#The Grand Auction of 5123 (Part 1)

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silver imp
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Yeah, we were opening the warehouse up every 30ish minutes. We had a team of GMs helping out last week. Just making sure we have a good number of staff that can do the earlier hours.

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I'm hoping we'll be done in roughly 2 hours with what's left.

shut fern
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great thank you so much! I look forward to it.

silver cape
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is this time locked in yet or are we still in a maybe state?

maiden kite
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The threat of the hammer in that vid cracks me up, EDIT - gah I was way scrolled back Thandiwe_Time

odd seal
silver cape
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oof

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I'm just trying to get my ducks in a row too.

north palm
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it sounds like Wyrom is waiting to hear back on his support team before he can provide confirmation.

ocean copper
mental light
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Wyrom, would you mind pinning the date and time when it's set please? I don't want to miss it 🙂

crisp vector
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#general-announcements message

keen kelp
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this used to be prime teaser time 😦

ripe pecan
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Sorry?

keen kelp
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prime is a loaded word for gs, i just meant there was a period last week before the auction folks were dropping early morning teasers around this time and it was fun 😛

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just being whistful for the late night degen crew, the hawaii life

ripe pecan
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tentacle this is my latest teaser and no you won’t find it in the list of things for auction.

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Oh I forgot to add a second tentacle

keen kelp
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sk tentacle familiar twins!

ripe pecan
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Not that cool. Lol

keen kelp
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haha

ripe pecan
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It is a legit teaser though.

keen kelp
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ooooo!

verbal flare
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like eonak arm but a tentacle?

keen kelp
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actually solid guess

ripe pecan
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Hah no

keen kelp
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BUT IT WAS A GOOD GUESS

loud echo
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Baby kraken pet obviously

keen kelp
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Release the kraken!

gleaming sorrel
gaunt ice
loud echo
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People were hoping for a teaser on one of the two unknowns of the list, although seems there could be at least one other unknown based in khorbins tease

gaunt ice
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Yeah they gave out over 50 teasers so I figured they were kinda all teased out. They being staff.

placid otter
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Khorbins teaser is that halfway through he's unleashing a horde of violent octopii on the crowd

ripe pecan
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Hah, no. It's nothing newly added, I just never teased it beforehand.

nova haven
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new level 60-70 hunting ground with undead octopi?

maiden kite
ripe pecan
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I don't think people would like something like though. Visually it sounds appealing but constant grapples probably doesn't play well.

crisp vector
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ultros greatrune

nova haven
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although I guess undead 🐙 might not feel pain

devout pawn
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undead 🐙 might revel in pain.

lethal harbor
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Queries to staff or the highly informed bidder:

Can I “bid next” to have the block move me up to the next increment?

Can I type bid 25m without adding any zeroes, with the m there to signify millions, and have that work?

maiden kite
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Yes that is how I was bidding last time (60m 70m, etc. ). The "bid next" thing though... I thought that wasn't implemented on purpose, i.e. they didn't want someone to accidentally go over their maximum internal price

opaque wharf
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K and m work after number to signify thousand and millions. As to next i do not think so

maiden kite
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When someone bids, you see the "next minimum bid is X" amount on the room output

lethal harbor
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Awesome. Thank you both muchly for the prompt and detailed reply! blobhearts

grim nest
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A tentacle, they say.

round sleet
# lethal harbor Queries to staff or the highly informed bidder: Can I “bid next” to have the b...

If you type HELP in the bidding room, it has the options (obviously not available at the moment) - here's the blurb from my logs:

BID {amount}
Amount may be shortened to ###k (for thousands) or ###m (for millions).  Bid will also be recognized if you use a decimal point or commas.

Examples of valid bids:
    BID 1000  - 1000 silver
    BID 25k   - 25000 silver
    BID 1m    - 1,000,000 silver
    BID 4.5k  - 4,500 silver
    BID 2,500 - 2,500 silver```
loud echo
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The m works with decimals too yeah from what Mandan posted. All my bids of the night were like bid 20m or bid 111.8m. Or whatnot

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Made it pretty easy

leaden sonnet
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Where is the list of what's left?

iron jasper
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There is a list pinned to the channel

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of what was announced and what was sold

leaden sonnet
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I miss have missed that one, second attempt time

loud echo
leaden sonnet
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I see, a sold tab

odd seal
loud echo
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the last 3 items on the auction #1 there, will be re-added as they were all broken, so we'll see those along with the other items that hadn't come up for bid yet

round sleet
leaden sonnet
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a jagged obsidian backslasher
a white-feathered grey silk cloak
a split-sleeved gown of lapis silk braced in a cincher of ivory-carved snow drops
a high-collared nacre velvet gown enveloped in a mantle of pale mink
a tiny tag-affixed key
a spherical milky white eyeball caught in a lattice of thin chains
a floor-length jet black cloth-of-veniom duster with a voluminous silver-edged hood
a cracked faewood amulet
an enruned white ora scarab
a glaes-hilted dark ghezyte claidhmore with scintillating chromatic edges
a burnished golvern still affixed with a drakar plate
an annular medallion of blue-tinted lacewood
a burled mesquite disc set with a spiral of picture jasper
an odd-looking plant
a white and green jade teapot
a mottled grey leather tome stamped with a stylized mushroom
a sand-worn pale leather tome emblazoned with a stylized sun
a dark blue leather tome bordered with stylized arctic brambles
a rectangular cedar and maple humidor
an intricately etched lintilia wand inlaid with anemone coral xan'ayra
a grey-spotted narwhal hide tricorn edged with scrimshaw
a strand of polished copper prayerbeads
a polished steel shield stickpin
an ebon burnt velvet cloak patterned with sheer runic shapes
a pearlescent purple philter
a sky blue crystal globe charm
a horseshoe-embossed blue property voucher
a shell-painted red property voucher
a tightly woven leather harness
a temporal warblade
some sinewy monster flesh
a tiny silver cat's bell tied to a red ribbon
a glowing urnon pie box painted with prancing roltons
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That seems to be the remaining list, at least according to the computer

royal cedar
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I would be very worried about a BID NEXT command. I think you’re quickly going to be paying more than you think you are. I can imagine safeguards, but each one makes the command less useful

round sleet
crisp vector
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I hope they absolutely do not try and add features to BID at all between now and Sunday, please let's not introduce potential new bugs

latent jay
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if they did that, which i think its just safest to limit peoples ability to accidentally bid from 0 to whale prices for something they were just shooting their shot on, i'd say it would need to require a max value. i.e. bid next 25m so bid the minimum amount, not to exceed 25 million.

but i also would say that would potentially encourage a lot of people to just keep face rolling on the next cheapest bid and slow things down vs getting to more realistic prices quicker.

lethal harbor
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Agreed. I don’t think any feature creep has been mentioned or suggested! 😅 Wasn’t trying to alarm anyone in asking if that was a bid command already in existence.

grim nest
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What's the plant.

leaden sonnet
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Makes plants that you graft to it for crafting stuff

plain delta
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Can't be used for bounties.

grim nest
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Oh neat.

static wave
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its a grow your own foragable

plain delta
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But great for stills/cooking!

static wave
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Veolas

novel falcon
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Can you bid more than you have on you?

leaden sonnet
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No

novel falcon
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Bid block all day then

crisp vector
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do bid block 300m yakushi that means if you win yakushi has to pay for it

royal cedar
latent jay
unreal lily
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Has the date for the rest of the auction been established?

loud echo
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Yes, it's in general announcements, but Sunday at noon edt

unreal lily
mental pier
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but does that mean you can graft foraged item prop plants to it too or just actual forageables

royal fjord
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Is the March auction part 2 tomorrow going to be automated? i.e. run concurrently in Plat?

iron sun
royal fjord
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It did not! Doenay went on a bender for us as well

shadow mist
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we just got a bit further

static wave
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auction

young salmon
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so tomorrow at noon elven?

cinder notch
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Do the elves respect DST?

lethal harbor
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What has dst done for the monarchy? Nothing! Elves are also against arbitrary time changes that make you feel tired and off kilter for a week afterwards.

prisma wadi
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It's unnatural, unhealthy, and generally disliked. It ironically increases fuel usage (lamp oil) for those without magic illumination too, which was actually one of the reasons it was introduced - to save such.

abstract forum
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We only do it to minimize confusion since the rest of the world does. We'd love to change it, really. We totally will someday, when we get around to it. Blame our -DIS modifier.

sage tundra
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I can’t help but feel partly responsible

cinder notch
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Does the disk tilt

silver imp
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Do we have an auction tomorrow?

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Oh wrong channel.

odd root
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i thought this was the Christian mingle discord

silver imp
odd root
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this actually explains a lot......

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Would it be negative of me to assume this is the scedule?
9am - Auction starts
9:01 Auction breaks
10:13 auction starts

ripe pecan
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I know the ||redacted || is happening tomorrow.

royal cedar
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Does it start with a g?

silver imp
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Actually, I do have an update. The entrance into the auction will break groups. Luckily it was not a concern last week (we had enough concerns, amirite??), but F2P was able to enter in a group.

verbal flare
robust salmon
verbal flare
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oh he's one of those

nimble bolt
verbal flare
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they all fled to texas and florida

keen kelp
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as a sleep deprived west coaster, i too am debating if i want to even try to get up or just sleep =p

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im torn! i want to attend - but my realistic chances of being able to purchase something are slim to nil - its fun to watch VS sleeping

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decisions decisions

verbal flare
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Can we move the auction back to 7 pm? I don't want to get up in 5 hours.

keen kelp
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brute is my spirit animal

south charm
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Don't go to sleep, problem solved Brute

verbal flare
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it's a sunday

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i'm not degenerate enough to skip sleep for an auction.... i hope

keen kelp
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^

plain delta
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Casil, on the spider bracer, is it going to remain a limited offering, or will it be offered at DR or another pay event in the future?
If you are going to offer it at a pay event I think it would be cool and worth the time to add some fluff interaction with the spider bags, if possible.
Also found it amusing that the loresong value of it was the price paid at auction. Is that a new mechanic? Or I just haven't noticed it before?

nova wagon
north palm
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is there a list of what remains and what the item properties are?

brazen chasm
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where was the auction at again? and it's at 12 est?

north palm
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ent in WL at noon EST

mental light
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it's off the wedding glade near WL, go warehouse

brazen chasm
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thanks! forgot where it was already. heh

prisma wadi
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2.5 hrs from now, right?

static wave
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yes

distant bone
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Yes.

brazen chasm
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I'm just going to spectate at this point. already got my one account item and broke. 🤣

leaden sonnet
north palm
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thanks, I see the list on the wiki- I got confused because I looked at the calendar and it said April and I looked at the April auction page...

leaden sonnet
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Yea, I just did it in the spreadsheet and pulled out anything in the sold list that matched in the opposite array

odd seal
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At what time will silver passing be disabled?

hollow elm
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20 minutes ago

forest knoll
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Can someone please pin today's starting time and location and get rid of the few old date/times? Thank you

royal cedar
loud echo
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Probably right at noon, the expected start time, like last week was done at the expected start

distant bone
north palm
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I don't think that's the right message Thandiwe

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#general-announcements message

distant bone
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Wyrom — 03/30/2023 6:11 PM
The Grand Auction of 5123's reschedule will take place April 2nd at roughly noon ET. See you then! Same rules will apply from before! Nothing has been reset, so if you already won a bid, you won't be able to buy something new until the auction later in April.

distant bone
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Since that was never put in here?

plain delta
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It was not.

distant bone
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And now it is.

