#People can't afford nice things thread

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shy gulch
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Are any mailboxes included

drifting reef
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going to put a price up there?

snow estuary
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120k BS and I’ll give you back 5 of the slips? I’ll also agree not to sell the other 10 slips, they’ll only go back into the bungalow.

snow estuary
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I get that, makes sense if the slips are moving.

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50k and I’ll give you all the slips back?

warm vessel
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this markup is worse than the fusion links you bought to flip 😬

Good luck with the sale

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I often ask the same of your merchanting practices 😆 EDIT: Messages were deleted. I'm not just talking to myself 😉

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I'm not sure anyone is an expert at GS pricing, I am certainly not. All we know are the highest bids people were willing to make at an auction. Averages out around 110 mil. I'd say it's worth between 80 and 140 mil.

All sales for the KF neighborhood: 115 mil, 110 mil, 110 mil, 110 mil, 80 mil, 91 mil, 120 mil, 105 mil, 99 mil, 100 mil, 135 mil, 140 mil

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But by my own admission I'm not an expert, and I do actually wish you luck with the sale.

snow estuary
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One person listing a couple slips for 20k — and still not appearing to move them — does not a pricing floor make. But that’s why I suggested the price I did, you can still make 200-300% profit on my offer. 🤷‍♂️

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Ok, then you can still make 300 to 400% profit.

warm vessel
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Sure - I don't like it. That doesn't really mean much at the end of the day. It's not a practice unique to you either, buy a limited qty highly sought after item then sell for profit. It's a practice I generally dislike within GS and was one of the things I was happy to see lessen with the HESS changes over the past few DRs. The pricing you cited here struck me as an outlier, similar to another sale you made and I pointed out. You did sell it, so your price proved to be the right one there, and it might here too.

snow estuary
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I want to drive up the price of the alter certs you’d retain, by agreeing to attune the other 10 to the bungalow and not have them enter the market pool at all.

rancid timber
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So I'll say this:

Once the certs were sold for 50k each in RW and people latched out to that, it completely made the Middle-Class Properties no longer middle-class. And I get it. It's your hustle, and that's how GS works. There's a lot to blame going around in that regard, and I knew it was going to happen because I'm sure people went in it with the best of intentions. But at this rate? It's now another private property. Not a middle-class one.

Let's consider that two NON middle-class properties sold for less than 500k BS in February. Once you and others started pricing the slips at 2k dollars, it completely ruined everything for now and the future.

I knew it was going to happen because the creed is greed. And it happened anyway. But this is where we're at.

Do as you're going to do, fam. But it ruins any future releases because people are going to latch on to the slips, and we're back at this problem again.

snow estuary
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I have my feelings on it all — but I was trying to find a reasonable offer I thought you might take. I hear it’s not the price you want. My goal was to make an offer where you would cash out with what you paid, plus have an extra 5 slips to sell.

rancid timber
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Facts are facts, mistakes or not. And I'm happy for them. I mean that. I'm happy for their purchases and I know those two in particular are going to RP and rock it. I couldn't be more stoked for them.

The point remains: Just with the slips at the value they're going or being pushed for because of how RW listed them, the properties are no longer middle-class. Once it became visible, it became the pushing point. It's why most just won't talk about it and pretend like it isn't the case. People will hustle just on the value of the slips alone, and we're back at this problem again.

I get the game, and it sucks. But it is what it is. I'm just not afraid to call it out.

snow estuary
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I’m good — I have no problem making what I believe is a reasonable offer. I hear it’s not what you want. 🤷‍♂️

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Hah. Yeah, no I do just fine.

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I can only accept offers that result in 400% profit. That’s just how buying and selling works.

cloud lava
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People can't afford nice things thread

warm vessel
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That got an audible laugh. I was going to drop out of the thread but worth this last comment to say that was well done. 😆

twilit compass
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A few things here...

  1. Players are within their right to sell things at a loss or at a huge mark-up
  2. And you are also within your rights to have feelings about that, but definitely make sure you do those about the item/sale and not the seller.
  3. These middle-class properties were released as part of an auction and as a new experiment. Do not expect to see the same # of alteration slips going forward with future expansions, should we do them (do not NOT expect it either -- these things are subject to change). I do not think you can draw a lot of specific, definitive conclusions about the state of middle-class properties based off this initial offering, including the certs being sold at RW
  4. If you're using an error in minimum bid to help justify your argument, that's probably just not going to be supportable. Yes, it happened, so while you can point to it, you cannot truly draw definitive conclusions off of it. People were confused, etc.
rancid timber
# twilit compass A few things here... 1. Players are within their right to sell things at a loss ...

I don't think this was ever in dispute here. I've said, repeatedly, that this is the game and understand that's how it goes. I have expressed my frustrations, and how the slips HAVE played a factor. They just totally have. This lends to your point of #3 of your statement and conversations that have REFERENCED it in comparison to the ones offered in RW as a pricing point. If this changes based on what has transpired, then I think it'll be for the better.

I will keep on with the keep on, but I don't think any of the points I made were flawed, and think they were important to voice based on what has transpired. I'll continue to be respectful, continue to press on, and hope to get one and continue to hope that this experiment will be tweaked for a fair shake for all.

cloud lava
rancid timber
green cipher
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Can we move it someplace else? How about a mechanics forum post about "Brainstorming Middle Class Properties"?

cloud lava
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Is there much else to say

grand nova
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On another episode of "Only Alastir...." truly entertaining the GS community with these shenanigans

green cipher
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Yardie seems to believe there is, and while I've seen enough of the KF conversations to have some idea, if he wants to get them out, I'm all for it. But maybe not in marketplace.

cloud lava
rancid timber
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Continue to sell it. It's yours to do as you wish.

Again, we keep on with the keep on.

grand nova
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The idea that the slips could be sold for more than double what the property should be valued at is kinda gross plus the fact that said property is now being sold as well. Its like capalism crushing the dreams of ppl who would actually use/value said property. Not saying its wrong just feels yucky.

cloud lava
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I didn't set the price of them.

grand nova
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They should have been attuned to the specific bungalow.simple.

rancid timber
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You're only highlighting what I said, but again, I will take what Xynwen said and just hope, and work.

twilit compass
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I didn't say to just hope and not express opinions.

cloud lava
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And I still might claim the property.

grand nova
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Alastir needs a good Wall Street pre-name, I am trying to think of a good one

rancid timber
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I got you, Xynwen. I'm just behaving.

fresh heart
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I just don't know how big a market there is for the design slips outside of the bungalows. I bought a few bungalow ones at a huge discount because they didn't need all 15 of them but I wonder how many of the 50k ones actually sold. I also feel like most non-MCP are pretty well set up to either allow for few usages for the slips or they just don't require them.

twilit compass
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We should also keep this not focused on a specific person but rather the issue at hand. And that is probably, as Alsemer said, best done in a non-marketplace thread.

cloud lava
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I think as the offerings grow the need will grow.

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Once we can create links we will want to alter them

fresh heart
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Yeah that's the big thing right now. They need to be used on an existing object and most of those in pre-designed properties already have shows/details.

cloud lava
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I think it depends on where, when and who designed it

warm vessel
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They look like really neat spots, whoever ends up with it will likely be happy with it. I know I cited auction prices earlier, but it's not unusual for new things to be undervalued in a live auction either. It seems the process for these neighborhoods is still ongoing, which is likely a good thing 🙂

cloud lava
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A lot of the older properties aren't as complete

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The original kraken property went for 2 million I believe

green cipher