#Offseason Talk

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pliant prism
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Jose Alvarado is ass unfortunately šŸ˜¢

restive barn
kind socket
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Horst I'm begging you, PLEASE make one of these happen before the season starts

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kind socket
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Or if Horst could pull this off, but I feel like it'd be a longshot.

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chrome knoll
steady swift
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Cole is getting bought out most likely

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We wonā€™t have to use any assets on him

chrome knoll
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I'm 100% okay with that

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think they would give us GG for ajax

steady swift
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Memphis known for having a serious analytics department šŸ’” I highly doubt it

chrome knoll
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those jerks

floral flume
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serious analytics department, ik for MLB I saw a chart

steady swift
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every team uses stats to a certain degree, but some more than others

floral flume
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The bucks to my knowledge never posted an internship spot for analytics this season, they did hire for some upper level positions

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baseball seems to hire/look for it the most

weak sierra
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Baseball is one of those sports where the numbers get sooo sooo granular about everything

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That fantasy baseball rabbit hole is DEEP

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i cant even imagine the shit they look at with scouting

floral flume
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only this summer I started looking at baseball

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its intense

weak sierra
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With daily lineups you can get so deep into pitching matchups, home away splits, day/night, blah blah blah

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I remember my league getting so pissed at me in like 2008 because I moneyballed the scoring system

floral flume
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I came across a project where they simulated the position of the sun vs the ball flight path

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what does that even mean idk

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they made it because one player dropped an easy catch since the sun was in his eyes..

weak sierra
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That stuff also wreaks havoc on hitters if the ball goes from light to shadow

barren relic
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And how our glass windows, allows sun and shadows between the pitchers mound and batters.

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I haven't heard them mention it lately.
But it used to b talked about frequently

floral flume
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but knowing baseball, someones already done it

chrome knoll
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Did Nigel Hayes get a deal?

finite coyote
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yea

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he got signed

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suns

chrome knoll
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Damn

kind socket
kind socket
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ope meant to post this in #šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦ā”‚general. oh well.

steady swift
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back to reality

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finite coyote
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im ok with it

steady swift
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I wouldnā€™t mind it, especially if no picks are involved

finite coyote
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we dont have any picks to involve

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right?

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(besides 31)

loud geode
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"back to reality" PatLUL

finite coyote
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ope

loud geode
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xxo has been subsumed by the fanspo matrix

finite coyote
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there goes gravity

loud geode
finite coyote
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should i do a midwest accent version of that song

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OPE DER GOES DA GRAVITY

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FINE

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you are no fun

quaint anvil
finite coyote
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i know

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but he aint usin that accent

quaint anvil
steady swift
steady swift
finite coyote
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right

kind socket
# steady swift back to reality

I'm not sure why the Kings would do this without at least an SRP. Whoever is willing to take Kuzma is either going to get picks or unload a bad contract of their own. Before you ask, I don't think Malik Monk is a bad contract.

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I really Wiggins is a very realistic player we could get with this package. In fact, we may be able to get an SRP out of this too.

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He's practically the same age as Giannis as well

steady swift
kind socket
steady swift
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a lot of questionable shooters on that team

kind socket
barren relic
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If Kings were smart.
They would trade everyone they have, and do the okc plan.

loud geode
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If the Kings were smart, they wouldn't be the Kings.

fallow flare
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Send Utah or OKC our 31 first for 3 others like the suns did, take those 3 and 32 swap rights and send 1 of 4 to sac and the other 3 to the Pels

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A guy can dream right

kind socket
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Probably our best Kuzma-centric trade package we can offer for probably the best player we could get for it.

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chrome knoll
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over pay at that point

hushed marsh
chrome knoll
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are you including every single pick we own and giving that partial ownership of the team?

