Ideas for Influence

[idle perch]

Influence atm is kinda useless past turn 30 or so, it becomes a massive stockpile

Use influence for council stuff
boost council traits, unlock new council traits, upgrade councilors, unlock council slots

that sorta deal

use it to steer your government

treaties with an influence upkeep, similar to ES2

[thorn terrace]

The use of influence in diplomacy is weird ATM. Unjustified war mechanic - okay, sure. But why does oppening your borders to an opponent use an ifluence fee? This fee is not high, but why do I even need to pay for the action that only benefits my opponent? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

[idle perch]

I don't dislike the influence cost for diplomacy per se, but yeah in that particular case it is weird

ig maybe it should be a two sided treaty by default, then the influence cost would make more sense

[thorn terrace]

AFAIK most of the actually important diplomatic actions cost you nothing. Would be better to ask the payment for treaties.

[thorn terrace]

For example, getting half of the map revealed via cartography exchange costs you absolutely nothing right now. Feels unnatural to get such a huge bonus for free.

[idle perch]

yeah

though I assume the entire diplomacy system is gonna be reworked anyhow

since it's barely a diplomacy system to begin with

[marble quail]

I always took influence as your political capital to convince your population. So doing basically anything means making sure you can push your entire faction to accept it. No point in saying "hey now the tahuks can send units in there" if your citizens would say "like hell they will, I'm gonna protest !". Same with closed borders, etc.

but influence is ultra useful for expanding so I don't understand the feedback

It's used for camps, cities, foundations

the lifeblood of your empire

[thorn terrace]

Yeah, I actually also never had a problem with the influence stockpiling. Maybe that's because I'm playing on max size map, but there's always some useful territories to claim.

[marble quail]

even then, foundations are good. Bonus yields are always nice, even if it's just 1 food/1 industry

[thorn terrace]

Making 7 cities with 4 territories in each isn't cheap.

[thorn terrace]

By the time I reach all the limits, the game is already over.

[nova pilot]

how much influence are you generating that its useless past turn 30. im always starvin. the cost for camps and cities becomes outrageous

[marble quail]

I wouldn't say "outrageous" but yeah, there's certainly enough things to spend influence on atm

[idle perch]

a couple hundred per turn

[lament wren]

Agree

[nova pilot]

i need info, how do you do that?

[marble quail]

I generate more and still use it well into turn 60

And am not planning to slow down

Grabbing territories go brr

[gilded swallow]

As necro, I felt like influence was/is my main limiting factor. I was getting up to 2k/ turn by endgame, and although more wasn't really necessary because there's little challenge from AI by then, I could have easily spent everything I could get. The cost for continual expansion of foundation spread plus especially new camps is astronomical

I posted a screenshot earlier of needing 360k influence for the next camp, for reference

[thorn terrace]

Necro are the most limited faction expansion wise as their camp cost increased with different, much more punishing formula.