#A Gilded Locus [Super Enhancive - Duskruin / Rumor Woods / Ebon Gate]

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hasty void
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Sorry, per character. Fixed

thorn cradle
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If I am calculating correctly, a patient player can acquire the following locus for 70k:

  • +17 Max Mana
  • +16 Manipulation Lore Bonus
  • +6 Dodging Bonus
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As per the example listed here.

rare holly
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would be dodging bonus but yeah 🙂

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I also believe it would be... 13 max mana? or does it start at +5 instead of +1 ?

lapis dirge
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For example, if the player were to add Manipulation Lore (+5) and Dodging (+5) across two events, boosting Dodging (+1) at one event and Manipulation Lore (+1) at the others, the result would total 20k and yield +3 health/mana/stam, +6 dodging , +6 manip for 20k, right?

thorn cradle
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That should be 20k, I think...

rare holly
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add manip 5k, boost manip 5k total 10k event 1 add dodge 5k, boost dodge 5k 10k event 2, total 20k and result of 3 of your initial stat, and 6 dodge, 6 manip

lapis dirge
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8 boosts on the manip (+8) over subsequent 2 years will cost 40k (up to 60k total) and yield +11 health/mana/stam, +6 dodging , +14 manip

thorn cradle
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I think I need more coffee 🙂

rare holly
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just need to go program a locus calculator haha

thorn cradle
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For example, if the player were to add Manipulation Lore and Dodging across two events, boosting Dodging at one event and Manipulation Lore at the other, the cost would total 20k and provide the following locus:

  • 200/200 charges, non-crumbly
  • 2 months of no charge loss
  • +3 Max Mana
  • +6 Manipulation Lore Bonus
  • +6 Dodging Bonus

Boosting Manipulation Lore once at each event for the subsequent two years (8 events), the additional cost would be 40k and result in the following locus:

  • +11 Max Mana
  • +14 Manipulation Lore Bonus
  • +6 Dodging Bonus

Does this look correct?

rare holly
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yeah that looks right to me

thorn cradle
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Great. Thanks for catching those mistakes!

rare holly
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the only other thing I might edit is "over 8 additional events or 2 years worth" or something of that sort for wording for the time frame in the second part, since the total there is over 10 total events

zenith galleon
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10k bloodscrip gonna save me 41 ATPs, AKA 2,050,000 exp, on the journey to 136 Earth lore. 🎉 Synergy with Nyxus' other major contribution this Duskruin!

solemn nacelle
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Has the locus been released yet?

thorn cradle
solemn nacelle
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Is it still planned to be included in a battle vault?

vale osprey
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Oil is what is included in the battle vault, It provides a 1 month charge to the locus. The Locus itself is not in the vault.

thorn cradle
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But the locus is free 🙂

vivid bear
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First taste always is

rain heath
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cue the viva la dirt ability point sketch

covert pelican
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Is it the first 2 additions per event that start at +5 and following events, if you add another addition does that start at +5?

hasty void
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The first 2 in totality, irrespective of event

covert pelican
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Thanks, and each locus can only have a single resource enhansive?

thorn cradle
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It can have multiple +max enhancives, but only the starter enhancive will receive boosts automatically as you boost other properties

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It also supports +recovery resource enhancives

sharp elbow
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I already have some interesting feature creep ideas for the future on this thing. +Spell ranks, anybody?? 😉

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Or “focus attributes” that you (at great cost) can push past normal enhancive limits with

The good news is that people will be working these locuses up for years, so lots of time to brainstorm good ideas!

sweet vector
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+Spell ranks should be part of ascension

sand nimbus
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And spirit recovery

green ermine
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I know I am late to the party on this by a few days but THANK YOU.

"The locus will be account attuned rather than character attuned."

thorn cradle
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Thanks to those that provided feedback that that would be preferred!

mental talon
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I was a little disappointed to see the bank heist is gone, i had a few items I'd been squireling away to possibly but together a bag of holding eventually someone said they might be released through alternate methods any word on that?

sweet vector
mental talon
pulsar canopy
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Kinda wish they’d kill the drops for items that are no longer available.

sweet vector
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We had this discussion last year, basically might as well keep the drops as its better than "nothing" which is what would happen if they just turned it off (meaning they won't replace them with something else)

gentle girder
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And some of us will still buy drops

lilac scarab
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I'm still upgrading mine! It goes slow when you only play one DR in two or 3.

thorn cradle
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[Town Square Central]
This is the heart of the main square of Wehnimer's Landing.  The impromptu shops of the bazaar are clustered around this central gathering place, where townsfolk, travellers, and adventurers meet to talk, conspire or raise expeditions to the far-flung reaches of Elanith.  At the north end of the space, an old well, with moss-covered stones and a craggy roof, is shaded by a strong, robust tree.  The oak is tall and straight, and it is apparent that the roots run deep.  You also see a half-elf traveler
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This is in test!

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>ask trav about locus
The half-elf traveler says, "The gilded locus is a powerful artifact that is imbued with extraordinary enhancive magic.  If you'd like to learn more, just ASK me for a NEW locus.  If you already have a locus, you can ASK me about ADDing or BOOSTing properties."
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I have dropped some bloodscrip on the ground

rare holly
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seems to be working, I would add the hyperlink "ask about" options to the npc, so you can see the ask about locus, ask abount new locus, ask about add, and ask about boost

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oh and I would like bold the amount of bloodscrip each thing is costing, even if it's like it's own line or something, it kinda got lost to me in the add and boost options

glass verge
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.

lapis dirge
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only oddity that I noticed is that, while it does show up in inventory, it doesn't get listed by "inv loca" (maybe that's intended since it doesn't have a location, don't know)

lilac scarab
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I wonder if paladin battle standards show up in inv location

sand nimbus
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they do As a battle standard: a sacrosanct silver battle standard with a rippling green sheen (functional)

thorn cradle
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The price for locus boosts will be lowered to 5/10/15/25/35k

thorn cradle
modest jay
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5x for life.

gentle girder
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Is the traveler out and about yet?

sharp elbow
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Pricing feels spot on now

short orbit
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Fantastic new price!!

thorn cradle
modest jay
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12:01 am eastern time. Got it.

gentle girder
forest kiln
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loci luck

hazy marsh
modest jay
thorn cradle
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Unless I should put her out now?

hazy marsh
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😮

short orbit
thorn cradle
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She appears to be hanging out near the dock in prime

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One up from the Duskruin entrance

lapis dirge
sand nimbus
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The half-elf traveler says, "If you're interested in receiving a new locus, just ASK me about NEW STAMINA LOCUS, NEW MANA LOCUS, or NEW HEALTH LOCUS."```
can we change the type later?
bright crescent
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so to be clear, boosts are 5/10/15/25/35, and adding new property is 5/25/?

thorn cradle
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Official Announcement: #event-announcements message

thorn cradle
thorn cradle
lapis dirge
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how does one use the oil to charge the locus?

thorn cradle
bright crescent
heady pawn
flat vessel
thorn cradle
thorn cradle
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When you first receive the locus, you can request a stamina locus, a health locus, or a mana locus. Depending on your choice, it will begin with +1 max to one of those 3 resources.

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As you boost the locus, the +max resource will also increase

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Let me know if that covers it sufficiently, or if you have any other questions! There's a lot to the little item

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I am also able to give an example, if that would help 🙂

flat vessel
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I'm putting the wiki page link into the News with Miss Newsby starting at 1:24am, ish, tonight.

Just letting you know where I'm sending folks with questions.

topaz pollen
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Towncrier tomorrow morning: Tragically a half-elf traveler was trampled to death last night.

mild path
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Is she still in TSC in Test

modern isle
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Nyxus, just for the sake of clarity, that means that the third property added (first at second or third event) will start at +1?

thorn cradle
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Otherwise the locus would get to 20 +5 properties a little too easily 🙂

short orbit
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    It provides a boost of 6 to Max Stamina.
    It provides a boost of 5 to Strength Base.
    It provides a boost of 10 to Elemental Lore - Air Bonus.
    This item is restricted to use by your account.```
Awesome! Thanks, Nyxus!
thorn cradle
thorn cradle
modern isle
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Makes sense! And if you added one property and boosted it once, that alone would keep it charged at least until EG, right?

thorn cradle
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Adding a property doesn't add a charge. Boosting a property adds one month charge.

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But the battle vault contains an (account attuned) item that adds a one month charge as well

modern isle
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Ah! Good clarification. Thanks again! 😄

rain heath
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adding properties doesn't boost the primary by 1?

thorn cradle
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Nope, just boosting

short orbit
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Eh, how do I use this oil now? I tried pour, add, apply, rub...

thorn cradle
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[Duskruin / Rumor Woods / Ebon Gate] A Half-Elven Traveler and the Gilded Locus

thorn cradle
short orbit
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Okay, thanks!

rain heath
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the oil will stack with whatever duration we get from boosts right, nothing will overwrite anything

thorn cradle
brazen sedge
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Thanks for all your hard work Nyxus, and any other GM's that were involved with the locus

rain heath
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does it say anywhere when the charges expire?

short orbit
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inv enh list

Whatever happened to the 'charged' line on Analyze, btw?

thorn cradle
quiet siren
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Those are some good changes, tempting to invest a little into it

mild path
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I would like to complain that the code and system was too good and I couldn't feature creep it

thorn cradle
quiet siren
thorn cradle
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I need to step away for a bit, but I'll be back later!

mild path
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We'll have to think of flourishes for it

granite terrace
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Something with locusts

rain heath
granite terrace
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The locust located in your locus looks lonely.

short orbit
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Can I turn a locus into a bard luck item?

mild path
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No

hasty void
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No scripted items.

short orbit
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sad

spice heart
thorn cradle
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The battle vault oil should now work correctly!

rain heath
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[Your oil will not lose charges until 9/19/2024 21:07:59 CDT.]```

should probably say locus?
quiet siren
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the oil stacks with the boost month charge right? So if you bought a boost and then use the oil (or vice versa) it would be 2 months?

neat lance
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yes oil stacks

thorn cradle
sweet vector
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Stretch ask: make the 2nd 25K additional stat add +5 once per event (after the first 2 rule)

rain heath
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would echo the earlier comment that charge info in analyze was useful

thorn cradle
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Just so folks know, the wiki is presently out of date on this item - https://gswiki.play.net/Gilded_locus - so please don't use that as the source of truth for now. Instead, the announcement should be referenced: #event-announcements message

topaz pollen
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does this lose charges like a normal enhancive? As in it won't lose charges if you aren't wearing it?

thorn cradle
rain heath
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The pawnbroker adjusts his glasses as he examines the locus.  He hands it back to you, saying, "Can't say I'm interested in that one, mister."```
and naturally my loot sorting script already tried to sell my locus, am I the first?
delicate whale
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Am I crazy that it seems like my +1 HP locus isn't adding to my HP total? INVENTORY ENHANCIVE TOTALS DETAILS shows the +1, but I don't see it reflected on my Wrayth health bar or when I type health

slim bolt
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I need the locus oil to tell me who it's account bound to... cause I opened seven battle vaults and piled the unknown at the time oil onto one character. 👀 🤣

vale osprey
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Just drop all the oils, and have each character do ;foreach noun=oil in room;get item;pour item on my locus!

slim bolt
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Hah, yea, I'll get it sorted out, just funny. 🙂

delicate whale
rain heath
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my +3 mana locus doesn't actually add any mana

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nothing is real

thorn cradle
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Hmmm. If you wear the locus, does it fix it?

toxic holly
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maybe it ups the cap of mana but not actually provide any like the gemstones

rain heath
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I am wearing it

thorn cradle
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It should operate like any other enhancive

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I'll take a look and get it fixed up. Thanks for letting me know!

rain heath
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                         Normal  Enhanced
    Maximum Mana Points:    605       643
  Remaining Mana Points:    643

   Mana gained off node:    121       227
    Mana gained on node:    182       291

  Mana Control abilities:
    MANA PULSE   - Manually invoke a mana pulse to gain mana as if you were off a node.
    MANA SPELLUP - Instantly cast all of your defensive spells.

    You have used the MANA SPELLUP ability 3 out of 12 times for today.  The available uses will reset in 1 hour and 14 minutes.
IJ>wear locus
You put on a gilded locus.
IJ>mana
                         Normal  Enhanced
    Maximum Mana Points:    605       643
  Remaining Mana Points:    643

   Mana gained off node:    121       227
    Mana gained on node:    182       291```
heady pawn
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I'm having the same thing with my locus for +1 stamina

However, I thought I was at 172, and now I'm at 173 stamina. If I take off/put on the locus, it doesn't change from 173.

thorn cradle
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I'll get it fixed up 🙂

heady pawn
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Resources:
  Max Health: 3/300
    +3: an onyx-inlaid copper pin

  Max Stamina: 3/300
    +2: a cushion-cut amber band
    +1: a gilded locus

Shows it there, though.

rain heath
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I think the confusion is that it works all the time, even if you're holding it. So to see if it's working put it in a container.

heady pawn
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yup that did it, back to 172

rain heath
lapis dirge
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not sure the oil is stacking an additional month of charge```>pour oil on my locus
You carefully pour the oil onto a gilded locus. The oil suddenly shatters!