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And now it is pinned.

north palm
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the one you pinned says 11am

keen sedge
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sounds like we start when wyrom wakes up, huh?

distant bone
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I removed the old pin and pinned the above, Rinualdo.

forest knoll
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Thanks Thandiwe

vague onyx
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does it need to be landing notes?

wise bolt
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Glad to see there weren't any delays for right now! It's any notes.

small path
vague onyx
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ty

mental light
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Im excited, heh

clear smelt
mental light
static wave
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first nail press for this auction went out already, second in the RoL auction though

mental light
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but there were two on the list.. I knew I shoulda gone for first.. darn wand harness lol

polar veldt
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Who knows what surprises await!

static wave
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the shadow knows

grim nest
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I know

mental light
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surprise me with a nail press

green bear
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/hands you a nail press. It's just a couple wooden blocks with iron nails in between.

grim nest
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instructions unclear now you have an eel press

green bear
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oooh eel press.

static wave
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press them eels

green bear
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Eels press back

static wave
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my frigatebird familiar will make short work of them

mental light
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:locks Xynwen in with a bunch of drunk CHE officers as revenge:

green bear
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Hah, child's play!

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/turns loose her pocket Plur

mental light
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LOLOL

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I miss Plur heh, he did the diaper dance at the fashion show once.. was a riot!

north palm
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Plur is around

mental light
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well I keep missing him! lol

static wave
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various bits of graffiti dot the landing:
PLUR LIVES!

WHO IS JOHN PLUR?

nova haven
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One of my favorite things is when he accidentally logs in Plur, streaks through TSC and logs out

mental light
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So about that nail press....

nova haven
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There isn't one until the RoL auction I think

mental light
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:grumbles

nova haven
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that means you can buy a dress AND a nail press next weeken... whenever the RoL auction is

mental light
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gasp!

round sleet
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This warehouse has Dispel tier 9000

solemn star
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Wow everyone has way too many spells

grim nest
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Maybe we should have realized that my spells surviving it last time was a harbinger of woe

robust agate
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Here we go again. 🎉

mental light
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this should be fun

royal cedar
verbal flare
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man I'm excited for the next 7 hours, this is gonna be a great auction

loud echo
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alright I'm ready for everything to go super smooth and be outta here in like 90 minutes

cobalt bronze
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Hopefully we can keep the game crashing to <1 this round

boreal smelt
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Im just going to sob at all the silvers being flaunted around

robust agate
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I for one anticipate 0.3 crashes this time.

north palm
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Usage:

    EVENT BOX                - Check for event boxes being offered.
    EVENT STATS {event name} - provides stats for the specified paid event.

Current valid options include DUSKRUIN, RUMOR WOODS, EBON GATE.

The Auction Event is not open at this time.  It is scheduled to open at 3/26/2023 19:00:00 eastern.```
cobalt bronze
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and it begins....

crisp vector
raven trench
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Nice - I’m stuck in traffic so still have a chance of getting in…

round sleet
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ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLLLLE

loud echo
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it's the final countdown

half musk
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plays lively keyboard melody

leaden sonnet
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Remember, if you lose. Take it personally.

round sleet
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In the blue corner, we have Wyrom and team. Their opponent in the red corner, the insatiable and implacable GS Players

maiden kite
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G'luck all! Here's a classic ritual pic for luck

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leaden sonnet
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We got the auctioneer hooked up and ready to go

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strong apex
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Must cast 906 to activate it

round sleet
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Just remember the do-hickey plugs into the whatchamacallit, not the thingamabob

verbal flare
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15 min in

cobalt bronze
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As long as the RPA is coursing through my veins..... 🤤

nova haven
silver imp
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We wanted to see how a Platinum item went. They didn't bid on the first item.

robust agate
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😂

crisp vector
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oof

mental light
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lol

sharp fiber
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For the next one, it would really be good if you logged out and logged in in the room. My computer crashed immediately at the start and I missed the RPA and am locked out, it sucks.

distant karma
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Its was a +2000 enchant potion

robust agate
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First up, a golvern still!

sage tundra
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Well it’s good that you tested that possibility

static wave
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starting off strong

placid otter
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event isn't working

static wave
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Gingerette says, "Doenay is examining the still for a moment."

shadow mist
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it wasn't for us at the beginning either, it did as soon as the first item went up

hollow elm
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Event worked for me.

crisp vector
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not me it just shows usage

robust agate
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It worked for me once, then stopped. But Gingerette says it's paused and hang tight.

loud echo
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they are fixing "event" I believe

mental light
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event didn't work for me either heh but inspect did

uneven pumice
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Just silence us

nova haven
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oooh am I missing drama?

cobalt bronze
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They need to say "next person who moves gets deleted". It would be fun to see who moves.

nova haven
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next person to move gets their inventory max item cap set to 150

round sleet
sharp fiber
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Would be appreciated if the warehouse could be opened again briefly when the technical issues are fixed

round sleet
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ADHD prevalence
worldwide: 2.8%
GS Auctions: 79%

distant bone
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Event is functional again.

spark meadow
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whats the verbage to bid?

static wave
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bid <amount> block
you can use shorthand like 55m etc

odd seal
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No block necessary 😛 too soon

distant bone
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No block is necessary

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BID <amount>

frank sundial
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unless you want to bid in billions

verbal flare
round sleet
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If you type HELP in game:

BID {amount}
Amount may be shortened to ###k (for thousands) or ###m (for millions).  Bid will also be recognized if you use a decimal point or commas.

Examples of valid bids:
    BID 1000  - 1000 silver
    BID 25k   - 25000 silver
    BID 1m    - 1,000,000 silver
    BID 4.5k  - 4,500 silver
    BID 2,500 - 2,500 silver```
round sleet
static wave
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slowly creeping towards the Plat cost

loud echo
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Examples of valid bids:
BID 1000 - 1000 silver
BID 25k - 25000 silver
BID 1m - 1,000,000 silver
BID 4.5k - 4,500 silver
BID 2,500 - 2,500 silver

robust agate
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Sophye wins the still for 130m!
Next up... MK Mug backslasher!

static wave
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congrats!
surprised it went for more in PLAT

nova haven
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Only 130m on that? oof

wary charm
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Plat clearly has more of a drinking problem.

sand mist
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look at that difficulty

spark meadow
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why does that backslasher have such a difficulty?

round sleet
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Interesting how this was pointed out as having picking locks enhancive last week, but wasn't fixed 😛

loud echo
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obsidian is -500

placid otter
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probably was in lockdown in the auction hopper so couldn't change it

distant karma
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Current Bid/Cost: 375,000 silvers

You note the following details about a white-feathered grey silk cloak:

It appears to weigh about 6 pounds.
It is estimated to be worth about 350,000 silvers.
It is a container with a maximum interior capacity of 200 pounds with room for any number of items.
It is predominantly crafted of cloth.
A white-feathered grey silk cloak is intended for a devout follower of Gosaena and will basically "turn off" if worn by one who is not.  Clerics have a broader benefit in the teleport ability in that the location options are expanded to include Gosaena's prayer room in the local cleric guild, if one exists.  This white-feathered cloak may be altered as long as "white feathers" remains in the item description.

Ambient messaging is currently inactive.  PROD the CLOAK to turn it on.

USAGE:
  EXHALE, PULL, SCRATCH, TURN, WEAR/REMOVE (fluff)
  FOLD - Activate Gosaena's Resolve for 10 seconds.  Can be used while incapacitated.   Remaining Uses Today: 2
  PONDER - See available transport locations
  PROD - Toggle ambient messaging on/off
  WHISPER [CLOAK] HELP - Get some information about the cloak.
  WHISPER [CLOAK]  SHRINE - Immediate travel to the nearest Gosaena shrine in this realm.  You must be outside in order to harness this power.

This cloak was created for the 2023 Auction.```
robust agate
cobalt bronze
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What did the last MK mug item go for?

loud echo
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lesser transmute will get make it 600ish

round sleet
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How many mugs does it take to recoup 200m? 😆

drowsy warren
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is 1099 difficulty correct there?

robust agate
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Falicor wins the MK Mug backslasher for 200m!
Next up... polished copper prayerbeads, +5 Cleric Base enhancive.

crisp vector
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That difficulty is brutal

loud echo
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it basically needs a lesser transmute

keen sedge
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can that get lesser transmuted away from obsidian?

drowsy warren
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is obsidian an organic material? lol

robust agate
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Jahira says, "1099... because the wielder of that sword works for themself."

royal cedar
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What is Gosaena's Resolve?

static wave
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to stuff everyone behind the gate-eventually

celest thistle
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A special buff!

robust agate
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Dhairn wins the Cleric Base enhancive for 100m!
Next up... the pie box!

crisp vector
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how did the empath spellbook item go for the most of any spellbook item yet and they don't even have a service

halcyon igloo
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You can lesser to glaes for those who wondered

robust agate
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Oh yes, finally the good stuff. 😍

loud echo
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oh god... it's the pie box...

robust agate
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C'moooooooooon Gutstorm. 🤣

latent jay
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has to change his name to Piestorm if he wins

royal cedar
robust agate
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Clown wins the pie box for 110m!
Next up... Tintinabar!

spark meadow
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very fitting

loud echo
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ok... I cannot even argue with the pie thrower going to Clown

static wave
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hoping thats starchitin heh

robust agate
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I'd be bidding, but Lexbubba wants it, so no. 😂

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Well, he said he did...

cobalt bronze
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live debate, this item better than troll heart?

latent jay
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porque no los dos?

robust agate
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Kysari wins the Tintinabar for 126m!
Next up... a property!

sand mist
robust agate
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The cat part is the only thing I cared about! Got Symbol of Restoration for health needs!

sand mist
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I only cared about the HP

loud echo
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the cat part was the best part

verbal flare
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i wouldn't mind a mana version

crisp vector
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Mana or stamina would be way, way more attractive. HP is so easy to quickly regain

verbal flare
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especially if we can turn off the cat part

robust agate
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Balekia wins the property for 135m!
Next up... ultra sanctify potion.

shadow mist
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the overcoat go out yet?

loud echo
shadow mist
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I'm sorry, the duster

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thanks

static wave
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lol well balanced player service

verbal flare
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judging by how much these single pour elixirs go for I think simu should really consider bringing back GUB

robust agate
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This is the item catering to the last chance GUB buyers, heh.

nova haven
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They knew what they were doing with Sanct and then a bunch of ascension undead hunting grounds

spark meadow
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drain that silver

robust agate
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If this item doesn't end up in the HESS or Spellbound by August, I literally never want to hear accusations of greed toward the staff again. 😛

nova haven
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Still waiting on a 60-70 undead hunting ground tho

mental light
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lol

strong apex
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Could you imagine chugging the potion and then fumbling the cast?

loud echo
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we need to price match this thing...

mental light
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omg

robust agate
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Exdeo wins the Sanctify potion for 466m!
Next up... the Gosaena cloak!

drowsy warren
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how much for a bundle deal for 6 of these? heh

distant karma
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It appears to weigh about 4 pounds.
It is estimated to be worth about 600,000 silvers.
It is a container with a maximum interior capacity of 200 pounds with room for any number of items.  It appears to reduce the weight of its contents by 66%.
It is predominantly crafted of cloth.
The duster can be worn, hanging it from the shoulders.  The duster appears to serve some purpose.

The leather duster is a garment that changes messaging depending on the climate you're in, or whether it is raining/snowing outside.  This item can be altered, it just needs to remain the basic essence of what the item is (no changing a cloak into a dress, but a cloak into a coat is fine).

