#[Duskruin] Mania Replacement

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indigo cipher
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shenanigans was "cost to play" which does make it sound like you get chosen, pay some amount of scrip, and might win or lose. I'd expect consolation prizes though

torpid shale
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I’m terrible at games

oblique otter
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Since I'm pretty much done spending for this DR I plan on bringing a tiny amount of scrip and hoping for a fun time and a consolation prize 🙂

next magnet
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Wyrom said that if you also just want to not hang out at shenanigans there will be a “take your door prize and leave” option

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I am also interested to understand more about the gambling/competing aspect

mortal ledge
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Hopefully the prices at shenanigans will be for the masses, and in the spirit of a giveaway vs a sale

hybrid garden
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Is the door prize a 4x RPA?

modest mauve
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Or he'll turn your weapon into a banana. 50/50

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(I have no idea)

hybrid garden
tropic monolith
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the way it sounded to me, was that Wyrom would like spin for x number of "players" and then they would compete at a chance to what I assume would be buy something or win something, I may be way off but I'm guessing most things in the gameshow night are gonna need a lot less BS than usual

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but like you wouldn't need to "pay" unless you won

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I look forward to seeing how it goes, but I also feel it'll just be 300+ alt accounts with 80-100 actual people.

hybrid garden
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vdr3svQLeg-_trzBYH2EMvq6Tis9HjdYKy-nGYW2SW8/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KphC6hXtMF4JHOxUnETiFo7iJgQLThKxnN5x7U_p87s/edit#gid=0

Back in 2019 we saw spins so people could buy 6x nervestaves with rotflares and 6x acuity for 50k, 100 WPS services for 100k, +5 enchant certs for 25k, and... apparently I misremembered the +5 TD cert, which was 75k. No wonder I was one of several who passed on it!

(Mind you, bloodscrip was a lot more valuable back then! 50k is more like 125k now. 😛 The arena paid 250 (in the early 2019 shown here; the August 2019 run increased it to 275), traps made it much more likely to lose, sewers were terrible bloodscrip returns (again, early 2019... August increased max scrip from 12 to 25 and increased cache rates), orb drop rates weren't as favorable, no Bag of Holding parts, etc.)

Edit: Oh man. Looking back through Duskruin history, I forgot that the arena used to directly pay small amounts of silvers in addition to bloodscrip and loot. 😄 https://gswiki.play.net/Duskruin_Arena/saved_posts

dim jasper
thin crag
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did anything get added today?

indigo cipher
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negative. Bossman has been quiet today

thin crag
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at least I didn't miss it!

vale spear
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so it's sunday evening

drifting hamlet
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put out the wyrom signal

vale spear
hybrid garden
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Desperate times call for desperate measures. Call his name three times and mispronounce it "wyrm."

vale spear
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@Wryom

stark hazel
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....

vale spear
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Thandiwe, while you're here, why does endless leaderboard not update me?

indigo cipher
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She responds by moving this thread under Mechanics

stark hazel
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heh

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I don't know, Brute.

dim jasper
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Thandiwe, while you're here... hi

stark hazel
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heh

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Hi

ocean crypt
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I heard Thandiwe has been hanging out in mechanics...

indigo cipher
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yes, and apparently they brought out the tar!

vale spear
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you think he forgot?

torpid shale
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Hrm...getting late. Doesn't look like i will be tempted to spend any BS this evening!

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Ya know. I have a theory. It's pretty far fetched. But maybe, just maybe.....he is enjoying his Sunday/Weekend with some peace and quiet. 🙂

vale spear
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so like BG3 over gs?

drifting hamlet
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he wants us going through withdrawal first

boreal pollen
vale spear
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hmm that wasn't on my radar, good reviews on steam

haughty socket
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its very good and very hard

boreal pollen
olive warren
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I was hoping to get them out tonight. It will still probably be my "night" though.

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No BG3 or AC6 for me.

vale spear
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can you tell us what it is

torpid shale
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awwwwww

olive warren
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The problem with why it's not out yet is I need to make sure the language is spot on, the rest are all more complicated.

haughty socket
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saving all that time for Elder Star Voyages

olive warren
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Fallout: Space.

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Actually, no VATS, so I might be screwed.

vale spear
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it's skyrim in space, same graphics too

haughty socket
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I wanted to fight back against that but modern FO that isn't new vegas is fair game 😦

drifting hamlet
olive warren
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New Vegas is the best.

vale spear
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don't worry, we'll be sure to interpret any ambiguity to out greatest advantage and complain later

olive warren
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But I was playing Pokemon GO this weekend! It was GoFest.

haughty socket
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Pokemon : go to the moonwhopper cart
You should keep a bingo card of big spenders and see if you can fill it out with offerings each go around

hybrid garden
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More complicated than script combines. This should be good. 😮

boreal pollen
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put pokeballs in teh whalebarrow

haughty socket
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That's basically spirit beasts... which if there was a spirit beast maker item that would be pretty hilarious

warm pelican
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Out of curiosity - I notice that death metal can't be put on shields, and this has been a consistent message for a while. What is the concern there that I am missing?

mortal ledge
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I’m not sure it’s a game balance thing. I thought it just hadn’t actually been coded?

manic bone
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there are a couple of them floating around

drifting hamlet
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probably because of the free sbash with shield strike mastery

eager cobalt
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Blink work on UCS? I'm guessing no since it's the red headed step child.

warm pelican
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Interesting take. Seems like if it were the free sbash, the concern would be shared with the assaults and mstrikes? I know it can flare reactively too, so maybe a warrior in turtle stance with some other skills shifted towards blocking?

drifting hamlet
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yea u get the free sbash with assaults and mstrike too though

boreal pollen
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As stated there are a few already out there so it’s coded. Make be next DR 🫠

torpid shale
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I go to bed. Save all the shenanigans for tomorrow.

hybrid garden
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Shenanigans are next weekend! 😉

dim jasper
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I like shenanigans. I had a friend who used to say shenanigoats instead of shenanigans. It was endearing. Anyway, that’s my story.

vale spear
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This is the correct way to do debuff flares.

drifting hamlet
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enhancive thing out yet?

summer fiber
olive warren
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Yeah, we're probably looking at Monday late afternoon/evening.

summer fiber
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Thanks for the update on the enhancives.
Also Wyrom, sorry for missing you the other day in Platinum instance. You were trying to reach out to me when I was on Ryuho. I had a birthday party i stepped away on. just as an FYI. Thanks for all the work that you do for us and I hope you get good rest sometime }: D

torpid shale
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I have had two dreams about this wheelbarrow. What the heck is wrong with me.

dim jasper
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I've woken up 1-2 hours early every day this past week 😬 (which doesn't help at all, by the way, cause the action is in the evening)

abstract cedar
torpid shale
warm viper
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can DR get an extension since the enhacive swapping is coming out so late? a few extra days would be helpful

abstract cedar
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if you listen really hard you can hear Thandiwes death scream at this request.

summer fiber
eager cobalt
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Didn't someone say yesterday you give a GS player an inch and they take 15 miles!?

indigo cipher
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Wait we need the inch first?

eager cobalt
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No no no. But we were given the inch without asking this time.

vale spear
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There's another stupid hurricane headed my way, I hope the enhancive thing is out before the power goes out.

summer fiber
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gonna be afternoon/evening Wyrom said, Stay safe in that hurricane

regal hearth
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ok i guess im confused? is the wheelbarrow outside of hess the whalemart but minus a couple things or is there something else coming? i just now learned about the wheelbarrow

modest mauve
median echo
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Whalebarrow is an acceptable alternative

modest mauve
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Wyrom has indicated that there's an enhancive combiner coming tonight. But until details show up, what's there is it

indigo cipher
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other than the enhancive combiner, I don't think anything else for the Whalebarrow has been teased, and the remaining stuff at Shenanigans/"A very smol auction" is unknown other than the teased private properties

haughty socket
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uniqueish items - like actual items, probably not so much services? Named weapons and the such

indigo cipher
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yeah, the implication was strongly that the auction is for items. Shenanigans itself may have service prizes though

regal hearth
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ahh ok so the wheelbarrow is what i was waiting for mostly then, as i dont use enhancives enough to worry about a combiner

modest mauve
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I don't know if this is still the plan. But after the initial release, Wyrom said he had three more things to add: #1139093815924379778 message

eager cobalt
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I believe those were the unique items that got moved to the auction. Could be wrong though.

tropic monolith
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this is about the cart:
#1139093815924379778 message

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So enhancive combining service of some sort for 1m bloodscrip, and potentially "some other things" for more magical classes

Then also mention of unique stuff for magical classes but that's at the auction part

modest mauve
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Yeah, I got the impression that the three things were still things he wanted to add. I haven't seen a further update indicating otherwise (though obviously plans may have changed).

tropic monolith
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Also as recent as last night he mentioned "the rest" So yeah it would not surprise me to see two things plus the enhancive thing.

stark hazel
stark hazel
pallid axle
stark hazel
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Heh

indigo cipher
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For some reason I'm now imagining the GM's in a "Bad-Anon" style support group meeting

boreal pollen
hybrid garden
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5 days until Shenanigans. Some amount of progress made on my spreadsheet of things that could conceivably be offered and the max prices I'd be willing to pay for them. 🎉

olive warren
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Shenanigans is purely the fun/affordable side of what Mania offered. It's not any sort of big spending. Just want to make sure that's clear. The auction is stuff that was intended for my wheelbarrow that would have had limits of 1 per.

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There aren't any services at the auction.

indigo cipher
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could you possibly share the maximum amount of BS people should need to show up to shenanigans with if they aren't after auction items?

olive warren
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I'll give a breakdown on the goals with it after I finish a few things.

hybrid garden
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I mean... past Shenanigans did still have prices I wasn't willing to pay even though they were affordable, heh. Like the 75k +5 TD certs offered once upon a time. (The 25k +5 enchant certs from the same Shenanigans, on the other hand... squee )

But still good clarification to know! 😄

next magnet
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glad to hear that, and definitely looking forward to the breakdown!

warped stump
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I'll buy that for 1 bloodscrip!

modest mauve
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It's a clear message, but the "shenanigans is the cheap stuff" combined with "the auction is the unique stuff that was too special for the 1M+ wheelbarrow" makes for an interesting night

hybrid garden
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I don't read "affordable" as "cheap," personally!

modest mauve
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Fine fine. "Affordable side of mania"

tropic monolith
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"affordable" is different for everyone, like I think of that as like <100k others might think of that as <10k

So knowing kinda a BS cost range could be nice for folks there, although maybe it'll just increase the alt count (I'm betting soooo many alts at shennanigans haha)

hybrid garden
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The return of the halcyon days of 700 characters in a room.
Edit: Actually, to be fair, I guess those days never stopped since we grew to expect 4x RPAs. It's just that a lot of characters would mysteriously run off immediately after said RPAs happened. 🤣

abstract cedar
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did we have dates locked down for shenanigans or the auction?

olive warren
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Affordable probably isn't the right word either. But no plans to have it beyond HESS pricing.