[Your locus will not lose charges until 9/19/2024 21:59:33 CDT.]```that is after adding one property to my locus, ~~so it should be charged for 2 months after the pour, right?~~and is working as intended

rain heath
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i think adding doesn't increase the charge count, it didn't for me

delicate whale
topaz pollen
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no

rain heath
topaz pollen
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oh my bad, thought that was a question of if it loses charges when not worn

lapis dirge
delicate whale
thorn cradle
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It’s a bug that the benefit is being gained while held. I’ll have to fix that. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

rain heath
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Since it goes in its own slot anyway, is there even any conceivable mechanical benefit to holding it?

sand nimbus
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🤔 So we have 4 events a year. Since the month-long charges stack, that means as long as you pick up three boosts every event, you will never have to charge it with bounty points... probably fewer if they get included in future vaults

gentle girder
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Nope (responding to Brute)

rain heath
teal walrus
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hehe

vale osprey
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Do we only have 4 events? Thought we were at like 6

sand nimbus
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^ some GM is reading the above and having a heart attack

topaz pollen
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if they ever allow you to have more than one, then it being active when held would be a problem

heady pawn
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DR x 2
RW
EG
I think these are the events we can add to it?

vale osprey
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I guess RoL isn't it's own event anymore and premium fest doesn't count

sand nimbus
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how much total currency do they give out in the event and giftboxes each event?

gentle girder
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Premium Fest should count, help drive that sub number up

thorn cradle
slow flume
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if you boost +5 on the locus at an event, is it 90k total?

vale osprey
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Yes, the 5 +1 boosts come out to 90k

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Can boosts be used to increase the inherent resource?

topaz pollen
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why would you pay to boost that directly when it boosts whenever you boost anything else?

vale osprey
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I'm thinking about in 18 years after I finish the other 400 bonus.

short orbit
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120k for everything you can do right now. Half that if you skip the last two +1s.

lost grail
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like 6500 to max it out (at minimum price each event), but oh no, they might use a simu enhancive potion to keep it active each month. I say it should be chargeless at these prices.

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Probably misread something about the costs to upgrade and I'm off by a factor of 10, but meh, still

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Oh yeah, reading it again, 6500 is way way low.

spark moon
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the first two additions will yield +5 instead of +1
Is this per event, or the first 2 ever?

tight junco
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First 2 ever
#1273671107035271271 message

spark moon
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Thank you - I'm not sure that would be all too "easy". I doubt anyone would want to pay the charging costs for all 20 +5's anyways and it would still cost 100k BS to create (and 2 years). If that were the case I'd probably get like 5 of them for 25k BS and call it a day. If you're not going to invest in it forever, you're going to have to start paying to recharge it at some point...and wearing an enhancive that has so many stats that are only situationally useful is kind of inefficient from that standpoint. Or you become a lifelong buyer of recharging potions from the simucoin store for your 20x +5 enhancive that is account bound.

tight junco
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Potions don't work on the locus, I'm afraid.

merry bronze
tight junco
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You win for tagging the reply though!

merry bronze
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But it's worth reiterating that the locus receives a month of being charged (like a simucoin potion might result in) every time you give it a property boost. And every time you use the oil on it, which comes with the battle vaults. Maybe in CLAIM EVENT boxes, too? Either way, keeping it charged seems fairly inexpensive, regardless of how much enhancive properties have been built up on it.

Unless, of course, you stop boosting properties and applying oil. Eventually it will run out, and then yes, you'll be asked to pay 83 million bounty points to recharge it or something, but alas.

spark moon
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Good point. Brain not work right before 6am.

lapis dirge
# spark moon Thank you - I'm not sure that would be all too "easy". I doubt anyone would want...

So this is all pretty hypothetical and maybe doesn't matter but... the charging costs for 20x +5 bonuses wouldn't be all that bad, presuming those costs behave like the AG badge and other enhancives today. Recharge costs sum for multiple properties. And recharge costs grow proportional to a seed 1 summation (or [n*(n+1)/2], quadratic). This means a single +20 bonus costs 14x the bounty points to recharge as a +5 bonus.

spice heart
spark moon
# lapis dirge So this is all pretty hypothetical and maybe doesn't matter but... the charging ...

It would still seem to be quite expensive and inefficient to maintain a 20x +5 enhancive. If you're only buying 2 per event that alone won't keep it charged...so you have to buy in to other things...and after 10 events you've maxed out your +5's and then the clock really starts ticking on the recharge cost.

Are there even 20 things I'd want to have +5 of at the same time, considering the recharge cost that will eventually kick in? I don't think so. There are a bunch but I wouldn't even strongly want them all at once on one enhancive since many are situational (this does change a lot if you could actually keep it charged at a reasonable cost indefinetely.).

Even so, I feel like if someone wants to pay 100k BS to get 20x +5s on an account bound item and keep it charged (and further incentivized to buy battle vaults and maybe claim boxes) that's not too game-breaking and puts a bunch of $$ in event revenue. Otherwise the value investment here seems to be two +5's for 10k BS and I'm not sure that's worth spending 10k BS on.

As a cleric the value falls big time after +5 wisdom (the next +5 stat/skill is not nearly as useful imo). For my sorc it's more tempting to have a +5 wis/aur enhancive I guess...but still paying 10k BS for that when I already easily have a +40 wis/aur set is questionable. Now if I could make like a 5x +5 enhancive for 25k that's a little more tempting b/c of how unique it is. And no I'm not assigning much value to the +max free enhancive.

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Do you even get the 1 month free charge for property adds? If it's just the boost then yeah you're not getting much free charging on the value route.

pallid radish
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To your other comment, you could also do just the 2 property adds for 10k over two events. Is that worth it? Maybe. Probably. That’s comparable to PP enhancives which many people love. Is 10k bs the same value as 2800? Pps.

glass verge
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I think we're falling into the same issue with the flare gloves. Every item doesn't have to be perfect for every player. I'm amazed that so many changes have been approved and implemented so quickly. There were people that were going to buy with the original announcement. There were people that were going to buy with the second announcement. There's a lot of folks that are going to buy after this third announcement. Personally I think its in a better spot than I thought possible.

tight junco
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Up until now I've never really bought into the enhancive game much at all. This changes everything for me and allows me to build a decent set for a new path that I wish to take Roh down. The changes made this past week have been very welcome and I appreciate all the work that has gone into this whole concept.

jagged vigil
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Editorial: I recall a similar discussion back when enhancive recharging was first offered for Soul Shards at EG. People couldn't understand why people would pay that many shards for 10 charges, given that it was the same price as multiple months of enhancive recharge potions. Then people brought up things like Service enhancives that you only use once a month for a few minutes, players that have very spotty playtimes, etc. Sometimes an offering is for a specific segment of players (the helm resize I think was another one of these, nobody expected it to be popular, but somebody wanted it). I fully anticipate that for players that hunt hard and regularly get good enhancive drops, the locus might not be their best option, and that's ok.

spark moon
spark moon
spark moon
# glass verge I think we're falling into the same issue with the flare gloves. Every item doe...

I think it's fair to provide feedback while also understanding that not every item is for everyone. I hear you but I also think he wanted this to also be appealing for value buyers and I still find it quite costly to get something worthwhile. I don't see the value investment path that's worthwhile, personally, so I'm providing feedback. I feel like my comments/feedback get taken as demands for some reason lol

tight junco
# spark moon Can you elaborate? I don't really see this as an entry to the enhancive game...i...

It’s quite simply because I don’t tend to hunt regularly with Roh so don’t find that many enhancives of my own and I don’t want to have to chase them down in shops/sales threads, organise and maintain them all. The AdG badge and this locus simplifies the whole process for someone like me and the cost is worth it for that IMO. I can keep these two items on Roh at all times and not have to worry about multiple pieces.

spark moon
tight junco
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Plus - don’t laugh - it’s easier to keep these hidden and not look like a lit-up Christmas tree! Roh’s appearance is important to me and I hate pestering people for shimmer trinket recharges. (You can laugh a little - I often laugh at myself)

pulsar canopy
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I don’t love most enhansives because so many are a random complicated pain. But this locus helps simplify and consolidate some things which I really appreciate. It can get spendy but it doesn’t have to be if you build it slow. It seems like a nice idea that can be developed casually or aggressively

glass verge
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I think it's hit value level. Buy a battle vault every paid event, boost 2 times every pay event for 15k currency and it will be charged forever. I think everyone can find value in having extra max stamina, health, or mana with 1 other enhancive that simply was not feasible to even try and pursue, like 50 bonus in a lore, or 50 bonus in multi opponent combat, or combat maneuvers, or dodging, or lock picking, etc. There's a long list.

Even if you're already big into enhancives, eventually this will allow you to round out them numbers for the folks with OCD and maybe reduce the total upkeep in time.

quiet siren
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you run into a charging issue in the later half of the year/start of the year, since december has no event. But otherwise, yeah its easy to do a slow upgrade and keep it charged if your normal buy in into the event is in the $100 range.

Also, if you've been doing that pace since the start of events, you almost certainly have all the "value" "budget" "fluff" stuff and aren't chasing big mechanical things, but still enjoy participating in the events to generate currency and other items like the golems, bags of holding etc. So you end up with extra currency over time. so slow investing into something like this gives you another outlet for currency.

bright crescent
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Side note, I think rohese and tsalinx might be as far apart as any two players can be in terms of play style, and I'm getting a kick out of the fact that the locus is where the venn diagram circles overlap

lost grail
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And I'll be sitting outside of the diagram until I can fold the recharge fee into my premium account charge. Sad face.

median depot
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yeah I'm still a bit on the fence with this whole thing. I feel like adding the first few properties at +5 doesn't sound too bad. But the +1 additions for the same price just seems rough

glass verge
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How bout, upgrade to a platinum account and get an oil you can claim each month?
Could also be, premium accounts get a free boost and 30 day charge to your MAX health, stamina, or mana once per quarter.

vale osprey
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I’m platinum, where’s my free oil?

thorn cradle
# vale osprey Can boosts be used to increase the inherent resource?

Note that you can “double dip” on max resource. For example, imagine you start with a +max stamina locus. You can then add +max stamina as an additional property. Subsequently you can increase the +max stamina property you added, and the primary +max property will increase as well.

Note that this is the only case where you can have a duplicate property on the locus

vivid bear
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Yo dawg.

thorn cradle
glass verge
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I might have to do that double dip. I want that +300 health
Just do +health, +health, +mana. Different game.

vivid bear
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I understand the concerns around not being able to maintain the charges, but if you take the thing off when you're not wearing it, and buy a vault at each event, and boost one property at each event, you will still get a few years out of this thing before you even have to worry about a recharge, let alone a costly one, especially if you only play an hour or two per day.

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Also, I can imagine five years from now, when the masses grab their pitchforks and complain about recharging, maybe something will be done. I understand not wanting to take a risk on "maybe" but to me it's worth it.

mild path
jagged vigil
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Also, at the very least, we can take the concern about charging during eventless months up the chain and see what we can cook up

mild path
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Silvers recharging in December too

glass verge
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Well obviously the answer is to open up rings of lumnis during eventless months and everytime you go through a ring to boost your brooch, you increase the charge on your locus by 1.

short orbit
heady pawn
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I think recharging won't really be an issue if people buy the BV and continue the boost.
The only concern I have about BP charging is the whole rank/base/bonus charge difference.. but that's a different beast than the locus.

I'm really looking forward to customizing this free slot enhancive over the years, personally.

thorn cradle
heady pawn
thorn cradle
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That is a bit trickier, as they aren't 1:1 at different levels of training. I wish they were =/

vivid bear
heady pawn
vestal egret
valid crypt
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curious will there be giftboxes this run?

vivid bear
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I think the easiest way to deal with the ranks issue (not a good way, but easiest) is to create some sort of Sylinar-esque NPC that offers to convert from skill ranks --> skill bonus (at 1:1) for free. Then players can make the swap if they want and you don't have to change anything about how how enhancives are generated, or how recharging is priced.

thorn cradle
vivid bear
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Entirely disadvantageous, other than price. Or not-advantageous (equal).

slender scaffold
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level req on ranks is super high, also super niche

vivid bear
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Oh, right. I guess that would be a super niche/fringe benefit from converting ranks --> bonus. But I hardly think it's exploitable in any way.

slender scaffold
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i know the overlap of "excessively enhance on a sub 25 dude that won't cap" is probably pretty small. but, if you really care, you can take some trash ranks enhancives and getr a +50 skill set for that sub-10 grind for basically free lol

vivid bear
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Yeah, agreed - but just so that I understand, you're not claiming that's an advantage in converting ranks --> bonus, right? You're more stating the use case for ranks at all.

slender scaffold
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for me yeah, just pointing out what differences do exist.

after level like 20 there is no reason to ever do ranks and why bonus isn't strictly superior except the weird edge cases like MoC for casters

woven condor
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Ranks have a limited use, but they do have a use. And yeah, the only benefit to bonus vs ranks with skill is charging costs.

rare holly
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The thing with ranks vs skill bonus, is that bonus is not full value until you have 40 ranks in the skill. Most things you want enhansives you'll have that, but I'm sure there are some niche uses out there. I personally would still like to see dropped enhancives switch to only dropping with base stat and skill bonus, but just leave the current stuff alone.

woven condor
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well, there's another benefit. You don't have to do rank to bonus conversion manually when you use inv enh totals 😁

heady pawn
thorn cradle
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It was one of the few things I was unhappy with about the release of INV ENH TOTALS

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I also try to keep in mind that there is a prioritization exercise here, e.g. does this come first in priority, or does gemstones, other quality-of-life improvements, etc.

