#[Duskruin] - Somnis Armaments

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tired estuary
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The Trapper's Shack will be selling somnis armaments this run of Duskruin.

The somnis alloy is a deep, rich purple in color, with pearlescent striations throughout that carry a slightly iridescent property, causing items forged from it to naturally shimmer or glisten when the light catches them just right. The metal itself appears to be a seamless integration of iron, carbon, and some unidentifiable substance, resulting in a steel-based alloy of surprising elegance. The alloy will not accept dyes, as the surface appears to be entirely impermeable, but is easy enough to alter for those with some small talent in metalsmithing. The material itself carries with it the ability to occasionally render the target of a strike with a somnis armament comatose, plunged deeply into a sudden slumber, though it remains unclear what, exactly, about the alloy renders this effect possible.

Notes

  • Somnis armaments are available in nearly all bases, with the exceptions of Naginatas and Claidhmores.
  • Greater somnis unlocks are available in unlimited quantities in the Trapper's Shack.
  • Greater somnis weapons process their flare before damage is resolved, effectively putting the target to sleep before the strike lands (when the flare goes off and lands).
  • There is a rather forgiving SMR roll used to determine how effective the flare is, but it will not work against creatures far above your abilities.
  • Somnis flares are tied solely to the material. All somnis armaments still have open flare and script slots.

Updated information:

  • Greater flares will A) Put the target to sleep, B) Attempt to strike the now-sleeping target (Prone and in offensive stance), and C) Leave the target asleep for the next action
  • -150 difficulty
  • 100k OTS (Lesser), with 150k upgrades available OTS (Katanas will be 25% more)
  • Greater somnis will attempt a post-strike flare if the SSR roll used to calculate the pre-strike hit fails

Wiki link: https://gswiki.play.net/Somnis

pine pulsar
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What happens if you have somnis weapon with dispel flares, does it sleep them and then dispel the sleep? Do they both go off pre-attack?

tired estuary
tawny bolt
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Better question... which one resolves first? Can having a target sleeped help with the resolution success of the dispel flare?

upbeat hare
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Lol the quest for gloves continue! Neat metal

tired estuary
chrome glen
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Should make some illegal somnis/terror/KO gloves for the auction or the legendary feeder.

tired estuary
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It's more effective than Lullaby, but these flares still respect any creatures that can't be put to sleep (such as undead).

pine pulsar
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Anyone remember if sleep stances critters or just prones em?

nimble plank
tired estuary
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To further clarify slightly: These flares will never do less than put the creature to sleep. Lullaby has some 'lesser' options of effects.

slow wing
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I assume no runestaffs?

tired estuary
mint plover
tawny bolt
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This is a new metal right? Not wood. Doesn't quite make sense as traditionally metal bases aren't used for runestaff or ranged. But very nice to see that being bucked and hopeful to see this be the case for other "metals" in the future too.

tired estuary
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It is a new metal, and I got specific approval to offer longbows and runestaves.

pine pulsar
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Prone and stanced in an instant before swing, sounds even better than dispel and ghez

slow wing
dense smelt
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Would this metal function in ascension zones with the SMR resolution being level based?

tired estuary
smoky bluff
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Armors too? Since I know we use armament to mean anything in weaken armament

tired estuary
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Weapons only at this point.

hazy turret
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is this the same "sleep" that exists?
and it the flare sleeps the creature, does the attack have a chance to wake?

smoky bluff
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Can I immediately melt it in my crucible to make some perfect pieces? We can totally add it to the list over there!

And are shields weapons? I know, probably not, but still can't hurt to be pedantic

tired estuary
# hazy turret is this the same "sleep" that exists? and it the flare sleeps the creature, does...

Not 100% sure what you mean in the first part. This is a new flare, and doesn't use any of the existing 'sleep' mechanics, if that addresses the question?

And yes, a creature put to sleep can be woken by an attack, even if using a greater somnis weapon. So it can be put instantly to sleep, then get awoken by your Poke of Doom a half-second later, but said Poke will have all the benefits of striking a sleeping target.

pine pulsar
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We didnt even ask about greater somnis, it puts them even MORE to sleep?

tired estuary
tired estuary
hazy turret
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Is this SSR sleep, a la sym sleep was the question. It sounds like no.
Which base status EBP effect is the sleep? Immobilized, frozen, prone, etc?
I'm interested in things like- does this sleep count for parting shot prevention- stuff like that

btw, is a 5m timer really needed for these types of threads?

mint plover
smoky bluff
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5 minute is the default for all threads. Changes would be global at the folder level.

tired estuary
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Which sounds like it will address @hazy turret's question as well, as it uses much the same approach as symbol of sleep to actually apply the 'sleep'

chilly canyon
hazy turret
ember rampart
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I’m assuming that difficulty of item will be based on lesser versus greater, and can be upgraded later (like surita or aganjira)?

tired estuary
# hazy turret I don't think this is the case. Wiki one has 60 seconds, the loot cap thread was...

In my testing, a hit always woke the creature up, but if there's specific instances people would like to see tested, I can try and recreate them tonight or tomorrow.

Undead can't be slept by somnis flares, and there may be specific creature limitations out there (for instance, I'm unsure about demons) who are also coded to be "unsleepable", but aside from undead, I believe it should be exceedingly rare to run across an immune target.

tired estuary
chrome glen
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Constructs/golems and elementals are generally not sleepy. I think those are the big three.

slow wing
hazy turret
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Thanks Q. This seems interesting.
100% chance on hit to awaken makes sense thematically. I was hoping it could have had some defensive benefit, however. Even if it was to drop a prepped spell or protect against parting shot.
Having no impact on undead is a bit of a bummer. I'd love to see an upgrade tier that allowed this to work on them or at least something to impact them to some degree

dense smelt
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Not working on undead is brutal

lunar pumice
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That kills it immediately to me.

smoky bluff
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For me, it's kind of a miss on weapons. For bows you need to compete with Sephwir, which carries a -75 difficulty modifier when netted out with it's sighting benefits. Especially before we see ascension service bonus options, and we're all pushing up against the effective service cap with Sanctification, let alone if the Bard Service is on items as it was teased as well. Against more difficult targets to benefit from the material, you're likely already relying on a separate setup ability, knockdown, or other 'lubing' ability. Pair that with the offset loss of the perfect benefits, which can be 10 endroll lower requirements for things like daggers against plate for a T1... It's just kind of a miss at this point. Runestaves may be nice, but the unconscious benefit isn't going to be helping you if you're attacking with CS. Maybe wizards. Then the whole undead thing... I get it, but just reduced effectiveness where it seems like the goal for a lot of the higher end stuff is to just make it NCU.

