#[Ebon Gate] Return of the Trove

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twin summit
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Which I also recognize is a bit hypocritical because I still participate in those purchases.

slow oyster
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I will say personally I don't care at all about scarcity and don't consider my items more valuable because of their scarcity. admittedly I don't have very many scarce things! but I want to put out there that personally I don't just like customizing my character but I also like seeing other people's customizations because we're all playing together

plucky goblet
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Approving an alteration is very different than approving full sentences or the creation of a new item. I do a fair amount of QC, and I assure you, not everyone should have the freedom to approve signature verbs.

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(no offense to my coworkers)

vital dock
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Is that a training issue though?

vivid laurel
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I don't think so.

plucky goblet
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Absolutely not.

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Otherwise no English speaker in the world would ever confuse "your" and "you're."

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We all have different skillsets.

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You can try to train someone until you're blue in the face on grammatical nuisances, and it is not going to stick for everyone.

vivid laurel
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Casil gave me guff about using "as if" in one of my alters too many times, and he was totally right (it sounds worse than it is). Not all of them would go that deep for just an alter.

nocturne grove
plucky goblet
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Obligatory.

zinc thunder
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I feel like the ickyness could be neutralized with small consolations for not winning... like a 1 rub green orb or something for each entry. Or just one of these for each token purchased, period. Regardless of win or loss

slow oyster
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while I will reluctantly agree that I should be given 27 RPA orbs, I'm not sure that the price point is aligned there

twin summit
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I’ve had typos make it through alter sessions. Not a critique at all, especially since it was my mistake in the first place - but just a highlight to the fact that different eyes see different things. Plus language, despite having a lot of rules, is still ultimately subjective

vital dock
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Okay, so it's not a training issue. Is there some way to reduce the scope of what QC has to check to increase availability for the things that need to be scrutinized more carefully like signature verbs?

zinc thunder
slow oyster
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(also if your alter comes back with a typo don't forget that it's easier for them to fix it right then than later)

plucky goblet
vital dock
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Is there any scenario in which more can be offered?

twin summit
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One of these days I’ll plan my alters in an actual document processing app and not sublime text. Spellcheck be darned!

plucky goblet
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But ultimately no. There's no way to reduce how much work it is to do a signature verb.

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Not a custom one, anyway.

slow oyster
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sublime text has spellcheck!

nocturne grove
thorny plinth
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Every token you spend returns a used token which can be used to buy something off a wall of prizes, this clearly would take no coding to do and is the best idea ever and no one would complain about what was on the prize wall how could they? we put 2 sip 414 pots on it./s

plucky goblet
# vital dock Is there any scenario in which more can be offered?

Our custom offerings are balanced for workload for EG against all the other things we have to do--both for the handling GM and the QCer. That's all I can really say about it. I know you keep circling back to this so obviously we haven't given you a satisfactory answer yet, but I don't think you are going to find a different one at this point.

slow oyster
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every token that loses returns a losing token that can be used in the loser's trove to win the same items as the winner's trove, but with uglier alters

twin summit
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What if I could ATTUNE my token to artificially inflate its value (for example, count as 5-10 entries) but it would bind the purchase to me if I won

thorny plinth
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we need a NPC that comes around to the trove and offered you watered down drinks for free when you put tokens in but like they dont come back for like 45 min and if you're gone the just give the drink away to someone else standing there.

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if you enter all the troves you get a comped jungle room stay. mini bar and raspberries not included*

vital dock
plucky goblet
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There isn't always one.

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We offer as many as we can reasonably offer.

nocturne grove
stable pumice
plucky goblet
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We have tried many different methods for distributing things, and each one has its pros and cons, detractors and promoters.

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And I'm sure we'll keep trying to achieve maximum satisfaction, but the number of things we can offer will remain equivalent to the workload we can provide.

thorny plinth
twin summit
vital dock
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I'd find it pretty useful if I could negotiate with QC directly without having to play telephone through the initial GM.

spiral dune
storm trail
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Some people just want to speak to the manager.

plucky goblet
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Plus, even QC makes mistakes. My submissions do not go through flawlessly every time despite being in QC.

spiral dune
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QC isn't typically the manager. They are subject matter experts for particular areas.

plucky goblet
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Speaking to QC is not really speaking to the manager.

storm trail
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Yeah, I didn't really mean it like that...

spiral dune
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And, of course, even SMEs make mistakes, as Casil mentioned. We're not immune

vital dock
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I just ❤️ Val so I don't want to give her the hard time about the no. Because she wasn't the no. It was the man behind the curtain?

plucky goblet
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Simple way to handle that is to just shift gears and provide a different idea. Then nobody has to be given a hard time.

thorny plinth
plucky goblet
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There's near infinite ways to use the words and ideas we can use in our world. 🙂

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I think about that every time I do hundreds of alters at Ebon Gate and not one of them is exactly the same. 😛

spiral dune
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We're getting fairly far afield, btw. So let's go back to the Trove convo. QC considerations can go to their own topic if you wish to carry on!

slow oyster
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next time I see igges I'm gonna say "make this item exactly the same as the previous alteration you did"

twin summit
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I’m surprised we haven’t seen the “the customer is always right” card anywhere yet 🤣

thorny plinth
storm trail
stable pumice
nocturne grove
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I mean, there was a lot of copying going on at the Blacksmith's Companion sessions, heh. (Not a knock. I did it too. Once somebody comes up with an amazing idea, it can spread like wildfire!)

Edit: Oh, guess that was off-topic. Back to the Trove, yeah, this is why I don't necessarily buy the argument of scarcity creating value (except in the case of resale)--individual alters are what really make the item your own in the end.

thorny plinth
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there was some raffle for like 1000 charge 215 item or something with a few winners for it and I happened to win twice and the GM pulled the winners away to customize the item and I my guys went back to back and I was like yea just give me what you made for them. There was a big look of puzzlement.

fervent vault
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This

rich coral
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I'll just say again, I was overall pretty satisfied with the trove, I think it was the best iteration of the distributions of these types of things vs jackpots and normal raffles for both convenience factors of gms and players.

thorny plinth
# fervent vault This

That's always been EG though. It was the same last year. We just didnt use the trove like this. I think one could state that its less paying cash to particapate in a silver drain now because there are no mini games and items arent sold for silvers its down to just raffles and troves.

storm trail
# fervent vault This

I mean, I get the point that GP was making, but before this year, you paid cash to get the pass, and then paid more cash to get the tokens! Or bought the tokens with silvers, which is the same place you were in this year.

twin summit
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Also additional kudos on the Teadragon distribution options, despite not winning any of them.

dull veldt
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I can't 100 that statement enough. ^

plucky goblet
nocturne grove
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I liken a service pass to premium. If you're buying it just for raffles then you're really unlikely to have a good time, but if you also want the locker space, Galdpaloozas, convenient meeting place, multiple character slots, etc. then it's valuable.

storm trail
thorny plinth
plucky goblet
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LOL. Then yes it was me.

