#OFFSEASON: Bucks transaction talk!

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native granite
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Especially after giving up Khris

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Him and Marjon at the wing positions šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

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Making that roster age younger šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

oblique yew
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looking for cheapo $ guys.
any of these possible, or worth it?
4.1m$ and less this season.

zhaire smith, jock landale, paul reed, gabe vincent, max strus, justin jackson, drew eubanks, josh okogie, thomas bryant, shake milton, damion lee, dennis smith, bryn forbes, sterling brown, alex len, stanley johnson, campazzo, jarrett culver

digital bough
oblique yew
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IF they stay cheap

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Milton deserves more $ tho.
He's had some nice performances

fading egret
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As Jim said in his last point forward podcast. It's 96% we sign Middleton and 97% we sign brook because the financials make it that way.

marsh willow
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yep

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i still dont think we make any other big moves

fading egret
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We can't let them walk. Because we literally can't spend the salary if they do. And they're old so sign and trade's can only be the same salary or less and you won't get players as good as them.

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It'll probably be like a 2-3 year deal and blow it up and just rebuild with whoever Giannis wants for his last big Contract at thate time.

marsh willow
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sounds right

fading egret
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Also Lori Nickel also threw shaka smart into the mix

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Which I got a giggle from

marsh willow
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thatd be wild

humble crypt
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Love Shaka but no no no

digital bough
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@oblique yew

pliant zodiac
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June 21 - Khrisā€™ player option deadline June 30 - deadline Brook extension. Brookā€™s deal dependent on Khrisā€™ choice

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hope they make it work

digital bough
desert trellis
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good role players no real big names tho

oblique yew
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GM XEPNO,
has been hard at work so far this offseason.
i have layed out the plan, with $ and explanations.
marvel at my 2am Bucks energy

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2023 NBA Champs
jrue, midds, grant/levert, G, brook
jevon, allen, pat, marjon, bobby
smith/dragic, forbes, green, thanasis, C

marsh willow
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not gonna happen

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but cool

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u r really gonna bring forbes back

digital bough
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Replace Forbes with Yutanabe

knotty blade
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If we get yuta I'll buy his jersey

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I already have his nets jersey

desert trellis
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respect for putting in the work

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now I wanna find a decent simulator and mess around lol

oblique yew
oblique yew
marsh willow
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what about his abuse issues

digital bough
oblique yew
fading egret
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The guy allegedly beat his girlfriend up and you're okay with it....

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Also it's like you have no memory of Bryn Forbes while he was here.

knotty blade
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As a player I if none of the other stuff happened I would've been fine bringing him back but yeah he doesn't deserve to be on any team imo

oblique yew
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That's what we need.
Playoff shot maker

oblique yew
fading egret
oblique yew
fading coral
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atp no one can convince me that we should trade Khris or Jrue. trading for younger players who can complement Giannis and future free agents is the only thing that makes sense. also using our picks wisely

fading egret
fading coral
# fading egret Should or shouldn't?

I do not think we should trade Khris or Jrue. Youā€™re not getting a better player(s) back for them. The only useful thing would be picks for a re-tool, but even then, the new CBA makes that incredibly difficult.

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In my opinion, trading bench players makes sense. But the core itself shouldnā€™t change. Blowing up a championship core after one bad showing is just insane. And thatā€™s with injuries, and a Heat team that seems to be favored by the universe

fading egret
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Yeah. New coach, run it back is my Ideal.

fading coral
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Yep. New approach. Fresh ideas and minds with a new vision for the core.