And maybe it does 🙂 but that prioritization exercise is important, I think.

heady pawn
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I mean I'm fine with it now I just.. gotta know where to look. It's so specific it's a bit clunky?

thorn cradle
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Unfortunately when I looked into that, it was challenging (due to my own past decisions)

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So some time would need to be spent there

heady pawn
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So.... rsn ? 😁

woven condor
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Honestly I'm not sure there's a better way to do it without making the output more difficult to parse. Otherwise I would have put in a request.

heady pawn
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I'm glad the system is in place, that's for sure!

short orbit
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Ranks are more expensive to charge and useful only to lower level characters (which is ironic because of the increased level requirement on them). I think that’s about it. There is a very niche case where a rank of Dodge or EMC or something might be more useful to a high level character who just wants a couple ranks in it, like to send mana or before training dodge on their own

gentle girder
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New hess cert? Convert enhancive ranks to bonus

woven condor
vivid bear
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If it was more than 10 BS, I wouldn't buy it. It really feels like it should be a free thing.

rare holly
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Better to make an npc imo, sylanars code could almost assuredly do it, make it the same price as removing an enhancive from an item.

vivid bear
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Why make it any price at all? Doesn't make sense to me. By in large, the current skill rank/bonus system is bad, given the current state of enhancive usage. Businesses that care about their customers don't sell solutions to problems they themselves have created; they fix the problems. (I say this acknowledging that no GMs, to my knowledge, have proposed a for-pay solution.)

rare holly
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I mean... they could just as well leave it how it is too, it hasn't been much of an issue for many years, I'm fairly sure it still ranks quite far down on what people care about

slender scaffold
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i mean there's certainly value in changing to bonus, so depending on how the system generates enhancives it's potentially a lower tier when it randomizes so converting freely is technically a win. like maybe it's setup to do "a good stat, as ranks, or a terrible stat" (i'm just spit balling clearly we have no idea). But also considering there was a proposal to unify them this way i don't necesarily disagree. Could be a silver conversion thing too maybe to at at least get it out of P2W land. Then you could do a P2W version that's like convert ranks to bonus at 2:1 value or something (i.e. 3 ranks to 6 bonus)

vivid bear
# rare holly I mean... they could just as well leave it how it is too, it hasn't been much of...

Maybe, but some people care about it -- we're having this conversation, after all. I'm not saying how it should be prioritized among competing options either. I'm just saying that a simple 1:1 conversion via an NPC would probably be a pretty decent solution: I imagine there's a lot of overlap with Sylinar's code, it would be optional so players who like ranks for uncommon use cases wouldn't have to change, it wouldn't require changing the charging costs, and it wouldn't require any changes to the treasure generation system.

And, if such a solution were to be implemented, on principle, I don't like the idea of charging to fix a problem that should probably just be fixed.

rare holly
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I think it would be more important to fix the enhansives being generated to only be bonus and base stat imo. But that's proper ancient code where dark and scary horrors lay.

woven condor
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Is the locus eligible for this service?
old enhancive max paper
An old enhancive max paper will grant the ability to increase enhancive MAX CHARGES and CURRENT CHARGES by +50 (up to a max of 500).

thorn cradle
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It is not presently, no

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If there is desire for it, I can run the request up the chain

rare holly
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a big plus to me on these honestly is that it'll be basically charged forever because I'll continuously get 3 upgrades every event most likely

hasty void
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And by the time you finish it, you'll have 5 billion BPs

heady pawn
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It'll be 2038 by then and it won't matter anyway.

vale osprey
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I'll be too busy using my bp's on my other enhancives to have 5 billion!

slim bolt
heady pawn
rain heath
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We need to convert ranks to bonus for skills, bonus to base for stats, and just move on with life.

modern isle
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We must go forward, not backward! Upward, not forward! And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom enhancive consistency!

lost grail
rare holly
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sure? but not enhancives all enhancives have charges

sand thunder
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If we could tweak the armoires to put on/take off the locus that'd be great.

pulsar canopy
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or have armoires have some kinda turn or flip ability to hold different sets in different ways. Like my Cheese Wheel

mild path
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No locusts in the cheese wheel

unique wren
jolly walrus
# rain heath We need to convert ranks to bonus for skills, bonus to base for stats, and just ...

This is the key comment here -- there's no reason for any these to be separated. The complexity of ranks vs. bonus, and base vs. bonus, adds next to nothing to the system, aside from niche cases for skill ranks which are hard to even identify, much less find items for, much less someone actually putting in the effort and silver to do both. And, the differentiation is confusing even for experienced players -- explaining that "stat bonus" and "stat base" contribute to the same pool gets old, and in that case, the complexity adds nothing at all. Everything should just be "bonus" or "base," and items should be convertible for free at an NPC who's dropped in a town somewhere.

vivid bear
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I don't think anyone disagrees that the system should be updated. The question is how to prioritize it, how to do it, etc.

jolly walrus
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I'd love to see things like this -- i.e., fixing current systems that have been problematic for many years, simplifying mechanics, smoothing out the new player experience -- prioritized over making yet another new script. I understand Simu is a company and needs to profit, but I think it's actually sacrificing the longterm health of the game for shortterm profits to allow these things to languor for so long without addressing them.

thorn cradle
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I'd love to see things like this -- i.e., fixing current systems that have been problematic for many years, simplifying mechanics, smoothing out the new player experience

For what it's worth, I completely agree

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We're definitely thinking about and working on that 🙂

jolly walrus
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That's wonderful to hear, Nyxus, thanks for doing that and passing it on here!

jagged vigil
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The flourish system sorta is that though. Being unable to have combat and non combat scripts on items has been a thorn for decades

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It's not fixing every problem, but it was intended to fix a long standing pain point

jolly walrus
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Definitely one that I'm excited about! I need to look more closely at it -- I'm not sure I fully undertsand it yet.

heady pawn
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I don't think I'll ever afford mechanical flourishes (400k BS, right?)

But I do need to learn about the fluff ones which are pretty cheap right?

mild path
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Super cheap!

mild path
jolly walrus
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Might there be more fluff ones released at EG? I favor EG flavor, and I want to add something "permanent" to my bow. Unless I can add more than one, and swap?

Oh, it looks to work like spell preps, where I can have multiple and prioritize them. Neat!

mild path
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I am not personally planning on it but hopefully we've got the ball rolling here

brazen sedge
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yay i can finally have those awesome uac fluff scripts on my gear

thorn cradle
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An issue has been resolved where the locus did not need to be worn in order to provide its enhancive benefit.

cold widget
pliant root
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There was an enhancive proposal to do away with BONUS and convert all stat bonus/skill bonus to base/ranks.

severe scarab
lost grail
inner kernel
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Nyxus, Tivvy said each day the hess is late we get to add another separate skill/state to the locus. So its 4 days late so far.....

modest jay
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Sounds right

tight smelt
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I did some rough mental math on this and am I right in realizing this is a 20 year project piece to complete, if you max it out at every event?
2.5 years(10 events) to put all the possible enhancives on it(20).
1 complete enhance every year add +20 through 4 events.

glass verge
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There’s a lot more than 20 enhancives you can add

tight smelt
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You can only put 20 properties on it. And each property can only go to 20.
At each of Duskruin, Ebon Gate, and Rumor Woods, a locus can receive 2 new properties (up to 20 properties total) and properties can be boosted 5 times (up to +20 per property). The cost is scaling per event run, and resets before each new event run. The locus is account attuned to the character who received it, and cannot be transferred or re-attuned.

glass verge
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Ah forgot about that part

jolly walrus
vestal egret
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20 sounds right, 30 if you skip the more pricey last 2 adds each event.
It wouldn't surprise me if, in the future, we see some way to accelerate that build. In the upstairs HESS or something.

lost grail
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Heh, 18 years and 7m BS.

modest jay
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Adjusted for inflation that’s like 2000 bs!

jolly walrus
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7,215,000 bloodscrip (about 7-8 billion silver) and 20 years on the dot, yup. actually, compared to the cost of other things, a +400 enhancive for 7-8b is not a bad deal (ignoring the value of the silver growth over that time, anyway).

bright crescent
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Are there any things from 2004 that people are just finishing up now ( manual forging 😅)?

thorn cradle
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To be fair, this was designed to be something that isn’t supposed to be completed 🙂

grim kestrel
glass verge
jolly walrus
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Is there anything I can add/adjust on my calculator sheet that people would find helpful?

vale osprey
jolly walrus
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now that's my kinda math!

vestal egret
zenith galleon
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Yeah, that's what they thought about RoL brooches too...

modest jay
jagged vigil
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Yes.. please... complete it as quickly as possible. That'll show us... /deadpan

hasty void
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Don't shame Nyxus for having faith in humanity. It's not his fault we're degenerates

thorn cradle
vestal egret
sweet vector
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I can't wait to say "I told you so" in 30 years.... he will look like such a fool! 👴 🩼

woven condor
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Just gotta wait until Super Duper HESS mode that lets you transfer enhancives to it for a wheelbarrow-load of BS

short orbit
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That would be good, but I’d prefer the enhancive combiner come back. Apparently it was a headache though.

zenith galleon
topaz pollen
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that's a "challenge accepted" line if I've ever heard one

vestal egret
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Well, there's probably only a handful of people that have maximized more than a handful outside of shattered.

zenith galleon
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Sure, but, you see, they set themselves up with two words that are doing way, way too much work: "no" and "ever." 😄

vale osprey
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To be fair, at that point they probably were thinking ascension+ wasn't far off

vestal egret
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Yeah, I wish they hadn't "given up" on expanding ASC. (which is how it feels)

zenith galleon
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Yeah, I definitely wouldn't be finishing Common stuff if even just Elite skills were available. And then I wouldn't finish any of the Elite ones either because I'd keep shifting priorities to maximize value.

vestal egret
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For sure. And even with only the common available, maximizing anything aside from 1 or 2 class specific asc skills/stats isn't really the best use of points.

glass verge
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I kind of wish they would take the sorcerer spell review approach with elite ascension although that might open a can of worms. Surely there is 1 thing ready for each profession

Or even a generic thing that every profession might utilize.

sand nimbus
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they already have been taking the sorc spell review approach (i.e. being nonexistent for years) :p

sand nimbus
vestal egret
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Well, except you'd be getting 20 charges a year, and using 12 a year, so you'd have 12 extra years of charges before that mattered.

sand nimbus
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true. but after that you're screwed! (plus likely dead of old age)

lost grail
short orbit
lost grail
river lily
lost grail
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Oh, I wouldn't expect an official response, I was just idly curious about roughly how long RoL went before it was yeeted into the shadow realm. I am not at all salty about any long term plans I had for my brooch suddenly having it's foundations transmuted into sand.

sharp elbow
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Keep in mind RoL is almost exclusively about the brooch (aside from lots of nice fluff offerings). This locus is just one of many, many mechanical festival offerings now, so it may keep its longevity.

Also, I think people went really, really hard into their brooches. They’ve gotten most of what they want out of them.

glass verge
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Well, the locus resets in cost at least. The brooch just gets deeper in the hole

river lily
lost grail
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You never know when things will pop out of the shadow realm, so you can never properly plan for it.

short orbit
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There’s a creepy little doll somewhere yelling “Dollhouse Forever!” and running around with a kobold leg in its hands.

quiet siren
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i wanna live in that world

glass verge
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Flare affinity doesn't affect lore flares right or did Nyxus make it so like Picard? And if it does is it only on the elemental lore flares or telepathy, summoning, and necromancy too?

hasty void
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It does not. It only affects ability slot and bane flares

glass verge
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K, thanks

sand nimbus
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a gilded locus (charged until 9/21/2024 12:46:12 CDT) why is this in CDT?

short orbit
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Texas oil

mild path
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St Louis is central time

boreal kettle
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fyi: I have an assist open, but REDEEM isn't doing anything for my a greater dispel boost writ (yes I whispered it, and did the register on my somnis plate for it).

hasty void
brazen sedge
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a friend and I were chatting, and she came up with the thought - what if we could get a way to charge the locus via OSA or reim?

grim kestrel
vivid bear
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A reim tie-in would also encourage premium subscriptions because of the daily entry.

glass verge
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Complete reim, touch the orb at the end, gain 1 charge to locus.

brazen sedge
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on average how long does 1 charge last?

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If running reim daily takes up all the time I'd have for a charge each day..I doubt I'd be enthused about 1 charge per run. At that point I'd rather be able to spend scrip to charge

vestal egret
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I guess it depends on if you mean the one month "oil" charge, or a standard enhancive charge in terms of the benefit.

brazen sedge
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i highly doubt the powers that be would be interested in giving a 1 month charge for a single reim run, heh. I'd be stoked! But I'm sure they would not 😛

vestal egret
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Same. Typical enhancive charges last anywhere from 30 minutes to a day, based on testing I've seen, but it's RNG.

pulsar canopy
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what are you using to track that? I would love to see breakouts on some of my flares

woven condor
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If I'm making a mana focused locus what would be better?
(+magic, max mana) with mana regen or harness power

toxic holly
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max mana has a higher cap

brazen sedge
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dumb question - but the price increase for adding stuff to the locus is applied to the locus, not the person boosting right? 🙂 I can boost my rogues locus with my wizard's bloodscrip?

