[Official] Sailor's Grief

[spice dew]

kick them overboard and strap them together and we gots outselves a bridge!

[flint kiln]

trashzilla flotilla

[spice dew]

Misc [4]: an iridescent tempest shell (4)

having a consistent source for these means being able to wear different forehead gems for different occasions

skin glue for sale thoon!

[strange yacht]

I’ve been opening up my basketifier table and trashing everything in the room into the trash basket it has

[sand prism]

Littering is a CHOICE, having no barrel isn't an excuse to pollute!

[fast basalt]

Ah, I didn't think to do this. I've been selling the boxes to the pawn or dumping them in my tent's trashcan.

[stuck mural]

my fishie is eating so well

[strange yacht]

I’ve been debating looting as many as I can hold, going into my tent, throwing them all on the floor, taking everything out, and then repeating until I’m done. And then trashing them all in there.

Poolparty doesn’t work with a hidden trashcan and I haven’t figured out how to update it yet, so I’m back to doing the pool manually more or less until I manage that. I do not like eloot— it’s overly complicated and constantly breaks

[late tinsel]

|| Deadman's Luck .......................... 00:59:47|| after ||rolling dice and "You pick the jewel-pipped dice up, the cold metal oddly not warming to the heat of your palm. After giving them a good shake, you roll them across the wood of the deck. Both dice come to rest showing a quintet of emerald pips.
Roundtime: 5 sec."|| not sure yet what that means but going to find out heh

[crude brook]

I think the theory is if you die the albatross brings your corpse back to the ship

[hazy drift]

need a ranger to fix this problem, I think sorcerers can't do it any more

well I guess sorcerers can just make trash cans if they have trained their guild skills

[light ruin]

or we need a trash can

[upbeat stream]

You can technically pick them all up, 220, drop them, and go back out if you'd like to be our trash can

[light ruin]

hahahahaha okay i'm gonna do that next time. wait next time i cast 220 is all that crap still going to be there?

[upbeat stream]

no

[flint kiln]

every chest on the deck of the ship is a global -1 DS in sailors grief

[amber anvil]

Why limit it to chests!?

[safe bobcat]

The fact they haven’t answered tells me, “so the current plan is not to include FWI access. But we’re running the user feedback up through dev and mans that will change. But for now, don’t expect it. The purpose of the area is to make the game challenging from new perspectives.”

That’s not an actual quote, just how I’m interpreting the silence

[flint kiln]

If only we didnt have to constantly interpret silence

[jaunty hamlet]

I've been telling Nidal he's trash for years. Finally someone gets it.

[flint kiln]

"You have nearly a hundred naval vessels operating in the North Atlantic Spicer's Sea right now. Your aircraft hunters have dropped enough sonar buoys empty treasure chests so that a man could walk from Greenland to Iceland to Scotland The Contempt to Talon Isle to the Seat of Storms without getting his feet wet```

[sand prism]

Maybe Sailor's Grief is the pilot for the new and exciting "Gemstone Classic"! Where empaths, clerics, and locksmiths are in high demand for their skillsets AND conversations.....

[willow ginkgo]

Any reason there is still no TRASH can in the locksmith pool? I'd prefer to NOT drop my stuff on the ground there, but not having a TRASH receptacle is pushing me to do this. Which is likely not what we want done as too many items dropped will cause issues for the game as a whole.

[crude brook]

🚯

Super petty, but the primary reason I bailed on SG and went back to HW was the lack of a trash can anywhere. This game generates too much junk and it felt weird just dropping it all somewhere.

There is a part of me that is actually cool with no FWI access. It could create a little pocket ascension area a little more free (more free?) from the automation crowd.

If that were the case, however, we would need a place to drop collectables, too. Maybe an herb shop?

[light ruin]

+Place to charge enhancives

[crimson gull]

Is it intentional that Sorcerers can not sense the patterns of rooms at the docks in Talon?

[safe bobcat]

I think its really funny complaining about pollution in a text based game. Maybe we can make it an RP thing. Elect a mayor of SG. Hire and army of FTPs to Clean Contempt Continuously, "Running on my C, C, C plan, you'll never look at trash again!"

Also, yeah the FWI access lack is kind of growing on me. I wont be there full time if that's the case, but I'll at least be there part time (edit: maybe that's the point?)

[sand prism]

I am sure all this stuff will be weeded out eventually but it would be hilarious if the room has 100s of stacked boxes

[jaunty hamlet]

The contempt sinks like the wave dancer. Capsized due to the inexplicable lack of trash can.

[sand prism]

Do we even know the backstory of the Contempt or did we all just chase the sea creatures to the isle and were just like, oh cool a random super ship

[zealous thunder]

I left SG for now because there was no healer. I have no preference between healer, herbalist, or FWI access, as long as I don’t have to sail to get wounds/scars fixed up when empaths are not actively healing. I have a stocked herb kit, but it only delays that trip back

[sand prism]

https://tenor.com/view/indian-tear-native-american-sad-gif-5176481 (Pic of the Contempt Captain seeing all the trash)

[night thicket]

I'm curious why communication is always so delayed. I would like to understand the design decision behind the swimming mechanics and such, like just to get an idea behind their ideas and concepts with designing these areas.

The silence on FWI is pretty frustrating. I understand not wanting to overcommit because maybe there are technical reasons why... but just say that. Or does it need some approval process, again, just glimpses into the backend of things are nice to know

[fast basalt]

Some of the area backstory obviously has to do with the Solhaven Cataclysm event years ago. There are a few easter eggs relating to it.

I too though would love to know the lore of the area and specifically the ships that are named in the Grief itself.

[sand prism]

Would definitely be cool if they had a sitdown meeting with the captain to welcome the new adventurers and maybe explain the goals or happenings in the area

[fast basalt]

I expect some of the mechanics are designed to help forestall MA script botting the area as the Contempt moves and is the only optimized resting spot.

I'm patient to wait for an answer on FWI whenever they can answer. Having been on their side of situations professionally, it doesn't help to bombard someone with a question they've already heard when they can't answer until they can.

[flint kiln]

Raging Thrak pt2 :

Please do not speak in all caps, such as "WHERE IS THE TRASH CAN??!?!?!"

[sand prism]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[night thicket]

That's fine if they can't answer yet... but just say that. That's what I don't get. Maybe it's to stall MA botting, but that hasn't been said either. It's all speculation when I feel like it would be pretty straightforward to just discuss some design decisions. They obviously read this chat and respond to some things

[sand prism]

FWI access can only be achieved via a powerful local artifact that runs on locked boxes. 1,000 boxes per month must be sacrificed to keep it running....

Surprised there is a pawnshop in SG but not HW.

Fwi not doing much, its really only the ppl too lazy to stock up on herbs since locksmith pool is really the biggest barrier to farming and they got that.

[plush token]

I think expecting dev to “explain” decisions is asking a bit much. It’s not like they’re beholden to us. I’ve asked, others have asked. It’s been mentioned at least once a day probably.

[strange yacht]

#scripting message
Updated script for poolparty that works in SG, mostly. You'll still need to go to the room first, since it can't find it. It'll either use a trash can, like a Basketifier one, if you put it out, or it'll drop the box. But yeah, there needs to be a built-in trash can, an herbalist, FWI access, and the other things.

[lyric folio]

Auchand hasn't posted anything substantive in the past 3 or 4 days. GMs have other jobs and other responsibilities. Just be patient.

[sand prism]

Hah.

[light ruin]

If the plan is to keep a noticeable higher amount of friction in SG to prevent the Pipe Denification of the area, I can't even be too mad at that. A trash can and a herbalist and people can just make do... I do think those two things are pretty key though.

[willow ginkgo]

someone should just go setup one of those vendor stands and sell herbs. They'd make a fortune there! Then they just setup a route to restock it with one of their alts.

[sand prism]

Back in my day we foraged for the herbs we needed! Nature always provides....

Is it against policy to have some rando alt spamming herb production in a designated room for everyone to come pickup whatever they ned?

[willow ginkgo]

still need some potions that the herb system doesn't provide

[sand prism]

potion herb variants are already expensive as heck, hauling 100 pounds of them from EN or Pinefar would mean slapping a fee on it and then you selling ambrominas tinctures for like 5k per ☠️

That would be smart though to place a stall in SG, also I am surprised more people dont stick herb, chrism, and orb gem stalls in all of the main townsquares

[twin pine]

Is it against policy to set up a script to have an alt auto exchange herbs for silvers on a whisper?

[sand prism]

Too bad stalls can only hold unique 10 items so 10 individual chrisms would be a pitiful stall offering

[novel panther]

i'm guessing it would fall under Character "Bots", unless providing herbs is materially different than providing spells. From Policy 18:

Character "Bots"

For the purpose of this policy, a character "bot" is defined as any character that is either responsive or unresponsive to the gaming environment that uses any sort of trigger which can be executed by third parties to perform automatic "services" such as healing, lockpicking, spell casting, etc.```

[twin pine]

Hrm — maybe “etc.”

[vague goblet]

Yeah, that's basically the exact scenario described by botting.

[twin pine]

It’s vague enough it isn’t clearly prohibited! — (edit: selling an item is providing “goods” not “services”).

[stuck mural]

i think it's extremely clear

[light ruin]

Tell it to the judge. Getting tapped and providing a herb is providing a service, am I going insane? It's super clearly botting

[vague goblet]

Doing anything automatically based on a trigger (whisper in this case) without being attentive is prohibited

[twin pine]

That’s not what the policy says. I hear that’s the intent and what the common understanding is. I’m not doing it, don’t worry, just asked the question.

[stuck mural]

this would be an awesome solution but as the Contempt is not in town, you can't set up a market stall 🙁

[left quartz]

Making it a town would solve so many problems.

[light ruin]

So you want the policy to have an addition that says "... such as healing, lockpicking, spell casting, being tapped to provide a herb in exchange for silver, etc." ? Just making sure

[twin pine]

Naw, I would suggest adding the term “good or service” then there’s no ambiguity.

[light ruin]

uses any sort of trigger which can be executed by third parties to perform automatic "services" you know what i'm being bad faith trolled, i'm out lol

[novel panther]

providing spells and providing herbs are both a service though

[jaunty hamlet]

I mean sure this is basically a textbook example of exactly what's in the policy. but... what if we pretend it isn't for personal gain?

[twin pine]

Yes, it is a bot. But a bot is not prohibited. Only a bot that provides services. At least that’s how the policy is drafted. I’m not trolling, I’m lawyering why the written policy creates ambiguity that is at odds with the intent.

[novel panther]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-the-dice-december-holidays-national-dice-day-be-bold-dice-gif-6876232205697280398

[light ruin]

This is sov cit behavior

[jaunty hamlet]

who rolls dice like that? that gif is offensive.

[vague goblet]

It is my understanding that all versions bot are prohibited. Any character that responds automatically to any input (whisper, tap, thought, etc) to perform any action constitutes botting.

I think the policy could just be "to perform automatic actions of any kind"

[small delta]

I find it weirdly unsettling that some of the dice end up off-camera. I am left with a sense of lack of resolution

[jaunty hamlet]

this herb stand is NOT FOR COMMERCE (please pay no attention to the commerce happening behind me)

[flint kiln]

this also means the locksmithpool is not in town, which therefore makes it extra lengthy to do work

[left quartz]

So I was thinking about other options while we're missing some amenities.

We COULD, without breaking policy, toss a backpack somewhere on the Contempt and fill it with herbs in a whole "take a penny, leave a penny" kind of situation. Just have a rando alt sit there to guard it from the janitor.

Also, I have an extra basketfier I could lend to the cause if someone wants to set up a temporary bin (you'd need to come back to it to refresh every 2 hours though).

Annnnnd, I have some extra astral vault scrolls for people who want to just store stuff to deal with later.

Just some options I was braining on while procrastinating doing actual work.

The backpack thing is something we tend to do every pay fest for swapping out vault prize pile stuff (rollers, widget gears, etc) and it works fairly well. Sometimes we can even talk (beg, plead, offer bribes) a GM into adding a stayput tag to it so we don't have to monitor it.

[strange yacht]

I should use my astral vault for herbs. Hmm. Potions would take up space, but bundled solid herbs could be fairly efficient as 50per

[zealous thunder]

keep a stocked herb kit in the vault? Does that help with item count and stock levels?

[strange yacht]

hmm, might. Would get 50 extra potions for relatively easy access, but if you're too wounded, still couldn't get to it

[left quartz]

So I just tested it:

Magic Items [1]: a shiny tkaro root
Herbs [3]: a bunch of woth flower, some aloeas stem, a bunch of aloeas stem
Total items: 4
  The kit contains DOSEs of the following solid herbs: acantha (150), ambrominas (150), wolifrew (146), basal (121), ephlox (149), aloeas (150), pothinir (150), cactacae (121), torban (143), haphip (132), calamia (103), woth (150), sovyn (108).  The kit contains TINCTUREs of the following liquid herbs: acantha (150), ambrominas (150), wolifrew (150), rose-marrow (150), basal (150), ephlox (150), bolmara (148), aloeas (150), pothinir (150), cactacae (150), torban (150), haphip (150), talneo (134), calamia (150), woth (150), brostheras (101), wingstem (87), bur-clover (141), sovyn (150).```

And it fit in the astral vault.

[light ruin]

Regional gemstone for SG that reduces swim RT to 1, let's go
Otter Mode: You go Otter Mode (swimming in Spicers' Sea reduced to 1s RT)

[upbeat stream]

I'd also take 1 that removes the fails, a 50% fail rate at 101 ranks was not fun unless this is some anti gnome little legs mech

[left quartz]

Clearly we just need airships we can commandeer

[upbeat stream]

That you took time to do this, chefs kiss

[left quartz]

future enhancement, raft building

[light ruin]

I just ditched all the trash boxes from the pool in my 220, that is hilarious

[left quartz]

You guys are giving Bear Grylls vibes.

[upbeat stream]

Eonak will be pleased with your offering of scrap materials

[sand prism]

Sailor's Grief is a sponsored psychological study

[safe bobcat]

Good idea. I’ll do this later today. lol.

[left quartz]

You can't 🙁

[light ruin]

Not with that attitude

[safe bobcat]

You… can’t set up a booth?!

Still wondering why I bought this thing.

[left quartz]

Pretty sure you need a town flag to set up a stall. 🙁

[light ruin]

Mana cascades across your aganjira robe, causing the fabric to shiver against your skin as it draws the scattered power into it and transforms it into stamina.  [You gain 14 stamina!]
  CS: +495 - TD: +366 + CvA: +5 + d86: +63 - +40 == +157
  Warding failed!
The beam strikes you, setting your nerve endings alight with enervating agony!
Weeping darkness, a translucent deep crimson shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Minor burns to your weapon arm.
The elemental assault disrupts the mana within you!
You have overextended yourself!
You're in heavy shock!```This is so rude, I am going to have to train harness power, ugh

[strange yacht]

Hmm, haven’t seen that effect yet

[light ruin]

I have 7 mana so I end up with like -10 after this attack. If you aren't a KS character you probably never have that issue

[hazy drift]

It’s obviously against policy yes

[strange yacht]

One miiilllliiioonn silvers for an herb! Ping me for delivery! 🚚
Will log in true, alive, non-bot herb delivery character just for you!
(Rate increases to a 2000% upcharge for multiple herb delivery!)

[sand prism]

Truly if someone just setup a stall with the 10 most commonly used herbs and charged like 5k per herb 😬

[strange yacht]

That’s about what it would take to make selling herbs worthwhile. Or you know, just take extra, phone a friend, use an empath bloodstone item to SPIN at T4…

[sand prism]

I wonder if all the town herbalists think seeing the same customers buying loads of herbs every other day is concerning to them....

[hardy nymph]

The problem is loot is really good in SG. In half the amount of time hunting there, you could make 10x as much money as selling herbs

[strange yacht]

Yeah, not having an herb shop is very annoying, but once you know there isn’t one, it is possible to plan for it.

[flint kiln]

You are now in an offensive stance.
H>
You cannot aim that high!``` how can a fish be tall

[hardy nymph]

The astral vault idea is very good. I already moved some stuff into mine specifically for SG use, but hadn’t even thought about that for herbs

[spice dew]

time to go to the feature pavilion and pick "towering" height 😁

[strange yacht]

I brought a cleric over to raise me yesterday, but she died on the way. After Miracle, she was still too wounded to cast even with Determination (T3 nerves), and she had no herbs to heal down—I don’t usually keep her stocked. If I’d known, I would have. Prior planning…
Not that hard to plan for

There’s always decaying if you have to.

[flint kiln]

you can make the zones as harsh and unfair as you want, Im still breaking the economy by extracting maximum silvers from your puny creations (trying a different tactic today lol)

[spice dew]

[SMR result: 198 (Open d100: 75, Bonus: 50)]
Water batters you with astounding force as salty brine floods your mouth and nose!
   ... 9 points of damage!
   Internal organs bruised.
The crashing waves wash you herself a gnarled driftwood staff topped with an azure seaglass orb!``` some weird messaging there at the end

[feral cloak]

Raiding docked ships?

[flint kiln]

Can you make them a bit harder please? And can you do this before the airships are released? You can push back the airships if needed

[light ruin]

A couple full days in, I really enjoy this place. Herbalist and a trash can for the pool and I’m good. I can live without FWI for sure.

[sand prism]

Still see HW full to the brim and I havent been to SG in a week, whats the current population you guys thing?

[light ruin]

Maybe like 10-12 consistent names I’ve seen? Some in MA groups but it’s way less people than HW and I’m fine with that lol

[flint kiln]

200 people here, dont come

unless youre bringing your on demand cleric and healer

[feral cloak]

If I show up on a boat, and that boat disappears at some point, how do I get back?

[spice dew]

go to a dock handler at another port and ask for it to be transferred from talon isle to X

[hardy nymph]

I’ve temporarily moved back to HW so I can spam kill critters to get my 2nd gemstone (at like 7k kills and counting!!), but planning to stay in SG more or less permanently now

I definitely can’t kill 200+ things in 20 minutes in SG

[feral cloak]

How do I get to another port?

