#🏈 Football General Chat + Gamethread + Arthur
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Trevor Lawrence and Asante Samuel
I’m feeling that the nfl scriptwriters are gonna be in their bag with this one
From 27-0 to 27-14, plz start smthg special
👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
😂😂😂
They’re not dead yet
2 possession game
They gotta cook, get a stop, cook again, then we are tied
Fax
shitttt they backk
scriptwriters in their BAG goddamn
Yea wtf
This game is very silly
MISSED KICK
Crack cocaine
Dicker the Kicker never fails 😳 rare occurrence, glad it happened
Jax will win on a walkoff tuddy
@mint edge FG
Gusty gusty gutsy
does the 28-3 curse kick in for the jags or the chargers
GO JAGS GO
just bleed the clock and kick a last second fg now
Jags r moving on if their kicker doesn’t sell
Doug Pederson is a great coach
A shank would be the dagger from the script writers
little bit of a hold on zay but we move
John Carney misses the Extra Point after one of the most thrilling plays in NFL history!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!
Chargers gonna Charger. What’s new?
jags bills afc championship
Jags ain't beating the chiefs
Maybe, maybe not. Crazier things have happened
Let’s go Jagsssss
Reminds me of when Bengals were doubted 👀
No one had em winning
Comeback 😤
Chargers suck Staley should be fired
That reminds me. I was telling another friend of mine when the Jaguars started the season off well that they could be this years Bengals
you said it here too
noooo keep staley
Did I?
i want to see what levels of dumbassery he can descend to
I believe so
For some reason whenever I thought of Jags, your msg echoed in my head

Falcons fans can’t escape
I like the duo of Pederson Lawrence a lot.
as much as i like to clown on baalke he did a good job here
every move they made this season has worked out so far
Ok I’d agree with that
Those moves I thought were terrible. Maybe still not great just cause how much they paid for each but hey, it’s working well
yea i mean i was also laughing at overpaying kirk and zay but its working good for them
traded jrob, got ridley for next season
Lincoln Riley won't even have to move
Staley
meme violates #📜│rules
It’s your turn Danny dimes
W
that's a cheetah tho
so far got both predictions right. today i got the bills, vikings, and bengals, tomorrow i got dallas winning. see how it goes
Not if I say it isn’t
easy way to tell is cheetah's have the black tear lines down their eyes
Yea
i didnt know who skylar thomson was until today really
Even if Tua was in there was no way buffalo was losing this game
Josh Allen is literally Brett Favre
TOUCHDOWN
TLaw won
Ik
I still think bills will win
Who knows
I don’t know anymore after that chargers choke
the loss itself wasnt a choke it was expected to be a near 50-50 game...the 28-3 run was a CHOKE
Yea that was crazy
Bills fourth down
also kinda expected since its the chargers
Josh whatchu cooking
picked off
and that playcall mightve cooked em for good
Hehehe
34-31
Still in it 👀
4th and something
yea that looked like the packers offense lol
dolphins got nowhere
mcdermott keeps icing his own defense lmao
Script writers have been on fire so far
SACKED
Script writers would have dolphins win here
Nah they want Bills Chiefs dawg
^
Stefon Diggs has been targeted ONCE in the 2H 😳🤔 WYD Bills?? #MIAvsBUF
bruh fins
It was close
why are the running with the ahmed dude instead of jwj
He has been having great runs
oh ok
Miami forgot how to football
Skyalr Thompson really giving a sermon in the huddle
Like bro all you gotta do is run the play
4th and 1 cmon
QB sneak imo 😆
What that’s not a first down
Lmao
Wow
lets goooooo giants
Woot woot
Let's go Giants
I picked the giants
this one was hard to pick tho
i mainly picked the vikings cos theyre at home
but their defense is pretty awful
I picked Giants cuz I’ve watched them all season
mainly cuz I had Saquon in fantasy
i only watched the giants when we beat them
i mean when they played the lions
we beat them pretty solidly
dude these runs lol
Himothy
theyre gashing them
WWWW Slayton
hockenson having a big game
Hodgins has really blossomed for the Giants
cmon giants get a stop and finish this 🙏
big drop
SLAYTON NOOOO
fucking hell
well maybe vikings can win afterall lol
either way its a great game
vikings td and joseph missed xp? 