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Note - the rogues locus would be the second locus my wizard would be boosting

hasty void
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I don’t know the answer, but why not just give the scrip to your rogue?

brazen sedge
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I mean I could..but I already had the locus in the family vault

thorn cradle
quick solstice
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just catching up on these. can you help me understand why this would be worse for sorcerer CS than say cleric or wizard? Curious what gap in knowledge im missing.

vestal egret
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Sorcerer CS is 2 stats.

neat lance
quick solstice
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ahh, ok, so similar with why some katar users have switched to daggers. you need brawling and edged enhancives to get the same as someone else who would need just one.

native fossil
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So ideas on the Locus for a Wizzy in SoS. Needs SMR def more than anything. Capped at like 19m exp

quiet siren
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HP and mana maybe? thats the only place I hunt with any regularity and between 909 and 410, I think there is enough CC to keep things calm. Just the need the sustain and margin of error. time stop to get out of jams.

native fossil
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HP may be good...Booger Gnome so not many HPs

vestal egret
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SMR, so add dodge and Perception/CM/PF to it. Unless you don't have 40 ranks in those, then don't.

native fossil
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Ya was wondering about CM , what base stats to have before adding anything as a Enhancement

vestal egret
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If you're adding skills, you should have 40 ranks before you add to the locus, because the locus is bonus not ranks. After 40 ranks, bonus ranks are 1:1

native fossil
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Gotcha

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Per/PF maxed so good. Just pushed CM to 40. No Dodge so I'll need to work on that
So 3 are set to Add

rain heath
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could we get something like this at some point to account for our poor choices

ask traveler to swap 369 to 248

sweet vector
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I assume you could swap it at EG Spire? maybe, maybe not.

pliant root
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Pretty sure they said it will be blocked at Sylinar. Because they don't want double dipping.

sweet vector
vale osprey
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It was said he would like to make a way to allow them to be swapped, but not currently a thing.

sweet vector
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I mean how bad could it be....
Recall locus
It is an enhancive item:
It provides a boost of 7 to Climbing Ranks.
This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 37 times.
It provides a boost of 5 to Trading Bonus.
This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 18 times.

vale osprey
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Must be huntin the hive

brazen sedge
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Question for you Nyxus - Do the 1 month charges carry over events? If I get 2 boosts at this DR, giving me 2 months of charge, then I get more at Ebon..does that stack, or is the remainder of the first set of charges just cut off?

glass verge
rain heath
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it was mentioned previously it stacks regardless of how you charge it, oil or boosting

thorn cradle
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Yep. It stacks across events

covert pelican
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Just checking .. initial announcement mentioned the locus were account tuned: "A player can have more than one locus, but only one locus can be used at a time, and loci are account attuned." On wiki says character attuned. - Are these character attuned?

tight junco
covert pelican
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Interesting: Per wiki, "The gilded locus is debuted during the August 2024 Duskruin run. Obtaining, adding properties to, and boosting existing properties of a gilded locus is all done via automated NPC at any of the three major pay events, Duskruin, Ebon Gate, and Rumor Woods. The locus is account attuned to the character who received it, and it cannot be transferred or re-attuned."

tight junco
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... account attuned to the character who received it.
So to that character's account

covert pelican
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gotcha. Thank you

jagged vigil
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They were initially announced as character attuned, but a couple days in it got changed (before release)

vivid bear
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IMO the wording from the traveler makes it seem like they're going to be character attuned. The monsterbold explanations make it clear they're account attuned though.

zenith galleon
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I know the Ebon Gate request form closed a while back, but the gilded locus didn't exist when it closed, so...

How about Ebon Gate raffles to boost an enhancive on a locus? 😄

sharp elbow
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Would love to see some extra ways to get more power on these through raffles, premium merchants, whatever

flat vessel
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Dear Duskruin Management,

Could you consider asking the Half Elven Traveler that you have to concentrate on asking the exact right thing for oooooodles of bloodscrip to a less traveled and noisy place, please?

L&K,
me

thorn cradle
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That is on me, sorry! I wanted her to be discoverable

flat vessel
thorn cradle
short orbit
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With signposts? It is hard to find things. Make her an urchin guide location maybe?

grim kestrel
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Could probably leave them where they're at, and just put them in a tent. "a golden tent embroidered with an ornate locus" or something.
Still easy to find, also quiet for those working with them.

rigid sun
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Question on the locus... someone might've already answered this, or maybe I'm the only one who wasn't sure.

Is it only the FIRST TWO skills that are added that get +5, and then additional boosts are +1?
or
Will EACH skill we add (two per event) start with +5, and every boost is +1?

thorn cradle
rigid sun
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😿
Thanks for clarifying! Small part of me was hoping each skill added would start at +5.

grim kestrel
spark moon
thorn cradle
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That would be nice! But it would put it at a steal compared to other pay event enhancive costs. Rather than merely comparing very favorably 🙂

rigid sun
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Just an idea.... Mr. Nyxus....

What if each skill add DID start at +5, but the locus was capped at 8 unique skills or stats.

IF that was an option. After 9 Years (assuming 4 events per year) here would be some sample results.

If someone Added 2 sklls the first 4 events, and did +1 boosts two skills those events and every event after that. They would end with:

A locus that has +40 to two stats, and +5 to 6 other stats.
Edit: I didn't include that it would have the max health/stamina/mana boost as well, which would be +65 by this point.

This would have cost them **645k **in event currency over 10 years - pretty solid recurring revenue to really only have a 2 max stat enhancive with a bunch of little "helper" stats at +5!

attempting to push a 3rd stat to +40 during that same window, based on current scaling would cost an **additional ~525k! **
Edit: I know I over simplified and did the 15k for 3rd boost x 35 events. It'll be off by one event based on not being able to add it during the 1st event

Adding a 4th stat to the mix would cost another additional ~875k BS!
Edit: Same oversimplification here

I think your scaling on pricing is already creating a pretty solid barrier to anyone who's not going to be in it for at least 10 years maxing one or two stats.

Just food for thought! That is all.... 😬

Someone please double check my math - long day, I could've screwed up my spreadsheet. I do think im' off by one or two upgrades.

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Just spitballing an idea/planting a seed, don't feel obligated to respond 🙂
I also acknowledge this was a wall of words and not a great way to show it. Would probably be much better in a graph. Might ask Chat GPT to whip that up later.

pliant root
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They don't care about your measly 645k. They want the millions that the big boys will pay.

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90k per +5
40 max / 5 = 8 * 90k per stat = 720kbs per stat
720kbs * 20 stats = 14,400,000 bs

modest jay
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It caps at 20 per skill. So half that

thorn cradle
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They don't care about your measly 645k

Not so!

pulsar canopy
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They want all the monies!

zenith galleon
# 
Just an idea.... Mr. Nyxus....

What if each skill add DID start at +5, but the locus was capped at 8 unique skills or stats.```
Without having read the rest yet, you'd need an incredible sales pitch to get past the idea of reducing its maximum pay event currency potential by at least 120k via starting skills 3-8 at 5 each, then reducing it by at least another 1.2m by cutting off skills 9-20 even existing (minimum 60k to add them), never mind upgrading them (minimum 1.14m to max them all).