There may be an application for things like blackjacks or something for particular CMANs, setups, etc, which would be interesting to see how it plays out.

I love stepping more into the material slot. I think this could be hands down the #1 material to use for shields and armor if it's approved for that use in the future.

I want to give the team a lot of credit for applying the new PSM debuffs and coming up with new materials that don't conflict with most current stuff. I really appreciate the thought and work that went into it.

ember rampart
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I’m curious if you can share the rationale behind why UCS gear isn’t a good fit for somnis?

hazy turret
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Is there any chance this could be a toggle?
Greater somnis weapons process their flare before damage is resolved, effectively putting the target to sleep before the strike lands (when the flare goes off and lands).
I would find much greater value on resolving after the attack for defensive purposes.

tired estuary
mint plover
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Since the lesser is post resolution, does it still require the SMR roll or is it just automatic like other post flares?

lunar pumice
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It really ought to have a different ability that procs vs undead. It’s a tough ask to sell a weapon for USD whose ability does nothing on undead.

chrome glen
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Be good for condemn clerics or earthen fury wizards. Obviously surita's the big competition there, so it'd mostly come down to price point. But you could save on the sanctify entirely by just leaving it off and making yourself an undead-hunting staff.

lunar pumice
tired estuary
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Update: This material will function on undead. I was mistaken initially.

dense smelt
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Hot dog!

hazy turret
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Exactly the same way?
When able, I'd love to see what pre/post resolution flares look like.
And that is the only difference between greater? Not power or anything similar?

slow wing
# mint plover Since the lesser is post resolution, does it still require the SMR roll or is it...

if it doesn't require the roll this makes the lesser version a lot better in a lot of cases I can think about, having it fire off first will allow for a flare on a miss but a hit will always remove the sleep condition while a post flare basically CC's a target and allows you to switch to something else and not have to worry about the first target too. while still providing all the benefits of the mob being prone and in offensive for your next attack when you elect to do so.

tired estuary
hazy turret
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thanks Q.
Any info on difficulty modifiers and assume cost is still being determined?

chrome glen
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Does that mean it'll work on other stuff that can't usually be knocked unconscious too? Golems, elementals?

viral osprey
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Do these come with a base enchant? Cause now I need a somnis spike off hand weapon

cobalt dragon
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If I duel wield a lesser and a greater. How will the flares work that way? One to put them to sleep before the attack and the other after?... ohhhhh aahhhhhh

smoky bluff
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Also... speaking of difficulty... can we not follow surita's model of an increased difficulty with the greater ore? Seems like you're penalizing people from fully upgrading their material off the bat. If anything, the greater should be a lower difficulty modifier to help get folks to pay the additional charges

quick walrus
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hm..yea i agree with the posts above that there's definitely an argument to be made that lesser is actually better since a post-resolution flare leaves the critter disabled while you're in rt

chrome glen
merry ibex
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Feel like greater should have a chance to flare before AND after, otherwise, it does seem like lesser could be better in many cases

pine pulsar
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That would suck so hard for the critter to fall asleep, get whacked on the head, and then fall asleep again haha

upbeat hare
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Can we rethink the UAC exclusion? I know UAC is what it is but it doesn't strike more than any other weapon in the hands of a lot of classes....especially with the recent RT changes. If not for this DR perhaps down the line.......it seems odd how the no uac is not applied in a consistent manner.

tired estuary
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Greater effectively flares +50 AS (due to setting the target prone and unconscious) every so often. Lesser has the chance to act more 'defensively'. It also forces the target into an offensive stance.

hazy turret
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I hope you can consider an unlock after acquiring greater to swap between the two variants

mint plover
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Prone is 50 alone.
+Fully stanced, which has both DS and avoidance implications

They’re strong in both positions, but if you’re not facing an unhittable enemy post will always be better because you still get the same bonus deferred to the followup attack (which doubles as CC if enemy_count > 1)

chrome glen
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If it does get added to armor/shields later, be hilarious if the Greater flare could prevent the attack.

dense smelt
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That's what Low Steel does now

viral osprey
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I like the idea of an off hand somnis weapon on a Riposte. Armor broken and Sleep effect on a reaction. Probably some fun things to do with something like Dispel in pre resolution and Somnis in post resolution

finite scroll
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Can this metal be used in non functional GALD if provided? Or is it restricted like other flaring metals?

slow wing
pine pulsar
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"A silk eye mask studded with somnis stars and half-moons"

still coral
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The pre resolution i see as most powerful when using smr attacks and spells.

stray vapor
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For post resolution: Does it happen after regular flares or before?

slow wing
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thats a great question

pine pulsar
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I can't wait to see a paladin using a somnis, sleep-blink , sleep-infused, katana with rotflares (Named Katana: Good Night)

viral osprey
hazy turret
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I'm very interested to see some examples of the flares.
Q, if you could, in addition to both pre and post flares, would also like to see it with any script/catb flare added when able to, please.

still coral
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Yup agreed, would love to see some examples in action.

tired estuary
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I'm going to have some updates to share here shortly, trying to test so I can keep from constantly revising things

nimble plank
tired estuary
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OK, update:

Greater is definitively better, as it leaves the target unconscious after the strike:


 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis longsword expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the huge ratosauraus, enveloping it entirely and causing it to collapse, fast asleep! **

The huge ratosauraus goes limp as it is rendered unconscious!
You swing a somnis longsword at a really huge ratosauraus!
  AS: +28 vs DS: -25 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +64 = +158
   ... and hit for 35 points of damage!
   Strike to the chest breaks a rib!

>at
A really huge ratosauraus is awakened by your attack!
You swing a somnis longsword at a really huge ratosauraus!
  AS: +28 vs DS: -25 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +10 = +104
   ... and hit for 2 points of damage!
   Thrust glances off the huge ratosauraus's knee without a lot of effect.```
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Working on combo flares to see how that works

mint plover
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Oh it STAYS asleep..?

slow wing
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ohhhhhhh okay that's different

nimble plank
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I want a ratosaurus

hazy turret
tired estuary
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 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis longsword expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the huge ratosauraus, enveloping it entirely and causing it to collapse, fast asleep! **

The huge ratosauraus goes limp as it is rendered unconscious!
You swing a somnis longsword at a really huge ratosauraus!
  AS: +28 vs DS: -25 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +19 = +113
   ... and hit for 9 points of damage!
   Slashing strike near forehead nicks an eyelid!
   That must sting!

