#[Private Properties] A running list of enhancement requests

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tender jackal
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There's not currently an inator for those

lunar inlet
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I permed several toppings I bought and they have a countdown from 999

tender jackal
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Well assist I guess because they shouldn't

ebon shore
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whispers, "feature creep"

lunar inlet
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OK, I will. Thank you.

wind hound
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I'm dying for something that nator's fletchings and arrowheads...

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That's my big storage issue aside from gems

lunar inlet
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Nators are awesome we just need more to reduce item count

ebon shore
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Seemsl like there's an -inator for the feathers though?

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not the arrow heads though

lunar inlet
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There is you get it at jeepers creepers

wind hound
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feathers aren't fletchings though

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they can be made into fletchings, but it's fletchings I have

ebon shore
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I sort of quit worrying about fletching since the archery changes, so I am very rusty

drifting zealot
wind hound
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arrowheads/fletchings still add flares, but at limited quantities, so....

ebon shore
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I threw all my fletching related stuff in my stall lockbox and sort of forgot about it 😄

wind hound
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See, storage problems. 😉

ebon shore
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I think I have a bajillion storm griffin feathers in there. Yep it's a problem!

worthy grail
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Yeah my big thing is scrolls for use with my Thaum Tomes… they are endlessly hungry

nimble bridge
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Sound like a good permifier candidate (fletchings/arrow stuff)

worthy grail
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The scroll books helped a lot for on-character scrolls but for use with the tomes not so much

wind hound
ebon shore
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Dissonance, if you don't already have a compartmentalized quiver, this is a good reason to have one, because you can store the various flaring ammo in there and use it on the fly.

wind hound
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Otherwise, we could just put unlimited flares on the arrows.

wind hound
nimble bridge
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See, you can solve everything, just spend more money

wind hound
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That stores arrows, but I still have to manage things to actually put flares on them. Or differnent damage types.

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and they are ungodly expensive

odd atlas
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I feel called out here. (This is also me, though I need to clean out my old "pantry" cabinet and set up my new pantry to stack those items properly. Plus the books.)

hollow fable
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I actually attempted to make a start on organising all my "house" related stuff today and quickly became overwhelmed. I'll try again tomorrow!

ebon shore
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This is also why I am still holding >450 items on my person

hollow fable
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I clearly need to employ more staff

ebon shore
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You never feel truly alive unless you're skating way close to character corruption!

odd atlas
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I also really like this suggestion and would pay for an unlock/certificate to have access to my vault from my PP if I could do so. It would also actually incentivize me to pay to expand my family vault. I already store a bunch of crafting related items in there, and this would let me do so much more seamlessly.

foggy anvil
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After having log in issues for months due to carrying too much stuff and not realizing that was why... I try to make it a point to not go over 400 items on my person.

ebon shore
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But.. the engine likes me!

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I log in and it goes "Hi Uncle Erek!" erry time. (yep!)

odd atlas
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What I'm getting from this thread is that there are two main types of property owners who are also hoarders:

  1. Those who use it as an extended locker for unsorted items, likely intending to sort them one day, but in reality it's just because we're lazy and want to easily swap things between alts or can't be bothered to go through our mounds of trash, and
  2. Those who use it as a way to store lots of one or two specific types of items for a tangible purpose (gems for bounties, crafting, chrisms, or other purposes; scrolls for spelling up; other mechanically adjacent items like fletching supplies) that is already cumbersome no matter what, even using lockers and locker alts, though some are made slightly easier if you are fortunate enough to have a rare auction tier item like those scroll combiners.
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And I guess also 3) Those who have a really niche collection of items they can't bare to part with (see: books).

wind hound
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My collection is almost all crafting. Either supplies, or the various tools (paintnators, papermaker, imbue boxes, blacksmiths companions, spider houses now....)

boreal lintel
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99.9% of my property storage is crafting items (I am guilty of having one backpack of about 50 gems for crafting SORRY)... the other 1% are precious heirlooms or gifts from other people.

simple flax
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it used to be the best option for things the family trunk has replaced, I am working on figuring what I should store now

simple flax
boreal lintel
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There is not an -inator for things that make things (dax box, lapidary boxes, papermaker, flower press, bottletraption, dyeinators, etc)

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I could totally show you my studio, it's all books and all the crafting things that make things. It's kind of wild how many things we have that make things.

simple flax
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ok, good to know, thought that one was made for things that don't involve just being a gem. That should be a thing for sure

boreal lintel
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You actually just reminded me to go buy another bin for those gems I want to use for crafting.
<inserts "I'm doing my part!" gif>

simple flax
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like 90% of my gems is just asking nicely of @vapid stirrup and hoping. Though I could definitely use a mirrored hematite if anyone has one of those around. But this is reminding me to organize cooking things there

boreal lintel
vapid stirrup
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The things at the cobbling warehouse aren’t coded as gems iirc

simple flax
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I'm just claiming innocence in gem storage because I have a supplier! I mean uh, have a gnome friend

boreal lintel
lunar inlet
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Also food that needs sorted into various basketifiers. I is guilty there lol

simple flax
boreal lintel
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(we keep getting offtopic LOL)

simple flax
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ok but I hear you can get cool deck the halls things and put them in your home and they are fancy? and involve gems, and I'm trying to segue back

lunar inlet
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Totally’

rich knot
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For real though we should probably keep this thread clear for private property ideas and recommendations. Otherwise they'll put the timer back 👀

lunar inlet
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I always wanted a table in my foyer. I made it out off a DTH lol

simple flax
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will the DTH live there permanently, or do you need to get that RW shop cert to glue it down?

rich knot
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They have the PLACE STAY PUT script so they will stay permanently until you pick them up again.

tender jackal
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Stay Put

boreal lintel
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You cannot, however, have them imbedded using a slip.

odd atlas
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I feel like we need a list of these things with the Stay Put script on them that works with properties, as it seems to increase with each event, heh. I can probably do that real quick to help others (and me) keep track of them.

I know of DTH, the Yll'suta, pantry... what else am I missing?

Taxidermy specimens and rugs, now. Market stalls.

hollow fable
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Speaking of imbed slips, can these be redeemed outside of festivals?

odd atlas
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My understanding is yes, at least in the past, but they may be overlooked if it's outside of that festival window since they're associated with it in DELAY.

hollow fable
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That was my concern

boreal lintel
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If this happens, I'd email Thandiwe or Tivvy... though I had an artwork slip from this last RW I redeemed early into EG and it was handled! (though it's broken because of course it is, it's me lol)

wind hound
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I've redeemed stuff multiple festivals after and it was fine.

ebon shore
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hmm... speaking of pantry I have a feature creep suggestion for Vanah... runs off to that topic...

boreal lintel
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I'd love the baker's racks to hold the tea cases!

lunar inlet
proper turret
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I think they do, yes, but I'd have to see them first to make sure.

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No, not in this. Its part of the mixing types in an inator causing confusion thing.

odd atlas
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If it helps, "a dark blood red leather tome" registered to Alisaire is one that I got from a library.

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(The analyze on them is also weird if you buy a book.)

proper turret
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I'm going to work out a few options. Either upgrade a current shelf and/or add a shelf.

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This is accurate though

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I do like to have conversations. On you meant a conversion. But that does make sense.

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Ethereal created this book already. I won't replicate functionality of something else.

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The gem-inator?

rich knot
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(I'll let her catch up. Heh)

wind hound
proper turret
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There is the kit that Mestys and Casil created....

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This is kind of a sticky point.

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At this rate, I can't keep up with this channel and may have to put it back on slow mode....

wind hound
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We could probably use a wiki page that talks about things that can store things for organizational purposes... Not it, but I nominate @vapid stirrup

odd atlas
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https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Stay_put now exists as a category for items with the stay put feature. I may have missed some but did a search for "stay put" in case there was any analyze that referenced it. These are generally things that can be safely placed inside a property by the owner indefinitely.

proper turret
proper turret
hollow fable
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I have plans but I promise not to overwhelm you

proper turret
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As for the things that make other things. Those individual items are hard to "inate" because the store so much data on them. -inators are really only good for simple things.

odd atlas
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One day I'll get the author to sign it. raises fist!

vapid stirrup
boreal lintel
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Sounds like I need to add a bookcase to the sitting room design change. :hides:

vapid stirrup
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...wait. the vases and herb garden and foraged item props can't be NUDGED on/under/behind things. Hmm.

boreal lintel
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Also, is there a way to see the flowers in the premade vouchers in the roof over?

tender jackal
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foraged item props aren't Stay Put.

vapid stirrup
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Ah okay.

proper turret
boreal lintel
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>anal vou
You analyze the silver voucher and sense that the creator has provided the following information:

*** The voucher is not able to be altered by a merchant no matter what the below notes may say. ***

This will grant you a foraged item prop.  Any GALD merchant can customize it for you, though not all merchants may want to do all fields.
You may TURN the voucher to change the type of foraged item prop it creates.

This particular voucher will provide you with not customized yet.  You can pick tree, shrub, ground cover, flowerbox, or vine.


Base Item:  a glazed cyan glass vase

And has a show of: a spray of fern-cradled florals gathered in a glazed cyan glass vase

To apply it, RAISE the voucher in the room that you want the prop to reside in.

A flora-inked silver voucher may be utilized by Loft Owners, Private Property Owners, and Bungalow Owners.
  However, the type setting on this is not allowed indoors.
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The analyze is the same both pre and post purchase. And there is not a READ. 🙁
proper turret
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One second.

boreal lintel
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Also... shouldn't a vase of flowers be allowed indoors? think

cinder marten
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That's what I was wondering with the potted herbs too

proper turret
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Oh

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cause its broken....

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interesting

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One second

cinder marten
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#ebon-gate message

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I just mentioned it over there. Weird thing on the DROP too

proper turret
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Riend, see if that fixed it.

cinder marten
proper turret
cinder marten
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You grab a jar-inked herb garden voucher from one of the small rune-stitched pockets inside of your samite cloak.

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That one

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I wanted to stick potted basil/herbs in my Loft

proper turret
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One moment. I can look in a second.

cinder marten
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I can go back to my Loft if it helps

boreal lintel
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No rush, all the premade ones are like that. I think someone tried to upload the looks to the wiki but it got walked back.

proper turret
proper turret
cinder marten
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In my loft and holding it if it's needed

proper turret
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I just need to know what message you get.

hollow fable
# boreal lintel No rush, all the premade ones are like that. I think someone tried to upload the... 
a tiny,gilt-petaled,starflower
a dew-laden,smoky teal,hydrangea
a cluster of,wild lavender,phlox
a half-bloomed,dark amethyst,peony
a silver-hazed,ghostly white,lily
a splayed,verdant ghost,fern
 
Mushroom:
a bone white,skeletal lace,mushroom
a glimmering,indigo-violet,mushroom
a thin-frilled,amber orange,mushroom
a glowing,balefire green,mushroom
a tuft of old,man's beard,lichen
 
Vivid:
a star-shaped,pale purple,nightshade
a dew-laden,bluish green,hydrangea
a lush-petaled,smoky purple,rose
a gilt-swept,pale ivory,starflower
a fragrant,vanilla bean,orchid
a long,jade-striated,leaf
 
Red-Violet:
a talon-shaped,amber red,thorn
a tendril of,red-black,amaranth
a jet-shadowed,muted scarlet,rose
a whiplike,thorned rose,vine
a cluster of,wild lavender,phlox
 
Dark:
a blade-like,ashen grey,thorn
an ebon-dotted,aubergine,peony
a velvety,wine-dark,rose
a four-petaled,smoky purple,pansy
a sculpted,burgundy black,orchid
 
Blue-Violet:
a sharply,curved ebon,thorn
a blossoming,lilac hydrangea,stalk
a horn-shaped,lapis gentian,flower
a dark burgundy,bourbon,rose
a spiky,wine purple,thistle
a blade-like,vert,leaf
 
Saffron:
a tiny,pale lilac,starflower
an unfurled,smoky blue,rose
a jagged-leafed,dark holly,sprig
a brilliant,yellow beach,sunflower
a butterfly,wing-like vert,leaf
 
Scarlet:
a sharply,curved ebon,thorn
a pale,trumpet-shaped,datura
a star-shaped,pale purple,nightshade
an ebon-tinged,scarlet,hellebore
a whiplike,thorned rose,vine
 
Muted:
a gilt-traced,rich saffron,iris
a stalk of,gilded ivory,alpestris
a dew-laden,bluish green,hydrangea
a pastel,blue-violet,starflower
a spherical,dusky orange,chrysanthemum
a blooming pale,bleeding heart,sprig```
proper turret
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Holy scroll batman

hollow fable
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Sorry

cinder marten
proper turret
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does anything happen?

cinder marten
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Nope

hollow fable
cinder marten
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I managed to add this vase: You also see a spray of vivid-colored florals gathered in an onyx-veined white glass vase.