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The pin could just be those numbers, yes. But a little immersion breaking all the same.

fervent vault
thorny plinth
storm trail
fervent vault
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same. But trove was found tokens i sold. I think any raffle above 25k begs the question as to why

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In fact, i didnt find any tokens last year i think? They werent in tot? I dont rememeber. I didnt enter trove at all

nocturne grove
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Why is 25k an arbitrary cutoff point, though? If the perceived problem is that it's icky to pay cash and then pay silver, shouldn't all the raffles have no silver cost?

slow oyster
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they were in tot

storm trail
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Fair enough. I think it would be slightly more palatable if we replaced "4 auctions with 1 winner each" (for the same item) with "1 auction for 4 winners." Then you're only paying 1/4th the entry cost. But I also don't mind the silver drain.

slow oyster
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I didn't enter a single trove last year because the tokens were effectively much more expensive. I found about three and sold them all. I wouldn't mind the raffle prices being cheaper than they were this year but they were cheaper than they were last year

fervent vault
nocturne grove
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Yeah, I appreciate the consistency. It does seem like the natural conclusion of the logic.

rich coral
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Lowering the silver cost just means everyone enters everything. And thus lowers the chance generally of winning something you want.

fervent vault
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I cannot afford to enter things i want at this point. Ten raffle entries was a million silver

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Im starting to ask myself…should i go hunt for two weeks? Or do an hour of grocery deliveries and just get silver at going rates

fervent vault
rich coral
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Yeah and many fewer than every single pass has entered a lot of the different trove per thandiwe's data

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Perhaps the service pass could come with 5 free tokens or something then it's 100k afterwards everything else the same

fervent vault
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Why do we need to charge the 100k?

vital dock
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What if it were tiered pricing based on the quality of the prize?

fervent vault
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I dont really understand it. ‘It limits buy in’. For who? Is the goal to cast a wide net of item distribution, price out low silver earners? What is the goal of the large raffle fee?

dull veldt
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I mean, up until last year, you had to pay silvers for everything at EG (raffles, services, merchandise) on top of the real $ for a ticket. I'm not sure how this is a new problem when this has been how EG has been run ever since it required a pass to attend.

The only difference is that now merchandise costs shards.

vital dock
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Let's have a 10k cost trove, a 25k cost trove, a 50k cost trove and a 100k cost trove.

And let's put the token seller in the same room with the trove cabinet. So you can bring a note/silvers directly to the trove, look on the shelf, buy the 10k/25k/50k/100k token directly, put it in, and be done!

nocturne grove
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To Vaemyr's point, Thandiwe's numbers indicate the price very much did limit buy in.

fervent vault
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It certainly limited me. Now is that the goal?

jagged pagoda
fervent vault
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Because i do not believe that anyone wanting to enter every raffle was deterred by the 100k. But people who cannot afford to enter many raffles were, and thus had much lower chances of wins overall

nocturne grove
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I kind of like this multiple-Troves-with-different-costs-and-item-calibers idea, but--well, yes, what Ruese said, heh. Though, to be fair, Wyrom did valuations pretty well with Shenanigans, so maybe it's not impossible?

zinc thunder
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I always thought the intent of a raffle fee was to help with silver drain.

vital dock
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Put together a list of the current trove offerings, and vote for which category they should be in.

Personally, the profession stuff should be in the 100k trove.
While like, the signature verb should be in the 10k.

fervent vault
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In the past, we have had many calls, going back to caligos, that raffle costs had gotten too large. We were reducing those until last year.

dull veldt
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I definitely agree that raffle prices have creeped back up again and do not like it as much as the prices we've had in (relatively) recent years.

nocturne grove
jagged pagoda
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I imagine that if silver costs for raffles/trove/etc are reduced further than silver costs for event boxes would increase or event boxes would just go away.

Things are priced to keep total silver in circulation amongst all players at certain levels. One thing can't be reduced without something else being increased.

slow oyster
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Trove token prices should scale with the Fibonacci number of the tokens you’re already bought

rich coral
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It limited my entries too, but I personally think that was a good thing, also the variable cost sounds like a ton of work and headache. Needing 3 different npcs, update it so you have three different types of trove to accept the different tokens. The number of assists from "I bought the wrong token help" situations. There's a ton of gm overhead there

limpid matrix
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If an amount is a drop in the bucket for silver rich, but debilitating for the middle/poor then it's too high. Raffles should be the equalizer, the thing that everyone has a chance at getting. They shouldn't be silver drains.

fervent vault
vital dock
thorny plinth
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What was the first day of the trove this year the date? and it ends what the 27th?

stoic karma
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My point, and I think Ptolemy and Leafi’s point (correct me if I’m wrong I don’t want to speak for them) is there is a big price hike for raffles this year over previous years. I can’t imagine “silver drain” isn’t the reason. Raising the prices so drastically feels icky when it’s behind a paywall. That’s my point. A few years ago raffles with multiple winners were priced at 100k and there was push back and the prices went down the following year. Now they are MUCH higher than that.

limpid matrix
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I'm not even poor (well, I wasn't) and I had to stop buying into the Trove. Four going a day, at 100k each over what, 24 days? That adds up.

slow oyster
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I will say honestly I think any change to token prices that involves significantly more systems or categorization is probably a bad idea that will create more problems and we should just limit ourselves to asking is the price of one token too high or too low

zinc thunder
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based on what the items are selling for on the after market... the raffles actually seem underpriced. That's why everyone enters every possible raffle.

I'm going to approach this from a mathematical perspective... When you can enter for 100k, and have 1/200 odds, anything that could be sold for more than 20m silver means you should be entering the raffle.