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September 2nd is probably going to be it. Either late afternoon/early evening or after 9pm ET. I'd have preferred Sunday, but that complicates things with the wheelbarrow.

abstract cedar
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so you'll be doing both of them saturday?

marsh pollen
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Saturday is great, won't need to do last minute shopping like a crazed chicken

abstract cedar
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I look forward to being in a full outrage about the use of the word affordable later/s

tropic monolith
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hmm... I realized that, IF you don't have a chance to pass bloodscrip between the shennagins part and the auctions part, that may limit at least a few alts, cause each alt could be lowering auction spending power (for folks that are looking at potentiall 1m+ items or whatnot)

drifting hamlet
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dr closing on the 3rd ?

vale spear
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Just leave DR open year around, less work for everyone

turbid pelican
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That Sunday is going to be a mad sprint to redeem and shop for me.... I am sure I will forget something

olive warren
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Yeah, auction will be before or after. Maybe I make it before and then people who are just there for that can take off.

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Who knows how long the fun stuff may last.

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Might be 15 minutes. Might be 18 minutes.

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You never know.

viscid bolt
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17 minutes?

haughty socket
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There is an inifinite amount of possiblities between 15 and 18 minutes

median echo
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Think about it. You walk into a shennanigans store, you see 8-Minute fun sittin' there, there's 7-Minute fun right beside it. Which one are you gonna pick, man?

haughty socket
hot mesa
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7 is the key!

warped stump
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No kind of event in Gemstone takes less than 10 min per attendee.

olive warren
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Okay, we'll have the new stuff out come later this evening. We're going over the final details. A big factor is I don't want to have to backpedal these items or pull them prematurely. They are a bit tougher to sell in an unlimited fashion.

olive warren
indigo cipher
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Just list one item for the low price of a glowing iridescent core

olive warren
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A major hiccup in GS is I always try to code something with modular game design in mind. I want to use it forever. But sometimes we just need to build something specifically for a single use.

warped stump
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Feel free to run the enhancive stuff by me and I'll share the exploits =p

olive warren
indigo cipher
warped stump
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There's diapers and cloth diapers. Cloth diapers were a great idea until the moment you actually had to wash them.

indigo cipher
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What you need to do is build a reusable cart compiler that will allow you to more easily make single use cart shops

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This of course is a pretty big task.. which is why you want to employ a compiler compiler...

vale spear
next magnet
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Start the event by setting everybody in the room on fire

modest mauve
indigo cipher
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Leave a few to tell the others what happened.

next magnet
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Okay start the event by putting a fire in the room and see how many people voluntarily try to interact with it and burst into flames

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A flaming hot red orb

pallid axle
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Whoppers are charbroiled
There's precedence.

modest mauve
warped stump
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Lol, put a void in the room

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100 BS to enter the room but to enter the room you have to enter an implosion void. 50/50 chance to not be imploded into bits. If you're imploded you get rezzed with a 2x RPA.

Everyone that made it through gets to play lightning cloud dodge.
If you die you get rezzed with a 3x RPA.

Everyone still left gets to compete in the games and consolation prizes are 4x RPA.

vale spear
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Look just have everyone fight to the death, the last 10 standing get to participate in the auction.

covert rivet
keen idol
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If it's literally a red orb, I would bet a few people would pick it up and run off on instinct

indigo cipher
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"a shimmering red orb of certain doom"

drifting hamlet
vale spear
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are we there yet

dim jasper
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I'm excited

boreal pollen
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Dad are we there yet?

indigo cipher
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keep this up and he'll turn this entire Whalebarrow around

olive warren
indigo cipher
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while you acknowleding him as your son answers many questions, I have a new, weirder, set of questions

olive warren
dim jasper
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@torpid shale he's here. It's time for you to start your hype man routine

indigo cipher
olive warren
tropic monolith
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Wyrom just hasn't slept since Sunday so it's still technically Sunday for him

indigo cipher
tropic monolith
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I mean do undead really need sleep? Maybe that's his secret.

dim jasper
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somnis works on them, but I think it's more of a fugue state

indigo cipher
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Yeah but status affects don't work on Wyrms

torpid shale
boreal pollen
torpid shale
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I got off balders gate for this?!

pearl cloud
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ok Wyrom, we can start, I have arrived

torpid shale
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Oh I guess we outta know the rules huh

manic bone
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wait what's going on

tropic monolith
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nuthin, we're just all hoping that Wyrom saying a couple things means he's about to release the 1-3 new things to the whalecart

pearl cloud
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dumping the wheelbarrel whalebarrrow down the well

manic bone
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Oh! Usually I find when Wyroms distracted in here he forgets what he's doing and delays things for 3 days xD

next magnet
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Then we should not have all posted and distracted him!

indigo cipher
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It's almost like we are our own worst enemies or something

vale spear
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I need to replace my monitor, pretty sure the news will drop as soon as I unplug everything.

indigo cipher
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Do you not have a phone?

manic bone
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I'm prepared. Folding phone-tablet, ROG ally, laptop, gaming PC

nothing can stop me

except an internet outage and a simultaneous phone outage

vale spear
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I don't do interwebz on my phone sorry, too old

next magnet
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Yeah how could you even get the little dial to show discord

vale spear
manic bone
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You can get a razr again

flip phones were also super satisfying to snap in half when you were mad, that feeling of satisfaction followed by instant regret

next magnet
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Flip phones had a certain style that just can’t be duplicated it’s true

olive warren
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The enhancive combiner has been added.

dim jasper
vale spear
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You take a closer look at a prop enhancive charm.
This is to move 6 enhancives to a single target item.  If you combine the same enhancives (for example +13 DEX and +7 DEX to make +20 DEX) it will count as 2 moves, but a single enhancive on the target item.  All normal enhancive caps apply.  Target item can only have 6 enhancives, 2 of which can be SK/MK.```
ummm, clarification please, does each enhancive mean 1 stat/skill?
brazen glacier
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Paste it here!

olive warren
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6 individual enhancives on an item.

drifting hamlet
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could i make 6 moves to 3 different items? 2 each

olive warren
bleak crypt
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like the Godfather Trilogy and the LOTR trilogy into an item?

olive warren
muted void
next magnet
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does "enhancive" here mean "enhancive property," i.e., one "this item increases first aid base by 20"

olive warren
manic bone
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This will let you move 6 enhancives from any combination of items to one single item right?

desert hamlet
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Can a +20 and +11 of the same stat be moved to a single item?

drifting hamlet
vale spear
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i think if an enhancive has 4 things on it, that takes up 4 moves if I understand it right

next magnet
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says all normal enhancive caps apply so can't go over the top

olive warren
torpid shale
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I kind of understand this to mean if you have an item with 3 enhansives on it. That counts as 3.

indigo cipher
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couldn't he move existing copies of those stats onto one giant mega-enhancive?

olive warren
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I can make a new item with the 6 enhancives.

next magnet
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will the original item be destroyed, or will it remain, possibly with leftover enhancive properties you didn't care for

eager cobalt
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Can we move the +40 stalking and hiding from shadarl?

green pewter
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I can pick from as many different "source" items as I want?

olive warren
indigo cipher
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so yeah, I see somebody boiling 12+ enhancives into one that they just potion.

manic bone
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Wow this is a legit trap card for the whales, can they resist? Well played Wyrom xD

olive warren
torpid shale
dim jasper
drifting hamlet
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ok who wants to buy some fodder 15 stamina recovery 15 stamina recovery 15 dex 15 max mana

indigo cipher
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the fact that you can also put it onto your SK is also pretty sweet. if my 2SK's were worth using I'd have to consider combining them

eager cobalt
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I’m guessing no from adv guild badge too 😂

torpid shale
olive warren
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You can use multiple combiner charms if you want to build up combinations to get closer to the caps. That's up to you.

manic bone
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So in theory you could make 1 super-mega-enhancive with like +40 strength bonus +40 dex + 40 agility if you had enough strong individual enhancives?

haughty socket
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someone buy one and just put it on a charm bracelet
The ultimate status symbol

olive warren
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I answered Renaden before he said it, creepy.

candid oxide
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Bonus maxes at 20

indigo cipher
brazen glacier
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How much is it? Im not logged in 😵‍💫

next magnet
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can the eventual item produced be a veola

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kiki don't read this

dim jasper
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It can't not be a veola

manic bone
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Can you choose a weapon to stick these on? skip the whole fusion/defusion process?

torpid shale
olive warren
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If you provide the target item, I can put them on anything that allows it. You want it on a toothpick, all you.

indigo cipher
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I do agree that this is particularly evil. I am very glad I spent early, or I'd be snarfing a ton onto my ethereal runestaff

candid oxide
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Why would you put it on a weapon?

manic bone
torpid shale
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But if you could find say 4 +10 wisdoms and like 2 +10 Auras. You could make a 40 wisdom/20 aura item.

candid oxide
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Oh. Well that makes sense c I suppose. TWC isn’t ubiquitous though

manic bone
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Nordred has a really sick splitter with some crazy stats like that

green pewter
boreal pollen
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yall out here trying to form voltron

indigo cipher
candid oxide
warped stump
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So uh splitter?

green pewter
olive warren
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And just to spell it out, the other items planned are a create an SK tattoo and create an SM item. It's still being worked out, that's been the delay. I should have information on this later tonight though.

manic bone
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Oh man, RIP the whales pocketbooks

boreal pollen
manic bone
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Wow, went dead silent as everyone retreats to their spreadsheets

olive warren
drifting hamlet
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these will be there after the 2nd right?

manic bone
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Coluld a SK tattoo be a target for the enhancive combiner, so you could make a mega-SK tattoo with all of the fun spells?

indigo cipher
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2 is the hard limit for SK's on an item, so you'd have to do 2 SK and 4 other enhancives

turbid pelican
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who owns the +20 dex bonus spore staff?

manic bone
mortal ledge
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The enhancive thingy is really cool. I’ve always sort of regretted not fusioning my runestaff before adding a script. But it just seemed too pricey that I couldn’t justify it. Now I can still eventually get a nice set of enhancives added (well, assuming this whale cart sticks around for future events). Very cool stuff

indigo cipher
pearl cloud
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can you move enhancives from T2 or T3 fusion orbs with this? asking for a friend

desert hamlet
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So we could stack two +20 of the same enhancive to create a +40 on an item?

tropic monolith
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One question with the enhansive combiner, can you move an sk tattoo onto an item?

