Brainstorming crazy ideas thread. | System Era - ASTRONEER & STARSEEKER | Page 1

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 7:50 AM

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@rose phoenix

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 7:50 AM

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👋

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After i successfully place soil, i'm probably gonna simulate the process on planet ground to we can test it better

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 7:55 AM

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Should test if plants grow in space first.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 7:56 AM

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Oh yeah i'll spawn one in to test that before i go back

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0.5u/s really is slow for printing

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Been waiting for a rail car for a couple mins lol

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 7:56 AM

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Better than nothing lol.

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I've had to make due with that on a few occasions.

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Since you're using creative to test anyway, may as well spawn in more power.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 7:58 AM

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Maybe i should strategically do this process so most of the work is done before i scrap the other qt-rtg 😅

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 7:58 AM

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Perhaps lol.

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I was proud that I could fit a mobile base in a large shuttle. Never thought you could fit a printable base in your player inventory lol.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:00 AM

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Challening yourself is defintely the way to play lol

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And now to wait another 5 minutes for the crane

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:01 AM

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Oh hey. You could use a sturdysquash as double duty. Use it for the tapper and try to grow curious sturdysquash with it to get astronium in order to craft fault finders.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:02 AM

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Oh, the other steel from scrap can be turned into a probe scanner to scrap it

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:02 AM

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Sweet.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:02 AM

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rotund geyser Since you're using creative to test anyway, may as well spawn in more power.

Yeah might as well

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:04 AM

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Then after you get enough astronium, trade it for dynamite then blow up some pumpkin shelters for more sturdysquash seeds.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:04 AM

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Ohh, that means sturdy squash can give access to the entire trading platform catelogue

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:05 AM

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Fault finders probably don't work in space, though. :/

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:06 AM

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Hm.. I think it just needs to be placed on soil

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But if its like the Atmospheric Condensor, dead end.

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Activating a FF in space would be wild

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:07 AM

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rose phoenix Oh, the other steel from scrap can be turned into a probe scanner to scrap it

That Steel got me an extra scrap n a half 😆

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:07 AM

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Sweet.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:07 AM

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Wont need to scrap anything else or need another slot for the Small Printer

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:08 AM

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Talk about being...resourceful.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:08 AM

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Aw man the trade rocket knocked my perfect placement of the shelter & printer platform 😂

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:08 AM

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rotund geyser Talk about being...resourceful.

Give me those mission rewards

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:09 AM

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Too bad missions are disabled in a world that had creative mode on at any point.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:09 AM

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Huh, i could also make more power as soon as i get the plant up. I have extra compound to put into generators to burn the organic

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:10 AM

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rotund geyser Too bad missions are disabled in a world that had creative mode on at any point.

No matter, i plan to do this in survival eventually

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I wanted to do it all in survival(after setup in creative) but mistakes were inevitable on the first attempt

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Oh no

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Chem lab!!!

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:11 AM

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Ah...

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Need a space for another fault finder, then.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:11 AM

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Aluminum alloy because Paver was condensed

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:12 AM

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rotund geyser Need a space for another fault finder, then.

At that point it'd be better to bring it prepacked

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:12 AM

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Right.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:12 AM

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Maybe the extra silicone can be scrapped instead

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Well this attempt is very very scuffed

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:13 AM

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Silicone does give 1 scrap.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:13 AM

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i'll just hurry it up and cheat the rest since im pretty much there

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Will have to rethink the list but i've no doubt its possible now

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:13 AM

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Do you have an inventory space for the seed?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:13 AM

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I'm pretty certain there will be one space leftover

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:14 AM

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If you do without the extra qtrtg. But don't you need that space for the paver?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:18 AM

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I'll switch out the qt-rtg & portable oxygen for the shelter, giving me a free slot for the Paver. Then the seed can probably be slotted in by replacing the qt-rtg, you'd have to carefully work out what to craft first so you can scrap excess

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So problem #25, i think i'm too far from the planet i launched from

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:20 AM

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Hm?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:20 AM

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In the screenshots i'm upside down compared to everything i place

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:21 AM

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Yeah?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:21 AM

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I'm trying to use the crane to place soil, and despite testing it before, now its not working

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:22 AM

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Is it normally finicky?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:22 AM

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So i can only assume that at a certain point when your gravity is flipped, the crane method doesnt work

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:24 AM

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rotund geyser Is it normally finicky?

Not sure but i tested it after making a sky ramp, and then going off to the side. It worked without fail after replacing the rail post. But this is my first time trying it after launching/flinging myself straight up instead. If i wait a bit less time i shouldn't be flipped like this, so i'll have to try again to verify that

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I'm gonna try flying closer to see if i'm not that far from the planet beforehand though

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Couldb't get close enough, so i tried a new launch, i turned sideways, but it was able to work.

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So maybe as long as u dont turn upside down?

