#[Duskruin] Aggro Culture

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cloud quiver
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Have you ever wondered what happens to the bloodied weapons, shields, and armor removed from your fallen opponents in the Duskruin Arena? Have you screamed in delight as you land a hit so bloody your opponent slams to the floor, dead as a salmon bear snack? What about having an uncontrollable urge to make that mangy bandit marauder even more dead, only to think it's a little bit late for that? Have you stamped in angry annoyance as you swing and make a clean miss?

...You probably get the idea, but if these sound familiar you might want to swing by Aggro Culture to browse and add a weapon to your bandolier that will help channel those feelings into something more useful.

wintry bridge
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Angry weapons! I want to know more!

gray basin
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i don’t feel aggro, but i want to

jade leaf
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My warrior needs this on her claid. So tiny, but so ragey.

unreal kraken
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These weapons will help us beat on something that's already dead? Scripted so I yell "pickpocketing flag!" as I attack?

rare oyster
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Aggressive kombucha (or sourdough).

inner leaf
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I can't wait to hear the loresong on these...

inner leaf
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I tried to set him up for just that!

mental surge
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I'm curious what these actually do. I'd hope if its just messaging that it would be a flourish option.

cloud quiver
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Getting really warm! ```If you are fully trained and in an aggressive stance, the aggro weapon will earn aggression based on combat actions. Missing a target, getting injured, scoring a bloody hit, making a kill, or mutilating a corpse are all actions that will feed into your anger and help fill the weapon with aggression. The exact amount is a mystery but is based on the creature's level -- too low level or too high level and you'll naturally feel unchallenged by the creature, reducing or eliminating entirely the amount of aggression you earn.

Aggression gradually fades, quicker at higher levels of aggression, if you fail to make any aggression-earning combat activities.```

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I'm hopeful I'll have the full wiki page up tomorrow sometime.

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But happy to share a few more teasers!

inner leaf
cloud quiver
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We're talking you just put that mangy bandy down... for good, but you've not yet forgotten that it made you choke blood for what seemed like 30 seconds or more... so you Perhaps influenced by an aggressively large runestaff, you clench down on it, unable to keep your aggression in check. Losing control, you unleash a furious display on a mangy bandy! What little was left of the corpse after a gory battle gets pummeled, with bits of a bandit splattering across everything in the vicinity. When nothing but a savage mess remains, you feel further emboldened by the vicious display!

grand yew
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Gruesome

inner leaf
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👀

And I thought Luxie dancing around the dead corpse in the Arena was ... out there.

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This needs to be a flourish!

cloud quiver
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More questions!

wintry bridge
mental surge
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I mean, is it just flavor or are there mechanical benefits to aggression?

inner leaf
inner leaf
cloud quiver
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The blacksmith is more altruistic than that, but it does take a little time.

cloud quiver
mental surge
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sigh Love the flavor as an Eorgina follower but not giving up blink flares for it.

inner leaf
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That's the beginning of the Aggro Flourish Request thread, right there.

cloud quiver
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Natural synergy, for sure.

mental surge
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If aggro weapons fueled the rage AS bonus I'd certainly consider it then

dry quail
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Can we still loot/skin after bashing a corpse?

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Do we need a bless to bash dead undead?

cloud quiver
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Good questions! At the moment there are no specific types excluded; somehow the blacksmith's special alloy fortifies even things like runestaves and bows. However, that doesn't mean all types will be available in the shop at first. You can still loot/skin after bashing a corpse, and it doesn't need to be blessed to bash it, although.... 🤔

I quickly put together info for Tier 1: https://gswiki.play.net/Aggro_Weapon

rare oyster
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This is feeling like rage armor flourish for weapons (off to read).

cloud quiver
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I'll need to fight more with MediaWiki a little later/tomorrow.

mental surge
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Do these abilities have a CD?

cloud quiver
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No cooldown, but there is a reasonable limit to how much you can earn from each creature.

wintry bridge
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Oh wow okay so these things are elaborate

cloud quiver
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Added some messaging to the page for how prod keeps you attuned to the ebb and flow of your aggression.

cloud quiver
wintry bridge
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So the short version is you can build up aggression by doing a bunch of stuff including crushing corpses to bits, and then you can spend aggression for AS/CS buffs, AOE slows, and large one shot AS/CS buffs

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And there’s actually a wrayth UI window to tell you how much aggression you have

cloud quiver
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Yep! And that's just off the shelf.

wintry bridge
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It says that if you are dual wielding aggro weapons your aggro will divide between them so presumably they each have their own pool

cloud quiver
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Correct, each weapon has a pool of aggression that will accumulate.

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But you won't earn 2x the aggression for the same combat activity

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Only your anger fuels these!

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I don't know about you, but I'm even more angry with popped muscles.

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No, but you need to be proficient with the weapon type so you're not passively gaining aggro for things like spell attacks.

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For example, wearing UCS gloves/boots but you don't know how to do that. And for mages, the standard runestaff training approach applies.

rare oyster
cloud quiver
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Other than the messaging changes depending on the verb, no. But some rooms trap growl, unfortunately.

wintry bridge
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Does whacking a body prevent you from looting/skinning

cloud quiver
mental surge
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I assume you can't be trained in brawling, wearing aggro gloves, but using a blunt weapon you're also trained in to earn aggro for the gloves and use the gloves to pump up your AS for your blunt weapon or other held weapon?

Basically you can't use aggro gloves to boost the AS of a different weapon you're holding

cloud quiver
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You can, but in that scenario it'll take longer across the weapons to accumulate enough to to make it worth it

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And you can't double up the same ability (use Frenzy from two different weapons for twice the benefits)

mental surge
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I mean like my held weapon doesn't have the aggro script perio.d

cloud quiver
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Gotcha, no for UCS specifically you need to be doing unarmed combat.

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(Have empty hands)

next brook
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gloves and boots? I need a nice set for UCS

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Maybe gloves paired with the new twisted kicks

mental surge
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Aggro must be sort of tough to earn, definitely not quick enough to maintain a constant +20AS/+12CS

next brook
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Assuming UCS bonus goes to UAF and not MM?
(ill take 20 MM > 50 UAF)

sage harness
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Yeah I think most of this definitely depends on how quick aggression builds and any other CDs for things, etc.

potent lagoon
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I may need to revisit the angry wizard and see if this can cohabitate with his sigil stuff

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how angy do you get when you miss volley?

next brook
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Also, Too High Level? What does that effect? Can't uphunt and stay aggressive?

gray basin
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so fo real real you gonna let us add this via flourish or something riggggghhhttt? 🙏

stuck hornet
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The stance based component makes me think a warding caster is not really the target demographic

gray basin
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yeah it’s probably a script add, but ya know what i mean 😁

inner leaf
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In order to use these weapons effectively, you must be at least 1x trained in each weapon's corresponding skill.

And what about runesticks?

cloud quiver
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2x THW training! 🤪

inner leaf
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No way, are you kidding me?! You must be!

cloud quiver
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Haha yeah, as I mentioned above, the standard magical skills training. I believe it’s 8x skills/spells per training.

inner leaf
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... goes to calculate her poor, expensive magic skiills.

cloud quiver
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I think aggro is reasonable to earn. Some will be pretty easy to determine, such as how much for making a kill. It is critical weighting for Final Straw, and it is a full script, not a Flourish.

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For the most part it trails off over and under hunting given the nature of how thematic and balanced that would be. Swinging away at a 10+ creature is going to make you scared, not angry! But naturally you’d also miss a lot too….

inner leaf
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Whew, ok, magic training looks OK. It's back on the consideration block!

wintry bridge
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Do you get both the AS and CS boost when activated?

inner leaf
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Now, if ONLY my Holy Sheath would hold more than 1 little runestick!

cloud token
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Do we get CS boosts even if using a melee weapon? This would be a really solid option for bards if so.

cloud quiver
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Yep, both abilities always give both the attack and acuity bonus.

wintry bridge
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Wait it’s punk rock

inner leaf
cloud token
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Really cool mechanical design. It very much reminds me of Energy Weapons, which I like a lot, except that you get AS and CS instead of stronger flares by storing and releasing your charged resource.