  The duster is fully unlocked with feature concealer ability.  It has 16 verbs.
  This is currently set to be a coat of some sort.
  The duster is currently hooded with the following custom hood: voluminous silver-edged hood.
  The duster currently has the following for custom fastenings: ghostwood knot buttons.
  The duster currently has default pockets, but it could have custom ones added by a skilled merchant.  Options are a small pocket, a large pocket, small scabbards, weapon loops, large pouches, and small pouches.```
verbal flare
shadow mist
#

beauty

verbal flare
#

these heavy weight loss cloaks always kill me

static wave
#

I was just going to say "I respect sticking to item conformity" but not even 0.5 weight drama cloaks at auction 😦

celest thistle
#

You do not have to be a cleric to teleport -- being a cleric allows you to teleport to the cleric guilds, otherwise, it's only teleporting to the Gosaena shrines

verbal flare
#

"reduces weight by 33%" "weighs 12 lb"

round sleet
#

33% of 200 is a lot more than 12lbs

static wave
#

but its less than 33% +10lbs

verbal flare
#

it's also 12 lb more than 0.5 lb

keen sedge
#

what is the resolve ability?

nova haven
#

a mystery

verbal flare
#

tele to shrine?

static wave
#

a new ability

#

Siduine says, "Resolve = It will restore 100% of your missing health, 10% per second over 10 seconds, 2.5 percent of your mana, and 2.5 percent of your stamine, it also boosts your DS and TD by a bunch."

maiden kite
#

That's a neat item, Haliste!

nova haven
#

Yo can we get the archaic Fash'no'lae teleport cloak updated to that standard, haha

robust agate
#

Emyle wins the Gosaena cloak for 200m!
Next up... a property!

north palm
#

we clearly need more deity cloaks like this one

loud echo
#

Fash'lo'nae cloak would go for 500m haha

drowsy warren
#

would be cool if there was one for each deity - with its own unique flavor/flare - but one-of-a-kind

plain delta
#

Wish I hadn't bought something last week now.

cobalt bronze
#

everyone is restocked with coins so the prices are big

latent jay
#

Ronan cloak, easily INT_MAX

nova haven
raven trench
#

Wish the door would open!

robust pumice
#

JOMO

cobalt bronze
leaden sonnet
#

Idk, that mug short sword went for way less than I expected considering it pays for itself lol

strong apex
#

People are going big for this, but the smart money would wait until the next 6 come out next month

nova haven
static wave
#

interesting to see the middle class property prices creeping up. not sure I believe its because more silvers. Maybe a new crop of people able to attend earlier in the day

robust agate
#

Erykk wins the property for 140m!
Next up... Water familiar talisman!

nova haven
leaden sonnet
#

Maybe. I doubt it though

unreal lily
#

Any chance on letting more people in? I thought it started at 1pm est

leaden sonnet
#

They are opening every once in a while

crisp vector
#

ALERT. my mind is fresh and clear. please send exp

cobalt bronze
#

oh wow, this have jumped way higher than I thought it would go

crisp vector
#

i'd bid on this if my wizard was a water build, this is really cool

loud echo
#

the enhancives are very good

static wave
#

its a cool snake, which is what turned me off, but its a popular animal so v0v
I am all about water lore though 😦

spark meadow
#

MOAR water

drowsy warren
#

makes it just a bit easier to get that familiar anchoring with water lore lol

robust agate
#

Raythiel wins the Water familiar for 137m!
Next up... a humidor!

static wave
#

i don't even know what to say

spark meadow
#

is that just unlimited cigars? for 100m?

nova haven
#

I have one of these I paid 11m for like a decade ago, but the new cigars from EG and the like are so much better

hushed hazel
#

Yeah, I wish the old ones could be updated to be wearable, at least

robust agate
#

Lunatick wins the humidor for 100m!
Next up... a tiny tag-affixed key!

static wave
#

did we learn what this is?

nova haven
#

semi custom portable property

robust agate
# 
This key entitles the winner to a semi-custom temporary home, which can be activated once per week, allowing the structure to stand for 24 hours.  Further details will be discussed with the winner.```
static wave
#

thanks all, stunned from the last round

nova haven
#

The pause really inflated what a lot of these would have gone for last week I think

hollow elm
hushed hazel
#

Especially at 2 AM haha

hollow elm
#

That's why I wanted to forge ahead, there would have been some good deals at 2am on a Sunday night

robust agate
#

I legit might walk out of this auction with no wins, but we'll see. 😂

Archsenex wins the semi-custom temporary property for 160m!
Next up... a teapot!

cobalt bronze
#

Honestly though there are player-owned weapons that are similar to these or even better for 100-300mil floating around, share the love and buy player owned. Need to boost the secondary market.

static wave
#

thats the boat I am in, but maybe next auction. There are also things that are like so close to being perfect for Ordim but off just enough that I would feel bad putting my whole effort behind them and either winning and not appreciating it enough as someone else, or just driving the price up needlessly on a whim

spark meadow
#

is there a store that sells coffee beans/tea leaves?

strong apex
#

Starbucks?

static wave
#

several tea stores, I think coffee beans are a bit rarer outside events?
Most cafes will have it up front or in backroom for tea leaves

maiden kite
#

coffee is somewhat hard to find outside of an event

spark meadow
verbal flare
#

a credit card?

robust agate
#

Topps wins the teapot for 63m!
Next up... the Earth familiar talisman!

plain delta
#

Casu's Cafe in Vaalor sells coffee/tea

static wave
#

fire version probably go for a lot

robust agate
#

Nidal wins the Earth familiar for 100m!
Next up...the +5 AS monster flesh!

crisp vector
#

I'm really happy with that, my wizard is an earth guy and it's perfect for him. didn't expect to get an alt anything

cobalt bronze
#

Earthd +5 DS went for 60mil, be interesting to see what 5 AS goes for

robust agate
#

To be fair, he didn't realize it was the DS one and thought it was a pick-your-benefit thing.

nova haven
#

Ahh

robust agate
#

Roblar wins the 5 AS monster flesh for 200m in one of the most perfect wins yet!
Next up... the temporal warblade!

Mirth wins it for 250m!
Next up... an herblore tome!

Perigourd wins it for 130m!
Next up... an ice gown!

static wave
#

knife fight!

spark meadow
#

'nother shot of exp?

robust agate
#

Melivn wins the the ice gown for 225m!
Next up... 20x/day 518 wand.

round sleet
#

Prettiest rolton in Elanthia

robust agate
#

Faerinn wins the wand for 40m!
Next up... 66% weight reduction ClimateWear!

devout pawn
#

that just sold in plat a few minutes ago for 78m and change.

nova haven
#

66% is a lot of dolla

long maple
#

did the gosaena cloak have wr?

spark meadow
#

no

silver inlet
#

No

robust agate
#

If I ever get called a whale again, this is the auction I'm pointing to as refutation. This one and no other. 🤣 People are regularly paying 5-20 times more than I would for this stuff, heh.

radiant ginkgo
#

These prices are low compared to DR equivalents thiugh

round sleet
#

An unfortunate benchmark, if we're being honest

robust agate
#

(Yeah, the above just goes even more to my point since I'd even less pay the bloodscrip equivalent. 😛 )

Mither wins the WR ClimateWear for 225m!
Next up... an odd-looking plant!

nova haven
#

Lots more people have tons of BS than tons of silver

radiant ginkgo
#

Aren't +5 spell circles like 500k bs or something?

loud echo
#

200, or 150 attuned

spark meadow
drowsy warren
#

seems I disconnected

round sleet
#

If you assume DR prices are good, then yes - these are great deals. I'm not sure that's universally agreed upon though 😬

radiant ginkgo
#

There's only 50b silver in the game. Probably half belongs to 3 people, heh.

gray tapir
#

Do we know what time the warehouse will be opened next?

spark meadow
#

any idea how many items are left?

nova haven
#

It was opened at 1:30 I think? So probably 2:30 if it's not sold out by then

distant karma
#

I'd love to know how much silver is present at the auction in platinum

loud echo
robust agate
#

Kayse wins the plant for 95m!
Next up... auction quality OSA wand!

(There are about 20 items left.)

gray tapir
#

Aww man. Disconnect punted me out 😦

nova haven
#

I thought disconns weren't supposed to force exits

#

That sucks 😦

spark meadow
#

those wands get you ships to fight?

carmine vigil
#

I enjoy my new addition to my weird Xday item collection

gray tapir
#

I thought the same... which is why I thought I'd be safe to change networks. Alas...

nova haven
#

Can we get a Raelee summon up in here?

robust agate
#

Carcalda wins the wand for 74m!
Next up... an herblore tome!

gray tapir
#

Thank you for opening it again! I am back in

devout pawn
#

it's not supposed to, we tested it in Plat and everyone who logged out logged back in in the warehouse.

radiant ginkgo
#

Has anything broached 1b? Most of these items are surprisingly low amounts, haven't seen any big hitters

strong apex
#

Highest was the T5 tome for 650mil, I believe

drowsy warren
#

probably in the RoL auction for billion+ items - doubt they want to limit the market on those

robust agate
#

Lunok wins the tome for 76m!
Next up... lesser Amulet of the Arkati!

devout pawn
#

...Tintinbell is up in plat...

Tahlaer says, "Put this on Vyrshkana so she can't sneak up on people."

nova haven
leaden sonnet
#

That was the other item I wanted. Be interested to see what it guess for

nova haven
#

And the people that can bid a billion+ can probably do it 7 or 8 times

radiant ginkgo
#

There's nothing worth 1 billion though to test it out

drowsy warren
#

but do you think they also have 7-8 accounts at the auction? maybe I dunno

nova haven
#

I fully believe there's at least 1 or 2 people here with 7-8 accounts with at least 250m on each of them

molten belfry
#

I was just thinking you could add a number to this... Also here: A large crowd (455).

robust agate
#

Kryllix takes the amulet for 318m!
Next up... an ice gown!

leaden sonnet
#

Double drama included for free.

verbal flare
#

what I learned from this auction is it's all about gowns and private properties

robust agate
#

If I were GS staff, I'd never offer a fire gown or ice gown at a raffle again. 🤣 Clearly this is where the real money is.

carmine vigil
#

If I were GS staff I would stuff them both in a t-shirt cannon and fire upon a crowd. Then I would no longer be staff.

verbal flare
#

like I would never have guessed that a one of a kind +5 AS would go for 200m and some fluff gown is at 510m already

nova haven
#

Barbies b crazy

carmine vigil
#

Two of a kind

robust agate
#

Katara wins the ice gown for 510m!
Next up... ghezyte claidhmore!

carmine vigil
#

Monsterflesh went for 60m last week.

verbal flare
#

it was a +DS one

tiny yarrow
#

the DeSoLaToR

carmine vigil
#

Ok you got me there. Is AS really that’s more valuable?

keen sedge
#

than DS, definitely

round sleet
carmine vigil
#

Also by its script properties I think more monster flesh is going to be out. A lot of this things are available or will be available OTS at pay events.

verbal flare
robust agate
#

Yorvo wins the claidhmore for 250m!
Next up... +5 Paladin Base ranks!

latent jay
#

solid price for the claidh really

crisp vector
#

Whoever made my rat familiar, I love him. This item is awesome. I couldn't be more stoked with what I ended up deciding to buy.

rigid current
loud echo
#

those familiar talismans are all really cool

latent jay
#

me talking to my custom familiar when i was helping nidal understand how familiar talismans work:
"This is your cousin" <point rat>

rigid current
#

There's one ambient in particular for the sand rat that gives me a chuckle.

hushed hazel
#

ahhh I wish there was an upgrade for your current familiar

crisp vector
#

i had never landed on one i was attached to with my wizard, another reason the rat was perfect

nova haven
#

Semi-custom DR talismans would be interesting, pick a creature type, get it altered, have some basic ambients and stuff

north palm
#

The ambients on that are 🔥 Gyres

robust agate
#

Fulmen wins the Paladin Base enhancive for 75m!
Next up... a reptilian glamour pin thingy!

Myharl wins it for 130m, having gone from ice gown contender to lizardman!
Next up... a weather charm!

verbal flare
#

what even is this charm

robust agate
#

It changes the weather in one room for a little while.

sand mist
#

why?

loud echo
#

for funzies?

radiant ginkgo
#

People like crazy things

nova haven
#

You can also set the weather in an area for a bit (I think?)