next magnet
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sour raft
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Tikba's gone pin happy.

eager cobalt
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Is 6 the hard limit on enhancives? Can't have 6 slot fusion with 6 enhancives on each orb...

viscid bolt
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Pinning up to 6 pins into 1

next magnet
olive warren
indigo cipher
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Didn't somebody have armor with +1 to each stat?

viscid bolt
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Set of it just sold

next magnet
vale spear
boreal pollen
warped stump
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Hoo boy
Xmas came early

final palm
indigo cipher
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I trusted her too, I'm just a realist

mortal ledge
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I’m so happy I didn’t sell my arm greaves with +12 summoning lore bonus. Almost put them up for auction earlier today 🙄

sour raft
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The pinning went to her head.

vast tinsel
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What was the price on this?

indigo cipher
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Wyrom just moved a lot of previously unlovable weapons and armor out of player shops

vale spear
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anyone selling good fodder

thin crag
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oh crap what sold tonight that I missed?

eager cobalt
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Check out the last 9 pins
Only the enhancive combining though

indigo cipher
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The enhancive combiner is aptly named, so valuable enhancives on weapons and armor are getting bought up left and right to be combined onto other stuff. I put those quoits up as a joke!

turbid pelican
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I got a +17 influence runestaff and a +16 int whip lol

indigo cipher
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I feel he may not have realized just how much junk we held onto "for one day, just in case"

warped stump
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It wasn't enough

turbid pelican
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There is a +18 health maul in the playershops. and a +17 one, get a +50 HP item

hot mesa
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Can you use fusion orbs?

indigo cipher
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well, it's also only 10k to change the stats to something you really want at EG, so numbers are really all that matter. ALL the thrown weapons are getting bought up to turn to other stuff in October

pallid axle
hot mesa
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Yeah, I've got a couple hundred "well this just seems to nice to pawn" weapons shoved in lockers. Time to start checking

vale spear
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can we extend dr by 2 weeks, I wanna farm

turbid pelican
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So many people are selling very nice enhancives lately for casual 50K+ sums. It really is weird.

indigo cipher
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I seriously am too lazy to go reprice my shops, so anything you guys find, enjoy

vale spear
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if we use a T2 orb, does it use the real non-degraded bonus?

indigo cipher
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I think once he has a moment to breath from the 20 redemptions already in, he should provide a general answer around fusion orbs. Also, somebody should get him a Paper bag

next magnet
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I’ve never regretted more not bothering to properly sing my random enhancive drops

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I’ll have my bard sing them for 24 hours and maybe they’ll sell in that time period

vale spear
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I regret not saving those high single bonus ones I came across over the years
+22 ohe helm, where art thou

indigo cipher
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yeah. Little zombie has just shifted the enhancive market pretty massively

umbral bane
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ticket balance

boreal pollen
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0

eager cobalt
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already?

vale spear
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i seriously haven't done any farming cause there was nothing to buy, can we extend through the end of september?

boreal pollen
# eager cobalt already?

im just a poor dolphin, will you contribute to my enhancive combiner fund?

for just 250k bs a day you too can support a dolphin

eager cobalt
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You can't fool me with that dolphin suit.

boreal pollen
vale spear
# 
The bracers resonates with your voice, indicating that it enhances its owner in the following ways:
    It provides a boost of 13 to Spirit Mana Control Bonus.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 55 times.
    It provides a boost of 26 to Logic Base.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 100 times.
    It provides a boost of 1 to Magic Item Use Bonus.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 1 times.
    The bracers seems to be out of charges.```
Can I has this back pls.
warped stump
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Can I just use my adv guild badge? Technically it falls within guidelines ;p

next magnet
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Just transfer the enhancives TO your badge

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There’s no way that could go wrong

vale spear
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badges worked for sylinar initially so why not, go for it

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how are stat base and bonus handled? do they combine into base or stay separate?

dim jasper
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For those on the fence, the enhancive combiners are choice. Highly recommended

brazen glacier
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What did you make Azanoth

dim jasper
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I’m off for the night but ping me tomorrow and ill share some

olive warren
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So far, the combiner is the most purchased.

drifting hamlet
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is there a line? would that be the case if u didn't count azanoth?

eager cobalt
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Drain the bloodscrips

gaunt dagger
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I'm surprised the combiner is cheaper than the mind wrack flares.
Bet people are making some crazy enhancives

vale spear
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I wanna see what people made

next cove
#

They should have built a stadium around the wheelbarrow for the spectators to cheer. A request for next year perhaps.

torn dawn
#

I do hope you all share your newly created enhancive madness - would be fun to see what's been created (and I see I'm super late to the party with this comment, heh)

modest mauve
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Just drop your recalls for us and walk away all cool-like.

brazen glacier
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I dont have any good enhancives to combine 😵‍💫

dim jasper
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I think that the best strategy is to find 6 fodder items, and use one enhancive property from each, targeting another item that isn’t already enhancive. Ideally something with some other utility, something you are already wearing.

My initial instinct was to combine my best enhancives, but i think the above strat is better (and then remove newly redundant enhancives)

eager cobalt
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Is the donor item destroyed or just the enhancive used removed?

dim jasper
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I think you get to choose. My donor items were truly just fodder, so I said to destroy them

vale spear
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I hope it's a choice... one of mine I can't lose

modest mauve
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So you gonna tell us what you built?

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Or do we need to guess?

dim jasper
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ill share some tomorrow once im around, but imagine a 6-slot defusioned item and its basically that. I think that the service is quite good.

eager cobalt
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Considering the cost to fusion, get to 6 sockets, defusion, and do that to any item instead of just your armor/weapon, is indeed quite a bargain. Relatively and all.

vale spear
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if you consider the cost of adding fusion, slots, and the orbs themselves, then defusion, and conversion to a worn jewelry item, you'd probably have been better off just postering, cost wise

modest mauve
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Fusion has been in a weird state anyway.

next magnet
#

Delaware

modest mauve
vale spear
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it's all Wyoming now

next magnet
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But yeah there’s a sense in which this is fusion 2.0 given the way people have grown to use fusion

modest mauve
#

I had pondered, and Alastir had created a forum post, about whether fusion should come back as a script add for arbitrary items.

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This makes that mostly irrelevant, I think.

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Between this and interdimensional malamutes, two of my favorite hobby-horses to lobby about mostly got covered this DR

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(And by all evidence, completely independent of any lobbying on my part)

next magnet
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next start writing a doc about script adds

modest mauve
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I think pretty clearly they should match malamute pricing! OTS + 50k!

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But that's harder. Malamutes were new, script adds exist and have a price point.

brazen glacier
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I saw zhagen mention it i think, but i am sad i sold the +20 dex bonus spore staff now i will say scream_goat

modest mauve
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So what's somebody going to put the MK feat absorb on?

drifting hamlet
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yea that would be a really good use

hybrid garden
# olive warren So far, the combiner is the most purchased.

Not too surprising, but has it drained the most scrip? 😮

Edit: Oh, wait. I'm assuming this means the enhancive combiner is the most purchased, right? (Because I'm curious whether it's outdrained the script combiner that costs five times as much...)

olive warren
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Oh, right, we have two combiners. Zero sales on the script combiner in Prime. Platinum sold one.

drifting hamlet
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baby whales need to wait til after the 2nd to spend!

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how come the sk and sm didn't get put in? need details on what spells will be allow and price?

summer fiber
modest mauve
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What did... Platinum... Choose to combine?

summer fiber
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I have it on good authority that they chose relic+blink.

gaunt dagger
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Do the extra swings trigger the blink

summer fiber
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hasn't been finished yet.

indigo cipher
#

Compared to the enhancive booster route the combine route is so cheap. Even for pulling 6 5 bonuses, that would be 30 bonus, or 3 million to enhance. Sure there's a small cost of the donation enhancives but not a big deal to find those. And people aren't using 5s

tropic monolith
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compared to fusion this is incredibly cheap too

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to do the same thing with fusion, if T3 orbs still could be made, is 2.6m which people were doing so yeah

indigo cipher
#

Oh yeah. The mid transmutes are going to force them to reprice script adds almost certainly. This will need almost all enhancive services to be recalibrated or they'll never be used again.

tropic monolith
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but like even I'm pondering if I wanna throw 1m bs at this one and create like a +50 spell aim item, I have a bunch of 10+ runestaffs I kept around

indigo cipher
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Yeah. I'm refraining but just barely for same. Much of my stuff in in the 10 range

tropic monolith
#

so many good weapons with high enhancives probably sold by me haha

indigo cipher
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Thrown weapons especially

indigo cipher
#

That said, I love that it's a cheaper option. Prices should go down over time, that people expect otherwise is a bit weird.

warped stump
#

I spent so much on the +1 enhancive stuff this DR already cry

torpid shale
warped stump
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I'm seriously contemplating dropping more cash. Im almost paralyzed with decision making at all the possibilities that have been opened

torpid shale
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I wish I had more lore fodder. I made 1 super enhansive that will get some sylinar treatment come EG. I am debating making a second.

warped stump
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Anyone use the service on a splitter?

tropic monolith
torpid shale
tropic monolith
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yeah I haven't made one yet, but I have all the items for it, the nice thing is with what I'm planning on making (weapon skill + agi or dex) is that it'll be a great multiple purpose to swap around for 60k or whatnot at EG if I want to switch it up to different weapon and such

haughty socket
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should I go find all the lore pants and enhancives from the last caligos EG treasure pile? are those big sellers right now?

warped stump
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I imagine the +10 air lore ones would be
Some loose flyrsilk trousers cinched with a vaalin chain ,+10 air lore bonus

tropic monolith
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anything with 10+ on it probably can sell yes

haughty socket
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I'm lucky my weapon and armor have +10 enchant let alone a +10 enhancive
I'm just here to say "Spell casting Dahcre Box when?"

ocean crypt
#

What’s the combiner cost? I don’t see it in the pins?

warped stump
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1 mil

dim jasper
#

I mentioned I would post an enhancive combine last night. Here is a supercharger talisman: 15 stamina recovery, 18 influence, 14 discipline, 11 strength, 15 agility base, 13 dodging bonus.