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they block our number

floral flume
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yea I think he assumes with all our picks

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but I swear weve posted every iteration of a Murphy deal already

hushed marsh
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we dont need to put in my goat aj

chrome knoll
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he can still be your goat in nola

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get zion's life sorted

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and lead them to greatness

floral flume
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honestly hed be good there too

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Poole AJ Herb Zion Yves

hushed marsh
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nooooo šŸ’”

steady swift
tawdry dome
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Okay Iā€™ve given it some thought and decided: I am okay with a Kuminga sign and trade assuming weā€™re not giving up a whole first for it, one pick swap + Kuz and Ajax

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Heā€™s not a natural SF, but he does shoot most of his threes above the break

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And one could bet that his 2024 shooting numbers are more representative than his 2025 numbers

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Iā€™m on his side more and more with his grievances with GS, it cuts into a guyā€™s confidence when you reduce his minutes in a contract year

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And Doc is good at smoothing that shit out

steady swift
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I highly doubt Kuminga is going anywhere at this point

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Maybe the convo gets revisited at the trade deadline when heā€™s signed to a reasonable contract

barren relic
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Kuminga will need a contract extension, right away.

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Thats a big concern

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If he takes a reasonable offer, then great. Go snag him

tawdry dome
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A sign and trade assumes that weā€™re giving him a contract as part of the trade

barren relic
kind socket
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Kuminga to the Kings for DeMar DeRozan

tawdry dome
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God itā€™s already a retirement home in Golden State and that would make it so much worse

fallow flare
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MKE out: Kuzma/Ajax/31 unprotected/32 swap/Secondary swap on 30 1st
SAC out: Derozan/Carter/4 2nds
Warriors out: Kuminga S&T
NOLA out: Trey Murphy

MKE in: Trey Murphy
SAC in: Kuminga
Warriors in: Kuzma/Carter/2 2nds
NOLA in: Derozan/Ajax/31 unprotected/32 swap best/2 2nds/Secondary swap rights on 30 1st

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Think maybe the warriors need more here to take on Kuzma but otherwise this feels fair for the other 3 teams

steady swift
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this would be awesome https://fixupx.com/blange00/status/1943856800790413793?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

SUKUTABYYYKE šŸ™šŸ¼ (@blange00)

I think this is the move to make šŸ§
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ļø€ļø€We get 3 wings, which we need badly + we get off Kuzmaā€™s deal & save $3M
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ļø€ļø€Mavs get a Kyrie replacement for the year in Monk + early 2nd from SAC

**šŸ’¬ 4ā€‚ā¤ļø 12ā€‚šŸ‘ļø 1.3Kā€‚**

FixupX Ā·
finite coyote
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omax?

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hmmm

steady swift
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Depending on what Cole Anthony gets, Omax fits right into the remaining money of our room exception. And Mavs are trying to get rid of him

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Daqa has had that theory for a minute now

barren relic
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Kings need more,
But I think this is reasonable

ripe zenith
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I'm not really keen on moving 2032 for role players, even if it's just a swap. Mostly just because I think they can do better

floral flume
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Same

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I don't think Caleb or Naji move the needle enough for me, I'd rather wait with Kuzma till he's expiring then take this

steady swift
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I think Naji would be very helpful, and more attainable than most of the names we discuss. But if the pelicans go sideways you never know who will be available

floral flume
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they be helpful but they arent taking us to the next level, and after you trade for them the only way to gather the salary to make a splash next year is Portis Naji and Caleb..so if you wanted to make a splash they wouldnt even last that long

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and the "Kings are always bad" is not a right excuse they still are giving one of our rare assets

steady swift
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I feel like flipping Kuzma/Ajax for Naji is fine, because then you can use Naji as salary in future trades and he has more value than Kuzma. I guess it depends on using the 2032 or not

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this is the version I made a few days ago, but probably a hard pill to swallow if you want to save the 2032

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Naji also makes so little money, I can see why people would want multiple players in return

floral flume
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Naji is expiring next year so what do you think he'd sign for, he seems like a close to MLE guy, 9-15 anywhere between

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either way with this deal or not imo the teams need to make another large acquisition to compete, so its just how do you think they prop themselves up best for that

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Kuzma Portis 31 32 33, Caleb Naji S&T Portis 31 32 33

steady swift
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Really wonder what level of player it would take to trade Bobby

floral flume
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I mean I almost feel you have to include him to get a real difference maker

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you can basically trade for max level guys atp

steady swift
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Definitely fair heā€™s just a perfect backup for Giannis, youā€™d have to find someone else for that role

barren relic
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if theres some 2 for 1 trade in the future, with kak + bp,
theres only 2 guys getting paid in the 30s, that are slightly attainable.
michael porter 38$m and quickely 32$m

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kak + ajax is 25$m
27 to 22.8 tobias, collins, claxton, murphy, bridges, other bridges, demar, hunter, Agordon

hushed marsh
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mpj šŸ˜­

kind socket
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I don't think we're trading BP. If anything, we'll be trading Kuzma, AJ Green, and/or one of the guys we signed to a minimum.

