x time

Due to day 1 you can get forest titan and slap a base

😂

[upbeat granite]

To raid our base you had to take constant heat stroke AND barrier damage. Enjoy drinking 10 med brews every 15 seconds lol for 6+ hours. LOL

[blissful rapids]

Yeah unless they ran gene

Or otter

Armadillo

🐕

[upbeat granite]

Still take barrier damage. Not avoidable which is like 30 damage per second

[blissful rapids]

So definitely things need to be worked on

Maybe custom base spots too like plateaus and pillars

[upbeat granite]

The one bonus was a lot more people were actually raiding which was a nice thing to see

[blissful rapids]

Yea indeed

The tames do need more lvls tho

Only getting 53lvls took some issue for some tribes

[cosmic osprey]

Conquest would be the most active server between raiding and PvP.
Just need way to slow it down some which delays on some soakers and titans would help a lot to start

[blissful rapids]

Mainly the only soakers people was using was gasbags and people were not farming enough ammo, plus could use some more base spots, and idk how people didn’t do bosses

However I don’t think it will be the longest ran cluster, limited Tek definitely still holds longest

[molten apex]

i whole heartedly people will play a hardcore cluster, howevr it should not be conquest, rather a vanilla plus cluster, with tools similar to a server that ran ase in its prime which name i shall not say, caves need to be allowed, rathole need to be allowed (with exceptions obv), they allow tribes to progress and keep people in the game longer, it is something that no cluster has tried to replicate for a while, people need to grind for bps, grind for levels, and get rewarded for doing so, part of the fun is grinding for bps and having an advantage over other tribes, all cluster now do the same thing fast paced wipe, everyone has insta capped and pay to win, dono should be blocked for 2-3 days, except points and vip memberships, plus whitelist if its a thing on asa, i understand it needs to be profitable but i beleive its doable, and if pop retains long enough donos will be open. It sets apart from smalls because it wipes fresh and gives everyone a chance, no 1500% melee gigas and 100k hp carbos. I believe that if done correctly it can be very successful, it should likely be 4-5 man as it seems that is the recipe for high pop, many tribes with different base spots have 5 members i mean 14 tribes on a server is 70 players, on some maps it is easy for big tribes to stay afloat, especially with edits. What makes early game PvP enjoyable is not old school Ark, but rather the difficulty and slow progression, of the game. Prolonging early game by making it harder to advance to tek makes the game more fun (In my opinion), but the key is to make it enjoyable so more casual players enjoy it to, hence QOL and slightly boosted rates

Tribe Limit:
-5man (4-6 Hour Cooldown)

Rates:
-5x Harvest (10x Weekend)
-5x Experience (10x Weekend)
-5x Taming (10x Weekend)
-5x Breeding (7.5x Weekend)
-5x Dino Experience (10x Weekend)
-100% imprint

Player Stats:
1.5x Weight
1x Health
1x Oxygen
5x Fortitude
0.5x Melee

QOL Mods:
-Omni Tool
-CS (No refining forges)
-Cave Edits (No Element Caves)
-Pelayori Crypods
-Awesome Spyglass
-Shop Mod (Kibble, Boss Tributes and Artifacts only)

Temp Ban Day 1:
-Stegos
-Manas
-Carchar
-Pyromanes
-Gasbags

Temp Ban Day 7:
-Titans

Dino Changes: 2 Dinos of Season Herbivore and Carnivore

-Spinos 2x Dmg
-Reaper 1.5x Dmg
-Rhino 2x Dmg
-Theri 1.5 Dmg

-Carbo 1.3 Resistance
-Stegos 1.2 Resistance
-Trike 1.5 Resistance
-Racer 1.5 Resistance
-Reaper 1.15 Resistance
-Theri 1.10 Resistance
-Pyromanes 0.7 Resistance

Custom Spawns:
-Increase Spawns of Maeguanas, Manas

@fickle frost what u think

[wind badge]

Don't ping Ronnie please.

[blissful rapids]

Need Gasbags day 1 ban if it was to work, possibly, note ASE: some tames in start are banned, this allows longer seasons for sure as most are built to a good lvl by the time people come to raid. However a difference is, not having to do a boss for engrams

[sullen granite]

Valid Ronnie ping ngl

Personally I would play what he suggested sounds fun

[cosmic osprey]

I would be down to try anything in regards to a slower old school style server. Whether it’s this or conquest or what be it.

However with a slower paced server like 5x I think you need more than a 1 day ban on good soakers like stegos and gasbags.

Most people don’t play a ton and they’ll 100% get wiped day 1-2 with those 2 soakers.

Thats what killed this conquest was slower rates and people not as active getting wiped super early.
And not wanting to rebuild cuz other clusters starting new everyday.

[molten apex]

fixed

[molten apex]

yea u could be right we could def do a 48 hour ban

[blissful rapids]

Double check the xp gain for players and Dino’s

They should be seperate amounts

So Dino’s get more than players obviously so they can have more than 30k hp due to lvls

That’s was another issue

[wind badge]

Impossible to do.

[oak stump]

I could have sworn that was possible? Since they are two Separate entities one is literally Ai and other is the player I feel like there should definitely be separate settings for each

[wind badge]

Its either everything gets boosted xp or nothing does.

I would much rather have boosted xp

And be able to raid people

[molten apex]

i think it a good recipe

perhaps do a test trial, see how the community responds, myb a large scale poll, or use some of the servers that are going to rewipe and do like only 3 servers

[blissful rapids]

Yeah I wasn’t sure if it was or not

[molten apex]

@wind badge what u think?

[oak stump]

Damn that sucks, absolutely terrible system on WC part but it makes sense now when I see fiber crafts and shit like that they always have the same settings cause ya can't change em

[blissful rapids]

Yeah ase it was seperate I’m pretty sure

[oak stump]

That's what I thought, but back on ase they actually cared about the game

[blissful rapids]

Lol

Did they really

[oak stump]

Now they just want money

[oak stump]

Ehhhh I'd say more then asa at least

In the early stages of ase especially

[blissful rapids]

Yea early

[oak stump]

Indeed, I fear for the future of asa

[cosmic osprey]

So is this running back right away or is limited tek going now?

[violet hinge]

It’ll be announced soon

Could he neither !!!!!

Hit the suggestions Boys!

[cosmic osprey]

16 suggestions going about conquest cba to make another unless it’s Happening for sure

[blissful rapids]

There is too many seperate conquest suggestions, need to file it down to one for the revamp

Much easier

However if tek turrets are enabled, tek saddles (only primitive) should be enabled

Prim only so it’s not a 150k hp rex walking around with 200 armor

@cosmic osprey how’s does that sound

[cosmic osprey]

That’s fair I guess. Considering it seems like they have no intrest in pursuing removing tek turrets so makes sense

[blissful rapids]

This allows for you to not fully cheese bases, as you still will need to soak some