So it's a pretty great service. 10/10 would recommend.

indigo cipher
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I saw how quickly you bought... more than one.

mortal ledge
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That’s now a super supercharger item

indigo cipher
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I'm wondering how many +20 logic +20 discipline lumnis brooches will be made (with other stuff of course)

mortal ledge
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I wouldn’t stick that on a lumnis brooch. Baaaad move. Those are account bound!

abstract cedar
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you're likely better off buying a million BS worth of RPA orbs anyhow, or just investing that into the brooch it self, the gains from logic and dis arent amazing if you break them down.

mortal ledge
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Logic in particular is pretty easy to max out from run of the mill enhancives

turbid pelican
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So how close in anyone to +40 all stats? I think got +40 dex/aura/wis/dis/log

green pewter
#

Without the 1m service (but with a few armor accessory transmutes), I'm at 40 dex/str/agi/disc/logic/int/aura, 50 cman/edged/thrown, and a smattering of con, wis, and physical fitness. (Or rather, I will be after EG.)

cyan jay
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wondering if one of you is talking about wearing those all at once and the other isn't lol 🤔

green pewter
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I’m saying that when I open my armoire and crap flies onto me, that’s what I’ve got.

pearl cloud
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Wyrom working on the Mania

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indigo cipher
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That feels disturbingly accurate

next magnet
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The best part about this is that that guy is going to hate having hummingbird wings

boreal pollen
manic bone
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Man, telepathic willpower flight was on the table and he settled for bird wings!?

abstract cedar
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it was an RP choice.

hybrid garden
amber hazel
indigo cipher
hybrid garden
indigo cipher
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I feel 50k is an acceptable "the GM gets out of bed" minimum for scripts and transmutes.

pallid axle
hot mesa
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Did we ever get confirmation that fusion orbs work for the combiner?

drifting hamlet
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there really isn't any reason why they shouldn't work

indigo cipher
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It hasn't been explicitly confirmed, no

vale spear
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Only question is how t2 orbs work, I think I have an 18 logic orb in my shop but it hasn't been refreshed.

torpid shale
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Orbs are fine I believe

tropic monolith
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I would think orbs are probably ok, it'd be whatever they are at currently though, so if it's decayed or such, but since orbs all came from items that were originally eligible

modest mauve
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If animal came out of HESS fully upgraded, we'd be in the ballpark

next magnet
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The “fully upgraded” script add cost for scripts would be on the order of malamutes usually I think

hybrid garden
modest mauve
sour raft
#

Isn't chain-spear still broken? In regards to the mechanics of how ensorcellment works?

modest mauve
sour raft
olive warren
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I fixed a lot of that the last time I was in that script.

boreal pollen
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If I don’t make it through this storm
Please still redeem my spell book certs, and I expect someone to get a whale SK tattoo in my honor

torpid shale
hot mesa
drifting hamlet
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could the sk be price individually by circle?

tropic monolith
olive warren
drifting hamlet
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gah it is feature not a bug!

boreal pollen
sour raft
olive warren
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It may be broken still, but I'll check either way!

hot mesa
olive warren
drifting hamlet
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nah it is tied to ensorcelling i'm pretty sure

candid oxide
# modest mauve You'd have to summon an expert. <@230856982263758849>, is your chainspear broken... 
You take aim and throw an imflass spear head at a heavily armored battle mastodon!
  AS: +602 vs DS: +345 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +44 = +308
   ... and hit for 65 points of damage!
   Attack punctures the eye and connects with something really vital!
As a heavily armored battle mastodon collapses, it lets out a shrill trumpet of despair.  Its trunk flails futilely before slamming to the ground, still.

 ** Necrotic energy from your spear head overflows into you! **

   You feel energized!
The spear head is lodged in a heavily armored battle mastodon's left eye!```
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I did recently remove my ensorc recently so that I could get it sanctified, that was painful

sour raft
hot mesa
# olive warren Did you notice it around the PSM updates?

It's older than that. I believe I first bugged it quite a few years ago, rebugged it last spring maybe? It's fun to see how high you can get with your AS, but it makes it unpredictable. If you said "we're going to leave it as a feature" I'd be OK with that answer, but it makes it harder to use in regular hunting when the stamnina/mana draw goes up exponentially instead of a nice predictable 3/3 with every attack.

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On the plus side, I get to post some occasional 1000+ AS shots in the arena.

modest mauve
boreal pollen
torpid shale
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I bet they have them somewhere

spiral spade
gaunt dagger
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I like how spell sever was implemented and stated to be everywhere after everyone bought X/days. And now we're getting unlimited SK. It's like we've come full circle. But at a $2400 circle instead of a $24-$240 circle.

I wonder what Dev will nerf next, just to resell back at 10x the price.

dim jasper
brazen glacier
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Someone mind pasting the text for the enhancive combiner? Wanna make sure i understand the details

boreal pollen
green pewter
next magnet
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I tried to pin all the clarifications about how these work

dim jasper
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How do they work? Fabulously

mortal ledge
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This question was already asked, but I did not see an answer. If we have an item with +5 STR bonus and another item with +7 STR stat, can we use (2 moves) from the enhancive combiner to add +17 STR stat to an item? Or will bonus and stat not stack like that?

dim jasper
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My understanding is that the result would be two separate properties on the target item, but i did not try to do this explicitly

eager cobalt
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Wyrom mentioned this specific scenario. It would take up 2 lines. They don’t get combined.

mortal ledge
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Thanks for the clarification!

final palm
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Any update on the times for the 2nd/weekend stuff?

eager cobalt
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Yeah need to know if I need to take off work Saturday.

hexed canopy
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Buying into nerfs that give you resource/xp buffs would be pretty sweet spinthink

vale spear
eager cobalt
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You know I could be misremembering. I don’t think he specifically went over bonus + base

green pewter
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Man it'd be great to see bonus replaced entirely by base on enhancives. It'd make explaining it to people so much easier.

vale spear
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all it does is create constant needless confusion "this is +7 wisdom bonus... BONUS" and people still ignore

green pewter
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Personally I wish it was all stat base and either skill ranks OR skill bonus (but not both), provided it came with the skill bonus recharge costs. I guess I understand why both skill bonus and skill ranks exist, but I don't think many people are enhancing abilities they haven't trained 40 times anyway. Even if they are, having only skill ranks found on items with the caveat that you can only increase your skill bonus by 50 would still be easier to convey than the current state of things.

indigo cipher
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I believe there was a proposal to unify it all from ranks to bonus etc. but it fell through

vale spear
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Just unify all stats to base, and all skills to ranks.

dim jasper
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They tried. There was a doc. I don't know if we know why it didn't work out. I assume there was some issue.

vale spear
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Why wouldn't it work out. I can't think of a single good reason.

indigo cipher
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I think it was skills to ranks, with the recharge set to the bonus recharge. And yeah, I seem to recall it just fizzled, there wasn't a big reason or anything, it just didn't get the go juice it needed

vale spear
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I don't think they quite realize just how much needless confusion the current system creates.

final palm
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I doubt you'd ever do advguild recharges, but I'm guessing having 2 separate stat lines would cost less than them being combined? is that true or is it the other way around?

hybrid garden
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If I had to guess, lores were what broke the proposal. As it usually is. 😂

hot mesa
vale spear
next magnet
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I would personally love it if the planned enhancive review eventually happened

pallid axle
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the enhancives for ranks and bonus and stat base and stat bonus has been a pet peeve since it was made like that.

mortal ledge
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Okay so my question about stat and bonus with the enhancive combiner still stands for the time being.

hexed canopy
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the confusing part is the underlying rank:skill system, which there was no plan to really address

drifting hamlet
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since the cap is still 20 stat/10 bonus it shouldn't really be an issue , no one really should be using 2 moves for 1 stat

mortal ledge
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You sure the cap is 20 stat / 10 bonus and not 40 stat / 20 bonus? That was not clear from any of the postings either. I think at least a few people have assumed it was the latter.

turbid pelican
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+20 dex bonus sporestaff!

drifting hamlet
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even if it is 40 and 20 u still better off using single moves

mortal ledge
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I could see a scenario where you have two +14 Dexterity stat items and one +7 Dexterity bonus item, and want to combine them into an item with +40 Dex stat (or +20 Dex bonus)

eager cobalt
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Yeah! Once you get your 6 enhancives you just use another combiner to increase their values!

drifting hamlet
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he said standard caps apply assuming they are 20 for stats and 25 for skills,besides u could only make the 6 moves on the same item , so an item with 6 skill/stat is better than one with less

candid oxide
#

I’m guessing quest enhancives are blocked? Like NATA. Otherwise 🤯

drifting hamlet
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yea he said those quest ones don't work. ones that can't be charged

indigo cipher
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or worse, he allows it but the output can't be charged

dim jasper
tropic monolith
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I always thought the thing that broke the proposal was the actual implementation issues, so many items that might break, need to touch

They probably could of done it, but it would only be for new enhancives rather than existing ones

hybrid garden
# dim jasper hmmm, how so?

Someone could probably near-max lore benefits in everything somehow with the combination of normal training, lore enhancives all being ranks, and Ascension. Thoughts like that played a role in stopping paladins from moving to a 1x lore model during their review: #mechanics message

tropic monolith
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ranks = bonus though once you have 40 ranks trained

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it's just than < 40 ranks trained in a lore, lore bonus gets weird... when calculating rank benefits, but like take necro lore needed for 100% rot flares, 101 ranks + 50 ascension +20 bonus or 20 ranks both would give you the 171 needed

eager cobalt
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But what if you didn't train any lores and got +50 enhancive lore ranks and +50 ascension lore. Where would you be?

indigo cipher
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  1. The enhancive bonus cap still applies when rank conversion occurs
tropic monolith
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ascension is still ranks, so you'd have 50 ranks, and then 50 from enhancives giving you 100 ranks, you could have 50 bonus and still have equiv of 100 ranks in that case

eager cobalt
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ascension is bonus, granted it's basically ranks when over 40 ranks.

hybrid garden
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All of this is the reason I said "near-max."

next magnet
#

The direction they have gone with enhancive spell buffs is basically “ranks and let the enhancive cap deal with it” and that is basically what I think you’d want to do, maybe add a warning that says “you aren’t getting the full benefit of your enhancives because you’re so bad at trading”

tropic monolith
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again I think they could/should just make all new ones skill bonus and base stat, and leave what's out there as what's out there

Perhaps offer people a "convert" npc option to convert stat bonus to base stat and ranks to skill bonus, if that's doable (I think so given how like Sylanar works)

That way you aren't trying to retcon a ton of old items, if people have weird things, let them have weird things, we're a 30 yearold text game

vale spear
torpid shale
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Getting 50 ranks in an ascension skill is arduous.