i dont really care who wins
Cousins don’t throw to Hockenson challenge [impossible]
vikings getting bailed out
man thats just a tackle
Rigged for Vikings
literally let go at the end too
again
its such a horrible rule
leave slayton in minneapolis if the giants lose
one more stop dawg
Gooooo G men
WOOOO
fraids
GOODBYE VIKINGS
frauds
hahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I HAVE LOVED GIANTS SINCE FIRST GAME OF SEASON, SO HAPPY FOR EM

lions were the secret best team in the nfc north
vikings FAIL
im sad they didnt get into the playoffs
- Lions
- Vikings
- Packers
- Fraudgers
- Da bears
I'm currently on top of the world as a giants fan rn
Fun fact: the Green Bay packers (8-9) won the same amount of playoff games as the Minnesota Vikings (13-4) in the year of our lord 2023
another fun fact: vikings (-3) end the season with a worse point differential than the packers (-1) despite having won 5 more games in the regular season
SKOLOLOLOLOL 
Cousins on fourth-and-8: “didn’t feel good about putting up to Justin… felt like I was going to get sacked and wanted to put the ball in play”
bruv
putting it up for justin is def the right move
Same, been a fan since that week 1. I told y’all this.. it’s mainly cuz of Daboll.. and having Saquon on my fantasy team hehe
I feel like I’m rooting for Jags and Giants even tho it’s so unlikely we get that SB 😂
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
SCRIPT WRITERS PUTTING UP WILT NUMBERS THESE PLAYOFFS
94 slow as hell
No way
#Bengals DE Sam Hubbard reached a max speed of 17.43 mph on that 98-yard score, per @NextGenStats.
#Ravens TE Mark Andrews who almost caught him reached 20.72 mph before being knocked down.
Props to andrews
Thought that was an illegal block
Man is fast as fuck for a guy whose 6’5 and 250
yea it shouldve been a block in the back
refs have been massive Ls as usual but the games are entertaining i cant lie
Damn, didn’t know that
Yessir
Brother researched all abt MAndrews cuz he had him on fantasy team 😂
cmon Huntley let’s go!
@olive knot calling it now. They get touchdown and lose 24-23 by trying to go for 2 ☠️
he read the wiki
I still remember when he called that vs packers last year
that would be the ultimate harbaugh move
right
2021 when he had an extreme obsession with going for 2 to end games was one of the goofiest coaching moments ever
whats the call here
short by a tiny bit no fumble
Haha yea honestly was pretty cool tho
they just said rn is a fiirst
Family member of mine has diabetes so was kinda cool to see
Looks short
yea but theyll have to review it
what are you calling here if you’re them
then you gotta go for it
prob, depends where they spot the ball tho
Well tbf that time he tried to jump
to a TE or FB
which was dumb
do the pederson call? 
im calling qb sneak again but this time dont reach ur hand out just push forward
thought he could break the plane before losign it
Exactly agree
if not that then a FB dive to Richard
it looks like a long 1 yard tho
He thought he was Saquon
FB Dive
18"
Haha madden
give us a FB dive
I always do this in madden
That’s what I’d do
shotgunnnn
It’s guarantee a few inches
got it
plz give us OT
that playcall requires some elite blocking
I just know Harbaugh will go for 2 tho dawg
good stuff
And not get it
oshit
Harbaugh would go for 2
lol signals first down and hes like 3 yards short
great playcall
W Dobbins
everyone thought deep out routes, middle of the field wide open
now pass to MAndrews MAndrews MAndrews
he was covered by like 4 guys
or maybe not ☠️
😂😂
Right, as soon as I said that
Pans over to him guarded by 4 guys

if he threw it ahead of him thats catchable
flag on who 👀
they let like 30 sec just go like that
right
dumb play, now its holdinig
Bozooooo
mccarthy levels of clock management
First down shoulda been a run and not waste that clock
Wait what happen
bro us as madden clock managers are better
☠️
At least it’s an exciting ending
Remember when packers beat ravens last year on a last second failed 2pt
They shouldn’t have
- Wasted clock when they had 1m
- Thrown on first down after wasting said clock
that run was horrible call
I wonder if Harbaugh would go for the 2 again if they can score here
one more play ☠️☠️☠️
at minimum
The universe needs to know the answer. Plz give us a Touchdown
Yeah ngl I want Bengals to win but I also want that drama lol
is lamar watching...