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I still desperately want Wiggins, and I do think we could get him despite all the evidence to the contrary. Otherwise I'd settle for RJ Barrett, and I don't think it's realistic but I'd love Tre Murphy. Mikal Bridges could be an interesting get if he's available, but I don't think the Knicks would give him up after trading so many FRPs for him.

sturdy lake
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I really just hate Mikalā€™s game

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Soooo many tough twos

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If he could cut down on that a bit, Iā€™d love him

hushed marsh
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also doesn't Wiggins have a TERRIBLE contract

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like 35m/year

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somehow we have to match salaries with that

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kuz and two guys on a minimum even i don't think will cut it

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you'd probably have to do kuz/BP for wigs just for salary purposes

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nevermind I'm a dumbass

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he's 26m/year

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idk who I was thinking about šŸ˜­

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I was so confident too mb

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I really don't wanna give up AJ green

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I would kind of understand trey Murphy

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but that's it

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if another team asks for ajg in some other trade unless Jon horst pulls the most wild shit out of his ass I hope he just pulls the plug on em

hushed marsh
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we have a good roster already though

reef sail
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Still no moves damn are we not at least signing a legit sf

floral flume
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we dont really have spots left

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good thing kuz and Tp are legit small forwards

hushed marsh
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good thing both of them are on the bench.

hushed marsh
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especially with there not being any big sf threats in the east

floral flume
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its never bad to have good wings

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its the rarest position group

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and there are good wings across the entire league, you play western conf teams a lot during the reg szn

reef sail
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Isn't kuz mainly a pf

floral flume
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big wing same thing

hushed marsh
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I liked how van said it

chrome knoll
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this plus cut Ajax

lost olive
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pass

hushed marsh
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1 youre evil

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2 the lakers say no

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and horst isn't making this move lmfao

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and ajax isnt THAT BAD the problem is he started 43

chrome knoll
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Yeah, we probably have to throw a frp in to get it done

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idealy we would flip rui or maxi into something else

hushed marsh
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bruh

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not worth it.

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maybe if you put in ajax instead of ajg

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the lakers would want a guy like ajax more anyways

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they have ar15 and luka and probably a bunch of other shooters I'm forgetting

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they need a hustle guy

chrome knoll
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aj green hustles.

hushed marsh
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yes but like

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ajax is athletic

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and faster than aj

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plus his energy is valuable

ripe zenith
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No way Iā€™m trading AJG for a guy who might be as good as him in a year or three

steady swift
chrome knoll
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its definitely a gamble trade, but I could see knecht being a playable starting 3 and having rui behind giannis instead of kuz makes me happy.

hushed marsh
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Bad trade for us and they love knecht I think

floral flume
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I do NOT think they love Knecht

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The only reason he's on the team rn is the Mark deal fell through

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And now they r signing Smart

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If we r trading Kuz I want a bigger piece then Rui

ripe zenith
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JJ doesnā€™t really care for Knecht, my Lakers counterparts have told me

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Iā€™m sure heā€™ll be trade fodder again soon

hushed marsh
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and I can only see him getting traded packaged with kuz

steady swift
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The lakers are trading him asap

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https://fixupx.com/fullcourtpass/status/1946955808467546412?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

Fullcourtpass (@Fullcourtpass)

The Lakers are working on a ā€œconsolidation tradeā€ that would likely involve Dalton Knecht and Maxi Kleber, per @AnthonyIrwinLA
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ļø€ļø€The Lakers can not sign Marcus Smart to the BAE even after waiving Shake Miltonā€¦ another move is coming

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FixupX Ā·
chrome knoll
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I don't trust summer league stats, and I can honestly say I didn't watch a single minute of lakers summer league

hard charm
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i only watched the lakers summer league cus they went against mavs and flagg

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i thought dalton was good

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like didnt he have some good games in the regular season

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hes an older player but idk why the lakers dont want him or smth

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older as in coming into the league

weak sierra
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He shot like ASS in summer league 28% from the field and 23% from three.