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In a Loft

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the rest of the TURN options don't work indoors though

proper turret
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These are not allowed in lofts, does the analyze say otherwise?

cinder marten
proper turret
cinder marten
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I tried dropping it in a property too, just to test the verb, and still got no return, but there could be other reasons.

ebon shore
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Rohese with the "here's all the premades!" mic drop 😆

cinder marten
proper turret
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Okay, looking at this, it appears that it checks ONLY for property ownership

cinder marten
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Can it be changed to stick a pot of herbs in a loft too then? Seems logical

proper turret
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It isn't as easy as flipping a switch.

cinder marten
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Ok

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I can either wait or refund it then. Appreciate it

proper turret
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let me get through reading this because I want to make sure I understand what is involved.

boreal lintel
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Thank you SO much Roh ❤️

proper turret
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Did you reanalyze yours, Riend?

boreal lintel
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I can in half a minute!

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Oh it looks amazing ❤️

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*** The voucher is not able to be altered by a merchant no matter what the below notes may say. ***

This will grant you a foraged item prop.  Any GALD merchant can customize it for you, though not all merchants may want to do all fields.
You may TURN the voucher to change the type of foraged item prop it creates.

This particular voucher will provide you with a Potted Flower Prop.
Leaf (optional):  Can be harvested using PINCH.
Current Setting: a splayed,verdant ghost,fern
Flower 1 (optional):  Can be harvested using PLUCK.
Current Setting: a silver-hazed,ghostly white,lily
Flower 2 or Mushroom(optional):  Can be harvested using PLUCK.  Can also be poisonous.
Current Setting: a half-bloomed,dark amethyst,peony
Flower 3 or Mushroom (optional):  Can be harvested using PLUCK.  Can also be poisonous.
Current Setting: a cluster of,wild lavender,phlox
Flower 4 or Mushroom (optional):  Can be harvested using PLUCK.  Can also be poisonous.
Current Setting: a dew-laden,smoky teal,hydrangea
Flower 5 or Mushroom (optional):  Can be harvested using PLUCK.  Can also be poisonous.
Current Setting: a tiny,gilt-petaled,starflower
Scent (optional):  You can add a single sentence scent to your prop.
Current Setting: 
Noun must remain urn, vase, flowerbed, planter, or barrel.```
proper turret
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Yea, it was just set-up wrong.

proper turret
cinder marten
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drop my vouch

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No return on it. I tried analyzing

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I see your message. Waiting

proper turret
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Try now

lone siren
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Very excited to be eavesdropping on this convo, js

cinder marten
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Analyzed it first

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half there! ```

drop my voucher
You are about to permanently add a silver-lipped blue glass jar to this location. Please confirm that is your desire by DROPPING a jar-inked herb garden voucher again in the next 30 seconds.
drop my voucher
You are about to permanently add a silver-lipped blue glass jar to this location. Please confirm that is your desire by DROPPING a jar-inked herb garden voucher again in the next 30 seconds.
drop my voucher
You are about to permanently add a silver-lipped blue glass jar to this location. Please confirm that is your desire by DROPPING a jar-inked herb garden voucher again in the next 30 seconds.```

proper turret
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I give up!

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🙂

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Just kidding

cinder marten
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But it's sooo close

lone siren
cinder marten
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Thanks so much, Thandiwe!

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You also see a silver-lipped blue-tinged glass jar teeming with herbs,

proper turret
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Okay, Fulmen, I also updated that analyze. Should be easier to read now and let you know everything in the jar.

proper turret
cinder marten
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Thanks a bunch!

cinder marten
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Vasculum works to store all this basil and other herbs for cooking too.

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alright, different pot...weirdness. Of the SIX items listed in this, I can only TURN it to four of them to pluck them:
"a spray of vivid-colored florals gathered in an onyx-veined white glass vase"
You gaze at a spray of vivid-colored florals gathered in an onyx-veined white glass vase with a practiced eye, noting that you could probably harvest a star-shaped pale purple nightshade, a dew-laden bluish green hydrangea, a lush-petaled smoky purple rose, a gilt-swept pale ivory starflower, a fragrant vanilla bean orchid, and a long jade-striated leaf.

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It rotates between the orchid, starflower, rose, and hydrangea, but not the nightshade or jade leaf.

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This is another voucher for flowers I added today into my loft, from The Roof Over.

vapid stirrup
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jade leaf is pinch

gritty lance
cinder marten
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Okay, heading back

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It's doing 5 of the 6 now. It added the nightshade.

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Not the jade leaf yet

gritty lance
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Pinch for the leaf.

cinder marten
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Ahha, okay. That did it. Thanks!

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This line on the analyze for these is interesting: "There is a chance you can sell this at a local Herbal Shop."

odd atlas
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that's in all foraged items' analyze

boreal lintel
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Fulmen, I kinda wanna visit your property now.

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and pinch all the flowers

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steal all the herbs

cinder marten
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Obvious exits: down```
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Elegant wrought iron scrollwork decorates the tops of the bird's eye maple partitions that lead to the corridor beyond, while the remaining three walls of matching wood stretch to the ceiling.  Carefully shielded lanterns rest in the four corners where they are anchored in place at a height that keeps nearly any mount safe from their fitfully burning flames.  A brick red clay floor finishes the stall.  You also see a lithe golden charger, a wooden ladder, a rose-engraved golden linden chest, a rolton-etched green watering trough, a layer of clean straw bedding, a hunter green gilt-edged hay rack, a gold-banded platinum feed pail and a backless wide teak bench.
Obvious exits: out```
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There's millions upon millions of scrip in new private properties still. Lots of need to put out more once storage is fixed.

boreal lintel
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Oh absolutely.

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I'd love to see everyone have some form of a private property.

cinder marten
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If it helps, just put some out without much storage. Two hooks on the wall and I'll live. Or add a locker system to them.

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Can add more later when it's fixed

odd atlas
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I feel like the bungalo concept worked out really well, in spite of some of the animated discussion about who "deserved" them early on. I really hope that it is revisited again at some point. KF was an amazing test location, and it'd be really nice to see them brought to all towns eventually, in some form.

cinder marten
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I wouldn't mind moving my Loft to HW either

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(and fixing stall entries to automatic would also be nice, rather than having to hold the reins in the right hand only)

ebon shore
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I'd love to be able to wave someone in, like at an Inn table when already inside

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inc wall of text cut/paste requests along this discusssion from Elysia outside the discord... 🙂


1. Please make the grandfather clocks placeable in outdoor rooms.  Most of my property is outside, so I turned my clock into a garden clock (totally a thing!), then discovered I can't place it.
2. Please make some existing scripted items stay-put in a PP by the owner until retrieved, such as:  Artist Easels, Gambling Kit tables, the folding chairs that used to be sold at Caligos EG.
3. Love the upcoming bookshelves, and second the request for allowing the storage of the maps in them (or "a map cabinet".  
4. More stay-put furnishings that do not require permanent installation - everything from the suggested towel racks (it's fine to limit their "storage" to Tintrel Towels and EG Hotel Towels), to a "condiment caddy" that allows us to consolidate all that tea and coffee stuff, and uses the same placement rules as a pantry.
5. Please reconsider forcing us to dump treasure system junk into crafting items to use them.  Do I want to keep dozens of blue crystals and silver wands?  No, I do not.  I also do not want to be stuck scouring pawn shop back rooms for them when I need them.  If you won't remove the requirement for "charging" these items, at least update the items so we can shove MANY charges into them.  It's just a counter.
6. Last QOL request- any storage solution would preferably be available to ANY character on my account, or in some way be controllable by me via a 'permission list'.  (Not just key possession, since those can be cloned.)  It's frustrating that my alt can't unlock and open containers.

Thank you for coming to Elysia's TED talk...```
lone siren
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I'm having trouble with the artwork in my loft – I wanted to be a dork and hang my new deed on the wall, but it just keeps asking me to repeat my whispered frame design instead of actually setting it

You have not yet selected your frame design for a matte black property deed.  View your options with NUDGE, and set your design with WHISPER {artwork} {wood} {shape}.  (The design resets after each addition to the curated artwork.)
>whisper artwork 29 5
Your frame design for the next added art piece is: an ebonwood-framed keyhole-shaped deed.  If you like this frame design, then REPEAT YOUR COMMAND WITHIN 30 SECONDS.
>whisper artwork 29 5
Your frame design for the next added art piece is: an ebonwood-framed keyhole-shaped deed.  If you like this frame design, then REPEAT YOUR COMMAND WITHIN 30 SECONDS.
>push artwork
You have not yet selected your frame design for a matte black property deed.  View your options with NUDGE, and set your design with WHISPER {artwork} {wood} {shape}.  (The design resets after each addition to the curated artwork.)```
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I also tested this by pulling a piece of artwork that was already on the wall out and trying to put it back, and I still got the 'repeat your command' line ad nauseam

boreal lintel
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Artwork strikes again! (Mine also doesn't work)

lone siren
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I can also put in an assist on this/wait, this is no rush at all

lunar inlet
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My artwork doesn’t work right either

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It’s very odd the way it displays paintings. But I don’t feel there’s a rush on it either heh.

ebon shore
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it worked at some point, because my old deed is up at the bungalow, so maybe it got broken recently

lone siren
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Yeah I have a whole collection of artwork up, so it worked a charm at some point. The deed is just my newest thing to display (that I am so very excited about, lol).

cinder marten
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Oh, I found a bug in Lofts. When I lean on my railing (a Watcher, it says), it looks into Valdarrow's stall, and not mine:

This is a Watcher.  You may use it to see what is taking place in :rmname.
To do so, you may use the following verbs: GAZE, GLANCE, GLARE, PEER, STARE, or WATCH.
>wat rai
Gazing into the railing, you see...
[Valdarrow's Stall]
Elegant wrought iron scrollwork decorates the tops of the bird's eye maple partitions that lead to the corridor beyond, while the remaining three walls of matching wood stretch to the ceiling.  Carefully shielded lanterns rest in the four corners where they are anchored in place at a height that keeps nearly any mount safe from their fitfully burning flames.  A brick red clay floor finishes the stall.  You also see a layer of clean straw bedding, an enameled virescent feed pail, a tall white oak bench, a bright white trash receptacle, an umber-traced slatted hay rack and a copper-bound oak and cedar footlocker painted with green ivy.
Obvious exits: out```
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The design of his basic stall description matches mine, but the items in Also See are different

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All the verbs seem to do it

cinder marten
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Bugged it

proper turret
proper turret
ebon shore
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Another item I notice we have a lot of in the property that could maybe use a storage solution - I tend to make a lot of alcohol (um... for science!) so I have lots of bottles of <insert liquor here>. Something like a portable/placeable bar that stacked the like liquids would be great, but ideally it would be compatible with the various bottle contraptions and customized still bottles that are out there. Hopefully those aren't too weird to identify via a stacking script.

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I suppose I could use a basketifier for this, but it would be nice to keep whole bottles and pull those out to hand off (which in turn have their own quantities).

vapid stirrup
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Player created food/drink will not go in a basketifier

ebon shore
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ok well there you go 😄

tender jackal
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Food and drink are very complicated, there are a lot of different things that could be different which is why the basketifier works the way it does. The wedding crate did stack bottles of the same type. You could hypothetically have a stack of crates, or a wine rack with individual clustered items, that would let you stack bottles but they would all have to be identical identical

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Similar to the champagne crate, it's all the same but it's only one

odd atlas
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I mean... I like this, too.

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It wouldn't solve Erek's dilemma of having a wide variety of beverages, but it would lessen it by allowing him (and anyone else) to have, say, five crates full of bottles for five different beverages.

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Unless it's compounding his problem by encouraging him to make more.. 🤔

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Erek, do you need a sponsor?

last latch
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Erek just needs to DRINK more, duh.
Or put the bottles into a darkbox and let them become someone else's storage problem animatedeyes

ebon shore
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but they would all have to be identical identical Yeah Vanah I think for the alcohol stills, this likely wouldn't be a problem, since the player could make multiple batches of the same thing, thus their bottles would all be the same. I routinely will do 2 or 3 of the same beverage, which then just sit in a container on a table or something. A wine rack or bar or something with stacking storage would be really cool.

spice hedge
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Oh my god YES please to stacking wine rack/bar. I'd buy that in a heartbeat
It would go real well with a cocktail maker 🫣

lunar inlet
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Wine press and wine rack. You’d sell me fast 😂

hollow fable
#

Now you're all persuading me to add a cellar to my wish list!

eternal sparrow
#

This is a neat idea.

spice hedge
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I have some candles & candelabra that are just basic props. I would like to see a cert that updates them so I can light/extinguish them and have actual, ya know, working candles.

lunar inlet
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Put the candle on the candelabra and light it lol

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I do that with a candle holder I have

lavish lintel
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I have some chairs that are linked but unscripted. Along the same lines I’d love a cert that makes them sittable

boreal lintel
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Taking that a step further, I have a bay window with a window seat under it that isn't an object. I'd love to be able to add seating via a cert.

worn kettle
#

I guess while we're asking for things...