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I don’t want to do it again any time soon :p

hybrid garden
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Only one good way to brooch that subject.

drifting hamlet
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sk & sm coming out today?

indigo cipher
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probs why he's been so quiet

bleak crypt
# vale spear if we can't have goals like that, what's the point of playing

As a kid I grew up playing this game as a warrior. And even then it was obvious that the very long term end game of a warrior meant getting huge amounts of exp to spend lots of TPS on getting spells. This was how the game was designed. Now you’ve got people saying things like how that isn’t how warriors should be. All I can think of when they say that stuff is they must be trying to make Gemstone into some other game. I 100% agree with you that goals like that should be possible in this game.

drifting hamlet
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this is why most of the whales are warriors now!

hybrid garden
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Spell warriors represent!

hexed canopy
drifting hamlet
#

10 ranks already puts you at the 50 bonus enhancive cap if you don't have any lore training

hexed canopy
#

yeah, and then the ascension would tick up another 14 ranks worth of +1 skill bumps before it all capped at 100 skill

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and +40/50 of your ascension lore enhancives would be draining charges for no effect

torpid shale
#

I did not realize that book sales end tomorrow …..

dim jasper
torpid shale
#

Having this little auction and things after book sales end. How dare you! 😛

eager cobalt
#

He said he wants all the old bloodscrip not that stinking new stuff.

dim jasper
#

Altheren showing up with strong Greta energy

cyan jay
#

weird - doesn't it usually end (book sales) on a Sunday and shops/arena/sewers remain open until like Thursday or something? I guess the week end/month end don't always line up appropriately?

modest mauve
#

Book sales usually end on the last day of the month. This year it's a day early, whence the announcement.

indigo cipher
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the remain open is because it always gets extended, so they're just pre-extending it now

boreal pollen
#

Any update on the tattoos so we can buy books if needed 🥹

desert hamlet
#

plenty of time left to find out, amirite!

boreal pollen
#

any chance of an update on the spell book redemptions?

olive warren
#

I'm adding the SK tattoo and SM item in just a few. It's all going to be housed under the same prop item, you just whisper which you want to make it easier.

boreal pollen
dim jasper
warped stump
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Lot of SK 1706s...

gaunt dagger
drifting hamlet
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it is the same price?

olive warren
#

SM will be this list, unattuned.

101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 117
201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 209, 210, 211
301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 308, 309, 315
401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 414
501, 502, 503, 504, 507, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512
601, 602, 603, 604, 609, 611
701, 702, 703, 704, 705, 706, 708, 709
801, 802, 803, 804, 805, 806, 807, 808, 809, 810, 811, 812, 813, 814, 815, 816, 817, 818, 819, 820
901, 902, 903, 904, 905, 906, 907, 908, 909, 910, 911, 916
1101, 1102, 1103, 1104, 1105, 1106, 1107, 1108, 1110, 1111, 1112, 1113, 1114
1201, 1202, 1203, 1204, 1205, 1206, 1207, 1208, 1209, 1210, 1211, 1214, 1215
1601, 1602, 1604, 1607, 1608
1700, 1701, 1704, 1705, 1706, 1707, 1708, 1709, 1710, 1716

Or, if attuned, it can use the same list we populate for feeders. Spells 20 and under that you might find on a scroll or in the treasure system.

SK tattoos same as the attuned list.

Both are 1mil bloodscrip.

drifting hamlet
#

wow

dim jasper
# 
>eat wheel
You must pick it up first.
>get wheel
You can't pick that up.
olive warren
dim jasper
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Those are great prices

drifting hamlet
# 
Or, if attuned, it can use the same list we populate for feeders.  Spells 20 and under that you might find on a scroll or in the treasure system.```so sk heroism is available if u pick attuned sk?
olive warren
#

SK are already attuned.

vale spear
#

am I blind, I don't see the sk in the wheelbarrow?

olive warren
#

I have to add it still.

next magnet
#

we all just came to look at the wheelbarrow

drifting hamlet
olive warren
#

Only one me, can't answer questions and work at the same time, heh!

olive warren
drifting hamlet
#

so 506 and 515 is available on sk?

olive warren
#

Can you find 515 on a scroll?

next magnet
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515 can't generate on scrolls

warped stump
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https://gswiki.play.net/Scroll


Spirit Servant (218)
Raise Dead (318)
Rapid Fire (515)
Charge Item (517)
Imbue (614)
Scroll Infusion (714)
Empathic Focus (1109)
Empathic Link (1117)
Mind Over Body (1213)
Focus Barrier (1216)
Dauntless (1606)
Divine Shield (1609)
Higher Vision (1610)
Patron's Blessing (1611)
Champion's Might (1612)
Guard the Meek (1613)
Zealot (1617)
Whispering Willow (1905)
Zealot (1917)```
vale spear
drifting hamlet
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but i have one on the enruned bones which is a scroll

next magnet
#

that page was apparently platinum specific

dim jasper
#

This is going to drain a lot of BS, I think

desert hamlet
#

Does it have to be a new tattoo or can we add to existing?

vale spear
#

do we need to have a tat on us already or you make one

olive warren
#

I can ink you.

#

I've been to prison, I know how.

boreal pollen
#

ink me harder daddy

olive warren
vale spear
#

are your needles clean though, I've heard they dunk them in the toilet before tatting someone they don't like. Gives a bad rash that lasts a week.

radiant cove
#

If we do have a 515 scroll, can we have an SK 515 tatto in exchange?

boreal pollen
fallen tundra
olive warren
drifting hamlet
#

where is the sk stuff? not out yet?

olive warren
olive warren
next magnet
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the SK stuff will be out as soon as people get out of the kitchen

olive warren
#

Okay it's in Prime now.

drifting hamlet
olive warren
warped stump
#

Wyrom is our lord and savior
We only exist due to his love

drifting hamlet
turbid pelican
#

wait so 1mil for character attuned 506?

olive warren
gaunt dagger
#

Wow. Sk 506 for everyone

eager cobalt
#

Attuned SM 506 ... there is no SK being offered from what I can tell. nevermind. I was thinking the table was the attuned list. Hurray for SK 506

olive warren
#

SK tattoo

turbid pelican
#

Every swinger going to have 506 tomorrow morning.... there will be negative silvers in the economy, many debts

brazen glacier
#

sorry, whats the differece between sk and sm, im dumb

olive warren
#

Only 6 people have a mil or more bloodscrip, I'm sure that will change soon.

gaunt dagger
#

One you can use in spell sever the other you cannot plus cooldowns

modest mauve
#

Where are you guys putting your 1700 tattoos?

brazen glacier
next magnet
#

Gotta put the SK tattoos on your face to increase your employability

gaunt dagger
#

506 shouldn't be on the available list

modest mauve
turbid pelican
#

those six should purchase 506 SK now before Wyrom sobers up

olive warren
warped stump
#

SK605 looking kind of hot

turbid pelican
#

The tradeoff of attunement seems fair though

gaunt dagger
#

No it doesnt.. it should cost 5m minimum for 506

drifting hamlet
#

limited list for sm of unattuned because of item sharing?

abstract cedar
dim jasper
#

In my day, we paid 6.5m BS for an SK 506 tattoo! And we were grateful for the privilege of doing so!

olive warren
#

I mean, I can get a sanity check on 506 if you all want.

eager cobalt
#

I'm happy to facilitate you getting an SK 506 tattoo for 5m bs.
Only one person wants you to

gaunt dagger
#

Things are supposed to be limited by price, like the 1.5m mind wrack which is 3x more expensive than at auction. Now sk 506 is cheaper than ever, and cheaper than a flare??? lol

drifting hamlet
#

wait isn't there a max amount of sk tattoos u could get?

turbid pelican
#

I want sk 101 for like 15mil

modest mauve
dim jasper
turbid pelican
#

I mean 506 for 1mil is more value to swingers than any 2 fully unlocked weapon/armor scripts right?

brazen glacier
warped stump
#

Lot of swingers would need the self mana 506 to go with the sk 506

drifting hamlet
#

i swear there was some sort of limit

torn dawn
vale spear
#

cause you can't cast 506 in plate

warped stump
#

Spell hindrance gets rough for major elemental quick

drifting hamlet
#

that isn't true anymore with armor casting though

turbid pelican
#

good point

boreal pollen
vale spear
#

hey I redeemed mine, should I hang around tonight or...?

turbid pelican
#

also, only 6 ppl with 1mil BS, that sounds hella low.... so close to economic balance!

median echo
#

that metric is limited to folks logged in currently, no?

hybrid garden
#

Wait. SK 506 for 1m?!

I... I think I might have to skip my starsong transmute... 🤔 🤔 🤔

Edit: Shoot, I'd need Air lore and Earth lore. Turns out I should have gone with cyclone flares all along.

drifting hamlet
vale spear
#

he can use bad needles I don't care

proud pulsar
#

if I have a raise dead scroll that is from the treasure system can I have some self mana 318 thankyouplease?!

vale spear
#

you really want to raise afk bots that much?

proud pulsar
#

its part of my schtick

gaunt dagger
# 
Dett says, "Okay, same thing but ELEMENTAL SPELL CIRCLES SK tattoo.  So 400s, 500s, 700s, 900s.  Needs to be on scrolls.  No 506 this time around."
Idalias registers a new bid of 725,000 bloodscrip.

Feb. Mania 2023 - 725k

Key words, no 506.

median echo
#

oh, boo

drifting hamlet
#

someone gag alastir

manic bone
#

I guess that is one benefit to coraesine I hadn't considered, I can only celerity 3 times a day but I don't need any lore for 1s swings

vale spear
#

key words, this time around, note, this time around is not that time around

fleet inlet
#

is there a limit on the number of enhancive tattoos on a character?

gaunt dagger
# 
#1: Lahke says, "Spell knowledge enhancive for 506."
Lahke says, "6mil."
Warclaidh says, "Bid.

And now it's unlimited for 1m

turbid pelican
#

SK506 is only worth like 20 property slips....

manic bone
#

an enhancive is stronger than a tattoo though to be fair cause you can move it around
6x as valuable maybe not but you know what they say about hindsight

warped stump
#

I thought everyone had kind of been asking for pricing to kind of come down a bit and that seems to be what has happened... and yet someone wants to argue pricing should remain high like in the past?

gaunt dagger
turbid pelican
#

I fear being a SK506 swinger will become gold standard for greatness

modest mauve
#

Folks, Alastir gets to make the argument (obviously). Please keep it impersonal

next magnet
#

I don’t think people have time to farm infinity bloodscrip before the third

boreal pollen
hybrid garden
#

hops on the test server to figure out how much Air lore is needed for 1 second warblade+katar

median echo
#

book sales in the simu store end today, 8/30, better get moving quick

warped stump
#

About 36 ranks

proud pulsar
#

don't worry, next week 506 will turn into Walk of Shame. Instead of making you fast, it just makes you walk home in last night's clothes.

bleak crypt
turbid pelican
#

If my main was swinger I would definitely farm another 500k BS for this

gaunt dagger
#

I could go find Wyroms own words about how 506/515 will never be sold for money ever again too.

warped stump
#

So 506 breaks PSM assaults and mstrike, keep that in mind before you buy it. It is not an overall power boost for squares because you will give up all assults and mstrike

hybrid garden
#

You can just recast afterward, though.

proud pulsar
#

Imma get 507, its 1 better.

torn dawn
#

how does it break psm assaults?

dim jasper
#

506 is for aimed strikes

manic bone
#

you can already swing in 1s as a swinger... katanas/bastard swords, bounce between flurry and the THW attack and you pretty much can do it back to back

modest mauve
fleet inlet
#

is SM attunement character or account?

turbid pelican
#

What is the best build for SK506 warrior, 1 second giga lances?

warped stump
#

The celerity falls off and you basically recast it. The whole point of 506 is you swing in 1 sec. Assaults and mstrike become pointless. Everything is pointless outside of simply swinging.