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I also think trying to be the heat is dumb. I am not worried about the front office trying to replicate ā€œheat cultureā€ in Milwaukee but this fanbase is so pathetic sometimes

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You canā€™t just copy/paste the whole identity of an organization onto a different team. Be fr. And itā€™s not even needed in the first place.

pliant zodiac
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we donā€™t need heat cultureā€¦

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bucks probably outplayed the heat majority of the quarters in the series just donā€™t collapse in the fourth

pulsar viper
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the heat have established a great winning culture

pliant zodiac
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heat have a winning culture and we donā€™t? which team has won the chip in the last 5 year

fading coral
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We can make the changes we need to without trying to be the quasi-heat (which will NOT work)

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you canā€™t replicate something like that. lean into what we already do and do it better

neat mason
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What does "Heat Culture" even mean? (Besides bringing in Pat Riley, Coach Spo, and sexy beachesā€”all of which I am for.)

fading coral
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They are very strict. Crazy workouts, strict body fat percentages. Idek besides that. Which is why itā€™s silly people want to replicate it anywhere else. Itā€™s not gonna work

sturdy gladeBOT
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Updated any necessary roles.

bronze spire
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I have come to terms that we should probably just run it back instead of making 2K-esque moves (even if we could), but I think we should make a line-up change. This is contingent on Middleton and Brook re-signing, but how would you feel about Jrue, Khris, Giannis, Bobby, and Brook being the starting 5 with Giannis being more of an on-ball defender instead of being on help defense? We would REALLY need decent veterans on the bench, but I think it might be the way to go.

rich raven
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Stfu how abt that

native granite
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Dang

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Why you do him like that

desert trellis
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there was a spammer dude

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got yeeted

digital bough
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I thought he was talking to Shane

rich raven
rich raven
oblique yew
bronze spire
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If Jrue was moved to the 2, who would you realistically like to see at the 1 for the Bucks? If Jevon Carter takes a huge leap this offseason I can see a world where he could be our starting PG, but I'm not sure how likely that is. As far as free agents go my top 3 are Patrick Beverley, Cory Joseph, or DJ Augustin.

native granite
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Jevon might not be a Buck my guy

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He's a free agent and we might not retain him

digital bough
knotty blade
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aint no way i just saw dj augustin in 2023

rich raven
knotty blade
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wouldnt mind pat bev and CoJo as end of bench/non rotation guys on vet mins but not anything more than that

rich raven
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I would be so happy

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Heā€™s a dawg

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I would give him some minutes too, he was balling out in Chicago or at least changed their culture

I doubt he joins here tho

native granite
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Yea I'd give Pat Bev a chance

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I love seeing that menace energy

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I miss seeing PJ shamelessly harass with KD while getting cooked

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That's energy for the soul

oblique yew
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A big HELL NO for pat bev

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Keep all of his BS away from my fave team

digital bough
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Love Pat Bev

neat mason
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Stotts and Prunty back?! Starting to get chills. Where's Terry Porter at?

native granite
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we should sign Yuta Watanabe to a min if he doesnt get anything higher

marsh willow
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agree

native granite
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I think one of ingles or jae leaves, and Yuta can come in at the wing position and hopefully just hit threes reliably for cheap

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also terrence davis

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idk how much money hes gonna command, would be worth looking at

final bough
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Hey guys

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I'm a huge mock trader, I make unlikely, but imo benefitial for all teams deals

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and usually huge deals

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and since Beal has now been mentioned for the Bucks

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I made a mega deal

pulsar viper
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letā€™s see

final bough
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wanna hear what yell think about this trade

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get ready

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Bucks:
Bradley Beal
Nas Reid (S&T 38.8m/3yr)
Khris Middleton (RS 127.5m/4yr)
(Middleton is expected to resign for less money than his current deal)

Wizards:
Jordan Poole
Jonathan Kuminga
Davis Bertans
Tim Hardaway Jr
Mike Conley
2023 Mavs FRP #10
2023 Warriors FRP #19
2024 Timberwolves FRP

Timberwolves:
Jrue Holiday
Delon Wright
Grayson Allen
Kyle Kuzma (S&T 65.7m/3yr)

Warriors:
Karl Anthony-Towns
Anthony Gill

Mavericks:
Brook Lopez (S&T 56.6m/3yr)
Daniel Gafford
Kyle Anderson
Kyrie Irving (RS 166.1m/4yr)

pulsar viper
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wow

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for bucks i would be against it

final bough
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really?

pulsar viper
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khris contract has me salivating tho šŸ¤¤

final bough
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personally I've wanted to break up our trio