(I will say that my brain can't handle the fact that this script can go on runestaves, though, but that's my problem. 😂)

grand yew
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Curious to see what the T4 does. Sort of clear what T2 and T3 will do based on the skills from the wiki

cloud quiver
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Heh, don’t you worry about ascension hunting!

cloud quiver
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It's not the Confused effect (where they also may stumble and attack wildly). They slow down because they're bewildered and stare blankly at your unexpected burst of anger. It is subject to a SMR. I was able to get the rest of the tiers on the wiki, need to polish it up still though.

wintry bridge
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thanks for getting all the info up there!

gray basin
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wowza

cloud quiver
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Of course, sorry for the drawn out teasers!

wintry bridge
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okay very quick summary

* Get aggression points by missing, getting hit, scoring a bloody hit, getting a kill, or mutilating a corpse (special weapon ability that gives RT, does not destroy loot). Spend aggression points to activate abilities -- the more points you have, the better the benefits!
* T1: Frenzy - +AS/+CS for 30 sec (up to +20/+12)
* T1: Furor Focus - AOE SMR slow
* T1: Final Straw - +50 AS/+30 CS and +20 CER for ONE HIT
* T2: Bloodlust - double aggression earned for a duration
* T2: Bloodbath - Final Straw for ONE AOE (five targets)
* T3: Bulwark - +DS/+TD for 30 sec (up to +20/+12)
* T3: Serenity - store aggression to get back later
* T4: Blood Focus - passive +AS/+CS based on your aggression level (up to +10/+6)```
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if you activated frenzy and final straw you would have +70 AS and +20 CER for one attack

unreal kraken
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It says you must be 1x in a weapon, percentage based on training. If you're 2x do you get 200% aggro?

cloud quiver
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No, you should be fully trained for the weapon, so for example a Wizard would only be able to get 50% for an edged weapon. Fully train means you get the full amount for the combat action.

cloud quiver
unreal kraken
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In order to use these weapons effectively, you must be at least 1x trained in each weapon's corresponding skill. so does this mean if you're not 1x in a weapon you can't accumulate aggro?

cloud quiver
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I agree about the analyze and confuse, will adjust that.

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You can accumulate aggro, it'll just be adjusted to the percentage of your proficiency in the weapon.

unreal kraken
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Also, does it account for enhancives, ascension for weapon training?

cloud quiver
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Yes, it should.

worthy perch
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is the CER bonus from Final Straw applicable to CS based warding spells? Or just melee, ranged and magic bolts?

cloud quiver
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Just the standard weighting, no bonus to spells unaffected by standard CER weighting.

unreal kraken
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Any word on pricing or if adds available through HESS?

wintry bridge
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sorry, is it crit weighting or damage weighting?

velvet mirage
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Are you able to put these on test? The make or break is going to be aggression accumulation IMO

potent lagoon
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it would be nice to have them mirrored on test and have the books available to we can upgrade them

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you angy
you really angy
How. Dare...
Don't make me turn this game around!
That's it <server crash>

cloud quiver
# unreal kraken Any word on pricing or if adds available through HESS?

The blacksmith is ummm… blunt instrument, does not count well. It’s Crit Weighting, I’ll add that to the wiki. I’m not sure about Test, I think that would be nice. I’ll need to ask. Only 45 aggression can be stored and it fades, I can put some details about the rate to help.

potent lagoon
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I think DR is mirrored there and you can access the grounds during the event, but I don't know what is actually there vs not active on live.

cloud quiver
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Bingo!

potent lagoon
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Duffield's mind has been sufficiently blown.

cloud quiver
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Only that one because of the Tier 2 ability.

rare oyster
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Would you be willing to point the initial link and follow up answers, please?

wintry bridge
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yeah I was a little unclear about that too, I wrote "one aoe" in the summary but I wasn't actually sure

cloud quiver
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You guys are sharp, for Bloodbath it's up to 5 targets in an AOE attack. The analyze could be clearer for that.

dry quail
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This is like a Retser script (complimentary)

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I kind of wish I could just get the corpse bashing function as a flourish

glad wagon
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if they ever allowed dual scripts on weapon my warrior would be all over this, take my money!

stoic epoch
stuck hornet
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How about Bewilder

stoic epoch
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ALso - do we know what weapon types will be available? Bows/Xbows? Hook-knives?

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Ok - just kidding about the hook-knife! I already have a few of those that are upgraded!

stoic epoch
stoic yew
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i suspect this will be ideal for aoe attacks... so if an empath uses empathic link (1117) and then hits a target, causing it to propagate the damage, will the other targets also generate aggro?

lament patio
lament patio
stoic epoch
stoic yew
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yeah, that would probably be a dealbreaker for me looking at this, without weapon techniques or MoC

next brook
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250k BS OTS 🙃
Idk for sure though, my guess

jade leaf
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Oh man, our own Craven Edge

sage harness
stoic epoch
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I raise you...5-10k OTS and rising cost from 10k-50k BS for tiers

runic cove
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I really, really hope this is available to add through HESS...it will immediately replace my current script add choice!

sage harness
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I do just want to say, i appreciate we're trying something besides another script damage flare (which i do love, for the record). I don't know how the market will end up valuing these (i think any new script is a tough sale regardless these days, and especially so if it's even minimal active management), and the aggro gen will certainly be a big factor here we need to know really. But it's still nice to see something different, and also that kinda favors more towards larger/slower weapons (whereas the flarestone bonanza has disproportionately buffed smaller/faster ones by comparison to unga bunga smash weapons)

near lake
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This has thrown a potential wrench into my plans, I thought I was pretty set on going parasite for my warpath, but this script sounds pretty fun!

stoic epoch
brazen crow
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mostly just 💯 for the wiki page already, and it being nice and clear

desert fiber
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I didnt read all the replies but can you 1x OHE aggro skinning dagger in left and normal runestaff in right?

wintry bridge
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Your runestaff DS wouldn’t work with a knife in the offhand

stuck hornet
desert fiber
cloud quiver
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Thanks for the help re-organizing the wiki page! I added a FAQ section and indicated some of the changes to analyze as it tiers up.

potent lagoon
cloud quiver
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Also, I hear the plan is still to open up Test after the event opens.

sage harness
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Rage meter should fill up if you get hit by an open roll over 150

cloud quiver
potent lagoon
cloud quiver
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I think it's still being determined, but hopefully soon. Maybe I can help delay by sharing something I forgot to mention - you should mutilate creatures before skinning them if you want, otherwise you might find that Skinned and heavily injured from the fight, the exposed innards and disgusting mess of the a triton fanatic weaken your desire to mutilate it further.

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Clench will also try to find a mutilatable creature automatically.

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You can still smash and then skin.

next brook
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Without damaging the skin? Nice!

next brook
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what about cmans that don't use the weapon, such as sweep or bearhug/tackle?

Also, only weapons, or shields and armor too?

stoic epoch
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I’m trying to think if animal gloves build affinity if you use sweep.

potent lagoon
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aggro bellybutton stud, pin worn, comes with a complimentary tramp stamp tattoo.

gray basin
stuck hornet
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Causing a fuss down at the Ag Hall

wanton quest
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What about people are just annoying all the time do they get an aggro modifier?

cloud quiver
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If there is a weapon in the context of the attack and it's an aggro weapon it will earn it, so flares and flourish should. But if there's another weapon used as part of the attack that isn't one, it will not. For other types of attacks like spells or CMANs, yes, but restricted to all the things discussed (need to be trained, valid equipped weapon, UCS constraints, divided equally as opposed to doubling up, stance, creature limits, etc.).

ornate gulch
cloud quiver
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It.....shouldn't 🫣

cloud quiver
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With Duskruin open on test, I can hand out a few weapons (falchion, runestaff, lance, bow, gloves, or boots) if anyone wants to test them..on Test. I don't have a ton of time, but I'm at the Arena Entrance.

velvet mirage
cloud quiver
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Nope, room 8213001

potent lagoon
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he was very visible when I blew past him ^_^

dry quail
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@supple oasis wake up!

potent lagoon
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if anyone misses the opportunity, I have a runestaff available for you to play with fully unlocked.

supple oasis
dry quail
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Just here to help

glacial sand
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Suggestion, pass multiple weapons to people and they can pass them to others that want to test.

potent lagoon
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yep, enchanting mine at the moment
demo profpoints for profession services

supple oasis
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is there like a simple way to do that on test

velvet mirage
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So, you get a passive AS boost from:

* T4: Blood Focus - passive +AS/+CS based on your aggression level (up to +10/+6)

And it looks like using:

* T1: Frenzy - +AS/+CS for 30 sec (up to +20/+12)

Takes away your "aggression" which reduces the passive, until you kill more things?

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I will say the aggression is earned rather easily, at least in the duskruin arena. I don't think there will be an issue with charges.

cloud quiver
supple oasis
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                   * all 
                   * of
                   * the
                   * things 
scream: You may also activate the abilities of your sword using SCREAM sword WITH [ability name]:
                   * all 
                   * of
                   * the
                   * things  ``` so the analyze doubles up the abilities under both growl and scream.. I think it would be nice if you could just cut this down a bit, since there is no mechanical difference between growl and scream
velvet mirage
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It's nice to have the effects show up in cooldowns.

supple oasis
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some thoughts on the window -

  • I love it
  • any chance we could have the actual number there as well, maybe at the bottom?
  • It's cool when the available skills show up, wondering how it feels to have them all there all the time, and light up as they come available (vs disappearing altogether)
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gaining aggro feels pretty easy, at least in hinterwilds

cloud quiver
supple oasis
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I'm sure also as I get more comfortable using them I wont need it as much.. my first thought is that in reality I will just use skills when I get to 45, maybe if the last dot/row is inverted when full? Something to mimic like a blinking full meter.. so that visually I know I am at 45 and can fire something off -- there is the yellow messaging that pops up I know, but I think a visual cue in the window for full aggro would be perfect

velvet mirage
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Has the price been listed somewhere?