#

make all of WL blood rain if you want, call up a thunderstorm to RP putting out fires

radiant ginkgo
#

I would make it a heat wave in HW

distant karma
#

955,140,000 silvers total
Platinum's auction finished

sand mist
#

that sounds like a lot for plat

robust agate
#

Vishra wins the weather charm for 100m! I... am perfectly content with mine that only does rain and snow and cost a third of the price.
Next up... the white ora scarab! This is a big one, +10 health/mana/stamina recovery with infinite charges.

loud echo
#

we almost done here too

royal cedar
distant karma
#

No

nova haven
forest knoll
#

Gyres, these new custom familiars are amazing!

robust agate
#

Azanoth wins the scarab for 450m!
Next up... an herblore tome!

wise bolt
#

Yessss!

radiant ginkgo
#

What's so special about custom familiars?

crisp vector
#

Upon discovery of a stray bit of edible flotsam, the sand rat grips it tight in his tiny paws and methodically nibbles it down. hes perfect 🐀

loud echo
#

they have custom stuff

plain delta
#

They like very rarely every happen?

forest knoll
#

I like having neat stuff?

radiant ginkgo
#

Different ambients? How are they different

robust agate
#

I think we're under a double digit number of items left now, barring any duplicates that might have gotten added after the snafus last week.

forest knoll
rigid current
#

Aside from the enhancives on the talismans, they're just interesting flavor. They've got six unique ambients and a custom look.

crisp vector
#

When the snake went I thought to myself, I'd bid on an Earth one, and welp

loud echo
#

one more gown, dramatic drapery cloak, chain mana armor... and I think one more thing I'm forgetting is whats left

green saffron
robust agate
#

Merelle wins the herblore tome for 110m!
Next up... mana-infused hauberk aug chain!

verbal flare
#

haubergeon != hauberk

robust agate
#

Xelleon wins the aug chain for 140m!
Next up... a harness!

round sleet
#

Jet pack harness

loud echo
#

oh I thought this already sold last week welp there goes my counts hah

stoic plaza
#

(FYI, the scarabs can be inspected now)

mental light
#

Im poor now, if you see me, give me food lol

hushed hazel
#

the scarabs are adorable

nova haven
#

WEAR/REMOVE - Stylized to work with cloud armors, ShadowDeath armor, and Mist armor. Is this a thing on all pirate harnesses?

robust agate
#

Gossan wins the hover harness for 150m!
Next up... an ice gown!

silver imp
nova haven
crisp vector
#

As the sand rat gives a sudden, body-shaking sneeze, a cloud of bright bronze dust billows from his sandy fur.

drowsy warren
#

never have I ever considered the sound of a rat sneeze

robust agate
#

Ganalon wins the ice gown for 295m! Apparently differences in description mean all the world even though they can be altered!
Next up... an herblore tome!

sand mist
#

where's the sea of fire?

abstract forum
#

If altering them is anything like altering a Girl on Fire gown ... worth the difference.

verbal flare
#

SOS

robust agate
#

The Sea of Fire is the Sanctum area. Which had foraging bounties for like... a week after release and then never again. 😢

forest knoll
sand mist
#

not all of solhaven?

robust agate
north palm
#

This has gone nice and smooth. Nice job to staff

robust agate
#

Orlicks wins the herblore tome for 79m and some change!
Next up... the Dramatic Drapery cloak! Only two items left!

#

Kitton wins the Dramatic Drapery for 220m!
Next up and last up... the OSA hat!

nova haven
spark meadow
#

repair a ship once every 2 hours eh?

nova haven
#

they also make you look like a spookyghost

young salmon
#

Congrats to the staff for running a very smooth auction. The new auction system, now that the kinks are worked out, is fantastic

robust agate
#

Maeveline wins the final item, the OSA hat, for 100m!
Next up is see you in four weeks or so!

nova haven
#

We have a whole four weeks!?

young salmon
#

And thanks for working the weekend for us

spark meadow
#

shoot some tshirts into the crowd!

loud echo
#

staff being able to run simultaneous auctions in plat and prime is really cool, glad to see things progress and improve. And thanks to everyone who made really neat and cool items!

robust agate
#

One last RPA for the road? 🥺

forest knoll
#

This auction went much smoother than the last time, thank you!!

amber delta
#

seemed smooth from this side!

celest thistle
#

It was definitely smoother on our side. 😛

static wave
#

An old memory bubbles up, and you wonder what happened to that jack-o'-lantern of yours from last year.

nova haven
#

the audacity

drowsy warren
#

An old memory bubbles up from your past, and causes you to reflect a moment. With a flash of insight, you realize that it was just gas. The sudden feeling of warmth is a pleasant one.

robust agate
#

An old memory bubbles up from your past, and causes you to reflect a moment. With a flash of insight, you realize that it was just gas. The sudden feeling of warmth is a pleasant one.
GOLD

hollow elm
#

:jeer:

hollow elm
sage tundra
#

time for a good old landing goodbye (set the room on fire)

robust agate
#

Well, that was fun. Time to get some breakfast, then campaign appeal to reason for the RoL event boxes to be cheaper since clearly there's far less silver in the world now!

nova haven
#

LOL

carmine vigil
#

Unleash unspeakable evil?

loud echo
#

surprise?

A powerful warhorn thrums from nearby, followed by the unmistakably handsome voice of a giantman calling out, "Blacksmith Grawlix will be drinking from his famous keg and hosting Dragon Bones in the Wedding Glade!"  The voice begins to fade as you hear mention of a dusty brown tent.```
come spend your leftover silvers
carmine vigil
#

But not selling kegs huh?

spark meadow
#

cant play dragonbones with an empty mind

round sleet
# 
GIFTBOX isn't active right now.```
😢
young salmon
#

Question about the weather charm. Push/Point is supposed to create weather right?

#

Additionally, you can PUSH and POINT twice per day to create rain, snow, or blood rain. It's not doing anything. Also is this supposed to be realm wide? (Rub is obviously in the room only)

brazen pawn
#

Did I miss the gift box. Or just not released yet?

nova wagon
young salmon
#

Oh I think my weather charm is broken

#

ha very broken

forest knoll
#

I'm not aware of weather charms having a realm ability, only room.

royal cedar
#

dark plum-hued leather tome with gilded edging
get my tome appears broken 🙂

odd seal
#

Yeah they're still fixing the herb tomes.

young salmon
#

for some reason I thought the 2016 ones were realm-wide ooops. But mine isn't creating weather even in the room

cobalt bronze
#

If 15B coins got removed, and say that is 15-25% of all current coins... does that mean Monday silver prices up 25%? (supply and demand!)

forest knoll
#

Push/Pull is messaging, not a cycled storm.

young salmon
#

Verbs: WAVE, TAP, TOSS, and KISS. Once per day you may RUB your crystal globe charm to create a rain or snowstorm in the room. You can TURN it to cycle through the available types of storms.

Additionally, you can PUSH and POINT twice per day to create rain, snow, or blood rain.

#

I thought that meant 1x/day was just in the room and the other 2x/day were realm-wide

#

@silver imp I submitted a BUG, but I think the analyze on this was maybe wrong

half musk
#

that'll show me to make an analyze for something that doesn't have one! 😂

young salmon
#

ha

forest knoll
#

Thank you Tivvy, I was trying to type out but caught in the timer -- I think the analyze is wrong, because the two verbs predate the analyze for this item. It also was only ever room wide, never realm wide. By all means tho, feel free to make them all realm wide ;D
point:

Naamit points her charm at you and its surface begins to swirl with grey, violet, and crimson. Suddenly, a bolt of lightning shoots out of the charm directly at you, disappearing just before it reaches you.
push:
Naamit pushes her charm out in front of her. Violet bolts of energy fly from its surface in her direction, spiraling around her before fading away.

half musk
#

I just copied the info from the information GMs can see so that's possible.

#

I don't anticipate the functionality being changed but I'll see about updating the analyze to be clearer.

minor comet
#

Push and point just zap people. 🤨

sharp latch
#

Shouldn't there be movement messaging with the herblore tomes when held and open or is that only limited to the specific terrain the tome relates to?

gray tapir
sharp latch
#

Ah, thank you. That's a shame.

gray tapir
#

When Vanah made the update it was the first thing I tested. Heh.

sharp latch
#

If I'd known that, I probably wouldn't have gone all out for it 😕

#

I wonder if that could be revisited

sand mist
#

i would be up for that!

drowsy warren
#

I think the fluff should work in all realms 🙂

sharp latch
#

@neat nexus Please could the realm limitations on the herblore tome movement messaging be revisited and opened up to work everywhere since it's purely RP?

neat nexus
#

I can double check that part specifically but it was intended that all features work in the realm only

sharp latch
#

Thank you for the consideration. I completely understand that everything else should be realm specific

#

I wrongly assumed that movement was part of the fluff aspects of the tome

mental light
#

I dunno who made this but it's beautiful:
You lightly graze your fingertips along the fabric of your nacre velvet gown, creating complex patterns of crystalline snowflakes that overlap as they evaporate into a mist of brilliant silver and gold.

polar veldt
#

Alright. Time to pause this and see how they are adding 15 a day rubs to the brooches in RoL!

sand mist
#

Am i doing this right with the sea of fire herblore tome? It doesn't seem to be working in any rooms I try it in ```[Sea of Fire, Kanchoco Oasis - 25144] (u4216102)
Sand gives way to richer earth near the shining verges of the water, which begins not far from the base of a long ramp of hard-packed sand. The shoreline is dappled in blinding light and stark shadow, the former from the persistant pounding of the sun, and the latter, a blessing from leaning date palms that have sprung forth from the fertile soil. The trees are stunted little things, whipped at all times by the sere desert wind, but their shadows are cool and deep and welcoming.
Obvious paths: northeast

look at my tome
The sand-worn tome is open to the Table of Contents.
read my tome
You cannot do that right now.```

hushed hazel
#

what can be foraged in the Sanctum, anyway? not even seeing anything with FORAGE SENSE, except for a few things in the desert proper

the oasis has some mushrooms and other cave stuff

steel sun
#

There's about 5 things--oh in the desert, yes.

sand mist
#

didn't even work in the desert

gray tapir
#

I think the table of contents is broken on the tomes. I meant to bug it but forgot.

royal fjord
#

@silver imp Any chance the jump jet could be passive. Signed, rocket man

neat nexus
#

I can't look at it again right now

sand mist
grim nest
#

So much I want teased for the next one.

plucky fog
long maple
#

any gms able to fix hoy outside dragon bones?

half musk
#

ASSIST or REPORT in game please.

fringe dome
#

Thanks to all the GMs for the auction(s).

hollow elm
steel sun
#

Are there any reasons with the odd looking plant a foraged item wouldn't work? Tried a red winterberry and it gave me the RT of attempting to graph, but wouldn't take it. Anything else that hasn't been forgable I have gotten different messaging on:
As you bring the red winterberry near the twisted stalk of your odd-looking plant, in an attempt to coax the red winterberry onto the plant, nothing seems to happen.

half musk
#

That was an unsuccessful attempt.

nova haven
#

Can you threaten the plant into being more successful, perhaps with fire?

half musk
nova haven
#

Surreptitiously placing it on the ground when Maylans chinchilla is running amok?

grim nest
#

You're a bad bad man.

green bear
#

Imagine the chinchilla getting into the still….chinchAlea

nova haven
#

A sand elemental flayed my hand once, I put it in a locker for 27 years to think about it's actions

green bear
#

I have one in a locker too

#

I should find sapphires and pull it out

stuck walrus
nova haven
#

They are neat when they're fully trained! Big emphasis on when
(Sand elementals that is, not Chinchillas, chinchillas are pretty neat 24/7)

static wave
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i like that trick they do, i think its called "being a coat"

steel sun
ornate falcon
hushed hazel
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Yeah, the yabathilium fruit from the desert is nice

dense fable
hollow elm
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Anyone able to help me find that map of Nereid's Cradle? I'm going to add it to the mapdb.

distant karma
hollow elm
grim nest
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hey @hollow elm can you map my KF? 🙏

hollow elm
grim nest
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deal.

devout pawn
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...I'm hiding from Tivvy and...a couple of other GMs.

gaunt ice
devout pawn
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I'm sorry!

wise bolt
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I know its a ton of work for everyone involved in the auction backend, making sure everything goes right, and I wanted to thank each and every one of you for knocking this one out of the park. ❤️

leaden sonnet
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Super cool event. Trouble with the auctioneer sucked but it was awesome to see it get fixed.