[flint kiln]

if you sailed in and your ship is gone, your only recourse is to touch the obelisk -- a few rooms into the island once you leave the docks, it will take you to wehnimers for free and instantly

[hardy nymph]

This has been an excellent month for my fame leaderboard progress

[spice dew]

not with that attitude

[flint kiln]

so as much as we complained about this being "an osa thing, osa only, osa required" it's now actively annoying to sail to Talon Isle

[upbeat stream]

Sir why are you not farming trenchlings?

[hardy nymph]

Still way slower than HW villages. No comparison. And they have too much loot and too many damaging cmans

(I think they’re a lot of fun, objectively, but getting to 7k kills on trenchlings would have taken a much longer time)

[flint kiln]

duffy could farm trenchys but not when I have to mug 6 of them at a go.. NEED aoe mug please

[hardy nymph]

Yeah trenchlings are super cool though. They remind me of the little evil blowdart creatures from Moana

[feral cloak]

Guess i need to bring Kelfree with me on my next voyage to keep my ship around.

[flint kiln]

and then another kelfree to hold a table, and another kelfree to hold the trash, and another kelfree to play herbalist, and another....

[spice dew]

the ship is the table and the trashcan

too bad you can't stock your mess hall with healing herbs, but i suppose you could stuff extra herbs in the cargo

[flint kiln]

the name Lord TrashWheel is AVAILABLE

[feral cloak]

Kelfree is just to make sure the ship doesn’t disappear. It would be nice if those stuck around a bit longer

[left quartz]

I was happy when mine disappeared, that ship was captained once and it was a nightmare. Scuttle it immediately... to the bottom of the sea with you!

[left quartz]

LITERALLY Tijay and I stepping off The Gleaming Ashen Jewel.

[flint kiln]

This magic will not help you in your current state.``` what fresh rolton dung is this

[upbeat stream]

One of us had to learn to sail on the fly

[flint kiln]

can you not symb return when rooted? is that what that is? -- the eternal guessing game because dev cant be bothered

[left quartz]

I mean we both had equal knowledge going into it.

AND I STILL SAY…
Big boat, sails come down
Small boat, sails go up.

[light ruin]

MDR SvD: +61 + o100 roll: +73 == +134
Grasping jaws and lightless eyes materialize from the shadows as the shark coalesces to deliver a violent bite!
Your preparation to resist puncturing damage helps to lessen the effects as you are struck!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Minor puncture to the right leg.
You are struck by an acute sense of vulnerability.```This attack is really creative and cool, so is the whelk one that applies a -20% lightning resist debuff

[light ruin]

Ok that's two of these I've found now, and this time I actually noticed it upon find. This thing's probably going to be special eventually...

||While searching the harpy, you discover a mummified shark heart wrapped in strips of cloth.||

It's a monsterbold find, too.

[vague goblet]

Eat it. This will continue to be my advice for anything new you guys report

[light ruin]

Can't eat it. Laaaaaame

My guess is it will be ||the idol equivalent for summoning the SG boss|| in the future

[crude brook]

It will release the kraken

[light ruin]

How are wizards killing primordials? My 30m mage has no answer for those. 800 bolt DS, 550 TD, and generally unbothered by 917 (it does damage, but not much, and they don't crit). Plan is to just not attack them I guess.

[hardy nymph]

My recipe has been 3 x 417 (need to make sure the luminescent aura is gone), then 413, then 3 x immolation. My guy is a bolter but also has a decent CS.

502 also works in lieu of immolation, just takes longer

[light ruin]

Hmm yeah my CS is not going to work for that one I don't think but I will give it a shot.

[vague goblet]

530 not better than 3x 417?

[hardy nymph]

530 costs a ton of mana doesn’t it? 417 is like 1 mana per cast

[vague goblet]

It would be 5 more mana (1x 20 vs 3 x 5), but save you 2 casts. Oh, and looks like both 417 and 530 have a mana cost reduction via EMC.

[hardy nymph]

Sometimes I need a fourth cast of 417 to nuke the luminescent aura

[vague goblet]

530: The overall minimum is 10 mana and the overall maximum is 20 mana.

[hardy nymph]

Yeah that’s a bunch of extra mana. Primordials are a slow kill regardless, so I’d rather save the mana I think

[light ruin]

For wizards they seem like they qualify for "not worth killing unless they're your bounty target"

[hardy nymph]

Can’t disagree with that. I can reliably take them down, but it takes a fair amount of mana

Their DS is so high I still can - barely - just scratch them with the arcane sidearm

And that’s after a ton of dispels

[light ruin]

Yeah if my guy can't take them down with dispel + 502 I'm probably going to just not attack 'em

SMR SvD: +99 + Bonus: +1 + o100 roll: +16 == +116
Relentless in your assault, you unleash a frenzy of violence upon a brackish bilge mass!
You attempt to jab a brackish bilge mass!

 ** Your black and grey handwraps glow brightly for a moment, consuming the magical energies around the bilge mass! **
A shadow seems to detach itself from a brackish bilge mass, swiftly dissipating into the air.
A hazy film coats a brackish bilge mass.

You have good positioning against a brackish bilge mass.
  UAF: 876 vs UDF: 812 = 1.078 * MM: 94 + d100: 86 = 187
  ... and hit for 25 points of damage!
You lose the intense focus of your ki energy.
You attempt to punch a brackish bilge mass!
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
You have good positioning against a brackish bilge mass.
  UAF: 876 vs UDF: 812 = 1.078 * MM: 105 + d100: 43 = 156
  ... and hit for 58 points of damage!
  Strike leaves foe vulnerable to a followup kick attack!

 ** Necrotic energy from your black and grey handwraps overflows into you! **
   You feel reinvigorated!
You attempt to kick a brackish bilge mass!
You have excellent positioning against a brackish bilge mass.
  UAF: 876 vs UDF: 795 = 1.101 * MM: 103 + d100: 80 = 193
  ... and hit for 131 points of damage!

 ** Night falls, bearing the bilge mass down beneath a crushing wave of fear! **
   ... 25 points of damage!
Roundtime: 1 sec.
R>
A brackish bilge mass sprouts mismatched limbs with too many joints and squirms south.```Getting beat up and deciding "no, this sucks, I'm leaving". Relatable tbh

[left quartz]

Think of how all those trenchlings feel!

[light ruin]

No pity for trenchlings, those little buggars are squishy alone but suddenly they call the whole crew and you watch your HP go from 200 to 0 in like four seconds.

[left quartz]

Just have to learn to hide, sir. o7

[light ruin]

I had 202 S&H at one point and my like-level chance to hide was -83% per COMBAT DEF. Stealth is only usable by two professions lol

[upbeat stream]

Wash your hands after touching something that nasty

[plush token]

Who has 200 hp these days, 300+ is the new norm

[light ruin]

Just as soon as empaths get down to 2m/week

[rocky sandal]

When it gets down to 2M/week I've got a years worth of them to make for myself...so.

[light ruin]

A completely dispelled primordial has 525 elemental TD. I'm just not going to attack these at all lol. Wow what an extremely wizard unfriendly mob

[rocky sandal]

Still sounds better than greater constructs or vvreal(sp)

[light ruin]

You grunt a short phrase of dwarven incantations as you prepare the Elemental Dispel spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a grey-plumed steelwing harpy.
A bolt of energy leaps from a grey-plumed steelwing harpy to the ground.
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.
>stance off
>incant 904
>stance guarded
The burning rage abates, leaving you with a disquieting sense of lost momentum.
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You are now in an offensive stance.
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You grunt a short phrase of dwarven incantations as you prepare the Minor Acid spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a grey-plumed steelwing harpy.
You hurl a hissing stream of acid at a grey-plumed steelwing harpy!
  AS: +594 vs DS: +634 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +95 = +90
   A clean miss.
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.```This area does not appear to be a good fit for my wizard

[rocky sandal]

Is it just in defensive?

[light ruin]

I had cast 912 before this clip and I don't have any other means to stance it. 917 wait and pray seems like all I've got. Bolting is so bad lol.

[rocky sandal]

Yeah, my wizard would legit have no shot, he's base 501AS.

[light ruin]

That's with +50 Spell Aim, +40 DEX, 211 and 215 on.

[rocky sandal]

I've got +35SA and +24 dex. But not the 200s

[feral cloak]

Not much better for melee, I have to spell cleave them at least twice to get their DS down to something manageable.

[rocky sandal]

fwiw people did start complaining that other ASC areas were too easy.

[sand prism]

I fought a couple of those 950 defense primordials, usually just 917 and spam steam hoping my double dispel does work...

[light ruin]

I think that just means make the enemies more deadly. Not hard to even land a hit on. Being unable to hit isn't fun.

[sand prism]

Finally a use case for dispel flares! Hallejuaha! Plus i csn use the sigil instant dispel wave feature.... a dream come true.

[light ruin]

That harpy was fully dispelled and still had 640 DS.

917 -> 413 -> 502 spam works well on harpys

[light ruin]

I'm taking my wizard's talents back to the Hinterwilds, he'll be better here when I finish his AUR (only 17/40) and get some more ascension exp

[feral cloak]

It’d be great if the primordials couldn’t climb trees.

[plush token]

I'm hoping for a currency that provides lightning damage nullification from the water and attacking primordials. Those are the only two things causing me problems.

[spice dew]

i’ve just been ignoring it and riding the lightning

[sand prism]

local currency that gives you access to FWI for 3 minutes, 10 doubloons!

I think they are doing unpopular critters like greater constructs, HW golems, and primordials all wrong..... Its a given that they were made to be tanky or hard to kill so players are forced to eat the TTK slowdown BUT they should compensate for that with special drops like alchemy stuff, collectibles, or something else. If golems have a 10% to drop "something of value" outside the normal loot then people would not be so annoyed at having to fight them.

[light ruin]

I'm gonna keep it a buck, I don't bother attacking tentacles at all

[sand prism]

tentacles should be a community goal, kill 50 and get X event or boost limited to X minutes per hour

or once again a special drop, 5% chance to drop "something of value" that you shouldnt rely on but hey its something

[feral cloak]

Aw man I really thought I had found something here You feel around in the muck and pull out a polished white ora shield medallion inlaid with soulstone runes!

[sand prism]

what was it

[feral cloak]

spent NATA enhancive

[spice dew]

lol

[sand prism]

People use those, I wonder how long they last. 2 weeks?

[feral cloak]

10 charges on it, if you are diligent with your enhancives they could last a while

[light ruin]

I now have an astonishing 67 mana on my KS monk. Let's see you give me major nerve damage now, primordials. i probably will immediately get major nerve damage next hunt ah well, never the less,

[left quartz]

I can probably make you a B1 in exchange for some monk recharging?

[light ruin]

Now we're talking! Will DM

[light ruin]

This is incredibly funny, I didn't have to train Harness Power at all, by the time I am done with this bloodstone item it'll be +50 mana, rofl. Currently rocking 87 mana with it on. I should just go pure monk build and hunt with 1210 at this point. Thanks again Riend!

[upbeat stream]

Just buying your way around a problem is the true spirit of the game

[sand prism]

My GoS warrior got 25 EXPENSIVE HP ranks..... this could be Yuge Savings!

[flint kiln]

yet another day with no commentary on FWI or trash cans 🎉

[crimson gull]

Any thoughts as to why wizards can gate around Sailor's Grief but Sorcerers cannot portal?

[strange yacht]

Are herbs broken? The quartermaster, Reiya, aboard the Contempt in Sailor's Grief is working on a concoction that requires a bell-shaped bract of sea spurge found in Sailor's Grief near Talon Isle. These samples must be in pristine condition. You have been tasked to retrieve 6 samples.Every single room on [Sailor's Grief, Islet - 35729] just seems to have two things that I can see so far:

The surroundings look lush and verdant.```
 Not sure those missions are working with the herb data. Still looking around

[left quartz]

I found the sea spurge in this room:
[Talon Isle, Beach - 35620 - 35620] (u7150220)

Glancing about, you notice the immediate area should support specimens of stalk of chicory, broken twig, fig, banana leaf, lobe-leafed bearberry, and bract of sea spurge.
The surroundings look lush and verdant.```

Maybe check there? Might help check if it's borked or not.

[strange yacht]

Ahh, I was looking for the rooms that said "Sailor's Grief" specifically, hah. I'll go check

[spice dew]

all the herb tasks i've been able to complete on talon isle

[strange yacht]

Talon Isle does have some things:
[Talon Isle, Shore - 35645] (u7150101)

Glancing about, you notice the immediate area should support specimens of broken twig, ginger root, orange heliconia, lobster-claw heliconia, crimson heliconia, pearly green vine, and sugar cane.

Found the room, but the point and click herb search fails here:

>
d100(Open): 92
As you carefully forage around you can find no hint of what you are looking for.  You are not even positive where it may be found.
Roundtime: 6 sec.```

'forage for sea spurge' manually works

[left quartz]

Yeah, it's one of those weird things where "Sailor's Grief" is just the overarching name given to alllllllll the hunting grounds together. I had the very same reaction at one point when I was trying to figure out what spawned in which areas. 🫠

[strange yacht]

Thanks for the room info. Only room with it so far. Still looking

Found more spurge over here:
[Moghreb Jungle, Ridge - 35629] (u7150213)

[spice dew]

even the name is meant to cause grief

[strange yacht]

[You have earned 110 bounty points, 880 experience points, and 550 silver.]``` 6 sea spurge. Hmm. Low BP reward there

[light ruin]

I don't pay attention to forage BP rewards but that does seem really low

[spice dew]

[You have earned 275 bounty points, 880 experience points, and 1375 silver.] for 8 yuzu

[sand prism]

I assume its based on forage plant type with some plants just being way harder than others

[hardy nymph]

I’ve never been able to figure out the BP rewards for herb bounties. Honestly they seem random to me. 110 is like the absolute lowest the system will spit out, I think maybe 880 is the highest

It’s always 880 experience in ASC zones though

[strange yacht]

Yeah, I think HW is mostly in the 300-400s or so. I don’t pay that much attention to herb bounties normally, but 110 stood out as being lower than I would expect for Ascension.

[sand prism]

I have definitely seen some almost 1000 point herbs but they have been in very random level bands and areas

[shut compass]

I remember onions being a 1000 point bounty in minotaurs for whatever bizarre reason.

[frozen cipher]

The cursed ones in the rift brought a good price

[light ruin]

SMR SvD: +16 + Bonus: +15 + o100 roll: +167 == +198
One of the voltaic lashes twines around you in a flash, and pain wracks your body!
Your wiregrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the electrical damage!
   ... 44 points of damage!
   Electrical shock overloads your nervous system!  Quite fatal.```Glad I had that ranger trinket, that could have been bad

[strange yacht]

One killed me like that even in heavily padded full plate, and with a max trinket too

[strange yacht]

Admittedly, lightning deaths are common even in OTF because some flares are just death regardless of any padding.

[rocky sandal]

The problem (benefit) of electric is that a single point of electric damage can trigger a nerve crit.

The vast majority of my deaths in OTF are a single plink of physical damage from a crystal weapon followed by a nerve crit.

[flint kiln]

cheap and infuriating, the way it was intended

[proven aspen]

i know stastically it's not supposed to be a huge difference but my lightning flaring gear seems to kill things way more often than the other cat b flares

[plush token]

No lightning flares 100% kill more often due to fatal nerve deaths

[jaunty hamlet]

yeah that's expected. it's like all flares are basically the same *†‡

-# * lightning kills slightly more
-# † grapple and unbalance are almost guaranteed knockdowns
-# ‡ do not use steam

[sand prism]

But only lightning lets you add the lightsaber sound effect to your highlights without it being cringe

[plush token]

No way, that's plasma only

[sand prism]

eww, no one likes plasma

[solar jolt]

aww...

[hardy nymph]

Doesn’t the lightning nerve crit rank depend on the base damage done? Only nerve crit rank 3+ is fatal I believe

So never get hit for rank 3 lightning damage and never die? (I could be wrong about that)

[fast basalt]

I like plasma, but that's just me.

[rocky sandal]

Yeah but it’s like 6+ for most dmg types isn’t it. Granted there’s only a 1:5 chance an electric crit hits nerves, which mitigates it somewhat.

[hardy nymph]

I would say, 40% lightning resistance never sounded so good

[strange yacht]

Had it. Doesn’t help

[frozen cipher]

Wouldn't 40% cover most of the time, but not all the time? I mean, that's the real problem with lightning isn't it? The threshold is so low for a death crit, that resist can't save you every time, but maybe it saves you 50% of the time?

[fast basalt]

Just gotta coat your armor in rubber.

[frozen cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/it-works-every-tme-60percent-anchorman-brian-fantana-gif-11408850

[strange yacht]

It’s the nerve hits. It doesn’t really care about resists or padding. It does help some on the other ones.

[night thicket]

Blessing flourish has certainly cut many a hunt short

[fast basalt]

[Singing Crags, Trumpet Tree]
Cascading blossoms in all of the hues of the sky at sunrise, from cheery saffron to sedate ash rose, erupt from the foliage of the trumpet tree.  They litter the platforms suspended from its sturdy branches, turning them into a road of dazzling colors.  Dappled sunlight filters through the leaves above, creating shifting patterns on woven mats and uncured hides scattered across the crude planks of wood.  You also see a fulminating stormborn primordial.
Obvious paths: northwest
>Stance offensive
A fulminating stormborn primordial streaks forward faster than the eye can see, leaving smoking plumes behind as its jagged tendrils propel it aggressively into the fray.
Jagged tendrils of electricity unfurl from a fulminating stormborn primordial.  It spins violently, sending them whipping outward in a fizzling spiral!
[SMR result: 264 (Open d100: 266)]
One of the voltaic lashes twines around you in a flash, and pain wracks your body!
Your tree moss cuff pulses briefly, deflecting some of the electrical damage!
   ... 23 points of damage!
   Electric blast goes right to the heart!  You'll miss that steady beat.
A faint silvery glow fades from around you.
The brilliant aura fades away from you.
The layer of protection fades away.
You feel the extra courage wane.
You feel your extra strength departing.

It seems you have died, my friend.  Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 14 mins...```Zap

[left quartz]

I hear you should coat your armor in rubber.

[fast basalt]

I was waiting for this! and I would if I could. The cuff did what it could but yeah, just not enough.

[rocky sandal]

Yeah, the threshold for fatal nerve crits is so low that even a 40% resist is unlikely to mitigate it down enough to not be fatal except in edge cases.