EDIT- I'm not advocating for a price increase, I'm just saying, based on the math, its a great value to enter the raffles

vital dock
latent idol
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I had thought that trove wasn't really "the new raffle" but was the replacement for unique prizes from digging etc. It ate up more raffles from EG than that though, probably because it's so easy to run

fervent vault
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Im not looking for a magical new coding idea. Just take a zero off the end of raffle fees

jagged pagoda
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Any mechanism where players are giving silvers to staff is a drain in that the silver is being removed from the game. I would be surprised merchant fees, raffles, etc aren't a factor in the long term silver economy goals

slow oyster
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I don’t think merchant fees are a real drop in the bucket to be honest with you. Probably the whole merchant week took in like 10m or so

nocturne grove
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Spirit Beasts alone took in more than that (it was 1m per "everything" service and I'm assuming basically everybody took the "everything" option), but the overall point stands.

stoic karma
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I think, if the median raffle price was 25 or 50k in the past other than those expensive years that got pushback, you could charge 25 or 50k per trove token and since there are both more raffles overall now and single winners instead of multiples, you’d still drain more silvers than in the past and there would be less angst

maiden hawk
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spirit beasts were 1 mil+ (I forget the exact pricing) for full alters

stable pumice
slow oyster
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Ahh, I didn’t go to the spirit beast sessions haha

vital dock
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I think I like the raffle price, because it increases your personal odds and helps to limit how many people MA drop the raffle.

limpid matrix
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If you MA seriously, you probably aren't broke enough that 100k matters.

stoic karma
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People who are MAing the raffle aren’t the ones not buying in for 100k

nocturne grove
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Yeaaaah... no, the Trove price didn't limit me on (the extent of) MAing raffles, the service pass price did. Heh.

Edit: Well, wait, to be fair... I mean, I did put together an EV spreadsheet where I judged some items as fundamentally not worth trying for based on personal valuation. However, that part would have applied even if I only brought a single character.

jagged pagoda
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The prices probably creeped up due to the large amount of custom items available for win.

Staff has explained numerous times that custom wins are valued more highly than what players perceive them to be due to the additional staff time required to work with the player and QC the custom win.

vital dock
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If it were 10k, I think even more people would enter absolutely everything, thus decreasing odds even further.

fervent vault
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I dont mind losing a raffle. Ive lost all of them for decades. I do mind being priced out of a raffle, or feeling like an idiot for spending a month+ of hunting revenue on 10 raffles

steel flume
bitter thunder
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The odds are already terrible, but losing feels worse when you've spent 100k on a chance

stoic karma
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I think the answer is to bring back Big Job Tickets. The GMs love those things

rich coral
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I mean with service passes ma doesn't matter my one premium account could have 10 entries If I wanted to buy that many

slow oyster
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yeah 10m was a terrible estimate, I would not get hired at google, but it is still not in the neighborhood of a real silver drain

fervent vault
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Service passes raffle access was account wide?

hollow steppe
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The 100k price point gave me pause. It made me think about whether I was all in. Or singularly in. So I think it worked. It took a lot of silvers from me. 🙂

slow oyster
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no

zinc thunder
slow oyster
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character

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in prime service passes are character specific

nocturne grove
rich coral
jagged pagoda
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Lot of folks saying the silver drained is not impactful as a whole but then lots of folks saying the silvers they spent was very impactful and influenced their decision making.

Does not compute.

limpid matrix
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Put it on a second account and you can do regular raffles/drag them to merchants

zinc thunder
bitter thunder
hollow steppe
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I spent more than 70m and less than 200m

limpid matrix
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The rich richer, and the poor poorer.

slow oyster
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if the goal is to drain silvers from the billionaires then there isn't really a trove price that will do that, that's a long term project (which wyrom has been working on haha)

nocturne grove
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Okay, finally thought through Alastir's experiment. First pass at pricing things in a 10k, 25k, 50k, 100k setup (with acknowledgment this is colored by my own perspectives):

 
50k: animal companion grooming, custom familiar, custom Fatal Afflares, custom Major Sanctuary, custom spirit servant, enhancive Blood Red Hand, enhancive mask, enhancive Veola, greater chrism holder

25k: custom bolt, custom death message, custom login, custom loresong, custom Singing Sword, custom signature verb, custom sonic armor, custom sonic shield, custom sonic weapon, custom swear
Note: if it was just "custom sonic item," I'd instead file it under 50k

10k: custom coffee, custom leech, custom tea, custom Yansio outfit, greater EZScripts, lesser EZScripts, Siolan dagger```
jagged pagoda
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Your prices are reversed Leafiara because custom stuff requires far more work from staff

fervent vault
steel flume
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I like you but I can't let you disrespect those Veolas.

bitter thunder
hollow steppe
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Not to mention this is more a reflection of what the costs of tokens should be. Not the item that is won. I think.

nocturne grove
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Okay, so wait... then haven't we just proven the point that the 100k entry fee makes sense?

jagged pagoda
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Exactly, that's the point that is being overlooked but fairly certain that is what the staff members that have commented have tried to point out

fervent vault
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Not really? It makes no more sense than 10k

Its just a number. Either we want the number to sting, or we dont. And if we want it to sting…who? And how much?

steel flume
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Don't listen to me. I paid three lofts for a dress. But also, I like the idea of attunement/lower price raffles because I want people to get more chances at stuff that means things to them and their characters.

thorny plinth
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Heres some numbers:

I pulled this from town crier so I could have missed one or two so might not be perfect but I think its a good ballpark

Last year there were 52 raffles with 159 winners, it would have cost you 4,360,000 silver to enter all of them

This year we had 128 raffles and troves combined with 179 winners, it would have cost you 12,925,000 to enter them all this year. (this number DOES NOT include the property trove)

so this puts last years average ticket pricer per raffles at 83,846
and this years at 100,976

limpid matrix
slow oyster
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thank you for doing the actual work while we all chatter hahaha

fervent vault
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And last years are inflated. You had some crazy 200k+ raffles for boats and stuff and full unlocked DR. Gear

nocturne grove
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I miss those kinds of raffles and want them back, to be honest. In fact, I think I said so in the EG Suggestions for 2024 thread!

thorny plinth
steel flume
rich coral
fervent vault
steel flume
fervent vault
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I request literal ‘ OSA anything’ in every form

slow oyster
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I can't read!

nocturne grove
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Heh, I only just edited it in while you were typing. I had accidentally copy/pasted the runestaff and forgotten to overwrite "runestaff." 😂

hollow steppe
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I mean. I don’t consider my spend a drop in the bucket. But percentage wise. Yes it wasn’t a 50% spend.

slow oyster
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that's hilarious, I was like "am I really that out of it" but you were actually EDITING REALITY on me

vital dock
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I don't think we can complain about spending silver while also complaining that theres nothing to spend silver on.

fervent vault
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I dont think those statements are said by the same people often

nocturne grove
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I guess I should probably track my raffle spending. I know my Trove spending, but the others I didn't bother with.

hollow steppe
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This stuff is the thing to spend silver on. Imo. We aren’t going to have another big silver auction anytime soon. It’s 2nd market books (which I don’t buy) and raffles/troves

limpid matrix
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The one winner per draw raises the effective price from a personal level, though. 100k for a single raffle that draws 5 compared to 5 raffles for a single item means that you pay 500k to cover your chances at a thing you want instead of just a flat single entry.