It CAN be monumentally boring when you buy something that makes you extremely efficient

manic bone
#

Probably, when I assault with my lance in those 1s ticks it's pretty ridiculous

brazen glacier
#

yea i was just musing i dont think for me, personally, as a katar assault spammer, 506 is actually important - but it i still used a claidh or something, it sounds pretty amazing

brazen glacier
torn dawn
#

or just 2x handaxe

hybrid garden
#

You can mstrike in 1 second with 506 and enough lore, then recast afterward and potentially save net time. That does depend on weapon(s) type to a great extent, though, obviously.

boreal pollen
#

my conern about 506 hunting only HW is i cant really aim at much stuff because its all too tall 😦

brazen glacier
#

not sure if all katars are like this, but i have the temporal one, i have almost no down time between assaults

warped stump
#

Ya, you can recast if you have a self mana 506 or a paladin with armored casting at 3, 4, or 5 hard round time
Unless you're in less than studded leather the recasting is an issue

eager cobalt
bleak crypt
turbid pelican
#

does the ODM gear auto attack or just give you X seconds in the air?

boreal pollen
eager cobalt
#

I may have went from I'm not spending anything to I'm spending a couple mil. 😭
I'm not even going to get to use the SK506 with all this saturated exp.

brazen glacier
#

is there a way to order multiple 25 ct books from the store at once, or do i have to individually buy each one?

summer fiber
#

Individual

hybrid garden
#

My warrior and rogue actually do wear robes. Let's see, though, Major Elemental needs... 210 Armor Use on chain mail, which is what my ranger and bard wear and is achievable.

It's admittedly not achievable on a cleric, which is what I intended, but I do have access to armored casting, so hmm... I guess sanct just to recast 506 for mstrike would be a waste, so yeah, strictly single-target swings in that case.

torn dawn
#

no limit on insta-cashing in the 25 ct books via the npc, right?

eager cobalt
#

30 minute cooldown, but no limit

brazen glacier
#

argh my tendentious

boreal pollen
#

with armor casting, how bad is hinderence for a warrior in full plate with 506

warped stump
#

Well with armored casting you never fail. It just takes 5 sec of hard roundtime with 130 armored ranks
If you use armored casting and are trained to wear the armor, which is 130 armor use ranks for everyone to wear full plate, you will never fail a spell cast but will always cast spells with 5 sec of hard roundtime.

dim jasper
#

the jet pack pirate harness is pretty cool, because you can customize like 6 things on it, including the gas and the handles

next magnet
#

We’re gonna need some kind of line for selling your gladiator cooldown

hybrid garden
#

I don't even know why I'm still typing in here. I should be grinding through the ~4000 entries I have left so I'll have bloodscrip to funnel to people in need who will sell me books. 😂

next magnet
#

The influence of discord on work ethic

warped stump
# 
Activating a gleaming disk clasp.
A gleaming disk clasp is on cooldown and cannot be activated.
The gleaming disk clasp only has 1 charge remaining.
Activating a flyrsilk flower.
  1d100: 85 + Modifiers: 436 == 521
You suddenly start moving light-footedly.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
The flyrsilk flower only has 1 charge remaining.
Roundtime: 6 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.```
If you have a bag of trixx though...
summer fiber
olive warren
#

So to address the elephant in the room on the pricing, I tried to push forward with what people wanted at a price point that was limiting. There really isn't millions out there on a lot of people. It's expensive. As I said, we're going to see how this goes. Maybe some stuff returns, maybe it gets retired. Maybe I come out with new things next year. I'm not trying to upset people.

hybrid garden
#

Tonis is getting nerfed at some point in the future. That said, on my particular bard I wouldn't need 506 because she uses TWC short swords/katars and can already get to 1 second swings via assaults without Tonis nor Celerity. However, I was offering a generalized rebuttal to the idea that mstrikes are rendered worthless by 506.

warped stump
olive warren
#

506 isn't the most redeemed at this point if that helps any counter arguments, but I just released it.

#

Zhagen asked for two 101 tattoos.

brazen glacier
#

zhagen is a monster

proud pulsar
#

I'd give him 202

olive warren
#

He wanted them as crisscrossed scimitars.

turbid pelican
#

Check balance: -500,0000,000 silvers 😭

vale spear
#

can we take out mortgages

drifting hamlet
#

i offer loans

vale spear
#

0 percent interest right

hot mesa
#

Some people think every square will get 506, but figure this: at this point about 2/3rds of warriors are KS, and of the remainder, most won't want to bother with access to armored casting. That's why you aren't seeing so many sales of it. That and apparently only 6 people are sitting on a million or more. To which I'm asking why are you guys not waiting till the last minute to buy all your stuff?

spiral spade
#

Is this a one offer this DR or will this wheelbarrow/SK 506 be available nextDR?

proud pulsar
#

I'm not buying 506 if that helps your mathing

olive warren
#

Wheelbarrow isn't guaranteed. Trial by fire.

vale spear
#

I bought an sk 506 and I don't know why cause I'm a pure and don't really want to go warrior, if that helps any statistics

boreal pollen
olive warren
modest mauve
warped stump
#

Now rogues and monks in robes with SK506, that's a different story

hybrid garden
#

I have 328 bloodscrip and like 1.2m bloodscrip worth of entries once I get through them all, heh. And am considering SK 506 on a cleric!

modest mauve
olive warren
# modest mauve Logs please! 
It is difficult to get a good look at Tservin due to the number of mirror images of him nearby.
You see Arena Hero Tservin Ev'n'Daeth the Merciless Executioner.
He appears to be a Half-Elf.
He is towering in stature.  He appears to be mature.  He has piercing, blood-shot shadowy black eyes and flawless bronzed skin.  He has thick, flowing black hair tousled into a textured bun that is barely restrained by a simply woven circlet of night black roses and urglaes fangs.  He has an angular face and a well-groomed beard.  He has rippling, well-toned back and shoulder muscles.
He has several facial tattoos, an onyx-shaded crimson flame tattoo on his finger, a thin black vaalin spike in his lip, a thorny black rose tattoo on his wrist, and a thin black vaalin ring in the upper ridge of his right ear.
He is in good shape.
vale spear
#

can tattoos ever be altered or moved, I may have picked it wrong

modest mauve
fallen tundra
#

No and no, typically.

olive warren
proud pulsar
#

10% reinking fee

fallen tundra
#

Wyrom gets to pick the design this time.

hot mesa
#

As a casting warrior, I'm tempted to buy it, but I had 2 other things I wanted to buy that were a million BS each. Current balance 1.2m BS. Do I spend it on 506, a combiner, or a spell book... or just wait till the auction and buy stuff there because the rest of you are going to be broke?

spiral spade
#

man bun with face tats

harsh jackal
drifting hamlet
#

get the sk 506, you could borrow spellbooks to spell up

bleak crypt
modest mauve
vale spear
#

SK tats don't need to be exposed to work right?

hybrid garden
#

This is the Duskruin of eyes opening.

proud pulsar
#

I must have the worst warrior build in the game. I don't have KS or spells or anything

modest mauve
harsh jackal
eager cobalt
#

those 4 hour sk charging potions aren't looking so bad anymore eh?

bleak crypt
spiral spade
#

The scent of death and decay wafts by as GameMaster Wyrom shambles in.

Wyrom gnaws on your head! I think he is trying to eat your brain!

GameMaster Wyrom shambles away, leaving no trace of his whereabouts.

vale spear
drifting hamlet
#

no

warped stump
#

They definitely do not

hybrid garden
#

Maybe I should skip the SK 506 and hold out hope for MKs next run, especially since I'd imagine they'd be at least slightly cheaper. 🤔

boreal pollen
spiral spade
#

MKs gonna be at least 1m

modest mauve
turbid pelican
hybrid garden
# modest mauve Why cheaper? I think I can argue both sides.

Because MKs basically never fetched particularly much in auctions unless they were borderline unrestricted (and even this SK offering is restricted), often not even selling at all for the MBs or reserve prices that had been asked.

Edit: Which I assume is because of the niche appeal since squares aren't exactly lacking good combat maneuvers, so it's either for the gaps in semis' combat maneuvers or for war pures.

modest mauve
boreal pollen
warped stump
#

It's sm/sk 506 or sk 506 + armored casting.

You can of course just have a wizard constantly make you 506 imbeds.

gaunt dagger
harsh jackal
#

mink wrack sucks. kills too slowly

drifting hamlet
#

^ same question but script combine 50% off please

bleak crypt
proud pulsar
#

Mind Wrack is just there to steal your emeralds if you hit the wrong button.

olive warren
turbid pelican
#

unless you are 1 second PSMing and dual skills for low cd, SK506 seems like it blows any other DR offering out of the water for swingers (source: non-swinger wizard)

brazen glacier
#

wyrom, can you take the cooldown off the gladiator for about an hour? my friend is asking...>.>

olive warren
modest mauve
summer fiber
hybrid garden
olive warren
modest mauve
vale spear
next magnet
boreal pollen
modest mauve
hybrid garden
modest mauve
proud pulsar
#

it doesn't even make your AS go up.

next magnet
#

Everything you want can be gotten with experience

#

Except for sk 506

modest mauve
#

Look, if anybody just wants scrip for their book, I'm happy to turn them in for you.

turbid pelican
#

I want to know who has the highest brooch rub efficiency in the last 3 years..... XXXX has rubbed their brooch 2,403 times out of 2478 possible for 99.7% efficiency

bleak crypt
next magnet
#

That’s expert ascension

gaunt dagger
#

Trying to ragepost on a phone is a huge pita

next magnet
#

Yeah you gotta move to the keyboard when you’re really mad

#

You wasted your whole cooldown on that realization!

modest mauve
boreal pollen
modest mauve
boreal pollen
#

while the gangs all here, does the redeemption for spell books usually take awhile

vale spear
#

now SM ones have to exposed... I think

boreal pollen
brazen glacier
vale spear
#

anyone selling a big sword

manic bone
#

define big sword

vale spear
boreal pollen
manic bone
#

that is a pretty big sword

gaunt dagger
#

I'm tempted to sell my blink and just go square now.

boreal pollen
gaunt dagger
#

Why be a wizard when I could have 200+ more AS, still at 1s RT, while tanking 800AS wyrm hits in full plate.

boreal pollen
#

enchanting
and you dont need sk to be good as a wizard?

timber pasture
#

The thing that you can't do as well as the HESS? Strong argument!

drifting hamlet
gaunt dagger
#

So you're telling me to adapt and be a square?

drifting hamlet
#

brute might give u free samples of his polymorph potions

timber pasture
#

It's neat that there are all these strong improvements for weapon users. As Alastir implied, it would be nice if there were equally big options for casters, too.