 ** Your somnis longsword flares with a burst of flame! **
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Minor burns to chest.  That hurts a bit.```
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Poor Ratosauraus was still asleep after that

tired estuary
tired estuary
still coral
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Oh my, it not waking on the same attack is big

upbeat hare
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Ratosauruas confirmed

pine pulsar
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And if you miss, it could still sleep the thing for next round? IS that only with greater?

chrome glen
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Oh my. Does a non-flaring hit break the sleep?

tired estuary
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Greater is the only thing that has a chance to flare on an unsuccessful strike

ember rampart
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Yeah, that went from not the best material choice to probably one of the best material choices. Real rollercoaster. 🙂

tired estuary
# chrome glen Oh my. Does a non-flaring hit break the sleep? 

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis longsword expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the huge ratosauraus, enveloping it entirely and causing it to collapse, fast asleep! **

The huge ratosauraus goes limp as it is rendered unconscious!
You swing a somnis longsword at a really huge ratosauraus!
  AS: +28 vs DS: -25 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +21 = +115
   ... and hit for 11 points of damage!
   Minor puncture to the chest.```
```>l
[Staging Area]
This really is only a test.  You also see a really huge ratosauraus that is sleeping```
```>punch rat
A really huge ratosauraus is awakened by your attack!```
mint plover
quick walrus
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where do we buy the ratosauraus

hazy turret
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This 5m thing is for the birds. I have so many questions!

** For a split second, the striations of your somnis longsword expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the huge ratosauraus, enveloping it entirely and causing it to collapse, fast asleep! **

Is this a 100% thing? Not a SMR roll with a chance to fail? Or is the roll just not visible in the above?
Also your fire flare and attack above didn't wake it. Is that intended?

slow wing
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is this an ore in HESS or a shop with premade weapons?

tired estuary
tired estuary
still coral
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could we get an example of it failing on a super high level thing? Just curious what that looks like.

tired estuary
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I'll try and get some examples later today.

pine pulsar
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I am trying to figure out in what scenario the sleep flares would go off but you miss the swing, it would either have to be heavily spelled up or you just had a terriblely low AS. Missing a sleeping target lol

dense smelt
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And a general idea how how it might function vs something ~120, that's going to be a thing

tired estuary
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But I'll try and recreate it

ember rampart
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If no one has asked about flare rates, and you’re able to share, I’m also curious about that, please.

hazy turret
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Did it wake after this and just no messaging or did it retain the sleep post attack?

You swing a somnis longsword at a really huge ratosauraus!
  AS: +28 vs DS: -25 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +19 = +113
   ... and hit for 9 points of damage!
   Slashing strike near forehead nicks an eyelid!
   That must sting!

 ** Your somnis longsword flares with a burst of flame! **
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Minor burns to chest.  That hurts a bit.```

Also, ratosauraus doll in the shop please,
tired estuary
tired estuary
quick walrus
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suddenly my ghezyte weapon doesn't look so shiny anymore ...

tawny bolt
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Common flares have a standard rate of 1 per 5 (20%) for weapons and 1 per 8 (12.5%) for runestaffs.

chrome glen
dark wasp
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Quilic, any chance you'd let us know the difficulty modifiers for greater and lesser? Throw a bone to the spreadsheeters with budgets!

If you're looking for suggestions, I humbly submit... Zero.

tired estuary
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I don't have the difficulty modifiers nailed down yet, but am working on that. I'll share when I have them.

tawny bolt
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Greater transmute certs are so hot right now!

FYI lesser and greater surita were -100 and -250. Ghezyte is -50.

viral osprey
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Okay, if greater is sleep - > attack while asleep ->attack again while asleep -> critter wakes....thats dope

slow wing
dark wasp
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Plus works on undead. Even the lesser version with an option to upgrade later is pretty hot.

still coral
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Oh, one more request also for a TWC example, if it stays asleep through both attacks or if the second attack wakes (my guess is second attack wakes, although you also have double flaring chances)

All in all definitely looking at picking up a lesser version as a long-term project piece, these seem very cool

hazy turret
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meanwhile Estild over here reading the chat and bumping the price up slowly with all the interest...

dense smelt
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It could be just more damage has a higher chance to wake. GS is behind the scenes rolling all the way down

verbal condor
tired estuary
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OK, guys, I'm going to put this out there and then stop with the back and forth for a while:

I've been informed that the "stays asleep after a hit with Greater" isn't intended. We're reviewing, and I will repost when we have all the information nailed down, to include the requested examples.

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Sorry for all the back and forth (That's why I'm stepping away for a bit until I have everything firmly nailed down).

slow wing
brisk galleon
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Does the flare occupy slot B? I assume so, but just want to make sure it’s not an innate material thing like ghezyte

vagrant shuttle
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Slot B should be open, his example has fire flares in B.

tawny bolt
summer saddle
smoky bluff
pine pulsar
sour tide
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Is this metal available as a crossbow?

mint plover
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Not sure if there’s a specific unconscious penalty to avoidance, but prone would be -50% and offensive would be 5%/rank:level for evade and block. Parry formula is ridiculously over complicated for an avoidance calc

silver pivot
still coral
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lullaby definately stances

upbeat hare
silver pivot
# still coral lullaby definately stances

double checked, it can but it isn't guaranteed...at least not to offensive. "light daze" looks like it drops 40% of stance and applies sleep, "deep slumber" is sleep and forced offensive.

sleep (501) is forced offensive on any sleep success (and potentially 20-40% stance and rt on low endrolls without applying sleep)

symbol of sleep is no stance even on massive (400+) results.

UCS has some crits that apply sleep, no clue if they stance or not (and i'd have to actually log onto test for that one as uh...yeah, testing grapple neck isn't exactly as safe as testing 501 😄 ). Headbutt can apply unconscious (not sure if exactly the same as sleep) not sure if it stances at all.

echo plinth
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Interesting item to say the least, though also a bit challenging to see introduced at this stage of how many competing options there are for gear. (Besides UAC, where the competition is much more sparse, but this isn't an option either...) I could at least see replacing my wizard's GEF lightning lor runestaff with this depending on price.