I mentioned this a few years ago... but I'd love to see the fireplace script that's in a lot of properties updated. That script is ubiquitous... used all over the place, not just in properties. (The one where there's also sticks and you have to toss them in to start the fire.)

I'd be 100% happy if it had an update that was as simple as extending the duration of the fire you get. You can toss like 234425 sticks in there, and then you're warm for like 5 minutes. I generally never light mine because it's not worth the effort.

lunar inlet
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Omg making my static fireplace workable would be awesome, I support Riend’s suggestion.

ebon shore
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I think this all got started with an item capacity discussion, i.e. one reason (among others, such as GM resource capacity) there are not as many properties is due to limitations with # of loaded resources (items). Despite the fact that we're on modern hardware, keeping all that inventory loaded at all times is a strain. This would also be true on fully 64 bit, because then we run into a "how much memory can we consume for properties?" sort of scenario.

proper turret
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OH! @gritty lance We forgot to tell them that we updated the kettle tripod to work with these....

ebon shore
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(inb4 Elysani replies with "Who hath summoned me!!")

proper turret
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So, the tripod script was updated, and I fully intend to offer it as a certificate. It can be turned into a trammel hook so that it can be made permanent. I used it in the Fate's Holding quest.

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And it does work with the fireplace, which was also updated so that it maintains its LOOK.

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I can also look at seeing about duration updates.

gritty lance
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But it’s funny because I’m pretty sure I’m holding a set of the tripod poles in Dev.

lavish lintel
worn kettle
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And the idea of being able to put a kettle in my fireplace definitely intrigues me...

lunar inlet
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Wait wait wait.. we can install the tripods? Do we need an imbed slip? Lolol

odd atlas
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Katara asking the last minute before the game goes down EG shopping questions here.

lunar inlet
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Gasp! I’m on my cell too lol

worn kettle
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Fortunately the imbed slips are at RW too

lunar inlet
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Will send rovvi a smoke signal lol

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That’s soo far lol

vapid stirrup
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I can pick up imbed slips if you need.

lunar inlet
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Got em luv, thank you. I was reminded by bestie I had some lol

vapid stirrup
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👍

proper turret
boreal lintel
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You had me at trammel hook.

lunar inlet
#

How about a cert to make a non touchable item in room, touchable? 😇

harsh fiber
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Will my popcorn kettle stay put be cool to have that

cinder marten
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I think you'd be okay

ebon shore
tender jackal
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we did something interesting with flourishes for the weavinator tote to store temporary information on items added to the tote. Could look at doing that for stacking.

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either way, no promises, but it's the first time I've used or seen it used as temporary dedicated data storage and I was excited about it

ebon shore
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Happy hunting!

boreal lintel
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Now I'm curious how that differs from other -inators, but it sounds super cool. 🙂

vapid stirrup
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I am wondering what other inators that might enable in the future

proper turret
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The inators that I own are using the maximum of their storage abilities. I should probably make a more official title for these things instead of this slapdash nickname....

cinder marten
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Can player food be adjusted to go into a Bag of Holding?

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It won’t, at the moment. Slightly different but similar idea

proper turret
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Not really, there's too many unique factors.

cinder marten
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Ok

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I wanted to stick this seared mastodon shank with rosy pink champagne and honeyberries in there. Real name is a bit fancier. Haha. I’ll just grill them one at a time. The vasculum holds herbs well at least

tender jackal
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the weavinator is also a container that holds weaving tools like awls, lathes, etc weightlessly but they still count as a separate item

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they only stack weavables like an -inator where the weavable is no longer a separate item

boreal lintel
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I was very much "woah" when it came out and I saw what it did.

tender jackal
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That would be a good pantry unlock, store all your cooking junk weightlessly

#

that's a february Vanah problem

boreal lintel
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(it would also be an amazing cobbling -inator tote replacement)

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As would being able to add a cobbling or forging workshop to a room in your property (bringing it back around!)

wind hound
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yes, please...

odd atlas
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I know that when the build-your-own-property came out in the Simucoin store, those of us who bought in on it were given one of several options to include in the property. They were the teleport key, a workshop, a summoning chamber, a deity shrine, or a fishing hole. (There might have ben a sixth, but if so, I'm blanking on what it was.)

MOST of those have become available in some way since then - whether it's an automated certificate for the teleporting key, or a trove win for the workshop or shrine. I'd really like to see the other two become available finally, too - the summoning chamber and the fishing pool.

simple flax
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was a swimming spot also an option? or that is maybe from something else, but yes on fishing for sure

proper turret
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I did do a swimming thing once on blue moon for a Mist Harbor property.

cinder marten
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That Zul Logoth dwarven house had a bathing room or hot tub thing. Need more of those, one you can jump in and soak

stoic basin
# 
>go pool
You walk over toward the rock-lined pool and slowly inch your body into the chilly water until it's up to your neck.
s>swim
How do you plan to do that here?
s>splash
You kick your feet and splash around in the water idly.
s>
With an elegant display, a sunset paradise flycatcher swoops from a branch, its vibrant, long, tail feathers trailing behind in a swirling dance of vivid hues.  As it glides through the air, its plumage catches the sunlight, creating a dazzling fan of colors that shimmer in every shade of the sunset.
s>lie
You lay back and float in the water.

aww

drifting zealot
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I have a fountain pool… you can’t swim but you can splash around. It would be extra nifty if you could swim. Alas!

ebon shore
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we have a pool that we never go in, lol. Has the old splash/swim script on it from ages past.

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you can jump pool and cannonball too

odd atlas
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No wonder Erek wants a bar-inator, so he can have a pool side tiki setup.

drifting zealot
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Hmmm I’m going to have to recheck the pool. GM Mazreth did such an awesome job.

boreal lintel
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Combine fishing and swimming pools ❤️

simple flax
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plus fishing up a friend

cinder marten
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The fish nibble on you intermittently

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The haunted house has spectral piranhas

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Turtle pops up, asks if you're done..."Hurry up, I need my sun rock back."

#

All sorts of amusing pool ambients you could do

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Dragonfly lands on a lilypad

drifting zealot
# 
You walk over toward the hexagonal pool and slowly inch your body into the chilly water until it's up to your neck.
s>swim pool
How do you plan to do that here?
s>lay pool
You lay back and float in the water.``` Yep, I have the same kind of pool.
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Who wants to come sit in algae water with me? 😄

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The pungent scent of brine wrinkles your nose as a particularly large jet of seawater splashes against the and over the edges of the . cool ambient, huh?

proper turret
drifting zealot
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Do I just bug the room in general?

proper turret
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it is likely tied to a permanent object from before the move over

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yes

drifting zealot
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Ok, will do!

umbral goblet
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Talon Redoubt (Pinefar property) has a mud bath. Feels nice on cold toes.

last latch
olive socket
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I love my outdoor relaxation bath.

[Dragonfly Den, Rainfall - 35810 - 35810] (u2005104)
Redwood planks with slight gaps form a solid deck over the limestone ledge, atop which sits an outdoor relaxation bath. A heavy chain attached to a metal pipe jutting out from the cave wall hovers over a holding tank leading to a punched steel disk suspended at one end of the bathing vessel. Giant tanik trees surround the outdoor setting, creating a privacy screen, admitting beams of moonlight. The scented air of the forest and rushing waterfall nearby contribute a relaxing vibration while one reclines neck-deep in hot water. You also see a stormy grey cloud greatfang, a curtained portal leading back into the cliff dwelling, a set of iron spiral stairs bolted securely into the limestone cliff wall, a bouquet of dark-colored florals ghatered in a marbled onyx urn and a large crack in the floor.
Obvious paths: none

go bath
You walk over toward the relaxation bath and slowly inch your body into the steamy water until it's up to your neck.
s>
The far end of the ledge closest to the waterfall is damp with the cascading spray, offering an icy shower courtesy of the montane snowmelt.

Love that the ambients work with the bath too. A hawk comes up sometimes and glances at the bath.

Still hate the Ghatered florals though.

proper turret
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The what?

ebon shore
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bouquet of dark-colored florals ghatered in a marbled onyx urn and a large crack typo ghatered should equal gathered

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Which I guess from the room text is a placed DTH item?

spice hedge
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It's a forage item prop.

wind hound
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An assist should be able to get that fixed...

proper turret
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its a typo

proper turret
worthy grail
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Jhust part ofh the GS mhystique. Lhike copaeaous usaeas of vowaeals.

odd atlas
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Don't forget the apostrophes.

boreal lintel
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And unnecessarily long material names.

simple flax
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and-whip-blades-too

gritty lance
ebon shore
olive socket
gritty lance
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Ah, I see Thandiwe fixed the shop ones in October. No more gahtering.

proper turret
gritty lance
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😄 You did!

harsh fiber
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Is it possible to allow Basketifier's to be placed in properties like the kalediscopes? Maybe an additional unlock?

boreal lintel
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Keeping a blanket out in a garden would be adorable.

nimble bridge
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Certificate Ideas:

Assuming ambients have to go through QC...

Ambient Certificate:

  • Rub certificate: Sets the room attached to the certificate.
  • Write/Whisper certificate "Message": adds the desired ambient messaging.
  • Redeem certificate submits the certificate for QC review.

The ambient certificate could either be single use or multi-use via the FLIP verb to whisper/write additional messages on additional pages.

Food Certificate:

  • Pre-designed themed foods. Could be sets, appetiziers, entrees, drinks, snacks, sweets, etc.
  • POINT the certificate at the appropriate container to set the container.
  • RAISE the certificate to create the food.

Both ambients and food available to both Middle Class Properties and Private Properties.

Add a Pre-made Bathroom:

  • FLIP certificate - toggles between cardinal directions, and possibly door/doorway/archway/curtain/other themed options.
  • RAISE certificate - Creates a new room, using a pre-made design, in the direction or named portal.
  • Compatible with bungalow slips/customization slips for future personalization.

Add a Pre-made Kitchen:

  • Just like the bathroom. Pre-designed. Use customization slips for personalization.
ebon shore
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I was 100% with you until the add a bathroom/add a kitchen. Not because I don't think they would be neat, but because of some technical hurdles. Unless things have changed (which I don't think they have), there is no "create room" GSL command. So, those would not be technically possible, and then we'd be back in the territory of requiring GM aid to build them, which is one of the reasons why they're scarce to begin with.

I love the idea of the ambient edit, which sadly also might require GM time, because ambients are scripts that fire off an event in the PP segment, and the GM would have to edit those manually), for no other reason than I would be able to delete the Howler monkey from our property. 😎

simple flax
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you have a rogue howler monkey? 😟

ebon shore
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gawd that thing is so annoying. We have this nice quiet vibe, jasmine wafting through the windows, smell of the grill outside, etc. and then CALL OF A HOWLER MONKEY! (ugh!)

simple flax
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well uh it's cheaper than an alarm I guess?

boreal lintel
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You get a howler monkey, I get random orcs walking across my lawn.

ebon shore
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ok there's gotta be a story there

boreal lintel
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Not that I know of! I have orcs, coyotes and turkeys walking across the lawn 🙂

odd atlas
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They're off to chop down some trees.

rotund wigeon
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Now I want to set random howler monkeys….

last latch
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Cave rumblings from Dwarves who never sleep continuously excavating.

cinder marten
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DRUMMM. A dwarven war drum rings out from the deep earth, shaking the foundation of your house and summoning the armies to battle.

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Every 30 seconds or so

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CLANG! A stone loosened from the tremors of the earth falls from your wall and lands on your toe!

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Then one about a squirrel flying through the air after it was displaced by a bellows blast, some swarms of metal-burrowing insects awoken by the clamor, and an earth elemental that starts hammering back because he thinks his relatives are yelling for him.

umbral goblet
# ebon shore gawd that thing is so annoying. We have this nice quiet vibe, jasmine wafting t...