hes not with the team in cinci
brother is ready waiting for his BAG
yea so u think hes watchiing at some strip club in baltimore
he playing his cards right
I get times getting low, but they didn’t have to go for the home run every play
could did more inside pass routes, short pass plays with 2 time outs
he almost got ti
so close
Holy
Dude Fr… imagine if he got that
show the replay nbc
Holy shit that was so close
huntley almost fell over
Also how did 20ish yards become a Hail Mary attempt… and then almost worked
Brooo almost.
he got hands on it
They did
4/4 on predictions so far
same
I’m on Hulu so it’s behind
oh wait yeah there were 3 today
I got all so far let’s go
Number 3 gave up too soon
What’s your last pick
i already forgot about fins bills
I went cowboys
boys yeah
cowboys is tmr
cuz cowboys can choke
will*
actually do i get 6/6 for predicting the staley fail or was that too obvious
Great finish
the tampa bradies
the tampa cade ottons
Honestly for my money I’d have to take TB lol
I will go Cowboys cuz I just see that defense being the first real defense challenge they play in weeks
And a competent offense
they played vs McSorley
Sam Darnold
dak has been pretty bad to end the season is my only worry
yeaaa
that and playoff brady bullshit always being a possibility
Istg
Cowboys offense and defense refuse to be good at the same time
Scriptwriters willing Brady to SB
How close was Tyler Huntley to crossing the plane with the football?
According to the chip in the football, the closest the ball got to the end zone was 0.6 yards from the goal line.
#BALvsCIN | #RavensFlock | #RuleTheJungle
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EXACTLY
WTF DAWG THERES A CHIP
because refs
just use that
!refs
👨🦯 👨🦯 👨🦯 👨🦯 REF YOU SUCK👨🦯 👨🦯 👨🦯 👨🦯
!ladders
WHY THEY PLAYING BANG THE DRUM
eliminate the refs
WTF
maybe one more teams? i cant remember
are packers the original for it
probably, bengals have only started scoring touchdowns in the past 2 years
Burrow Joshy
TLaw Mahomes
Eh? Gonna be hype
Jags r gonna win trust
on god
that would be sweet
Jags Giants Super Bowl 
@olive knot side note, LeBron fantasy rn WOW
oh fr i havent looked at my fantasy team today
plus they beat Vikings so 
holy shit 31/8/7
31/8/7 and counting
we eating good
so close to a 80/800/300/230 week 🙏

Sheeeesh
Since Green Bay won the Super Bowl in 2011:
Packers - 7 playoff wins
The rest of the NFC - 12 playoff GAMES combined, including today (only 2 wins)
This is why we get to laugh at you.
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J.K. Dobbins said he’s tired of not getting the ball, tired of being held back. Said Huntley should have never been in that position on sneak. And then he added, “If we would’ve had Lamar, we would’ve won, too.”
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oops!
sheeeesh
LamaRB for sure gets that
But damn, I wouldn’t throw him under the bus like that 😟
He got them to that goal line in the first place with his rush
i think hes more calling harbaugh/roman for putting em in that position
but yeah not a good look all around
@olive knot I guess I am helping the Ravens take out their frustration
Andrews 71yd YD and Dobbins 56yd TD, ofc he can’t score w Vikings even in madden

he quit after being 1/4 w Kirk and threw pick + fail on 4th down
Vikings gonna Viking, in real life and in madden too 
lmfao man cant avenge the vikings getting embarrassed at home even on madden

my expectations next season is our first nfc north title ever (the time we won the division in 1991 it was technically the nfc central) minimum 11 wins… have to see what happens with ben johnson tho
Go Cowboys
Haha
if the Cowboys lose, @mint edge must convert to Packers fan to align w Giannis instead of Luka
I had so many cowboys players across both leagues I’m basically a fan

Lmao
I had the only man that mattered @sacred burrow 🥳
Mr. 48.7
Forever legend
I mean it’s pretty much the same experience
man monday night football has taken a nosedive
i havent watched it once this year until now
these teams should have been the saturday noon game
i didnt realise troy aikman and buck were calling the plays on it now
Deion kissing Jerruh’s ass
Ayyy a first down
Jerruh’s check cleared 🙏
Oh no there’s hope
Shanked XP
There ya go
BRADY PICKED IN ENDZONE 
another miss
Well of course
The stars have aligned for the defense and offense to both play good, so that means a special team disasterclass
manifesting tom brady gets eliminated
@mint edge 👀
Dak cooking
I had this small feeling before this matchup that it would be a blowout and Tampa would finally be exposed for the shitty team they are that has gotten lucky playing 3rd string QBs.. that’s what’s happening so far
Like dude they’ve played some shit shit teams
lol he missed a third on
Is that another miss
Maher has no dawg in him
This surely won’t comeback to haunt the cowboys
against tomas brady surely not
Like, they played McSorley and barely won, played vs Darnold and co (barely won), bad Rams team that they beat on some magical drive, first Atlanta game they got bailed out by refs, Saints last second comeback win, just nothing convincing all year
alex smith#s sports coat looks really nice
is that alex smith?