I think this is actually decent competition to the surita sigil combo.

supple oasis
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pricing has not been listed yet

wintry bridge
velvet mirage
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It's potentially a persistent +18 CS vs the double cast of the sigil.

potent lagoon
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man, those double casts are hard to pass on, but it's a pretty sweet script

velvet mirage
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The double cast is wasted if it dies in 1.

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I should stop talking about this, it's going to make it more expensive.

supple oasis
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alright Ive been testing in HW.. are there partial aggro points? Seems like golems I only get aggro for killing, nothing for damaging (is there a min damage to get aggro?)

wintry bridge
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Golems don’t bleed, that might be the issue; or it could be that they have a prodigious amount of health and your hits aren’t doing enough

supple oasis
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also something seems, hmm, off with earning aggro off an AOE

potent lagoon
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either my equipment is terrible or I just need to keep leveling ascension because my combat stats are just horrible.

supple oasis
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>weap wh
Twisting and spinning among your foes, you lash out again and again with the force of a reaping whirlwind!
[SMR result: 165 (Open d100: 24, Bonus: 97)]
You turn and sweep your twohanded sword at an immense gold-bristled hinterboar!
   ... and hit for 205 points of damage!
   Powerful slash leaves the gold-bristled hinterboar without a left leg!
   An immense gold-bristled hinterboar falls to the ground grasping its mangled left leg!
   The gold-bristled hinterboar is stunned!
You turn and sweep your twohanded sword at a savage fork-tongued wendigo!
   ... and hit for 188 points of damage!
   The fork-tongued wendigo twists away but is caught with a hard slash!
   Back is broken!
   The fork-tongued wendigo is knocked to the ground!
A bloody halfling cannibal is struck in your flurry of sweeping strikes!
   ... and hit for 221 points of damage!
   Gruesome, slashing blow to the side of the halfling cannibal's head!
   Skull split open!  Brain (and life) vanishes in a fine mist.
A monstrous, too-wide smile spreads across the cannibal's face as she collapses to the ground, dead.
Your heart races as you skillfully channel a flurry of combat actions from an extremely bloody battle into a twisting twohanded sword bearing a helical grip adorned with rusty red rubies.  You release some tension as the adrenaline gradually retreats (2 aggression is channeled into your equipment).
!
793 aggression has been channeled into the sword, and 610 has been harnessed to activate abilities.  45 aggression can be restored by rubbing the sword.```
potent lagoon
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I keep getting merked in the arena before I can try any of the neat things out

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just gonna send it and level up ascension, perhaps it will be sufficient

supple oasis
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yeah it looks like MSTRIKE gets me the aggro I would expect, but not from Thrash

supple oasis
potent lagoon
supple oasis
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I haven't felt the need to do the extra mutilating, not mechanically anyway... Maybe if I was at 44. Or if the room was empty. I got RT of 4 and 5. So not a mid battle thing. Next time I test I'll have to see how much uptime on the other boosts I can keep going 😎

potent lagoon
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So, thus far, I am enjoying the interactions that the skills provide, and the boost to AS/DS is pretty nice.

stoic epoch
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Do we know what type of weapons will be available? Did anyone grab a bow/xbow?

potent lagoon
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I did not, but if you ask nice, I'm sure weaves can make it happen when he has a moment free

mental surge
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A script that basically maintains a constant AS and CS buff is pretty powerful. I can't help feeling there's got to be a catch still

stoic epoch
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you have to start over on your weapon! (or wait 1yr)

potent lagoon
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and it does have a cost to maintain

mental surge
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Based on the early testing that cost seems pretty easy

stuck hornet
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Also has a lot of activated abilities (in fact, almost entirely activated, rather than passive, right?) Which will dissuade the "can't write scripts" crew a bit

supple oasis
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I think it's going to be different feelings based on the weapon type.. like twohanded sword is aggro hand over fist (benefitting from those "bloody hits", but UCS took a little longer to get there.

I'd have to keep playing to see what the optimal rotation is, I imagine it's something like, double aggro, final straw, then turn on the AS/DS. And always finish the hunt with 45 to save up. But honestly I think even T2 might be a decent place to take these, depending on pricing.

cloud quiver
mental surge
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I'd say maintain bloodlust, pop frenzy, benefit from focus.

next brook
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Do we have a list of bases being released?

mental surge
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Seemed like someone said all the buffs show up in the window too, which makes writing a script for them trivial.

cloud quiver
# potent lagoon I did not, but if you ask nice, I'm sure weaves can make it happen when he has a...

I think Alastir grabbed one, but I put a "mossbark bow" under the IMTC bench. I'll need to check a little closer after morning work meetings, but Thrash should be okay. It's possible you were maxed out for that creature or based on the creature details the bloody hits just weren't enough. Kind of hoping it'll be interesting determine the earning curves, but in addition to the level their max blood is a factor as well. With golems it could be similar, but will definitely check. I do think there might need to be a little tweaking on the curve depending on the weapon type, for example taking a hit factors in your armor's type not just how much blood you lose.

stoic epoch
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oooh ooh ooh! I wanna grab that bow1

potent lagoon
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if you need an enchant on it let me know
I can pop in and whip out a +5 pretty easy

stoic epoch
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Hmm....I'm fully 1x in ranged on my empath...but says I'm only able to channel 47% of normal aggression...Also - killing things 3-4 levels under me and not getting any aggro from it

nocturne marten
cloud quiver
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I definitely agree, the creature type, weapon type, and crit also should play a factor in my book. But all stuff to build on.

stoic epoch
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This didn't give me any aggression either?

Perhaps compelled by a twisting mossbark bow bearing a helical grip adorned with rusty red rubies, you clench down on it, unable to keep your aggression in check.  Losing control, you unleash a furious display on a krag dweller (LWZ).  You make several satisfying blows, likely ensuring that no matter the sorcery, a krag dweller (LWZ) should never move again.  You feel further emboldened by the vicious display!
Roundtime: 7 sec.```
cloud quiver
stoic epoch
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Yeah but why not 50% aggro at 1x? If 100% is 2x?

cloud quiver
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Good question! I’ll check

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Grabbed your stats/skills so I’ll take a look in a little bit!

potent lagoon
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shouldn't 1x be considered fully trained in a skill?
in terms of other game mechanics and the interest of consistency?

stoic epoch
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Dang... This won't be useable by my empath if it is working as intended. Just killed several things a few levels higher...even did CLENCH at 2 things...1 aggression

potent lagoon
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you wanna try my runestaff and see if it's better for you?

stoic epoch
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No - cause I don't use a runestaff! (but thanks)

nocturne marten
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I wouldn't mind testing a runestaff if there's one about

potent lagoon
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yeah, let me log in

near lake
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1x is fully trained in ranged for an empath!

cloud quiver
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Hehe yep, I’ll need to see if we can relax that!

potent lagoon
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at the arena entrance @nocturne marten

stoic epoch
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Thank you for putting a bow down for me to test! If anyone else wants to test a bow lemme know and I'll pop in and hand it over.

nocturne marten
potent lagoon
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perhaps provide further benefit for being "overtrained" and or ascensioned into the weapon skill as a tradeoff? Something like rage drain falloff?

near lake
cloud quiver
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Thanks for the testing! I’m going to check on your notes.

stoic epoch
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ok! logging in plz meet me in IMT TC, Kaetel

potent lagoon
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demo teleport ftw!

stoic epoch
potent lagoon
#

I have paid it forward, live in power, spread the rage!

nocturne marten
#

Any chance at being able to use lightening notes on these when it goes live?

potent lagoon
#

the analyze says it can be lightened

next brook
cloud quiver
potent lagoon
#

fair enough

cloud quiver
nocturne marten
#

random thing, i know these aren't the ones that will be in the shop but the mossbark runestaff inspect says its made of carmiln

You are fully trained to channel all of your combat aggression into the runestaff.

476 aggression has been channeled into the runestaff, and 184 has been harnessed to activate abilities.

The runestaff is a rune staff that requires skill in twohanded weapons to use effectively.

It looks like this item has been mainly crafted out of carmiln, an uncommon wood.```
dusty parcel
#

Are these weapons still sitting around on test? And/Or does anyone with one of these OHE swords on test have a SwordBelt and could test to see if they fit in them?

stoic epoch
stoic epoch
nocturne marten
mental surge
#

Weaves if you're dropping off any more weapons I'd love a mace or morningstar to play with

stoic epoch
#

Ruse - what is your weapon skill at? I'm guessing you bumped it up via ascension/enhancives

mental surge
#

I'm 25 ranks shy of 2x
50 enhancive, 25 ascension

cloud quiver
dusty parcel
#

Oh nice!

cloud quiver
#

There was a small issue with the training calculation for those not training twice in the skill, but that should be fixed. And the question is out regarding 1x training for pure builds and weapon skills.