Also, cheers for SSR and the Influence stat!

quick walrus
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what about twc? if your somnis weapon is in main hand, does your offhand attack break the sleep? what about mstrike and assaults?

still coral
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I believe Q is in gather more information since he was told how it's behaving might/is a bug currently, so we'll find more details out after he gets more info

silver pivot
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Not to say, especially depending on price, that i would at all be against it keeping the sleep after the attack that triggers the flare (like a small 0.5 second window where the thing doesn't wake up or something), but if you just ignored the "sleep" part it's a material based flare that can fire pre-swing, prone, and (apparently, pending also double checking on that) put the thing in offensive. If it was released as just a generic effect that assails the target with <insert flavor text here> and forces them into offensive and prone...i don't think anyone would have really much negative to say about that. The keeping asleep seems nice and all but, not really as important.

hazy turret
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I have nothing negative to say- but the sleep portion would affect if I was interested in the lesser variant.
Design wise I don't think they would prefer something that the cheaper/lesser version has mechanical appeal to some players

slate geyser
balmy stream
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Some day, someone will have to sell me on why Naginatas are always on the exceptions list. I get why claidhmores are on there but honestly a lance is much nastier weapon to a naginata.

slate geyser
summer saddle
echo plinth
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Just so I'm making sure I understand this correctly, we can basically reforge superior weapons back into slabs to keep trying for perfects in an endless (albeit extremely lengthy) cycle with a fully unlocked one of these the Fullmetal Crucibles, right?

Edit: Oh, whoops, was in the wrong forum. 😂 Sorry, got confused because the post right above was talking about forging. But thank you!

nimble plank
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but someone said it in the crucible forum thread.

carmine cradle
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It can currently melt:  bronze, copper, imflass, invar, iron, mithril, ora, steel, vultite, drakar, gornar, mithglin, rhimar, zorchar, black ora, eahnor, eonake, faenor, golvern, kelyn, razern, rolaren, vaalorn, veil iron, and white ora.```
The list of metals for the crucible was mentioned and somnis isn't on there.
tired estuary
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Can confirm that somnis is not functional with the crucibles.

upbeat hare
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Did we get a price on ots lesser Smnis?

stray vapor
still coral
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no pricing yet was given, we are still waiting for some mechanical clarifications I think

tired estuary
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We're still working on a few things behind the curtain, but one change I can confirm is that greater somnis armaments will get a second chance to flare as a post-attack flare if the SSR roll is missed.

To put it another way: If you swing at something with a greater somnis weapon and trigger the SSR roll, but the roll fails, then you will get a chance to flare post-hit as long as the actual hit connects. This is intended to alleviate some of the concerns about using the material in ascension/post-cap areas.

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More information to come as I have it

mint plover
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interesting!

dense smelt
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This is inching up the buy list...

viral osprey
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Hmm

brisk galleon
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Yeah that's pretty good

nova torrent
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what's the base AS of it? (read from top to here and didn't see it) Just curious. This is a bit intriguing to me. wonder how much it is going cost off the shelf then turn it to greater. very interesting either way though I have my own plans of dispel flares on the high steel katana as my priority project hehe. Hmm.. any chance to know difficulty of the item too off the shelf? Thank you Quillic ❤️

tired estuary
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All somnis armaments are sold OTS at 3x (+15).

dense smelt
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Brutal. Fair, but brutal lol

hazy turret
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interesting news above. I'm eagerly awaiting information on the post routine portion of the flares and if the lesser variant is more appealing to my usecase than greater.
Is item difficulty still tbd?

echo plinth
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It's not even that brutal since enchanting from +15 to +20 is only 0.53125 weeks of essence, heh.

viral osprey
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Its an SSR roll…huh.

slow wing
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Voln sleep now with more pay options

pine pulsar
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Was making it SSR the only way they could make it hit undead?

viral osprey
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I hope not. Voln Sleeps actual effect isnt that great. Its just spammable

still coral
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Pretty sure I'll be picking up one of these as a long term project piece, seem pretty cool overall, I also like the idea kinda of one for my bard and their weapon putting things to sleep while fighting, has a good ascetic to me

ember rampart
ember rampart
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Will somnis material be limited to this DR, or will it be available at future DR's? Will we get an update if the shop that sells somnis is being discontinued?

tired estuary
tired estuary
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Just noting that the Trapper's Shack will very likely be on a delayed opening schedule. I will have more information, to include timing on the opening, when I have everything finalized.

verbal condor
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Did we get pricing yet, or do we need to wait for the open on that. I don't think this interests me, but it's hard to tell without a price if I should be saving BS.

tired estuary
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Pricing is still being determined, as well as difficulty.

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I'll share both when we have them nailed down, though

still coral
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appreciate the updates, still pondering a spear, a long bow or both as long term project pieces, all in all seems like a pretty neat material

queen parrot
viral osprey
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I don't think so

queen parrot
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I mean if it is an SSR it could easily be right?

tired estuary
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It's not, just to weigh in. 🙂

mint plover
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were we able to confirm if it stances targets?

tired estuary
hazy turret
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pre, post, or both?

tired estuary
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Both. The effect that's being used is the same for pre and post, just with different routes to the same location.

dark wasp
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Did you happen to confirm if the greater effect survives the attack? I think that, difficulty, and price were the last three big questions, and I know difficulty and price are still pending.

tired estuary
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Greater effect will not survive the attack. That was a bug that has been squashed.

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(Unless the attack misses, which can happen)

chrome glen
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And the secondary greater post-flare only happens if the first one doesn't go off at all? No chance of sleep, hit, double-sleep?

tired estuary
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In limited testing on my end, that's handy for fighting level 120 stuff, because I was missing the SSR roll (at level 90) pretty regularly.

dark wasp
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Makes sense, thank you! Complicated for evaluating its value to me, but makes sense.

hazy turret
tired estuary
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Toggles aren't really doable for this, since it's tied solely to the material, and doesn't have a 'script' governing things like that. It's also why there aren't any verb traps.

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But the lesser may still appeal. We're still ironing out some things, and I'll do a full data dump once I'm convinced everything is nailed down.

still coral
sharp grove
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Quilic - if someone was so inclined, can weapons be greater transmuted to this material?

still coral
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Greater transmute can do pretty much any material that something wouldn't conflict/support. And occasionally when they allow it, things that aren't even normally allowed. (for example could greater transmute death metal the first time it came out, and they even allowed brawling weapons which they don't anymore)

I wouldn't assume though that you could greater transmute anything that doesn't have a supported base (such as seems right now UCS and crossbows/short bows aren't supported?)

chrome glen
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Greater Transmute is bordering on Wish. Mania wins obey no laws.

sharp grove
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WTB 2 greater transmutes, so I can turn my 7x, T3 dispel, max unlocked twin short swords into greater somnis >.>

still coral
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np, they are only like 1.2 million bloodscrip each
and you gotta outbid other players and "maybe" one of them goes out per DR

tired estuary
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Please see initial post for pricing information.