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:44 AM

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Perhaps floating point inaccuracy shifted the valid location to place the soil?

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@rose phoenixThis seems plausible to me.

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Could be some distance away from the expected location.

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You're familiar with the "sticky boots" bug, correct?

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That's due to floating point errors iirc.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:46 AM

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Nope, first time hearing it

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:46 AM

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The further away from the origin you are, the greater the inaccuracy of your position and movement.

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It's why planets had to be moved around, so sticky boots wouldnt be as much of a problem.

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Sticky boots happened most often on planets furthest away from the origin, also known as x0, y0, z0.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:48 AM

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That could explain how i'm suddenly orientated in the wrong direction entirely

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:49 AM

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You're just not near any planet, so your orientation probably gets flipped to the global "upright" orientation.

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Or universal north, if you prefer.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:51 AM

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That makes sense

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:53 AM

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While I've never been involved in programming or game development, I have a lot of firsthand and secondhand experience with how games work. So I have a good intuition of how game engines work and how they bend or break, so to speak.

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I'm not always right, but my calculated guesses are usually pretty accurate.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 8:58 AM

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I'm not great at it but i defintely have programming and game dev knowledge, but i never got to truly make a game before i fell out of it 🤷

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 8:59 AM

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I have enough game sense and programming intuition I probably could learn how to make a game, if I had a reason to do so.

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Closest thing I've done to programming is creating lua and batch scripts, though. lol

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I've also modified some json arguments.

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Anyway, how's the testing going?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:04 AM

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Just started testing, will let you know in a bit

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:30 AM

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After starting with just 1 rtg, and scrapping things in a better order, i'm left needing 1 more scrap. I have a but of scrap in the shredder & these items left. The items on the terrain tool are for the crane

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@rotund geyser

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I cant use the extra silicone for scrap yet as i need to turn it into something scrappable, the printer i'm done using for now, and the compound and resin fan probably be turned into tethers & soil canister, respectively.

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Just a matter of what do i give up

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I chose to scrap the resin & printer for the time being. As i cant do much with 1 resin, and i dont think i'll need the small printer until i get to seed growth

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That gets me the crane, and an extra compound ~~i could use for a small generator~~ actually if i get 1 more scrap, then i can get a large printer, which i need anyways

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Successfully got to seed growth with these items

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Tapper requires 1 aluminum so something here will need to be scrapped. Potentially the plat B?

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:40 AM

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That would require dynamite and a large shredder.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:41 AM

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Ah its too big, forgot that needs large shredder

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:41 AM

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rotund geyser That would require dynamite and a large shredder.

Small plat B can go in large shredder without being blown up prior

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:41 AM

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It would sting a bit, but you could scrap the portable smelting furnace for 2 scrap.

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Maybe you could make a smelting furnace with the leftovers?

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Ah. but you'd need the portable smelting furnace for the laterite.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:42 AM

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That would be an option if it werent for needing to smel- yep.

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:43 AM

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Shred the last qtrtg?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:43 AM

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I can use the soil canister up to make a platform and shred the empty can

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:43 AM

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rotund geyser Shred the last qtrtg?

Only have 1 now, remember?

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:43 AM

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Ah. Right.

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Soil canister is .25 scrap iirc.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:44 AM

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So up to .5 with tethers from the extra compound

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Still need .5 🤔

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If only i could shred the silicone

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:45 AM

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What do you need the silicone for again?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:46 AM

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Nothing, it's the leftover silicone

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:46 AM

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The first one.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:46 AM

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The crane

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:46 AM

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Ah. Right.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:46 AM

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Even shredding the last rail post doesnt get me the scrap

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:47 AM

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List what we're down to now.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:47 AM

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Unpacked Portable Shelter, Small Plat B, Medium Printer, Medium Scrapper, Rail Car, Portable Furnace, & Trade Platform

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Oh and crane... and paver 😅

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:48 AM

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You can attach a qtrtg to the rail car, correct?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:48 AM

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rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:48 AM

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rotund geyser You can attach a qtrtg to the rail car, correct?

Yes

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:48 AM

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Is the rail car a small or medium box?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:49 AM

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Med sadly

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:49 AM

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Ah. Right.

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What if we added a soil centrifuge into the equation?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:53 AM

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That would require alot of rework, and bringing more soil cans

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:54 AM

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Two compound and one aluminum for the initial crafting, then full soil canisters for compound and resin.

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Each soil canister would be 4 compound or resin.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:54 AM

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But you'd need to craft the rail post & rail car to use it beforehand

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:54 AM

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Which is double what you get with scrap.