One of my favorite spaces in GS is the House Arcane garden, because the ambient messaging seems just right for the space, and the design relates directly to everything it's next to. It's a peaceful space. Also it contains the Kali memorial, and for that reason we gave it a public access point. It's a secret, but not that difficult to figure out. Anyway, ambient messaging can create a great scene, or it can be a howler monkey.

drifting zealot
boreal lintel
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Snacks!

drifting zealot
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Indeed!

lone siren
#

I see dead people.

last latch
drifting zealot
last latch
wind hound
drifting zealot
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Has anyone here submitted a bungalow design slip for something via the new Sadie method? I feel like it's more complicated than it should be.

boreal lintel
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I did a blank foliage doc and I'm super annoyed I have to do 3 separate sadie scrolls to do it. Just... Just let me do the whole thing in one shebang, please dear Sadie.

ebon shore
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You can do bungalow design slips via Sadie?

drifting zealot
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Once I figured out the tag thing, I got a message asking what I wanted the window to look like. Uh... I filled out the whole thing, can you not see it, Sadie?! Apparently not.

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Yes, supposedly. You have to submit it as 'Other'

boreal lintel
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Wait

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They'll do the whole thing in one shot if you do it as other?!

drifting zealot
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I don't know

boreal lintel
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Blargh

drifting zealot
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I'm still waiting....

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I had a GM look at it, and they said it looks like nothing showed up on the GM side of things, so... either I did something wrong, or the system is wonky for slips.

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I would like to request an easier way to submit bungalow slips! Or at least.... tell me EXACTLY what to do (or not do).

nimble bridge
ebon shore
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Well just to be fair, my info is like 20yrs old. I recall vividly crashing the game when trying to do anthing with room nodes in GSL. 😄 for sure back then we did not have create capability.

nimble bridge
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With all the new automated things added lately, enhancive nuggets, etc. I was trying to think of ways to provide more opportunities without significantly increasing GM workload.

ebon shore
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I wouldn't stop with those suggestions! At some point a spark of an idea on how to do it might form.

drifting zealot
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I feel like customization is the biggest want, and that definitely means GM workload (QC, etc).

nimble bridge
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I thought the bungalow certificates were a pretty neat way to do customizations. As were the forage prop certs.

drifting zealot
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They are, except it's a nightmare using the new Sadie system, although it could just be that I'm inept.

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Plus, you can only alter so many items. I can't change my floors, which I would LOVE to do.

boreal lintel
drifting zealot
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Is it this but with an elk head?

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boreal lintel
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I'm fairly glad it doesn't actually reference the floor. But I always kind of saw this

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drifting zealot
#

ye old medieval light switch

boreal lintel
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One switch turns on the buffalo animatronic.

drifting zealot
#

Leftover from Chuck-E-Cheese?

vapid stirrup
#

Did Gaston get hired as the interior decorator?

lunar inlet
nimble bridge
#

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't platinum have some kind of property point system where you could earn points to spend for property upgrades?

drifting zealot
#

once upon a time

nimble bridge
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I wonder if something like that would work for prime so it didn't feel like a battle trying to get something

vapid stirrup
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It was only for properties that had rent.

drifting zealot
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so take that part out 😄

nimble bridge
#

My wish list is a 2nd floor lounge that I could attach my currently outside connecting bedroom to. And then I'm pretty much set.

drifting zealot
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My wishlist - add a private 'outdoor' area room, and change the walls/floors of pretty much every main room. Sorry, I'm not a fan of oak walls.

boreal lintel
drifting zealot
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I want an outdoor area so I can have foragables and bugs and such. And also some 'fresh air'. But like... an atrium, or a garden, would totally fit the cottage vibe. And no thanks to the turkeys a nd vultures, but I wouldn't mind a few geese 😄

vapid stirrup
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...I still think a strip you could attach ten already extant bugs/birds/aquatic things from Elsewhere you could then redeem to replace whatever's found in the room would be an awesome thing that could be added to one of the shops at EG/RW

nimble bridge
proper turret
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Bugs, birds, and critters don't work that way. They work more like the foraging system. They check for realm, climate, terrain, and then segment data.

drifting zealot
nimble bridge
drifting zealot
#

Oh, I get it. Yeah, something like that would be nice.

worthy grail
#

We just get occasional stray demons but that’s because Missoni is our neighbor (referencing people’s ambients from earlier)

worn kettle
worthy grail
#

Oh man yeah the random bits of debris ambients from all the experimenting over there

#

Welp there went a significant chunk of the neighborhood

simple flax
#

has there been a thing to add bugs beyond super rare things? like a slip?

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semirelated note, just this funny combination of items and room nouns: ```You glance between some sea life and a thin glass tubular device.

gaze dev
Can you even get to the sea or ocean from here?```

radiant marsh
gritty lance
radiant marsh
wind hound
proper turret
hollow fable
#

Does anyone happen to know if the mailbox vouchers can be altered before placing and, if so, can the nouns be something different e.g. can it be a birdhouse by any chance?

tender jackal
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Yes, they can be altered before being redeemed. I don't see any noun restrictions in the scripts.

#

your mail carrier might hate you

tender jackal
#

But the request has a character limit, so make sure you are reviewing your tag to confirm nothing was truncated

boreal lintel
tender jackal
#

Can you not send messages

boreal lintel
#

Not until you are messaged first.

tender jackal
#

Can you only reply to messages

boreal lintel
#

Yes, you can only reply.

hollow fable
#

Thank you, Vanah. As for the mail carrier, they should just be grateful I don't have a yappy dog!

boreal lintel
#

Thank you, Vanah ❤️

simple flax
#

oh good to know with the 1200 total part, as it was apparently saved in my mind with unneeded asterisks

eternal sparrow
tender jackal
#

I will pass along that request

eternal sparrow
#

Thank you!

tender jackal
#

where is the blue tracker link, I'll see if I can find it

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it doesn't look like it scrapes announcements. You can stack non mechanical requests on the same item up to 1200 points

tender jackal
stoic basin
tender jackal
#

the search didn't work but we found it

#

lich search looks nice, I WOULDN'T KNOW

stoic basin
tender jackal
nimble bridge
tender jackal
wind hound
twin swan
#

Are the clock slips coming back to add to pp again? If not those would be nice to purchase again

drifting zealot
#

Did they majorly reduce ambient timing? Or is my property just wonked up completely? 2+ hours and no ambients in the kitchen. There should be two.

tender jackal
#

Probably contact whoever helped you for your migration

simple flax
boreal lintel
#

I also have an issue with my artwork, but I think maybe it's being looked at.

boreal lintel
#

I bugged this in game but the flowers from a glazed cyan glass vase from EG's property shop do not work in the spooder box or the new hairstyling snips. Not sure if this is intentional as other foraged item props seem to work. I've asked folks to test the others if they have them.

proper turret
#

These might be scripted or restricted flowers.

boreal lintel
#

Restricted?

proper turret
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Without looking at the actual flower it produces, I can't really say for certain

boreal lintel
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I think it’s like a peony and phlox. I’ll test them for scripts!

hushed island
#

The peony, at least, came out with the food script on it... couldn't tell you why, but that's what the bug report on it showed.

boreal lintel
#

LOL. You know that’s just my luck. 🤣

boreal lintel
#

Yup, it looks like the phlox, peony and starflower are all foods, not flowers. Bugging them 🙂

proper turret
#

Why would you bug them?

#

Are they poisons?

boreal lintel
#

Because they are regular flowers, not poisons and all have the exact same food messaging.

# 
A half-bloomed dark amethyst peony is a normal food item.
 1) Slightly spongy, the peony has a pleasant, natural spiciness to it and carries the earthy scent of loam and oak.
 2) The thin cap is a little tougher than its delicate structure implies and carries with it a rich, earthy flavor that is inherently spicy.```

```A cluster of wild lavender phlox is a normal food item.
 1) Slightly spongy, the phlox has a pleasant, natural spiciness to it and carries the earthy scent of loam and oak.
 2) The thin cap is a little tougher than its delicate structure implies and carries with it a rich, earthy flavor that is inherently spicy.```

```A tiny gilt-petaled starflower is a normal food item.
 1) Slightly spongy, the starflower has a pleasant, natural spiciness to it and carries the earthy scent of loam and oak.
 2) The thin cap is a little tougher than its delicate structure implies and carries with it a rich, earthy flavor that is inherently spicy.```


It looks like phlox and peonies are not poisonous to people (though peonies can be toxic to animals). Some varieties of starflowers can be toxic, though. 

So I bugged it because it seems like the prop may have been built incorrectly, especially since the food messaging all reads like they're mushrooms.
odd atlas
#

That's the default edible foraged item flavor messaging. I do agree that especially "the thin cap" part seems a bit misplaced to describe all foraged items, though.

boreal lintel
#

It kind of lends further evidence they maaaaaaay have been unintentionally built as foods instead of flowers, but it's good to know. We found that messaging throughout the Honeymoon Village foraged item props too. Thanks, EK ❤️

odd atlas
#

A lot of foraged items can have the food flag on, effectively, which doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. Just that it's compatible with food systems and not, say, crafting systems.

#

I know I have specifically requested flowers, etc., to be edible when building a foraged item prop with a certificate, for example. That said, this seems like it should be information that is clear to the purchaser if the item was set up that way with a preexisting set, because I can see someone buying pre-built prop A instead of pre-built prop B specifically to use the flowers in it for crafting (or for food, depending on the person's tastes).

#

Foraged items draw from a set list of flavor messaging. I think there is slight variety, suchas if it's poisonous vs non-poisonous, but it's not much variety. Basically, if item=edible, and if item=poisonous, then use flavor set A, otherwise use flavor set B.

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(There may be more than two sets, I can't recall offhand; I know Thandiwe went into the details at one point when FIPs became more available.)

nimble bridge
#

Is there a benefit of having one over the other?

odd atlas
#

You can eat the food ones.

#

You can turn the non-food ones into weavable items, or (now) use those EG spiders on them to turn them into crafting gems.

#

If a foraged item is poisonous, it is automatically edible (which should be obvious but apparently it's not to everyone).

#

I think you can put an edible one into a Baseketifier, but only ONE type of them since the flavor messaging is shared. I'm not certain if you can put poisonous ones in a Basketifier and now want to try for, um, science.

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Okay, there are several flavor sets for edible foraged items. There's also one for fruit, and one for nuts/seeds. I think it might pull from the "type", based on how it is removed from the prop, but am not 100% sure there.

boreal lintel
odd atlas
#

Found it!

#1119107339262382165 message

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And yes, that is actually the default mushroom flavor you pasted.

proper turret
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Hen-of-the-wood

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I was scrolled up

#

That’s an easy fix.

boreal lintel
#

So much better that my normal "well this is a lot"

lunar inlet
#

Someone told me they heard baker’s racks won’t be sold again for properties, is this true?

tender jackal
#

News to me

nimble bridge
#

I heard we're all getting stockings to hang by the chimney with care.

lunar inlet
#

I’ve never been so happy to find out it’s not true! Heh

lunar inlet
#

I think that person got it confused with the Moardrobes. Phew.

boreal lintel
#

It would be really neat to have different messaging for key transporting. I always move a few rooms away from busy places to use it because the messaging tends to be jarring.

tender jackal
#

Like what

boreal lintel
#

I have not had coffee yet, so this isn't going to be great...

But we could draw inspiration from the urchin system.

XXX gives a little wave before leaving quietly.

Quiet things, or loud things.

wind hound
#

Loud Things: A large explosion goes off just behind XXX, sending (him/her) flying off into the distance.

simple flax
#

I like the idea of being shot out of a cannon to return to town, but hmmm pandathink

harsh fiber
#

My keyless entry didn’t move over, it was never a transport key. Brigit had it so if she wore her key she could walk right in as I recall maybe I’m completely miss remembering this, but it doesn’t work now and it’s a pain. I was told the door is scripted maybe because it auto closes , I don’t know. I guess I could not get any transport key with that door?

tender jackal
#

The transport key is unrelated to the door

harsh fiber
#

Ok so the door key was something else?

#

Do they still sell those?

wind hound
#

wearing the key and walking right in would be the keyless entry. Transport keys just take you to the door from another location (I don't remember their exact restrictions)

#

I don't think they were at EG. (transport keys)

harsh fiber
#

Apparently mine no longer works (keyless entry. ) Regardless I guess I need to buy the transport key, but with the FWI locations less important. Nice to know that one isn’t dependent on the door.

wind hound
#

The keyless entry is door based, so you should be able to assist and see if it was setup in plat differently.

tender jackal
#

I wasn't involved with the conversion so unsure if it was intended that the door scripts wouldn't transfer, or that the newly converted properties have the rent script on them

harsh fiber
#

Mine never had rent so unsure what that is

wind hound
#

FWIW, mine either transferred with it or was fixed. I forget which. So if you had it...

simple flax
#

I thought some needed fixed for that before? But I didn't apply it until I merged because it didn't work right in plat before

harsh fiber
#

I guess I can assist again

boreal lintel
#

On a completely separate request note... is it possible to create some kind of slip to allow property owners to create a prop to then imbed into a room? Perhaps one that isn't tied to an alternative currency?