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Still probably looking at a slight delay in opening, but nothing too onerous. I'll let you know about timing when I know for sure.

light nacelle
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Thanks sweetie!

tired estuary
chrome glen
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Is the difficulty static or does it change when you upgrade to greater?

light nacelle
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will somnis be available when DR opens?

hazy turret
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literally 2 lines up

tired estuary
light nacelle
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sorry! I typed that while I was up above reading older posts

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So just to see if I'm understanding here- preflare puts them asleep long enough for one attack but wakes them up after the hit. Post flare also can happen with greater but only if the preflare didn't go off?

hazy turret
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and lesser puts them to sleep after the routine- correct? Or is that interaction set still TBD?

dense smelt
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It also puts them in offensive stance. So you get a hit that's offensive stance and prone. If it misses/fails to stick, you get a post flare instead that leaves them offensive and prone for the next hit.

tired estuary
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I'm going to have an update on functionality here soon, just as a heads-up. We're re-instituting the previous effect where a hit with greater somnis will leave the target sleeping through the followup hit. This is going to affect pricing somewhat. Details coming before the open of DR.

carmine cradle
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Kind of liked that price =/

chrome glen
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I just like that the bug got featured. 😆

tired estuary
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OK, I will be updating the original post with this information, but here's where things stand:

  • Will function vs. Undead
  • Greater flares will A) Put the target to sleep, B) Attempt to strike the now-sleeping target (Prone and in offensive stance), and C) Leave the target asleep for the next action
  • -150 difficulty
  • 100k OTS (Lesser), with 150k upgrades available OTS to upgrade to Greater somnis
  • Greater somnis will attempt a post-strike flare if the SSR roll used to calculate the pre-strike hit fails
  • Katanas will have a 25% increase in price over other implements, and will be sold in both Greater and Lesser versions OTS (there will be no upgrade certs for katanas)
hazy turret
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Thanks Q. Appreciate all the diligence behind the scenes.
To confirm, C) Leave the target asleep for the next action also occurs post secondary B/D/Subscript/Sant/etc flares?

tired estuary
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Second chance flare example:

[SSR result: 58 (Open d100: 14)]
You swing a somnis dagger at a really huge ratosauraus!
  AS: +144 vs DS: +127 with AvD: +25 + d100 roll: +78 = +120
   ... and hit for 10 points of damage!
   Minor puncture to the chest.

 ** For a split second, the striations of your  expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the huge ratosauraus, enveloping it entirely and causing it to collapse, fast asleep! **

The huge ratosauraus goes limp as it is rendered unconscious!
Roundtime: 7 sec.```
hazy turret
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not sure if you caught typo of your expand
250 fame please.

tired estuary
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Yep, that's part of what I still have to clean up. No fame for you, since I already noted it!

smoky bluff
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Is C an actual feature? Or inability to close the bug. In other threads, when some GMs touch things that they may not remember, they're quick to call things bugs and 'fix' them. I think it's called giving it the ol'Naijin special

tired estuary
carmine cradle
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Does the difficulty get raised if its greater somnis?

tired estuary
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Difficulty is a static -150

tired estuary
#

Trapper's Shack is likely to open tomorrow morning. A little more cleanup/testing needed, and there's lots going on tonight.

light nacelle
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thanks so much @tired estuary

brisk galleon
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Is it just me or is that ratosauraus really huge???

tight granite
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Yeah what's it going to take to get a ratosauraus appreciation thread? Why aren't more people talking about this?

dense smelt
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I'm not talking about it because I'm still traumatized by the 7s dagger rt

light nacelle
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these out yet?

tired estuary
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They are not. I'll holler far and wide when they go live, but we're inching closer to stable enough for release (so you can all break them for us)

hazy turret
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if you haven't already considered, I'm sure some folks would be interested to know if these will be available for attunement

tired estuary
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I'm a little leery of that for the first run. This is brand new, and until people get time to play with it, break it, and check all the interdependencies, it feels like a good chance for someone to end up with a permanent weapon that they decide isn't quite right for them.

verbal condor
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How about spins/certs at hess for "Greater Somnis Transmute". Should be a lot less pricey since it's only a one option greater? Just throwing that out there.

tired estuary
chrome glen
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Maybe even just some weird premade stuff to auction off. I think I saw somebody suggest some somnis/terror/KO gauntlets. 👀 Maybe a GEF somnis katana or something else weird.

still coral
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I don't think somnis is currently compatible with UCS gear

chrome glen
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Mania obeys no laws!

light nacelle
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Just want to say @tired estuary this is what I'm most excited for! Thank you for the hard work

tired estuary
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If memory serves, there's a morning star on the shelves...

light nacelle
still coral
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hopefully!, the statement we know
Somnis armaments are available in nearly all bases, with the exceptions of UAC gear, Naginatas, and Claidhmores.

And they mentioned runestaff and longbow too even though those normally aren't metal

finite scroll
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Can we make them earrings tho?

tired estuary
still coral
finite scroll
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It's a beautifully described material, so I'm going to ask outright because the alter rules are nebulous at times.

light nacelle
hazy turret
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the real question is longbow, long bow, or yumi

still coral
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but yeah the material reminds me very much of the weapons made from Chameleos in monster hunter, I don't know if that was a reference, or if both that game and Q potentially used the same thing as references for this. (Those weapons are the same color scheme and sleep enemies)

tired estuary
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Current stock:
War mattock
Twohanded sword
Long bow
Main gauche
Longsword
Hook-knife
Hand Crossbow
Morning Star
Lance
Spear
Dagger
Runestaff
Maul
War Hammer

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As we work towards the open, if there are any bases outside of the already-stated exclusions that you'd like to see, I can see what I can do.

dull crystal
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Katar!

dark wasp
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Bastard sword, please!

pine pulsar
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katana

hazy turret
#

From what I believe are popular bases

katar
handaxe
falchion
short sword
katana```
I'm a bit out of touch on desired crossbow varieties.
sharp grove
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@tired estuary short sword, please! Also, you said the sleep will last through the hit if it procs before the attack lands. How will that function with dual wielding? 🙂 Are you able to discuss that?

tired estuary
sharp grove
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I'm excited to find out! I've been working on a set of twin short swords for my warrior, but if you put short swords up in the shop, there is a very good chance I'll be buying them and adding twin to them, and making them my new project set for the warrior

teal kernel
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Why shorties?

sharp grove
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my warrior dual wields shorties. They work well, and are very good for hamstringing. Speaking of - Can the somnis flares trigger off non-basic attacks, like hamstring?

tired estuary
hazy turret
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Q- hand on your D&D Player's Handbook- did you expect this item/material to be this popular or garner this much interest?

chrome glen
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Does the sleep play nicely with assaults and AoEs?

sharp grove
stray vapor
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Somnis question: I get a lesser somnis weapon, add flares + script flares to it. Everything flares at once. Is the enemy asleep at the end, or do the flares wake it up?

tired estuary
tired estuary
stray vapor
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Probably information I need before I'll spend more than $100 on an item :/

still coral
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I may be wrong, but given how 1005 seems to work, I think the "wake up" happens when the attack action starts, which would be the actual attack of the creature. I think flares and such all kinda triggers as part of that overall attack.