#

Cross our fingers. 🤞

stoic epoch
wintry bridge
#

I do think limiting the weapons to half value for warpures is a shame, they probably would love a consistent AS boost

stoic epoch
#

I mean - I would love to just use the abilities within a reasonable timeframe! After killing like 8-9 things I only had 2 aggression. And that was with CLENCHing at some bodies

mental surge
#

Bloodlust at 45 aggro is only lasting 30 seconds instead of 75 like the wiki says

#

You find it difficult to control the energy built up in a twisting vultite morning star after several heated battles!

I assume this is the maxed aggro message. I click bloodlust afterwards and see all my aggro drain from the window but the timer in the Buffs shows 30 second Aggro Weapon Bloodlust

dusty parcel
#

BTW what is the level range to be able to earn aggression? Is it 5 levels above and below? 10?

cloud quiver
mental surge
#

Ok, showing full 75 sec now ty

#

I'm not really having any trouble earning aggro, especially if you pop a bloodlust ASAP.

I'd basically just cycle between bloodlust and frenzy over and over

Going to be heavily dependent on ability to kill fast though. I'd want to dual wield with a blink weapon in 1 hand and this weapon in the main hand.

#

I am having trouble past round 40 in swarm though but standard arena and standard mobs shouldnt be an issue.

stoic epoch
#

I feel like I'm really not understanding the "aggression" and "aggro" as shown by INSPECT

|                                   Aggro Bow Tier 4                                   |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|   Tier 1    |  Tier 2   |  Tier 3  |   Tier 4    |               Aggro               |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Final Straw | Bloodbath | Serenity |             | .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   . |
|             |           |          |             |   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .   |
|             |           |          |             |     .   .   .   .   .   .   .     |
| Furor Focus |           |          |             |       .   .   .   .   .   .       |
|             |           |          |             |         .   .   .   .   .         |
|             |           |          |             |           .   .   .   .           |
|   Frenzy    | Bloodlust | Bulwark  |             |             .   .   .             |
|             |           |          | Blood Focus |               ~   .               |
|             |           |          |             |                 ~                 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You are not fully trained to channel your combat aggression into the bow.  You will be able to channel 53% of the normal aggression earned from combat actions into the bow.

16 aggression has been channeled into the bow, and 45 has been harnessed to activate abilities.```
mental surge
#

Its better if you open the window with sense

dusty parcel
cloud quiver
# mental surge Its better if you open the window with sense

Yeah, it's like a little progress bar that "fills up". The lower message gives you your all time accumulation and usage (might be nice to give a way to reset that). Note that it's weird in Oamir's case because they were helping me gather some data. 🙂 The first message is a more "thematic" message which changes based on the amount you have. Empty stands and arena = 0.

stoic epoch
#

I think this message is throwing me off?
Your heart races as you skillfully channel a flurry of combat actions from an extremely bloody battle into a twisting mossbark bow bearing a helical grip adorned with rusty red rubies. You release some tension as the adrenaline gradually retreats (1 aggression is channeled into your equipment). The aggression doesn't like...fuel my aggro does it?

cloud quiver
#

That's how much you earned for that set of combat, it's like you're redirecting your anger into the weapon to fuel you later. Or at least that's what I was going for. 😆

stoic epoch
#

So what is the number in the inspect that we look at to determine if we can RUB and how much we'll get?

#

yeah - I did switch to SENSE but I was also trying to figure out useful information within INSPECT

mental surge
# 
                fput "scream morning with bloodlust"
   end
            if !Effects::Buffs.active?("Aggro Weapon Frenzy")
                fput "scream morning with frenzy"
   end```
Added this in tdusk loop. Working fine to maintain buffs
cloud quiver
#

That's right, the current total is only reflected in the pips and the "flavorful" message at the top of inspect. The lower number is your all-time numbers (accumulated and usage).

mental surge
#

Having an option for a straight numerical Aggro number would help immensely.

A buff that is "Aggro Weapon Aggro +1-45"

cloud quiver
#

That's the top level of your liquid blood filled vial. 🤪

stoic epoch
#

I don't think I ever got to enough aggro to do anything more than frenzy/blood lust/bulwark at the first tier. Not sure if I just kill too slow or was just suing it up too fast but yeah. Will need to keep playing with it.

mental surge
#

Gotta kill, most of the aggro seems to gen on monster death

#

Your heart races as you skillfully channel a flurry of combat actions from an extremely bloody battle into a twisting vultite morning star. You release some tension as the adrenaline gradually retreats (57 aggression is channeled into your equipment)

I surrendered and boom

cloud quiver
#

Gasp

nocturne marten
#

yea i tested in the greatchamber so i wasn't trying to clench and get stuck in RT all my grinding was just killing stuff but it was pretty efficient in terms of filling the totals. I did have to hunt in forward stance as a runestaff user though so i guess get your dodge up.

mental surge
#

Your heart races as you skillfully channel a flurry of combat actions from an extremely bloody battle into a twisting vultite morning star. You release some tension as the adrenaline gradually retreats (38 aggression is channeled into your equipment).

It looks like this messaging is a bit sporadic, I see the meter filling up constantly, especially once you pop a bloodlust

cloud quiver
#

The messaging is on a little bit of delay (it's like a summary), the meter will update almost real-time

nocturne marten
#

If i recall correctly my meter was updating before i even saw the death messaging on like long scrolly casts that resulted in death

mental surge
#

Your heart races as you skillfully channel a flurry of combat actions from an extremely bloody battle into a twisting vultite morning star. You release some tension as the adrenaline gradually retreats (72 aggression is channeled into your equipment)

So as a mutant with 175 weapon skill and SK506 I generate plenty of aggro

wintry bridge
#

be more like ruse

dusty parcel
mental surge
#

You need to hold off on using big moves until you pop a bloodlust. Soon as you have 4 aggro, pop bloodlust. Then use your big moves.

cloud quiver
#

#AggroFiend

mental surge
#

Its up to weaves to make adjustments Duff, but if you're not using bloodlust I think you're missing a big part of the weapon.

I would think the intent is to maintain bloodlust at all times to double all aggro from actions and once you get that going consistently you should never run out of aggro as long as you have mobs to kill.

cloud quiver
#

Don't forget the creature level plays a factor as well, so a few levels higher and it will go up. I'm not sure on all those Hinterwild creature levels offhand.

inner leaf
#

I missed the testiness last night while Miss Newsby and I were making the news!

potent lagoon
#

there are a few floating around in test

inner leaf
#

Thank you! Just wondered if they were going to work positively for runestaff bards. I will go see!

potent lagoon
#

Tjay has the staff I was using
Weaves was kind enough to unlock the loresong and enchant it for me

cloud quiver
#

Oh ok! Yeah I'll check Whirlwind.

nocturne marten
potent lagoon
mental surge
#

It should be possible to code a script to use the abilities at certain aggros just due to the xml of the window.

if line =~ /~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~/ as an example.

inner leaf
#

Got to Test Duskruin!

nocturne marten
#

@inner leaf if your trying to test the aggro runestaff let mek now when your in test and i'll pop over

inner leaf
stoic epoch
gray basin
potent lagoon
inner leaf
#

Where are the Test entry books?

potent lagoon
#

do you need some?

stoic epoch
#

Ok - so. Approximately how much aggro does CLENCH give? Does blood lust boost that? Does a 7 sec RT for Clenching give you more? That is a LONG time to be in RT

potent lagoon
#

I think he just spawned a bunch in, I don't think we can generate them

nocturne marten
potent lagoon
#

I liked the active nature of it, I think the flat AS/CS increase is pretty nice over the dual cast of sigil, and yeah, if it's priced to move I think it's a no-brainer.

stoic epoch
#

Yeah it was a real push/pull between keeping up the flat AS boost vs seeing if I could crank more out of frenzy or bloodlust

inner leaf
#

SIX POUND Runestaff!??!?

I discover this not in combat, just trying to put it away.

sage harness
#

the default weight for a runestaff?

edit: oh i guess it's 4 maybe, still.

potent lagoon
#

weaves did not lighten it for me unfortunately.

inner leaf
#

The arena wiill not take this booklet, so this is me going to the Sanctum with my 6 pound runestaff that will not fit in my sheath. :poses:

wintry bridge
#

it does say they're big fat weapons

mental surge
inner leaf
#

They need redeeming? Heck, is that new?!