carmine vigil
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That was smooth as butter this time around

odd seal
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Yeah, I'm optimistic for the one in a few weeks!

distant karma
junior cedar
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Looks like y'all had a good time.

drowsy warren
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I'd like an economic update from Wyrom! Although I suppose he might want to wait until after RoL.

timid aurora
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What's the date for the next auction?

distant karma
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I'm always curious about silver totals. Would be interested to hear how much was left in the various instances

shadow mist
timid aurora
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4/22 pls kthx! 😄

royal cedar
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Will he raise interest rates!? Stay tuned!

devout pawn
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...can the nail presses please be made to work like face painting and monk tattoos? Where the recipient gets a message "So and so is trying to do whatever, accept in the next 30 seconds"?
because otherwise I see it becoming extremely an expensive locker resident.

placid otter
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There's no confirmation of acceptance? I kinda figured that was a given at this point.

devout pawn
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you have to be holding it.

point my press at [name]
If [name] would like her nails painted, she will need to use the press on her own.

lethal harbor
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Yes, this was changed recently. For the last week it had worked by just pointing it at someone else. I’d also like this option to remain, even if you need to accept or wait a few seconds to continue, please.

mental light
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Yes, please allow it to work on others! My spa would thank you!

devout pawn
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(Different item, same issue: I would also love it if hair-braiding tools were updated to allow point/accept usage.)

nova wagon
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So, the option to use it on other people WILL work in the future; it was not supposed to be working, but I missed part of disabling it. I'm just waiting on some other stuff to be done, then I'll activate it. 🙂

devout pawn
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👍
Please make an announcement as to when that functionality goes live?

lethal harbor
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Hurrah, thank you Casil! It's a ballertastic item, very much more fun to play with even than anticipated.

mental light
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Thank you!

radiant ginkgo
nimble bolt
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it was rigged.... some clown came and swipped my pie box 🤣

silver cape
twilit fog
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And from the Barbies, there was much rejoicing!

sharp latch
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I welcome this new direction in development

placid otter
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I mean, Estild is already the Master of the Shimmer, what would you expect?

vivid spade
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One noticeable difference was that it 'seemed' (I haven't checked the numbers) like the final sale price for most everything on this Day 2 of the auction was north of 100m. I think the cone of elements wand and the teapot were the only items that sold for less than 75m?

Not sure why that trend occurred, but it was a stark difference to Day 1.

silver cape
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its always best to try and get in early on an auction, prices always go up as they wind down

vivid spade
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I expected that. It was just the idea that the 100m is enough was sort of completely untrue on day 2.

round sleet
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As you approach the end, people who have been saving for something but missed might start to get the "well I might as well win something" mindset

placid otter
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people become more willing to go high "to get something at all" and also there's less reason to hold out to save your one slot once you reach a certain point. I'm sure being able to move money did impact but it was a combination

silver cape
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this is completely subjective but I think the second half of the auction had better items too.

vivid spade
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Some of the items I valued at no more than 5-20m went for 100+. I still don't see the value others did.

placid otter
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well, some of it is just "I have silver, and it's worthless if I don't spend it"

vivid spade
# placid otter well, some of it is just "I have silver, and it's worthless if I don't spend it"

Fair point. I don't want to call anyone out on any particular item, but some of those I was like ....you could just run a script for a free.

All that said. To me, the exciting items aren't the one off scripts that will never see the light of day again. I was most intrigued by stuff that is getting an auction preview ahead of general sales at the next DR. Those tomes look amazing. Seeing them in action definitely is making me want one

silver cape
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By tomes you mean the herb tomes or the fancy eat a scroll tome? because the later is T5 which they said wont be for sale.

round sleet
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The T5 is just the major sanct feature. They did indicate that up to T4 would be available off the shelf, albeit pricey

vivid spade
placid otter
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yeah, the tomes, up to T4, will be OTS but 'spensive

vivid spade
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I can live with a combat pet being expensive. I also adore the idea of feeding it scrolls instead of pawning things

minor comet
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I do appreciate that the "we will pay just as much, if not more, for fluff" crowd was proven correct.

round sleet
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I do think part of that relates to the fact that the mechanical gear in this auction had a LOT of caveats

placid otter
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for me, my valuation is probably off-kilter because I have most things I "want" already, and don't have a typical playstyle, so I mostly bought my thing because I thought it would end up being cool/fun and the price was mostly "is this comically overpriced? if no, then I'll buy it" I'm not completely crazy like some people... I seriously have a capped character using a 2x weapon right now because I'm too lazy to enchant it up

vivid spade
north palm
silver cape
# vivid spade The weather charm I don't get, honestly. I guess thats a 'i can blood mage now' ...

the thaumaturge ones are and listed as being "Expensive" whatever that means but no t5, it is just the private sanct part but that comes with a personal mailbox and two more of the fluff verbs from the tome unlocked for what thats worth.

The OSA hat was a proxy buy for me, its 100% covered by a script I completely agree. It's more of a this is neat and RP thing and very much falls into the I have silvers that are useless to me otherwise, I stopped running DR and thusly stopped dumping all my silvers into books during these events. Which means I am sitting on an ungodly amount of silvers, between my normal hunting which I started to focus on silver gaining with the auction announced and flipping services on 7 alts, I was in the what am I going to do with these billions of silvers. TLDR I agree the hat was a dumb over priced buy but I have nothing better to waste my silvers on in gemstone which is the real problem.

safe stone
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I really enjoyed the wide array of prices. Also that nothing was lost to not hitting the reserve.

loud echo
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prices on things always goes up towards the end of these types of auctions, remember all of this also was supposed to be one whole auction, so you really have to take last week and yesterdays as two parts of the same whole

vivid spade
# north palm very much this. I would also add a sense of fatigue is a relevant sentiment fro...

I was talking to someone last night about this. The best compliment I can say is that most of the ots scripts for weapons and such in DR these days are more interesting and fun than any of the auction equivalents in almost all cases. If only one ever Animal weapon had been built and put up for auction, i'd be a legendary one off. The fact that its available to all, alongside fun and effective ones like Valence and others means that truly legendary primary gear is not gated to auctions

carmine vigil
minor comet
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The bungalow prices are kind of the best indicator of how auction pricing works.

silver cape
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all of the items I was interested in just happened to be in the second half of the auction too.

north palm
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That's relevant, but I was more referring to the great effort that's involved in starting a new project, the strong negative sense that comes from abandoning an existing project, the near non-existence of a secondary or resale market, and the near impossibility of project transfer.
These are solvable problems, but nothing I've seen leads me to believe this is a current team interest.

vivid spade
silver cape
vivid spade
north palm
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I continue that champion the idea that these auctions are great, but it's not really a sustainable model. I hope that a large effort is being placed into sustainable, desired, and well conceived in game silver sinks.

loud echo
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I think they have those, with the event boxes, the problem really has been that doesn't deal with the 50b stockpile on 10ish total people
went 10 folks basically have more silver than the rest of the game population combined, you are VERY limited in options

vivid spade
north palm
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Event boxes aren't quite what I'm referring to. They are effective in draining silvers from the overall pool, but they don't have the same mass appeal and are tied to events themselves.
I'm talking about permanent fixtures. Multiple ideas have been expressed elsewhere that I don't recall getting much, if any, feedback on

loud echo
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but that's basically exactly opposite from what Wyrom told us about event boxes, that they have been incredibly successful at draining 90% of the population's silver. That is pretty much mass appeal.

But yeah, that doesn't solve the other 10%, which is why they did things like auctions, to try and make a dent in those stored up silvers. I know a lot of things have been talked about, but besides something like what was talked about with rerolling the ascension zone trinket stats w/silvers (whenever those are implemented), not too much do I think is really targeted to that 10% either.

sharp fiber
north palm
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I think I'm not making my point here.
To drain the maximum amount of silvers in the population, event boxes seem to be somewhat effective, although waning in popularity. Since this is a direct revenue hit, I'm not sure this is a sustainable model either. More to the point, I don't know many event box sellers that are happy to pass along their boxes to buyers, particularly as the included RPA orbs have dwindled and the event box price event considered a value from resellers. They are also limited by the events themselves and account based- so if you can generate more in a period than the boxes come around, you are still left with the feeling of nothing to spend your money on.
The types of things I'm referring to would be ideas that most, if not all, players would find continued and perpetual value in. Not every idea would hit every player, but enough ideas have been expressed to cover a wide range of playestyles

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I don't want to rehash every idea here- Wyrom asked for some a few months ago and lots of ideas were posted- With all the effort that went into these one time drains, my ask is that a similar future effort be made for sustainable silver sinks outside an auction that occurs twice a decade.

vivid spade
round sleet
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From a personal standpoint, the likes of OTS DR gear are both a blessing and a curse. I absolutely love that DR has brought accessibility and normalization to "fancy" gear (in terms of mechanical scripts for this context). I've enjoyed the process of building up and customizing my animal spirit gear over the last several years and it's very fulfilling to my GS goals. But it also means that my scope of what might drive me to purchase mechanical gear at an auction is much narrower. For the most part, it'd have to be a completely unique style of weapon (example: elemental gauntlet, spirit glove bow, chainspear-esque) AND be thematically on point (e.g. MonstrFlesh is a super neat idea, but not something I ever envision my characters utilizing. Similar for the spider bracer). To be clear, this isn't a complaint in any shape or form, I don't mean to imply any dissatisfaction with the offerings - some very fun things went out the door. It just didn't happen to align 100% for me this time around, which again is absolutely okay. All of my bids were of the "well, I would use that at this price point, but I don't need it"

north palm
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I also think that previous decisions have secondary impacts. No ensorcell and sanct certs at HESS, for example, make me value a -2200 difficulty item way less and I put mechanical things in relative comparison to DR type offerings. Unless it's on an unallowed base, most things get compared to a somnis/low steel/xaz thing. Which is fine, but then they get moved, in my mind, from main type item to fun fluff, which also impacts value

#

And to my point above, there is a diminishing number of players who are paying for those fun fluff type things.

carmine vigil
# vivid spade I would really love to see the auctions be a way to introduce and preview upcomi...

In think that was a lot of this. Many of the times are things you can or will be able to get OTS. Some of these are previews. I know we’re going to see wandaliers, thaumaturgy tomes, punch bowls, and nail presses ots. I bet instant teapots and humidors will be too. I suspect Middle Class housing will look like stall sales at some point, maybe. Ice dresses and monstrflesh probably just the auction/raffle level.

leaden sonnet
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If you aren't in possession of a super easy to sell player service, the "secret" to having silver is the same as weight loss. Stop checking the scale bank account every day. It's an "every day adds a little" thing, which adds up over a year or more.

There is no silver bullet. I think that people are looking at some of these prices with a very pessimistic assessment of their own ability to generate a basic income. You might not hit the ludicrous levels some people do, but you can easily get over the initial hump.

drowsy warren
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Wyrom was also pretty clear - maybe on multiple occasions - that other new silver sink projects were in the works.

static wave
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The tickets to the NPE island and Phyon are going to be super expensive

nova haven
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Want to drain silvers, give us a one time only magic box that we can feed silvers into for ATP's

minor comet
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My gut feeling is that the 1-per limit definitely added some weight to the "most people have less than 100 million" comment. Between all the changes we've seen in the last few years to income and item availability, there's definitely been a pretty significant impact.
At an unlimited auction not that long ago, I would not have been surprised to see all those mana armors snapped up at twice the price as just-in-case project pieces. The t5 surita sigil in 2020 went for more than twice as much as Goat's did last week.

vivid spade
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An idea I had....with Wyrom offering Event Boxes outside of events now....Id be interested in a 1/mo event box that maybe includes a base model of what would otherwise be an OTS level purchase of an event item. Maybe even those items that are now retired from events.