Something that would allow us to circumvent some of the rules that, while they make sense for other items do not make sense for an item that is going to be permanently imbedded into a room?

drifting zealot
#

That would be a dream come true

boreal lintel
#

It would make life so much easier.

wind hound
#

On a somewhat grander request....I'd still like a private forge.

boreal lintel
#

Private cobbling workshops!

wind hound
#

Private universal artisan workshop!

simple flax
#

would be neat for bards to be able to sense to test the acoustics for magical bard stuff

lavish lintel
boreal lintel
lavish lintel
#

oh that's weird. my table allows it.

boreal lintel
#

I'll try again sometime soon and see. Can't rule out user error ><

radiant tinsel
#

so after failing 2 enchant casts thinking somthing was off i checked my workshop

#

how did my workshop get switched off?

umbral goblet
#

I'm sure this isn't the place, but can the person who did the Plat version Talon Redoubt conversion please reach out to me regarding location? I'm the owner of Talon Redoubt in Prime and would like to speak with whomever did the relocation. Thanks.

simple flax
radiant tinsel
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no it wasn't

simple flax
#

in that case, I don 't know, unfortunately

proper turret
#

Please assist so that we can look at this for you.

radiant tinsel
#

In the que thanks

tender jackal
boreal lintel
#

I redeemed an imbed voucher on 12/4/25 I haven't heard anything about. (I am in no rush, event + holidays and I have been unavailable a bit too)... just wanted to make sure I had done the thing correctly. Maybe it's because it's an EG2024 slip weedhomer

And to stay on topic - making some slight clarification on the slips, because small brains like me struggle to understand which is for what thing where and when. ❤️

proper turret
#

Does it show in delay for you?

boreal lintel
#

It does!
6 PP-Imbed a Room Item ISSUED 12/4/2025 14:32:18 CST Riend purchase 10000 EG2024

lunar inlet
#

So, when I look at my artwork gallery I see this; Hanging on the wall is a gallery of artwork. You see a silver birch-framed square painting of an elaborate gold-framed, a white oak-framed rectangular painting of an elaborate gold-framed and a white oak-framed rectangular painting of an elaborate gold-framed.

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Any plans to readjust the way that presents? Because it's really odd.

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The elaborate gold-framed is the default for any custom painting done with the easel.

lavish lintel
#

when did you put those up? that issue had been fixed.

boreal lintel
#

Speaking of artwork, I still can't set mine or add to it, but I think Ethereal was taking a look into these?

lavish lintel
#

i can't either.

boreal lintel
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Forever borked crying

lunar inlet
#

I'll have to remove them and put them back up and see but I swear I did a few not too long ago

#

ok I removed all the paintings but now it doesn't want to load any I do this;

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whisper artwork 81 9
Your frame design for the next added art piece is: a zydris-framed rectangular painting. If you like this frame design, then REPEAT YOUR COMMAND WITHIN 30 SECONDS.
whisper artwork 81 9
Your frame design for the next added art piece is: a zydris-framed rectangular painting. If you like this frame design, then REPEAT YOUR COMMAND WITHIN 30 SECONDS.
whisper artwork 81 9
Your frame design for the next added art piece is: a zydris-framed rectangular painting. If you like this frame design, then REPEAT YOUR COMMAND WITHIN 30 SECONDS.

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you can repeat that forever and nothing and yes I tried to PUSH right after, just says I haven't chosen a wood or shape.. ugh

simple flax
#

yeah, that's the brokenness situation I am also in

boreal lintel
#

Yeah, I think we're all in that situation

lunar inlet
#

I don't feel alone now LOL hugs

nimble bridge
#

Does anyone have an Innfun basin, and can you provide the verbs and messaging so I can add it to the wiki?

I'd like to start better documenting the scripts available for private properties. I understand there are many, but it seems like a situation of, you only know, if you already know.

hollow fable
# nimble bridge Does anyone have an Innfun basin, and can you provide the verbs and messaging so...

This is an enhanced wash basin that can be manipulated with CLEAN, TAP, and TICKLE.
If you would like a glass of water, then you can PUSH the basin and pour yourself one.

CLEAN
1st person: Dipping your fingers into the porcelain basin, you vigorously scrub your hands in the warm water.
3rd person: Rohese dips her fingers into the porcelain basin and vigorously scrubs her hands clean.

TAP
1st person: You lightly tap the edge of the basin and watch as the water within slowly drains away. Moments later, steaming hot water rises from its depths and slowly refills it.
3rd person: Rohese lightly taps the edge of the basin and you hear the sound of gurgling water.

TICKLE
1st person: Dipping your fingers into the warm waters of the porcelain basin, you quickly wash your hands and face.
3rd person: Dipping her fingers into the warm waters of the porcelain basin, Rohese quickly washes her hands and face.

PUSH
1st person: You collect a glass from those arranged nearby and push it through the collected water within a cloth-draped porcelain basin.
3rd person: Rohese collects a glass from those arranged nearby and pushes it through the collected water within a cloth-draped porcelain basin.

nimble bridge
hollow fable
#

That I don’t know, I’m afraid. Mine are either pre-installed or designed by me as part of a room addition.

proper turret
#

It does not.

nimble bridge
proper turret
#

Yes

wind hound
#

Alastir gonna be brewing enchanting potions in his bathtub....

lunar inlet
#

So, Thandiwe (no rush on this btw) the tub I had imbedded eons ago when the beach place was made doesn't allow for anyone but the owner to use it. Yet, some friends have said their imbedded tubs can be used by anyone. Is that something I could have rectified on my tub? And yes, it was a rub-a-dub tub that was originally imbedded but it was done years ago. I think it was the first one you imbedded, I could be wrong but I'm fairly sure it was.

proper turret
#

Probably because the tub was attuned to you. Can you bug it so that I don't forget to fix it? and/or you can place an assist and tell them that the tub is attuned and, because it is permanent, shouldn't be.

boreal lintel
#

This is just a head's up for folks! Be careful of permanently placing things like nail polish holders. Once permanently placed you can't WHISPER it to select a specific polish, you just have to take them out in order until you get the one you want.
I've bugged it, but beware!

proper turret
#

That's just a simple update.

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It'll be handled soon.

nimble bridge
odd atlas
#

You supply it. It looks for nouns. Paintings (made via an easel) work, for example.

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Or you get something altered to be a piece of art suitable for it.

tender jackal
#

Deeds can be from if you redeem a private property deed, you keep your deed as a souvenir and can frame it

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Papernaker can make blueprints, charters, diagrams, drawings, illustrations, and maps

#

There are a number of scripted maps out there

#

Sketchbooks can make portraits, landscapes, and drawings

wind hound
tender jackal
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Should, it's a noun check not a script check

simple flax
#

ooh neat, at least if things'd work, but in the future, I need many maps

wind hound
#

Yeah....suddenly I'm interested. 😄

#

Can we get a version that goes on a flat surface (i.e. a desk/table) at some point maybe?

boreal lintel
#

They're still broken though, ASFAIK... but yeah they're pretty versatile.

lunar inlet
drifting zealot
#

Does artwork go after ‘you also see…’. I’m assuming it does.

boreal lintel
nimble bridge
drifting zealot
#

Ok, thanks. I have a map in my study that I want to change, but I assume I have to use a bungalow slip for that.

lunar inlet
#

Is it a known issue that some of us cannot load our art galleries anymore?

proper turret
#

It is on our radar to get fixed.

boreal lintel
#

or... alternatively... on your radar to nuke from orbit? bearwiggle

proper turret
#

The thought had occured

boreal lintel
#

Understandably!

stoic basin
#

I wouldn't mind a move a node certificate. Since we are limited on nodes and somehow 2 rooms I wouldn't expect to be nodes are nodes 😁 Although I don't remember the node limit, I'm at 3.

tender jackal
boreal lintel
#

And Nisugi lost 2 nodes that day.

nimble bridge
#

I think 2 is supposed to be the maximum, but if I want to pay for every room to be a node, what's the harm?

ionic sedge
#

I too would likely get nodes for almost every room if i could. Unless there’s a balance or game engine reason not to open it up.

boreal lintel
#

Has anyone had their keyless entry stop working? Mine seems to only work one-way now.

wind hound
#

Did you get the two chirps when you push the button? 😉 Seriously, though, so it lets you in but locks you in now?

boreal lintel
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Yeah it locks me in now. I can’t think of anything I did to change it either. Reaaaaally annoying though.

wind hound
#

Asking the obvious question.... You are wearing or holding the correct key right? It could see that behavior if it was accidentally applied backwards and for some reason you don't have the right key accessible, maybe.

tender jackal
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You shouldn't need any key to leave, that's part of the point of the door script

wind hound
#

Right, but if the "inside" of the door has the "outside" door script, you'd need the key to leave, but not get in. So getting in would work, but leaving could be "broken"

tender jackal
#

Sometimes people do apply it backward on the inside door instead of the .. yes

wind hound
#

I could be completely wrong, too. Just throwing darts.

tender jackal
#

But anyone would be able to enter

wind hound
#

BEWARE: Loot Goblins

tender jackal
#

I see a bug report was submitted, we'll check it out

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It's usually immediately apparent when it's backwards not delayed like this

boreal lintel
#

It was working fine for years, just seemed to break recently.
We wondered if maybe it happened because I allowed familiars in (the only change to the room since the remodel).

nimble bridge
# 
>go door
Locating a nearby spare key, you unlock and open a carved beechwood door.
You stroll through a carved beechwood door, leaving a fading trail of silvery footprints in your wake.
[Journey's End, Lawn - 25985] (u4547201)

Mine is still working FWIW.

boreal lintel
#

We couldn't find the reason it happened, but Vanah was awesome and fixed it. When I inevitably break it again I'll have two logs to compare at least.

harsh fiber
#

Is there an interactive bird bath available? 🐦 🛁. Now I'd love that for my property

wind hound
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and/or bird feeder....

hollow fable
#

Oooh, yes please to both!

harsh fiber
# wind hound and/or bird feeder....

Easy offering would be the bowls of bird seed the ones you can throw, that are often in events. Could do the same for like a Koi pond too to feed the fish.

lunar inlet
#

Will there be anything for private properties at DR this run?

simple flax
wind hound
#

Yay precedent, now hopefully that becomes a certificate option.

simple flax
#

I can throw food to my eel friends

harsh fiber
boreal lintel
#

A feeder add option could be a neat certificate for EG next year, maybe.

#

Or a new artwork script because the old one was finally laid to rest (with maximum hostility) by Thandiwe.

odd atlas
#

wait what?

#

can you point me to more info on the artwork displaying script being retired?

boreal lintel
#

It's not! Oh gosh no.

It's currently very broken and they're "looking into it" and I made a joke about Thandiwe nuking it from orbit.

tender jackal
#

it was SPECULATION

odd atlas
#

thank you for clarifying

tender jackal
boreal lintel
#

It was a joke based on a previous joke!

vapid stirrup
#

...It would actually not surprise me if it were replaced given how much of a headache it seems to be.

tender jackal
#

it's hard to pick up someone else's work

boreal lintel
#

It sounds like, in some places, it hasn't worked right since first introduced. Which is kind of sad, it's such an amazing concept.

radiant marsh
wind hound
#

I mean....depending how bad it is, it may be easier to nuke it from orbit and write it from scratch...

vapid stirrup
simple flax
#

if they wanted to give refunds and pretend those never existed, I'd also be okay with that, because otherwise my character needs a portrait of himself on the wall. He has the cloak already

boreal lintel
#

I am working on the most hilarious painting of Cat in his little smoking jacket to go over the hearth. You cannot let them take that from me.

simple flax
#

isn't there an affix a single item option? but like you need that painting for sure

boreal lintel
#

There is but I just finished redoing the sitting room around the artwork thing I installed 🙁

stray shoal
#

is there a list of things that have "Stay put" properties to litter my abode with?

spice hedge
boreal lintel
#

:casually points out easels aren't on that list: weedhomer

lunar inlet
#

Suggestions for the tubs: It's kinda weird when someone else walks into the room and you are just sitting there and not 'X is sitting the the (whatever it looks like) tub. So how about, instead of seeing someone just sitting on the floor, maybe it can be updated to sitting in the tub?

tender jackal
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That would involve a room script to intercept and handle what other people see when they look, it's not something that's at an object level. It's significantly more involved

lunar inlet
#

Oh.. ok then

lunar inlet
#

Ok,, so what is a display box and a bookshelf now? Meaning how do they work? 😇

boreal lintel
#

I can show you how book shelves work! Hold on!

#

Looking at the bookcases, you see a raw-edged petrified haon shelf, a smoothed blue shale shelf, and a low granite shelf.