WAIL, I have forgotten how to Duskruin in only a few months.

gray basin
#

yes, it's new

mental surge
# 
    EVENT ENTRIES {event name} {amount} - Creates physical entries for the specified event.
                                          DUSKRUIN.
    EVENT STATS {event name}            - Provides stats for the specified event.
                                          DUSKRUIN, RUMOR WOODS, EBON GATE.```

```             Event Entries
 --------------------------------------
  Duskruin Entries:                 13
To create physical entries, type EVENT ENTRIES {event name} {amount}.  Current options include: DUSKRUIN.```

This is the update for all simucoin events that Wyrom was working on for awhile.  No more managing booklets and vouchers in your containers.

You can still create vouchers and booklets, and this is required to turn them into the gladiator for straight exp and bloodscrip.  You can turn in any amount from 1 to 250 now though instead of having to turn in 25.
gray basin
nocturne marten
#

yea i had problems with the 6lb staff in that it wouldn't fit with my other runestaff in my stow container but it seems like we can use notes on them when they go live and lighten them

potent lagoon
#

I was doing pretty well in HW with it

#

I think I was fully trained for it, since I boosted to 40m XP

stoic epoch
#

Weaves was with me as I was hunting the warpath and said the 1117 damage was counting. Hard for ME to tell though Since it is kinda mysterious

potent lagoon
#

you were only getting 50% though weren't you?

next brook
#

Any trouble building agro with ucs?

mental surge
#

I think the aggro script nails the tempo or feel of making combat a bit more interesting. Numbers go up is always popular and the addition of the window out of the box is great.

My main request would be to have a straight numerical aggro number added to the window and also as a buff.

stoic epoch
#

The sense box is cool - but 90% of the time I would have to scroll up to see how close I am to the top...

#

I have 3 other very important windows I need to see!

#

RUB only works with the T3 ability Serenity, right? And you can only activate Serenity at a full 45 aggro?

nocturne marten
#

yea it doesn't show up on the sense map at all until you hit 45 aggro

mental surge
#

Reminds me of some of the rotations in ff14.

Bloodlust if not active
Frenzy if not active
Serenity if bloodlust and frenzy active and time left greater than 15
Etc

inner leaf
mental surge
#

You are not fully trained to channel your combat aggression into the morning star. You will be able to channel 87% of the normal aggression earned from combat actions into the morning star.
Blunt Weapons......................| 276 176

You are not fully trained to channel your combat aggression into the morning star. You will be able to channel 74% of the normal aggression earned from combat actions into the morning star.

Blunt Weapons......................| 251 151

#

Also if the wrayth window could be updated to show stored aggression via "Serenity".

potent lagoon
inner leaf
#

First thoughts:

This is not Luxie's RP.

It would take time to figure it out more, but it did not break anything runestaff bardly!

I always love seeing THE NUMBERS go up 🙂

This really looks like a solid new contender for a popular weapon line. It was fun to test!

cloud quiver
#

A few updates:

  • The mini window will show your total aggro and current Blood Focus bonus now.
  • It will briefly indicate when you max aggro.
  • Analyze now only shows one set of abilities, but the default Point and Clicks will be growl.
  • Inspect now says total current aggro and tries to clarify the "lifetime" aggro message.
  • Dev approved 1x training in weapon skills for Pures! Inspect will show your training for runestaves for both spells and when used as a weapon.
    Hope everyone has fun in Duskruin!
wintry bridge
#

Standout duskruin item imo

stoic epoch
gray basin
#

don't move, his eyesight is based on movement

pastel halo
wintry bridge
pastel halo
#

Oh! Huzzah

pastel halo
potent lagoon
pastel halo
#

whew! just finished reading through, very excited for the possibilities of this for a few of my characters. Need script add for my warrior's weapon, though price dependant I'd add another one into his mix until I can add to his primary project piece! echoing FFNG, great way to release something slightly different into the mix. Defintely some depth to the release but not so complicated as to be a putoff. Feels very much in the PSM vibe of making combat more fun.

next brook
#

Is this delayed open, or has the wiki not been made for the shop?

stuck hornet
#

It's a delayed open, it was included as delayed in the shop list announcement

next brook
#

hehe, wow I am tired this morning. I totally missed the (delayed) on the list. Thanks

inner leaf
#

Take his money, for goodness' sake!

potent lagoon
cloud quiver
#

Hopefully soon! The shop should have a halberd, katar, handaxe, spikestar, dagger, maul, longsword, runestaff, some gloves, some boots, longbow, lance and a falchion. Pricing should be in a day or two from yesterday and the shop just needs to finish the standard QC.

potent lagoon
#

WHAT! NO NET!?! immersion ruined, I can't believe you've done this.

velvet mirage
potent lagoon
#

eh, I think the lance and halberd suffice for polearm options. Tib doesn't need yet another spear to not sell.

velvet mirage
#

You think a halberd is going to sell over a spear?

potent lagoon
#

no, but he can't sell spears either ^_^

wintry bridge
#

Appreciate that you launched with gloves and every popular weapon base, that’s good market research

velvet mirage
#

Hot Take: Those are the only weapon bases that should ever be released. (+spear)

cloud quiver
#

And delay the shop longer?! Gasp Maybe our excellent Market Researcher Blacksmith Extraordinaire Tivvy will see the spear request.

potent lagoon
#

nets or we riot

wintry bridge
cloud quiver
#

And the no love for thrown weapons

potent lagoon
#

nets give you rage in-game and outside because they suck... it's meta

velvet mirage
#

People throw daggers and handaxes 😛

cloud quiver
#

NLFN (no love for nets)

potent lagoon
#

MNGA hats all around.

#

or... MNGFO Make nets great for once?

cloud quiver
#

Throwing nets need more help than this upgrade can give.

potent lagoon
#

not with that attitude..

But I jest, there's no help for a throwing net. Even if you gave it maximum upgrades it would still just be awful.

near lake
stoic epoch
#

RIP hook-knives (Just to be clear - please don't delay or spend anytime adding a hook-knife in - my Hook-knife user is NOT changing weapons!)

next brook
#

Sad no mace, but maybe Feb
Only 1 ohb and 1 ranged? Odd

stoic epoch
#

I was a bit surprised no heavy xbows

next brook
#

Guessing boots only aggro on kicks? Or do boots and gloves stack aggro for all UCS?

stoic epoch
#

I really really hope these follow the pricing of newer scripts. Base model things like animal/energy/parasite for 10k bs is no fun

next brook
#

Idk, 3 activated abilities OTS, I fear these will be expensive

desert fiber
#

Hopefully cheap enough to put on a skinning dagger

next brook
#

did we get confirmation on an add for existing weapons?

stoic epoch
#

That would be like...the first for a script add on to be available the first time it shows up

torpid crest
#

Yeah, typically new scripts are a year wait to be able to add to existing gear. Sometimes longer, like spore script adds.

next brook
#

That is what I thought

cloud quiver
#

If there is a weapon used in the attack it will get all of the aggro. But, if there isn't, the aggro will be spread across all of your equipped and eligible weapons. You can never stack the same ability, but it should present some choices and combo ideas.

punch gnoll
You attempt to punch a cave gnoll!
You have good positioning against a cave gnoll.
  UAF: 545 vs UDF: 44 = 2.000 (capped) * MM: 108 + d100: 29 = 245
  ... and hit for 68 points of damage!
  Rotating backhand cleanly snaps tibia!
The cave gnoll falls to the ground and dies.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
G>
Your heart races as you skillfully channel a flurry of combat actions from an extremely bloody battle into **some twisting leather gloves bearing cuffs adorned with rusty red rubies**.  You release some tension as the adrenaline gradually retreats (3 aggression is channeled into your equipment).

You channel at a cave gnoll.
You levitate a scimitar at a cave gnoll!
  AS: +236 vs DS: +9 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +72 = +341
   ... and hit for 191 points of damage!
   Blow to abdomen breaks the cave gnoll almost in two!
The cave gnoll falls to the ground and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
G>
Your heart races as you skillfully channel a flurry of combat actions from an extremely bloody battle into **some twisting leather boots bearing cuffs adorned with rusty red rubies, and some twisting leather gloves bearing cuffs adorned with rusty red rubies**.  You release some tension as the adrenaline gradually retreats (6 aggression is channeled into your equipment).

You attempt to kick a cave gnoll!
You have good positioning against a cave gnoll.
  UAF: 491 vs UDF: 44 = 2.000 (capped) * MM: 108 + d100: 39 = 255
  ... and hit for 118 points of damage!
  Well-aimed hook kick strikes a vital spot in the abdomen... from the inside!
The cave gnoll falls to the ground and dies.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
G>
Your heart races as you skillfully channel a flurry of combat actions from an extremely bloody battle into **some twisting leather boots bearing cuffs adorned with rusty red rubies**.  You release some tension as the adrenaline gradually retreats (3 aggression is channeled into your equipment).

Ignore the huge level disparity, the blacksmith is very aggro and very competent with it.

next brook
#

Hey now, are those aggression numbers in Prime too? The x aggression is channeled

stoic epoch
#

That'd mean the items were released in PRIME! But those were in TEST

next brook
#

GM land also has different rules, and I didn't see any of the testing posts

cloud quiver
next brook
#

Makes tracking easier, I approve

stoic epoch
cloud quiver
#

It waits until you've had a pause in combat activity to message you how much you earned, so it's not constantly spamming you.

#

Also hopefully it's fun to see how much you can get in a single round of combat.

sage harness
#

So that means you could just. Wear the boots for the basically free steroid?

wintry bridge
#

yeah it hadn't really occurred to me until this conversation but aggro boots on a pure could be quite powerful

cloud quiver
sage harness
#

Ok that makes more sense but you 1206’d a scimitar at it so I was confused since I couldn’t
Remember if it defaulted to right hand or whatever.

cloud quiver
#

Those fancy monks can send a scimitar from the ground right into your face.

wintry bridge
#

okay good call but sad for me, you've covered all the bases

sage harness
#

Full open hand channeling build

wintry bridge
#

double open hand channeling build while spending a lot of money on boots that I won't use that carry a script that is also available on runestaves, the ultimate outplay

sage harness
#

But I think it does mean the kinda half joking idea I had for a TWC rogue combo of aggro in the offhand and balance and frenzy in the main hand is legitimately possible lol. All the aggro to the offhand weapon even if you one shoting with the main hand (I assume) to fuel the passives and then the toggles on the balance and frenzy to maintain its AS flares. Add dispel flares for all pre attack / self buff benefits from your item scripts for your dagger ambush