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I just don't like having 2 of the most inconsistent players in the league on the same team

pulsar viper
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i donā€™t i still think this 4 is capable of winning a ring together

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health has just been a concern

final bough
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I have a lot of other 5 teams trades too

native granite
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We can't lose Brook

final bough
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I usually make one or two each day ish

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I'm also not as high on Brook

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one thing is age

native granite
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I love Naz Reid tho

final bough
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and also believe Giannis is better as center at least playoff time

pulsar viper
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ehhh

final bough
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which is why I have nas reid in this deal, so either Nas or Bobby can play C during the regular season

pulsar viper
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giannis at center puts a lot of stress on him defensively

marsh willow
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No point in having beal and khris. Idk

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Too many pieces never gonna happen cool trade tho

final bough
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I just think Beal is a lot better offensively than Jrue which is the issue with the bucks imo

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Jrue imo can be a 3rd option, but not with Middleton as the 2nd option

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I think we'd need a better 2nd option

pulsar viper
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our pg tho? we at a hole

final bough
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Beal can play point

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he's a good playmaker

pulsar viper
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tru

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but i see him more of a sg kinda like jrue and not a true playmaker

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especially if we not getting jevon back we fucked at pg position

final bough
final bough
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Now I know most won't like this trade just cause of his reputation

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but

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Bucks:
Kyrie
Cameron Johnson
DFS

Mavericks:
Middleton
Grayson

Nets:
Jrue Holiday
Jae Crowder
Wes Matthews

pulsar viper
pulsar viper
final bough
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fair but I do think his offense is more valuable than Jrues defense

final bough
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another one I have

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Bucks:
Dame
GTJ
DFS
C Wood
Watanabe (Free agency)

Raptors:
Jrue
Kyrie

Blazers:
Scottie Barnes
Davis Bertans
Tim Hardaway Jr
Grayson
3x Nets FRP
1x Mavs FRP

Mavs:
Middleton
Jae Crowder
Wes Matthews
Nas Reid (Free agency)

Nets:
Vanvleet
Brook
Marjon

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same shit here again a lot of S&T

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another trade which still is unlikely but makes is more likely than my 5 team out of this world trades, is much simpler

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Bucks:
Bradley Beal

Hawks:
Khris Middleton
Grayson Allen

Wizards:
Dejounte Murray
John Collins

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only issue with this is imo wing depth for the bucks, we desperately need 3&D wings

native granite
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Banking on Marjon

knotty blade
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A Jrue for Dejounte and Bogdan trade would be interesting

final bough
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don't see why Hawks would do that but for the bucks it's a steal

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it's even an upgrade in 3pt shooting

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With the Bucks, Jrue has shot 30.3% from 3 in the playoffs

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Dejounte has very small sample in playoffs but it's very high and still in the regular season it's still better than jrues playoffs

rich raven
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Esp with Khris coming off injury and Dejounte being 26 years old

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I would like to see them move on from Collins though for sure

final bough
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Collins n Capela donā€™t fit well nor does Dejounte with Trae as heā€™s not great off ball

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I agree that if Iā€™m the Hawks I wouldnā€™t do the trade

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Cause I think thereā€™s better deals

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But Middleton fits a lot better,

Trae
Bogdan
Middleton
Hunter
Capela

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Works much better imo

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Tho I think Okongwu should be their starting C and instead trade Capela for something else

native granite
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its a little sad they shipped 3 FRPs for Dejounte and then the next year flip him and JC for Khris Middleton, but I understand

final bough
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Yeah I get that, but Iā€™m someone who thinks itā€™s best to switchup rather trying to fix something failed

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JC value isnā€™t all that high tho

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Not a great shooter or defender

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Okongwu and JC seems to work better for some reason so Capela could work but as heā€™s older and has less potential I think JC works better for the Wizards

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Not sure if Warriors would accept but just in terms of value I think trading Capela and Hunter for Wiggins would be solid

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If they made the swap for Middleton