steady swift
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Sam Vecenie saying the price for Trey Murphy is ā€œastronomicalā€ and that ā€œthe Pelicans know what they haveā€ with him hmm

floral flume
steady swift
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Brett Siegel came up with this framework. Now imagine itā€™s Kuzma/Ajax instead of Rozier/Highsmith šŸ¤“

chrome knoll
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Canā€™t imagine any team will touch Terry

left grotto
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Do we hate Kuzma enough to trade him for Simons

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Obvs positionally it doesn't make sense

loud geode
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Doesn't make sense for the Celtics either.

chrome knoll
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kuz is going to average 16/5/3/1.5 in 25 mpg and BE GREAT for us this year

left grotto
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I think they save money but not sure if it's enough

loud geode
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Yeah, it's not exactly a small contract.

chrome knoll
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šŸ˜‚

steady swift
hushed marsh
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hes a -.96 LeBron

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whatever that means

floral flume
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LEBRON pretty much is just a wide encompassing "player rating" it stand for
Luck Adjusted
Estimate using a
Box Prior
Regularized
On-Off

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Do with that as you will

ripe zenith
floral flume
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oh yea I dont think im comfortable trading one of the firsts for him unless it comes with more in a larger deal...doesnt mean I dont generally want him

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I want 1/4 of the league

ripe zenith
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Yeah heā€™d be a nice fit at the 3 next to Giannis if they had some big time offensive firepower in the backcourt

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Iā€™m sure Dallas wants to keep him and would only move him in the right deal

floral flume
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yep

steady swift
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Naji is already coming off the bench, Iā€™m sure Dallas will listen to offers, we can also help them dodge the tax but idk if they care

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but obviously not a salary dump situation or anything

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save us Nico šŸ™šŸ¾

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ripe zenith
ripe zenith
steady swift
steady swift
ripe zenith
# steady swift fanspo says October 8 but idk why

Generally, any free agent who signs in the off-season is ineligible to be traded until December 15. There are exceptions, but thatā€™s typically only if they rejoin the team they had just played for.

barren relic
chrome knoll
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AJ Rollins Kuz and both firsts

hushed marsh
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oh god no

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rollins and aj?

barren relic
steady swift
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mid season trade šŸ¤«

Rockets get: Jrue
Mavs get: Tari Eason
Blazers get: FVV, Phoenixā€™s 2027 frp
Bucks get: Naji
Nets get: Kuzma, Okogie, picks

chrome knoll
steady swift
fallow vale
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e

steady swift
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Keep Ajax for this specific purpose

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left grotto
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I respect the commitment but IDK why Mavs would do that lol

finite coyote
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use this

chrome knoll
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Happy off season @kind socket

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I look forward to reading your ideas

kind socket
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Thank you

chrome knoll
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Dort young and mathurin interest me the most

hushed marsh
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dort would be nice for our defense

chrome knoll
barren relic
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first issue.
we only have the MLE/14$m to give

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IF, KPJ takes his Players Option, then we'l have all of that to give someone

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OD, has a Qualifying Offer.

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IDK, if we can rescind that and offer him a regular contract.

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otherwise thats at 9$m+

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KPJ.
RR. AJG. GTJ. GH
OD. KUZ. TP. MVPETE
G. BP. TA
MT. SIMS
2026 FRP

team is already full.

chrome knoll
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You really think ous gets 9 or is he required to be offered that much

barren relic
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was the 11th pick in 2022.
so, "I THINK" its on that picks selection scale of $ increase.

chrome knoll
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Surely after his first contract you can give him whatever you want

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I am way less in on him if we need to pay him 9

barren relic
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wev seen teams, cancel the QO for players and then give them a 2 or 3 year deal, at less $ per year

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but OD would have to agree to that, and NOT want to test the FA market

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double butt,
idk if we have bird rights or allowed to sign him on a regular contract, without the MLE

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@hexed compass do u know this scenario ?

chrome knoll
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Does his agent owe us any favors? Please have Harrisā€™ agent

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Or Coffey

barren relic
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so, seemingly, hes on his rookie contract.

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Agent(s): Michael Tellem

hexed compass
barren relic
hexed compass
barren relic
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which would give him 2 more years.