next brook
stoic epoch
stoic epoch
cloud quiver
#

Yeah, it's a pretty hard and fast rule.

sage harness
next brook
sage harness
#

But I am kinda bored with all the usual suspects weapon scripts we’ve had so I dunno. lol. I do have my rogues perfect weapons and they have the script slot open still so maybe in a year if we get aggro script add I go full hipster.

stoic epoch
#

Weaves, just so you know - the lack of this store opening is hurting the rest of my DR spending. So ya know - if you care about the bottom line you'll get QC to do their thing a bit faster!

rare oyster
wintry bridge
#

could actually work!

cloud quiver
potent lagoon
#

That was a 1x sword when it left my hands sir.

#

I can't help the script doesn't account for things that can't bleed.

wintry bridge
#

it accounts for them by explicitly excluding them, find bloodier enemies!

potent lagoon
#

Or figure out how to get blood from a stone/metal slab

#

Clearly you didn't squeeze them hard enough

sage harness
#

Just need the self damage unlock to SKIN yourself to charge it up

desert fiber
#

So if i have sigil in my right hand and aggro dagger in my left hand and cast spell will there be any aggro gained for the dagger? I assume i could haste miss on a target and mutilate as a cheater wizard to get aggro.

cloud quiver
#

I had to take a look at those golems, they're real bruisers. The formula wasn't taking them into account quite right, but it should be a little more "friendly" now. They still won't be amazing, but it's at least how it was intended.

cloud quiver
stoic epoch
stoic epoch
cloud quiver
stoic epoch
potent lagoon
#

I am deeply disappointed in your lack of cruelty.

stoic epoch
#

You lose the +10 from blood focus cause the aggro is used immediately (at least I am 95% sure - enough to state it as a fact originally but then later come back and qualify it)

stoic epoch
#

Yeah - I imagine 4 is gonna be bloody expensive! They don't just hand out +10 AS for peanuts! (which is a shame - cause AS is boring)

desert fiber
#

What do you guys think is easier, aggro dagger in left hand or swap out base aggro runestaff after boost to main sigil? (And retain the boosts i assume?)

nocturne marten
#

Aggro runestaff in the off hand and sigil in the main hand still accumulate aggro. I have Vorlash runestaff on the test server if you want to mess around with it happy to pass it along.

gray basin
#

finally time for our double runestaff meta to shine

nocturne marten
#

How does the UAC aggro adds work with mechnical vambraces were the weapon isn't inhand?

gray basin
#

they've been trying to keep things out of our left hands for years! nay, sir, nay. not this time! we got 2x boomsticks and magical side-arms in the same run

#

first they took our weapons, and we said nothing
then they came for our shields, and we acquiesced
not this time

desert fiber
#

I am scared for the price drop though, these are big boosts

stoic epoch
nocturne marten
#

I feel like the first year is a beta run anyway the real value is in adding it to a worked up item after the kinks are worked out.

stoic epoch
#

yeah...well idk what to say to that. I mean I'm definitely not buying this for any established character I've already invested lots of silvers in! But my warpath has been looking to settle on a bow script

nocturne marten
#

the a fresh weapon would make a lot of sense for you, something for everyone

nocturne marten
#

Sooo I went to test something and it didn't involve the aggro staff but I was hunting barehanded and the aggro (and boosts) from the staff stuck on my character with it stowed

cloud quiver
#

….Feature? Once they’re activated they shouldn’t fall off until they expire or you attack (in the case of the Final/Bloodbath). Did they get stuck even after that? The aggro window will stay open until you close it. You can reopen with the Wrayth windows window, or use sense again.

nocturne marten
#

This wasn't the activated ones this was the blood focus acuity just hanging on while i did testing without the staff. The test ran for about 5 minutes with it just giving me the boost I can log back in to test if you need to look at it.

cloud quiver
#

Ohhhh ok! I’ll check it out. Thanks for mentioning it.

stoic epoch
#

I’m not sure DR should have been opened without this store ready!

next brook
#

We all thought it was supposed to open on the 15th until about 2 weeks ago

potent lagoon
cloud quiver
#

But think of all the fun conversation we've had. And all the improvements you helped make with your testing, most recently to allow the mini window to continue updating if you stow it (it's your aggro, use it when you need it!). It should also clear when you drop 😱 or give it away, but why would you do that?! You will need to have the weapons equipped to activate abilities, but at least you can see the aggro as it drains away. It will show the Blood Focus bonus, but that boost will fade even though it may still show the bonus in your mini window. I'll keep... asking about getting it open as quickly as it can. Any last minute testing is appreciated!

potent lagoon
#

I was happy to do what limited vibe testing I could, excellent work on it thus far!

near lake
#

This means there's still time to add a quarterstaff to the roster! ...for science

cloud quiver
#

If you keep patient, maybe the blacksmith will show up during Duskruin to offer some alteration services, like customizing your pips:

image.png
potent lagoon
#

hah, that's fantastic

potent lagoon
#

first one in sequence is A, the rest are H's
and then script a sneeze when you use an ability

near lake
#

Maybe the bottom half are lowercase. Crescendo

nocturne marten
#

If you get disarmed do you lose your aggro or does it stay on the timer? I guess same question with that annoying conjurer flying weapon attack

cloud quiver
#

You don't lose it but it continues to fade on the normal timer.

stoic epoch
potent lagoon
jade leaf
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I need to be able to add this to my dagger.

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I meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, I am a patient woman.

cloud quiver
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With the creature blood scaling and per creature limit I'm curious how it will feel in a big boss fight.

cloud quiver
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Yeah, long term I'd like there to be lots of strategies available depending on the creature/weapon, to keep it interesting for those that wanted to try and optimize gain.

next brook
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Even the insane ones who move to Atoll at 82, and fight 14 levels above em?

I really should grab some gloves in Test from someone and try it out

cloud quiver
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Okay, maybe not them. But I have killed countless Triton Fanatics with it.

stoic epoch
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Weaves, earlier you made it sound like pricing details might be released before opening. Is that still possible? Can you share the prices?

stoic epoch
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I promise.

cloud quiver
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Yes, I will share the pricing details as soon as they're ready, which I hope is rsn .

nocturne marten
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I was getting like 2-7 in the great chamber but even at that rate without bloodlust running it was a pretty fast fill from 0

cloud quiver
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Ok, finally some updates and pricing! After a careful review of everyone's great playtesting efforts we've made a few adjustments to the abilities and earning aggro.

For the abilities, it was not the intention to keep them consistently refreshable in situations where you're able to get lots of aggro. So, Final Straw and Bloodbath have independent 120 second cooldowns and Frenzy and Bulwark durations are 15 seconds now. Furor Focus gets a slight boost to the duration potential to between 10-60 seconds and the magnitude of slow will be 3, 4, and 5 seconds at each activation level.

For earning aggro, there are two changes. First, for bloody hit, the weapon will need to be the one used in the attack (or a runestaff in the case of spells). Secondarily, for bloody hit the earning potential is reduced for tiers 1-3: by 50% at tier 1, 35% at tier 2, and 20% at tier 3. There's no reduction at tier 4. The other methods do not have any tier-based reduction.

The pricing will be 75k bloodscrip for Tier 1/OTS. The unlock certificates for tiers 2-4 will be 150k, 75k, and 150k respectively. Attunement will be available for the 25% discount.

Lastly, just a note about the future abilities - I will take those off the wiki as they're not developed and would need to be reviewed (and also, the blacksmith could get run over by a mine cart on the way to Zul Logoth) so feel free to toss out ideas but don't base any purchases on those. Thanks to everyone for the playtesting and suggestions thus far, and a big thanks to Tivvy, Isten, Estild, Auchand, and Nyxus for the work on this release!

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The shop is available on test now in a "battered ebonwood blockhouse", room 8214517. It should be available in Prime just as soon as a few small updates are re-checked.

stoic epoch
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Thank you, Weaves! You’ve built a wonderful item. One of my favorites. I will gladly contribute more to testing before the shop opens but this is way way way outside my budget

next brook
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450k fully unlocked, welp, there goes my hope. Agreed with the above. Love the Item, but outside my price range

stuck hornet
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This is a really creative script, but it looks like every aspect of it got nerfed and it's pretty expensive... woof.

wintry bridge
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I am enthusiastic about this concept and want to applaud your hard work and creative design but I am nervous about the nerfs to aggo generation and to the abilities being non-permable, and 75k is too much for me to spend to try a new thing out

nocturne marten
mental surge
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Id have to retest with the updates to determine if it's good still.

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450k is... A lot.

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Lore flares are 400k? To me, in my brain, id compare this to adding blessing lores for extra AS.

Everyone loves the flavor of this, but ain't no one paying that much for flavor. The mechanics have to justify that cost.

obtuse berry
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Seems interesting. Also seems wildly overpriced.

near lake
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Oof, yeah. Just getting to T2 is going to be more expensive than just about every other script option fully unlocked

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I think only briar is more

obtuse berry
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Oof, I didn't even look, yeah that's more than sigil, which has been the endgame pure meta for half a decade.

near lake
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#rangers message
just for some comparison

supple oasis