Might be able to test with a wizard, go immolate something then sleep it, see if the immolate ticks wake it up

Agree that, knowing if other flares "on the same attack" wake on a greater somnis, or other flares that occur after the somnis flare on lesser somnis wake is important information if that could be tested for us Quilic?

dark wasp
sharp grove
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I'm not sure I'd argue it lessens the impact. You're still getting a pre-strike sleep that is forcing the target into stance o and prone before the attack roll. I'd murder many small kittens to have this effect on a claidhmore, heh

stray vapor
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I'm looking at lesser somnis only for more defensive purposes. The idea of an enemy not being able to follow up seems useful. 250k BS (what is that even in the actual cash) is just too much for me.

dark wasp
chrome glen
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I'm curious how it interacts with maneuvers that fail against prone targets. All I can think of is tackle and twin hammerfists, but I bet there's ones that use weapons.
250k is ah... $600 or so? Try not to think about it.

hazy turret
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For me Jervil, I think it would impact what flares/script I would consider, not so much if I got this item at all or how much I would value it

viral osprey
still coral
# hazy turret For me Jervil, I think it would impact what flares/script I would consider, not ...

yep, agreed, it certainly impacts the project planning at a minimum, course this is partly why we wish we could have some of these on test server or somehow to play with to work out how they work

Hopefully Q and or Dev folks can help answer these questions/post some examples.

Lets see if I can start a list.

Greater Somnis:

  1. Maneuvers that fail if target is prone, Hamstring easiest way to test here. (My guess is that the hamstring will fail, as hamstring fails/doesn't trigger if dispel flare kills the target)
  2. Does dispel flare dispel the sleep on the target, and/or wake the target

Both Lesser/Greater:

  1. What wakes up a target, do flares on the same attack wake a target, do "dots" such as rotflares or immolate wake a target. We can probably test the latter with wizard sleep, in fact I'll go try and test that later with my wizard and sorc.
  2. TWC - does target waken from strike from secondary weapon if flare trigger on the primary weapon. (I again suspect the answer here is yes, but confirmation would be good)

If others have potential things/questions, we should try to compile a list

sharp grove
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It sounds like Quilic is willing to do some testing, and I trust him to give us as much info as possible as soon as he knows 🙂 - Additionally : @still coral if the target wakens from a second strike when using dual weapons. Also curious question if the twin weapon script double strike flare will disrupt the sleep.

hazy turret
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min-maxing is srs business

light nacelle
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Yeah would love to know this stuff as well. I don't want to load this up with post-attack resolution flares if they're just going to undo one of the core benefits of the great weapons

still coral
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added dispel flare interactions too to the testing list, I don't suspect some of these to be easy to answer, because the answer might be "what does it do now, and what is the intent for it to do which is something Q will have to prolly discuss with others"

dark wasp
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Dispel is a good example. For lesser, if other flares wake, you'd want dispel instead of disrupt (for example). I don't know of a script with pre-attack resolution, though if someone does I'd be curious.

tired estuary
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Once it's ready (and I'm done giving timelines aside from soon until I have a firm target), I'll try and recreate some of the stated scenarios, but I can't promise I'll get to all of them. I know it's important for people to be able to make an informed decision, but at some point people will need to just gulp a little bit. Some of the circumstances are... of a low likelihood to crop up regularly.

mint plover
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spore is a pre resolution script

tired estuary
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That said, I'll try and give information relating to the intent, as suggested, to maybe help people wrap their heads around things.

carmine cradle
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I think mutant builds would want greater somnis and warriors and squares lesser. I like the fact that theres a bit of thought behind the 2.

still coral
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I think most things could probably be tested by making a somnis, dispel, rotflare, animalistic weapon, and just swinging at something a bit 🙂

And yes Intent will help a lot, as we'll know what might be unintended interactions or intended and such

sharp grove
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or a set of twin weapon somnis weapons. twin weapons would test the after swing flare, and the random double swing flare, and two weapon effect

hazy turret
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I demand to know how this works with TWC, when the offhand is Thailor's Staff in the off hand when using a MK hamstring that has had a separate script added to it and then the same scenario when used by an animate.
post haste

viral osprey
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While spell cleaving

chrome glen
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Intent is definitely the most important thing. 😆
All we really need to know in each scenario is; do we bug it or tell everybody how rad it is.

ember rampart
viral osprey
light nacelle
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I owned the Roman and Sharu weapons for a while, and I've wanted sleep flares ever since. So exciting!

light nacelle
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looks like no somnis tonight!

ember rampart
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Maybe we should all sleep on it.

sharp grove
light nacelle
light nacelle
#

hrm that was disappointing

light nacelle
#

there we go!

looking-around-maddie.gif
nova torrent
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almost wish i could just buy a cert to turn my high steel blade into one of these and then upgrade it. assuming it would play nice with dispel flares, s6, and ensorcell t5

verbal condor
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Yeah, there needs to be something between No -> Greater Transmute. (and lesser transmute isn't it.)

hazy turret
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I think a better solution there is to realize that people are willing to buy new bases and scripts/materials, but the prospect of starting from scratch is an increasing deterrent on a growing scale, so some kind of swap mechanism, greater transmute or something else, needs to be more readily available and more affordable than the current pricing for greater transmutes

tired estuary
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Just as a note about those sorts of topics - Probably better to create a separate post so that the idea doesn't get lost in here.

unique furnace
still coral
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I don't mean to be "that guy" (but gonna do it anyway lol) and I know that I'm sure you all are working super hard to get these out to us and get us information/clarifications, but are we potentially closer than "soon"? yet 🙂

tired estuary
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We're working on a couple of bugs, and I've had to get some assistance on things. It's coming as soon as we can get it to you, I promise, but I can't offer much more information than that.