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But Iā€™m high on Hunter

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But I think this would be a lower end contender:

Trae
Bogdan
Middleton
Wiggins
Okongwu

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I really like it

knotty blade
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I feel like something like this could happen

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Young team with a ton of assets offloads some for Beal

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Nvm Beal has a NTC

digital bough
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No need to make a trade

rich raven
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Fultz
FVV (if)
Cole
Suggs
Harris

Haha

digital bough
rich raven
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I feel that

digital bough
# rich raven I feel that

If they draft or sign a guard I really want Kelle, but I'd take one of their other guards as a consolation prize

rich raven
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I really like Fultz too

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Iā€™m glad heā€™s finally back

final bough
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Jonathan Isaac downfall is so sad

digital bough
marsh willow
marsh willow
final bough
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Imo Bucks should pursue LaVine or Siakam

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I like the Siakam n Giannis fit ngl

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Both being able to play C for a while but interchanging so both donā€™t get beat up and remain insanely switchable

rich raven
native granite
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Yea I would love to see your proposal of how that works for both teams

final bough
final bough
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But personally ofc Iā€™d make a 5 team trade

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But canā€™t rn at work

final bough
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Ok only a 3 team but:

Bucks:
Pascal Siakam
Gary Trent Jr (S&T 54.7m/3yr)

Raptors:
Jrue Holiday
Dejounte Murray
Clint Capela
2024 Hawks FRP via Kings
2024 Bucks SRP via Blazers

Hawks:
Brook Lopez (S&T 56.6m/3yr)
OG Anunoby

fading coral
marsh willow
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Good news everyone!

fading egret
final bough
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What do u guys think of the Sexton rumors?

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Ngl I donā€™t think itā€™s bad

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If it could be Grayson and something else but idk what exactly

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I think we need to get him if we canā€™t resign Jevon

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Also why does nobody think Brook could take a pay cut

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I think because heā€™s older he shouldnā€™t be payed 20m a year

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Really I think 13m is realistic considering it will end when heā€™s like 38

native granite
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I think people are downplaying Grayson a lot, he's a quality role player...Sexton is gonna give u more creation but less off ball production so it's really just what do you want

Reason nobody thinks Brook is taking a paycut is because his other suitors are supposed to be offering some heavy contracts which might push the price he wants from us up a little

rich raven
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Bro they bout to give FVV 2Y/$80M anyway LMAO

final bough
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Brook is great, but I believe we can do better without him

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Come playoff time, Iā€™ve always said that Giannis at C is better and thatā€™s exactly what happened against the Suns and we won

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Brook doesnā€™t shoot as many 3s or is at good at them in the playoffs and against the best teams in the PnR he becomes exploitable

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I think for the playoffs, instead having elite versatile 3&D forwards is better

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Brook is super important in the RS because Giannis doesnā€™t have to play C

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But if Bobby could be the starting C in the RS and then become the 6th man in the playoffs more and Giannis plays more C I think is better for us

fading coral
# final bough I think because heā€™s older he shouldnā€™t be payed 20m a year

Tbh that his probably the high-end of what weā€™ll offer. And given Houston is going after FVV probably the most theyā€™ll offer Brook too.

Previously many had been hoping for a team friendly deal that was considerably less than 20m, but that went out the window with how Houston is pursuing him.

I would be very surprised if he gets an offer for 20m/year from us. And I think Houston is the only team that would consider offering more bc they are super desperate.

final bough
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Losing brook and playing with 15 mil more

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Sure we donā€™t wanna be above the 2nd apron

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But to be under it weā€™d not be real contenders

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Iā€™m the biggest DSF stan there is, heā€™d be perfect

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Iā€™d gladly go Brook n Grayson for DFS n Royce type deal

fading coral
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I think we will still manage to be under the 2nd apron. Horst is good at getting players to sign team friendly deals. Even if Brook gets 20m, I think Khrisā€™s deal will be less than what most are expecting. I think he will get less than 30m/year.