[fast basalt]

That shot there only had 25% lightning resistance. This was the first case of it crit killing me so far. The death immediately on walk-in is a bit more questionable IMO though since they gave everyone base maneuver/magical redux specifically to avoid these kinds of events.

I've also noticed kelpies at times ignoring RT or terror inducement but I need to test on them a bit more. They're the only other thing that's killed me so far in there off some CS spell that one-shotted me too.

Definitely challenging.

[left quartz]

Players have been saying for years that lightning is the best flare... they just decided to turn that around on us. 🙂

[loud linden]

Also got one shot by lightning. Can confirm. I thought it was a GM at first lol

I wonder if one of the three buffs help protect against it ?

[spice dew]

been thinking about converting to charl, i need more lightning in my life

[upbeat stream]

You know the rules, 1 intercession every 5 years

[crimson gull]

@idle gale It appears that sorcerers can't read the runes in any room so that they can't portal around Sailor's grief. Is that on purpose, i.e. some RP reason? Or is it something that's being worked on?

[spice dew]

at least i wouldn’t have to change my wardrobe

[flint kiln]

auchand has been one-bolting players and ignoring your buffs since stormpeak

[light ruin]

SMR SvD: +41 + Bonus: +20 + o100 roll: +46 == +107
Water batters you with astounding force as salty brine floods your mouth and nose!
A nebulous steel grey latticework springs up from the surface of your kelyn-banded armor and shields you from some of the damage!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Blow raises a welt on your left arm.
The crashing waves wash you himself a gnarled driftwood staff topped with an azure seaglass orb!
!>```1. This guy just waterboarded me
2. `The crashing waves wash you himself ` something seems amiss with the messaging there

[flint kiln]

I love the trenchlings because as long as you leave one alive, they will just keep calling and calling and calling treasure -- I mean friends. It might be the quickest and easiest hunt in the whole game. It's only balanced out by the infinite open roll hamstrings. Its basically a silvers slot machine 🎉

[fast basalt]

||You pick the jewel-pipped dice up, the cold metal oddly not warming to the heat of your palm. After giving them a good shake, you roll them across the wood of the deck. Both dice come to rest showing a single onyx skull. A terrible chill runs through your body as the shadow of the dice seems to stretch, yawning into a great black void that engulfs all light. A laughing skull wreathed in flames roars out of the darkness, mouth agape in a silent scream as it races to devour you. You open your mouth to scream, but no sound comes out. Just as it seems you will be consumed, the skull bursts into a curtain of acrid smoke, and you hear maniacal laughter all around you. As the smoke clears, you find yourself back on the deck of the Contempt as if nothing at all has occurred. None of the crew around you seem to have noticed your ordeal.
Roundtime: 5 sec.|| Interesting dice roll.

[flint kiln]

Id love to see a list of all the changes that were made directly due to all the time and energy that players devoted to testing SG ❤️

[hardy nymph]

Has anyone discovered what the buffs other than deadman’s luck do?

[flint kiln]

what does deadmans luck do?

[wraith rivet]

I thought the Deadman's luck would help with increasing chance of the albatross dropping your dead body on the Contempt when/if you die

[fast basalt]

I have no idea what any of the buffs do, honestly.

[strange yacht]

Huh. This is weird. Tried to sell my rucksack of skins to the furrier in HW:In the leather rucksack: Skins [3]: a bundle of trenchling teeth, a bundle of harpy feathers, a bundle of whelk shell fragments
These SG ones here won't sell to him. Others did, I believe, but not these:

Bramblefist tries to conceal his excitement.  He says, "I'd take this off your hands for I'll pay you 33,838 silvers for it."
>You tuck the trenchling teeth into one of the small rune-marked pouches lining the inside of your samite cloak.
>sell clo
Bramblefist takes the samite cloak and inspects the contents carefully.  Bramblefist hands it back to you and says, "Quit wasting my time Fulmen!"```Doesn't work inside my cloak either.```>get teeth
You grab a bundle of trenchling teeth from one of the small rune-marked pouches lining the inside of your samite cloak.
>sell teet
Bramblefist accepts the trenchling teeth hesitantly before paying you 33,838 silvers.```

Also, there's a weird typo in his line: Bramblefist tries to conceal his excitement. He says, "I'd take this off your hands for I'll pay you 33,838 silvers for it."

Looks like the typo is on regular HW skins too: You ask Bramblefist to appraise a bundle of warg pelts. Bramblefist tries to conceal his excitement. He says, "I'd take this off your hands for I'll pay you 1,907 silvers for it."

Skins [5]: a bundle of warg pelts, a bundle of hinterboar manes, a bundle of mastodon trunks, a bundle of harpy feathers, a bundle of whelk shell fragments
>sell ruc
Bramblefist takes the leather rucksack, inspects the contents carefully and removes the items he is interested in.  Bramblefist hands it back to you, along with 5,105 silver.
>look in my ruc
In the leather rucksack:
Skins [2]: a bundle of harpy feathers, a bundle of whelk shell fragments```

[flint kiln]

the typos idk about, but if youve hunted the hive at all, you'll know that the furrier doesn't really "see" bundles worth more than 35k, and wont automatically buy them when you try to sell the container. If you try to appraise the container, they come up as "too expensive" or something to that effect.. but they do sell if you get the bundle and sell the bundle

[strange yacht]

Hmm, maybe that was it

[flint kiln]

Do an appraise it will make slightly more sense

[strange yacht]

Well, that one. 33.8k. 28k for the feathers. 37k for fragments.

[light ruin]

  CS: +533 - TD: +410 + CvA: -8 + d100: +71 - +30 == +156
  Warding failed!
A pallid fog-cloaked kelpie blasts you for 81 points of damage.
Some kelyn-banded armor partially deflects the onslaught of the impact attack.
   ... 14 points of damage!
   Good blow to your left leg!
   You are stunned for 2 rounds!
 knocked over by the blast!
Roundtime: 18 sec.```These kelpies got hands

[proven aspen]

My first death on SG test was that . It did a lot of damage considering I was KS.

[light ruin]

SMR SvD: +11 - Penalty: +25 + o100 roll: +175 == +161
The tuna strikes you hard and slaps you repeatedly in the face with its tail!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Jarring blow to your back.
Roundtime: 13 sec.```i cannot stop laughing, what on earth

[fast basalt]

Threw a jellyfish at me earlier. It seems to pick some random sea creature. Missoni got a squid before.

[spice dew]

yeah that's the first tuna i've seen lol

[light ruin]

The climb in the Seat of Storms must have an extremely harsh check on it. 1x climb (max on a pure), no wounds or encumbrance and I just keep falling

[vague goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-slap-w2s-slap-funny-sidemen-gif-20599048

[upbeat stream]

Staff stowed?

[sand prism]

Is there a clear division between the critters on the Seat and those below the climb or just the same in both areas?

[upbeat stream]

No, if your up top everything can spawn down below

[light ruin]

No go2 doesnt do that 😭 lol

[sand prism]

guess ya need another gold ring

[fast basalt]

Open hands help, 0 encumberance helps, 0 wounds help, but yeah, it's a more difficult check than most. Missoni makes it up but it can take a few attempts. I'm 2xing climbing right now which is making it easier. The other hard check is the one to the shrine on Talon. I've fallen off both a few times though at 101.

[stuck mural]

i have been going to offensive instead of putting my staff away because of spell sever but yeah, it's a tough climb even at 101 ranks.

[fast basalt]

You mean you don't live in offensive...? 😛

[sand prism]

We need a climbing mini-game.... (Have any of you guys ever played an "only up" style video game event?)

https://tenor.com/view/a-difficult-game-about-climbing-about-climbing-climbing-man-fall-gif-14594334159319378107

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvNBYKXge9s (3D version)

[left quartz]

Someone tricked me into dropping my swimming/climbing from 1x to finish spells faster and there was instant regret the night I went to SG.

[idle gale]

Huh.

[leaden hearth]

That's the untold lore of most of the Contempt's more... permanent residents.

[light ruin]

I’ve exclusively hunted SG on my mains since it opened and I’ve gotten used to the swimming. I’m making do without a herbalist and wouldn’t hate to see one if a lore-appropriate shop can be established. Would still love to see a trash can in the pool room. I honestly don’t think FWI is necessary and would risk turning SG into just another hunting area. I like it being and feeling remote. I really dig the whole package and am enjoying hunting here a lot. Some good SG regional gemstones would be an exciting addition to the pool too and I hope we see that (or just repurpose the Nelemar ones because lol Nelemar).

[flint kiln]

me when I wonder why there isnt a trash can yet

[amber anvil]

I’m sure asking daily is the way to get one!

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

[solar jolt]

Finally getting around to having a slow look at all the rooms- really liking the feel/look of the place. Very priatesofthelovecraftian.

[flint kiln]

Love your attitude, Im almost sad I wont get to read your posts every day! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[rocky sandal]

pot/kettle

[fast basalt]

I've just been doing what Fulmen suggested and using my basket for trashcan. Works out fine for me. I suspect eventually a trash receptable will be placed there though.

[left quartz]

Duffy... as much as I'm still mad at you for stealing yet ANOTHER stam recov enhancive, I have a basket you can borrow (until EG when I need it back for permification)

[spice dew]

[The Contempt, Main Deck - 35595] (u7150605)
Near a driftwood trestle table erected on the ship's grey-green deck, the railing has given way to permit a dangerous but thorough view of the ship's starboard hull.  Despite the great age of the vessel and its considerable disrepair, there are the bones of a sleek and predatory ship beneath the decay.  The timbers around her portholes are painted in silver gilt and emerald lacquer to form radiating streamers of kelp.  You also see a dead halfling pirate.
Obvious paths: south, west```

seems as if most people have adapted in the short term. i've been enjoying yeeting trash into 220's. where does it go? who knows?! 😁

[spice dew]

our trash can should just be a dead pirate that swabs the deck 🏴‍☠️

[light ruin]

I vote yes trash can
Indifferent herbalist
No fwi

Keep SG Weird

[hardy nymph]

I’d prefer a trash barrel

[sand prism]

Who would have known a simple trashcan would be the most sought after item in the highest ascension zone of a 30 year game
They should auction off a gold trashcan at the next Mania

[thorny thistle]

doesn't the extra objects laying around cause issues with lag for the game?

[vague goblet]

Get a tent, upgrade to have trash can. Or like, goat pins. (Neither are obviously solutions here, but I appreciate my personal trash access options!)

[thorny thistle]

maybe we can have a quest to unlock trash can access. 🤣

New one for the mission command.

[hardy nymph]

Boss mob is Oscar the Grouch

[flint kiln]

maybe the trashcan is just a chute that yeets them overboard, and thats why the tentacles are so mad

[mystic helm]

But, how am I supposed to unload this cache of goat pins if they introduce free trash cans all over the place! My special items!

[sand prism]

The sea creatures are probably justified in trying to drive us from their lands and sea because of the 1,000s of metal boxes, bedraggled clothings, and trinkets thrown overboard every single day.

[flint kiln]

does this mean we won't have to swim much longer? 😈

[solar jolt]

Wouldn't all of the trash already exist on the island if the creatures have it? I think if anything we're there cleaning it up/consolidating it.

[left quartz]

Y'all gonna make a whole new island at this rate. Populated with trash monsters.

[thorny thistle]

where does all the trash go that is put into the trash cans?

[left quartz]

I always pictured tiny otters in little work vests would go around collecting the trash when no one was looking

[flint kiln]

You also see an amaranthine kraken tentacle, an amaranthine kraken tentacle, an amaranthine kraken tentacle and an amaranthine kraken tentacle. uhhhhh Guys I uhhh I changed my mind, trash cans are dumb, FWI access is worthless, this is the best zone ever

[light ruin]

it gets shipped to a beach in a third-world country (Rivers rest)

[solar jolt]

it feels like tentacle spawn rate has been reduced

or maybe they are all 'watching over' Duffield

[light ruin]

I have to say I disagree with that, the tentacles just go sicko mode when there's 2-3 people in a zone. kind of a bit much. probably needs to be a limiter on how many can be in a room/area at a time. Was just in there and it was tough to even move rooms without getting tentacled

[solar jolt]

which area were you in?

[light ruin]

ship graveyard

[solar jolt]

I've been in the wreckage area of the Seat and it's been pretty slim on the tentacles.. oh ya - that place I think due to the # of rooms maybe gets really congested with tentacles.

I hope I never have to say, 'congested with tentacles' again.

[light ruin]

Planks of ebon-hued cypress are silty with the clumpy powder leaking from toppled barrels along the deck.  Fragments of netting, bleached to charcoal grey, dangle from corroded stays, flicking against masts crusty with salt deposits.  A skeleton leaned up against the base of one mast still clutches a rusted iron cup between bony hands as if about to drink, and the metal and bone rattle together unsettlingly in the breeze.  The dead sailor's eye sockets balefully watch the hold's dark entrance.  You also see a rusted steel backsword with a filigreed brass pommel, an amaranthine kraken tentacle, an amaranthine kraken tentacle, an amaranthine kraken tentacle, the Nidal disk, an amaranthine kraken tentacle, a dejected cavern spirit that is flying around, a garish revenant buccaneer that appears immobilized, a stale peach tart and the hold's entrance.
Obvious paths: north, southwest```This is excessive. They aren't exactly easy to kill quickly either. If the Hive's area hazard is the pit traps, you get rid of those by typing SEARCH. There's too many of the tentacles for them to be considered an equivalent area hazard given the effort it takes to kill one, but they don't have loot so the effort to kill them doesn't feel worthwhile either.

[sand prism]

https://tenor.com/view/tentacles-gif-19959280 (First thing that comes up in Discord GIFs, don't blame me!)

[solar jolt]

ya that's a lot - did just notice that they drool?

An amaranthine kraken tentacle drools with ravenous hunger!

[flint kiln]

from where....

yeah, ship graveyard is where I REALLY see tons of tentacles.. seat of storms its usually pretty manageable, but the graveyard is where I will see like nothing but tentacles

[solar jolt]

maybe it's just a giant rat in a tentacle costume

[jaunty hamlet]

kratken

[fast basalt]

Yeah, the Ship Graveyard does have a lot of tentacles, I'd agree on that. I basically was fighting them off the entire time hunting there today just to hit the stuff around them.

[jaunty hamlet]

yeah i dunno if it's they spawn too much (as in the max raw number) or too fast. I can kill them quite fast and it was a problem keeping up every room would have a couple practically i eventually just gave up and was like look if they start the bear hug death spiral so be it but i don't want to k ill 80 tentacles for a kill 11 oracle bounty

[distant zinc]

So ||that Shark Heart looks like food can it be used as bait and tackle on a fishing pole to lure a certain fish from the depth's of the ocean? ||

[crimson gull]

Any talk of why sorcerers can't portal in GS?

[wraith rivet]

A sudden tailwind catches you by surprise, propelling you forward with sudden celerity.
J>
The fel totem dangling from your wrist starts to twitch with a phantom heartbeat and sways back and forth like a pendulum before falling back into silence.
J>
Citan lets loose an echoing shout! 

Citan's shout encourages your fighting spirit! 
J>
Citan lets loose an echoing shout! 

Citan's shout encourages your fighting spirit! 
J>
Citan seems to lose some dexterity.
Suddenly, the connection between you and the foreign magic upon you becomes severed!
You feel your extra strength departing.```

Seems that the tailwind gives us 506 for about 10 seconds, but it ended up severing one of our outside spells.

[solar jolt]

maybe it could be a buff that works like celerity but isn't 506 so that spells don't get severed.

[amber anvil]

Poor guy. Did I hurt your feelings or something? Lmao

Almost as bad as the people asking if they should assist because there’s been no movement on the Sadie scroll a couple days after submitting.

[left quartz]

I did that once, but it was because I broke them.

[spice dew]

neat, thanks for sharing

[amber anvil]

If there are hundreds of additional items in an area it can make that area lag sure. But look at town centers with their benches that have containers full of items.

The janitor also cleans up the empty boxes if they’re not just dropped in a room that people congregate.

[flint kiln]

hey, just wondering if we could get a trash can at the locksmithpool on the contempt, thanks! ❤️

[spice dew]

[SMR result: 146 (Open d100: 83, Bonus: 5)]
Jaws wide, the barracuda flies at you and takes a brutal bite!
A nebulous cerulean latticework springs up from the surface of your leather aketon and shields you from some of the damage!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Strike to the chest breaks a rib!
Blood sprays from your chest in a crimson arc!
   ... 7 points of damage!```

[light ruin]

Waiting for a golem to throw a whale shark at me

[twin pine]

Current opinion: too many kraken tentacles if they are intended to be an environmental effect that we skip. If you want us to kill them there has to be some reason to kill them.

[jaunty hamlet]

whoa buddy. they are gentle giants. That would be tragic.

[lyric folio]

The golems? Or the whale sharks?

[sand prism]

How about a brand new trashcan but its in the middle of the sea?

Sense
You notice the following places in the sea:
The Contempt
Talon Isle
Floating Trashcan
Storm's Seat

[jaunty hamlet]

that just makes you swim all the way to Teras

[upbeat stream]

Waiting for the electric eel in a water room

[light ruin]

Diabolical and I hope that's a possibility because lol

[light ruin]

After navigating through the wreckage, you find a ship low in the water and climb aboard, flopping onto the deck.
[The Mageborn, Broken Bow - 35608] (u7150503)
The Mageborn's bow rises in splintered ruin, its fractured timbers jutting sharply above the grasping surf.  Rusted metal bindings cling stubbornly to weathered wood, leaving trails the color of dried blood down the faded and flaking blue paint.  Relentless waves crash against the hull, spraying seafoam onto the salt-crusted features of a battered figurehead in the form of a woman with a proud countenance and ringleted hair.  The hull below is shattered, allowing the ocean into the ship's forward hold.  You also see a brackish bilge mass, a brackish bilge mass that appears dead, an ancient fog-cloaked kelpie that is lying down, a garish revenant buccaneer that appears dead, a slender brown fox, the mural-sided Perigourd cassone and a lazy wild deep black dog.
Also here: Perigourd, Bathcwyn Missoni
Obvious paths: east, south, down

You can SWIM out to sea here.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>
Missoni and an ancient fog-cloaked kelpie appear to be in a violent mental struggle!
An ancient fog-cloaked kelpie seems to be trying to dodge something!
An ancient fog-cloaked kelpie is engulfed in an eerie, dark haze!
She flinches in pain!
   ... 30 points of damage!
   Gruesome slash opens the fog-cloaked kelpie's forehead!
   Grey matter spills forth!