I'm looking at you every custom tea and coffee I entered ...

nocturne grove
slow oyster
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there are just huge disparities in the amount of silver held really and so there are also going to be variable reactions to every silver price

fervent vault
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I mean. Im happy to spend 2-3k shards on the gem pile, because im getting a gem for every 100 shards. Same with raffles. Its not that i spent 1m silver its that I only got 10 entries for that 1m silver

jagged pagoda
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I think it also needs to be pointed out that Gemstone offers 2 primary activities which is combat or roleplaying. Unfortunately roleplaying doesn't earn many silvers if you choose to spend a large amount of time in that fashion.

Definitely the folks generating the most silver are not doing a lot of roleplaying. Or they have multiple accounts feeding silvers to a main account.

nocturne grove
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To be honest, I'm not sure that the people going after custom tea and coffee have much overlap with the--

Dang it, Ruese beat me to it. 🤣

But yeah, I ignored those raffles and Thandiwe's numbers back up that many others did too. Mind you, I do go after custom most-things, but generally I need them to either show up in combat, be global messaging (login/death), or, at absolute least, be something like a signature verb or sanctuary where I can potentially show it off in casual gatherings with little if any prep time (and so no need to carry around a fluff item at all times just in case).

slow oyster
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I can't emphasize enough that despite the significant silver price the effective price of a trove token last year was much higher, so I still consider it a big win

hollow steppe
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2m per token!

fervent vault
limpid matrix
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For sure. It just specifically stings when it's the one thing that is traditionally (imagined or not) an equalizer. People get rich by winning raffles, as we've heard as a reason for entering every raffle you can. If the price is so high that you can't enter every raffle you can then ...? Logic.

slow oyster
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yes, they were somewhat rare drops from trick or treat, which meant that I found I think three tokens and sold them all for shards. I didn't do that many runs last year and I don't have the oversupply of shards that other people might have from previous EGs, so I really needed the shards haha

hollow steppe
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Several years ago I won a low steel shield. That set me on my path of gemstone riches! I had but 2m to my name before that!

nocturne grove
vivid laurel
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10k: custom coffee - this is where subjectivity says, "Heyooo". I would pay a lot more for a chance at custom coffee!

nocturne grove
fervent vault
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I still dont know why 100k is the magic number. A single rate, sure

vivid laurel
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it seems high to me too ¯_(ツ)_/¯

dawn quiver
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99,999 silvers so every feels like they’re getting a deal.

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Or maybe 150k with a 33% off sale?

latent idol
fervent vault
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Ill pay the 100k to avoid mathing that. Ethereal wins. Flawless victory.

vivid laurel
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It's not like you pay $1,000 per raffle ticket for that sweet Ford F150 at the high school ball games. I mean.. it's a raffle.

thorny plinth
plucky marlin
jagged pagoda
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How players choose to interact with the game is always going to differ from how staff designed or intended. A raffle win being resold is something that some players will choose to do but not something that staff intended when designing raffles. Players might view raffles as being an equalizer but it was never an intention or design goal.

The only issue is when game mechanics abuse takes place not when things don't feel fair necessarily. How much fairness needs to be injected? Players that can play more will always have an advantage. Players that make enough disposable income will have an advantage. It's not fair that more offerings seem to take place in the evening versus daytime if you happen to work night shifts a lot. What about time zones?

Games present an illusion of fairness.

nocturne grove
latent idol
plucky marlin
fervent vault
jagged pagoda
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I specifically mentioned reselling

gleaming hamlet
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I think the tea-dragon release was the best model, release 15 items.... 5 are totally free to enter, 5 are a decent amount of silver to enter 1m+, and 5 are a substantial amount 50k currency (paid if won).....

latent idol
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fwiw I could have afforded to enter every raffle on multiple characters but wouldn't, because i'm too risk averse. if I really wanted something my plan would have been to just buy it on the resell

jagged pagoda
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For sure, raffles are designed to allow a player to acquire an auction quality item without having to compete or pay an auction level price. But as far as reselling a win to become silver or currency rich, no.

fervent vault
latent idol
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well yeah, they stopped raffling the 2 billion silver value items

thorny plinth
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okay its 5pm EST now lets all scatter and circle back around to all the same arguments at 9am? yea?

nocturne grove
slow oyster
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I expect to hold the same position later unless I win the draw today in which case I'll update my priors

fair creek
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My very cynical outlook, FWIW, is that there is very little about the current state of GS that is inherently fair. Ruese mentioned time zones as one. I pay the same sub as every other Premium account player (in fact I pay more because I get charged an international transaction fee too) yet because I live outside the US, I have less opportunities for accessing merchants, regular raffles and storylines. Is that fair? Not really. Those that play the game predominantly for RP are less likely to generate the silvers needed to access all the raffles in the Trove and win (or buy from the winners) the neat prizes ironically aimed at role players. It’s something I’ve just had to come to terms with and have no energy left to debate.

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It is what it is and nothing is likely to change. 🤷

jagged pagoda
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EG takes place during one of the busiest times of the year in regard to my job. The cost of the trove is acceptable to me because I would not have been able to participate in the vast majority of these offerings had they been offered as a raffle. I'd pay 200k or more for the chance to win many of these offerings, especially the custom ones.

analog orbit
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So far my impression of the troves is that they have terrible odds. I really loved the idea of being able to not have to be signed in, but I dunno.. I just feel for some reason that I have no chance of winning them. Of the 75+ troves I've entered I've won 0 and none of my friends who I know enter 3-4 daily have won any either. Compared to that of the 20+ raffles I entered I won 2. Why raffles would be better odds? I dunno.. they just feel that way. So far I'm walking away from the troves feeling like I really have no chance and am pretty much just throwing my money away. Maybe they're just getting far more entries than the raffles ever do so the odds are horrible. Hearing multiple people won up to 2-4 troves was also disheartening for the mere reason I haven't won even one and I dunno anyone who has. How to fix it? I dunno. I guess the reason I like the raffles more could be because they're transparent and you know who won? I dislike not knowing who won. I get the reason behind it but it feels so secretive for some reason that it makes me feel I have less of a chance. I do LOVE the idea of them though.. It's not a complaint, just my and a few people I've talked toos general feeling about the trove.

void helm
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1 person won 4, 1 person won 3.

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I understand, to an extent, your frustration about not winning a trove item, but you won 2 raffles. I'm sure the people that also entered 20 raffles but didn't win feel the same way about raffles this go around that you do about the trove.

analog orbit
latent idol
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Getting two raffle wins means you're in like the top 10 for winners

inner ridge
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the only thing i've ever won in any of the troves was an enhancive that turned out to be in an illegal location so i had to assist to get it nerfed into something nobody would want

void helm
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I will say that I don't think the Troves are getting more entries than raffles. I think the opposite is true.

analog orbit
latent idol
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Winning any at all is still lucky. Most people win none.