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lose 2 or 3 $M in 1 season, to gain 2 more seasons at 7'ish $M each

hexed compass
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Iā€™ll try to look into it, but my understanding of the qualifying offer is simply to retain their RFA status

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And you can give whatever deal you want

kind socket
# chrome knoll

I know I'm the one who made this post, but personally I think we should seriously consider pursuing Zach LaVine, Andrew Wiggins, and Benedict Mathurin. Of course we should try and bring Khris back as long as the price is right, but that's not really a win-now move but more of a culture move.

chrome knoll
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chrome knoll
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The main argument for keeping the pick this year I think is that it will be cost controlled for the entirety of the dame stretch.

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Pick ten projected about 21m

kind socket
chrome knoll
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The idea of a guy making 5m/y interests me more than their 25 or 40m

kind socket
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None of this could be said for certain, but in my head Trey Murphy and Lauri Markkanen are players that perfectly compliment Giannis and would make us actual contenders along with Taylor Jenkins as our coach. I know that's a lot to expect out of a bunch of uncertainties, but this is the first time I've been optimistic about the future of the Bucks for a few months now.

chrome knoll
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Iā€™m hopping 31, 32 swap and 33 with Kuz and Bob are enough for what ever we need

kind socket
hushed marsh
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he might be better than Lauri some day

kind socket
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So I suppose our main target this offseason should be Trey Murphy, and I think we could actually do it. I was thinking something like this:

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chrome knoll
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I would happily trade Rollins for a top 4 pick this draft. Thatā€™s about it

kind socket
barren relic
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i hope thats wrong.
but, we cant get into a bidding war over RR

spring halo
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we have his bird rights so its whatever if heā€™s really untouchable bucks will pay to keep him

barren relic
hushed marsh
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we can't extend him but we have bird

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we just might have to overpay a bit

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we just can't extend him early

chrome knoll
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#KeepKuz just for the extra cap space to extend Rollins

barren relic
hushed marsh
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it's fine

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I believe from what Jim said we can match any offer

kind socket
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They were super chill and respectful the whole time.

kind socket
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I think the Bucks and the Cavs would say no to this if either team went to the other with this, but I still think it'd be worth considering.

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If we're including Ryan Rollins, then I wouldn't include any picks.

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Also, the only other ways to make salary work would be to trade away Kuzma and Myles, but then we'd have to get someone from them too (except Tyrese Proctor because he doesn't make enough). I think you could also do Kuzma, Bobby, and AJG, but then we'd definitely have to include picks we don't have, and I'm sure other teams would be able to beat that.

floral flume
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I definitely don't think the Cavs r doing that lol

hexed compass
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I don't really like that for either side

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I think Houston is a way more likely team to trade for Mitchell than anybody else in the league

hard charm
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well luka got traded to the lakers so u never know šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

chrome knoll
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@steady swift and others, assuming we keep king Kuz this year, do you think we would be able to get him back on a 3/18ish deal, 4/40? what do you think the range would be?

spring halo
steady swift
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But also I donā€™t even want to re-sign him yet bc the expiring contract is still valuable at the deadline

kind socket
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When's the deadline for contract extensions? Is it after the trade deadline?

chrome knoll
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Agreed, more of a hypothetical if we keep him throughout the year and he becomes a Ufa this summer. I donā€™t see him getting the full mle any where but maybe just being a playable wing gets him paid. I would love to get him back for under 10/y for as many years as he wants

kind socket
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I'd be okay with giving Kuz $10mil/yr for as many years as he wants to be here.

kind socket
kind socket
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Is this giving up too much for Trey Murphy? If the Pelicans would even say yes to this, I think we should. If I'm not mistaken, these are the only picks we're allowed to trade right now due to the Stepien rule. We'd have to trade whoever we pick in this upcoming draft on draft night though since we can't trade the pick outright.

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From what I understand from what I'm seeing on Fanspo, our 2027 pick goes to either NOP or ATL, our 2028 pick goes to either POR or CHI (this one I'm really not sure about), we don't have a 2029 pick, and our 2030 pick goes to POR as a swap. Is this a correct evaluation?

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chrome knoll
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We get our 33 pick this summer. We will have 26,31,33 and 32 swap available to trade

kind socket
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Or do we wait to re-sign Ousmane and hope that he turns into a Trey Murphy-esque player?

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because I also think that that could actually happen.

chrome knoll
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I am personally out on Murphy for any more than a future first and a swap

hexed compass