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Hard to beat four to one scrap, though.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:55 AM

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Field Shelter
Small Platform B (Packed)
Medium Printer (Packed)
Portable Smelter
Medium Shredder (Packed)
Paver (Packed)
Soil Canister (Full, stored in Leveling Block recipe)
Seed
Trade Station:
Iron
Tungsten
Exo Chip
Qt-rtg -> 4 Scrap
Fault Finder (Pre-Activated) -> 2 Silicon
Fault Finder (Pre-Activated) -> 2 Steel

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I'm not sure if anything is removable at this point

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Yeah.

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I was thinking if a bit more scrap can be crammed in, then it'd be possible but 1:4 scrap is already the best for a single item no?

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 9:56 AM

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I believe so.

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You know how to dupe soil?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 9:58 AM

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Only heard of the gateway glitch from you, i believe

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Wow to think we're gated by a single slot after all this 😬

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:07 AM

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Exo request platform with pending rewards?

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Do you dig up more or less soil than you place?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:13 AM

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Dang it. I was going to say we win anyways, by switching the seed out for another qt-rtg. I thought it would be enough for a landing pad & shuttle but again 1 scrap short for the 2 ceramic.

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Technically it would be possible if you never enter the shelter and die (to respawn back on planet)

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Or have a friend come to you after placing the landing pad

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Since u can redirect one of the 2 scrap that's for the shuttle, to the ceramic that the landing padd needs instead

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:14 AM

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rotund geyser Do you dig up more or less soil than you place?

I'll come back to you on that when i get back in space for another attempt.

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Would be interesting if the crane doesnt use soil or uses less soil when placing

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:17 AM

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rotund geyser Do you dig up more or less soil than you place?

Just tested. It's less.

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What about just placing the landing pad, dropping resources, then taking a shuttle or performing another launch with more resources?

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Placing a beacon on the landing pad if you decide to launch again, in order to try to aim for it.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:20 AM

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Yeah that's what i mean by making sure u never enter the shelter (which sets your spawn), so u can respawn on the planet and bring more resources

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If u enter the shelter, i dont believe there's a way to ever get back to the planet 😅

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:20 AM

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iirc you respawn at the nearest shelter/shuttle. Regardless of if you entered it or not.

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Though you can force respawn at starting point.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:21 AM

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Well u could if u make the shuttle, but u wont get back to that place without the landing pad. But good to know, if u mess up and need to protect the save

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:21 AM

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rotund geyser Though you can force respawn at starting point.

Oh you're right.

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Nvm about what i said then

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Praise the random game features that save odd challenges like this

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:22 AM

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I'd deploy the landing pad and place a beacon, drop the resources you brought with you, respawn, then use a shuttle to bring the rest.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:23 AM

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Im also re-doing the simulation of it to see if i made a mistake somewhere

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:23 AM

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rotund geyser I'd deploy the landing pad and place a beacon, drop the resources you brought wi...

That should work, hopefully

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:26 AM

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Or just do it the easy way and use a large rover with hydrazine thrusters.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:27 AM

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😭

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:27 AM

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The easy way doesn't seem like your thing, though. lol

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:28 AM

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Not at all

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:28 AM

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But yeah. That's how most people set up space bases/stations.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:28 AM

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Once i find a bit of leeway to do a harder thing, i'll stick to it or give up

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doesnt feel as satisfying to settle for a cop out after trying so hard

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:29 AM

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I'm probably somewhere in the middle. I'll increase difficulty unless it feels arbitrary or pointless.

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Difficulty has to have purpose, in my opinion.

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I hate when higher difficulty just increases enemy health and decreases your health.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:31 AM

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Alright so before using scrap for any of the main materials, i have 9 scrap to work with. 1 is traded for 2 compound, of which one goes towards a small printer to make a rail post, and the other towards a large printer.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:31 AM

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rotund geyser I hate when higher difficulty just increases enemy health and decreases your hea...

Really cheap way to increase difficulty for sure

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I use up 2 Scrap to make a rail post bundle, but scrapping the other 9 posts gets me another scrap. So now i'm at 7 scrap, with an extra resin

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Halfway towards another Scrap

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Oh no. I forgot about thrusters 💀

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Well i guess even if i mistakenly used a scrap earlier, it's up to death strats to do this in the end

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:36 AM

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Thrusters?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:37 AM

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I'm seeing if i can the 1 remaining scrap i needed to make a shuttle and landing pad but i forgot to launch u need a thruster

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So i need another slot or 3 more scrap total

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:37 AM

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Forget about the shuttle and landing pad for now?

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Does that net you any scrap?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:38 AM

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That gets me 4 scrap but only because i dropped the seed from earlier

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Unless re-doing this magically gets me another scrap over that

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:38 AM

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And you said shelters don't generate soil in space.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:39 AM

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Not nearly as far as the Crane trick does. I made a sky ramp and kept placing shelters until it stopped placing soil, and i barely even got to see the planet shrinking behind me before it couldnt place soil

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:43 AM

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I'm satisfied we're only one inventory slot short. Didn't think we'd even get that close lol.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:44 AM

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Ok back to seed plan. I have an idea. What if i reorder the things i trade for so aluminum isnt the last item?