You step closer to a raw-edged petrified haon shelf, your eyes moving across its contents.  You see...

1.  an embossed dark brown tome
Fashioned of dark brown goat hide, the tome is embossed with a small missive that reads, "Philomaera: A Tale of the Goating."
2.  a worn buckskin journal
Small and compact, the journal is fashioned from hardened buckskin and filled with off-white pages.  Tidy catgut stitching at the spin keeps cover and pages bound together, while short blocky letters are stamped into the top, proclaiming the piece as "Lark and Lyric by Alouetta Lebouffan."

At the very bottom is a short missive, 
"For Riend, whose thoughts like rivers flow,
Through hidden depths where few dare go.
May pages hold what silence keeps,
And stir the soul where memory sleeps.
~*~ Alouetta
3.  a thin violet suede storybook (On Display)
Stretching across the cover, buttery soft violet suede protects the bound pages of the storybook  Embossed into the center is a lamppost decorated with an autumn-hued ivy vine.  In the lower right corner is the image of a blackbird wearing a tri-liripipe hat decorated in bright yellow and white diamonds.  Stamped into the spine are the words "The Lamplighter and the Fool by Alouetta Lebouffan."
4.  a rustic caramel-hued storybook
Undyed, the buttery soft suede that forms the cover and back of the storybook are warm caramel in coloring.  Fine stitching of rawhide binds the creamy pages to the outer protection, while tiny knots decorate the rustic spine.  Embossed upon the color is the image of a kitten with a horn, a squirrel, a penguin, an otter, and a bunny.  Beneath the design are the words "The Tales of Whiskerpuff by Alouetta Lebouffan."

A small note is scribbled at the bottom, "Miss Riend, this is for you!  ~*~ Alouetta."
5.  a worn suede-bound journal
Wrapped in faded beige suede, the journalis worn smooth in places and reinforced with new rawhide binding at the seams.  Off-white pages fill the piece, their edges slightly yellowed and left raw.  While some of the pages appear to be of a fine elven making, others appear to be homemade and thicker.  Embossed across the face of the shelf is the missive "A Traveler's Guide to the Northern Steppes - the journal of Caelindra Alandyr."```
# 
The Book-inator
This device is designed to store non-library books.  Due to the nature of this device and its storage capacity, it can't hold ALL non-library books as the data stored in/on some of them can sometimes be too large.

Use
PUT     - Allows you to place a book inside.
LOOK    - Displays a list of stored books.
PLUCK   - Removes a stored book.
WHISPER - Tags a book for removal.

A raw-edged petrified haon shelf can hold a maximum of 25 books.
It has the follow fluff verbs:  BRUSH, DUST, PONDER, PUSH
>
Drifting down through the barrier, a single leaf falls to the banded thanot and rosewood floor.  It tumbles about for several moments before coming to rest amid the wood of a hickory and hazel switch basket filled with sticks.```
ionic sedge
#

wait, book-inators are a thing? When did I miss that!?

radiant marsh
#

Bookinators aka bookshelves came out when they released my Manse.

rich knot
#

They have been teased for Rumor Woods though.

simple gyro
#

I live in a tree ya'll! This place is so perfect for me.

radiant marsh
#

The first one ate one of my books and it had a few other things that I found which were fixed and they're pretty awesome now.

radiant marsh
simple gyro
#

It's very elven/rangerly. Appropriate.

radiant marsh
simple gyro
#

It seems like I'll be able to upgrade the library and garden to do things too, like what's mentioned above.

#

Is deck the halls DR? There's an EG place too, right?

radiant marsh
#

RW I believe has some.

simple gyro
#

Oh, that's coming up soon

radiant marsh
#

This has a list of things with stay-put

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I made a packmother rug for my study since the ambients in the room mention a rug, but one isn't visibly obvious in the room description.

wind hound
#

You can setup a market stall permanently, too

lunar inlet
#

Now.. Thandiwe, what is a display box? Besides the obvious lol 😊

odd atlas
#

I'm wondering if that's what Kynlee had made available a few years back, where you could either display one item with it (where you can see the show/read if present) OR have it set up to display multiple times (cannot see read/show if present), but only the property owner can remove them

lunar inlet
#

Kynlee was a doll. :places hand over heart:

odd atlas
#

She sure was

lunar inlet
#

We've been blessed really, over the years, this is true about most all the GMs but the property gurus have always been lovely, nice, generous people I know I shall always appreciate and remember.

proper turret
#

It was actually a script built by Tamuz, but yes, its that item.

lunar inlet
#

ahhhh coolness

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Thanks, Thandiwe

#

One more question, please, Thandiwe

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the wall art installation, am I correct to assume that is the art gallery sold OTS when a property shop is open at RW or EG?

odd atlas
#

Oh wow, I had no idea that Tamuz had written that script - makes it even more special.

proper turret
lunar inlet
lunar inlet
#

:tickles Riend: And I think.. I think.. I like what I am planning a lot lol. Now, do I submit quick or give poor Thandiwe a breather lol

boreal lintel
#

Thandiwe is going to be designing my entire garden (which I am over the moon about), I just asked for the room I wanted it connected to and one tiny request.

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You may wanna doublecheck your voucher, I think she's designing yours too? I think only the cat was player-custom.

lunar inlet
#

oh

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well I trust her - I'll give her what I did and she can at least take inspiration from it, I hope lol

boreal lintel
#

She made me the most perfect library, and she took both who Riend is and the Perch as inspiration... but she also listend and made adjustments.

Building the library was a really good experience.

ocean swan
#

Very pleased with my library as well. The custom details put in to the furniture is great!

simple flax
#

is the book shelf thing a thing then, or what level of madness have I fallen in?

boreal lintel
#

It's been used a couple of times, but it's not for sale anywhere (maybe yet)

wind hound
boreal lintel
#

It's quite possible!

vapid stirrup
proper turret
#

@boreal lintel That book you bugged. Did you buy that recently from Ornath? They shouldn't be sold that way anymore.

boreal lintel
#

I’m bought about 10 books from Ornath last night, none of them worked. All said too old.

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I also have a bunch I bought from Ornath previously that did not work 🙁

proper turret
#

Hmm, that's so strange because they should be set-up new style.

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I'll look into this.

boreal lintel
#

That would be amazing! The Perch is starting to look like Raelee lives there, books all over the place =p

rotund wigeon
#

There are different forms of the updated books… If you post or dm me what books you are trying to use, i’ll make them a priority first to make sure they will work. This goes for anyone. Then i’ll go back and get the rest.

boreal lintel
#

I will send you a list of them, but I would generally say every book for sale in "The Last Chapter" (u7110425) are the old versions and don't go in.

I didn't get a chance to see if the one I purchased from "The Addendum" (u7110481) does.

rotund wigeon
#

i know, but i would rather start with the ones you all are using.

boreal lintel
#

Books I can't get in the bookcase from Ornath:


a slim leather-bound volume("Where Instinct Meets Intellect: Aspects of the Wild Hunt.")

a mithril-gilt scarlet leather book ( "The Fate of a Faendryl Princess, by Gowain Olberath")

a narrow black and grey volume (no title)

a mithril-gilt cream leather cookbook ( "Yummy Stuff!")

an onyx-inlaid golden mithril book ("The Jinn of the Qirnyz Gate.")

a ruby-inlaid white mithril book("Salvation - From the Heart of a Poet")

a silver-edged crimson leather volume("How to Read Faendryl Fashion, by Lylia Rashere Faendryl.")

a celadon lily-enamelled book(no title)

an agate-inset engraved haon book ("A Ranger's Heart")

a silver-edged enamelled brown volume("The Lost Lands: Yuriqen, Caverndeep, and Others")

a deep green tree-engraved handbook("Hunter Heal Thyself")```
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I'm probably missing a couple but I have... a lot of books ><

#

I might have been wrong about the books in The Addendum working, since i think Lylia's book is from there.

odd atlas
rich knot
#

Per the conversation in events, I would love to buy an add-on service that makes private properties urchin guide accessible for those properties outside of town limits. 🙂

radiant marsh
#

I will say, urchin guide in general is nice. A custom travel setting for RW mounts would also be nice, both local and realm wide.

odd atlas
#

yes, I, too, want to lure unsuspecting urchins to my hidden cave out in the wilds

nimble bridge
#

I'd like to request that the LOCATION setting be reversed from the current implementation. (ON = correct location becomes OFF = correct location)

I like to remain private, while in my private property.

I also want my LOCATION to correctly reflect that I'm inside my house, while inside!

I really dislike having to allow location spells to work in order to have the LOCATION to show correctly.

>property flag locate on
Others will now be able to locate you here.
This room IS monitored for vulgarity.
>
>location
You carefully survey your surroundings and guess that your current location is Journey's End, inside the seaside town of Solhaven or somewhere close to it.

NOT allowing location spells seems more appropriate to define the location showing as inside your property instead of allowing location spells.

One other issue with the current implementation, is that wanting to remain private while inside my property (PROPERTY FLAG LOCATE OFF) means that you will see Town Ambients, while inside your property, that make no sense to be seen, because you're inside!

tender jackal
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Locate status doesn't have anything to do with town ambients. If you have a window in the room, it's presumed you can see what's happening outside

nimble bridge
#

Locate status determines location, which is what decides if town ambients display. I do not have a window in all rooms, and town ambients are still displaying.

It's simply backwards from what it should be.

PROPERTY FLAG LOCATE OFF - Blocks the spell locate (116) and should make the location "Property Name", inside "Town"

tender jackal
#

I disagree

nimble bridge
#

Why

tender jackal
#

Because if you are hiding your location your location should be hidden

nimble bridge
#

I agree.

Decouple LOCATION from LOCATE

property flag locate on/off
property flag location property/town

I don't want to see town ambients inside my property, but I also don't want to allow people to locate me while I'm in my property.

rich knot
#

I have been meaning to complain to the Homeowner's Association about the noise the Firebird makes every time it lands nearby.

nimble bridge
#

It worked correctly until March 2023, I don't understand the need for the change.

It didn't bother me as much until my property was moved to Solhaven, which has more town ambients than all the other towns combined.

radiant marsh
#

I enjoy Solhaven, and all it's ambients. It has bells, clocktower, children playing in the streets, temple bells, dinner. It's alive.

nimble bridge
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I wouldn't mind seeing them, outside my home. I shouldn't be seeing them while inside. I shouldn't have to allow people to use locate (116) in order to block seeing them.

radiant marsh
# nimble bridge I wouldn't mind seeing them, outside my home. I shouldn't be seeing them while ...

Except this isn't the case. Others will no longer be able to locate you here. This room IS monitored for vulgarity.
In the depth of night, the Temple of Ronan's bells toll with a measured and haunting resonance. Each somber note hangs in the air, a spectral serenade that blankets the sleeping seaport in an otherworldly hush.
The locate flag has nothing to do with whether the ambients from the town are visible in your property.

nimble bridge
#

It looks like I didn't allow enough time to pass. It doesn't change the ambient messaging, which is unfortunate.

# 
In the depth of night, the Temple of Ronan's bells toll with a measured and haunting resonance.  Each somber note hangs in the air, a spectral serenade that blankets the sleeping seaport in an otherworldly hush.
>
Today is Feastday, day 7 of the month Charlatos in the year 5126.  It is 00:01 by the elven time standard.  
It is currently after midnight.
# 
J>location
You carefully survey your surroundings and guess that your current location is Journey's End, inside the seaside town of Solhaven or somewhere close to it.
J>property flag locate off
Others will no longer be able to locate you here.
This room IS monitored for vulgarity.
J>location
You carefully survey your surroundings and guess that your current location is Solhaven or somewhere close to it.

I'd still prefer to be able to toggle this. I guess it doesn't make any difference now, but it's still a preference, because while inside my home, location used to state I was inside my home.

boreal lintel
#

I feel confused.

Others will now be able to locate you here.
This room IS monitored for vulgarity.```

```10. Riend is around Kestrel's Perch, outside the frontier town of Wehnimer's Landing. (Warm)```

```You carefully survey your surroundings and guess that your current location is Kestrel's Perch, outside the frontier town of Wehnimer's Landing or somewhere close to it.```

If I have locate turned off, it shouldn't show me as in my house because I am in a room that doesn't allow my location to be known.