its like a heavy grey flannel
i want that sports coat
Mando S3 trailer premier @obsidian stone
Maher you fraud
i just got back home but cowboys only up 18-0? yeah they might be cooked
24-0 for now.
checking if he’s inbounds
He walked out of bounds before catching right
would it come back then
Tony Pollard RB1
touchdown @mint edge
Congrats, looking good right abt now
here comes Maher ☠️
4TH MISS
No way 😭
brother is about to get waived
Can you sign a player mid playoff run?
WOWWWWW
Also just go for 2
maher you fraud
Maher was the #1 fantasy kicker this year, suddenly can’t hit anything
here comes the bucs comeback sadly
Tom Brady sent Maher that alimony check
ye
I hope he doesn’t retire this year
did anyones tv just cut to commercial after the fumble
Not for me
He’s down
@alpine grove This was from earlier this year. Still stands 😭
Loool
it was weird as fuck. the fumble happened, it cut to commercial, then 10 sec later returned to the game
you packer fans think rodgers is gonna retire, or what is he gonna do?
Brady should have retired last year man
I thought the script writers were finished, but the Brett Maher villain arc is crazy
no idea what hes gonna do
im guessing we get 1 more year of rodgers
Or after the Super Bowl
Yep that too
It’ll depend on what Brady does
It felt like they were still at the peak of their powers tbf to start that year
yea true
When you got the chance, go out on top
imagine divorcing a billionaire supermodel to get concussions and blown out by the cowboys
all around
😭
lmao
why would bradys decision affect rodgers?
i think he plays one more year, hes owed a ton of money next year and having his hof year upstaged by brady isnt something hed wanna do
thomas brady is taking lots of Ls lately, huh
Rodgers starting for the Colts/Raiders bout to be crazy 🔥
Because if Brady retires after this season Rodgers would play another year. If he doesn’t, maybe a good shot Rodgers retires. There’s no way both of them retire the same year, at least to Rodgers
why wouldnt they retire together
4th overall and pittman for arod, ez
totally doable
do they have a packt
maybe we throw in our 3rd rd too
naww i dont think rodgers gives a fuck what brady does
he def does
source
the entire ceremony is gonna be about brady
You really think Rodgers is gonna share his HOF induction with Brady? Be second fiddle? I can guarantee you he would want the attention and be that guy, not the 2nd
Exactly
Haha this seems right
i really dont think hes even thinking about that
all you normies who havent done enough DMT dont understand
He is bout to play w Adams in Vegas ☠️
I think it matters a lot haha. Just his personality
rodgers will only know his decision after an ayahuasca retreat
i do too
we always say this is the year it’s over
hes probably gonna play again
Then bro comes back
I WANT JLO DAMMIT
william burroughs, towards the end of his life did a yagé retreat to rid himself of the demon he believed to posess him
dmt is active ingredient in ayahuasca
Me too atp bruh
but I get a feeling he’s like “not like this”
whats the drug that makes you feel like youre being electrocuted every 5 seconds
datura?
man this chat just took a whole different turn
more like royce newman-a
datura is a deliriant and one of the worst drugs imaginable
yea thats prob what im thinking of then
man if he had made that one pat
it would be 25-0
and the buccaneers could score and go for two
3 score game still
yessss
Kearse stop that
that jerk
we pray for scorigami in this houseigami
i dont give a fuckiami
bucks in sixiami
why are you italian all of a sudden
ayyyyyyyy you wannaa a meatballa?