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deeply saddened, that's it.

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desert fiber
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Wait, is this most expensive (active) weapon script currently?

sage harness
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Readily available and not a mania thing? Blink.

keen kiln
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It’s fine to share feedback on the price, but please keep it constructive rather than sarcastic so the conversation stays productive.

brazen lion
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Genuine question here, because I have not followed this very closely and am not 100% sure what this script even does, but is this a case where the item is so powerful it needs to be priced accordingly? Seems like with a lot of other things, exceptionally powerful items/materials/scripts come with a higher price tag. Is there a wiki or write up on what each tier offers?

near lake
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Check the pins, wiki link is there

brazen lion
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Ah, thank you

supple oasis
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the combination of nerfing and pricing leads me to believe that there is no chance of getting this to a place where it is worth purchasing.

Animalistic is wonderful for 10k off the shelf, with zero learning curve. Add revenge flares, take it to T4, and go to HESS and swap from grapple to lightning flares, and you have arguably one of the most consistent end game weapons, for 105k, with zero learning curve.

Weaves (and whoever else worked on the design), please keep pushing the boundaries, don't let our disappointment discourage your out of the box design.

I won't be able to engage in any more feedback -- my discouragement spreads well beyond this thread.

desert fiber
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I mean we all knew it was going to be expensive.

glacial sand
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what price would you all be willing to pay?

near lake
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The sticker shock is, at least from my POV, that it's over twice as expensive as the vast majority of current DR script offerings. Even more than briar, which (aside from the aforementioned blink) is probably still mechanically stronger with it's effective +25 persistent AS buff and the strongest flare in the game. I do want to echo Tikba's praise and appreciate the ingenuity of doing something other than "a flare + some cooldowns." I really enjoyed trying to work out a play pattern with the item on test; the build and spend felt pretty good (pre nerf, not sure about now), and the abilities seem impactful. Really cool script, no doubt about that. But mechanically I might only put it moderately above the "standard fare" options in terms of how I imagine it would improve combat, so for whatever it's worth I would've priced it somewhere in the 150-200k range in total.

desert fiber
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Also 15 seconds for any trigger ability is a tough sell because what are you going to accomplish. I would retract this statement if we get enough aggro to constantly trigger it. Maybe its just a short leash so to speak.

near lake
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(also no OTS scripts should start at 75k IMO. Entry level should be entry level)

nocturne marten
desert fiber
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Imagine the pre-nerf price on this....

stuck hornet
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The price as-is would be more palatable pre-nerf.

desert fiber
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I do think some cooldown is warranted on the final stand as it seemed like you could get enough aggro to be getting monster hits every few rounds.

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Almost feels like the nerfed version should be 200k and with 5th unlock for 250k that is like, "you want OP no cooldowns, constant aggro.... have at it with the pre-nerf version"

wintry bridge
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kaetel's posts pretty much express my view. I think this item would be a lot of fun, but the total price point is extremely high.

in term of the OTS cost: from a runestaff point of view, I think, mechanically, a t1 one of these is probably not vastly more powerful than a t2 sigil or an OTS animal, but it costs 65k more. that's a big leap of faith. similarly on the melee side, 75k is more than I was planning to spend on animal weapons that I'd consider finished. as I recall, when spore staff came out, there was some ability reorganization to try to create an entry-level cost tier. maybe something similar would help here

potent lagoon
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first one's free, the next one is gonna cost ya

cloud quiver
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I certainly understand the spirited discussion on price. I just wanted to say when we set out with this idea it was to make a interesting/different combat option, so price wasn't the first thing on our mind. It's also a tricky weapon to evaluate and balance, with that comes a little uncertainty, but also I think leaves lots of space for review, refinement, and improvement. While countless gnolls, fanatics, and other things were killed in the development, it's really all of your testing, findings, and enthusiasm that got it to that point. Even if you don't buy it this run, know that you've set it on a path to where it may make sense at some point.

nocturne marten
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I think pricing aside everyone who played with one or helped test really enjoyed thew new flavor that it added to the game. It's always cool to see new and different directions the game can go in.

desert fiber
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This could have given sigil a run for the money if you basically got a playstyle driven by "huge hit" potential every few rounds (either single target or AOE) every time you capped aggro but 2 minute cooldown scraps that.

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Sigil would be the 2 weaker strikes path and this would have been the 1 big hit path

gray basin
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i mean my sigil staff was t2 for like two years, probably be t3 for more than a year before i upgrade it

i haven't used melee in a while, so if you only go to t2 on these, are they still pretty fun?

potent lagoon
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I don't know if we actually tested lower tiers. Oops.

nocturne marten
gray basin
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see this is *a downside of TEST 🤣

desert fiber
potent lagoon
rare oyster
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I love the creativity that inspires more dynamic combat options. Thanks for making this Weaves.

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As for pricing, I wouldn’t mind this pricing as the initial DR release, with scaling lower prices over time. I’d like to see that model for more things, I think. Where you pay higher premium to buy early, but scales into lower prices over time.

mental surge
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While briar flares doesn't add to CS, its kind of the standard for AS driven characters.

If I'm melee or ranged, briar script wins out easily. It's not comparable at the announced pricing when compared to briar which is demonstratable to maintain +25 AS and was pushed even higher to 30 AS with the addition of the accessories.

This could be salvaged if Blood Focus and Bulwark were available at tier 1.

Blood Focus Example
Tier 1 +4 AS/+3 CS
Tier 2 +6 AS/+4 CS
Tier 3 +8 AS/+5 CS
Tier 4 +10 AS/+6 CS

desert fiber
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Price it like sigil where you can get the casuals in the door at T2/T3 and the last unlock is the big deal meal at 250K for the capstone ability (In this case it would be no cooldown Final Straw and Bloodbath)

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Also, it would be cool if this had synergies with rage armor or some future aggro armor

brittle locust
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So total non attuned price if I'm correct is 525k blood right?

obtuse berry
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Looks like 450 unless my math is off.

brittle locust
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Ots/T1 - 75k
T1/T2 - 150k
T2/T3 - 150k
T3/T4- 150k

nocturne marten
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T3 isn't 150k

near lake
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75/150/75/150

brittle locust
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Oh ok that explains it. I misread ty all

desert fiber
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Sigil is like 400k right? So its close to that.

old lantern
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420k, yea

glad wagon
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was it ever said if this interacts with rage armor?

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also is the 45 points of aggro limit per weapon if twc? or total across both weapons?

mental surge
glad wagon
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pity

potent lagoon
cloud quiver
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If anyone picks up a dagger I'd love some feedback on something, feel free to DM me.

stoic epoch
supple oasis
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Well.. here we are at the end and I have some scrip and I do want to support Weaves.. so question -- do the AS/CS bonuses also improve SMRv2 the way that acuity does? If not... can they?

cloud quiver
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The bonuses from the abilities don't provide the same bonus to SMRv2 that Acuity sometimes does. As for could it, I thought we wanted to try and get the price down? 😆

supple oasis
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Honest Review

Okay for the record I bought a katar and t2 cert -- I tried on a few different characters but it just wasn't generating enough aggro on non capped characters -- duffield fared better, but I'd have to completely change my whole setup to base it around this weapon.. there was certainly a lot of blood.. berserking I think I saw like 6 or 7 things bleeding at once.. none of that got me any aggro though.

I was thinking if the SMRv2 bonus was there, then this would make for an interesting cleric runestaff? Otherwise, I have a lot of good gear as it and Id have to redesign someone to make it fit.

On the bright side, Id never used any katar before, so maybe I will redesign someone and wait until things get ironed out and I could perhaps see it as a script add. So overall, there is some promise, but have to return it for now.

potent lagoon
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do you think it's a tuning issue with the script?
not that that should change your decision

supple oasis
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It was definitely a lot more difficult getting to 45, but that of course could be that it was 2/4, the weapon type (katar), and/or the changes.

Definitely becomes a catch-22 of like, really needs to be fully unlocked for the best success, but if you can afford to fully unlock it you probably already have your ideal weapon, and these dont play well with others