What am I missing?
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Unless you mean this when location was turned off

You carefully survey your surroundings and guess that your current location is Private Habitats or somewhere close to it.```
lunar inlet
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Ok - I do not mean to pile on.. I KNOW how crazy Thandiwe must be with properties but maybe sometime before 2027 the art gallery thing might get fixed? :runs and hides:

proper turret
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Yep! I've got someone more code savvy than me looking at it. They've already resolved one bug, and are working to track the other.

boreal lintel
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o.O Ma'am, do not play with my emotions this way.

lunar inlet
harsh fiber
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Rioti put a bug in for her Candelabra in Harbor Lights, Parlor. The click menu doesn't have the full menu on non home owner characters and the snap command is only working to turn it on and off for her, no one else.

tender jackal
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Snap intentionally works only for the owner

harsh fiber
boreal lintel
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I-I didn't know we had brought a variation of "the clapper" to GS!

harsh fiber
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Hah yeah, I always light and extinguish lanterns and candles whenever I see them in the game , so it’s a funny feature to have

boreal lintel
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I only have the placed candles I've put in, but that's pretty awesome. 🙂

vapid stirrup
peak thunder
lunar inlet
#

Suggestion: I know there's a very pricey alter cert for a full alter of an item in the private properties, sold at events. BUT, how about a cert, less pricey please, that allows you to alter ONE WORD on an item that's permanent in a property? ☺️ That would be awesome! Over the years, we change metals or colors etc and a one word change would rock!

proper turret
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One-word changes are hard to automate... I.. would really need to dig deep to see how that works.

lunar inlet
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metals, colors, woods? maybe limiting them?

proper turret
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So its a bit more complex than that. What if the item has a LOOK, what if its a long? Where does it fall in the design. The system isn't always smart.

lunar inlet
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true - maybe limit to items with no show/look?

boreal lintel
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A just-one-thing merchant for properties would be amaaaazing, but that's not a cert so weedhomer

rich knot
lunar inlet
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:hugs Riend: Stop asking for the moon!

boreal lintel
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LOL, listen.... my stove not being something I can imbed in my kitchen just feels weird, ok?

lunar inlet
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I'll give a couple examples: Moardrobes that you just want the wood or color changed, old furniture that has no show, like a mahogany door - allows it to change the wood, for example. More Simple items?

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Why not?

boreal lintel
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It's kind of weird the room was painted without mentioning a stove... but has a pantry, island, icebox and working sink. sweetshrug

lunar inlet
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looks at Riend

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OOoooooo

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that is weird

simple flax
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maybe the stove is in the basement and there is a secret delivery point

boreal lintel
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I wish we could add the moardrobe script to existing furniture for organization.

lunar inlet
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you must have a second kitchen out back heh

boreal lintel
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The basement is where we keep the bodies and bake.

lunar inlet
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all those half corsets, huh

simple flax
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oh ok so oven and morgue downstairs, upstairs stove

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what I am hearing is we need all the home merchants, and I am okay with that

proper turret
lunar inlet
proper turret
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heh

#

ALSO

boreal lintel
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I think I could see it though. A less expensive vellum for simple 15/15/15 alters versus the 50k one for a full alter.

proper turret
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Just one thing on an ITEM is very different than just one thing on a room description

boreal lintel
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Very true!

#

I absolutely 100% get that would have to be a live service.

lunar inlet
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I mean only physical items not the room descript but I get what you're saying.. doesn't mean I won't nudge you to try! LOL

boreal lintel
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Or even QC'd one ><

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I'm just over here daydreaming. 🙂

umbral goblet
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Allowing properties to be bought and sold at will would be great. Just require a $200 transfer fee to cover changing the locks etc. I think it would generate more revenue than people realize. If it's too much of a PITA, limit it to once per year.

nimble bridge
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For the "Just One Word" alter - the bungalow certs would be good for that sort of thing.
a bungalow design slip

rich knot
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I'll take whatever form of property alters I can get that are sold within an affordable range.

odd atlas
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Yea. No offense intended to those who are willing to pay the current price (which I think was determined by price-matching an auction of the first available), but IMO it's unreasonably high.
I hope that it can be reconsidered at some point, as there is past precedence at pay events for not only advance auction offerings being higher than later store purchases, but also for store purchases having prices adjusted lower in later runs.

#

don't even get me started on mail boxes falling under the same umbrella..

rich knot
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50k event scrip would be a major purchase for me. As in, 50-75k would be my typical total event spend.

boreal lintel
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50k scrip is a lot, especially for something you also have to find a GALD merchant to alter.

tender jackal
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Just one thing isn't really any less work. You have to go through all the same steps. The MOARdrobr example, if you have a copper-accented MOARdrobr with a copper-framed mirror and you just want the copper swapped out for merrywood. I still have to look up, what is merrywood, can it be used as an accent on furniture, it can't be dyed, does it still make sense here, how much fodder would be needed, and then update it on the item in four different places. To you, it's just swapping out the material. It's the same amount of work on the back end.

lunar inlet
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I know where you got that example! ::snickers:

#

But seriously, could have price tiers too

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for example a static item with no scripts associated like a static dresser or such could be cheaper to do a one word change than say a Moardrobe

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and then the price could bump up a LITTLE for something where the script is older and familiar

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Like a trashcan, mirror script or the dreaded Moardrobe

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I have a guest room where every furniture item is mahogany - boring. I'd love to break that up. The items are static with no scripts. That shouldn't cost 50k to change or anywhere near that IMO.

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And I agree on the mailboxes. That was a price match to that crazy guy who bought all 3 or was it 5 of them at the first auction they were offered - I was there. That was insane.

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Generally speaking, excluding custom or special inherent to the property scripts, most properties would have, cushion or bench scripts, mirror, trashcan scripts, Moardrobes. I think that's it - again excluding special scripts, I may be missing a couple but someone will chime in I'm sure. Pantries, oil lamps DTH are stay put (GREAT ADDITION BTW AWESOME) which allows for them to be removed and altered if need be by Gald so there's no issue there. I think most other items with the exception of Foraged Item Props (FIPs) and maybe clocks? I didn't buy one - I hate grandfather clocks because of the chime - don't ask real life annoyance lol. Not sure if they are stay put or not. So, maybe a price tier might, maybe, someday, be feasible?

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yes I live in delusional hope!

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bed sheets - I missed that one

proper turret
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basins

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book-inators

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cubbies

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bathtubs

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windows

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beds

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quilts

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there's more than you think!

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Either way, the way the Bungalow slips work is that you POINT them at the item, it records the item on them.

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So that isn't as much an issue as you'd think. They are, honestly, the ideal solution.

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I understand your price points. Honestly, the reason they were priced the way that they were has nothing to do with 'one guy bought it.' I would have to review how many have sold before any kind of price adjustment could be made. it isn't like it is a decision I make alone.

rich knot
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I appreciate you looking into it 🙂

lunar inlet
#

Any looksie into this is greatly appreciated! And cubbies? What’s a cubby? And beds is sheets right? I’m deeply invested 😘

rich knot
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Now I'm wondering if I have bed sheets. It would be fun to use taxidermy kit blankets for the beds (aka fur blankets. No horse heads in my bed).

lunar inlet
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The bed sheets, as I think of em.. I guess it’s bed script, is when you pull the sheet up to your neck, has a few scripts including smoothing them out like your making the bed. I’m not ingame to check.

proper turret
rich knot
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Sounds adorable

lunar inlet
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Ok good I can totally corner her,. I mean ask lol

boreal lintel
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I have been unable to get to my computer for a few days, I’ll post my messaging for it tonight

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It’s really my favorite thing in the house right now.

lunar inlet
#

Thanks luv

boreal lintel
# 
You feel as though you could GAZE, KNEEL, LEAN, LIE, or SIT on the seat.```
#

I ... maybe can't. It seems my seat isn't working atm. Oops.

# 
>sit seat
>SIT
>GAZE
>
You gaze through the window, letting your eyes trace the slow movement of the world outside while the room fades to a gentle hush behind you.
>KNEEL
>LEAN
>LIE
>SIT```

Gaze worked!
proper turret
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Are you... gazing at the seat?

#

SIT alone would never work

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G>sit seat
You settle onto the cloudsilk seat, the window at your back and the world framed in soft light before you.
sG>anal seat
You feel as though you could GAZE, KNEEL, LEAN, LIE, or SIT on the seat.
sG>gaze seat
You gaze through the window, letting your eyes trace the slow movement of the world outside while the room fades to a gentle hush behind you.
sG>lean seat
You lean back against the cool window pane, the glass pressing lightly through the cushion of the seat.
sG>sit seat
You shift your position upon the seat, leaning against the frame of the window as you do.
sG>kneel seat
You tuck your feet beneath you, moving easily to a kneeling position upon the seat as you gaze out the window.
KG>kneel seat
You shift your weight slightly, your knees digging into the cushions of the seat.
KG>lie seat
You flop back on the seat.
PG>lie seat
You drape your arm over your eyes, pushing yourself deeper into the cushions of the seat.

lunar inlet
#

Thandiwe, is this the seat I’m getting with the hallway?

proper turret
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If there is a window, yes. Its a window seat.

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But its better than that

lunar inlet
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Yessss and it said window seat in the cert OMG what a great thing! Hugs.

proper turret
#

Also here: George who is lying down upon a vert-hued cloudsilk seat

lunar inlet
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What a nice seat heh lucky George

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Now I need to buy another window repair cert, so I can trace stuff too lol

boreal lintel
#

I feel like I am absolutely going insane now. I SWEAR I Wasn't able to type lean seat as well as click the verbs in the ANALYZE.

lunar inlet
#

Psst.. going?

proper turret
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I... will have to pull up the script. I think I know what might be causing the clicky issue (I'm new to the hyperlink game)

boreal lintel
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It's a really awesome script. If I could, I'd absolutely add it to the faux windowseat in the loft.

vapid stirrup
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...maaan. If only I could put this on the seat in my kitchen.

boreal lintel
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...who knows, maybe they'll be sold as an upgrade the fun window in the future.

boreal lintel
#

An actual future update request:
Add a food certs!
Say we have a custom food we had made at some point... having the option to have the food item placed in our property as opposed to say a basket would be neat.

proper turret
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That's almost always an option when you win that contest. I default to basket if I'm not asked.

proper turret
boreal lintel
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I had no idea that was an option!

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There is a window in my loft, just not an actual seat... it's just referenced in the room description. I mean you've seen it, it's just... weird in there.

proper turret
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I'm just saying the script requires both a seat and a window, with proximity, kind of hard to tell the computer to do that verse, I can figure it out

boreal lintel
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100% I absolutely get it 🙂
I'm mostly just excited that options exist, even if they are not easily obtainable.

vapid stirrup
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My kitchen bench seat has a window!

boreal lintel
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My loft only describes the windowseat at night, which is hilarious. 😆

odd atlas
#

I can fix this

lunar inlet
#

Thandiwe, before I drive you nuts (might be too late): I have a foraged item prop, a jacaranda tree that's imbedded in my room descript. 1) can I have the beehive imbedded In the show of that tree (a foraged item prop)? 2) I am giving this tree a show with a design slip (one I already have) so I'm writing in the look of the beehive. 3) before I imbed the beehive, I'm going to alter the show - will I be able to look at the show or is that a waste of time to do?

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And is it even possible to imbed the beehive in the show of a foraged item prop?

proper turret
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Let me make sure I understand the question

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Your tree is soon to have 'a beehive' in its show? You would like to utilize an imbed slip to make the 'beehive' be a link in your show and hidden in the room. Yes.

lunar inlet
#

yes. And my tree is a Foraged Item Prop

proper turret
#

That doesn't matter 🙂

lunar inlet
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Oh goodie!

#

:Hugs Thandiwe like a girl who loves the new beehive which is just crazy: LOL

vapid stirrup
#

...someone should add that info to the foraged item prop document wiki page.

lunar inlet
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Don't kill me but I didn't get a confirmaton the slip was redeemed. So I kept trying then I checked DELAYED and it's there 4 times lol

proper turret
#

the same slip?

lunar inlet
#

yes

proper turret
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Cause... woah bug

lunar inlet
#

yup!

#

it kept saying I can't redeem and gave me no confimation for 'raise'

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then I thought to check delayed and there it was .. 4 times

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it's Sophye btw

proper turret
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Oh, I know 🙂

lunar inlet
#

heh

#

hugs

boreal lintel
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o.O

proper turret
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Wait, how is this a -- hmmm

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I didn't think these went into delay

lunar inlet
#

let me show you

proper turret
#

I'm looking at it

lunar inlet
#

ok

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lol

#

I dunno when I got it

#

but Kat woulda bought it unless I got it from another player lol

gritty lance
#

lol ignore me

lunar inlet
#

lol

proper turret
#

I think I'm confused on the purpose

lunar inlet
#

all I can say is I'm innocent! lol

proper turret
#

Did you log out?

lunar inlet
#

I did

#

want me back?