[You have completed this portion of your Adventurer's Guild task.]```LOL, I had run out of mana right after spawning the kelpie last hunt, the second I get back I happen to be in time to see it die. Incredible, I love it, thanks Missoni!

[jaunty hamlet]

man i totally read that as missoni dying to torment from the kelpie and that somehow triggered your bounty. which would have been so much more hilarious

[spice dew]

took me several tries to take down an ancient kelpie yesterday; that thing was mean

[flint kiln]

Huh.

[stuck mural]

i didn't even notice it was ancient 😂

[hardy nymph]

You know what we need to make SG even more challenging…? Boon creatures!

[light ruin]

who hurt you?

[hardy nymph]

Primordial that keeps resurrecting itself? Yes, please

[left quartz]

I got eviscerate and coupe for every life it's got!

[flint kiln]

You also see a glorious amaranthine kraken tentacle, a glorious amaranthine kraken tentacle, a glorious amaranthine kraken tentacle and a glorious amaranthine kraken tentacle.

[jaunty hamlet]

if you get 8 in the room does it summon the kraken?

[night thicket]

A tenebrific wraith shark's form unravels into gyrating veils of shadow that whirl around you in a tenebrous tornado!
[MDR result: 215 (Open d100: 146, Penalty: 2)]
Grasping jaws and lightless eyes materialize from the shadows as the shark coalesces to deliver a violent bite!
Weeping darkness, a translucent flat black shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
Some shadowy lathonian scalemail emblazoned with a vaalorn wolf partially deflects the onslaught of the puncture attack.
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Attack punctures the eye and connects with something really vital!
The aura of righteous wrath leaves you.
You feel the extra courage wane.
You feel the unnatural surge of necrotic power wane away.
The rush of collective knowledge of the undead fades from your mind.
The layer of protection fades away.```

Yikes.
40% Resist and Paladin Standard flare.

[jaunty hamlet]

Taking a rank 4 on a 215 endroll seems more than fair with that honestly. Just puncture to the eye go brrrrr

[sand prism]

When we getting transcend destiny titles at 5 and 10 ranks? (titles > trashcan)

[flint kiln]

Any word on a trash can yet?

[sand prism]

https://tenor.com/view/plead-the-fif-quiet-gif-7194514

[frozen cipher]

Destiny's Child?

[rocky sandal]

Nope. But…you knew that.

[flint kiln]

Well, now I do. Thanks for letting me know ❤️

[distant zinc]

I personally don't expect one. I mean it's built into the description of the place. ---||[Talon Isle, Treasure Beach - 35648] (u7150104)
The dark waters of the abounding sea have heaped their tithes upon the sand. Baubles of gold and silver and copper wink from the slumbering dunes, which shine faintly in the starlight. Waterlogged chests and strongboxes lie half-buried in the sand, most with only locks eaten by rust and corrosion to guard their secrets. By some trick of the tides, the treasures appear to be from places far abroad, none being alike in origin to another.
Obvious paths: northeast, southeast||

[flint kiln]

Can we dig for treasure there 🤌

[distant zinc]

*You dig in the sand around several chests and get stabbed by * a||n old salt encrusted fork|| --- that would be interesting!

[fast basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/dinglehopper-little-mermaid-scuttle-fork-bird-gif-15922714

[spice dew]

>
A great wave slams against the hull of the ship, sending a shudder through the deck as it tilts violently to one side!
[SMR result: 157 (Open d100: 83)]
The teetering of the shipwreck sends a garish revenant buccaneer flying!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Oof!  Sudden impact knocks the wind out of the revenant buccaneer.
   It is knocked to the ground!
   The revenant buccaneer is stunned!
A garish revenant buccaneer appears weak and feeble, his movements sluggish.
[SMR result: 85 (Open d100: 36, Penalty: 3)]
A bolt of lightning strikes just inches away from you!```

landlubber ain't got no sea legs

[feral cloak]

can the trash be tossed off the boat into the sea?

[strange yacht]

Update! TRASH -> JETTISON

[idle gale]

Every time I get ready to put in a trash can, someone comments on it and I stop!

🧌

[amber anvil]

I vote the "trash can" actually drops the items into a random players container in the area.

[flint kiln]

Hey, any updates on trash cans yet, thanks

[novel panther]

is the obelisk still around?

[spice dew]

should be

[sand prism]

Someone donate their F2P giantman warrior wearing only a goat trashcan pin that auto pickups all items on ground every 60 seconds.....
That cannot be against the rules can it??

[neat grove]

policy report Zhagen for cheating

[left quartz]

One of you just add into your scripts going back and hugging your basketfier table every 2 hours then everyone can use it!

[floral falcon]

Honestly, I was surprised no one was doing that already. Seems like a decent stopgap.

[left quartz]

I keep offering to lend out a basketfier!

[pearl knot]

trash can should be a cannon that eventually fires and maims someone for using it.

so it would be...

a trash cannon!

[light ruin]

I don't see a reason they can't wear pants as well

[light ruin]

This but when it fires, the projectile lands in a random island room as an SMR hazard

[thorny thistle]

trashcan should have a 5 percent chance to bite the person's hand off and spawn a trash monster.

[jaunty hamlet]

Oscar the mimic

[mystic helm]

Time to set up a merchant at SG that sells goat pins for 10m as a solution

[stuck mural]

Thalassophobia .......................... 00:00:09

does anyone know what this debuff does? it's from an oracle MDR attack

[distant zinc]

Thalassophobia is an intense and persistent fear of large bodies of water, like the ocean or deep lakes, characterized by overwhelming anxiety in their presence. It differs from aquaphobia, which is a general fear of water. While not a distinct diagnosis, its symptoms fall under the category of specific phobias in the DSM-5, and can be managed with therapies like exposure therapy and coping strategies such as breathing exercises

[stuck mural]

thank you! i looked up the meaning (it's a great word), was more wondering what the actual mechanic does--as far as i can see it's not on the wiki

[strange yacht]

Not sure, but I would guess it makes it harder for you to swim or maybe prevents it

[stuck mural]

that was my guess too but it didn't last long enough to check

[distant zinc]

I'd like to make /offer/ suggest? a trashcan solution/suggestion/idea.

Near a driftwood trestle table erected on the ship's grey-green deck, the railing has given way to permit a dangerous but thorough view of the ship's starboard hull.  Despite the great age of the vessel and its considerable disrepair, there are the bones of a sleek and predatory ship beneath the decay.  The timbers around her portholes are painted in silver gilt and emerald lacquer to form radiating streamers of kelp.  You also see the porcelain Opalina disk laced with tiny cracks, an acid-pitted steel box, an engraved fel box, a weathered tanik chest, a sturdy brass strongbox, a simple tanik strongbox, a battered iron chest, a battered iron box, an engraved iron chest, a plain brass chest, a battered iron chest, an engraved haon coffer, an engraved steel box, a sturdy maoral strongbox, an engraved wooden trunk, a battered iron trunk, an iron-bound thanot strongbox, a scratched fel box, an iron-bound maoral coffer, an engraved modwir trunk and a dead halfling pirate.
Obvious paths: south, west
>look under table
look under table
[Beneath the trestle table, the deck timbers have been cut away in a rough circle. The hole drops straight down into shadow, and the faint smell of brine drifts upward from the dark water below. Judging by its size, it looks wide enough for a krolven to slip through with ease.]

[sand prism]

Where's the cantrash? (Got to extend the shot clock)

[night thicket]

I'm genuinely curious why adding a trash can is so difficult. I assume there must be some technical reasons, same with FWI.

[sand prism]

I think you are reading into it too deep, see Auchand's last post.... it's right there (The naughty shall be punished )

[flint kiln]

Huh.

[light ruin]

Anyone else find corsairs very difficult to find? They seem to spawn a lot less frequently than anything else in the area. I have a corsair bounty and haven't seen one in ten minutes. Primordials, whelks, harpies for days though, and I'm killing them all as I go. I think I'm going to drop this bounty, this is like getting an ice troll task in WL. Unfortunate.

[flint kiln]

hmm I feel like I see them at the north end of the beach and the south end between the beach and /inside the ruins.. but, that being said not usually very many.. oh also NOT in the trees of the harpy area I suppose

[light ruin]

Yeah they're abnormally scarce today - I think they're generally not as populous as the rest of the mobs in the zone, but I've been able to complete corsair bounties before just fine. Seeing 1 total corsair in 15 minutes today I noped out of the task.

[mystic helm]

HW tables 2

[thorny thistle]

wouldn't it be cheaper to bring your ship and throw trash in there?

well... I guess I say that because I already own a ship...

[mystic helm]

As soon as the janitor collects 10,000 items, waves of trash golems invade SG

[fast basalt]

Corsairs frequent the singing crags regularly enough.

[novel panther]

;kill big

[flint kiln]

that's generally the plan yes

[flint kiln]

Time and space seem to swirl around you.  You catch brief glimpses of events both past and future.  Beyond these strange and confusing visions extends a vast, ever-changing field of stars, pinpoints of light against unfathomable utter blackness.  It is very cold here.
Also here: Witfog, Great Lord Bugstorvil, Lord Windalin, Dextr who is sleeping, Great Lord Tharfel, Master Beccard, Lord Worthwile, Snowhulbe, Eamun, Lady Opalina, Lord Faerous, Bagagwa, Yassimo``` Hi we broke it

aaand we're back, that was odd

[loud linden]

New trash can

[distant zinc]

fabulous

[idle gale]

A few things:

• There is now a trash can in the Mess Hall
• You can also throw your boxes into the ocean from the locksmith pool
• The obelisk now has a longer cooldown
• An artificer has boarded the Contempt
• You should be able to travel to FWI from the Contempt

[loud linden]

Thanks @idle gale . I loves the new zone!

[idle gale]

🙂

I also have a bag full of stuff that was at one of the tables, should its owner(s) need it.

[loud linden]

Worth the panic attack!

If it was Eamon / Windalin's table, I can grab it and pass it to him.

[flint kiln]

As you toss an engraved steel strongbox into the ocean, you feel a moment of pride at keeping the area clean followed by a deeper sense of guilt at polluting the seas.  Oh well.```

The ocean seems almost endless.  A treacherous part of you thinks you should probably just discard any garbage you'd like by tossing it overboard into the waiting waves.  There is already some refuse near the ship.  Amid the refuse you see a rotting haon box and an engraved steel strongbox.```

[loud linden]

And I notice the travel time to the Isle has substantially increased ! 😱

I think I may be stuck on the ship from Solhaven to Talon? Been about 30 minutes. I've been kidnapped!

This flight sucks, I didn't get any crackers or nothin'!

I'm saved! Thanks @craggy willow

[wraith rivet]

Would be nice to have the communal container back please.

[night thicket]

That update is fantastic. This is definitely my new hunting ground now

[mystic helm]

#TeamSeas

[novel panther]

Greatupdate! Any chance we can get 740 Planar Shift travel working in the area?

[fast basalt]

Indeed, nice updates. can we also get the Contempt to not apply spell sever for those of us who use enhancive pauses in between hunting so we don't drop spells that require SK active?

[left quartz]

Have you tried since the update? In my brain a place needs to be a town in order to access FWI and in town areas aren't subject to spell sever (like Cold River) - BUT I could also be utterly wrong in my theory 🙁

[fast basalt]

I just tried and it dropped one on me, yes.

[left quartz]

I am of greatest woe.

But! Now you can rest on FWI so....

[fast basalt]

I'd rather just run dry a spell as I've been doing instead and rest on the Contempt. If it's a big problem to change the Contempt as requested, than I'm fine to deal with it but considering that what I'm asking for exists already in the HW, it would be a nice QoL update for the hunting ground.

[left quartz]

You're not wrong, you should be able to rest in a hub without worrying about Spell Sever. At least at tables, but preferably anywhere on the Contempt.

Maybe there's a reason and it's designed that way intentionally (think about invasions of the Contempt where you have to fight for control or something, iono!)

[fast basalt]