final bough
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It would be sick

fading coral
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Well I wouldnā€™t do all of that, but DFS (if he plays well) would be a great addition. But it seems like Brooklyn wants to keep him. I read they turned down trade offers for him last season for two frps.

digital bough
digital bough
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I'd trade Bobby for Dorian

final bough
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Same for Jrue

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His offense in the playoffs is butt cheeks

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But Jrue unless thereā€™s something really good out there is still worth it due to defense and playmaking

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We need more versatile defense

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And more reliable shooters

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Our shooting is below average in the playoffs

knotty blade
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But I feel like we shouldnt trade Bobby because of his loyalty to us

fading coral
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If Brook isnā€™t key in the playoffs then wtf is Bobby

knotty blade
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Brook is deadass our second most important player in the playoffs

final bough
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Lol

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Itā€™s Budenholzer putting so much faith in Brook thatā€™s fooling you

digital bough
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Nah

final bough
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I will say in some times Brook was super important, especially in the Atlanta series

digital bough
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He's a DPOY finalist that can space the floor, he's a unicorn

final bough
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Let me ask you guys instead of just saying heā€™s him, tell me why when it comes to the playoffs

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I always complained when we barely let Bobby play

digital bough
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Lmao

final bough
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And in the Celtics 2022 series Brook def fucked the offense, did good on holding the perimeter but we also got fucked from 3

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He wasnā€™t hitting the 3 and went to being in the post a lot making it much harder for Giannis

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And heā€™s really good defensively but very one dimensional

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Against like the 76ers I think Brook would be insanely important

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Against a post up big and not amazing midrange team

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But the best teams can beat the drop, if Brook is up against a team like that heā€™s not nearly as valuable defensively

digital bough
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Yeah so why not keep him? I'm not starting Bobby Portis against Joel Embiid

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And I don't want Giannis guarding him

final bough
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Because there are other teams than just like the 76ers lol

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Where more switchability is more favorable

digital bough
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Yeah so bench him

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Obviously

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They did it before

final bough
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Yeah that works I agree, but not worth paying 20m for a bench player

digital bough
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But he's not a bench player

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He'd still start

final bough
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Someone who shouldnā€™t get 30+ minutes come playoff time doesnā€™t deserve 20m

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I donā€™t think Giannis should run C full time, but def more than very few occasions and I hope Griffin sees this

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Now I know this was an off series, but having Brook play 7 games, 27 MPG against Celtics and shooting 7.7% from 3P for the series

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Just realizing he wasnā€™t hitting and instead was wanting to post up or be in the dunkers spot

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Clogging the lane for Giannis who had very little off ball run for him along with this

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I think Brook is great for the Bucks, but he doesnā€™t deserve the 20m and if we didnā€™t have him the options we could choose with that type of money instead could be just as good or better

digital bough
final bough
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What we gettin then

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Brook is on like 14m rn right?

digital bough
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We'd literally lose him for nothing

native granite
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@final bough to explain clearly, we are over the cap with or without Brook right, but since Brook has been with us for 3+ years we have his full bird rights...this let's us sign him even though we are over the cap

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If we lose Brook we are still over the cap so it doesn't free up any spendable money

final bough
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Ok ye Iā€™ve never fully understood how negative cap works n shit

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But ok then makes a lot more sense ye fuck

native granite
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We can technically offer him anything up to the max, but we obviously wouldn't...just depends how high another team wants to raise us

final bough
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But man Iā€™d def take Cam Johnson n Royce for Brook n Grayson

native granite
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Nets wouldn't say yea

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Johnson is gonna get paidd

final bough
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Yeah ik

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I just want us to get younger

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But thatā€™s hard to do without picks

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Man my dream is for Haliburton to be on the Bucks

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OP but not like too OP, itā€™s not like Luka and Giannis

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Actually hold up

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Ik they canā€™t trade for him obv, but if they try to become good this offseason and Giannis for some reason signed with Indiana that would be kinda cool ngl

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Myles is just a better Brook imo

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Basically equal shooting but more athletic and versatile

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Next to Hali and Mathurin

digital bough
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He is younger though

final bough
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He is imo

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Man I want Giannis on the Kings, Grizzlies, Wolves or Hawks