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You also won a desired spin.

analog orbit
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Oh I'm not saying poor me. I'm saying overall my sense from troves is they are horrible odds when compared to raffles. Maybe I'm completely off base, but my experience has me feeling that way. I LOVE troves though! Some of the custom stuff being offered is just amazing stuff. Lets a girl dream!

latent idol
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Based on entrants shared, trove is usually better odds. Sometimes not

void helm
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So there were approximately 27 raffles offering 99 wins. 69% of winners won once. The only difference between raffles and Trove is that 69% of raffle winners won 1 time, while in the Trove 56% won 1 time. (Again, Trove isn't complete so I don't have all those numbers and I'll have to run a lot to get the data to be 100% complete)

slow oyster
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based on the raffles that I looked at, the trove definitely has better odds because it has on average fewer participants (although I'm not totally sure why it has fewer participants)

latent idol
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Ooh, i wasnt too far off. Little low. Maybe... 130 people won at least one combined

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And the number of e.g. participants isn't shared. I normally placeholder 500 but it's probably higher due to trove. Maybe 700

void helm
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Some fun info here, too. 7% of people entered 2 raffles and another 7% entered 16

analog orbit
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I love hearing numbers. Then i go back and start crunching. Lol. I know I entered almost all the raffles except the master crafters stuff, sorcerer stuff, or any of the weapon stuff. So if there were 27 raffles I prolly entered more like 15.

void helm
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Oddly enough....

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Of 99 potential wins...

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Only 75 went out in raffles due to forfeits. Causing the other 24 items to be spun for or re-raffled.

latent idol
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13 failed to meet criteria?

void helm
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So almost 25%

latent idol
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We'll just assume the illiteracy rate in GS is 25% then. Wtb education system.

analog orbit
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Yeah I saw the werepuppy one. I couldn't believe that... That's actually one I entered. And I was present for the Finval crystal when everyone was yelling at the poor guy who won so he forfeited it.

void helm
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It happened twice!

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and Finvale Crystal had two as well.

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Anyway, just some fun with numbers.

latent idol
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Numbers don't lie. Except 7. Never trust 7...

void helm
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Yea...

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I mean, look what he did to 9.

latent idol
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Fat bastard

void helm
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haha

nocturne grove
# slow oyster based on the raffles that I looked at, the trove definitely has better odds beca...

The non-Trove raffles where I remembered/was awake to check the tickets shortly before they drew had:

272 for 1 winner (forehead gem)
256 for 1 winner (starsong dagger erithi hairsticks)
261 for 2 winners (teadragon)
303 for 8 winners (werepuppy)
133 for 1 winner (Globus Naidem runestaff)
120 for 5 winners (Basketifier foods)
115 for 5 winners (more Basketifier foods)
133 for 5 winners (magma flare tokens)
149 for 1 winner (another Globus Naidem runestaff; might have been a bit more since I checked 15ish minutes before it drew and then forgot to return)
123 for 3 winners (Finvale Crystal)
71 for 2 winners (Finvale Crystal do-over)
126 for 1 winner (Blacksmith Companion)
225 for 1 winner (shifting perfume vial)
158 for 1 winner (Herblore Tome; might have been a bit more; I checked 20ish minutes before it drew)
120 for 1 winner (T5 Whodoo Doll; was definitely more; I checked 70ish minutes before it drew)
111 for 1 winner (custom tub)
118 for 2 winners (T4 auto-perfumer)```
I'd generally say the Trove has better odds than single-winner raffles, but worse odds than multiple-winner raffles. Some exceptions apply!