[SMR result: 180 (Open d100: 180)]
Electricity blazes through your body, illuminating you from within in a blinding flash!
The electrical essence is drawn toward your tree moss cuff, where it is consumed with an abrupt burst of light!
You are blinded!```

```>loot
You can't see well enough to search around!```

Some of these storm affects are really cool. Definitely makes the ground feel organic and fun. I've seen the stormglow wreck enemy creatures and am ruing the inevitable day it hits me directly. Celerity wind too is fun when you get steamrolling in a swarm.

[light ruin]

I got so excited the first time my monk picked up Celerity wind, but then as expected, it instantly fell off because KS. Wamp wamp

[jaunty hamlet]

don't worry if you aren't KS you just instantly lose it or one of your other 2 outside spells anyway unless you're going spell sever hardmode

[fast basalt]

Being forced to carry an underload becuase of how I rest on the contempt precludes that for me at the moment, but I agree, the celerity buff from the area probably needs to be reclassified and removed from the sever effect.

[stuck mural]

i stop the celerity so i don't lose my other spells 😂

[light ruin]

;alias add norush=;e loop do;unless !Effects::Buffs.active?("Celerity");waitrt?;fput "stop 506";end;sleep(0.5);end```

[sand prism]

The next ascension mechanic, smart critters casting 401 and 101 to buff players and blow up their outside spells....

[fast basalt]

[SMR result: 284 (Open d100: 277)]
As the squid collides with you, it releases a spray of blinding black ink as its tentacles whip you!
Some rugged golvern plate-and-mail partially deflects the onslaught of the slashing attack.
   ... 8 points of damage!
   Glancing slash to your shield arm!
   You are stunned for 1 round!
You are blinded!``` That's twice today I've gone blind.

[spice dew]

happens to me a lot out there

[fast basalt]

Yeah, I'm just amused by it, heh. Didn't expect the ink! first time Peri's been hit by the golems throwing stuff.

[light ruin]

I have been amused every time I've gotten beaten up in SG

[spice dew]

honestly wasn't expecting our own artificer

now we just need a dock handler / boatswain

[sand prism]

I need to check all the NPCs to make sure they get Wrayth bounty dropdown dialog.
Asking Rawknuckle by hand is so annoying

[spice dew]

from the crows nest to my stall on fwi , now we're talkin

A scaly needle-toothed trenchling races in, eyes glowing fiercely!
A scaly needle-toothed trenchling races in, eyes glowing fiercely!
A scaly needle-toothed trenchling lifts his head, cocking it as if hearing something in the distance.  He abruptly flees, eyes glowing fiercely!
A scaly needle-toothed trenchling races in, eyes glowing fiercely!
A scaly needle-toothed trenchling races in, eyes glowing fiercely!
A scaly needle-toothed trenchling races in, eyes glowing fiercely!
A scaly needle-toothed trenchling reverses her weapon and swings the blunt end down at your knee!
[SMR result: 149 (Open d100: 64, Bonus: 6)]
You crash to the ground, falling to your knees!
The strike causes you to favor your wounded left leg!
Roundtime: 7 sec.```

that trenchling must've showed up at the 2nd cry for help even angrier

[jaunty hamlet]

My dog when he's already laying next to the front door and someone knocks

[solar jolt]

>
Jaw tightening, a scruff-faced half-elven warden says, "The worst of it is behind me.  The mists never set root here on Talon, and for that I am grateful.  At least I am free of Ghezresh's taint."```

You see nothing unusual.```

[fast basalt]

Huh. This must be the warden that helped save the animals from Caligos. I wonder where the sea slug is.

[solar jolt]

ya- he also mentioned Keilipso being on talon now

[jaunty hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-don't-think-i-will-cap-avengers-marvel-gif-6420739801263939210

[mystic helm]

I definitely remember blowing someone up who was proned/stunned in OTf by casting 919 on them

[light ruin]

I once cast 140 on someone in Nelemar and they immediately blew up in fantastic gory fashion

[flint kiln]

it's the old Final Fantasy reflect move -- though that makes me wonder, can you can cast like 401 and 101 on a critter to trigger a dispel flux? 😈

[flint kiln]

X picks the jewel-pipped dice up.  After giving them a good shake, he rolls them across the wood of the deck.  Both dice come to rest showing a trio of opal pips.

Y picks the jewel-pipped dice up.  After giving them a good shake, he rolls them across the wood of the deck.  Both dice come to rest showing a pair of diamond pips.``` Three rolls in a row the hard way?  1/46,000? ![sus](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/790374644343111680.webp?size=128 "sus")

[lyric folio]

36 possible combinations of 2 dice, 6 of them are hard ways (assuming you're counting 1-1 and 6-6, which is slightly different than what the rules are in craps but you counted two skulls so I assume this is what you meant). 1/6 rolls of 2 dice will end up hard ways. Odds of 3 consecutive hard ways is (1/6)^3 = 1/216.

[flint kiln]

oh yes duh

[idle gale]

Did you check the docks?

[spice dew]

was he there the whole time? 😁

[solemn edge]

Is the cooldown for the obelisk intended to be on the obelisk itself? Another character used it recently and one of mine never has, yet I can't get it to work.

[crimson gull]

Love and appreciate the updates. Anyone find a location sorcerers can portal to yet? No luck on my end.

[flint kiln]

yes if I didnt say it, thank you for the updates ❤️

[light ruin]

Agreed! Thanks Auchand. SG is home base for my two mains now. Great zone - tough and lots of variety, cool biome and vibe. Very interesting ways to get beat up also

[keen briar]

I was high the first time Jisandra got a barracuda flung at her.

It was hard to type after that from the laughing. Props.

[willow ginkgo]

Can someone with FWI access verify for me that you can indeed teleport from room 35593 "The Contempt, Main Deck" ?? and is there a better place to have set as the transport room than that one? Otherwise I'll be adding it to that room.

This is for go2 transportation btw incase that didn't make sense

[light ruin]

Confirmed 35593 works for FWI teleport, and I think it's a good room for it in mapdb. One room away from the supernode, so convenient and won't spam people resting

[willow ginkgo]

done, just awaiting Tillmen approval (also tagged the artificer and the trashcan at the locksmith pool)

just missing a herbalist (along with herb bounties!)

[light ruin]

There are herb bounties now, you do them for the quartermaster

[willow ginkgo]

same as the pawnshop?

[upbeat stream]

yea

[willow ginkgo]

Looks like mapdb is approved and ready. Enjoy your FWI travel! If someone wants to test ;go2 automatic travel there ;repo download-mapdb and give it a whirl. Hopefully I did it right

[light ruin]

Looks like it's working, thanks Tysong

[flint kiln]

what is the ballpark cooldown on the obelisk? Any way to see it?

[light ruin]

MDR SvD: +52 - Penalty: +1 + o100 roll: +142 == +193
The deafening shriek drives the sense from you as it rends your flesh!
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Massive decompression causes head to erupt in an explosion of brain and bone! Messy!```Well then, I guess that attack does not account for any kind of redux, lol. Splat

[fast basalt]

Confidently, you climb up the wall, reaching the top without much trouble.

[Singing Crags, Rocky Ascent]
Jagged rocks descend sharply toward a green path winding far below, their surfaces etched into strange patterns by wind and driving rain.  Sparse vegetation struggles between cracks, manifesting as spiky grasses sprouting from a shallow crevice or hardy shrubs along the cliff's edge.  The roots of the latter protrude defiantly from the rock face, gripping tenuously to stony hollows.  Soft breezes whisper through narrow fissures in the rock, filling the air with strange, moaning music.  You also see a grey-plumed steelwing harpy that is flying around.
Obvious paths: north, east
>
A grey-plumed steelwing harpy raises her voice in a shrill cry, the echoing shriek cutting through the air in a sonic assault!
[MDR result: 205 (Open d100: 155)]
The deafening shriek drives the sense from you as it rends your flesh!
   ... 23 points of damage!
   In a massive display of gore, your neck explodes violently!
You feel the extra courage wane.
You feel your extra strength departing.
The brilliant aura fades away from you.
A faint silvery glow fades from around you.
The layer of protection fades away.```

Yeah.. that was unexpected. Vacuum crit.

[light ruin]

A kelp-tangled coral golem's aura surges with slender white filaments of energy.
A kelp-tangled coral golem places its hands against the ground.  Rapidly growing branches of coral erupt in a straight line toward a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie!
SMR SvD: +76 + Bonus: +21 + o100 roll: +161 == +258
A jagged forest of coral sprouts up around a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, hungry tines slashing at her!
   ... 75 points of damage!
   Terrible slash to the fog-cloaked kelpie's side!
   Entrails spill out, onto the ground!
   Death can be SO messy.```It's okay this paste is of another creature getting messed up in brutal fashion

[light ruin]

The attack lands, but the drowned mariner shrugs off some of the damage!
  AS: +617 vs DS: +411 with AvD: +43 + d100 roll: +84 = +333
   ... and hits for 132 points of damage!
   Massive blow smashes through ribs and drives the drowned mariner's heart out the back.
You hear a sound like a child weeping as a white glow separates itself from the drowned mariner's body and rises into the heavens.
Seawater laden with strange blue-green luminescence spills from a milky-eyed drowned mariner's mouth and eyes, and animation departs his ravaged form.
You sense Eonak's condemnation of a milky-eyed drowned mariner wane.```Bro thinks he's on the team

[upbeat stream]

Seems like an opportunity to offer the kraken your sanctifying services

[light ruin]

You notice a grey-plumed steelwing harpy (flying).
Obvious paths: northeast, southeast
>
A low moan builds in the surrounding rocks as the wind hums through holes and crannies, the sound slowly rising into a catastrophic wail that causes the air to shimmer and contort!
MDR SvD: +75 + o100 roll: +65 == +140
Shimmering air engulfs a grey-plumed steelwing harpy in a disruptive vortex!
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Major bones in the steelwing harpy's right arm crack loudly!
   The steelwing harpy is stunned!
A grey-plumed steelwing harpy stumbles awkwardly, her movements clumsy.
MDR SvD: +30 + o100 roll: -23 == +7
Shimmering air swirls around you for a moment, but it disperses harmlessly.```Auchand are harpies supposed to affect themselves with the wail MDR?

[spice dew]

that's the environmental mdr looks like

[light ruin]

Ah so it is, thanks. Misread. In that case, lol harpy, owned by your own area

[flint kiln]

Primordials getting hit by lightning, hate to see it

[keen briar]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-yes-thats-how-it-gif-19889380

[wraith rivet]

When lightning is on your side:

[SMR result: 251 (Open d100: 90, Bonus: 100)]
Electricity blazes through a scaly needle-toothed trenchling, illuminating him from within in a blinding flash!
   ... 50 points of damage!
   Powerful blast reduces the needle-toothed trenchling to a smoldering pile of ash!
The burning rage mounts within your soul, further igniting your combat prowess!
With a last gnash of his teeth, a scaly needle-toothed trenchling crumples, the haunting bioluminescence of his eyes guttering before going out.
[SMR result: 188 (Open d100: 23, Bonus: 100)]
Electricity blazes through a scaly needle-toothed trenchling, illuminating him from within in a blinding flash!
   ... 35 points of damage!
   Explosive bolt of electricity vaporized neck.  Head drops to shoulders then on ground.  Never knew what hit 'em.
The burning rage reaches its zenith, engulfing your soul to form a conflagration of unstoppable wrath!
With a last gnash of his teeth, a scaly needle-toothed trenchling crumples, the haunting bioluminescence of his eyes guttering before going out.
[SMR result: 232 (Open d100: 55, Bonus: 109)]
Electricity blazes through a gigantic lightning whelk, illuminating it from within in a blinding flash!
   ... 45 points of damage!
A gigantic lightning whelk is blinded!
[SMR result: 234 (Open d100: 41, Bonus: 125)]
Electricity blazes through a scaly needle-toothed trenchling, illuminating him from within in a blinding flash!
   ... 45 points of damage!
   Hideously bright electrical bolt sends left leg into another universe.  Happy traveling.
   A scaly needle-toothed trenchling falls to the ground grasping his mangled left leg!
The conflagration of rage continues to burn within your soul, reinfusing you with an onslaught of unstoppable wrath!
With a last gnash of his teeth, a scaly needle-toothed trenchling crumples, the haunting bioluminescence of his eyes guttering before going out.
The tenseness in the trenchling's body relaxes.
[SMR result: 82 (Open d100: 74, Penalty: 3)]
A bolt of lightning strikes just inches away from you!```

[flint kiln]

Honestly, Duffy doesn't get hit too bad by the room lightning, using the room lightning on the beach is definitely a 4d chess move (so long as he isnt with people in double leather lol)

[wraith rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrYAh1ZmrlE

[hardy nymph]

There are really an incredible number of gems in SG. And they have fantastic designs.

[hardy nymph]

There must be like 40 different shell types

[pearl knot]

we really need a seashell that makes your head explode if you listen to it...

maybe I'm just weird

[fast basalt]

I mean, the rift has gems with funny effects. How about one that makes you dive into spicer's sea and try to heed a siren's call?

[hardy nymph]

I’ve been hunting there many days and I STILL keep finding new gems

[left quartz]

If you find indigo seaglass and want to sell it. 🙂

[solemn edge]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[frozen cipher]

Is it wrong that my first thought is "oh great, more jars"?

[spice dew]

my tikba.magic8ball says: "Yes"

[flint kiln]

;repo download tikba.magic8ball

[sand prism]

They need to change bounties to be based on the noun and not the 50 different adjectives.... I need 10 shells or 8 diamonds

[light ruin]

They could just delete gem bounties

[vague goblet]

;alias add --global magic8=;en Magic8Ball echo ["It is certain","It is decidedly so","Without a doubt","Yes, definitely","You may rely on it","As I see it, yes","Most likely","Outlook good","Yes","Signs point to yes","Don't count on it","My reply is no","My sources say no","Outlook not so good","Very doubtful","Reply hazy, try again","Ask again later","Better not tell you now","Cannot predict now","Concentrate and ask again"].sample```

[spice dew]

The evanescent shield shrouding you flares to life and thickens to create a substantial buffer around you.
[MDR result: 0 (Open d100: 62, Bonus: 13)]
You steel yourself against the horrific sight, forcing bile back down your throat.```

😱 🤮

[light ruin]

Anyone found a ||mummified shark heart|| since early days of SG being open? I found 3, but none in over a week, probably closer to two weeks. I wonder if those were included in drops by mistake and removed since I think they seem to hint at being part of ||a future area boss summoning ritual||.

[spice dew]

i'n not sure when she found it exactly, but one was mentioned not too long ago
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[light ruin]

Probably just rare like ||idols|| then

[spice dew]

but to your point, that was about a week ago as well. nothing official about them has ever been mentioned that i remember. i don't think i've found one in prime at all, now that we mention it.

[stuck mural]

we've been looking pretty consistently and haven't found any

[feral cloak]

You can access FWI now?

[spice dew]

yup, "trash cans" and invokers too, oh my!

[hexed fable]

on a plane about to fly away - can you horsey to SG?

[spice dew]

no, you can't target it with mount travel

[hexed fable]

ugh for what the mount town unlock costs, it should imo be added

ok flying away now

[spice dew]

yeah i feel ya, i wish cold river and talon isle were targetable

[cosmic palm]

does this place have access to full town services yet (or fwi access)?

[spice dew]

fwi yes, most town services yes

[cosmic palm]

how's the difficulty there for low exp alts? compared to say, moonsedge outside and hw gigas villages

[crimson gull]

Anyone find a room in SG that a sorcerer can sense in?

[spice dew]

i think the consensus is no, none of the rooms have this functionality [yet]

[cosmic palm]

how many of the rooms are water-logged? am i screwed if my primary weapon uses dispel flares?

[crimson gull]

I wasn't sure if it was an RP thing or a work in progress thing.

[spice dew]

i don't believe official word has been given

[spice dew]

a bunch of them
i wouldn't say you're screwed, i would say give it a go and see how you feel about it
and to your earlier question it's probably more difficult for low exp alts, generally speaking

[flint kiln]

it really depends.. are the alts solo? do they use ucs? can they handle groups?

[upbeat stream]

I'd also say you'll also notice it less with dispel because it's not always lightning

[crimson gull]

The DS of these critters is enormous. UCS seems to be the most effective way for squares to deal with them.

[night thicket]

Dispel really shines for me, lots of spells to cut through. It’s the blessing flares that hurt the most.

[light ruin]

Plenty of stuff can be hit with melee or ranged with a setup or two. The only “yeeeaahhhh I’m gonna have to UCS this” is primordial and kelpie

[feral cloak]

Is there a boat handler here?

[spice dew]

yeah we got us a handler/boatswain at the dock entrance/exit

[hardy nymph]

I don’t really see SG as a place you will want to park your low exp, poorly geared alts. At best, they will struggle to kill stuff and your gemstone hunting will take forever. At worst, they will get absolutely train wrecked by the trenchlings

[pearl knot]

which is now known as "trench wrecked"

[left quartz]

I need to give it more time and more chances, but struggling to find enough of a bounty mob to kill is a frustrating experience.

[light ruin]

Surprised to hear you had that experience in SG, tbh. Spawns are always healthy

[flint kiln]

I think some mobs are tougher to find, like mariners, buccaneers, and other things named after sports teams

[jaunty hamlet]

The Sailors Grief Fighting Irish

[fast basalt]

You just have to regularly trail through the entire area. If you're laying waste at everything you see than it will definitely take longer but if you're focus hunting it's a bit easier on those.

Mariner's tend to be the hardest to find IMO, next to sharks (when you need them) and kelpies.

I don't have any problem finding specific mobs on either of the other two zones.

[viral heron]

any of the critters in SG tall enough to demand a giantman would need to prone them to hit heads/eyes?

[light ruin]

  AS: +510 vs DS: +494 with AvD: +50 + d100 roll: +67 = +133
   ... and hits for 1 point of damage!
   Lame eye gouge, barely close to the head.
The pain sharpens your senses and you begin to plan around your foe's attacks.
Fetid globules linger on your flesh for a moment before seeping into your wound.
MDR SvD: +31 + o100 roll: +39 == +70
Your body violently expels the globules in a spray of bright red blood!```Well that's just gross!

[woven kestrel]

My filth has become sentient from all the swimming… sorry about that.

[spice dew]

you know i haven't noticed any death mechanics [other than the albatross]
missed opportunity for corpses to become part of a bilge mass or something

you search a bilge mass surprisingly, it carried a dead Trallihn with it!

[upbeat stream]

Stop trying to lurk up SG

[spice dew]

you’re right, you’re right. my bad. symbolization had me too excited. 😁

[plain bison]

what dis?

a mummified shark heart

[jaunty hamlet]

AFAIk no one has figured it out. The messaging and how it appears is real similar to finding the wyrm summoning item in HW so i think that was the prevailing guess it's for some future boss mob.

[spice dew]

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as much info as we got for now, i think

[plain bison]

Interesting

[wraith rivet]

Sailor's Grief be popping at the moment:

You notice a garish revenant buccaneer, a blubbery humpbacked merrow, a brackish bilge mass, a brackish bilge mass, a brackish bilge mass, a garish revenant buccaneer, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a tenebrific wraith shark, a milky-eyed drowned mariner and a milky-eyed drowned mariner.
Obvious paths: northeast, southeast```

[flint kiln]

those ships always be poppin

[light ruin]

Saw a large MA group in there a couple times today, could be them

[wraith rivet]

It definitely was exciting until I got tentacle “sucker” punched. Then I had to nope out

[idle gale]

Mm. No.

[jaunty hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/curses-foiled-again-he-man-meh-skeleto-gif-16546096

[fast basalt]

I have ideas. I just haven't found a heart yet.

[modest slate]

is there a recharge time on the obelisk

[idle gale]

Yes.

[modest slate]

auchand is that timer tied to one character or anyone who wants to use it in general? i'm asking bc i was trying to use the obelisk earlier to get a few of my characters back to the mainland but only one could use it. i remember before you put the OSA dockhands, I was able to bring my guys back all at once using the obelisk

[strange yacht]

The power of the obelisk was used to make a trash can and enable teleport to FWI

It hath suffered for us…! Alas! Woe!

[night thicket]

A worthwhile and necessary sacrifice

[idle gale]

The obelisk is just a little Easter egg.

[light ruin]

I tried to eat the ||heart|| when I first found one because Kaetel said to and I’m very suggestible. Didn’t work 😡 I wonder if it’s tied to being able to ||sit on the seat and not get nuked|| 🤔

[strange yacht]

Toss shark heart, branch of lightning wood, and an ocean storm gemstone onto the seat to summon the Lord of Storms!
He looks a bit like an angry fish with a beard.
||This may or may not be true. But try it anyway!||

[fast basalt]

Sparks of forest green light coalesce beneath your feet, merging into a trail of cloven hoof-shaped prints that follow you as you stride east.
[Sailor's Grief, Islet]
Smooth, wave-polished stones litter the ground in a broad crescent near the waterline of the rocky islet, serving as bedding for a herd of monk seals.  The pinnipeds laze indolently on the hard ground, basking in the ocean spray and largely ignoring the pounding surf.  Despite the span's desolate appearance, scattered tufts of stubborn grass sprout from cracks in the stone, and algae clings tenaciously to the rock faces.  You also see a blubbery humpbacked merrow.
Obvious paths: southeast, west
>
A nimbus of psychic energy blossoms around a blubbery humpbacked merrow and sharp-tipped threads of power streak from around him to lash at you!
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by a faint lucky feeling.
[MDR result: 234 (Open d100: 176)]
Pain explodes down your spine as the psychic assault rips through your defenses before erupting from within you!
A dark fyrswn'ava battle shield carved with an intricate doe trippant partially deflects the onslaught of the disruption attack.
   ... 23 points of damage!
   Skull and surrounding flesh disintegrate.  You fall to the ground dead.
You feel the inner strength leave you.
The brilliant aura fades away from you.
The layer of protection fades away.
A faint silvery glow fades from around you.
You feel the extra courage wane.
The rush of collective knowledge of the undead fades from your mind.

It seems you have died, my friend.  Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 14 mins...```Nasty. That shield has 40% resistance on that too.

[light ruin]

You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by a faint lucky feeling.Good thing you had the bard item, that could have been bad!

[flint kiln]

nice damage padding though

[mystic helm]

It was originally gonna be a 273

[fast basalt]

Just not my day for RNG

[modest slate]

has anyone else been having issues retrieving their boats from the talon isle dock?

[wraith rivet]

Fortuitous spell severing of stun during @light ruin raise:

Chanting slowly, the sound reminiscent of cogs moving through a large machine, Nidal gazes down at you and you sense an understanding of life behind his eyes.  A brief touch upon your forehead fills you with the spark of life and purpose once again fills you.
[You have been awarded 125 Long Term Experience!]
You feel the touch of the hand leave your soul.
A light blue glow surrounds you.
You suddenly feel more powerful.
A silvery luminescence surrounds you.
A bright luminescence surrounds you.
SPJ>
Suddenly, the connection between you and the foreign magic upon you becomes severed!
You recover enough strength to move again.
PJ>
A boom of thunder blasts through the grey skies.
PJ>stand
You stand back up.
>cheer
You let out a cheer!```

[light ruin]

That's really funny, mystery solved about why you were instantly unstunned

[plain bison]

words cannot describe how excited I am for the MA zombie crowd to arrive in SG.

You also see a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a garish revenant buccaneer, a garish revenant buccaneer, a garish revenant buccaneer, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a tenebrific wraith shark, a blubbery humpbacked merrow that appears stunned

You also see a garish revenant buccaneer, a brackish bilge mass, a garish revenant buccaneer, a garish revenant buccaneer, a brackish bilge mass, a milky-eyed drowned mariner and a milky-eyed drowned mariner.

You also see a brackish bilge mass, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a garish revenant buccaneer, a blubbery humpbacked merrow, a brackish bilge mass, a garish revenant buccaneer and a milky-eyed drowned mariner.

You also see a brackish bilge mass, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a brackish bilge mass, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a blubbery humpbacked merrow, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie and a milky-eyed drowned mariner.```

[lyric folio]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not.

[plain bison]

annnnd my partner died. the area is just completely unhuntable for anyone else. 🎉

[lyric folio]

It's one of, if not the, hardest hunting area in the game. Sounds like the "grief" part is working as intended. How much experience do you and your partner have?

[plain bison]

I solo that area just fine when it's me, and maybe one or two other players wandering around there.

[lyric folio]

Sounds like either your partner isn't pulling his/her weight, or you two aren't complimenting each other too well! Or are you saying that there are loads of people there, which is increasing the spawn rate?

[plain bison]

when every single room looks like this because there's an MA group of....hang on, let me count....SEVENTEEN CHARACTERS camping one room and making the entire rest of the area a madhouse?

it's not okay.

[rocky sandal]

Looks perfect for 1117/1115

[lyric folio]

Ah, I see, you're complaining that a big MA group is making the area unhuntable for you and your partner. That was tough for me to suss out from your original post.

[plain bison]

I thought my message literally dripping with sarcasm would've been a big hint.

[rocky sandal]

Sarcasm does poorly in text. There's no sarcasm font, which is one of the great misses of the entire computer era.

[lyric folio]

Dripping sarcasm isn't always obvious in text. Also it doesn't really seem like you have a reason to believe the MA group is full of "zombies," whatever that means.

If it makes you feel any better, it would be the same scenario if they were groups of 2 or 3 all hunting at the same time.

But the fact that big groups make it hard for small groups to hunt in the area is something people have discussed lots - I'm sympathetic! I think it usually comes up in the context of the Scatter, though perhaps that's just the most recent issue.

Fortunately, SG at least has separate spawn areas that you might retreat to.

[plain bison]

I would honestly feel a lot better if it was multiple groups of two or three actually separate people here and there vs one person running 17 characters off of scripts.

would the area still be unhuntable? probably.

would it be an easier pill to swallow seeing lots of actual people having fun vs one person making things difficult and miserable for everyone else? definitely.

[thorny thistle]

whoah 17 characters in that MA Group?

[light ruin]

The 17 person MA team does basically shut the zone down for anyone who isn’t in a similarly sized group. That isn’t SG specific. My mains have 60 and 50ish million exp each and would get chalked up in that scenario. But “MA isn’t a problem” is what we are told when this happens lol.

[thorny thistle]

I remember dealing with that in the scatter and my client would just error out and drop my connection. I have no idea how they can do that with 17 accounts and not have that issue as well. That seems like disruption to me though and shouldn't be allowed.

[sand prism]

Wish they didn't make meteor swarm 100% player-friendly..... good ole "MA buster" spell

[light ruin]

I mean an evoked 335 would get it done too but I’m not about that PvP life. Sailor’s Beef

[sand prism]

Thats why meteor was the anonymous weapon of choice. Who would know. 🧌

Aslo it would probably charge our ranger anklet in like 2 casts

[spice dew]

the shipyard gets pretty wild with even a few people on it, especially because of the tentacles. i haven’t experienced something quite like that in the seat or on talon isle yet, they seem more resistant to that. it’s kinda like the great chamber in that way, but more claustrophobic.

[jaunty hamlet]

those weren't even really bad examples.

You notice a blubbery humpbacked merrow, a blubbery humpbacked merrow (prone), a blubbery humpbacked merrow, a brackish bilge mass, a brackish bilge mass, a brackish bilge mass, a brackish bilge mass, a tenebrific wraith shark, a blubbery humpbacked merrow (stunned), a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a garish revenant buccaneer, a blubbery humpbacked merrow (stunned), a tenebrific wraith shark, a garish revenant buccaneer, a tenebrific wraith shark, a tenebrific wraith shark, a milky-eyed drowned mariner, a blubbery humpbacked merrow (prone) and a tenebrific wraith shark.

[rocky sandal]

I constantly misread blubbery as blueberry. It is very confusing.

[jaunty hamlet]

blueberry merlots
terrific wraith sharks

[stuck mural]

terrific wraith shark...every time. tenebrific is a great word though.

[jaunty hamlet]

pallid frog-croaked kelpies

[fast basalt]

The easiest fix would be to cap the spawn rate.

If it's 5-7 mob gens zone wide per person, make a declining rate of increase capping at like 10 players in zone, so 2nd guy gens 4-6, 3rd guy gens 3-5, 4th guy gens 2-4 etc. up to ten people total. Or even reduce that.

[hardy nymph]

I always read it as “terrifying” wraith shark

[narrow walrus]

🪦 RIP 100% headshot, 100% fatal Meteor Swarm - 12/30/2020 - 12/30/2020.

||Favorite bug ever, maybe||

[plain bison]

I feel like this would have the unintended consequence of making it less beneficial to run huge MA groups and I am HERE FOR IT.

[mystic helm]

too soon

[steel sonnet]

messing around with AI music made a song for Sailor's Grief https://youtu.be/xwXa-p_LZxY

[plain bison]

this is cool but tbh my go-to for Sailor's Grief is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5lDxZTpCQ4

[spice dew]

been listening to a lot of sephiroth's theme in sg

[solar jolt]

oh cool I didn't know tentacles have loot now

[flint kiln]

yep that was one of the early updates.. they do despawn fast though so it's not guaranteed

[solar jolt]

I was thinking that they didn't despawn-respawn but just moved around, so if I chipped away at one, and it moved, it would be at a lower HP than it would be if it were a fresh spawn.

[flint kiln]

ahhh honestly theres so many and theyre so speedy I think youd need that script that labels them uniquely to really tell

[solar jolt]

I'll have to look to see if they display damage like a regular creature, e.g. minor cuts and bruises

[light ruin]

MDR SvD: +36 + Bonus: +6 + o100 roll: +157 == +199
Pain explodes down your spine as the psychic assault rips through your defenses before erupting from within you!
   ... 52 points of damage!
   Both your kidneys rupture.  Death is quick and painful.```Yikes

[jaunty hamlet]

I imagine the internal monologue was like “ahhhh my left kidney. Thankfully I have a spare! Oh god nooooooo”

[light ruin]

An amaranthine kraken tentacle whips toward a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie and wraps around him with bone-crushing force!
   ... 55 points of damage!
   Internal organs crushed!
   It is knocked to the ground!
The tentacle lifts a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie high in the air and hurls him west!```Most excellent

[shut compass]

[You have just beaten your personal best lock of -1595!]```
Thanks, Sailor's Grief! 🎉

(Level 120 merrow oracle. Before now, -1595 was the max possible from regular creatures and I *thought* -1600 was the max from the sybil because I'd never seen it go higher. If it's level-based, though, maybe it could have gone to -1605 all along and just never did because it's not like sybil boxes are generated regularly.)

[thorny thistle]

I think the highest known lock is -1635 (in Prime) from an invasion creature. I managed to get a -1625 from an invasion creature but haven’t seen anything that high in a long time.

[flint kiln]

1605? How much lockpicking do I need for that?

[light ruin]

[Help] GameMaster Auchand: "Sailor's Grief properties... when!?"👀

[shut compass]

I got the job done with 462 Picking Locks bonus, 45 Dexterity bonus, and a lot of tries. Definitely doable in less, but my most recently created vaalin lockpick was below average, so, ya know.

[night thicket]

The real question is what was in the box

John Doe has the upper hand

[thorny thistle]

that's surprising it took you a lot of tries. I feel like having a master quality lockpick really makes a difference.

[shut compass]

Heh, I also could have done it much more easily if I didn't forget which enhancive was my 17 Picking Locks one. 🤣 (I put on the 12 Trading one instead.)

[twin pine]

Since when can we search tentacles for treasure? You search the kraken tentacle. It didn't carry any silver. It had a golden triton shell on it! It had nothing else of value. It left a n'ayanad crystal behind. An amaranthine kraken tentacle twitches sluggishly and jerks back into the surrounding waters. [You have been awarded 10 Long Term Experience!] Did I miss this?

[spice dew]

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[twin pine]

Thanks Keruta!

[long pelican]

How bad is the Lightening Reactive thingy. Heard use wood weapons.
Thoughts, ideas, dreams, depressions over it?

[long pelican]

Asking in mechanics too

[crude brook]

Most folks seem to be powering through it

Especially if you have a survivalist kit. I think opinions may vary and possibly change when there are more cases of it rolling high on nerves.

[upbeat stream]

It's annoying but not something I see going away so you just deal with it if you want to hunt there

[long pelican]

I'll roll as normal...and see how it goes

[spice dew]

it’s honestly the thing i think least about, and i’m quite reactive. i have a bunch of dispel and 50% on my bless flares. still only responsible for a small fraction of my deaths overall. though it does feel worse when you gank yourself 😁

[spice dew]

i think people were recommending wood for primo’s, since it will prevent their specific lightning thingy

[twin pine]

Ranger resistance trinkets.

[hardy nymph]

Use case for a ruby weapon??

[neat grove]

nostalgia

[hardy nymph]

Maybe it wouldn’t conduct electricity? I mean, it probably shouldn’t

[amber anvil]

The Wall of Force flares of course.

[willow ginkgo]

how is everyone moving around the area these days? Mostly via multisetting gold rings and/or familiars? Or are people actually swimming between the 4 areas?

[twin pine]

I've been swimming. It's my least favorite part of this place.

[amber anvil]

We need row boats or rafts, so people can RP being a ferryperson

[wraith rivet]

I'm using a couple of gold rings that are set for the different areas (3) and just using symbol of return to get back to the Contempt

[left quartz]

How hilarious would it be if OSA made a smaller boat for like rivers and navigating places like the islands and came out with a whole new was of OSAing... but also, you could ferry people to the different parts of SG

[amber anvil]

Like ascension OSA! Hunt the Issenflow!

[left quartz]

You can't fish it, but you sure can sail it!

[idle gale]

There will probably be some relief soon.

[twin pine]

Awesome. Because it is also, even with that, my favorite ascension zone.

[idle gale]

Wait until I finish _________________

That was supposed to come out as a long blank.

Oh well.

[left quartz]

That's what he said?

[spice dew]

booooo
shark the waters

[upbeat stream]

We have very different definitions of relief

[twin pine]

I have noticed that it does not appear possible to lodge an arrow in a tentacle. They appear to consistently break into tiny fragments.

[hardy nymph]

Octopus can be very tough if not prepared correctly

[twin pine]

Mount Hunting travel options?

[sand prism]

I can't even remember what my 1-time-use sloop name was..... bought it, upgraded it, sailed it, left it, went back to HW.... all in one day

Would be nice if our magic mounts could get to SG

[twin pine]

Mount hunting travel on SG would make mount hunting travel valuable.

[idle gale]

Like it isn't already.

[rocky sandal]

Incredibly debatable.

[neat grove]

I regret buying it, it's not really useful at all.

[spice dew]

The Firebird rises into the skies, hovering there for a pregnant moment as the whine of its engines becomes almost deafening. Without warning, it streaks off into the distance!

oh god, is no place safe

[hexed fable]

this is exactly how i feel when i'm hiking in the middle of nowhere in the mountains and a passenger plane flies over

[twin pine]

I would love to see a town cleric at this location: [The Contempt, Fo'c'sle - 35599] (u7150603)

[twin pine]

Auchand, I feel like spawn rates on the Mageborn might be adjusted a bit. Tone down tentacles, and tone up mobs?

Maybe I'm the only one here this morning, but it's so slow, except tentacles (which I generally treat as environmental effects and not mobs).

[idle gale]

Tentacles across the board could become more rare.

[sand prism]

How about tenctacles are rarer, harder, and give a 30-60 second boost after slain?

[spice dew]

in/around the seat i think their numbers are probably tuned correctly and they’re more easily avoidable, the shipyard is where they get two to a room in a cramped space and it gets a little wacky

double bear hugs into hurl keruta is a common experience on the mageborne

[twin pine]

I actually really like this type of idea. They’re already decently hard. But I’d love to see a mechanic where when multiple people are hunting an area, if there’s a tentacle everyone jumps in to help take it down together.

[flint kiln]

I concur with this 500%

[fast basalt]

We haven't seen the boss creature in SG yet, which is likely the kraken itself.

[twin pine]

It would be neat if the tentacles increased spawn rate from 0% to higher, heralding the emergence of the kraken itself.

[keen briar]

@deft terrace

[deft terrace]

Thank you

[twin pine]

I wonder if you might be willing to clarify this bounty language: You have been tasked to hunt down and kill a particularly dangerous algae-draped merrow oracle that has established a territory in Sailor's Grief near Talon Isle. Given there is an <area> called Sailor's Grief, specifically, this threw me for a loop. But also, I am dense, and maybe it doesn't trip anyone else up.

[spice dew]

should call that area the Seat of Storms, and the shipyard Sailor’s Grief, my .2 cent

might be too late and/or hard to change at this point though. but it threw me for a loop the first time as well

[idle gale]

Humorously and not entirely related...

I started listening to the audiobook of Raymond Feist's Magician and within 3 minutes, heard "Sailor's Grief" referenced.

[young galleon]

Classic.
Although audiobook didn't exist when I read it in... that decade. (pretty sure)

[light ruin]

Been hunting SG since it opened and I don't think I've ever gotten a skin task for whelks, only trenchling teeth and harpy feathers. Anyone ever gotten sent for whelk shell fragments?

[upbeat stream]

I've definitely gotten a whelk skinning task

[upbeat stream]

The pungent stench of decay fills the air as mist rises from the ground around a fulminating stormborn primordial!
Skeletal appendages burst from the ground and tear into the stormborn primordial, inflicting 12 points of damage!
The psychic energy surrounding a fulminating stormborn primordial intensifies the attack!
   ... 25 points of damage!

 ** A coil of spectral bluish-green energy bursts out of thin air and strikes the stormborn primordial! **
The psychic energy surrounding a fulminating stormborn primordial intensifies the attack!
   ... 25 points of damage!
Electricity discharges down the length of the rusalkoren runestaff!
Your green-lacquered vambrace pulses briefly, deflecting some of the electrical damage!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Visible wisps of electricity shoot up right arm.  Youch!
   You are stunned for 2 rounds!
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.```
So this feels like a bug, it's a 309 cast at a primordial which hex had put thought lash on.  My runestaff has no electrical flares (acuity+valence which is disintegration which you see flaring).  So I'm not sure if it's just pulling the word energy and invoking the primordial backlash or if that's intended but thought lash is a mental spell not a physical electricity or if its because the valence phrase is an energy burst or if there's some other reason I'm missing.

this is directly from the staff analyze:```Additionally, the weapon will have a standard chance to flare with disintegration damage on successful attacks.  Each unlocked tier allows a chance for another successive flare to occur if the previous one was successful, with diminishing chances per flare.```
Looks like it's definitely the interaction with valence:
```Your skin is suffused with a subtle gold glow as you pray to your patron for assistance with Bane.
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a fulminating stormborn primordial.
Your rusalkoren runestaff glows intensely with a verdant light!
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a fulminating stormborn primordial.
  CS: +623 - TD: +494 + CvA: +25 + d100: +38 + Bonus: +8 == +200
  Warding failed!
The violet haze violently swirls around the primordial, scorching the skin of a fulminating stormborn primordial.
The stormborn primordial is hit for 45 points of damage!
   ... 30 points of damage!