I think it's plausible to make such a sales pitch, but I wonder if you will... So it's time to read on!
```[various math]

I think your scaling on pricing is already creating a pretty solid barrier to anyone who's not going to be in it for at least 10 years maxing one or two stats.```
Okay, so the crux of your argument boils down to possible greater mass appeal for short term gains at the expense of possible lesser long term gains. It's a peculiar angle to me, though. Your math is talking about a demographic of people who simultaneously consider the current pricing too high, *but*, if each skill started at +5, would then feel incentivized to spend to add two skills per event ASAP and two boosts per event for a decade.

While I'm almost sure there are a non-zero amount of players in that category, I'm also almost sure there are a non-zero amount of other players who consider the current pricing too high *and therefore*, even if each skill started at +5, *would still* only add one skill per event and boost them once per event (or even, potentially, never boost them).

(And, of course, there are players in between or outside of those groups.)

If I were going to try to make the best possible case for your idea... then I think it couldn't be done right now at all, but it potentially could be done by next year's second Duskruin **if** it turns out that a large percentage of locus buyers have stopped at exactly two skills.
sweet vector
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it is what it is, casuals will take the free slot 5/5 item and feel INCLUDED with the big boys even though the big boys will have maxed it out every event..... win win in terms of GS event-sold enhancives

glass verge
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Everyone can benefit from +mana, +stamina, or +health. Pick your poison.

Do a basic locus with +stamina and +stamina.
Upgrade it +1 at every pay event for 5k currency which you can purchase with silver.

Slow method but eventually you have a substantial boost. I see every argument to further lower costs as someone trying to push for their optimal use case rather than a benefit to everyone.

vestal egret
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There's no point to add any more skills until the current 2 are capped in my mind, if it's +1. I'm never going to "get ahead" of the need to raise them, so there's no need to add them in advance. If it was +2/3 I'd consider spending to add more skills, in advance.

neat lance
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Suppose they could sell slot boosts where any additional adds would be +5, but at a scaling cost. Could possibility augment existing tiered boosts with appropriate cost. Same cost just faster growth.

glass verge
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The benefit to adding a boost each pay event is because it's 1/5 of the cost to add 1 boost versus 2. Everyone should have an idea of what boosts they need to add or finish up. If I need cman, blunt, blessing, wisdom, and health. I'm going to add those one at a time at each event to save money and then stop adding boosts. If you wait you're either putting it off for the sake of putting it off and potentially getting stuck paying more for 2 boosts because fomo.

If you really want to add 20 boosts to this thing that's a lot of time and some money or half the time and a lot more money.

sweet vector
#

What would be epicly cool would be if someone made one +20 all stats locus for their account and just quick swapped it onto every main/alt they played on that single account

vestal egret
glass verge
#

+1 is always important. Why are you even using enhancives or ascension?

vestal egret
#

+1 is important in that it eventually becomes more than +1. If it's stuck at +1 until the next event, there's no reason to add it now, I can just add it next event.

glass verge
#

Unless you want to add something else, and something after that, and something after that

sweet vector
#

adding another +1 is cheaper than the last boost price of 35k

glass verge
#

We'll keep going in circles forever because we simply see things differently which is why the locus is at a good place because so many players see a different use case at this point

hasty void
#

Because of the per event limits and cost scaling, it makes sense to me to always at least do the minimum of +1 ADD, +1 BOOST

glass verge
# 
              Combat Maneuvers Bonus: 46/50
                 Blunt Weapons Bonus: 48/50
          Elemental Lore - Air Bonus: 14/50
    Spiritual Lore - Summoning Bonus:  8/50
       Mental Lore - Telepathy Bonus: 10/50
  Mental Lore - Transformation Bonus:  3/50```

The plus 1s matter to me.  I'm sure there's quite a few folks where they just need a bunch of small numbers for their OCD.
vestal egret
#

Maybe I'm not understanding something.

I add 2 things. +5/+5.
I raise one of them +5/+10.
Unless I'm content with +5/+10, at the next event I'm raising that to 10/10. Adding another Thing here to raise later, is just spending money I don't' have to.
There will never be a time where I need to add 2 things in an event ever again. (To be fair, I didn't need to the first time either, but for +5, sure I will). I will always have a locus thing to raise. If 4 events from now, I get to 20/20 on the locus, I can add 1 thing at that time.

Adding something every event only matters when 1 point matters.

hasty void
#

10k currency for +3 total enhancives, vs 15k (2 boosts)

glass verge
#

If you don't have a bunch of properties to add it might only take you 2 or 3 events to get 3 properties but if you want 20 properties that 5 years roughly to do it at the cheapest cost.

rigid sun
#

Yeah… at the current rate, i could see a lot of people going:
+1 skill added per event
+2 boosts per event
20k total
(At least that’s my most likely spend, based on the scaling).

80k a year

sweet vector
#

I'm going to be a miser and do +1/+1 for 40k per year

zenith galleon
sweet vector
#

Really depends on how you guys do enhancives, yah 2 +10 stats locus is easier to fit but 10 +2 stat is still a total of 20! its a puzzle, go crazy

glass verge
#

Lot of folks figured out how to get perfect 100s (in their head) with ascension, the locus can stretch those a little further by a point or two pretty easy.
Just another use case which someone will probably do.

vestal egret
#

I'm glad you said "in their head" so I don't have to refute that...lol

glass verge
#

Human empath, this 83 haunts me
I can live with 85

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rare holly
#

I'm gonna have like +8 +7 +8 +12 or such for my first 4 as I'm filling in to max out or replace some other enhancives

rigid sun
zenith galleon
rigid sun
#

Now I’m just going with the flow of conversation. Not arguing for or against my initial post.

My initial post was just spitballing an idea. Would i like it? Absolutely. But it’s Not “a position that I’m actively trying defend

zenith galleon
#

Unless I've missed something, this isn't the case for adding a new one, only boosting an existing one.

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(Which is another reason I'm curious how many people will be like Ufian and stop at two enhancives.)

glass verge
#

I was wrong, misrememberd.

rare holly
#

Getting the month boost for adding as well as boosts, maybe we talking

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I'll be in the 2 or 3 boosts and occasional add each event for a long time I imagine, there's not huge incentive to add each time because a bunch of +1s will drive me crazy

zenith galleon
heady pawn
#

what if new adds started at +2?! would you add each time then Vaemyr?

glass verge
#

No because someone would need a plus one only for OCD and a plus 2 would mean they need to buy another +1 or they would forever be stuck with an odd number.

grim kestrel
#

I like the locus, and will do my first two new to gain the +5 for each, then do minimal boosts each event. That feels like a good investment. The rest feels like it's not; unless you are already investing huge sums into enhancives. I think the equation is less relevant to most players because there are just better options. It's much more cost effective to mill around and find a better enhancive (and/or drop 25k to transmute it if needed). However, if you're already capping out all your slots with super high-end enhancives, odds are pricepoint would seem to be less relevant anyway becuase your investing into crossing a threshold of slot limitations.

sweet vector
#

I wonder if +1 to 20 stats drains hella quick with 20 different lines... I am going for broke and +1 new line item every event
My locus recall will take up the whole screen

vale osprey
#

!RemindMe 5 years

gentle girder
#

RecallStone

rain heath
#

any chance of stat swapping on locus being live at EG? I kinda screwed up a little with what I picked.

thorn cradle
vestal egret
#

Swapping on it would actually be a good thing since they are account bound now and not character.

past yarrow
#

I'd like to change mine too, would be nice to be able to reconfigure it

pulsar canopy
#

Do we make suggestions for the next DR here?

mild path
#

For the locus?

pulsar canopy
#

No for something else.

vestal egret
#

No, this is the locus forum. They usually open a google form for overall DR suggestions a few weeks after DR closes.

pulsar canopy
#

My phone is cutting off half the title sorry

rare holly
#

they will put up a google form for requests/suggestions at some point, that'll be the best place to make suggestions because they'll be guarunteed to be read/seen

thorn cradle
# 
>ask trav about swap
The half-elf traveler says, "Yes, I can swap one of your locus's properties for a different one."

The half-elf traveler shows you a piece of parchment:
----   ------------
100   Max Mana
102   Max Health
103   Max Stamina
104   Mana Recovery
106   Health Recovery
107   Stamina Recovery
----   ------------
200   Strength Base
201   Constitution Base
202   Dexterity Base
etc   etc
----   ------------
500   Two Weapon Combat Bonus
501   Armor Use Bonus
502   Shield Use Bonus
etc   etc
----   ------------

The half-elf traveler says, "Simply ASK me about SWAP with the specific details of what you'd like."

[OOC Instructions:]
 ASK traveler ABOUT SWAP PROPERTY <property> TO ENHANCIVE <enhancive>
 
 The locus has the following property numbers to choose from:
 - 1: Max Stamina
 - 2: Two Weapon Combat Bonus
 - 3: Strength Base

 Example: "ASK traveler ABOUT SWAP PROPERTY 1 TO ENHANCIVE 100" to swap Max Stamina to Max Mana.
 Example: "ASK traveler ABOUT SWAP PROPERTY 2 TO ENHANCIVE 200" to swap Two Weapon Combat Bonus to Strength Base.

Is this output clear?

short orbit
past yarrow
#

That looks clear to me

thorn cradle
#

ASK traveler ABOUT SWAP PROPERTY 1 TO ENHANCIVE 100

Maybe dropping PROPERTY and ENHANCIVE is better

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i.e. ASK traveler ABOUT SWAP 1 TO 100

# 
[OOC Instructions:]
 ASK traveler ABOUT SWAP <property> TO <enhancive>
 
 The locus has the following property numbers to choose from:
 - 1: Max Stamina
 - 2: Two Weapon Combat Bonus
 - 3: Strength Base

 Example: "ASK traveler ABOUT SWAP 1 TO 100" to swap Max Stamina to Max Mana.
 Example: "ASK traveler ABOUT SWAP 2 TO 200" to swap Two Weapon Combat Bonus to Strength Base.
vestal egret
#

I'd either drop it or use SWAP OLD # to NEW #

teal walrus
#

Keeping it consistent with Sylinar is probably good.

#

This is a really neat addition!

vestal egret
#

For sure, if Sylinar has a set of language consistency is better.

short orbit
#

Sylinar doesn’t use the property numbers, just a simpler “if this exists.” I think. Enhancive to enhancive. So this is good

#

Makes sense if you need to say which line number (Property) it’s on first

slender scaffold
#

Is it limited to the same swap categories as sylinar?

vestal egret
#

Aren't all things the same "value" on the locus?

slender scaffold
#

Well you could swap your free max stat one to a real stat potentially if not 🙂

short orbit
#

I assume Line 1 is limited to max stamina, mana, health?

vestal egret
bright crescent
#

I assume there will be a cost associated with swapping? (not that I would expect it to be free)

vale osprey
#

You know what they say when you assume. 🦆

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thorn cradle
thorn cradle
rigid sun
bright crescent
#

totally reasonable, this'll make many folks happy ❤️

vestal egret
thorn cradle
#

Just 5k

#

I can't immediately think of any reason to have limits

vestal egret
#

Either could I, but sometimes QC gonna QC.🤣

short orbit
#

This will be nice

rare holly
#

this is excelent, makes locus even better of a long term investment knowing you can always swap stuff

teal walrus
short orbit
#

No duplicate enhancives allowed even with swapping, right?

teal walrus
#

Hehe

#

I take that back... give Fulmen 2 minutes with it.

thorn cradle
#

Except that you can double up on the max (which is already true)

vestal egret
#

Oh, yeah. So maybe the display should somehow indicate that item 1 is the "inherent" property, incase someone has both. I could see someone changing the wrong one.

short orbit
#

Put an [Inherent Property] or some tag on that line maybe. [Limited to Max Stamina, Health, or Mana]. Maybe something else that fits it better

#

Or make it Line 0, with a separate —— break below it

sharp elbow
#

Swapping is super cool. Definitely prevents buyers’ remorse if you change training, enhancive sets, etc.

granite terrace
#

I already have buyers remorse because after putting dex on my locus I got a few new enhancive items with the faenor nuggets and now i don't need the dex. Great update, thanks Nyxus!

woven condor
#

Great update Nyxus!

thorn cradle
#

Thanks! Just to manage expectations, swaps are in QC but are unlikely to be out at the beginning of EG.

mental talon
#

::Big Cry Face::

I got so busy trying to put on an event in Zul Logoth this happened:

get gold scroll
You remove a golden scroll inscribed with five conjoined circles from in your loot bag.
red scroll
The golden scroll has expired and cannot be redeemed. The scroll fades away into thin air.

I didn't want to burn it up while I was spending hours in the forge and forgot to redeem it... sigh

woven condor
#

didn't know we were going to be able to swap. nice!

sweet vector
topaz pollen
#

would be a lot nicer if those scrolls just auto activated on the last day rather than go to waste

vestal egret
#

Except items don't exist if you aren't in game, so you'd have to actually be playing at the exact time it expired.

topaz pollen
#

then just activate it the next time the character logs in and subtract from the expiration date

vestal egret
#

Sounds like a lot of back end coding to get around people not paying attention.

topaz pollen
#

sounds like you wouldn't make for a very player friendly developer

vale osprey
#

Sounds like they didn't want people to double dip the scrolls.

vestal egret
#

Probably not. I expect people to have consequences for thier action/inaction.

topaz pollen
#

I mean double dipping can just be coded against, pretty sure you just cant activate 2 of those xp boots at all even right now

vale osprey
#

You can't. So how did you get through the whole event and not use your scroll? Seems like player failure. 🤷

vestal egret
#

They forgot about it.

topaz pollen
#

of course it was player failure. All I'm saying is it's possible to code systems to make player failure less likely

vestal egret
#

It's possible to code almost anything. It's also possible to expect that something clearly stating as expiring on a certian time/date, should in fact do so.

vale osprey
#

They should probably make Hess certs auto redeem too before expiring!

topaz pollen
#

or... it could instead state that it will auto activate on the last date, instead of expiring

vestal egret
#

I'm just going to stop here, as now we're in a discussion about personal responsibility, and it's just going to get ugly soon.

vale osprey
#

The game is full of things that cause you to "lose" stuff if you don't pay attention. They should make my brooch auto rub before midnight too. I spent a lot of money to get that brooch.

topaz pollen
#

jesus, it's a game. I didn't realize it was trying to teach us about "personal responsibility" through expiring xp certs

vale osprey
#

It's a business. (Not saying I agree with it)

topaz pollen
#

not sure what it being a business has to do with that decision. All it does is make people feel bad that forgot to activate it. Is it good business to make people feel bad?

hasty void
#

I would prefer they not expire so that I can use them effectively across alts

vale osprey
#

I too would like to have +50% exp when I want it.

vestal egret
#

Maybe move this discussion to a new forum, as it's not about the locus at all.

hasty void
vale osprey
#

Where did I say it was a problem? I Literally said I too would like to purchase +50% exp whenever I want it.

vestal egret
vale osprey
#

It wasn't. But it doesn't change my understanding of why they expire.

rigid sun
vale osprey
#

That would be too good. I already subscribe to platinum for the extra points

rigid sun
#

(kidding aside.... that concept is a pretty common model for a lot of micro transaction games, where things reset on a seasonal basis)

sweet vector
#

I still think premium having a battle pass would be cool, kill 1,000 like-level mobs during the month get small reward, kill 10,000 get decent reward, kill 50,000 get pretty nice reward etc.... maybe shifting by creature type or location. Maybe less of a battle pass and more of a monthly "challenge competition"

slender scaffold
#

we have that now with loot cap.
kill 100 get some reward
kill 10000 get more reward!
kill 40,000 more get no reward!

sweet vector
#

"first player to kill 100,000 kobolds in October gets a SK 509 item" LOL

slender scaffold
#

Showing up to the kobold village like anakin at the jedi temple

mental talon
# vale osprey You can't. So how did you get through the whole event and not use your scroll? S...

I was saving my grit which maxed out to hand out free services during an event in zul logoth that i hosted on the 18th. I had meant to redeem the scroll to fill my grit back up. Unfortunately I was so focused on trying to get a load of perfect parts together (probably spent about 80 real world hours in the forge) I managed 3 perfect weapons of 13 combines two of which have new homes a veil iron warsword which was a pretty nice make among those.

I don't really understand the need for the scrolls to expire but my guess would be it is because they cost real money so sort of like why gift cards expire.

vale osprey
#

If they didn't expire, it would allow people to buy 12 of them and keep it going all year, which they apparently don't want to happen for some reason.

Maybe they could change it up to a "charge" system, that allows you one "charge" per event to use a scroll. Charges not expiring. Wouldn't matter when you use it then.

mental talon
#

I thought battle backs were limited to one per event in that case i spose it makes sense

sweet vector
#

If they offered the 50% experience scrolls for all months of the year I feel that blows the RoL brooches out of the water.

woven condor
sweet vector
#

Its definitely a pandoras box. If they open it and cannot close it. (I would bet that it does boost currency sales)

#

Give me the normal battle vault with the 50% scroll and then give me the Gamblestone IV vault that has a randomized scroll (RNG beteen 1% and 150% experience boost)

vestal egret
sweet vector
#

I did spend only 15 minutes playing yesterday for ~8K experience absorbed, brooch is definitely convenient in that regard.

rain heath
#

ASK traveler ABOUT SWAP 1 TO 100

Looks like I'm late for this discussion but yes this syntax is cleaner.

ashen yoke
#

The locus will receive one month of enhancive charging. ...
this is one month in calendar time even if you are not currently accepting the benefit of any enhancive items in your inventory.?
I just realized this when I checked my enhancives... enhancive pause doesn't pause the "one month of enhancive charging"
a gilded locus (charged until 10/3/2024 19:17:36 CDT)
I basically just wasted the majority of my one month. Don't be me.

vestal egret
#

Simu potions work the same way as far as I know on enhanchives. Anything that gives you until X date, that date is fixed.