still coral
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Thanks for the update, again really really appreciate all the hard work going into this.

light nacelle
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Thanks for the update ❤️

smoky bluff
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Just reading up. Katana is the biggest thing missing. That could have a LOT of sales since it's an unforgable weapon base

upbeat hare
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Gloves are the biggest thing missing. That could have a lot of sales since its not very well represented at DR compared to other things.

jovial sand
#

Someone may have asked, but will there be a katar?

carmine cradle
#

And daggers?

unique furnace
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Daggers were on his original list, katars not. They have been requested a few times over now (including me!), so I expect they would sell!

dark wasp
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Bastard swords were also requested, but I'll put them here again!

hazy turret
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hey Q, any update on some of the requested bases?

tired estuary
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I've put in a request for all of the bases that were suggested, but I haven't received any word yet. I will update when I have something to share there, though!

tight granite
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That'd be great - at this point, I'm not concerned about when the shop opens, but I would like to know if the bases I'm interested in will be available so I can budget/spend accordingly 🙂

tired estuary
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Update: when the shop opens, the following will be added to the wares for sale:

Katana
Handaxe
Falchion
Short Sword
Bastard Sword
Katar
UCS Gauntlets

Please note that the katanas will be sold separately and be 25% more expensive for both lesser and greater. They will not have unlock certificates, but will simply be sold OTS as greater and lesser.

chrome glen
#

sleepymittens

dark wasp
#

As long as we're asking... Claidhmore?

(Seriously though, nice to see a katana offered)

teal kernel
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Knockout somnis gauntlets sounds hilarious actually

balmy stream
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And still the over powered, seriously unbalanced naginata is excluded. I'm happy to see this continue. Gods forbid we unleash that monster into shops. I mean its bad enough that we allow the occasional claidhmore and some katanas. imagine the chaos, mayhem... nay carnage that would ensue if the naginata wasn't kept on the exclusion list.

echo plinth
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contemplates selling ghezyte gloves 🤔

light nacelle
#

any updates on when it will be open?

tired estuary
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Soon, potentially tonight. One last round of testing, then if all is good to go, we'll open it up.

upbeat hare
#

wait...Gauntlets?!

tired estuary
#

Gauntlets indeed

#

Probably not coming tonight, just to keep everyone up to date. Found a small bug (to do with UCS, actually) that we're trying to track down and eliminate.

upbeat hare
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And on this day UCS just stopped working forever more. I kid I am excited.

ornate umbra
#

oh snap gauntlets...i see a greater transmute in my future

tired estuary
# 
You attempt to jab a really huge ratosauraus!
You have excellent positioning against a really huge ratosauraus.
  UAF: 43 vs UDF: 43 = 1.000 * MM: 8 + d100: 100 = 108
  ... and hit for 1 point of damage!
  Weak jab to chest doesn't faze it.

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis gauntlets expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the huge ratosauraus, enveloping it entirely and causing it to collapse, fast asleep! **

The huge ratosauraus goes limp as it is rendered unconscious!
Roundtime: 9 sec.```
rough steppe
ember rampart
#

Okay. Katar it is.

ornate umbra
tired estuary
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They're pushovers. But they do have 999,999 HP, can't be critted, and don't bleed. So they have that going for them.

upbeat hare
#

Oh...so basically a Kenstrom low level invasion critter

tired estuary
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Essentially, yep

hazy turret
#

we really need "test" creatures in prime/FWI

ember rampart
#

This is the lesser version right? It resolved post hit?

verbal condor
tired estuary
#

I don't mean to keep flip-flopping on you guys, but opening is likely to be after this weekend. Still some small things to chase down, but we want it to be as functional as we can make it before we open things up.

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(Actually, I believe it's just one thing left to resolve, but I'm not having much luck chasing it down myself)

honest thunder
#

By the way, does the greater unlock increase the item service difficulty? Planning when to use the cert

tired estuary
#

Difficulty is static

dark wasp
#

Can we talk about your nine second jab RT again? Blink if you need someone to carry all your stuff.

tired estuary
hazy turret
#

how many tries to get that 100 roll?

tired estuary
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Pure happenstance. I just spam the attack until I see the flare go off.

chrome glen
#

Can you really call it spam at nine seconds each..? The 9s jabs, the 100 die roll, the excellent position, the 8 MM, the 108 endroll. So much going on there.

dark wasp
summer saddle
#

I'm reading that as the gloves weigh 308 lbs..... 😇

hazy turret
tired estuary
dark wasp
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Quilic, I know there's been a flood, but I don't think there was an answer on this one: for lesser somnis, will other flares (cat b, script, holy fire) wake the target up on the same swing?

hazy turret
# tired estuary Good call, and updated in both places. Thank ya, sir.

pins not updated 🙂

and I think your last answer confused me again as I'm not sure the difference between lesser and greater now
* Greater flares will A) Put the target to sleep, B) Attempt to strike the now-sleeping target (Prone and in offensive stance), and C) Leave the target asleep for the next action

TBH, when you are done and it's ready to go, I would probably lock this thread and start a new one with the current-to-be-sold info

tired estuary
hazy turret
#

sure thing Q. Code brain is real. Have a good night

still coral
#

we still super appreciate all the hard work to get these out!

stray vapor
#

We wouldn't push if we didn't love the idea.

brittle onyx
#

Just confirming - UCS gauntlets only, correct? No boots?

hazy turret
# 
F5
F5
F5```
abstract chasm
#

😁

tired estuary
#

Just to offer a little bit of insight:

This has been "ready" a few times now, but then we have moved the goalposts. First to make sure that the previous "bug" keeping the target asleep was converted to a "feature". Then to add support for UCS Gauntlets. Each time we've had to be very careful, since the coding of this goes outside the normal practices of other items and materials in game. At present there's one bug that we're attempting to chase down, but I've had to reach out for assistance several times now from people far more experienced with the intricacies of the relevant code, and that of course takes time.

I really appreciate everyone's patience with this, and apologize for the delays, but I do promise that we're very close.