#

I'll leave Soph in the garden

proper turret
#

I mean... I can't look at the slip if you log out 🙂

lunar inlet
#

heh sowwy

lunar inlet
#

I used the bungalow slip and it worked! Heh.. no weirdness FYI

#

So it was just that design slip weird one that's gone now lol

lunar inlet
#

-- There's no rush on this answer

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The mailbox for sale in vintage visions, there are 2; are they alterable by GALD? The analyze doesn't say.

proper turret
#

Yes

simple gyro
#

How do you add a stall to a property?

surreal mirage
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Not sure that's a thing yet- outside of a property or two that came with a stall as a feature.

radiant marsh
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Yeah, I haven't seen corrals being offered yet.

#

I'd expect they fall in line with workshop/forge/etc.

rich knot
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They were very buggy AFAIK and so I don't think they want to offer them until they are fixed.

proper turret
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They were fixed 3 years ago.

rich knot
#

Oh! 🎉

#

Should we be requesting corral additions in event forms then?

proper turret
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heh

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I mean, I guess

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heh

rich knot
#

Honestly, I now feel torn between wanting anchors for mounts or corrals. Anchors are so cool.

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My goat and donkey could free roam with anchors. Graze on the moss lawn and live their best lives.

hollow fable
cold parrot
rich knot
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Hmm too bad I can only have one anchor per room though, and I want them both to live on the lawn.

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They will also have to make friends with the bees.

proper turret
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Stalls are definitely better (ie: easier) to add than corral/paddocks.

radiant marsh
proper turret
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haha

harsh fiber
lunar inlet
#

No rush on this answer, but I am imbedding a mailbox into a show I did. I have the mailbox look in the show, do I have to alter my mailbox to match or will the show look override what it looks like OTS?

proper turret
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An imbed takes the mailbox. So if you want it imbeded, it will override the LOOK

#

I'm guessing you still use wizard?

lunar inlet
#

wizard? like the front end? No. Wrayth.

nimble bridge
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I have a similar type of question - In my room description I think I have a stone wash basin, but I want to imbed a copper wash basin - do I need to alter the copper wash basin to a stone wash basin or will the imbed certificate take care of that so what I provide matches what is in the description?

proper turret
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Oh, then it works like any linked item does

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The imbed will override the basin.

lunar inlet
#

I just want to know if I need to alter it first to match. I can't remember what I did last time!

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ok so alter it.. k

proper turret
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If you want the description that is in your show, you match. If you want a different one, then you don't.

#

As long as the noun matches, you are good to go.

lunar inlet
#

that answer it

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hugs - yes must alter.. I actually forgot I wanted the beehouse not the hive lol. I don't know how you keep up! I barely survive some days LOL

nimble bridge
lunar inlet
#

seems as long as the noun matches

proper turret
#

Let me try this via a different tact.

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Your room has a stone basin in the description. It is unlinked.
You use an imbed slip on your fancy new copper basin. This turns the fancy copper basin into a LINK because its a physical item that is now part of the room description, instead of an unlinked word.
If you want the basin being linked to have the same description as the one in the room description, then you would need to alter it.
If you want it to keep the basin's description, which is different from the words in the room, then you do not alter it.

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I don't know if that makes it clearer or muddier.

lunar inlet
#

PIN that please 🙂

proper turret
lunar inlet
#

it's perfectly clear imo

nimble bridge
#

Makes sense now, thanks

#

One last question though, does creating the link allow you to go above the 512 character limit, I assume no but what happens when the item to be linked has a description longer than the room description item?

proper turret
#

there is play room

hollow fable
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Is it possible to MOVE something into a forage prop (using the furniture mover request)? For example, I have a "well-tended garden" with flowers linked in my outside room description and wondered if I could put a beehive into it. (I feel like I've asked this before but can't find it so apologies if that's the case)

lunar inlet
hollow fable
#

Fantastic, thank you ❤️

lunar inlet
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I used a design slip on the show, I’d been saving forever, just a few days ago.

lunar inlet
hollow fable
#

Excited to get to work now

harsh fiber
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I have a clothing rack that is touchable but not usable. Meaning I can not hang stuff on it. Is there anyway to update that with the current offerings?

boreal lintel
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That would make it storage, I think and that's a big nopeski right now.

lunar inlet
#

gmta Riend

boreal lintel
#

I AM BRIEF AND BARELY UNDERSTANDABLE

lunar inlet
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:tickle:

nimble bridge
#

I see that there is now: a waterstained tub-shaped certificate being sold.

I already have the tub and the tub is in the room description, does it matter if I buy that one or the plain white vellum slip?

proper turret
#

Is your tub permanently installed already? If yes, then you only need the imbed slip. If no, then you need both.

#

One slip provides permanency for the tub, the other imbeds it.

nimble bridge
#

Well now I'm even more confused:

This is a portable tub that can be filled with water via spell 903 or 306 (Minor Water or Holy Bolt) for washing up.  The water can be warmed via spell 906 or 111 (Minor Fire or Fire Spirit).  Fully improved versions support scenting the water with perfume.

Once filled with water, you may place it on the floor.  GETting it will empty the water.  DO NOT leave the tub unattended for more than 5 minutes or it can be swept up by the janitor.

This white metal tub has been fully unlocked.  You can SPLASH, CLEAN, DUCK, LEAN, DRINK, TOUCH and POUR perfume into the tub.

Any merchant may alter the short, long, or show description of the tub, but the item must remain some sort of tub that you could sit in.

The tub currently has custom SIT messaging which reads: You hop over the side of your white metal tub, splashing water everywhere!  You lean back, stretching out your aching muscles, and begin to relax.

You get no sense of whether or not the tub may be further lightened.

I have the EG tub. I thought I only needed one certificate to add it to the room.

proper turret
#

You can add the tub permanently to your room with a permanent slip. This will prevent it from being picked up and walked off with. You can then IMBED it in your room (making it a text link in the room description) with the imbed slip.

#

There are different processes for each, and one has to be done before the other (ie: it has to be permanent first.)

nimble bridge
#

Is it safe to assume I can and will have to do both processes for a wash basin?

This is a portable wash basin that can be filled with water via spell 903 or 306 (Minor Water or Holy Bolt) for washing up.  The water can be warmed via spell 906 or 111 (Minor Fire or Fire Spirit).  Fully improved versions support scenting the water with perfume.

Once filled with water, you may place it on the floor.  GETting it will empty the water.  DO NOT leave the basin unattended for more than 5 minutes or it can be swept up by the janitor.

This copper wash basin has been fully unlocked.  You can SPLASH, CLEAN, DUCK, LEAN, DRINK, TOUCH and POUR perfume into the basin.
harsh fiber
#

This brings up another question, I have a basin that is imbedded as part of the design of the original room. I see Alastir's basin above has more verbs, would I have to get one of these basin and some how imbed it ontop of the other basin to get all the those other verbs? ```ana basin
This is an enhanced wash basin that can be manipulated with CLEAN, TAP, and TICKLE.
If you would like a glass of water, then you can PUSH the basin and pour yourself one.

``

nimble bridge
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I almost went with that one but I liked the messaging on the other one just a little better

harsh fiber
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This came with my room though, I didn't add it

lavish lintel
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I believe they are different scripts. One is InnFun Basin and the other is Portable Tub.

harsh fiber
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Yes, the wash basin in my room, I've always viewed as more of sink , not a tub

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I guess I didn't realize the tubs were called basin in the analyze

lavish lintel
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Same, mine also came with InnFun. I do like that you can get a glass of water which you can’t do with the other

harsh fiber
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Yes, that is nice.

lavish lintel
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I think you can get a small tub… if you want it to be more like a hand wash basin

proper turret
harsh fiber
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Nah, I have a separate tub I purchased, I'm going to put that one in my greenhouse, hah.

proper turret
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Because your basin is already scripts, Brigit, you can't hve the InnFun on it

lavish lintel
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I have a separate one, but no spot I love for it, so I await a bathroom 🙂

harsh fiber
#

For some reason this basin/bathroom/greenhouse conversation made me think of when country folk reuse old porcelain toilets as flowerpots.

nimble bridge
proper turret
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I'm not sure I understand how you have one of those washbasins as an item that just floats around. They should only ever be a permanent item

#

Maybe I don't understand what you have.

nimble bridge
proper turret
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Okay, two different kinds of basins.

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So, yes, if you want that basin, then you need a tub permanency slip and an imbed.

rich knot
#

Hello, I am looking for advice on how to best imbed a book-in-ator into this room:

Burnished cherrywood floors span the length of the entire study, ending just before a dark mahogany hearth that is surrounded by a half-moon of mosaic gold inlay. Ancient novels and tomes litter the built-in bookcases that nearly reach the ceiling, the extensive library only interrupted by the presence of a burled acacia doorway. A rounded black marble platform rises at the back and is domed by vast glass windows that are set up for viewing with a wide-lensed antiqued copper telescope. You also see a staggered row of art displayed above each bookcase.

The bookcase is a container.

spice hedge
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Do we know if the noun has to stay bookcase? Because if that can change, you could make it a library and imbed it to that in the room description...
but that's a big if and I don't see anything on the certs about the nouns 😅

proper turret
#

Are there shelves in the bookcase?

rich knot
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Let me go see

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It has ON storage.


You estimate that some built-in bookcases cannot store anything inside of it at all.  It also appears that a fairly small amount can be stored on the bookcases.

It looks like this item has been mainly crafted out of wood, an extremely common material.
>l on bookcase
On the built-in bookcases:
Containers [1]: a dark sapphire-paneled music box edged in gold leaf work
Special [3]: a jadewood-framed heart-shaped painting of an elaborate gold-framed, some reedy wooden sticks, a hook-topped wrought iron lantern
Total items: 4```
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I suppose I could also imbed it under the art display? That is the frame art script thingy.

worn kettle
rich knot
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If it cannot go IN the bookcase since that is already a container, I think UNDER the staggered row of art is probably the way to go. But I wonder if that item is eligible for imbedding.

proper turret
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So... any bookshelf can be imbedded, any bookcase can be imbedded. You can imbed something in the LOOK of another thing.

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The bookcase houses 3 shelves. Any new shelf you add would also go on the book case.

rich knot
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Can I imbed shelves into the "built-in bookcases" room item since it is already a container?

proper turret
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hmm

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Technically, no. But if you bought a bookcase and an imbed slip... then... I might be able to figure something out with some playing around. Does the bookcase have a LOOK? (the one already there?)

rich knot
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l bookca
You see nothing unusual.

close book
You close some built-in bookcases.
open book
You open some built-in bookcases.

proper turret
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wha....

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your bookcase just broke my brain

rich knot
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It's my "trophy case" storage I think? In that it stores a smallish amount ON it.

proper turret
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but... it opens and closes.... shouldn't that be.. in?

rich knot
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I... have no idea.

worn kettle
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(Most of the 'on' containers in my house can open/close... shelving... a table... a desk...)

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(Some of them are even lockable, despite having no capacity.)

rich knot
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In my head it's like a glass case for small trophies / items on top of the bookshelf.

proper turret
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wha...

rich knot
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So I am guessing I cannot imbed a book-in-ator inside of this open closey ON storage bookcase?

proper turret
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Yea.. no

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heh

rich knot
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Can I imbed one (a bookcase) UNDER the art frame script that appears in the "you also see" line?

You also see a staggered row of art displayed above each bookcase.

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Wait that's the item mover, not the imbed slip, right? (I am so confused. Lol)

worn kettle
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Yeah. Mover goes on/in/under/behind. Embed includes it in the description of the room or something in the room.

rich knot
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I think I have been asking the wrong question the entire time then 🤦

Really just trying to figure out a coherent way to add a book-in-ator into my library room.

worn kettle
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It's a real challenge.

proper turret
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Okay so... .you can't imbed one item into the long of another item that is in the You also see:

worn kettle
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Ok. One last ditch effort before I conclude it needs to go behind the desk.

Delicate silver wire is hammered into each shelf in a continuous floral filigree pattern. Each looping curl of the silver wiring has a different round-cut gem imbedded into it and the ebony wood.

If that's the show description on my 'floor-to-ceiling shelving'...

... still can't use an embed cert to embed the bookinator into the show of the shelving, right? Because there's no bookshelf mentioned in the existing show?

proper turret
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you could put a SHELF there

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Each SHELF

nimble bridge
rich knot
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Okay because I was asking the wrong question, would this item be easier to add via a FURNITURE MOVER slip instead? Move shelves inside of my built-in bookcase? Or underneath the art?

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And if I should work this out via assist instead, happy to do so.

proper turret
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This goes WAY into the realm of beyond an imbed service or move service

nimble bridge
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😂

proper turret
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So, the point of an imbed slip is to make an item you see in the YOU SEE a LINK in another items description or the room.

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The point of a move slip is to move an item ON, IN, BEHIND, or UNDER