cloud quiver
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Good feedback, I’ve been wondering if the lower DF bases would need a little tweaking or if the extra speed would offset the need for that. How frequent did you get to 45 in a hunt? But yea, at 2/4 it still has the reduction in earn, just for bloody hit. Did you try to mutilate to augment, or the RT is too much?

supple oasis
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I didn't try mutilating at all but thats because Duffy never had to previously, so it wasn't really in my frame of mind to do so (if I recall it was like one aggro for a 5-ish second RT?). I think maybe a warmage with the lance would be able to use this best.. I never use 515 but I assume that would cut down on whatever mutilate RT there is?

Also I am not sure how it is supposed to all interact, but if say a critter was bleeding (major bleed from using OHE assault), and the bloodloss killed a critter, I didn't get any aggro from it. So that makes me a little concerned about other "indirect" damage sources.. things like earthen fury, 309/335, or damage via empathic link (these were the use cases that would make sense in the characters I have).

I have the very specifc humblebrag problem of not having too many "open" weapon spots to fit this into.. but a character that only uses this weapon, can kill quickly, and maybe that doesn't have good AOE otherwise to benefit from Bloodbath, thats where I see this working best. Hmm also since I was below 45 longer, I see the appeal of blood focus.. but that being tier 4 only is rough.

stoic epoch
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Is a Katar a low DF weapon? I know they are fast but I thought they were up there (maybe your comment about low DF weapons was not specific to his katar question).

cloud quiver
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Mutilate should always be 2 aggro for 3-7 seconds of random RT, so long as the creature is within 10 levels of your level (up or down). You should earn from the creature so long as it's direct damage (so earthen fury, 309/335, etc. should be fine), so you're right that blood loss wouldn't give you any. You should get it from the kill if it bleeds to death, but I'll double check that.

stoic epoch
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I feel almost positive I was getting aggro from killing this with eviscerate on TEST with a dagger when they bled out. But I'm not sure if the aggro amount was correct and based off full damage done or just the initial eviscerate damate.

cloud quiver
# stoic epoch Is a Katar a low DF weapon? I know they are fast but I thought they were up ther...

Yeah they're not always that low, depending on the type of armor, and they're fast too. I'd be happy to take a look at any combat snippets from some of the katar, if you want to DM me @supple oasis. Because the formula factors in the creature's total blood and because of "rounding", it may be that slight tweak could be proposed to ensure the faster weapons are in line with bigger, bloodier hits from the slower ones (in my mind, the same blood loss from two fast hits should roughly equal one bigger bloodier hit). And/or could look at mutilate to balance it out too, maybe that should be faster for the faster weapons. There's lots of dials that can be tweaked. With mutilate, bloodlust, and serenity, the hope was there were lots of strategies that could be employed to keep earning "going".

supple oasis
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Yeah the katar feels pretty good right out of the gate, at least in terms of DF and all that, and it would only get better with more work done on it.. but thats katar stuff and not aggro in general. In my mind, UCS isn't a good option only because (1) AS (as UAF) isn't as directly beneficial, and like doing assaults it's not going to always be gloves that do the killing (not sure if theres a way to specifiy this).

Yeah it would be great if all the blood damage was calculated in a window of time.. but then I suppose that would mean you would only get aggro every x seconds..

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Im happy to continue testing and tweaking in TEST environment after DR ends

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The high HP critters being a brick wall towards aggro is also kinda rough.. to wail away at a golem to only get 2 for the kill.. maybe you could look at some like, "if CritterHealth > x, baseAggro = CritterHealth/200" or something, so that you get a satisfying chunk of aggro on the kill

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very specifically, you know that one oliphant rider in lord of the rings, when he rolls through and smashes a ton of people.. this is how I feel when I get 5-10 Aggro from a critter.. 2-3 is like "eh, cool", 5-10 is that "oooh yeah" satisfying hit, and getting like 10-15+ from a really good AOE, that's the gooood stuff

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cloud quiver
supple oasis
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Yeah even a boost to aggro upon kill was bigger, that would be more satisfying than like, 1 aggro per 250 damage or something and having it trickle

cloud quiver
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For sure, I'll put a proposal together for the frustratingly-large population of golems across the lands!

supple oasis
nocturne marten
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As a warding pure I probably could have gotten a better handle on using bloodlust with the runestaff to stack aggro better but there was about a 0 chance I was going to mutilate for a 7 second hard RT especially in swarmy ascension zones.

The trade off on using the staff as a warder of having to hunt in advanced stances was interesting (wizard coded) and something that I got used to and could manage since I'm trained in dodge (except that time i forgot about it and embarrassed myself infront of weaves) but I don't know large chunks of hard RT are definitely a harder sell.

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cloud quiver
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Mutilate is like "just need a quick bridge" or "this very unfun squishy golem needs to PAY". I had a little bit of fun trying to see how dangerous I could be with it, at least you can be in defensive. But in swarmy ascensions grounds it was definitely dangerous, although you can really live dangerously and rack some up by getting hit too, which is the most generous of them all.

supple oasis
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I know it's too soon for teasers, but perhaps with a simple thumbs up/down can you indicate if there have been tweaks to Aggro Weapons since last DR? 👉 👈

desert fiber
stoic epoch
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I wonder how many were purchased and upgraded...perhaps this is supposed to be like...the McClaren F1 of GS scripts and if more than a couple sold they'll have to raise the price to keep it VERY niche and posh.

jade leaf
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Um

stoic epoch
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How many did you buy and upgrade, Riend?!

jade leaf
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IIRC they lowered the effects and upped the price because it was originally a smidge bit OP.

I didn't buy any.

stoic epoch
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whew

jade leaf
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I considered adding it to my sassafras dagger if the add cert ever comes out though

glacial sand
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They should have kept them a little op. After they were changed, people didn't want them anymore

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Nothing wrong with something a little op to compete with the few very good scripts

stuck hornet
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For the price, it should be OP. Alas.

jade leaf
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I mean, we can all agree that Weaves had an amazing concept and he created a crazy awesome weapon. But then... the pricing happened.

desert fiber
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New ability - Depressive RAGE.... when you run out of lootcap all Aggro bonuses are doubled and constantly active. Also, everytime you kill a monster under Depressive RAGE the weapon whispers into your ear, "What's the point?"

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Secondary new ability - RAGE against the Machine..... raise the Aggro Weapon for 15 minutes of 0% lootcap hunting, CD is 60 minutes.

stoic epoch
desert fiber
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Well my original title was|| Impotent RAGE|| but thought it was too much

supple oasis
stoic epoch
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Are we? Or do some of us just have a lot of free time in our job?

supple oasis
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porque no los dos

stoic epoch
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You're so neurodivergent you're speaking gobblygook!

dire egret
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Are these aggro boots worth having on 1 person for group swarm hunting? I like the looks of the AOE stuff

desert fiber
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You tell us because none of us know.... scream_goat

glacial sand
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Did anyone actually buy these?

stoic epoch
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I wonder if Weaves plays a character when he's not GMing...and if that character ALSO thought they were too expensive...

coral oracle
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yeah I'm curious if anyone bought these and fully upgraded- I'd love to hear how it's going. This is the one weapon script I'm considering not buying

rare oyster
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If I were to wear aggro boots, and utilize ranged, how would these work? (seems the timer in here is unnecessary).

stoic epoch
rare oyster
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Okay, but how would these impact my life differently

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So -- if I'm understanding this -- as long as I wear the boots, I would gain aggro even if I killed with ranged, and I could get all the benefits to buff out ranged attacks, still?

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The weapon performing the attack is the one that will get the aggro associated with the action. Getting hit will divide the aggro up amongst all equipped weapons that you are trained for. However, UCS equipment will never earn aggro unless you have empty hands. ``` never mind. now I can't justify price for intended potential use.
stoic epoch
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Oh good - I was pretty positive they worked like animal UCS stuff but I hadn't found the quote. Glad you did.

cloud quiver
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I had a few ideas that I hoped to get out for this run of Duskruin, but was very busy with another project so I got them into the process late. Subsequently it's not looking like they will make it.

stoic epoch
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I mean - unless your idea was somehow to get the price lowered I worry (seriously because I love the idea of these so much) that it'll be a pointless add.