hasty void
#

The potions are themselves effectively a timed pause.

short orbit
#

Thandiwe doesn’t know, so I figured I’d ask over here if there will be a month charge oil for the locus in the EG Reunion Vault

molten glacier
#

That's not what I said.

#

What I said was "I don't know anything about an oil" the list I provided IS what is in the vault.

short orbit
#

Why do I feel like this is an argument instead of a simple question and answer?

molten glacier
#

I'm not trying to argue with you, Fulmen. I just was clarifying because I felt mis-quoted.

#

I've been informed that the being off the list was an accident.

#

I've updated the posting to reflect it.

vestal egret
#

Oh, nice, oil ftw. Thanks.

short orbit
heady pawn
#

Is that the "lotus oil"? Is it a typo or something different?

mild path
#

It's lotus scented

#

Just roleplay that part

vivid bear
jagged vigil
#

I tried to sneak it in as locust oil but no dice

mild path
#

You can roleplay that too

#

Locus oil is made from locusts and smells like lotus

#

VOI: 5 0

tight junco
#

You had me at lotus. Locusts ... not so much

jagged vigil
#

A swarm of voracious lotii?

mild path
#

Oh wait, Rohese can't use it is it's locusts can she. We can do the opposite where it is made of lotus and smells like locusts

heady pawn
#

Can you please show me this locust oil extraction process?
Is it a press? Or more of a low boil and extraction process?

And when do the essential oils get added?

jagged vigil
#

Pretty sure the oils were pretty essential to the locust

mild path
#

It takes a couple months for it to regenerate

tight junco
#

New alchemy recipe RSN!

#

Actually, joking aside for a moment: what are the chances of locus oil becoming an alchemy recipe in the future?

#

Locusts can be found in the bug system, if that motivates someone with a touch of humour to create it 😄

neat lance
#

How about locus oil is a rare drop from golems?

rain heath
#

we find the locus npc yet?

molten glacier
#

He is with Sylinaar at the Gardens of Antiquarian Manse

rain heath
#

hmm I don't actually see him anywhere

vernal basalt
#

west of the sylinar guy. at least it's there in plat

rain heath
#

oh yeah he's there

molten glacier
#

🙂

past yarrow
#

Was the Locus ever updated to be armoire-compatible?

thorn cradle
#

Oh that’s a good question

#

Has anyone tested if it works with the armoire?

past yarrow
# 
You remove a small veniom-bound armoire from in your umbral shroud.
>point armoire at my locus
A gilded locus resists the armoire's magic.```
#

Armoire might not know locus slot exists I guess

thorn cradle
#

Got it. Let me take a peek at that

#

Thank you for reminding me

past yarrow
#

I was definitely not nervous about my armoire exploding and eating all of my gear when I did that experiment

tight smelt
#

Just used swap with the traveler and locus without any issues. Nice. Thanks Nyxus.

past yarrow
#

Yeah I used SWAP earlier too. Went very smoothly!

lapis dirge
#

are there any limitations on swap? or is it just swap any property for any one other?

thorn cradle
#

No doubling up of properties

#

(other than the existing ability to double up on whatever max resource you choose)

#

And the first property must remain max resource

vale osprey
#

😁

rain heath
#

are maxed properties still capped at 20 or you can go to resource limit on those?

thorn cradle
#

The first property is uncapped

#

The remainder are still capped at 20

thorn cradle
#

Now compatible with armoires! #event-announcements message

#

@past yarrow FYI ^

past yarrow
#

Thank you! Will get mine armoire’d up when I next log in

vivid bear
#

Thank you!

#

Also you should consider editing this post so it starts with something like Locus and not every event 🙃

thorn cradle
#

A Gilded Locus [Duskruin / Rumor Woods / Ebon Gate]

#

A Gilded Locus Super Enhancive [Duskruin / Rumor Woods / Ebon Gate]

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A Gilded Locus [Super Enhancive - Duskruin / Rumor Woods / Ebon Gate]

mild path
bright crescent
#

If I max out STR CON DEX and AGI on my locus, can I have it altered to "a locus of martial omnipotence"? 😎

short orbit
#

14 events or so for that. Seems fair

vestal egret
#

Wouldn't it really need all the weapon skills maxed to be "of omnipotence"

zenith galleon
#

Would also need to actually max them out and not this +20 stuff the locus does!

covert pelican
#

Where is the NPC for locus upgrades in EG?

severe scarab
#

west of sylinaar

#

[Quinton Manse, Garden Fountain - 34822] (u8084689)
(this should probably be on the wiki)

covert pelican
#

Thanks, FYI - go2 locus also works.. just learned

thorn cradle
#

I will be offering a small number of free unlocks to the locus at EG. An EG service pass is required.

#

This will happen in platinum first. Are there any platinum folks here who are interested in this service? It will be distributed via spinner

vernal basalt
#

jumps up and down waving both hands

thorn cradle
#

I’m thinking tomorrow (Friday) evening

vivid bear
#

Awesome idea.

thorn cradle
#

Discusssing plat timing here - #platinum message

vernal basalt
#

Yep! Just caught up!

thorn cradle
#

Note that this would not stack on top of the max number of unlocks for the locus per event

#

But it would be free

vernal basalt
#

I put upgrading on hold until I knew what my soul shards situation would be after shopping.

vivid bear
#

If this is my first unlock, does my second one cost the minimum amount? Or the second step amount?

thorn cradle
#

Good question. It would be the second step amount, so you'd probably want to upgrade first and then get your free upgrades (I don't mind waiting for you to do so if you want to wait and see if you get spun)

vernal basalt
#

Hmm. Good point!

modest jay
#

oh nice

brazen sedge
thorn cradle
short orbit
#

Sounds fun. I wasn’t planning on the second add or the fifth +1 this time, so I have those free.

zenith galleon
#

What does "unlocks" in this context mean?
Edit: ...I asked, then noticed I was scrolled way up...

thorn cradle
#

It’ll be at 8PM tomorrow for platinum, and 9:30PM tomorrow for prime. This is also on the calendar

bright crescent
#

to cover alllll the bases -- so if this essentially is a "next upgrade paid for", does that also mean we would get a month of charge 👉 👈? Can it be either a boost or an add? all questions, hopes, and prayers have been answered

thorn cradle
#

Old Man Skellino will be acting on behalf of the half-elven traveler and will be spinning for the following services on a gilded locus:

  • 5 customers will receive +1 to an existing property
  • 2 customers will receive +3 to an existing property
  • 1 customer will receive a new property at +5
    You must have an existing locus and an Ebon Gate service pass to receive these services. These services will be applied for free if you are spun. These services will not extend the enhancive duration of your locus. These services cannot exceed the normal per-event caps.
bright crescent
#

dang stop going above and beyond youre making everyone else look bad 😅

vale osprey
#

oh wow

rigid sun
#

🤯

severe scarab
#

Hmm edit: boo timer edit 2: this means we should get the two speedup properties done before this right

modest jay
tight prairie
#

It's pushed back, first off.

short orbit
#

He's an Italian mafia "fixer" who works on loci instead of making handcrafted leather shoes. He has a cigar in one side of his mouth, a tool belt with some oddly sharp implements, and a glass of sambuca in one hand with three coffee beans. He's shrouded in a haze of leather oil and coffee, and if you argue with him, you realize that he stopped listening three sentences ago.
His skin is so tightly stretched across his bones, it's hard to tell if he's alive or a skeleton. Either way, no one in Naidem dares to ask him. His hands are harder than steel. He bends horseshoes with them when he's bored and can occasionally be seen driving nails into a coffin lid with his thumb.
He seems friendly.

jagged vigil
#

He's a wizard, here to engage in some Locus Pocus.

modest jay
tight prairie
#

Sounds like a fun alteration project for our new lantern panes.

zenith galleon
slow flume
#

if we get spun with our free default locus, can we run and add a property to then boost?

vale osprey
thorn cradle
zenith galleon
#

I know, but I'm a tightwad and prefer not to spend 5k changing properties if I can help it. 🤣

rigid sun
thorny orchid
#

top 3 locus enhancives? go!

short orbit
#

Depends on what you need

severe scarab
#

Climbing

#

Climbing is a top enhancive because it lets you get on top of things

vale osprey
#

lore, aura, ???

woven condor
#

The holes in your enhancive set. Doing locus without an enhancive set? sounds expensive!

merry bronze
#

I'm in a neat position where I'm just starting to put together enhancive sets, so the locus acting as a backbone for that is neat

combat maneuvers and dodging, for now

sweet vector
#

wis/aura/lore for casters and CM/str/meleeskill for melee

thorny orchid
#

I won't make my locus a backbone since it doesn't accept all the simucoin potions and someday will be the most potential expensive charge .

All my hunting enhancives (aura/Wis/dex/agi) I'm trying to use regular enhancives

sweet vector
#

50% of people won't ever buy a locus, 45% will only get it to +5/+5..... the +5/+5 ones are cheap as heck to recharge

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I wonder how much my +5/+5/+1/+1/+1/+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 /+1 will be

thorny orchid
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It does seem to be an infinite silver sink...

sweet vector
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I think charges drain per line so if I have 20 lines it might lose a charge every hour haha

thorny orchid
woven condor
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Mine's +6/+5. I'll probably add a +2 at DR. Part of me wants to do it now, because (excluding gemstones boosting enhancive limits) then I'd be done with my enhancive set

short orbit
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If you open enough vaults on your account, you will never need to charge it again!
But seriously, if you just do a vault and a couple +1 boosts for each event, you don’t need to worry about charging it.

topaz pollen
thorny orchid
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Think I'll get mine, eventually, to 10 demon/10 necro/1 mana regen/1 health Regen/1 stamina regen, 75k event currency

Saying that out loud makes me wonder if anyone has a +10 lore/+10 lore enhancive I can buy and modify today

short orbit
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Total +20 lore…maybe. I have a +7 / +7 runestaff with summoning and religion

sweet vector
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My best lore enhancive is a natural pinworn +7 earth +6 air

thorny orchid
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I'll take it! It's only 25k currency on a locus

lapis dirge
woven condor
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some lore is really difficult to find.. wisdom is expensive in higher +s. so yeah, both those are good locus options

thorny orchid
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I can hardly think of three things to boost, let alone 20 at that price

bright crescent
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just wait until you have every slot full

woven condor
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my locus would be +6 WIS, +5 Ambush, +2 INF to fill in some gaps.. I have 5 slots without enhancives? I think.. I'll be using a premium enhancive on one next month

modest jay
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I’m gonna lore it up. All the lores

thorny orchid
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+1s should be 1k (for first service in a window) not 5k, convince me I'm wrong

lapis dirge
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not debating, but it's kinda like +2 if you value the +1 stam/mana/health

thorny orchid
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Maybe I need more than 1 locus, each going to +10/+10 and swap on them on fly?

modest jay
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One locus 20 in each thing. That is the way

vernal basalt
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question: Once you fill the locus to max, can you still charge it by giving the locus person currency? Just curious

lapis dirge
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ya, it'll just cost a lot

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recharge costs roughly grow like bonus squared and are additive among multiple properties, so having many smaller bonuses is more efficient than a lesser number of large (e.g. +20) bonuses

sweet vector
lapis dirge
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ya, for sure

sweet vector
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I think that I have bought every vault so far, not sure how sustainable that is in the long term, GS marketing too good

thorn cradle
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Setting up in platinum now!

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Prime will be in about an hour and a half.

vale osprey
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Good luck folks! The wife said I had to be somewhere else.

median depot
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so do we go and do our event upgrade for this first before doing this spin?

pliant root
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I believe he said he'll give time for that

median depot
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gotcha, but if I go and add my second stat now and got the stat add or something I could still get that?

topaz pollen
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I believe so? as long as you don't max out for the event

median depot
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cool, thanks for the info

pliant root
topaz pollen
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was just going to go do the base 5m add and 5m increase myself before hoping to get spun

median depot
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I'm still a bit confused. So if I add another stat to this:

It is an enhancive item:
    It provides a boost of 2 to Max Stamina.
    It provides a boost of 6 to Agility Base.

for the +5, then if I got the stat add one which probably don't have a chance at all

topaz pollen
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as I understand it, if you only added 1 stat this event, then you should still be able to add 1 more stat through winning, because normally you can add 2 stats per event, one for 5k and one for 25k

median depot
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ah ok, didn't realize that. makes sense then. thanks for the clarification

topaz pollen
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what I'm not clear on is if you've already added 2 stats whenever, and so used up your free +5s for them, can you still win a 3rd +5 add?

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since it's first prize I would assume so, as that's the only way it's really nice prize

slow flume
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can we only win and work on our locus?
im assuming yes but

sweet vector
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Can the winner even speak lol, also did he win the best one or the +1?

rare holly
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they can whisper to the gm

hasty void
median depot
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where is this at?

severe scarab
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u8084030

median depot
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thanks!

hasty void
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spins just completed

thorn cradle
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Well, we muddled through that without significant catastrophe. Good job everybody!

quiet siren
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not bad, but you gotta learn to manage the crowd. we need to be led, not left to our own devices. demand and enforce control of the crowd! (thanks for the offering!)

pliant root
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Same time tomorrowsies?

severe scarab
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Locus fishhook!

granite tapir
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quick and easy thank you!

zenith galleon
bright crescent
zenith galleon
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I'm already pushing it by joining the Altheren-and-Tikba chorus asking for RoL again. Ain't got time for more RW until next year!

bright crescent
native fossil
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So what's the best plan for Updates on the Locus
Should I add the two Xtra each event?
Or boost up the 1st 2 (plus the main one) till max

rare holly
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completely depends how you value enhancives, locus is expensive vs other enhancives but it also can grow and do a lot
So there's the "just get 5 + 5 and stop forever, there's the boost 2 + add 1 each to take advantage of initial price point, or theres stuff in between or doing even more

native fossil
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Ya...it's a lot to absorb

Then it's like
Sorcerer and Cleric..what's best..lol

rare holly
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again, sort of depends on your enhancive situation, for CS classes like sorc and cleric, if you don't have those stats maxed, it's never a bad idea, so aura/wis for sorc and wis for cleric.

Lores can be sometimes tough to find on enhancives so those can be decent choices as well. I would avoid stuff that you can find pretty high normal enhancives of, this includes weapon skill and spell aim enhancives, those'll just be cheaper in general to get not using the locus.

My personal plan for my locus is finishing up my wisdom and aura so I have 40/40 of each (I'm at like 30/37 today) then I plan to get some lores. I also plan to get some dodging, eventually a little bit of agi (I also have 32 agi enhancives so wouldn't mind finishing that up to 40)

Basically, I consider one of the big things with the locus is it can be used to fill in holes or "finish" enhancive sets that you have.

sharp elbow
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I’m on the 3 per festival track, but I’m a pretty big enhancive user. Whatever you do, be consistent with the upgrades. It’s more expensive to do 3 upgrades one festival and then 1 the next, vs 2 + 2.

gentle girder
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Since the locus can be shared amongst characters on your account (and effectively charged all year, if you hit each event), Im trying to focus on stats that will help with most/all professions

sharp elbow
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The other nice thing about the locus, assuming you’re doing 2 upgrades or more per run, is that it’ll effectively always be charged. So you don’t need to rotate it on/off with an armoire and can benefit from the boosts 100% of the time

zenith galleon
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Lores are what I'd do if I were running a caster. Since I'm not, I'm going with Combat Maneuvers because that's way harder to find in high quantities than weapon skills.

I still have no idea what my second skill will be, though, heh.

sweet vector
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lores all the way...
It is an enhancive item:
It provides a boost of 4 to Max Mana.
It provides a boost of 6 to Elemental Lore - Fire Bonus.
It provides a boost of 7 to Elemental Lore - Air Bonus.

sharp elbow
zenith galleon
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I was originally going to add Earth lore for my rock flares, but decided I'll wait until next Duskruin and see if more lore flares appear.

bright crescent
sharp elbow
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Heh I wonder what the payback would be for adding trading to this thing, even one boost at a time (probably a ridiculous amount of time)

gentle girder