Edit: A few more I forgot, the best odds of all due to being so niche:
```26 for 3 winners (permified cobbling dye; might have been slightly more; I checked 15ish minutes before it drew)
27 for 3 winners (permanent cobbling upper maker)
22 for 3 winners (permanent cobbling plate maker)```
slow oyster
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Forehead gems maintain their dominance haha

limpid matrix
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Oh Herblore Tome, how I weep for you

nocturne grove
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Edited in details on the cobbling ones too. Really serves to underscore my related point elsewhere about how much value you can extract from merchant week if you chase the low competition niche offerings!

zinc thunder
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RE: the forfeits. A 5 minute window to show up and or claim is tough (although the GMs do usually extend them a bit). I was very fortunate to win one raffle, and was even more lucky that someone IMd me on here to tell me i won.
Was i planning on being in the room for the raffle? Yes.
Did my kids want me to do something with them that pulled me away? Yes.
Family is going to “win” that every time.

Life happens! a little empathy goes a long ways!

thorny plinth
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someone IMd me 😂 psssst your age is showing

twin summit
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So does being respectful of everyone else’s time. Raffles are run by human beings who put a lot of effort into crafting and preparing the options for you to win. They’re often fit into a tight schedule of additional work AFTER the raffle. The rules are clear enough before entering.

zinc thunder
thorny plinth
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I assume this falls into the this makes more work for GMs not less work catagory of why.

latent idol
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It also sounded like maybe half the forfeits were "didn't read ticket" more than didn't show up. Weren't eligible to win.

zinc thunder
zinc thunder
thorny plinth
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looks like were puppy had a no show, leech jar lists a respin with no reason listed as to why, finval crystal had two respins due to people not wanting it, whoodoo doll has a respin no reason listed. thats all thats noted on TC. 6 items not sure if there are more listed or not someplace else

latent idol
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I think the leech jar came with custom leeches, which she wanted to collect the design there

thorny plinth
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the werepuppy comes with a grooming too.

latent idol
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There were more than a few "will mail winner" raffles too.

zinc thunder
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If those were the only in person ones... it makes a little more sense to me. I thought there were more. Although I would still argue the "pre-made" werepuppies were so unique that winning one without the grooming/customization would still be an incredible win. I did not get to see the "pre-made" leeches, so can't speak to that. I just hate to see someone lose a win because they couldn't appear in a 5 minute window.

Just to make sure i'm not misconstrued... I'm not complaining about how things have been. I'm just begging the question "could they be different"

hollow steppe
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I’ve entered every raffle last year. And the year before. I don’t think I won any of them. Only way to beat the odds is to keep rolling the dice! Hot dog! Heck. I put over 300 tokens into the wehnimers landing property trove win. I had great odds. I lost.

vivid laurel
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Werepuppy raffles are sort of unique in that Avaluka always makes more puppies than she delivers every year, so that the winners can have sort of a "pick from the litter" moment and select their puppy of choice, with a dwindling selection the further down the list you are in spin order. It's really one of the most fun moments at EG for me, even to just watch every year. I was lucky enough to win one that first year, but I keep going back just to see what she's made every year since.

vital dock
void helm
void helm
vital dock
thorny plinth
void helm
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heh

vital dock
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Also props to Avaluka for making 8 werepuppies available in the raffle. The highest prize count for a raffle out of all of them.

spiral dune
# vital dock Now that we have the MAIL system, I don't think there should be required, must s...

Many of us do that or just stealth move it into a container on the logged in character. However, not everything has to be standardized to the back of beyond, and I think it's still nice to allow GMs some autonomy on how they want to distribute their items, since we are all individuals and have our own ways of doing things.

This allows us to have a wide variety of distribution methods so players have options for what they like.

vital dock
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I would think that if there are simple steps a person could take to make someone happy, and avoid a possible complaint, that they would take those steps. But I guess autonomy is important too, even at the cost of someone losing a prize with 1/300 odds.

I wonder if any players like the 5 minute rule, and WHY they like the 5 minute rule.

thorny plinth
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;bigraffle when?

spiral dune
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I totally get where you are coming from, Alastir, but you will never make everyone happy. There are still players who are like "why do afk people get to win" too, so having options is good.

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It's not just sheerly about autonomy, and I think I made that pretty clear, but in case I didn't, I'm clarifying now.

vital dock
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Not giving someone a prize they won because another player wants the AFK person to lose is not a good reason.

spiral dune
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The primary key there is....having options.

zinc thunder
vital dock
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Options are good, sure. Which is more important in your opinion. The GM having options, or the player not losing out on a very hard to win raffle prize?

spiral dune
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And again, I did say that many of us have moved to a model of "need to be in the lands, don't need to be awake" for raffles. That's really a lot of the norm.

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You're trying to make this some sort of "anti-player" stance when it isn't.

vital dock
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I'm pretty sure the person who DM'd me to complain about not making it in 5 minutes and losing a werepuppy feels like the rules are pretty anti-player.

hollow steppe
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I'm a big proponent of if the rules are regulations are posted ahead of time. That's on you. Not the rules.

thorny plinth
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Its annoying that I even have to be subbed to win a raffle, what can we do about that?/s

vital dock
thorny plinth
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another rule! when will they end dramatic death

zinc thunder
high lodge
vital dock
high lodge
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I was afk when they pulled!

vital dock
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Oh, actually, I won 1/10 alter books. So yes, props to you too! haha

nocturne grove
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Yeah, I didn’t remember to check the alter books within three and seven hours of them drawing respectively, but they were at 112 entries when I did look. The odds inevitably would have ended up pretty good just on sheer number of winners!

high lodge
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Especially for the one guy who won both

tranquil meteor
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We need a singing wand in the trove… some new magic item with an obnoxious loud voice that requires tons of magic item use to utilize… you wave it at an item and it will get the loresong unlocked for an hour or two. Maybe give it 3 charges per day or something. Allow it to give itself its own musical accompaniment that varies between a banjo, a ukulele, a kazoo, idk annoying instruments. Oh and they are out of tune..

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Failure on the MIU roll should be random damage and a bleeder wound to your head (your ears are bleeding)

spiral dune
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Just a reminder to check your email, check your spam folder, etc. and see if a GM has emailed you about your trove wins! I have 3 winners who have not responded to my initial emails (all my emails state you should reply ASAP to let me know you received it). 1 is a sig verb (Plat), 1 is a private property mood messaging (Prime), 1 is an Animal Companion Grooming (Prime). If you received it and just didn't read/follow the directions about letting me know, please do so now!

candid sierra
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Can someone remind me how trove tokens work? Are they found from doing the games or purchased with currency(assuming shards being eg). Is it a 1 token max entry or as many as you wanna go?

steady mango
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They're purchased for 100,000 silvers, 1 entry per pull, no lock out for winning.

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#1153419385671790652 message

candid sierra
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Thank you! I thought that was the case..but then all the various trove mutations meshed together in my head.

bitter thunder
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ITEM TEASERS

void helm
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You see <a coffin>.

bitter thunder
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Fixprof to VAMPIRE

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There's also a sarcophagus that makes you a MUMMY

dull veldt
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I have that! It's actually the mask inside which makes you look like a mummy, which is one of those death masks; the sarcophagus was just the container it and the pendant were stored in.

bitter thunder
dull veldt
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Yeah! It was a jackpot prize a few years back, combo of a death mask and tombstone jewelry that were mummy themed. Very cute.