Imagine an event box that lets you spend ...dunno. 10m. You get orbs, some simustore stuff and a morphing cloak, or a discrete script cloak. Or whatever. I dunno exactly what you would put in there, but I'm sure others could come up with ideas.

nova haven
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A monthly fluff box could be interesting

vivid spade
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Yeah. I was even thinking like a subscription box model. You pay X million and you get 3 months of stuff. Ever box has a ticket that lets you pull from a prize pile that's got 100 items with X scripts on them.

distant karma
minor comet
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Event boxes would be a good way to reintroduce trove tokens.

distant karma
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I think a monthly violet experience orb for silvers would be a good drain. Offer the 4 levels for different silver amounts.
Green 100k
Blue 500k
Indigo 1 mil
Violet 10 mil

nova haven
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Put trove in WL, add 52 items, event boxes give out tokens, 1/x pull a week type of thing?

vivid spade
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Yeah, maybe not even trove? Like the 25k shell pull pile level of stuff?

carmine vigil
nova haven
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Alternatively a GM could devlop a Gold Saucer from FFXIV with lots of silver or alternate currency gambling (Including USD derived tokens if so inclined) for prize tickets with lots of different fluff to choose from. Could have an entrance in every town and stash the Invoker there. Maybe those Sea of Fire nomad Tehir are looking for a tax credit and want to build a Casino?

loud echo
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I mean all we need to do to drain silvers is apparently have a one time only unlimited buy 2000k sanct potion buy for 500m each

minor comet
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For the GUB regret.

loud echo
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Shoot let's cut out the middle man, just add holy fire flares to an existing t5 sanct 500m each. 1 day only get it while it's hot

stoic plaza
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who WOULDN'T pay 500m for a chocobo?

#

at least a racetrack

static wave
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speaking of which, I whispered into Modrian's ear about making a rolton racetrack with the wind up roltons, pennant racers

devout pawn
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there's been at least one. One of the racing rolton shops had one out back.

iron sun
#

Btw, did emails go out to the private property voucher winners with the Rules & Regulations like previous property owners? Or is that not a thing anymore and new PP owners are meant to just understand that https://gswiki.play.net/Private_property/Property_Rules_%26_Regulations exists for them to know about the rules and regulations that govern their new purchase?

plain delta
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Oh did I miss the conversation that fluff sells?

Cuz it does.

placid otter
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Well yeah. Much of it is far more rare

loud echo
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What I wanna know is wear is my fancy ice/ fire tuxedo/suit

hollow elm
loud echo
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And yeah I know suits are more of a pain as they are technically multiple items, shirt, jacket, pants, but I k own we could totally have something sweet there at some point. I swear it'd prolly sell for as much as a gown.

plain delta
# placid otter Well yeah. Much of it is far more rare

This doesn't always have to be the case and I'll share my favorite example of extremely high level fluff distribution.

Nalea gowns which I believe debuted either at Artisan Faire or the Wavedancer 2004ish had such an incredible model. Nalea would say she was taking customers and then people would flood to her. Once people were chosen they would give her a color and then she'd bring out two gowns. The customer got to pick one and it was still pretty high priced for back then I want to say it was like flat 500k or a million which felt weighty but not out of reach.

The other one though would then be auctioned off to anyone who is present. No matter if they had already gotten a gown or what.

So if you were selected you were guaranteed a gown, but then it was still causing the fluff to be driven up in prices.

royal cedar
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Enhancive rerolling could be a huge drain, depending on how it’s implemented

distant karma
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Or enhancive combining but priced closer to 1 billion per.

devout pawn
plain delta
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I want to say at EG there seemed to be like three GMs who said they were working on more high end masculine clothing.

green bear
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I've got something in the works, if I can find time to come up with messaging before EG. LotusWear does the erithi-themed shirt/jacket combo, and some day, I'll add the pants to that hopefully (but it's a lot of messages to come up with for those scripts)

neat nexus
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Some of the groom clothing for the chapel weddings have interaction messaging. It's just like 6x the work

wise bolt
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crowd source it!

round sleet
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BriarWear has already started, kind of - could be a fun area to expand into cloaks and such. Painful, but fun 😄

loud echo
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Yep, i know. That's why I mentioned why I know there's not a lot out there because it isn't just one item like a dress or a gown.

One idea I had were jackets that had cool fluff, but also did a inventory concealer like dramatic drapary or such, but then showed the rest of the outfit, so it looked like you were in the full cool suit and all. That way the verbs fluff could be concentrated on the single script and item.

The concealer could be a toggle in case you had things to mix match.

devout pawn
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...this sounds like a job for premium contest entries.

wise bolt
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Adventure wear!

vivid spade
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I struggle with clothing scripts myself. Often the verb traps are nice, but its a hard juice/squeeze calculation with dealing with removing a bunch of enhancives, shimmer trinket adjustments and so on. Its like a 20-30 min process for me

wise bolt
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This is why you make use of an F2P mannequin!

maiden kite
#

I was in this boat until Elysia was like "just have an alt on another account wear the clothes, set your shimmer trinket and hand it back." I was like "WHAT!?"

leaden sonnet
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That was a game changer for me. To make it easy, level that guy a bit and he can recharge the trinket too

distant karma
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Thats a great idea, lol.
I need to dump all my outfits on a dummy char now.

royal cedar
maiden kite
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Tivvy's going to change all this with her mannequin implementation, aren't you Tivvy! dreaming this into reality

sage tundra
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I assume this alt would be named Skipper

wise bolt
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This is how I ended up with two baby monks.

leaden sonnet
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BradyBunch.gif

hollow elm
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1212 + tattoo = amazing

nova haven
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To be fair there's no reason we couldn't just make a suit item that isn't 6 items and just references them, like Avalukas animal armor, which is one piece but references individual components in the script, just hurl 40 verbs at it like Naelea.

Pull suit > You reach down and unfasten each of your sigil-crested gold cufflinks, quickly rolling up the sleeves of your gold threaded cream flyrsilk shirt.

vivid spade
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I screwed up and attuned my shimmer trinket

leaden sonnet
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This doesn't cover layered clothing but...

foreach in worn; remove item; do thing with item;

vivid spade
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I tried the armoire thing....that item just isn't up to modern standards.misses way too much

hollow elm
dusk moat
nova haven
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Analyze suit:

Your suit is made up of the following components, each of which can be altered by a willing merchant.

Suit: A fitted flyrsilk suit accented with gold.

Jacket - A gold threaded ebon flyrsilk jacket.

Shirt - A slim sable sea silk shirt

Handkerchief: A fan folded scarlet linen handkerchief
Belt: a brown leather belt boasting a large gold buckle
Pants: some sable sea silk trousers boasting gold threading
Boots: some brown boots buckled with gold

Etc

maiden kite
#

well now Lydil has given me nightmare material

dusk moat
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Well my work here is done.

vivid spade
hollow elm
wise bolt
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hair bauble would be my first choice.

devout pawn
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the scripty hand things from EG!

robust agate
# loud echo but that's basically exactly opposite from what Wyrom told us about event boxes,...

It's an interesting thing. I threw 650 million silvers or more at last year's RoL buying other people's event boxes. On the other hand, I've never bought a Duskruin event box or Rumor Woods event box because players offer them for less... and while I don't yet have an 11x/day brooch, one day I will (probably not this year) and then I won't need RoL entries either. That leaves only Ebon Gate, where I buy some event boxes, but not many.

Honestly, I'm not sure what could be done to get me to spend silver directly, so I've been content to just trade for Duskruin entries and the like, funneling silvers to other players who do know what they want to spend silvers on. (Or are just hoarding for auctions like these!)

maiden kite
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Clearly we need breakage, with an NPC-only expensive repair cost. (WHAT??!)

robust agate
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Breakage just creates the UAC-and-magic-only meta!

loud echo
vivid spade
sage tundra
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a bell

robust agate
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I mean, for the bell, I didn't even beat the 140m bid or whatever it was! 😛 (...but I'd totally do 100m for just the bell, no health recovery.)

The serious answer is probably a slew of MKs and SKs, but the trouble is that I probably wouldn't end up parting with loads of silver because others would want them even more.

Edit: to be more specific, any out of: Burst of Swiftness, Combat Mobility, Coup de Grace, Hamstring, Sweep, True Strike, Weapon Specialization, Dauntless, Elemental Targeting, Empathic Focus, Intensity, Patron's Blessing, Phoen's Strength, Strength, Zealot. But, again, pretty sure I'd be royally destroyed on most of these. I'm still amazed I got Surge of Strength at Mania, which was also on my list.

round sleet
silver imp
grim nest
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That bell is my lamentation. Is there a duplicate in the next one? 👀

leaden sonnet
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'High value, low cost linear power increases that also have a unique novelty about them" is almost always a winning answer to that

cobalt bronze
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Silvers now to the mooooon 🌕

silver imp
grim nest
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Of course haha. Respect.

vivid spade
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I get concerned about the gap in wealth. Feels very real after these events. Charms being a thing with supposed silver costs, i worry about being priced out of such systems

crisp vector
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Mana and Stamina versions will go crazy.

round sleet
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I was actually surprised at the MonstrFlesh prices, I expected them to be higher. I assume the attunement factor was more significant

sage tundra
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in an auction setting it's hard to distinguish between "this item was unappealing" and "this item was appealing but my valuation was lower than the valuation of other players"

silver imp
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One ice gown = all my items (so far)

devout pawn
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...there was a lot of stuff in Plat where I was like..."This is very appealing but doesn't fit my RP so other people can have it." But that's just me.

minor comet
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Stamina tintinibar would probably bring in a substantial sum.

silver imp
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@frigid crane definitely won at most silvers drained among all the things she made.

loud echo
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Would need to figure out a different type of item, like instead of a cats bell, a talking parrot that sits on your shoulder in a feature slot and just announces your arrival everywhere you go. Restores mana cause you are converting your sanity into it by listening to it all day

round sleet
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MonstrFlesh v2 - BionicImplants

placid otter
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She made a lot of things though I imagine. Did she also win per item average?

silver cape
crisp vector
vivid spade
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There were four or so items i would have valued no higher than 20m that went for 4x that

Elysani understands a segment of the playerbase very very well

sage tundra
devout pawn
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Perm feature change was 10000% the reason why I had no interest whatsoever, but there are people out there who like that stuff.

robust agate
silver imp
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I joked yesterday. I'm going to make FleshGowns

drowsy warren
silver imp
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Just cobbled together from random monster skins.

round sleet
loud echo
silver imp
vivid spade
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I still think a universal win that would sell like crazy is combat messaging customs/cman customs. Just dont lock it behind auctions.

sage tundra
silver cape
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like thematically cool but forever is a deal breaker, like even among us who are RP lite these days we still have themes and ideas about our chars, just something to consider for the future I'd have perked up if that feature was togglable off and on for sure.

Just make a Top Hat and a Pocket watch watch people toss silvers are you.

devout pawn
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...the meat gowns and chocolate couture gowns that were actualfax RL things. Just sayin'. (Doubled up on the gowns because I KNOW you guys would...)

drowsy warren
round sleet
loud echo
silver cape
static wave
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fleshclothing = appearance change based on using furs/skins/etc would be awesome and something people have been asking for in various ways.
Like the bug costume script

robust agate
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Yeah, there's nothing the monster flesh could even possibly have offered that would have made me go for it. Even something utterly stupid like 100 AS, I'd be like "nah, think it's time I put together a full enhancive set."

loud echo
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I think perhaps showing while the buff is active rather than 100% of the time could of been an interesting compromise

silver imp
# drowsy warren Thanks - that's a lot less than what we were thinking since Estild at State of E...

EVENT BOX (I saw it mentioned earlier) is probably the single best repeatable drain we've done. It does come with a real cost though, and it's not something we can maintain indefinitely as is. But each event hits between 5bil and 8bil in drains since we launched it. I think overall, silver drains were a huge success. I don't know how the secondary market will do after RoL, we'll see, but as far as I'm concerned, we did everything we set out to do.

round sleet
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I mean, if nothing else MonstrFlesh opened up the door for a new category of power improvement, distinct from all existing ones. Whether or not something follows the same path with different flavor we'll have to wait and see, but I still think it's a victory

minor comet
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It's a very similar vibe to the black ora jewelry. If it doesn't fit your character, there's no way to like, kind of fudge it.

drowsy warren
silver cape
robust agate
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Look pretty in an ice gown = 510m.
Get +5 AS with no upkeep costs, but look ugly in monster flesh = 200m.