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If possible?

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:44 AM

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Perhaps.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:44 AM

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Then i could safely scrap the portable furnace

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:44 AM

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That just might work.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:44 AM

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rotund geyser I'm satisfied we're only one inventory slot short. Didn't think we'd even get th...

I'm defintely happy too, dont get me wrong. I just want to keep trying 😅

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I'll have to redo this again then 😂

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:45 AM

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Test on the ground with creative.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:45 AM

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Yep ive been doing that

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:46 AM

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Remember you can copy platforms and silos with their contents. Use that to create a blueprint of your chosen inventory.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:47 AM

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That i know thankfully!

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I saved the items on a silo so i can quickly start a new test

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:49 AM

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Figured I may as well friend you at this point lol.

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Mind if I join you to help test?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:49 AM

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I'm good with that lol

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:50 AM

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rotund geyser Mind if I join you to help test?

I haven't had anyone join my world yet, do i need to do anything or can u join as is?

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:50 AM

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I think you just need to add me as a friend on Steam.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:51 AM

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Check your invitations

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Nice

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:53 AM

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I also sent you a friend request on discord.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:53 AM

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Oh gotcha, i dont get notifs for that oddly

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:54 AM

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Seem to be unable to join you.

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I wonder if your router is blocking the incoming traffic. May need to port forward the game.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:55 AM

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Oh right. Are you on Windows?

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:55 AM

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Linux.

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I may have to switch to windows lol.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:56 AM

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Ah, no no. I'm on Linux too- Steam Deck actually

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:56 AM

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Same.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:56 AM

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Whoa sick

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I could stream the game from windows and see if that works, or i can try to join from yours

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:58 AM

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I installed Windows 11 onto a micro SD card in a "windows to go" like install using a program called Rufus. That way I can just pop it in and boot into windows for software that refuses to run on linux for some arbitrary reason.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 10:58 AM

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I think i'll eventually do something like that if i really need to

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Since i already have a pc though, Streaming works alright, only until i switch that over to Linux too i guess

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 10:59 AM

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Just have to hold minus when powering on the steam deck to select the micro SD card as the boot device.

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Native hardware is usually a better experience compared to streaming, though.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:01 AM

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Some weird issues like the screen freaking out when is used touchscreen while streaming, so yeah.

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Should i try switching over to Windows or should i join your game? I did try to port forward with our router a while back but couldn't get it to work.

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If port forwarding is the issue in this case, no clue if theres a different issue

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:02 AM

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I'll just copy your inventory from the list.

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You can try joining me, if you want.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:03 AM

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I'll see if it lets me

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Ah, not joinable either

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Odd

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Oh well, no co op 😅

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Cant seem to find any helpful information in the discord for this

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:12 AM

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Ah. Try putting an item on the portable smelting furnace.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:12 AM

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OH

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You can just put another rtg on it!!

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:13 AM

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Or anything else, for that matter.

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I'm embarrassed I didn't think of that sooner lol.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:14 AM

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I even do this all the time on SMS 😭

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:14 AM

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What's SMS?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:15 AM

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One of the challenges i did, The one that evolved into no digging too lol

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:16 AM

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This should work now, right?

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:16 AM

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I really hope so

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There was only 1 scrap blocking me from tapper should it should be possible

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:17 AM

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And now you'll have 3 scrap to spare.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:17 AM

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And honestly tapper could be skipped to avoid infinite resources via tapper, since 3 scrap is what i needed to make shuttle+thruster+landing pad

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But the tapper would allow never going back to planet lol

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:18 AM

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You deserve infinite resources at that point lol.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:18 AM

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😂 not wrong at all

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:23 AM

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rose phoenix Ok back to seed plan. I have an idea. What if i reorder the things i trade for s...

It worked! I even got an extra scrap leftover

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Dont even need the extra slot

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Extra slot could be a qt-rtg, but actually for power lol

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So... we basically just figured out a way to carry an entire self sufficient scrap base that can be built on literally nothing- ie: space. All within a single inventory.

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:29 AM

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Yup.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:30 AM

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Oh, the only downside is it only has 1 soil canister's worth of ground

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I guess that could be a better use for the extra slot. More ground space?

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Not really needed but 🤷

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:33 AM

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Now to put it into practice.

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Could also just put a tapper in the extra slot lol.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:39 AM

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True, but more soil!

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:39 AM

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rotund geyser Now to put it into practice.

Exactly the plan. Lets see if i can get a good launch first try

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:40 AM

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How about recording it?

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You can record natively in Steam now.

rose phoenix Dec 25, 2024, 11:40 AM

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Yep, will do

rotund geyser Dec 25, 2024, 11:41 AM

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Actually, mind streaming it?

#Brainstorming crazy ideas thread.