515 isn't on the list.. Spellstorm's disallowed.. where's the opportunity to go crazy on the other end of the spectrum?

hot mesa
#

I'd get the 506 but I dunno. Not sure I want to give up armor support...

modest mauve
boreal pollen
modest mauve
#

Mine are way back there. I have like 50 scrip to my name at this point. Ya'll are excellent entertainment, though.

proud pulsar
#

all I want is my warmaul to be all capital letters.

hot mesa
#

With spaces inbetween?

next magnet
#

Wait are you going warcleric with your 506

modest mauve
#

WARM AUL?

next magnet
#

And your big sword

vale spear
#

tap activator works on worn items right

eager cobalt
#

I fully support 515! Let's do it. What's Spellstorm? A unique script?

proud pulsar
#

A HUMONGOUS WARMAUL seems reasonable.

gaunt dagger
#

If we're selling every professions unique abilities, when is 1109 going to be available

1130?
318?

modest mauve
# eager cobalt I fully support 515! Let's do it. What's Spellstorm? A unique script?

Spellstorm runestaff. Thought to be lost in the ravages of time, it was recently rediscovered. It is five times enchanted and when it flares, it will completely bypass the magical spells on a target. It can also be infused with mana, which boosters your magical attack strength for bolts and warding spells alike, and lowers how long it takes you to cast spells. Lastly, it can also be infused with spirit, then activated to double the enchant of the staff and its mana infused bonus, as well as flaring on every cast (Teaser)

boreal pollen
proud pulsar
#

Oh and also i want a charging crystal but for scrolls, can we get one of those?

gaunt dagger
#

I know, what is restricted and what is not makes no sense whatsoever

next magnet
#

Listen 1606 is class defining

hybrid garden
#

Accepting bloodscrip donations to fund my SK 506 so Brute doesn't become the superior war cleric. 🥺

(On a more serious note, I agree that opening up SK 1109/1130 would be a fantastic move that I'd love, and I'd also add 425 since I don't have that. Although, frankly, I'd even take most of those as x/days at this point. Yes, I know 1109 was offered as an x/day at Spellbound exactly once. If it came back for 100k again, it would go straight into my ranger trinket.)

timber pasture
gaunt dagger
#

If we're not going to have limits anymore, just sell everything. Balance never existed in the first place.

But I expect spell sever to be immediately deleted.

Or let me refund all my x/days + combiners so I can buy a SK insted.

vale spear
bleak crypt
#

SK 1625. Warriors can double bond to weapons. It’s the gold standard of bonding. Gold bonding, if you will

dim jasper
#

And I will

proud pulsar
#

oh or you can bond to 2 weapons

agile spire
#

my TWC warrior wants to bond to 2 weapons...

brazen glacier
#

10 years ago, i would agree with the sentiment on 506, it would have been insane for warriors; all we really had was open ambush - now, with the way vulnerable works from setups, the round time reductions from assaults, cmans and aoes - not to mention (though it was already mentioned in this thread mind you) KS - while some builds will definitely still get a lot from sk/sm 506, it's really not the powerhouse it was - at least for a warrior imo - hell you can just get a pocket bard to tonis you everywhere for 15 bucks a month - maybe this is a bad take?

manic bone
#

If I had the financial means to acquire that steel stort sword from Ondrein I could probably afford 1625 for double bonding too

hot mesa
#

10 years ago did celerity exist? Trying to remember when that was invented, splitting off of haste, which a lot of people had in mage rechargables, which were relatively easy to charge. That's going back a bit further though.

brazen glacier
#

yea i guess i just meant haste - im mentally mapping 506 as the new haste

dim jasper
#

Y’all talking about SK 506… I’m thinking about SK 605. My only concern is I don’t really have any way of testing that the lores/survival works for non-rangers. The wiki entry says the word “ranger” a lot

eager cobalt
#

I was curious about that too. Does SK grant you full lore or do you get hit with the out of circle lore penalty.

dim jasper
#

Full lore. 605 is a bit wonky though, since it mentions Ranger survival ranks

brazen glacier
#

i just want a 215 personally, but im ks so..im eyeing nothing

thin crag
#

wait book sales end tomorrow?

vale spear
#

ikr we need like 30 more days of DR to sort this out

keen idol
#

31st

gaunt dagger
#

506 should be revamped to work like 1202. A wizard-only component to reach 1s RT.

It has been stated time and time again how the spell is balanced around a wizard having 200+ lower AS.

boreal pollen
#

let throw 1213 into the rin while we're at it

thin crag
#

Any word yet on the auction? I've been on a plane for the last couple, and I'm going to be on a plane again Saturday evening

keen idol
#

Thandiwe's announcement still says 30th, but Wyrom announced extended to 31st: #1139096908548296745 message

thin crag
#

OH YAY

olive warren
#

Yeah, it's just to help with the confusion.

thin crag
#

wait the auction is on the 31st?

next magnet
#

no

keen idol
#

Book sales end 31st, which was the answer to your earlier question.

thin crag
#

Oh, what about my second question? 😦

summer fiber
#

Last i heard it was scheduled for on Sept 2nd

next magnet
#

#1139093815924379778 message

#

it may in fact be saturday evening unfortunately

thin crag
#

nooooooo 😦

#

well hopefully it's late afternoon and I can still participate in some of it

boreal pollen
#

if i have x5 spell books pending since saturday, could i request a refund on those so i can buy SK 👀

hybrid garden
#

Another fine case of "don't buy anything (except WPS because of windows) until the last minute." 😄

drifting hamlet
boreal pollen
thin crag
#

when does HESS close?

next cove
eager cobalt
#

Sunday night with everything else

sleek cloud
#

What spells is everyone going to SK / SM?

boreal pollen
warped stump
#

SM 1706, already got it. I've been using a 5x per day 1706 for awhile and ever since auchand beefed up the spell its real good.

gaunt dagger
warped stump
#

You switching to platinum?

next magnet
#

1706 trinket is a very funny idea

sleek cloud
#

I know it's not considered a sexy choice, but Bravery really is good as a SK. Won't get stripped, gives you some fear protection, nice big AS bonus, even for bolts...

next magnet
#

Make a macro where you tell the disir “it’s a standard flare”

boreal pollen
warped stump
#

I have a bag of trixx and have to rub it every 60 seconds. So now I get 506 + 1706. Number synergy!

drifting hamlet
#

sk spell are only good when there is a lore benefit

gaunt dagger
#

I'm just sad that Wyrom has found a way for SK spells to not drop in price further.

They were down to 600-800k last auction

olive warren
#

I'm so confused.

thin crag
#

Wait HESS isn't closing on the 31st is it? Why would we close it before the auction and spinner events?

olive warren
#

I probably need to make another thread for the other stuff.

dim jasper
olive warren
#

HESS is closing at random intervals.

#

I'm kidding, sorry.

sleek cloud
#

Herb Production SK.

olive warren
#

Zhagen is up to 3 101 SK tattoos.

#

Someone stop him.

thin crag
#

I laughed

vale spear
#

I hope they're mailbox tattoos

eager cobalt
#

When he gets to 5, everyone gets a free one?

gaunt dagger
# 
Dett says, "Okay, let's do another SK tattoo.  No circle limitation.  Since the rune tattoo stuff was confusing.  I'm not doing anymore rune tattoos.  Just needs to be found on scrolls.  But we'll let 1109 in this time."
Sintas registers a new bid of 2,100,000 bloodscrip.
Price match to Azanoth.

Feb. Mania - 2023 (2.1m for 506)

Dett exclaims, "Okay next is SPIRITUAL SPELL CIRLCES.  That's 100s, 200s, 300s, 600s, and 1600s!  Has to be on scrolls!"
Altheren registers a new bid of 800,000 bloodscrip.

Feb. Mania - 2023 (800k for 215)

Dett says, "Okay, same thing but ELEMENTAL SPELL CIRCLES SK tattoo.  So 400s, 500s, 700s, 900s.  Needs to be on scrolls.  No 506 this time around."
Idalias registers a new bid of 725,000 bloodscrip.

Feb. Mania - 2023 (725k for 712)

manic bone
#

And this HESS 1m x 10 at least probably

thin crag
#

but seriously...is HESS actually closing before the auction/spinner events? I don't think that's how it's usually done

hot mesa
eager cobalt
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Hess closes Sunday night along with all the other shops
#duskruin message

thin crag
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thank you!

boreal pollen
vale spear
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any good SK ideas for pures?

dim jasper
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613 seems good. 1711? 1706?

next magnet
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SK 1711 would be funny

eager cobalt
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resistance to sheer fear-based attacks on 613. Never noticed that.

next magnet
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SK 712?

dim jasper
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My understanding is that SK 712 doesn't support the retribution ability. I'd love to be wrong on that though

gaunt dagger
next magnet
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can you get 1912 haha

mortal ledge
dim jasper
next magnet
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608, ward sniper time

gaunt dagger
# next magnet can you get 1912 haha

I don't think whale circle is available.