The message is clear. Create items that increase stats and make you pretty!

static wave
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clothing that gathers and changes appearance based on the amount of defensive or offensives mana you've cast in the past X hours
It then echos offensive or defensive spells randomly. Offensive as additional flares, defensive as automatic recast

wanton tartan
crisp vector
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i will adorn nidal with the most insane looking visuals for a perm +3 CS. there is a market for everything

north palm
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Can you speak to any efforts beyond EVENT BOX for sustained silver drains? The (discord) community has provided a ton of ideas over the last year. Any there any that are feasible and in the works? The only thing I recall was something to do with Enhancives- which I think is a great starting point.

vivid spade
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I have 45m. Im hunting 30 mins a day exclusively for silver in HW. I make about 150k a day.

drowsy warren
robust agate
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Easily 1b+. Easily.

sage tundra
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Whole auction that is just enhancive veolas

silver cape
# robust agate Look pretty in an ice gown = 510m. Get +5 AS with no upkeep costs, but look ugly...

I'm not terribly in love with this idea, but I get what you're saying. But putting something powerful on something like a gown just opens up a ton of people trying to buy it for mechanics. which feels bad if your in it for the fashion.

I wore a very ez scripted corset for a long time because it was like +3 AUR and WI bonus, it felt bad because I didnt care about the wonderful description and ezscripts on it. (its in a much better home now too just fyi there)

silver imp
crisp vector
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+5 CS cloak-worn keg, dwarven use only.

loud echo
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I mean the gowns having combat stats does nothing because they take your armor slot don't they?

I like keeping those things kinda separate tbh

static wave
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if 39b is logged in, there is a good chance 2-3 accounts make up 20-30% of that total count though eh

robust agate
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Wait, the gowns are functional? Heh, I had edited out a thing suggesting to make ice gown cloth armor after realizing people wouldn't want to give up their mana-infused or whatever, but if they're functional then I guess that's a different story.

silver imp
vivid spade
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Its why i go on about cman messaging and the like. Everyone wants things like that at every price point

crisp vector
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I'm predicting a lot of unhappy posting during the ROL auction when four people are buying 75% of the items (which from my perspective is fine - the goal at the ROL auction appears to be maximum silver drain, not maximum item distribution)

drowsy warren
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I mean as far as "but what now" - there's RoL coming up with probably EVENT BOXes and the auction to train 10-20b more maybe?

We may actually be reaching the point where prices for items at the next auction are LESS than expected because not as many people have as much silvers to spend.

robust agate
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So if I'm following all this correctly, the auction has drained an amount of silver within expectations so far, but it whiffed on getting said silver from the intended audience (the top) and instead got most of its silver everywhere else?

placid otter
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frozen wealth nodules aren't harmful to the economy though. if those people will literally never spend, the wealth is dead

sage tundra
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Dreading the answer, but will this rings of lumnis have event boxes at 15 for 50?

silver cape
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I dont feel like the reduction in the overall silvers of the game has done anything, other than make me angry about loot cap. Thats just my personal feelings on it. Like nothing has changed for me. I'm still in that middle upper pack. I cant pin point anything and be like oh this is so much better now.

round sleet
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Just sell more Rift Boots

odd seal
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If the goal is to drain the silvers from the top X% of users, couldn't you ask the top X% of users what they'd spend their silvers on and then auction some subset of that, within reason?

vivid spade
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I would like to know, as the below 100m silver player, what does draining silver do for me? Honest question. My boat still cost 250m silver

north palm
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there are so many things that could be offered for silvers that would have real, sustained drains across all income levels

drowsy warren
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It's hard to believe that people buying items for 200-600m silvers, in an economy containing 39b, are not at or near the top.

Melivn: keep in mind that economics do not adjust instantly - especially when there's less liquidity/volume - there is always a lag time between changes in one part of the economy affecting the entire economy.

loud echo
robust agate
silver imp
north palm
drowsy warren
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Wyrom: I must say I am glad to hear we are nearing the point you're happy with. I knew you were in an unsustainable mode to drain things and I was kind of holding my breath hoping you'd get to the finish line on that goal.

I'm glad you can now take the foot off the brakes a bit and aim for balance, costing Simu less $$ and hopefully being in a happy place lol

I hope you'll still offer some EVENT BOXes but maybe less - whatever it takes to balance but not further drain the economy of silvers.

vivid spade
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Im still hoping to hear an end goal. Once silver totals are down, we can do X. What is the X?

north palm
# silver imp We've taken a lot of ideas from player feedback here. But I also don't think a ...

Can you speak to any projects that are moving forward?
I can't speak to others, but here's some ideas I had previously

Revamp player shops so that all players have access to. Sell expansion and info for silver
Player service increase potions for silver
Sell private workshops
Sell workshop bonuses, increased bonus, for silvers- Also rent based- +30 days
Sell lower/mid term armor/weapon/shield script for silvers. Tier upgrades for silver
Sell reim access for silver. Create new reim like instance for silver with long term rewards
Create rogue like dungeon for silver access
Perm enhancive recharge for silver
Enh combining for silver
Enh gambling (add, remove bonuses) for silver
New hunting area with monthly silver based access- FWI type thing for silver with no racial nonsense```
placid otter
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I would drain so much more if osa had some modest Enhancements like permanent hold, slightly better enemy valuation, and a bounty like system

vivid spade
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Silver goes only one way in osa. Out

loud echo
silver cape
# drowsy warren It's hard to believe that people buying items for 200-600m silvers, in an econom...

I've been waiting, I'll still be waiting, there's no choice but to wait. But I don't think anything will change honestly people who farm out loot cap will have more silvers people who buy silvers for cash will have more silvers people who play more and focus on merchanting will have more silvers, unless you bring the top end(loot cap) WAY down it wont really do much imo. Time will certainly tell though. This assumes no other drains come into play.

vivid spade
sage tundra
vivid spade
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Like do i want cheaper auctions? Or do i want more systems/classes/charms/etc. im not saying they are mutually exclusive, but loot cap angst hasnt been good for the game. And im saying this as someone who has less than 50m silver.

north palm
# loud echo The point is to make the economy healthier as a whole, part of this was the loot...

we've discussed this in the loot cap thread, but 2+ years later, including 4 additional months since that thread, I can see no discernable difference in what players can buy or do with their silver. EVENT BOX creation aside, which didn't exist prior, I don't see anything that shows any impact. On the surface, it appears that we're reducing silver for the sake of reducing silver without any end state listed.

drowsy warren
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Yes all the people who make/buy the most silvers will have the most silvers. I'm not exactly sure what's wrong with this aside from not liking that people can buy silvers for $$...but that ship has long sailed and isn't all that different from buying vouchers to earn BS to buy uber gear.

I'm not sure the wealth gap will ever go away, as rich players will continue to spend $$ to gobble up silvers so they can get what they want...but at least the players selling those silvers to them should be getting a better rate for whatever effort they took to earn those silvers in the first place.

Economics says the game wide benefit is that eventually the silvers market will be in a place where it's much harder to accumulate silvers, driving up the price in $$. Meanwhile, many won't be able to afford current prices on services like 6m/week on sanctification. Sure the rich will be able to, but they can't buy enough devotion to wipe out all the capped clerics, so prices of services will have to drop.

Essentially economics says inflation should turn into deflation - but as Melivn hates to hear, it is still going to take some time. I'm not sure how much of a difference there is - for many - whether there's 99b or 39b out there - but I expect we're reaching a point where that makes a difference...if not now, after RoL/auction #3.

vivid spade
silver cape
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I mean its weird you think I hate to hear it, I want it to be true. like I want all of this to be for something I can point at be like oh this.

gaunt ice
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Honestly though, do you really feel like you've impacted the silver? Those who generate massive amounts of silver still will do so on a monthly basis. Those who don't still won't. I find he auctions whether Wyromania or the silver auctions pretty frustrating. Most items went for far over 100mil a handful went for under but mostly if you didn't show up with a couple hundred million silver plus you weren't likely to get something you truly wanted for your character(s). I've long recognized that if I truly want something I need to seek out the secondary market ask around until I find what I'm looking for an buy it.
The only exception to that is at least with DR I can buy directly from Simu via the 250 count ticket books and sell them in game for Bloodscrip or silver to help me pay for things and the cash goes directly to Simutronics. For an event like the silver auction and with what I saw with bidding, I truly should have went and bought a billion silvers or at least 500 million silvers (I had 70 million silvers personally) so I could snag something I wanted. I personally don't feel like the major silver generators will be impacted at all by this and what we see is the frustrated players who couldn't really purchase anything.
On top of that I feel like mental drain on GMs to create items takes it's toll. I don't understand why more of each type of item wasn't sold, which might bring prices down but in the end would probably generate a similar amount of silver drain because more players could afford to bid and win an item they might want. I think that offering 3 to 5 of each item wouldn't be a bad thing in other words with slight changes between the items. It require a lot less creative burn out by GMs to come up with new and varied items every event. Heck, for the life of me I don't know why more items from the past 30 years don't make an appearance with variations in them to save GM creative burn out.
Anyhow that's just my take, I know without a doubt though if I do want something in the future I'll be continuing to go via the secondary market. (Edit note: gotta love the wall of text medium that is Discord for organized communication lol) (Edit edit: Thanks Nitos for the tip on line breaks)

drowsy warren
odd seal
maiden kite
vivid spade
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Im here. Im happy to always take a ‘wait and see’. But…i dont see anything pointed to as an eventual change in the game, staffside, that will happen once goal x is reached. Wyrom more or less said that continuing to let people farm event currency on event boxes isnt sustainable. Deflation of what though? We have a 4-5 currency economy. Im a professor of econ and even i dont track the actual goals here

gaunt ice
odd seal
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Has inflation been a rampant problem in GS? Is there something that used to cost X silvers 2 years ago, and now costs 5X silvers?

In any economy, there will always be those with more and those with less, but that's not the same thing as inflation. As long as the "haves" can spend their currency without affecting the pricing of things needed by the "have nots" (or "have lesses"), I'm not sure there's a huge problem to solve.

Sanct service is an interesting example, but prices are already falling from where they were 6 months ago, and they'll continue to fall.

forest knoll
drowsy warren
# vivid spade Im here. Im happy to always take a ‘wait and see’. But…i dont see anything point...

you must see the benefits of deflation? Cheaper services for players to buy from each other, so the people making not-so-much silvers can actually afford more stuff. Raffles can be cheaper. Everything that has ticked up in price over the decades of inflation can start to settle back down into a better place. Even the silvers farmers can be happier making more $$ farming silvers.

And it doesn't matter whether people think this will affect certain people or not...what matters is that at the end of the day - or month or whatever - the amount of silvers generated is drained, so that there is no balloon again.

sage tundra
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in terms of inflation/deflation, many game economies run into the problem where the primary soft currency becomes worthless for player to player transactions because there are always infinite sources of it and the sinks are not appealing enough. I assume the goal is to ensure that this doesn't happen to silvers. It's easy to imagine a world where most service transactions are handled in bloodscrip/raikhen or even currencies not tradable in game, and that would make it very difficult for a lot of players to participate meaningfully, not just because silvers would be valueless, but because the barrier to entry will rise.

vivid spade
# drowsy warren you must see the benefits of deflation? Cheaper services for players to buy from...