 ** A coil of spectral bluish-green energy bursts out of thin air and strikes the stormborn primordial! **
   ... 20 points of damage!
Electricity discharges down the length of the rusalkoren runestaff!
Your green-lacquered vambrace pulses briefly, deflecting some of the electrical damage!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Electric shot shoots pain along your back and legs.
   You are stunned for 2 rounds!
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.```

[spice dew]

i believe that’s the primo’s innate electrical transfer thingy that reacts to "metal" weapons. it’s why some people used wooden weapons on them

[upbeat stream]

I mean sure I guess but I'm also not like whacking it with my runestaff

[light ruin]

That was my guess too. Seems like that reactive should only apply for melee.

[spice dew]

i think of it like we're fighting a living lightning storm with long metal rods in our hands 😁

[viral heron]

does ranged get hit by the reactive lightning? thats garbo if so

[light ruin]

Seems unfortunate for one hunting area to penalize both metal AND lightning flares, lol. It logically checks out, just from a gameplay perspective is a bit less fun. Glad my runestaff's wood and I have no plans on changing that

[upbeat stream]

I'll have to test it more since the transmute just got done but I only saw it happen on attacks where I also got the flare. It's possible I missed one though
I was wrong it missed a couple where it had no flare, so I guess you and Keruta are right it's a metal thing. I'm guessing this will fall into it is what it is but its going to make me debate just ignoring them unless its for a bounty

[left quartz]

You were too stronk, had to be taken down a peg.

[frozen cipher]

What about glaes? Does it get the lightning flare? It's not metal...

[light ruin]

I've tried to be a good sport about it but the swimming is such an un-fun timesink if you spend an extended period of time in the zone, I think I'm going to mix things up and go back to the Hive for a while

[stuck mural]

i agree that the swimming is a chore at 5 sec rt per room. i continue to be hopeful that 740 will be fixed. i also think the climbing is a bit difficult. i fail repeatedly unencumbered and with empty hands at 101 ranks (the max i am able to train in)

i do love the actual hunting though!

[light ruin]

I love the hunting. I love the zones. The swimming is just a bit much.

[left quartz]

Maybe invest in some anti-nav gold rings? Like not a brush off... but my 5-setting ring makes hunting there so much easier (both swimming and climbing). I Just don't like bounties there. 🙁

[light ruin]

Rings being functional makes that really annoying because it becomes one more inventory management thing to deal with. But you're right, that is a solution. I just don't want to bother with it.

[frozen cipher]

I feel like swimming and climbing training should matter, including 2x training, but I also feel like those are ancillary skills that everyone should be able to 2x train. Excess swimming training should get the RT down.

[stuck mural]

i know it's an rp choice that likely makes things more difficult for me, but my girl has invested enough in demonology training that she's not going to pay the chronomages. (and frankly my profession's capstone spell--740--should work here)

[stuck mural]

and yeah, i wouldn't mind if i had to 2x it! if i could 2x it 😂

[viral heron]

535 should impact the swim time, and yes more swimming/climbing training should matter

also...water walking should do SOMETHING

[left quartz]

It does! It disappoints you.

[light ruin]

I get water walking not helping, it's the sea not a nice smooth river or lake

[viral heron]

it could at least reduce the RT

[left quartz]

I get that it doesn't, especially if the swim mechanic was meant to deter certain types of group hunting.