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You see someone vaguely resembling yourself, but dead.
She is short and appears to be very young. She has glowing unearthly green eyes and desiccated brown skin. She has long, sleek shimmering grey-black hair wreathed by an elaborate blue and gold cloth headdress. She has a bandage-wrapped face, a shrunken nose and a golden crown topped with a bejeweled cobra and gilded vulture.

Faintly visible on the face of the pendant is the image of a glowing granite obelisk gravemarker.
Looking closely, you see some miniscule detailing on the gravemarker. Wreathed in an unearthly yellow-green glow, the obelisk is a magnificent piece of craftsmanship from a single piece of black pearl granite. Burnished electrum adorns the pyramid atop the gravemarker, while sigils outlined in gold have been inscribed along all four tapering sides.
There appears to be something engraved on the gravemarker. It reads, "May the Gods bless the eternal soul of XXX as she journeys into the Afterlife."
The image of the gravemarker is currently cast in shadow.

vernal sun
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WOW.
The kid in me who LOVES ancient Egypt and all the THINGS is incoherent with glee at that.

inner ridge
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is there going to be details on the new troves?

void helm
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I've posted multiple things.

hollow steppe
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Any more teasers on the ole item trove?! 🙂

proper mirage
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On what day does the trove begin?

steady mango
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11th

proper mirage
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Thank you!

void helm
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Trove
Now Running from 11th (with first draw on the 12th) through the 2nd of November.

Gavelsdown Troves
We have 84 customizations going out in the Trove this year, as a result, we have to create a fifth trove so that we can also get out our items. We also have to extend it by 2 days to ensure we have enough days to get all the items into player hands.

Some items are profession restricted and winner attuned. Those items are:
AC Grooming (Ranger Restricted – 3 offerings), Sonic Armor/Shield/Swords/Singing Sword (Bard Restricted – 3 offerings), Nexus Orb Teleportation Msg (Cleric – 3 Offerings), Transfer (Empath - 3 offerings, Wizard Familiar Talisman (Wizards – 3 offferings), Nightmare (Sorcerer – 3 offerings), Cman Tackle (Warrior – 5 offerings), Cman Sweep (Rogue – 5 offerings).

Non-attuning offerings are:
Custom Puppy (1 offering), Custom Leech (1 offering), Spirit Servant (2 offerings), Swear (3 offerings), LogPhrase (3 offerings), Signature Verb (3 offerings), Bolt (3 offerings), Perfume (3 offerings), Coffee (3 offerings), Tea (3 offerings), Tobacco (3 offerings), Candy Tin (3 offerings), Loresong (3 offerings), Fatal Afflares (5 offerings), Illusion Pin ( 3 offerings), Ezscript 2-verb Add (3 offerings), Ezscript 5-verb Add (3 offerings), Major Sanctuary (3 offerings), Death Messaging (3 offerings).

The Item Trove will have the following offerings:
a diminutive ebonwood coffin (scripted coffin w. dead pet raccoon), a custom prayer idol certificate, an alum-inlaid ebonwood box (Thelsia Jewelry Box w. ezscripted & enhancive bracelet), a painted silk gift cloth (Gift Cloth w. ezscripted & enhancive bangle), a mirror-finish golvern popcorn kettle (auction quality popcorn kettle), a rounded ghezyte thigh-sheath( 4x ghezyte blackjack w. disintegrate flares), a caliginous ghezyte cage (animalistic idol – eel), a thin staff tube (6x surita runestaff w. least moods, 20/12 acuity, and animalistic), a thin-edged golvern knife (+5 Survival, fully unlocked scrimshaw knife), a slender doeskin sheath (Hidey Sheath, Knavish Knife w. +5 Survival Bonus), some ebon rusalkysk brigandine (5x Crit Padded), a silvery crushed silk bag (Yfane, Forehead Gem), a spectral agate teabowl (Teadragon), a rustic twig basket (fully unlocked/customized basketifier w. unique food), a dark grey mykal sack (fully unlocked Zelotiole Alsira, celsylk alter fodder, KWTS sash), a hart skull mask (Stick-mounted Mask w. 10 Stalk/Hide), a mount feature certificate (Custom Feature for Mount), a distressed bistre leather case (Fully unlocked Nail Press w. Customs & Nail Polish-inator, & 2 unique polishes), a misted sapphire ring (Mist Armor Ring – Winner sets armor), an elaborate leather bridle (custom mount LOOK), and a semi-custom market stall certificate.

All profession restricted trove wins are restricted to the character that entered.

The Roof Over Troves
The private property trove will also be running during the same time. However, we have 27 options for it and only 21 days. As a result, we are going to move 6 items (the Artwork Add and the Mail Box Add) to raffles during merchant week.

That leaves the following in the trove that are restricted to Non-Bungalow Owners: Room Add (3), Shrine Add (3), and Workshop Add (3).

It also leaves the following all property offerings: Move a Property (3), Mood Messaging (3), Bird/Bugs/Critter (3), and Food Additions (3).

All property trove items are attuned to the account.

void helm
ocean valve
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is the raccoon dead dead or somewhat un-dead?

vivid laurel
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I hope you have added some stuff that would keep a bungalow owner from being able to put a token in for room add, shrine add, workshop add, because it's just GONNA happen (Murphy's Law and all that) if it's not been coded for.

rich coral
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I assume it uses the same logic as the class attunement stuff that prevents only those classes from entering, they have a list of all owners, it's what they used last year, so they probably just use that same logic except the "class" restriction is "this list" restriction

high lodge
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I mean, it's not an automatic process. At some point a live person is going to say "you are not eligible for this service"

vivid laurel
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Plus I bet we get people who already have workshops putting tokens in for the workshop add.... (I'm just such a downer, aren't I??)

storm trail
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I'm sure this has been asked before but I can't find the answer: is the reason that the bungalows are disallowed from the private property stuff a technical decision, like they're coded differently? Or is it a product decision?

rich coral
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The only things they are disallowed are the room adds, which are the only things that don't work for them afaik

void helm
void helm
void helm
vivid laurel
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What a neat Discord avatar decoration btw! It even has acorns!

bitter thunder
vivid laurel
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oh it's cute too!

bitter thunder
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Thanks!

solar dew
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Appreciate the heads up. I haven't checked yet, but out of curiosity, will Shattered be getting the item drove?

void helm
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Good question.... (adds to her list for discussion)

solar dew
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Thanks for looking into it. The troves tend to be a fun way for our newer members of Shattered to get some good gear.

empty ruin
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What time do the troves open?

hollow steppe
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9 Eastern I believe. But they don't draw until tomorrow.

empty ruin
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ty

analog orbit
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On this list it says the spirit servant is not an attuned service but the certificate says it is. Just checking.

lunar furnace
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It was maybe accidentally left off the list like the Major Sanct ones, but I guess we'll see!

void helm
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I think there is a misunderstanding. The spirit servant is not RESTRICTED but it is attuned.

upbeat ivy
void helm
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I think both, but I'd have to check in a bit.

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It definitely attunes to the redeemer.

nocturne grove
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For whatever it's worth, last year's custom Spirit Servant certs only attuned to the redeemer. (I know this because Discord history shows a post from a person who sold one of them.) Hopefully it's that way again or we might see an ugly mess. 😄

upbeat ivy
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And I was one of those buyers 😁

void helm
void helm
idle flicker
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Not sure if you know but the trove in the "The Roof Over" hasn't been started in Plat

void helm
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I know. It had too many certificates added to it and I need to pull some out since there are reduced numbers for Platinum.

rose lintel
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The bracelet in the ebonwood box is rogue only but the box appears to be general access. Sorta confusing. Can non rogues win the box and give it to a rogue alt?

stiff oriole
rose lintel
stiff oriole
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Huh. You're right. Interesting.

slow oyster
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The item doesn’t attune so yes, you can give it to a rogue if you win

bitter thunder
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The enhancive bonus is rogue only, I believe

void helm
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Correct, just the enhancive bonus.

ancient pulsar
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n

idle flicker
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Just a heads up the trove in The Roof Over is still not working in Plat

void helm
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I'm aware. I'm still working on getting it out. Platinum doesn't have as many offerings as Prime does, so you won't be missing anything.

rose lintel
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Where and when are trove winners announced?

slow oyster
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They aren’t, but you will be notified when you are online if you won

void helm
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The minute you log in (and again a little after) you'll get a monster bold message that you won. You can also go to the Trove and try to get the item out of the rack. If you can, you won.