I dont think your player service problem exists. Most people i know discount services for friends and a little circle of helpme/helpyou player services forms. Raffles cheaper is irrelevant. They could be free and id probably skip. The odds are awful and favor people with many accounts already. I dont see what I get, as the person supposedly benefiting from all the dev that goes into this. Nothing in a pay event is going to come down as a result. And i dont think they’ll release major scripts outside of pay events for silver with very very rare exceptions. So, again, whats the specific things i cant access now that i can then?

silver cape
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Player service is all saturation of the service and skill of the player

shadow mist
royal fjord
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Go go gadget passive jet pack

Upwardward!

vague onyx
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+1 spirit per room walked! grand poohbahs everywhere rejoice!

placid otter
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As somebody probably at the old 90% line, I at least now feel I have a chance. So it's helped the lower upper class I suppose?

crisp vector
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i am sure i am in the upper % with the fact that i hit some form of loot cap monthly but am also well aware that i have no chance bidding against MAX_INTEGER bank account players. it is what it is

silver imp
# north palm Can you speak to any projects that are moving forward? I can't speak to others,...

A lot of these we've talked about though.

If we did something like permanent WPS, the windows would have to go away. I was never onboard with the windows. I think it completely defeats the purpose of what we wanted to do with it. When we left it out for awhile, it really drops off hard, so us doing a smithy outside Duskruin once or twice a year keeps it where it serves a purpose.

Playershops thing won't happen unless we have a significant change in the game engine to have all those items loaded. I was just talking about all these private properties the other day. Item storage in them will eventually hit performance.

The enhancive stuff is/was in the works. I'll have to see where we're at there.

I don't think a lot of the other things would drain billions, let alone tens of millions. Like Adv Guild for silver doesn't really drain 100mil. They just aren't very effective silver drains. If we did a roguelike dungeon for silver, if you couldn't make back what you spent, I don't think anyone would do it.

vague onyx
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breakage and repair!

crisp vector
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Breakage and repair would drain silvers but just be immediately added to eloot and create tedium for anyone who doesn't script things.

sage tundra
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you would need a progressive tax version of breakage

silver imp
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I've talked about it before, but tedium is the real silver drain. And no one wants that.

vivid spade
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breakage is a regressive tax...yeah, Tikba hit it

placid otter
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I honestly forget to charge for silvers... every year. I probably would if my lazy was catered to but it's probably not make or break on income

minor comet
static wave
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help game engine please, please to be fixing item limits

crisp vector
placid otter
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Yeah, I am curious if the requirement to find the one programmer still active in STL with the language knowledge is up for budging. .

novel falcon
vivid spade
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Yeah...or Astral Vault. But true on family vault

odd seal
north palm
# silver imp A lot of these we've talked about though. If we did something like permanent WP...

I respect that. Not all my ideas are feasible or winners- but I think some things like hunting areas, reim, etc... may not drain billions on their own, but they would be applicable to the entire player base, which has it's own appeal.
I think all economic levels want to see something to do with their silvers, even those who do not want to engage in player services.
Even if my ideas suck, I implore staff to come up with things that everyone can and wants to spend their in game currency on.

Thank you for responding. I appreciate it

maiden kite
abstract forum
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Perhaps I'm jaded, (that's probably a yes) but I always assumed that the motivation behind cries to drain silvers were not-so-lowkey because people want to sell their silvers for higher RL cash.

novel falcon
north palm
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you legit could sell RPA orbs for silvers and if priced correctly, it would drain silvers in perpetuity

minor comet
vivid spade
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I'm perfectly okay with forever sales on Exp orbs. I could care less how fast people gain xp

loud echo
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even exp orbs for silvers, wouldn't drain much, you right now today, can buy pretty much as many 3x RPA orbs as you want for 10m a pop, maybe cheaper.

vague onyx
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eventually you'd buy so many you true cap and then quit!

wise bolt
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Have you seen some peoples stables of alts?

placid otter
north palm
vivid spade
odd seal
placid otter
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Also, silver prices would only go up so far, because it's easy enough to earn more rather than paying somebody. And if the prices rise the farmers can ratchet up farming to conpensate

loud echo
novel falcon
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Gift boxes used to dump violet orbs. I haven’t seen one in many a fortnight

opaque wharf
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A weekly 2.5m silver box with an attuned 3x orb. One per account, once per week.

minor comet
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Any time new ascension abilities come out will almost certainly cause a spike in orb prices, at least briefly. Could do a combo sink by releasing new ascension abilities and putting out a stack of yellow orbs for silver at the same time.

odd seal
crisp vector
loud echo
royal cedar
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RPA orbs are interesting, because at post-cap a 4x orb does very little for me other than make me feel good. I do like feeling good. And then you have a brand new character and a 4x orb is huge

opaque wharf
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Those chia pets had orbs

placid otter
novel falcon
cobalt bronze
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what about you can toggle extra experience gain/absorb vs loot just like DR arena?

odd seal
# loud echo a character on each account

Not this either. Without an orb running, except on lumnis days, very few people are hitting 50k per day, even if they hunt every waking hour of their day, let alone 100k.

vague onyx
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you had to really work to get those orbs though. couldn't miss a single day

crisp vector
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It rules that I almost certainly got all of these orbs and just have zero recollection of it SmoothBrain

silver imp
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GIFTBOX has a tracker on the wiki that has been maintained by players.

sage tundra
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point to like 6 ranks of dodging on your empath and go "those were the violet orbs, good times"

vague onyx
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GIFTBOX isn't active right now.``` giftboxes should be like the lich king. there must always be one active, or the hordes of players go out of control
placid otter
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"This gift box contains a shimmering violent orb with two rubs, that is account attuned." "OrbRubber just learned the value of reading"

silver imp
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We have a GIFTBOX planned for the auction chaos. We're including 2 new items.

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I got feature creeped yesterday, so I need to update it.

royal cedar
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At the risk of reverting the convo, I think an enhancive reroller could scale pretty darn high. In Terraria the way it works is it's relatively cheap to reroll low-tier attributes, but increasingly expensive to reroll high-tier attributes. And I end up rerolling a lot of high-tier attributes to get top tier attributes.

north palm
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are RPA orbs for silvers permanently something you guys would consider?

loud echo
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I really don't think that RPA orbs would be an effective silver drain, as the event box has already drained that audience

sage tundra
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enhancive reroller is in the "this year's plan" document, and yeah, I do see that as a good idea that hopefully will gacha up a lot of silver

vague onyx
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free T5 thaumaturge book and greater arkati amulet in each giftbox would be nice...

placid otter
odd seal
north palm
sage tundra
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charms were also described as a serious silver sink in a gacha-style "mash stuff together" kind of way but not a clear ETA there, people do like mashing stuff together though

placid otter
silver imp
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Keep in mind, EVENT BOX is not priced where it should be. It's priced to compete at the player market. At no point should it be cheaper to pay in silvers than SimuCoins. So getting 10 entries to a pay event AND an exp orb at 2.5mil silver is the part that isn't sustainable. The pricing should always be double/triple of the actual worth when using in-game currency because it's 100% worthless to the business.

vague onyx
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gacha pokemon pets + farmville

novel falcon
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And what is the Simucoin rate for exp orbs going to be?

royal cedar
silver imp
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That's why boxes in games have bloat. They know the bloat isn't worth much, it's the only way to get the value where someone buys in.

placid otter
silver imp
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In GS, the exp orb is the bloat.

novel falcon
silver imp
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We limit the purchases, which is the only way we are staying alive.

minor comet
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I definitely did my part to remove silvers from the economy by buying other people's event boxes last year. 😆

royal cedar
vivid spade
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I think the implication is that people with unlimited silver would buy unlimited event currency out of event boxes

long maple
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yea a lot of people bought event boxes last rol

silver imp
loud echo
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every event box is potential lost revenue basically, as it includes entries that normally you can only obtain by spending simucoin
So they have to have limits or... well bad things

silver imp
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Yeah RoL took a huge hit in revenue with EVENT BOX.

#

We'll see how it goes this time!

sage tundra
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I will say I don't really think that analysis is perfectly on point because it's probably not the case that people would 1:1 replace with hard currency and in fact getting the taster probably helps motivate more spending, but that doesn't mean the price point is optimized

royal cedar
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Are there any brooch or brooch-like updates this RoL? My wallet says please say no

static wave
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RoL also has a pretty hard drop off the way its designed

north palm
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I dropped over 1b in event boxes for RoL. I think I met my goals though so don't forsee doing that again.

vague onyx
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(until they add the next shiny new upgrade to the brooches)

royal cedar
silver imp
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Another thing is when I'm talking about a healthy secondary market, I'm mostly talking about items exchanging hands for in-game wealth. I'm not talking about anything you do outside of the game, whether cash sales, trading lambos, etc. It's important to any multiplayer game. Bigger companies hire big brains for that stuff.

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(on mobile, my brain is smooth)

north palm
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Your DR model of self-competition is the largest harm to that, from where I sit. The in game currency secondary market is nearly non-existent now.

long maple
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how do u tel/trackl if they exchanging via in-game wealth?

static wave
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whoa whoa whoa, i made like 10k in tips/hustles sheparding people into vornavis, the system works

gentle grove
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oh hey auction is done, that means we can start teasing for the next auction

minor comet
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What is the Tomb of Secrets!

sage tundra
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not really true that the in-game currency secondary market is nonexistent, people trade player services literally constantly. the silver-based secondary market for high-investment items does seem to be mostly stagnant (although I heard that MK shield moved). my view is still that this reflects a failure to update prices more than anything

gentle grove
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It's like the Comb of Secrets, but underground.

north palm
static wave
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Tomb of secrets (to toe-hair grooming) provides owner with a new feature slot for toe-hair design

odd seal
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I have bought and sold several items over the last 6 months for 50m+.

silver imp
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Yeah, HESS definitely moved the needle to item improvements and losing in-game worth. HESS was also a player idea that grew and grew. Crux was the first person to really push on the idea of HESS on the forums in a way that we took on.

#

I tried to retire HESS a few times.

gentle grove
#

So it's his fault!

crisp vector
#

Nobody wants to buy your certified pre owned sigil staff when they can make their own at DR twice a year, unless you take a L the size of the one on the Hollywood sign on your selling price

silver imp
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(I'm going to test it, after this conversation fades from our minds)

north palm
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I see the failure as an simu creating items that competes with other items and sales, and not recognizing the player investment in those items post sale- to include other DR items/scripts, player services, etc... there's a strong disincentive to start a new project because there's no reliable way to move from one project to another. I see this as the single largest failure and opportunity lost for simu.
It hurts economics via in game currency because it makes people only invest in player services for the best, it hurts secondary sales because people only want to invest in top-end items, etc.
The frustrating part is that, as I see it, simu could increase revenue, stimulate the economy, and provide confidence in purchases by allowing swaps, etc

silver inlet
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Certified preowned nerve staff

gentle grove
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"Unloved old scripted gear"

royal cedar
placid otter
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I don't understand why people selling items act like they've been in the shrink wrap the whole time. Did you get nothing from using it?

crisp vector
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A prime factor in me not bidding on the 1408 staff (other than Goat wanting it lol) is I have no meaningful use for Nidal’s existing staff. No alt needs that type of firepower and I couldn’t sell it for anything I would deem close to worthwhile. It’s why I ended up not buying a piece of gear but instead something that I had no competition for on my wizard.

silver imp
long maple
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the 1408 staff was great but when u remember u got to start upgrading everything again it really isn't worth it. u could just buy an sk 1408 for about the same price and still use your existing staff

static wave
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lol who else didn't bid on items they suggested - call everyone out
(I threw out so many ideas I legit wouldn't remember anyway)

north palm
crisp vector
royal cedar
static wave
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throw a monthly event where all money goes directly into fixing the game engine and allowing more storage and properties and player shops and things that can be sold down the line.

north palm
# royal cedar If I could destroy an item and swap its coraesine relic to my weapon I would do ...

Corasine I think fits into a different category than what I mean, but there's a market there too.
I'm talking about specifically DR items. If you bought a sigil staff, player serviced it up, add HESS flares, subflares, etc... there's no way that you would look at the new spore staff and start over. if you could swap DR for DR, and then still had to buy the unlocks on the spore staff, that's a revenue gain directly. It would also inspire confidence in those extra HESS purchases

green bear
silver imp
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Yeah, auctions really aren't aimed at the super high end anymore when it comes to gear. It's those weird items that are complete different that I think auctions really need to move to.

royal cedar
placid otter