  • 215 = +25 AS/Fear resist

  • 211 = +15 AS/Fear resist

  • 513 = +20 bAS

  • 712 = +25 DS/+20 TD

  • 613 = +20 DS/sTD + Fear resist

  • 313 = +10 DS/sTD + Maneuver defense

stark sierra
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Apologies if already asked, do SK items include max lore benefits of the spell?

eager cobalt
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They do. Well, they don't include max lore benefits, but if you have the lores, you gain full benefit.

next magnet
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SK 604 never fail an herb bounty in the atoll again

eager cobalt
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and refill the room with enough lore!

bleak crypt
summer fiber
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I have been considering V'tulls Fury myself.

stark sierra
gaunt dagger
summer fiber
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Don't think I didn't look at your whale circle list.

olive warren
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#1146339804376727592 message

amber hazel
amber hazel
candid oxide
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Holy guacamole. I really should've held onto my bloodscrip 😬

indigo cipher
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I would suggest that with how late in the game the Barrow stuff is coming out, some assurance the items will be available next run could help prevent some really unpleasant/unhealthy binges over the next couple days. Much like the mid transmutes knowing they'll be back, at least next run, prevented people from going overboard

amber hazel
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Yeah. I think a whole lot of people are likely already deep into FOMO spending to get these before this event ends. Not super healthy. Knowing this stuff will be there in Feb, like the transmutes, would be helpful.

bleak crypt
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Will there be a cert offered that helps me make up for the sleep that I lost, thinking (not dreaming) of SKs and SMs?

bleak crypt
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I was thinking it should be a scrip with good ambiens.

torpid shale
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Oh my. I went to bed at 10:30. My mistake

gaunt dagger
torpid shale
candid oxide
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In a world of spell sever, even defensive spells have a place. 1208 for more MTD in HW for example.

dim jasper
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Yeah, I'm thinking about 613

amber hazel
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Put 1109 and 1130 on the list. If 506 is unlimited I sincerely don’t understand why any spells are being restricted anymore. Put 515 on too. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

candid oxide
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Even 509 for me would be good, as I usually dedicate a sever slot to it. gnomelife. Also let's make 1109 work with ranged so I can want that too 😆

wooden geode
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The fact they're selling us fixes for in-game nerfs (spell-sever) at real world thousands of dollar pricing is a little unsettling to me. Dev tries to restrict things to make things more balanced and then we get told forget Dev, we'll let you bypass it for a few thousand dollars. It's all just a bit baffling to me.

amber hazel
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Physical RT classes can pay a few grand to bypass RT, but 515 isnt being allowed. It’s out of my budget either way, but this is pretty funny. Goes into how people have been saying there isn’t that much enticing stuff at the top end for pures

wooden geode
drifting hamlet
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they already put that out earlier in the year,sk will get updated like the spell

wooden geode
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Not everyone can read every discord post or knows how to use discord search. To expect players to read every post ever to keep updated with all the ongoing changes is a bit crazy. Hence my question if there is some sort of disclaimer given to those wanting to buy these SK certs.

candid oxide
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I too am torn. I had mostly written off SK for myself due to past price points + limited availability. Part of me obviously wants the power spike, and like many my mind is reeling with the possibilities. The other part of me says "this is a terrible idea for the game"

drifting hamlet
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how is that different from when people should have known about parasites weapon bein g bone or elven armor can't be any other material other than eahnor,vaalorn, or high steel?

torpid shale
# wooden geode The fact they're selling us fixes for in-game nerfs (spell-sever) at real world ...

So I wanna comment on this. As a buyer of SKs and other silly things. I know what devs stance is. I know what the rules are moving forward. I don’t think that Dev is making an active decision here to sell me and others SKs. I think that myself and others have been asking, repeatedly, that they sell us some SKs and this is a compromised response between development and other GMs when trying to find offerings that we wish to partake in.

indigo cipher
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I suspect if dev had their druthers, there wouldn't be any SK's at all most likely, at any price point.

gaunt dagger
amber hazel
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Seriously just sell all the spells. Why are any off limits? Dev claims balance matters and events team is like “lol settle down bud”. If the limiting factor on these things has always been pricing and availability then either we agree we don’t need limits anymore, or we have determined the pricing is limiting enough. Either way I don’t get why there are any spells not allowed at this point.

gaunt dagger
wooden geode
# drifting hamlet how is that different from when people should have known about parasites weapon ...

Personally, I look at the wiki for information because it's supposed to be a repository of truth about the game. I need to double check, but last I looked there was no mention there about SKs and future reviews changing them and originals not being pushed in the forgotten arts circle as all that was said on Discord. The transmutation cert in question your using as example did state to check script/item properties for restrictions. Which those various pages on the wiki did state those limitations.

muted void
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I thought that other people had poor reading comprehension because the SK was the same as the unattuned list, but it's actually the attuned list?!? Very surprising to see so many SK options available

gaunt dagger
drifting hamlet
muted void
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Confusing set up to me. Offering everything as SK kind of makes offering the same list / same price for SM mostly irrelevant

dim jasper
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SMs have their place. I use them for getting past hindrance. Also bag of trrix

gaunt dagger
amber hazel
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I’ll ask the dumb question. How can a tattoo not be attuned? Isn’t it attuned by default?

muted void
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I understand that. That's why I said mostly irrelevant. I expected more of a tradeoff between SK/SM options, not for SM to be a niche add on to SKs

gaunt dagger
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The biggest sus to me is that "price" is supposed to be a limiting factor but, it doesn't seem to be a limiting factor at all, and the MIND WRACK FLARE is more expensive.

torpid shale
# gaunt dagger Dev has to approve the items for sale. If you think Estild is in the dark about...

I mean, I don't think I implied that anyone is in the dark. I just don't feel like I am being taken advantage of. I'll agree that not all info is readily known in regards to SKs moving forward. I also disagree with the sentiment that they are backpedling for offering SKs for cash again. They made the rules, and then we the buyers said "hey, find a compromise so we can buy these things again" and they did. I don't see any dark and nefarious deeds there. And yes of course Estild is part of the decision, but I think there is a big difference between dev actively looking for ways to devalue and screw us and them just following a vision for the game and sales trying to find things that we the players want and are asking for.

Look what you made me do, I got talkie. I am usually just full of memes.

pallid axle
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You can move the sm item around. If you attune it’s a less restrictive list but I assume ties to your account like normal attune. Sk by being a tat is character attuned. All of this was a mistake imo 🙂

indigo cipher
torpid shale
dim jasper
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Altheren is untethered!

gaunt dagger
# torpid shale I mean, I don't think I implied that anyone is in the dark. I just don't feel l...

They made the rules, and then "you" as buyers said, hey, we don't like the rules, and we'll pay you money to let us break them. And they said, sure, even though we said we'll never sell these things again. We'll now offer 506 to everyone, for half the price of what it sold for at the last auction. But we'll say that things are limited by "price" at the same time.

I agree that dev isn't actively looking for ways to devalue and screw you.

They nerfed X/days only. I guess I didn't spend enough to avoid being nerfed.

drifting hamlet
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i mean make your own sk was offer for 300k once too, i don't see what is the big deal

dim jasper
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I mean, I'm just gonna say, I doubt that 506 is available at 1m again anytime soon

indigo cipher
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this mostly illustrates that pricing instability is a bad thing, and them fixing the price means people can now make informed decisions going forward, and not have all this angst about things getting cheaper, which is generally a good thing for buyers

hexed canopy
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I think 506 will never be sold at another pay event

drifting hamlet
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gs is fluid~

dusky blaze
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Never say never!

torpid shale
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I too think this is going to be thing you won't see again for quite some time. Enhansive combiner and Sks. At least not at this price point. SKs at least. I think the enhansive combiner is "chef's kiss" pricing.

indigo cipher
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refusing to sell it again would just make the general level of FOMO go up, and upvalue what's already out there

amber hazel
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506 should absolutely bear a Wizard profession bonus of allowing 1s RT. 2s should be the floor for non wizards. Never gonna happen and too late now but this is a legit mess.

gaunt dagger
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Just give me 200 more AS and full plate DF as a wizard.

torpid shale
indigo cipher
drifting hamlet
gaunt dagger
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Maybe this is the start of admitting that balance isn't real and will never happen, and they'll delete spell sever.

indigo cipher
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I personally think they should. Trying to balance around people only having their native spells has too many exceptions. Instead, balance around assuming people have EVERY spell, and people can fill the gaps with scrolls and embeds

pallid axle
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and while i don't care particuarly about what's being sold (honestly i just consider most people even contemplating this as just not even playing gemstone anymore. it's gotten a bit farcical. have fun with whatever game you're playing though!) i thought the delay here was working out restrictions that made sense, drafting verbiage to make that clear, accounting for and making obvious the previously announced future spell changes for these sales, etc. Like i honestly thought the delay was getting all of those eventualities and questions accounted for and information collected to have at least here or on a sign with the item.

and it ended up being "lol idk have haste"

median echo
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I find it interesting that something offered at over 2k usd worth of simucoin entries is considered cheap. It’s also going to be a problem because now everyone will have one. Is the entire player base spending this much? This is happening while people say pricing at these events in general is way too high.

However it lands, I don’t really care what others are doing at this point. Let them have fun. With 506 coming as attuned, let someone have their cake

amber hazel
hexed canopy
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Why would they delete the problem that people are solving for? If anything they’ll make an area with enhancive sever where SKs no longer work and you’ll have to purchase a solution for that problem

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Mind you, I think enhancive sever is a great idea, just in case you forgot!

drifting hamlet
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this is just the ground work for enhancive sever! i like it

gaunt dagger
amber hazel
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Why no 515? Seriously. 515 is one of the legit only actual power ceiling increases you can get as a pure in this game where the sum total of pure itemization is “got a runestaff? Got armor? You’re done”

hexed canopy
gaunt dagger
dim jasper
tropic monolith
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I mean 515 is due to it not being on scrolls , same reason 1109 and 1606 aren't on there, it's just the limitation they've used in the past

hexed canopy
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In before “we don’t balance around individuals” followed by “price is a limiting factor and was requested by the playerbase”

drifting hamlet
edgy crystal
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I'm still not really a fan of spell sever, having to make sure you only have 2 spells to use and if someone cast another spell on your it has the potential to lose the ones you wanted to keep. I don't really like not being able to work with others for spells because you are limited. Just my take, I don't really understand why the zone wasn't made difficult based off of the spells you can get rather then add an over complicated mechanic in the mix

amber hazel
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Yeah so add all those spells. I think at this point pretending balance is a factor in P2W is laughable. Sell 515 1109 1130. Just go hog wild.

gaunt dagger
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I'm considering just stopping all spending. I'm getting no power increase for what I spend. So why bother anymore. Hope you can keep finding things for the whales to buy.

amber hazel
edgy crystal
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I'm sure you can get a.001 percent power increase by spending 400k bs and still die to an open roll

drifting hamlet
amber hazel
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Brute buys polymorph at Costco ask him to sell you one

boreal pollen
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whats the airlore requirement on celerity to swing a ohb 1 sec?

edgy crystal
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need to buy the unlock that allows you to change professions to level up at will like in FFXIV

gaunt dagger
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I'm going to take a nap and then revisit this thread, nothing good is going to come from what I have to say this morning.

haughty socket
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like the tides, it goes from happy to angry on a predictable cycle

eager cobalt
tropic monolith
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I think we wouldn't be having any arguments if the MIU training for extra spell sever slots thing had ever been implemented but /shrug

I hope people have fun with their very expensive new toys, that is all

edgy crystal
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All these nice items so you can improve your efficiency and hit the loot cap quicker for the month. 🤣

candid oxide
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TBH SM 518 sounds hilariously fun for my bolting ranger. Actually, would still want SK even for bolts to capitalize on lore benefits I suppose