idle flicker
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Ok Thanks Thandiwe

void helm
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Its open now, Sarafeina

rose lintel
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I thought I read this somewhere but can find it now - only one entry into the treasure trove per service pass? or character?

candid sierra
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For eg, one entry per item.

ocean valve
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is there any limit to how many troves you can win?

fossil raft
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As in, you're not blocked from winning a 2nd or 3rd this year, no. So if you want something, go for it.

balmy haven
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Bugs (Any Property) or Sea Critters (Ocean Properties only) (3 Prime/1 Platinum) What about birds? I don't want bugs and I don't have an ocean property.

vivid laurel
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Pretty sure it's also Birds, but the certificate mentions only bugs when the item is inspected. (The pins here say "Birds/Bugs/Critters")

void helm
balmy haven
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Thank you, Thandiwe.

analog orbit
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Are some of the troves not announcing the winners? I was sitting at one and it never said who won, it just took the item off and moved it and replaced it with the next. Does it only announce if you entered?

void helm
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They should all announce but I've not actually been in the rooms to confirm it. If you are concerned that it may have announced you, then you can attempt to take the item in the rack. It will prevent you if you didn't win.

analog orbit
hollow steppe
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If they are not logged in. It won’t announce

vital dock
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It would be nice if they always announced the winner.

void helm
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I think we've discussed this before, but there are several players that prefer not to have their win announced because they don't want the whispers.

analog orbit
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I kinda like that it's more hush hush with it not being broadcast around the whole game. The only reason I asked was because I was specifically sitting there so I didn't miss out on a win by not seeing the after message but it didn't come so I was curious.

vital dock
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Can I have all my wins not announced without logging out

hollow steppe
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But I want to message you sir.

void helm
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What does the dusty stick emoji mean?

hollow steppe
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Ha. In another friend group I use it as something I disagree with! It’s like I’m dusting you with it playfully. Like if someone says I’m going to bed and it’s 9. I dusty stick them

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I believe it originated from the super troopers movie. When he pulls over the foreign couple and he tickles him with the feather

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My dusty sticks are cheeky and fun

void helm
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Ah, I see!

candid sierra
analog orbit
candid sierra
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Has anyone else had troubles with the Property trove certs being attuned to another character as you claim them? >redeem my cert
This item is restricted to another account, so you are unable to redeem it.

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I just picked this up tonight and analyze had it already attuned to another character. Friend of mine is in the assist queue as well for what might be the same issue, attuned to another character.

chrome tangle
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Let me look and see @candid sierra

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If that happened with anyone else, please let me know and I'll get it fixed up.

candid sierra
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I get a blank response when I try to redeem cert inside my property.

chrome tangle
chrome tangle
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The above issue with the private property vouchers is resolved. If you had one that was not working, it should now - without any intervention from a GM.

balmy haven
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Question: I won a custom bolt and I want to use it for a wizard character of mine who does not have a service pass. Can she redeem it without a service pass? And get the service?

void helm
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Yes.

balmy haven
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Hooray!!!!

void helm
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Only the profession ones are attuned.

jagged pagoda
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The platinum private property trove is empty but I'm not certain we ever got the move a property.

chrome tangle
balmy haven
# void helm Only the profession ones are attuned.

Thandiwe, when you say only the profession ones are attuned, does that mean only the wizard that WINS the custom familiar parchment can USE it? Or just that only wizards can put tokens in the drawer for it?

swift spoke
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Both, if you inspect the cert it says it character attunes (the certs that can be passed off don’t have that line)

balmy haven
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thanks

balmy haven
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Actually I don't see anything on the parchment that says it character attunes. Just that it is restricted to entrants of the wizard profession.

swift spoke
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Hmm 🤔

void helm
balmy haven
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Thank you for the info, Thandiwe.

idle flicker
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I redeemed a fully custom familiar about a week ago, how long does it usually take to hear back?

void helm
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I've been a bit tied up in Merchant week. I have been trying to get through them as time permits

idle flicker
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No worries I’ll check back next week if I don’t hear anything..

void helm
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So, I've sent all my emails out and am caught up. However, someone's email keeps being kicked back to you.

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I've tried all iterations of it.

idle flicker
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@void helm ok well I checked my email and it’s correct. I haven’t received a email. I’ve gotten emails from other GM’s before with no problems.

void helm
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I DM'd you

balmy haven
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Thandiwe, I won the mount feature certificate. When I read it, it says, "This service provides the ability to customize all of the customizable features of an owned mount." Does that mean I can do the whole mount with it (all the customizable, not locked in features, I mean)? For some reason I was thinking it was going to be a single feature. But my brain is very tired. I'm certain not as tired as yours is.

void helm
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All fields can be customized

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This is like saying you won features customization for your character. And it says all. So that's eyes, skin, height, body, hair,, etc.

balmy haven
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Thank you. Sadly, unicorns can only customize coat, yes?

void helm
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I honestly don't remember.

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Did you check the wiki?

balmy haven
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On the wiki page for unicorn features it says 'only coat' so apparently everything else on unicorns would be hard-coded? Can I make one pink? LOL

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There are just as many fields on a unicorn as on other mounts. But the ostler won't touch some of them.

spiral dune
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If it is a delayed service, you will typically get an email from the GM doing the redemption of that delayed service, and they can work out all the details with you, btw

analog orbit
balmy haven
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Well, I'm going to give my certificate to a friend who REALLY REALLY wants to do her unicorn, which was why I asked. She gave me a custom bolt for my wizard when she won it. My wizard badly needed a custom Major Fire... in purple

analog orbit
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That's amazingly sweet! Have your friend keep us in the loop! sharing is half the fun! And yeah! I won the custom flare on my runestaff... dragons.. have been acquired. Purple fire though! That sounds amazing!

balmy haven
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Well, her custom fam she won years ago at an EG (skeletal-winged bat) has violet light in the ambients so I wanted her fire to match. Managed to get violet lightning already.

balmy haven
void helm
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No, you can't do pink....

dull veldt
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Does anyone know what the idol up in the south parlor is right now? It's inside a ghezyte cage, so the inspect only shows info about the cage itself.

twin summit
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eel themed animal spirit totem, based on the intial trove post

dull veldt
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Thank you! I somehow missed that teaser.

twin summit
dull veldt
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Er, I saw the teaser, missed that line of it, to be precise.

chrome tangle
# balmy haven Thank you. Sadly, unicorns can only customize coat, yes?

For this service, it's a little different in that you can change those features (even if they are unchangeable at the Ostler) - EXCEPT in the case of something that has specific restrictions (like one of the lizards... I forget which one now.) But anyway, as Thandiwe said, you can't do purple hair on a unicorn but you could change it to another neutral color - something that would make sense. You can change up the quirks. You can change the eye colors. There's lots of options. Best thing to do is to get with me and start a discussion about what you want.