[rocky sandal]

It’s magic though. It should do magicy things.

[amber anvil]

Yeah those n-setting rings should totally work while held!

[twin pine]

I don’t care for the whole mechanic of swimming — everything from the having to sense and then swim the opposite direction, to the rt, to its non compatibility with go2 (not a simu issue, I know).

[amber anvil]

Go2 should be updated to work for it. It's set up to need 100 swimming ranks though.

[twin pine]

I’ll run it tonight. That will at least solve some of my issues. Thanks Nisugi.

[sand prism]

Ppl still going strong on SG? Is it crowded?

[twin pine]

Is anyone interested/able in doing an updated SG map(s)? Maybe a fancy dark map too (since Dendum is gone 😥 and Machtig is breaking)? I’m not talented or proficient or would.

[spice dew]

Also here: Takoa, Lord Faerous who is lying down
three's a crowd right? then it's horribly crowded, stay away 😁

[light ruin]

There were like 6 total characters that hunt SG and I played two of them and left today

[sand prism]

I hear Dreaven's buying bulk capped, GET READY

[spice dew]

na, SG is really for solo's or small groups of people not controlled by the same person

[light ruin]

I love hunting SG, I hate swimming, I hope we get a gigas fragment type teleport between zones with in-area currency or something

[spice dew]

obviously i don't know what the plan is, but he did state something would change about the swim [presumably not sharking the water]

[light ruin]

Honestly it would help if the community pitched in and built/bought the Contempt an anchor. Having to SENSE for 5 seconds every move because the Contempt moves is the brutal part of the swimming

[sand prism]

How a swimming mini game where you have to very quickly press directions to avoid objects, sharks, and waves based on ingame prompts..... Like REIM traps but very fast paced one after another

[spice dew]

i kinda wish we had a "fail" point for 130 on talon as well. so i can spam 130 to maybe get the docks or something

[light ruin]

Do not want, I like 130 being reliable for once

[jaunty hamlet]

and having no vested interest i vote for it to be at the starting point that's like 3 moves away from talon island

[spice dew]

fair 😁

[spice dew]

it does have an anchor

kick cap
You abruptly kick at a black iron capstan!

hey you know, works on my boat. was worth the try 😁

[upbeat stream]

I went back to SG the other night and I'm still there, I enjoy the creatures (for the most part) but the large mix def makes bounties slower

[jaunty hamlet]

I just assumed that was Stan, the backup captain

[fast basalt]

740 should work simply because it works everywhere else IMO.

I don't have a problem with the climbing but I also have 202 ranks in it now. The one thing I wish climbing with that many ranks did was allow me to mantle more pathways with items in my hands instead of having to put them away on certain climbs and not on others.

The swimming doesn't bother me at all, but I also don't view hunting as a race or in a need of max efficiency all the time. I don't sense every room as I swim and when you have a general reference for where you are, it's easy to know where all three areas are in relation to the Contempt.

Could be made more interesting if there were sea-creatures you could fight as well in Spicer's itself, like the ones that wander the desert in the Sanctum.

I'd like the spell sever affect to be removed from the Contempt, and for the celerity boon to not be counted towards my SK count so that it doesn't knock off one of the spells I have up when it hits me.

[round needle]

I got thinking about this. But reset some things and didn't have data. I don't think I've ever seen a Whelk bounty.

This is from the last 24 hours, didn't get one at all.

[light ruin]

Yeah I will look at logs later when I have time but I can't readily recall ever being assigned a whelk task. They may be off the grid like broodtenders were for the Hive for a long time. Weird.

[stuck mural]

I’ve gotten them.

[upbeat stream]

The merchant says, "Ah, so you're from the Adventurer's Guild? Yes, I do have a task for you. I've recently received an order for 8 iridescent whelk shell fragments. I'll need them all to be of at least exceptional quality. I'd like you to go out and collect enough of these to fill my order. You can SKIN them off the corpse of a gigantic lightning whelk or purchase them from another adventurer. You can SELL the skins to me as you collect them."
Although that is from an old log from around the release I haven't gotten any on this recent trip back

[stuck mural]

yeah, i'm showing i've gotten them on 9/15, 9/17, 10/1

[round needle]

Yep, I wonder if they pulled them for some reason. I didn't get move to SG til they opened up FWI access

[idle gale]

Not that I know of.

[upbeat stream]

Not that it needs more of a sales pitch but Lathonian is a great way to get rid of bothersome tentacles

[twin pine]

I'm going to cross post this in #gemstones, but is there any chance that the Temple Nelemar regionals could also apply to Sailor's Grief, please?

[young galleon]

Great idea, poor timing for me as I dusted multiple Nelemar regionals yesterday.

[plain bison]

(You can use SENSE to detect other landmarks in the region.)
R>swim sailor
After navigating through the wreckage, you find a ship low in the water and climb aboard, flopping onto the deck.
[The Mageborn, Broken Bow]
The Mageborn's bow rises in splintered ruin, its fractured timbers jutting sharply above the grasping surf.  Rusted metal bindings cling stubbornly to weathered wood, leaving trails the color of dried blood down the faded and flaking blue paint.  Relentless waves crash against the hull, spraying seafoam onto the salt-crusted features of a battered figurehead in the form of a woman with a proud countenance and ringleted hair.  The hull below is shattered, allowing the ocean into the ship's forward hold.  You also see a brackish bilge mass, a garish revenant buccaneer, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, an amaranthine kraken tentacle, a brackish bilge mass, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a pallid fog-cloaked kelpie, a blubbery humpbacked merrow, a brackish bilge mass, a milky-eyed drowned mariner and a blubbery humpbacked merrow.```

........seriously?!

[neat grove]

You can do it! Have faith!

[plain bison]

again with the MA groups making it literally unhuntable for anyone else.

[neat grove]

It's an ascension area, which has been stated to be designed as group hunting. Phone a friend!

[plain bison]

don't act like it's a normal condition or like other people's massive MA groups don't ruin the game experience for others.

[neat grove]

I think that depends on how many characters form the group. But expecting to solo hunt the hardest area in the game... it should be difficult.

[plain bison]

difficult is fine. literally impossible because there's 8+ creatures in every room?

[neat grove]

I personally would like 8

[amber anvil]

Sounds like a great time solo!

[light ruin]

Comes down to how good your class’s AOE options are and how quickly you can get one off. My cleric (335) would have a lot better time than my monk (bullrush) in that kind of situation. I generally don’t think it’s excellent that one player running 18 (not exaggerating) characters gets to turn a zone into their own private hunting ground, but I don’t know what the solution would be nor do I think there’s really appetite to even try to find one. Basically just means you go hunt somewhere else when it happens.

[upbeat stream]

Yea seems like it would be pretty fun but it does come down to profession choice and how maxed out some skills are

[amber anvil]

When we're talking the highest level ascension zone in the game...

[light ruin]

The 18 person group is going to make just about any area unhuntable for a big swath of characters and it’s come up in plenty other areas. That issue isn’t SG specific

[upbeat stream]

A spectral kraken tentacle erupts from nearby without warning, its suckers pulsating!Do spectral tentacles imply multiple kraken or just like 1 dead spectral appendage on just one kraken

[jaunty hamlet]

exiting the swim in the mandatory fun pause (RT) to find your destination is actually a war zone does exacerbate it though

at least in HW when it happens on a character that can't handle that smoke i can immediately ;go2 town and reassess my life choices. SG is let RNGsus take the wheel

[upbeat stream]

Unless your in the greatchamber and getting pulled down by grasp of the grave

[amber anvil]

My sorcerer has gotten clobbered plenty of times coming out of the issenflow!
Great chamber is great too. It's like getting a massage while slaying.

[jaunty hamlet]

Peer harder 😄

[upbeat stream]

Peer never. I like to live dangerously

[left quartz]

Why peer when hidden

[jaunty hamlet]

There should be a flag that at a certain number of hostile creatures in the next room if it's a normal cardinal movement the game gives you a confirmation just like "hey bud you uh... you seein this?" then you do a PEER and it looks like the end of Blazing Saddles

[upbeat stream]

Peer Sailor
You see a wild beach party. Do you want to join?

[spice dew]

i’ve come to expect resistance on the landings. i usually pop all my stuff while still on the sea, then swim ashore for that reason.

[upbeat stream]

I feel like casting WoF in the ocean should cause a mini tidal wave on the beach

[left quartz]

We're gonna need you to come back to HW for a while, I feel like you're starting to go native, sir.

[loud linden]

FYI . The obelisk seems to be broken! QQ

[solemn edge]

Appears as though the change to the cool down period is for the obelisk itself and not each individual character as intended. It has been broken for a few weeks now.

[fast basalt]

Pretty sure the Obelisk is working as intended. Once the dock handler made it their Auchand changed it to work far less frequently and on a global use timer. He's stated before that it's meant to be an easter egg and not as a reliable way to return back to the mainland. I've used it a couple times over last week during EG, though nobody was really in and out of SG at that time so that's probably why.

[amber anvil]

I didn't know easter eggs were suppose to screw you!

[mystic helm]

I'm not sure if they're there, but can we add essence of waters and inky necrotic cores to SG drops? In the most self-serving request ever

[spice dew]

not sure about those two, but we do got the honey beryls 😁

[mystic helm]

So do I now!

[spice dew]

having an asc ground with honey beryls and tempest shells has been nice. so i 100% agree, we need more of that

everything i get on test and the alchemical drops are going insane i get sage

[mystic helm]

I feel like the radiants and crystals are part of general treasure system, but the essences, and cores are restricted and explicit, so easy to overlook. At least from the outside that's the way it seems. Or maybe inky black from vampires in ME

[spice dew]

alchemical drops need a looking at, imo

[mystic helm]

*alchemy in general. But it's so not a priority

[spice dew]

the drops being slightly more numerous would go a long way, i think. and to bring it full circle, the ascension grounds are a perfect spot for this 😁

[mystic helm]

A bound alchemy bag you created at max alchemy that's bound that consolidates all ayanad crystals into a numerated charge count and you can specify the type of crystal out of the charges you want

But now we're off topic

The QUEST system can make something like this more approachable

[idle gale]

It is on my list.

[mystic helm]

Let me know if you want to crowd source ideas

[amber anvil]

Go go hour four hour long elixirs!

[spice dew]

perhaps we just need to be able to "harvest" the ingredients 😅

[flint kiln]

are you saying this is off topic

[flint kiln]

this is like owlbear-from-the-top-rope out of the box thinking and I am here for it ... but obvious casting quake with water lore should cause tidal waves

[idle gale]

Please see #mechanics.

[loud linden]

Thanks Perigourd you are right! I was able to use the obelisk just nwos. Seems to be on a global cooldown with countdown unknown.

[sand prism]

So for 5/10 transdenstiny you count as 3 players for the purposes of spawn rate and 10/10 transdestiny you count as 5 players? 🙏

[spice dew]

na we're going to need a new elite asc skill for that 😁

[hidden rover]

Did the trenchlings get an upgrade recently? Particularly this ability. A swirling burst of essence lashes out from a spectral needle-toothed trenchling, consuming nearby magical energy!

[jaunty hamlet]

That is someone’s boss mob trenching spawned from the EG ring they left behind and it had the dispel magic trait.

[hidden rover]

it's kinda crazy how often it was going off

[jaunty hamlet]

Yeahhhhhhh. The dispel trait like. Shouldn’t exist really imo. It’s just basically a death sentence from things that attack fast/ mstrike for any non ks character and trenchings are super fast. I remember someone spawned a destroyer in the scatter with dispel and all the defensive/regen traits also and it was just wrecking everyone

[flint kiln]

spectral wyrm

[shut compass]

This is one of the best ideas I've ever seen.

[solar jolt]

I love SG. Just saying.

[light ruin]

I love SG I hate mandatory fun RT of swimming

[upbeat stream]

I hate the climb check at the seat even with 1x climbing and empty hands and no encumbrance I failed way more than I should

[light ruin]

Yeah I don’t take oracle bounties because of it

[fast basalt]

Oracles gen quite a bit below the disc climb as well.

[hardy nymph]

The climb is a bit annoying, but the area is cool enough thematically that I just go for it

[upbeat stream]

You enjoying climbing down the girthy column to the large base?

[jaunty hamlet]

I didn't quite realize how far seat was until i basically plotted it out and it's like potentially 17 (!) swims away from the furthest point i'm aware of for the contempt to anchor

[hardy nymph]

Swimming is really a non-issue if you just hold on to the gold rings from critter loot. I’d imagine for multiple characters it could be tricky, but IMO it’s trivial to use rings on a solo character. You’ll find more than you lose

[twin pine]

I don’t have available finger slots. Boo.

[hardy nymph]

You don’t even need them. Just remove a ring, wear a gold ring, turn when you get there, remove, stow and wear the enhancive one. Piece of cake

[woven kestrel]

Gold ring holding pins are nice too.

[jaunty hamlet]

Need a cheap gold ring holding like tattoo. Doesn’t take a slot. Can still take a gold ring to power it so like an unauthorized bootleg tattoo. So it costs like 2k bs instead of 50k+

[upbeat stream]

You'd think with all of the power that the chronomages have they'd do more than shake people down

[jaunty hamlet]

Just teleport into the landing bank and clean it out. Jez guys come on.

[flint kiln]

all those +19 swimming helms you cast aside are reveling in your suffering rn

[gilded fiber]

anyone have a room number to leave sailor's grief? took the ferry over from Solhaven, but not seeing where to get back

[spice dew]

go north from the room with the warden on the docks

[gilded fiber]

ahh got it. walked all over, but not there. thank you!

[jaunty hamlet]

you can use ;go2 shipbroker to either side of the solhaven/grief connections to get to the pay for a ship dude. The SG side isn't on the visual version of the map we have currently.

[willow ginkgo]

Should see if a map maker could make a more refined version of the SG map instead of what we have now. It's a tad lacking

[spice dew]

it’s a little janky, but since only 10 people use it… 😅

[amber anvil]

I guess we could insert the one I made ... Anyone want to pretty it up?
Would be a good test to see if the autogenerated coordinates work too.

could remove the numbers, leave blank, put the names. Toss some boxes with creature info, ect.

[spice dew]

#2 ask AI to draw the rest of the owl

[frozen cipher]

One of these days I'll check it out. SG sounds like a fun challenge

[spice dew]

if you’re looking for a little dust up, i recommend strolling the seat of storms with a necro ring on 😁

nothing like a spectral oracle to make you sit up straight

[upbeat stream]

It was funny cleaning them up the first 2 times after that...!!!

[marsh bane]

Seems like the Contempt would be a great spot for an enterprising young town locksmith, maybe Larton's youngest kid? He was sent off to progress his craft with a bunch of sailors. What are the odds that he could be found somewhere in the Contempt? (Yes, this is a plea for a town locksmith in Contempt).

[willow ginkgo]

Ah... locksmith pool getting full again on Shattered?

[marsh bane]

I haven't checked.

Extrapolating - I'm at 1.6k boxes for today. 4 more hours to go. So I'd be closing in on just under 2k boxes. I know that would be a massive drain on the pool though. So I'm trying to just stick to the more expensive townsmith to keep the pool open for other folks. Otherwise, we just run into the same crazy tip run up.

[round needle]

A town locksmith would be fantastic.

[magic robin]

So what’s the overall consensus on this place? I have not traveled there yet.

[viral heron]

its a decent change of pace...I dont love the moving through the ocean part, primordials have annoying DS, and some critter dispels WAY too often...

[left quartz]

Bring floaties.

[viral heron]

but if you are tired of the same old same old...its some spice

[jaunty hamlet]

Kelpies. Disappointing as "not having to deal with constant major dispel" was definitely a big QOL win for spell sever areas up until now.

and it's elemental major dispel so if you're a non-elemental caster rocking like the lazy default 509 and/or 414/911 as your outside spells it gets them every time.

[idle gale]

Teehee.

[lyric folio]

If there was a way to "fast travel" between KF and SG I'd love it forever.

[idle gale]

There are charter ships, no?

[lyric folio]

That takes 10 minutes! Hardly fast.

[frozen cipher]

It would be nice if the Contempt was considered "in town" for transport systems that use that as a requirement. That would at least cut the travel time in one direction. HW is that way.

[spice dew]

hiwi and talon should be mount travel locations
and sorcs need to be able to target talon eventually, imo

[lyric folio]

Gating the travel behind real-money purchases or profession-specific mechanics would be disappointing for me. I'm not saying those shouldn't be viable ways to get to the contempt quickly, but I don't think they should be the only way.

I think of it like the hive: accessing the hunting area from town is easy, but accessing the town itself is a bit of a hassle, which feels reasonable.

If KF's ascension area is SG, then it feels to me like accessing SG from KF (which is already non-trivial to get to) should be fast and easy. But maybe that's the wrong lens. All I know is that I was hoping I could set myself up on KF and live that island life while easily popping to/from SG to hunt, and it doesn't seem like that's really an option.

Note that none of this has anything to do with my feelings re: hunting in SG. I think it's an awesome area in all its design elements; I don't even mind the swimming! But isolating it from something that's already isolated feels like a hat on a hat to me.

[spice dew]

i hear your point about gating, but in my mind it's not about gating but about increasing / updating the functionality of the paid items and profession stuff. i'm completely open to faster not item/prof related stuff

[amber anvil]

Toss a whirlpool to suck you down and shoot you up in the bay of KF and vice versa. Make it require an area specific currency 😇

[spice dew]

it’ll be related to tentacles i’m sure

[amber anvil]

Or we could take the periphat approach and you carry a lightning rod around you gotta get charged and it will create a portal for you

[spice dew]

a 2nd log ride from kf

[amber anvil]

Be one long log ride, i'm down though hah
ride the log through the whirlpool. It's like one of those balancing games

[spice dew]

maybe a second throne shows up in the atoll temple and you can zap between

[frozen cipher]

That would be in keeping with access to HW from Icemule. If you can get to the scrying room, you can zip to HW. Costs you 5 artifacts if I recall. All you need to do is add a scrying room somewhere in the K environs.

[twin pine]

Is anyone sailing to SG? When I go, I am not.

[frozen cipher]

I do appreciate the smaller, more connected group of hunters that you get when hunting in a more difficult to access hunting environs. So maybe the 10 minutes each way PITA is worth it.