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Obv some changes made on each team like no Gobert, not Sabonis, not Adams and not Capela

digital bough
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????

fading egret
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???????????

native granite
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Are you a Bucks fan?

marsh willow
final bough
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Really a Giannis fan, he got me into ball in 2016

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So I support Bucks, but Iā€™m mainly a Giannis fan

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And Bucks just in a shit spot and off season is so fun

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Trade Giannis for Scottie, Boucher, OG and 4x FRP šŸ˜ŒšŸ‘†

digital bough
fading egret
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you have a pass aslong as its nothing too bad

digital bough
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And why Toronto, fuck Toronto

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They deserve nothing

fading egret
final bough
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(I just want versatile defenders and shooting for Giannis whether thatā€™s with the Bucks or not)

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I wouldnā€™t actually call myself a huge Bucks fan even if I want them to win obv, Iā€™m being honest man

native granite
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Yea that's completely fine

final bough
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If Bucks become poverty franchise, Iā€™m not gonna be a Bucks stan

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I still like the Bucks because Milwuakee

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But Iā€™m not from the US, I have no relation to Milwuakee at all

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So really I have no bias for any team, I just like Bucks most cause got my fav player then the rest are just based on how much I like them geographically

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Minnesota my 2nd fav team

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Denver 3rd

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Fuck Boston

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I donā€™t even have much feelings of other teams, but I truly hate Boston

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Itā€™s not even the coaches, the players or anything like that

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But I hate Boston fans

marsh willow
final bough
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My 2nd personality did

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I heard the voices

fading coral
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Very late but a lot of bench players make 20m

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Bucks fans conceptions of contracts is completely off bc all of our guys are super cheap

final bough
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And most teams have bad contracts

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A team without bad contracts is the Raptors

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Theyā€™re hard to trade with because their contracts are all super fair

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I wanna die because Jevon is a bull

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Jevon was my 3rd fav player šŸ˜­

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On Bucks

native granite
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#šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡¦ā”‚general

knotty blade
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Would you trade pat or grayson for Delon Wright

digital bough
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Pat yes, Grayson no

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But the wizards probably wouldn't do that

native granite
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I would definitely not deal Grayson for him

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And under most circumstances I'd say no for Pat too, but our backup PG is Hugo and Lindell, so it's a hesitant yes

knotty blade
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I feel like the only way to get someone who can contribute the same as Jevon would be through a trade

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Not really any PGs left on the fa market

digital bough
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Ayo

oblique yew
fading coral
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Weā€™re bringing Wenyen home

oblique yew
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im interested in Derrick Jones Jr

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can play a bit PF,
and is a rim runner.
which we need and can be useful

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but, we need 2 PGs and 2 Cs mostly

pulsar viper
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biyombo a defensive center we might pick up imo

knotty blade
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we should get UD

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nunn is available if we want an undersized chucker instead of sexton for free

oblique yew
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if they cant get $ from someone, Bucks minimum is their only option

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but, maybe they can see how Jevon excelled, and got a bigger contract

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Kaminsky, Biyombo, Derrick, Nunn, Dragic
i think thats on my tier 1 list

pulsar viper
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dragic fs

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i want wes back tho šŸ˜­

knotty blade
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bringing back dragic in a bigger role would suck

final bough
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I love the Beasley signing

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But weā€™ll lose him next season

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Even if he can be streaky I think Giannis gravity will help him get back on track

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But man DFS and Giannis is the dream

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Also how do you guys see MarJon doing this season?

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I was very impressed with MarJon last year

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His on ball defense was amazing and his shooting was good for some stretches

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I hope his shot becomes more consistent around 36% then heā€™ll be important for us

pulsar viper
# final bough Also how do you guys see MarJon doing this season?

id like to see some more development from marjon especially offensively. i wanna see him shoot more consistently. looked great last year defensively and i think heā€™ll continue to improve there just needs to establish more of a consistency as a three way scorer. i think he will take those leaps to an extent