time to change this channel to Football General Chat + Gamethread + Arthur + Italiano
I don’t feel good about this
lol fail
thats basically 10 on 11
Don’t fret PW
That’s some middle school bs
that was weird
“Dak pick 6!”
“Tommy you run around in circles and then go long”
this whole game is dumb
Haha this is exactly the response I was thinking
oooo no call
Jerruh’s check cleared
I’m slightly behind you and don’t now if your reactions are good or not
That was good for you
It was 3rd down
ok here’s another 3rd and 9
Does Maher kick then?!
0_0
Maher sidelined on 4th and 4
TOUCHDOWN
GG
Maher makes it!
he was wide open dude
Of course he makes that
Brady passing the torch to Dak
Finally
Ok guys so second round matchups
lol it looks like they got 4 touchdowns and a field goal
bradys defense is actually letting him down?
Bengals Bills
what a time to be alive
Chiefs Jags
i think the jags have a shot
That’s gonna be great
Bengals Bills I gotta go Bills
not a big one, but i would not be shocked if they upset the chiefs
Chiefs Jags I know Chiefs are the obvious choice so I’m going Jags for funsies
i picked chiefs and 9ers in the super bowl
niners gonna stomp the cowboys tbh
i really hope they get eliminated tho they have the worst fanbase
Giants Eagles I’m also going Giants for fun 
eagles and cowboys look like the bills compared to them
the cowboys?
no niners
gonna get shredded by Purdy, but we might end Brady
i havent met as many 9er fans
Giants (most likely Eagles but cmon giants!)
Bills
49ers
Chiefs (but I want Jags)
i'm personally devastated
i jus tmean cowboys fans are everywhere
you see kids in school rooting for them just cos theyre the cowboys here
cowboys fans can be annoying but they dont reach toxicity levels of philly fans
and especially not niner fans lol
!disgusting
BUD SAYS......
im not gonna say anything
Need a Brady pick 6
yeah this was the worst game of them all this weekend
cowboys scored too much for the script
Can Cowboys takes one of his rings?
shouldve only scored 16 so brady could lead a last second fg down 1 to win
lmao maher going through it
😭
why did they throw it
i mean yeah they have an insurmountable lead, but could have burned time
yea that was dumb
couldve gotten it down to 4:30 instead
and enough room for their punter
ugh that sucks
ESPN did this
Shittttttt
non contact and swiped in the head ooof
what is it with monday night games
bro every injury for awhile is just retraumatizing the players, the fans, advertisers
holy shit he got up and went down?
a few tiimes?
wtf is going on
put him on a stretcher
take to doctor
Seriously
Kyler Murray, Damar Hamlin, Russell Gage are the recent ones that come to mind
Pray for Russel Gage🙏🏼
Hit to the head and neck area, and has been down for 5 minutes.
watch at ur own riisk
injury
go retire old man
fantasy football legend 48.7 championship week scorer Mike Evans
hes gonna play to 55 out of spite and child alimony
Wow that wasn’t the last pass I guess
did the bucs exhaust their entire supply of fireworks on that 2pt conversion damn
already spent all that money on em i guess
they only have to do that two more times now after they score here
yea 70% of the stadium is gone at this point
gotta beat the traffic
OOO
EVANS U DROPPED IT
u let brady down
u gotta lay out on that
NOW last pass
LANDRY SHIFT BABY
who do i pick between bills and bengals damn
Who caught Brady’s last completion?
Bills for me
eagles niners chiefs and bills whatever
I’m going that but with Giants. You heard me, damn it!