[amber anvil]

I’m just selfish. I wasn’t able to move my property to SG since the trove was super rigged and one person won both of them… so this is the next best thing!

[spice dew]

i do from kf, it’s just around the corner and i continue to grind away at my osa titles from talon isle occasionally

[viral heron]

i'd like to sail to SG but I dont know how to get there from KF :/
I am a notoriously poor seaman who cant seem to find a good map

[light ruin]

I just use the npc ship person from Solhaven and it's not 10 minutes it's probably more like 5. Not bad for 20k

[viral heron]

is there an updated OSA map with SG shown?

[amber anvil]

#1393754345484320848 message

[fast basalt]

This is what I do.

I would love if urchin travel worked on the contempt for ease of use aboard. Turn them into ethereal deckhands or something.

[spice dew]

once you do it once, i think you’ll find it’s a fairly simple navigation. it’s essentially head west out of kf and hug the wall clockwise in a circle into the lucky seaway. kinda "right around the corner"

[left quartz]

Remember sails come down, not go up. Despite this not being the case irl with small boats.

[young galleon]

Learned that very quickly, even as a sloop is a small boat.

[willow ginkgo]

Does Sailor's Grief have any spell limiting mechanics? Like Spell Sever?

[fast basalt]

Both the hunting grounds and the Contempt resting area are subject to Spell Sever.

[willow ginkgo]

seems a bit much the Contempt is also subject to it

is it the normal 2 spells like other areas?

[spice dew]

yes

[young galleon]

Huh. I haven't been there, but that does seem inconvenient to rest and spellup. Mana bread and a wizard using mana spellup are inconvenient when missed or forgotten to drop the spells before entering the hunting areas.

[fathom tusk]

If you are in SG, it should not be a problem or you shouldn't be worried cause you died anyways

[wraith rivet]

Is someone singing Song of Peace at the Contempt tables area?
If I am remembering correctly, it would affect round time for picking as if we were field picking and raising RT. Jumping from a 3-5 second disarm to now being 15 seconds.
This was not happening about an hour ago.

[modest slate]

def not me

[modest slate]

do any of the monsters in sg go through your pockets when you're dead like the gremlins?

[fast basalt]

Not that I'm aware of

[spice dew]

no, there’s a distrusting lack of death mechanics in sg. missed opportunity, imo

[modest slate]

hm thats strange. my wifi went out and when i came back, i found random items in my inventory on the floor

[spice dew]

The evanescent shield shrouding you fades briefly.
[MDR result: 182 (Open d100: 113, Bonus: 8)]
Though you try to fend off the phantasms, they swirl in upon you in a shadowy torrent, and you feel weak in the knees!

Tumorous growths sprout from an algae-draped merrow oracle's form, sprouting into malformed heads and misshapen fins!  The sickening sight is too much for your stomach to take, and its contents churn and roil.
   ... 12 points of damage!

An algae-draped merrow oracle's form seems to shimmer and multiply until dozens of mirror images close around you, and despair claws at your throat.
   ... 17 points of damage!

All around an algae-draped merrow oracle, you see eyes, glowing with bioluminescence, staring at you from the shadows.  Fear turns your blood to ice!
   ... 12 points of damage!

Tumorous growths sprout from an algae-draped merrow oracle's form, sprouting into malformed heads and misshapen fins!  The sickening sight is too much for your stomach to take, and its contents churn and roil.
   ... 15 points of damage!

An algae-draped merrow oracle's form seems to shimmer and multiply until dozens of mirror images close around you, and despair claws at your throat.
   ... 12 points of damage!```

i think its part of this DoT / fear-like attack

it's kinda hard to tell from my log, but i think i suffered two damage cycles per debuff cycle and went through three cycles over 30ish seconds

[solar jolt]

I kinda think 210 should make it so trenchlings can't summon their friends.

[light ruin]

That would give 210 a nice use case

[idle gale]

I don't hate that.

[jaunty hamlet]

Conversely Burghal gnomes should be able to imitate them and make trenchlihgs spawn on demand.

[upbeat stream]

On that note I'm once again asking to make my legendary find legendary and allow me to take my rightful place as king of the fish people
Tijay's spherical eyes observe the area before him, his red irises staring out from beneath a prominent bony brow engulfed in matted iridescent scaling. Graduated ridges of mottled brown and yellow spike upwards from his forehead, traversing the length of his curved upper body, the sharp protrusions tightly framing the sides of his skull as they drip rivulets of saltwater. Tijay's shell-draped body hunches forward, his damp, leathery green skin clinging to his heavily muscled form, barely concealed by the simple swathes of cloth loosely draped across his chest. He occasionally unhinges his jaw, revealing a maw of jagged, yellowed teeth, snapping his mouth shut in anticipation.

[sand prism]

Dam, you scary 🙈

[left quartz]

Until you look at his profile pic.

[idle gale]

Maybe a level 100 fishing reward.

[light ruin]

You notice a grey-plumed steelwing harpy (flying) and a grey-plumed steelwing harpy (flying).
Obvious paths: southwest
Your cavern spirit followed.
>
You can't climb the wall with your hands full.
>
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
A grey-plumed steelwing harpy positions herself to attack you.
The evanescent shield shrouding you flares to life and absorbs the oncoming blow.
>
Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
>316
[ecaster]>incant 316
You gesture firmly, hands and fingers forming severe angles, while chanting rumbling phrases of power to prepare Censure in the Dwarven tongue...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
Speaking the words of a sacred incantation, you channel the power of divine displeasure toward those deserving of punishment.
Your magic fails to find a target.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.```Bug, or lore reasons, Auchand?

[viral heron]

Certain enemies, most notably priests or those favored by arkati, are naturally immune to Censure and will always be unaffected.

harpies favored?

[light ruin]

Only other mob I've come across that doesn't even face a warding roll for Censure are valravn

[spice dew]

can you normally 316 something in the air? i can’t remember

[idle gale]

I assume it is a flying issue.

[light ruin]

Should we raise that as a potential bug vs the spell? Nothing about the description really seems to indicate flying would prohibit it from working

[idle gale]

Might be worth it. I confirmed that it is not working against flying creatures.

[jaunty hamlet]

“Birds. My one weakness” —every Arkati

[idle gale]

True fact: the Arkati experience bird blindness.

That's why they can't understand the Ur-Daemons. Ur-Daemons are all birds. QED.

[spice dew]

TIL

[upbeat stream]

Eonak says, "Okay and with the power of my hammer I give you the ability to censure the masses for their transgressions... wait did you say they can they can fly? Nevermind too strong."

[jaunty hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-look-at-me-tim-meadows-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-take-a-look-at-me-see-me-gif-12749573670840190103

[upbeat stream]

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-birdblindness-ihavebirdblindness-i-have-bird-blindness-blind-gif-13237062859219214797

[wise fable]

https://tenor.com/view/this-universe-has-been-canonized-scarab-adventure-time-fionna-and-cake-it's-all-been-made-official-the-world-is-now-set-gif-17707113028525666494

[modest slate]

where do all the pawnshop items end up? is the sg one linked to any of the others?

[spice dew]

from what i understand all pawnshops are linked, so it would end up on the table at another pawn

[feral cloak]

Really??

[rocky sandal]

Yes

[jaunty hamlet]

yeah it doesn't always go into yours though that seems to be the most common by a lot. and i think it doesn't necesarily even go out at all. We have to outpace pawnshop sales by like, multiple orders of magnitude so it's gotta just get deleted sometimes lol

[quick wolf]

Was going to add the map to the wiki page. It looks like all the info is in https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Sailor's_Grief_creatures instead of https://gswiki.play.net/Sailor's_Grief

Is there a reason its like this? Can i move everything over?

[willow ginkgo]

No, you wouldn't move things over. If anything, the https://gswiki.play.net/Sailor's_Grief page would just get redirected to the creatures page.

The current wiki style prefers usage of the Category pages for this type of content.

• https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Ruined_Temple_creatures
• https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Sanctum_creatures
• https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Hinterwilds_creatures
• https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Moonsedge_creatures
  etc....

For more discussion about wiki stuff though, you'd be better to talk about it here: https://discord.com/channels/226045346399256576/1061330227843833926 instead

[spice dew]

ask mal about bou
Malovor says, "Ah, so you're from the Adventurer's Guild? Yes, we do have a task for you. A particularly dangerous algae-draped merrow oracle has been attacking hunters based out of this town

[round needle]

Anyone find a gemstone yet that'll negate the lightning like in Nelemar?

[spice dew]

there's currently no SG regional gemstone properties

[light ruin]

The spawn rate of tentacles in the Ship Graveyard area feels really excessive, I can deal with it on the cleric because 319 exists but it's become a deal breaker on the monk really. Real hard to deal with being non-stop CC'd and RT locked

[light ruin]

I spawned a grizzled merrow and lost track of it and then had to go AFK for an hour. I got back home and nobody's killed it yet, rofl. Nobody hunts here.

[light ruin]

Update: the merrow found me. Get a load of this combo. Bye bye iron skin.```A pallid fog-cloaked kelpie raises a threatening hoof as he stares at you!

A shifting, prismatic aura coalesces around you, then vanishes in a brilliant flash!

You feel the unnatural surge of necrotic power wane away.
The layer of protection fades away.
The visions slowly trickle from your mind, and you are left with the world before you once again.
You feel the tension in your skin ease and notice that your complexion returns to normal.
R>
A grizzled humpbacked merrow unhinges her jaw monstrously and tries to bite into you!
AS: +616 vs DS: +394 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +60 = +321
... and hits for 32 points of damage!
You hear several snaps as your neck is broken in several places.```

[upbeat stream]

He stayed a live just for that moment

[spice dew]

i watched 120, 319, 314 and two other spells disappear on one dispel and told myself, i need a new gemstone 😁

With a flourish, the artificer begins channeling energy into your strawberry red jewel, causing it to shine with amplified fire. The "Advanced Spell Shielding" property of your jewel has been amplified to rank 2.

especially since it seems like 90% of my bounties end up in the shipyard

[fast basalt]

I only got 1 bounty for the Mageborn crowd today out of about 5 so sometimes it just comes in groups. Got like 4-5 harpy feather tasks in a row the other day

[idle gale]

I have to admit, I really want to try the ship graveyard.

[stuck mural]

i think it's my favorite thematically but my least favorite to actually walk around cause i'm lazy

[spice dew]

i only accept dangerous, kill, and heirloom tasks ... which ends up focusing most my bounties on the shipyard ... in fact i'm starting to wonder if whelks and corsairs are excluded from those tasks or heavily disfavored because i can't remember getting one

[marsh bane]

Fun story, I track that. Here is my info over the past 10 hours (I only accept kill/dangerous):

| cull      | algae-draped merrow oracle       | 1     | 0:07:29    | 0:07:29    | 0:12:22            | 0:12:22  |
| cull      | blubbery humpbacked merrow       | 2     | 0:04:41    | 0:02:21    | 0:14:05            | 0:07:03  |
| cull      | fulminating stormborn primordial | 1     | 0:06:30    | 0:06:30    | 0:22:10            | 0:22:10  |
| cull      | grey-plumed steelwing harpy      | 2     | 0:11:07    | 0:05:34    | 0:11:27            | 0:05:44  |
| cull      | kelp-tangled coral golem         | 1     | 0:02:51    | 0:02:51    | 0:10:17            | 0:10:17  |
| cull      | milky-eyed drowned mariner       | 2     | 0:06:29    | 0:03:15    | 0:15:44            | 0:07:52  |
| cull      | scaly needle-toothed trenchling  | 1     | 0:05:02    | 0:05:02    | 0:05:20            | 0:05:20  |
| cull      | tenebrific wraith shark          | 1     | 0:07:06    | 0:07:06    | 0:14:11            | 0:14:11  |
| dangerous | algae-draped merrow oracle       | 2     | 0:08:53    | 0:04:27    | 0:24:21            | 0:12:11  |
| dangerous | brackish bilge mass              | 1     | 0:02:22    | 0:02:22    | 0:02:28            | 0:02:28  |
| dangerous | garish revenant buccaneer        | 8     | 0:17:52    | 0:02:14    | 0:38:47            | 0:02:25  |
| dangerous | grey-plumed steelwing harpy      | 2     | 0:12:57    | 0:06:29    | 0:02:04            | 0:02:04  |
| dangerous | kelp-tangled coral golem         | 4     | 0:09:16    | 0:02:19    | 0:09:16            | 0:02:19  |
| dangerous | milky-eyed drowned mariner       | 2     | 0:02:55    | 0:01:28    | 0:26:21            | 0:13:11  |
| dangerous | pallid fog-cloaked kelpie        | 1     | 0:03:21    | 0:03:21    | 0:10:58            | 0:10:58  |

| skin      | scaly needle-toothed trenchling  | 16    | 0:19:56    | 0:01:15    | 1:17:09            | 0:02:29  |```

To your point, no corsair or whelks.

[stuck mural]

a log search doesn't show any of those for me either.

[light ruin]

Never had a whelk bounty. I want to say I had corsair tasks early on after the zone opened but not for a good while now

[round needle]

We looked at this back in November I think. I also have not gotten a single whelk bounty that I can recall in the tracker.

[round needle]

Here's my list today:

| cull              | brackish bilge mass              | 1     | 0:04:04    | 0:04:04    | 0:11:40            | 0:11:40  |
| cull              | fulminating stormborn primordial | 1     | 0:02:02    | 0:02:02    | 0:11:37            | 0:11:37  |
| cull              | garish revenant buccaneer        | 3     | 0:09:07    | 0:03:02    | 0:06:01            | 0:03:01  |
| cull              | tenebrific wraith shark          | 4     | 0:13:07    | 0:03:17    | 1:32:45            | 0:10:18  |
| dangerous_spawned | revenant buccaneer               | 1     | 0:03:04    | 0:03:04    | 0:06:21            | 0:06:21  |
| dangerous         | algae-draped merrow oracle       | 7     | 0:37:45    | 0:05:24    | 0:37:45            | 0:05:24  |
| dangerous         | blubbery humpbacked merrow       | 3     | 0:20:37    | 0:06:52    | 0:20:37            | 0:06:52  |
| dangerous         | brackish bilge mass              | 1     | 0:09:42    | 0:09:42    | 0:09:42            | 0:09:42  |
| dangerous         | fulminating stormborn primordial | 3     | 0:17:10    | 0:05:43    | 0:24:59            | 0:06:15  |
| dangerous         | garish revenant buccaneer        | 2     | 0:08:40    | 0:04:20    | 0:08:40            | 0:04:20  |
| dangerous         | grey-plumed steelwing harpy      | 5     | 0:35:45    | 0:07:09    | 0:51:07            | 0:07:18  |
| dangerous         | pallid fog-cloaked kelpie        | 4     | 0:29:50    | 0:07:28    | 0:19:13            | 0:06:24  |

| dangerous         | tenebrific wraith shark          | 2     | 0:10:58    | 0:05:29    | 0:10:58            | 0:05:29  |
| heirloom          | algae-draped merrow oracle       | 1     | 0:10:09    | 0:10:09    | 0:10:09            | 0:10:09  |
| heirloom          | brackish bilge mass              | 1     | 0:04:01    | 0:04:01    | 0:12:46            | 0:12:46  |
| heirloom          | fulminating stormborn primordial | 1     | 0:08:30    | 0:08:30    | 0:16:23            | 0:16:23  |
| heirloom          | kelp-tangled coral golem         | 2     | 0:12:45    | 0:06:23    | 0:29:11            | 0:14:36  |
| heirloom          | pallid fog-cloaked kelpie        | 3     | 0:08:53    | 0:02:58    | 1:02:25            | 0:20:48  |
| heirloom          | scaly needle-toothed trenchling  | 3     | 0:11:53    | 0:03:58    | 0:20:43            | 0:06:54  |
| heirloom          | tenebrific wraith shark          | 6     | 0:30:15    | 0:05:03    | 0:47:25            | 0:07:54  |
| skin              | scaly needle-toothed trenchling  | 3     | 0:06:24    | 0:02:08    | 0:44:03            | 0:06:18  |
+-------------------+----------------------------------+-------+------------+------------+--------------------+----------+```

They make up almost 11% of all my kills:

| Creatures (unique: 14, total kills w/creature: 5008) |
+---------------------------+-------------+------------+
| Creature                  | Kills       | % of Kills |
+---------------------------+-------------+------------+
| needle-toothed trenchling | 636         | 12.7%      |
| lightning whelk           | 539         | 10.8%      |
| humpbacked merrow         | 504         | 10.1%      |
| coral golem               | 452         | 9.0%       |
| bilge mass                | 384         | 7.7%       |
| drowned mariner           | 374         | 7.5%       |
| revenant buccaneer        | 374         | 7.5%       |
| stormborn primordial      | 362         | 7.2%       |
| wraith shark              | 353         | 7.0%       |
| fog-cloaked kelpie        | 336         | 6.7%       |
| corsair                   | 237         | 4.7%       |
| kraken tentacle           | 168         | 3.4%       |
| steelwing harpy           | 165         | 3.3%       |
| merrow oracle             | 124         | 2.5%       |
+---------------------------+-------------+------------+```

[idle gale]

Good eye, gumshoes.

[small delta]

https://tenor.com/view/chief-carmen-sandiego-gif-22258027

[idle gale]

Corsairs and whelks might now start appearing as bounties.

[light ruin]

You have been tasked to recover an ivory and silver cameo brooch that an unfortunate citizen lost after being attacked by a gigantic lightning whelk in Sailor's Grief near Talon Isle. The heirloom can be identified by the initials WT engraved upon it. SEARCH the area until you find it.

[round needle]

You have been tasked to suppress hapless charmed corsair activity in Sailor's Grief near Talon Isle. You need to kill 10 more of them to complete your task. Nice!

[idle gale]

Wheeee.

[novel panther]

does 740/sense pattern transport work in SG?

[stuck mural]

no

[amber anvil]

Can wizard familiar's swim?

[jaunty hamlet]

i havent' tried forcefully walking them through the ocean if that's what you mean. just find some volunteer to sit on the dock on talon 24/7... though i guess it would be better if they were on grief since it's in the middle and they dont' technically have to be "alive" per se