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What enhancives would be best for sharing between a warrior, ranger, cleric, and paladin?

thorny orchid
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Fitness and MOC 🧌

gentle girder
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Oooh i always sleep on MOC, good call

short orbit
thorny orchid
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I thought the max mana (base enh) went up with every boost and every unlock but no, it only increases for unlock

rare holly
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the max only increase for "boost" not "add"

thorny orchid
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make it both please, thank you

short orbit
gentle girder
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my main is warrior, so MOC isn't really an issue, but I can see it being a huge help for every other profession

sharp elbow
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MOC enhancives are extremely difficult to find in the wild. Probably (?) the rarest, considering you can’t swap them at EG either

sweet vector
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biggest issue with MOC is they are all or nothing, you get the breakpoint or you don't and sometimes that means all 50/50 enhancive

thorny orchid
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they help, defensively, at any rank right?

gentle girder
sweet vector
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If there are more than 1 in the room maybe. It really depends on your current MoC and the number in the room.

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That being said my dream is paladin with 150 MOC for that 6th assault swing.... but thats way down the post cap road with ascension and a lucky MOC find.

rare holly
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The thresholds for FOF are more fuzzy than whats actually on the wiki, as the numbers there only applies to equal level opponents, witg higher level creatures, you need more ranks to ignore fof.

gentle girder
sweet vector
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Your best bet is +10 MOC adv badge, +5 MOC locust, and a few +7 MOC premy enhancives
Or maybe one of the GS quest enhancives that gives some stupid amount of MOC for a short time

thorny orchid
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and 10 ascension

zenith galleon
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You can only get 3 4 MOC from a guild badge.

fast cairn
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I think MOC caps at 4 ranks, but you can do +10 bonus.

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||Friends don't let friends use ranks for their AdvGuild badge.||

gentle girder
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Can we just have every add after the first two start at +5 bonus so I don't have to make difficult decisions here?

zenith galleon
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Ahh, right, was thinking of ranks.

rigid sun
sweet vector
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Just win the +5 new add spinner EVERY event, ez money

vestal egret
slender scaffold
sage bloom
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I verified it.

brazen sedge
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hey Nyxus, any chance we could get a thing added to the analyze of the locus that shows us how many boosts/adds we've done during the current window? I keep finding myself forgetting how many I've done across several locus >.> Oh wait you already did, hah!

woven condor
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It'd be nice if we could combine the oils together. I won't be using mine until my locus is out of charges, so they're taking more and more locker space

vestal egret
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Why not just pour them now, unless you're planning on taking a few months off or something.

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They just add another 30 days to whatever is there.

topaz pollen
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I assume the locus uses charges like other enhancives, so the more you build them up the faster they'll use charges. Which is why I'd rather let it use up the charges slowly now when its not that built up, and save the oils for when it's more built up.

brazen sedge
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the potions don't add charges. it just makes it active until X date without using charges

topaz pollen
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I know that... doesn't change anything. Still makes more sense to use charges when it's less powerful

hasty void
topaz pollen
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they don't use more charges the more powerful they are? Well in that case I mostly retract my statement, except it could still make more sense to use up charges early IF you plan on ever recharging it, cause it most definitely costs more to recharge using bounty points the more powerful it is.

severe scarab
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the most important factor for enhancive charge use is just time worn because the actual "should this enhancive lose a charge" check is run on a schedule and just checks whether ANYTHING that might use the enhancive has happened since the last check (which means almost always yes).

vivid bear
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Personally I’m saving my oils too. Since I’ll keep building it slowly, this is the cheapest it’ll ever be to charge it at the AG. A way to bundle/combine the oils would be great.

vestal egret
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I can see a use case for saving them I guess. If you’re only doing +1 add per event that’s 4 months and it’ll take a long time for that to be prohibitively expensive at the ag.

But if you’re doing +2 per event and getting a vault that pace carried through the theoretical end of being able to improve the locus takes you like 50 years to complete with it being charged the entire time.

sand thunder
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It comes with 200 charges right? It's going to take a long long time to go through all those charges, with the regular suspending of the use of charges etc. It likely will take years. I don't see the point in saving the oils.

vestal egret
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200 charges can be depleted in 6 months if you play enough. Depends a lot on what you put in it. Like if you put logic in it you’re probably leaving it on all the time. But if you’re only putting hunting stuff in it and take it off when not hunting. Yeah that’ll last a long while.

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Fwiw. I don’t care if someone wants to save the oil, and asking for bundle ability makes sense for those people.

But I think that’s the looooooooong game. Like unimaginably long.

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Also, feel free to archive this and laugh at us all in 20 years when we can’t use our locus because we don’t have oil and the bp cost is like 1m per charge. I do wonder if there is any sort of cap on cost because in theory at some point it does become unchargable if not.

short orbit
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I have relatively simple enhancives that want 250k bp per charge. The treasure master really doesn't like high tier recovery items, like +22 Health Rec. So...

rigid sun
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with all the armament/enhancive updates... i feel like there's going to be an outcry from folks to try to pull the cost down a little or find alternatives...

Not locus related, but it's adjacent to the conversation.

pliant root
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I feel like they changed the enhancive charge formula months ago. I noticed that my enhancives were wearing out much faster than usual. So I've stopped using them during regular hunting.

It would be really funny if they sold millions of nuggets and sylinar transmuting only to nerf the system and make it way more expensive to upkeep.

vernal basalt
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...it would not and I have noticed that too.

sweet vector
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"We have found a 20 year old enhancive charge bug that caused enhancives to deplete 3x slower than intended. We have fixed the issue. Enjoy."

thorny orchid
vestal egret
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I agree that anecdotally charges seem to be running faster.

sand thunder
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Could it be because you're wearing 2x to 3x as many enhancives as you used to? Also, it's not accidental that you have the opportunity to use more of something that must be maintained. at ever increasing cost.

pliant root
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I didn't realize you were part of DEV now. Can you make an official release about that opportunity/cost increase?

vestal egret
sand thunder
# pliant root I didn't realize you were part of DEV now. Can you make an official release abo...

In the past couple years we've had: convert an armor accessory to jewelry, merge 6 accessories into 1, SK tattoo spigot made wide open, convert ANY armament to jewelry, added slots to increase the number of enhancices you can wear, and now the locus. All these have significantly ramped up the quantity and scope of enhancives that your average adventure is wearing. It's not a secret, and all those releases have been announced. Are you saying that the promotion of the use of more enhancives isn't intentional?

sweet vector
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I think they should re-examine equalizing enhancive skill rank/bonus costs. Its a real shame that some enhancives are ruined simply because they have 1-2 random high rank garbage skills that drive up the enhancive recharge cost by 25-50K bounty points. This would not be an issue if Sylinar removal service was a reasonable price (1K shards) or FREE but its like the system is forcing you to pay for upkeep on useless/overpriced stuff.

gentle girder
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HESS "convert rank to bonus" slip

vestal egret
gentle girder
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i agree, anecdotally they are burning faster.

thorn cradle
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For what it's worth, I looked through the log, and don't see anything that would result in a higher burn rate versus a year ago. Of course it's always possible that I missed something or the issue is more subtle.

gentle girder
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maybe a decimal was moved in the code?

severe scarab
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I am looking forward to the natural experiment here to see whether a GM saying "nothing has changed" will actually convince anybody that nothing has changed

jagged vigil
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Next comes saying that the rate has actually been lowered? *Note - This snarky comment is not an announcement of any behavior changes, real, imagined, or potential

thorn cradle
sweet vector
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I used to hunt OTF with all my enhancives on but over the last year it has seemed that my upkeep has skyrocketed for whatever reason.... bigger enhancives, nuggetgeddon, more line items on each enhancives. Now I only wear enhancives when Hinterwilds which is probably what I should have done anyways but still the frequency and cost is getting oppressive when you have like 25-30 enhancives on.

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Statistics:
Enhancive Items: 34 (still need another necklance and 2 pinworns)
Enhancive Properties: 90
Total Enhancive Amount: 619

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Like with 90 enhancive line items am I losing a charge somewhere every 15 minutes?

severe scarab
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from what we've been told about enhancives you would expect your cost to scale linearly with number of worn items and you'd expect a much smaller increase per number of line items per worn item (each worn item can lose one charge per check, and the odds of facing the check are already high with one line item, but they also go up per line item). it sounds like both have gone way up for you so you'd expect the cost to go up

vestal egret
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Will there be some sort of mechanism in place to deal with insane charge rates for locus, once some of them get there? Because at some point it does become unsustainable obviously.

thorn cradle
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There will need to be something, I think

sweet vector
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I don't even want to fathom what the cost of a "12 month character enhancive recharge" potion would be

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Or maybe the enhancive reroller would have a de-charge option that would cost 10x what 1 normal recharge would cost

severe scarab
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actually in looking back on this I found that we got a specific answer on this and degradation is per item so we should not expect it to scale with line item per item

rigid sun
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i too am finding that mine are losing charges at an increased rate. I used to go 2-3 months before needing an AG recharge (standard 10 charges).
Lately it's been a month or less on them.
Edit: And no changes to my in game behavior/usage

sweet vector
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38 individual long-term potions at 4200 simucoins no sale (which would be crazy to pay) is 160K Simucoins which would be $1,200-$1,600 depending on discounts

thorn cradle
rigid sun
# sweet vector 38 individual long-term potions at 4200 simucoins no sale (which would be crazy ...

Right.... even at 1/2 off during the big sales.... still crazy. $600 to charge enhancives for year... that's more than a premium account for the same time period.

Anyways - that's why I was hoping/could fathom a lower cost "character enhancive for a year" item in there, heh

I think last round of enhancive charging for me was about 500k BP's, and that didn't include all items.

Definitely going to turn into an "enhancive tax" to try to keep them up

woven condor
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Mines ~500k for all my items. I go back and forth between 'Why did I get this giant set if I'm not going to use it?' and 'This thing is too expensive to take out of the garage!'

gentle girder
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I need to make better use of my armoires

rigid sun
severe scarab
vestal egret
vale osprey
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Need a pause/ no pause list. But then that's encroacing on the armoire

severe scarab
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Just remove the logic bonus to experience absorption. I’ll make a thread for that.

rigid sun
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New HESS Cert:
Enhancive charge permanence -- Never need to charge again

sharp elbow
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Would love to see that HESS cert happen

vestal egret
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Not a bad idea. Based on experience it would be wildly overpriced though. Realisticly, it should be like 75-100K BS, but it would probably go in at 300K

topaz pollen
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Or just build in enhancive toggling into all enhancives. There’s no reason why it has to be tied into the worn status.

vestal egret
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I kinda wonder how much overhead is created system wise from the thousands of enhanchive checks going off regularly.

severe scarab
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Not that much probably since they just go “oh this item is on cooldown, break”

zenith galleon
rigid sun
severe scarab
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I too am a sinner

topaz pollen
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I can’t imagine the code is so bad that there isn’t a single place an enhancive toggle check couldn’t be added. Would probably need a new verb for the toggle to eliminate any possible clashes with existing functionality but that also seems reasonable.

slender scaffold
vestal egret
sand thunder
pliant root
pliant root
rigid sun
pliant root
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I was going to search logs for when I recharge a specific enhancive and map out the dates.

sand thunder
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There's definitely some weird stuff that's been pointed out with enhancives. A while back, I pointed out that I was getting the "one more charge left" notification in the MIDDLE of using Hortrand's Holler, and was told that this wasn't an indication that using HH was increasing enhancive drain. Seemed hard to believe, and it wasn't a one off occurance. I just stopped using Holler.

short orbit
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Interesting correlation. I wonder if all the new feats and Enhanced Dodge/Evasion/Shield etc triggers also play a role in increasing counters somewhere. There are a lot of skills that trigger a short enhancive buff.

topaz pollen
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Did this increase burn rate perhaps start when everyone started wearing luck charms? 🤔

severe scarab
pliant root
short orbit
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What type of cooldown?

bright crescent
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I was super psyched to make all my nuggets, but not the 30k+ costs to charge them 😅 .. really hope Nyxus is secretly working on the AG pawnshop where we can sell enhancives for BPs

woven condor
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I was debating if it was worth 10k shards to remove some stuff from my enhancives..but I honestly have no idea if it'd matter much

bright crescent
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I know that such charging cost data exists, but I don't know if it's in any easily digestible format (and currently just some very intense spreadsheetin)

rigid sun
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I do wonder when the last time charge drainage and costs were dusted off and looked at.
It feels like the dynamics of enhancives have changed quite a bit the last few years, and it could be worthy of an inspection.

sweet vector
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What about if one's magic item use reduced enhancive depletion rate by some %, are enhancive's "magic"?

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Or is that +14 agility greaves just super aerodynamic lol....

woven condor
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I know there's a cost variation depending on what skills/stats are being enhanced and ranks/stat bonus vs stat/skill bonus.. I also feel that there's a modification based on location, but I'm not 100% sure on that

slender scaffold
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location matters pretty sure. at the very least armor vs not does (a non-armor headworn is more expensive than a helm armor piece)

woven condor
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my an embossed ora earring costs 45,720 and it's +12 DISC +3 Demonology Ranks.. Not sure how much taking those ranks off would drop it. I kinda wish I tried to see the difference, but I don't think it can drop 10k shards worth of difficulty.. second is a back-worn train that costs 43,980 and it's +8 DEX, +13 DISC, and +2 Transformation Ranks.. so I'm guessing single earring has quite a recharge modifier

vivid bear
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Lore ranks massively increase recharge cost.

woven condor
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I'd go strip it off, but well.. maybe next year

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Costs me a little over 500k to recharge all my hunting enhancives (excluding badge) once.