they saved the worst for last
i was debating giants too tbh
thank god thats over
I’m going giants hehe
eagles defense is good tho even if their offense is fake good
i hope the 9ers crush the cowboys
And Chiefs Jags I think Chiefs will win but I think Jags got upset potential
that chiefs secondary is suspect
but it could be a good game
yea it is
i think the cowboys could beat them
if they play like this
Chiefs give up so many pts but score so many points
i dont think niners/cowboys will be particularly close
niners will win handily
but who knwos
I feel like it will be close but Niners pull ahead
its only one game, depends who wants to win it more
That Brady retirement announcement is gonna hit like crack
bills have kinda been shaky this year tbh
I just realized that 49ers Cowboys happened last year, I forgot for a second lol
theyve let bad teams hang with them far too long

PTSD moment for cowboys fans
This time they’re not favored tho by ppl so let’s see how bad they want it
at least one more annoying fanbase was just eliminated
only pick i got wrong this weekend was the vikings
not sure why i picked them really
nice
just figured they were at home
I went 6/6
im not mad they lost
eh they had a good offense
their play calling at the end was trash
6/6 but honestly it was ez 
wtf was that one play where they try to pass it back to cousins to run?!
their defense was so bad that they wanted mike pettine to become their DC tho lmao
like its kirk cousins, not mahomes
they tried that shit against the lions and fumbled
lmfao
in the game we beat them
tbh kirk can kinda run but hes not breaking tackles
giants were on that play immediately
Vikings season ending on them throwing a checkdown is the funniest thing ever
yeah like why not throw to JJ
or heave up a prayer
no just throw to this guy with a defender draped all over him
bro honestly
shouldve thrown to jj yea
even tho he was triple covered, he gives you the best chance to convert
its like stafford to calvin
wheres that one stafford to calvin comic
but i mean when we had stafford and calvin, that was our offense for the most part
hahahah
pretty much lol
this is before my bigger NFL fan time 
calvin was HIM
I used to watch so casually
glad he got into the hof
just supported packers come playoff time
now past 3-4 years I’ve gotten into it way more
it sucks you in tbh
It was always NBA for me growing up
i remember the game i was at a bar watching the game lions vs cowboys and we were down by a ton and we came back to beat them down by like 21 or something
i hated football growing up and now i watch it religiously
starting fantasy football was the nail in the coffin
i was at a bar in milwaukee with a bunch of lions fans and we went nuts
lmao that would do it
for my interest gaining
yep
Went from no regular season game to “I’m watching all of these”
was that the fake spike game
I still remember when I was in MIL and Packers Steelers SB was happening
I was very young, was playing Spider-Man 3 on PS2 instead while we had ppl over
next day in class teachers were happy pack won but I didn’t know how big of a deal it was 
it was, i remember we were down so bad at the half i was like this sucks, and this other lions fan i never met at the bar was like, hey wanna go smoke a bowl in my truck? and i was like oh sure, so we go to his truck and come back, and he was like, it was a lucky bowl were gonna come back and win this game now, and we did lol. i went nuts
lmfao thats awesome
the owner of the bar was from detroit so they catered to detroit fans
romo and the cowboys got the last laugh tho i guess, when they beat us in that playoff game
with the picked up PI flag
ill always hate the cowboys after that
its ok we avenged yall with the dez catch-no-catch
and then nothing of note happened after that
at all
yeah every nfc team got hosed somehow that season
in the play offs i mean
that was the seahawks stupid goalline debacle
just slide tackled dude
thats not a grayson allen
fuck
this is not the crossover episode i was expecting
We have parted ways with OC Joe Lombardi and Passing Game Coordinator/QBs Shane Day.
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Good for them
Only reason he was employed is cause of nepotism
Y’all see the Rodgers quote ?
"I think I can win MVP again in the right situation.. is that Green Bay or somewhere else, I'm not sure and there's more conversations to be had"
@AaronRodgers12 dives into the possibility of playing a 19th season #PMSLive
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MVP? Cmon
He is saying he is concerned with MVP and not winning 
“I think I can win another Super Bowl” should be it
Idk if we can make that full jump
Of he wins MVP, we will be in a good position to win super bowl
gb offense currently works best with a high level game manager
arod understood the deal towards the 2nd half of the szn which is why we went on that win streak but reverted back to hero ball offense against the lions
and only mentioning mvp kinda makes me think he isnt anticipating gb to field a sb-caliber roster next year (which hes most likely right) but why play for that team if thats your belief
For being such a legendary NFL franchise, the Dallas Cowboys have had some trash postseason luck over the past twenty years. From botched snaps, poor quarterback play, and controversial calls, Dallas couldn’t catch a break.
Entering the 2016 season, the Cowboys’ luck finally appeared to be changing thanks to a rookie quarterback they were relu...
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