thorn cradle
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I wonder how much it would be if it were bonus instead of ranks

short orbit
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Next time EG is on test, it might be possible to check some differences

woven condor
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3 ranks of demonology lore on a badge is 24k.. 3 bonus is 2.4k

vivid bear
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^^ Yep, exactly that

woven condor
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1 rank of lore is 4k, 2 is 12k, 3 is 24k, 4 is 40k 5 is 60k

thorn cradle
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It would be nice if there were a way to convert ranks to bonus

woven condor
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wow.. fully unlocked badge and I can't add a second enhancement to it when I have 5 ranks of lore on it

vivid bear
woven condor
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Shard cost would be worth it if I didn't use an armoire..ofc, if I kept these on all the time I'd never be able to afford to keep them charged

vale osprey
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You also can't do 10 10 10 bonus if two of them are lores. Need to up the max on the badges!

sweet vector
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No need to convert, just make the cost the same for ranks and bonus.... 95% of enhancives out there with ranks don't really need to be ranks. Maybe if you are a swinger and need mana then Harness Power ranks are good but I have found almost no other cases where ranks are needed over bonus. Even arguments for pre-capped suck because you won't have many core skills under 40 ranks in anything for long.

rigid sun
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Would also be amazing if there was a reasonable maximum cost ceiling of like 10k or 20k BPs put on everything

short orbit
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I'm not sure the system was ever designed well for high tier enhancives. The cost is baffling. 250k for 10 charges is just insane. 20k would be a good cap for 10.

gentle girder
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I don’t think you can normalize the bonus/rank costs; there is a lot of value in ranks depending on levels and goals

vestal egret
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Sure you can. Overprice it and let people decide themselves.

rigid sun
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putting a reasonable cap on it would help normalize it a bit.

sharp elbow
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As a heavy enhancive user I’d love a cap like Kontii suggested. But it probably would hurt simucoin store sales a bit.

I’ve always believed the major issue with enhancive recharging costs is ranks recharging rates. No one values ranks higher than stat/bonus, but for some reason the system does. The use case for ranks is so limited in today’s Gemstone it’s effectively zero.

I think they could offer a one-time swap for all ranks items to provide 2:1 ranks to bonus (ie your 5 SA rank greathelm becomes 10 SA bonus). And then just get rid of ranks all together.

severe scarab
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they should not make all ranks enhancives twice as powerful, they should just convert all ranks enhancives 1:1 to bonus and manually give anybody who complains on discord a bunch of death sting

zenith galleon
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Y'all over here plotting when I'm not looking, trying to reduce the value of bounty points even further. 🤣

sharp elbow
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Nah my suggestion basically maintains BPs at the same relative value. Recharge costs would remain fairly similar. I don’t think it’s crazy for BP costs to be high for items with crazy bonuses. I just think ranks recharging is obviously busted.

I’ve made this suggestion before - but as a really simple, mostly non-controversial fix, they could just cut the BP recharging costs for ranks items by 50% or 67% and just call it a day. Easy peezy.

People would probably end up using more ranks stuff, resulting in more simucoin sales too!

lapis dirge
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This suggestion is simple and spot on. I simply don't use any enhancives with ranks because the recharge cost is so unpalatable.

short orbit
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The value of BPs is set by the fixskill price. I doubt that will change much.

It’s not just ones with ranks. My 22 health recovery with 1 strength and 1 dex bonus is 250k to charge.

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It just really dislikes high numbers, I think

sharp elbow
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22 health recovery is a pretty powerful effect, so it doesn’t bother me that it’s pricey. Now should it be 250k? That’s a fair question 🙂

vestal egret
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That's just absurd. I do think 2K/charge as suggested earlier is kind of low for a cap, but 25K/charge is ridiculous. Locuses gonna be like the penalty google got hit with from Russia. "Yes, we require more BP's than have existed ever in GS to charge your locus."

short orbit
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I think the system could use a revision for its upper end. When it came out +5 was considered good.

pliant root
thorn cradle
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I liked it too

woven condor
rigid sun
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Question..... does activating Inventory Enhancives On trigger a charge check?

I'm trying to think if ANY of my habits have changed in the last 3-4 months, and with the addition of SK's, i do flip Inv Enh's on to spellup while I'm on node (for about 2 minutes) in between hunts.

I can't imagine that's causing the rate of charge usage to double or more for me (going from needed to charge things once every 3 months to 1x a month)... but if it does trigger a charge check by flipping it, maybe that's causing the change for me.

thorn cradle
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Good question. I can check later if no other GM does

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Even then, that shouldn’t increase the drain rate. It would reduce the benefit of inv enh off, but the rate wouldn’t ever be higher than just leaving enhancives on, because of the charge drain cooldown

severe scarab
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Checks do not matter, the cooldown matters, read my guide

rigid sun
severe scarab
short orbit
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Hmm. Is the enhancive cooldown duration the same for all enhancives?
Also, it’s possible that something is “checking” them more frequently even while a character is at rest, whether that’s an inventory check or something else

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There’s been a lot of inventory updates recently

severe scarab
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the enhancive cooldown is tracked per individual item. I don't know if the duration is the same, but nobody has ever suggested that some enhancives are designed to decay faster than others.
it is definitely possible that something is running more checks but it doesn't actually matter very much because you're going to get a check every 1-2 minutes regardless even when you're afk and more often when you are doing things. the largest possible difference would be like two RL minutes less enhancive duration per cooldown, in extremely specific circumstances.

short orbit
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Is the cooldown long enough to make repeated checks irrelevant? Checks every 5 min would be different than every 30 over time

rigid sun
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Thanks @severe scarab the guide helped clarify... based on that, I'm surprised i'm consuming charges at a considerably higher rate

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Solution - allow monks to not only charge enhancive tattoos... but ALL enhancives on a character.
Make Monk services great again!

*Disclaimer, I do not, and have never played a monk.

short orbit
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Hiring monk. 252,560 bonus needed.

rigid sun
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All this made me look to see what it would cost me to do one recharge, for each item i wear, if I did them all at once... lol...

Didn't realize I was walking myself into an untenable enhancive situation. 1.15m BP's per month. Enhancive tax isn't foolin around.

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vestal egret
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It's why I use virtually no enhancives. I have a logic set, I use simu potions.

rigid sun
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Wise man

vestal egret
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But, I have monk tattoos, and those seem to (like enhancives) be burning through charges like 2x the speed they used to as well.

river lily
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it's the downside to nuggetmageddon those high value enhancives are a huge resource suck

rigid sun
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The single most expensive one I have is +4 stat bonus, +2 stat bonus... but then +12 health recovery... the system hates the health recovery

vestal egret
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There really need to be a cap per charge.

rigid sun
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even at 10k per charge... the way they're burning, it would cost me like 300k a month in BPs

woven condor
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the "cheapness" of the nugget was 100% a recharge potion bait; that being said I'll be buying more next DR lol

rigid sun
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I was planning 3 already, but seeing it all the way through this time. i wont be able to keep the ones I have recharged... so i'll likely pause any future enhancive plans.

Hopefully the recharge system gets peaked at under the hood a bit.

vestal egret
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Maybe someone should start an actual forum post for this, instead of hijacking the locus one...lol

rigid sun
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Also probably wise... I thought about that earlier, but there was so much discussion here already, and it's kind of relevant to the Locus, that it kind of makes sense... plus we know Nyxus will have at least one wandering eye here 👁️

vale osprey
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This is why I have 2 sets. 1 set is going all out for things like the Wyrm and hopefully harder content to come.
And the other is my everyday stuff with like some cheap necromancy for rot flares and weapon skill, agidex.
Also, you didn't check recharge costs before conversion!?

pliant root
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Could we get messaging to indicate when an item loses an enhancive charge, similar to the "last enhancive charge" message?

thorn cradle
sharp elbow
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Maybe with a flag to toggle it on/off? Some people won’t care at all

thorn cradle
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Yes, I agree that it would need to have a flag

sweet vector
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Me with all new nugget items in the 2 week "honeymoon phase" 😍
After the first ten 30-50K bounty point recharges..... ☠️

short orbit
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Potions all the way. Just gets expensive.

sharp elbow
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I’m a big advocate for just using the enhancives sparingly. Complete overkill for most content, even Ascension. Put ‘em on when you are killing the really hard stuff.

Nice thing about the locus (bringing this back on topic) is that you can keep it charged with regular boosting + oil, so it’s “always on”

vale osprey
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Do you know what's wrong with the locus?
||Cause I can't think of anything.||

grim kestrel
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You currently have 5291 enhancive pauses available. I really should start using these.

rigid sun
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I use them religiously. they’re not helping. then again, i hunt a lot.

vestal egret
heady pawn
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I use enhancive pauses all the time. And when I go from enhancives off to enhancive on, within a couple seconds I'll get crumbly screaming at me because something is down to 1 charge. Maybe it is all coincidental and I happened to pause my enhancive with just a few seconds left... but it seems suspicious.

vestal egret
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I'm pretty sure turning off the pause would trigger an immediate check on all of them at once, since the cooldown period would be over. Depending on how many things you're wearing , and the average charge level you keep them at, this isn't surprising to me.

heady pawn
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Seems like a punishing system then

vestal egret
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You skipped all the checks while it was paused.

heady pawn
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shouldn't the checks pause while the enhancive is paused?

vestal egret
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I mean, I'm just guessing.

  1. item has a cool down period. (per tikba)
  2. events happen which cause a check.
  3. The first step in the check is a character level review, and if you have a pause active, check passes.
  4. The cool down timer for each item is a fixed amount of time, regardless of the pause.
  5. When you unpause, you probably, within a very short period of time, do something that causes a check.

So I imagine (again guess) the cooldown timer works like the simu potions and a "This is good until 11/9/24 @ 2:45" (or whatever) gets added to the item data. Your pause is eating smoe of that, but if your pause is shorter/longer it doesn't get reset at all.

heady pawn
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So I mean if that is how the system work, then step 4 in that is punishing the player for using pauses. That it doesn't matter if you have a pause or not, that enhancive is destined to lose that charge.

vestal egret
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Well, depends on how you're using pauses and how long the cooldown timer is.

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It stops, with 100% certainty, enhancive charges being used, while paused. If you're only pausing for short periods of time, like between hunts, yeah, probably not that great. If you're pausing because you're going to go RP for 4 hours, probably a good thing.

severe scarab
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it is not really sensible to say it's punishing the player for using pauses. it is correct to say it means pauses are not as meaningful as you might imagine and specifically that short pauses basically don't do anything. pausing isn't costing you anything, it just isn't gaining you anything.

heady pawn
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I mean I guess? But pauses do actually cost something. They're very inexpensive, but they do have a cost associated with them.

It would be nice if the enhancive system received type of love/update to it.

severe scarab
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I would agree that my takeaway from this is that my pause-centered enhancive management strategy probably is doing a lot less than I imagined it was doing. similarly, if you armoire after a hunt and then armoire back ten minutes later, that is probably gaining you very little.

thorn cradle
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Hmm. It depends on how long you’re pausing for

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I’d guess offhand that 4 minutes is about the threshold

vestal egret
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The cooldown timer on checks is 4 minutes....that's much lower than I expected.

severe scarab
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I think nyxus means 4 minutes is about the point at which a pause is worth it, which implies the cooldown timer is longer than that but not an order of magnitude longer, like 10 minutes or something

heady pawn
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My pause duration can vary, that's for sure.

vestal egret
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Fair. Still shorter than I was thinking though, I was expecting 15 or 30 minutes.

hasty void
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I can’t imagine that adding one extra check trigger (by means of enhancive pause) would meaningfully change the overall calculation. I am under the impression that there are hundreds/thousands of distinct events that cause a check to occur, and the odds of any given check to drain a charge are small. This entire cycle is then further limited by the cooldown period

thorn cradle
thorn cradle
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The system is very robust to gaming

severe scarab
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yes, I think the key thing I wanted to get across in the guide is that players seem to spend most of their time thinking about enhancive checks (partly because when you actually lose a charge it is always right after an enhancive check) but that in practice they are almost irrelevant and you should not think about them. if people ARE losing a lot more enhancive charges, which I dunno because I haven't seen any data, it is not going to be because they're getting more enhancive checks.

vestal egret
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If that's the case, maybe the cool down timer got messed with somehow, because (again anecdotally) the charges on my monk tats seem to be running 2x as fast. Since about the time bard luck came into play.

vivid bear
woven condor
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from what I've heard in the past stuff doesn't get checked if your pause is on, but there's no 'catch up check' when you turn it back off.

sweet vector
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I had an enhancive crumble within 3 seconds after logging in. Feels bad. (My autostart script wasn't even done)

slender scaffold
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Thats why you alert at 2 charges left not 1.

woven condor
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i check my charges a lot manually, it’s the only way i feel safe

topaz pollen
woven condor
topaz pollen
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well, I would probably still leave ;crumbly running just in case I forgot lol

hasty void
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;enhancives is similar, but you can set the threshold at which it yells at you

rigid sun
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All this conversation points to..... 75% off for Cyber Monday for enhancive charging potions please 😬

deft elm
grim kestrel
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Same. Sale discounts are a big draw for me. I spend in GS based on available discretionary budget at any given time. I don't find the full price worth the investment for upkeep, but when they go on sale it's appealing enough that I buy in. The amount I have available spend is the same in either case; just in one, I don't, and another I do. They are really nice to have around, though!

heady pawn
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You are now accepting the benefits of your enhancive inventory items.  Their enhancive charges will now degrade normally.
Your sterling silver necklace faintly pulses with light and you sense its enhancive magic will be depleted soon.

Yeah like this.

vale osprey
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That's just the ones you see. Imagine if you could see all the charges.