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tldr=RSN

viral osprey
#

Seems wise to be cautious. Last thing folks would want is for the material needing to be dialed back post release because something is ‘too good’

hazy turret
#

I hope you know I'm teasing - not being impatient.

chrome glen
#

Definitely better to break it before release. 😆

pine pulsar
#

Duskruin is really just beta test event for new GS items

upbeat hare
still coral
#

I really appreciate the great communication around all this, also happy about taking the leap to make them work with UCS guantlets.

nova torrent
#

don't reckon it's too late to ask for a certificate or something to turn an item into one of these... but i'm guessing that would require a greater transmute cert that is too rich for my blood heh. Overall I think it's cool though I don't agree with the price for what it does mechanically. Are there plans to make it into a set bonus piece or something of a such or it just going to be "sleepy flare metal"?

still coral
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Never hurts to ask, but as these are a material and not a script it is highly unlikely they would have anything like a set bonus.
They also have put up the Google docs for requests for next time. I recommend putting things like specific material transmuted in those, as requests like that could be missed or forgotten here.

verbal condor
queen parrot
rough steppe
#

We're down to the last week of Duskruin is this thing still being released?

abstract chasm
#

Should be soon.

hazy turret
#

We're not down to the last week

rough steppe
chrome glen
#

Got extended to the 5th.

tired estuary
#

And yes, it's going to be released, just to re-affirm.

verbal condor
dark wasp
odd wind
glacial arrow
#

I think I may be experiencing a bug. I can't seem to find, or get into the shop, that sells Somnis gear. Who do I ping about this? 🙂

pine pulsar
tired estuary
#

The shop isn't open yet. Soon!

hazy turret
#

Are we not going to address the real question here? Q's Aura thumbnail has me very intrigued

tired estuary
tight granite
round leaf
#

I know!

balmy stream
#

You choose wisely.

cosmic zinc
#

Nap time?

wind bridge
#

Perhaps the Trapper will open their shop today? 🙏

verbal condor
glacial arrow
still coral
#

everytime I see this post have new messages I get slightly excited, then disappointed again haha

glacial arrow
#

Or high steel, or low steel, or ghezete

nova torrent
#

kroderine too

delicate egret
#

Any news on this? I am in a holding pattern when it comes to trying to get more bloodscrip. Is this coming out this duskruin for sure?

ornate umbra
#

can we at least greater transmute to it if not?

still coral
#

Highly likely can greater transmute to it, but there's probably only one of those at the auction, and it's typically very expensive.

slow wing
#

#platlyfe

last two "only" went for 1.5m in prime

carmine cradle
#

Last 2 went for 200k in plat
Woops, that was a previous run.
Last time we had 1 for 250k

onyx hearth
#

Well looks like a couple will be in mania.

clever bear
#

It will be out this run.

vast delta
#

The event will just be extended to May. 🏃‍♂️

clever bear
#

No.

light nacelle
#

Maybe they're coming out tonight! 😁

pine pulsar
#

You have won this auction for pair of somnis studded handwraps with a bid of 1150499 bloodscrip. An attendant quickly comes to take your bloodscript and hands you a hastily scribbled note.

look at note
The note has a sketch of a sleeping rolton with letters I.O.U. written in bold print
(Sorry, ill conceived joke... not real)

light nacelle
#

hahahaha really?

halcyon badger
rough steppe
#

I hear ChatGPT can be used for fixing bugs, just an idea.

tired estuary
#

Shop will very likely be open tonight. I had to pass this up the chain to folks who are a LOT more conversant with the intricacies of the relevant scripts, but we should be good to go to open up tonight.

cosmic zinc
#

I was guessing it would be open after the auction, since there's a somnis item up for bid.

tired estuary
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Hey all. We're going to be opening here shortly, but wanted to make a couple things clear beforehand:

  • Katanas are coming, but not in stock yet. This is because they have a different price point than the other items, and I want to avoid any confusion, so am trying to figure out the best approach there.

  • There is a known bug that remains with greater somnis runestaves, but we're working on it. Specifically, a greater somnis runestaff triggering off a warding spell to do damage will not always keep the target asleep. The intent is absolutely to keep the target asleep after that immediate followup strike (the same as other greater somnis), but for now that functionality is spotty. We're working on it, though.

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(Bolt spells are fine, and work as intended)

delicate egret
#

Anyone know what the map room number will be?

still coral
#

I would advise, when you open, Do a new thread with your full list of info on everything

Also super appreciate all the work you've obviously done to get these out to us, thanks Quilic, and please pass on my thanks to any others helping with them!

tired estuary
#

The "real ID" for the entrance will be 8214536, if that helps

hazy turret
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Q, if not a new thread would you mind re-summarizing the item and costs? I'm still a bit unsure about greater vs lesser differences

That would be lich: 26861

tired estuary
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100k for everything but katanas OTS (lesser), 150k for the upgrade tag to convert to greater

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I'm holding off doing a new thread for now since I want to get this open ASAP for you all.

nimble plank
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is ready

tired estuary
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This is now open

stark folio
vast delta
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;go2 [Trapper's Shack - 33364] (u8212843)

delicate egret
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Can't attune them?

tired estuary
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No attunement this time around

lunar pumice
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UCS isn’t working on undead now, chat ongoing in #mechanics - in case that’s related to somnis stuff behind the scenes

tired estuary
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Another note: Somnis UCS Gauntlets caused a gamewide issue with undead, so we've rolled the support for them back out. They WILL function, just later tonight when we get it ironed out.

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Was more important to get the rest of the game fixed first!

sharp grove
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@tired estuary sorry to ping, but could you shift your attention to plat real quick, just something you might wanna know, not sure

rough steppe
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Just an FYI on the bloodstained tag is says if you item is unaltered than the descript will change to greater. That didn't happen with mine

tired estuary
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Yep, that's a bug, and I'm fixing it.

sharp grove
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Sorry about the annoying series of messages Quilic! thank you for the awesome weapons!

light nacelle
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So can someone confirm- it's 250k for a greater right?

still coral
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for everything but katana, katana well be higher, but they are working on that

tired estuary
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Correct. 250k greater for everything but katanas. Katanas are likely to be stocked in two separate containers, one with a lesser, one with a greater, and we'll hope that the price difference keeps people from making mistakes.

tired estuary
still coral
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will katana's not work with the upgrade certs?

tired estuary
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They will, but the different price points make it troublesome. The certs are a flat price, but the cost of upgrade on katanas is 25% higher.

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Ideally I'd plop them into their own room/alcove/whatever, and maybe we'll do that in August, but for now we'll figure out a duct-tape solution.

light nacelle
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Thank you SO much for all of the hard work on these

tired estuary
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I can't take all the credit, as I had a LOT of support from the Dev side of things as we got through the process, but I'm very glad that you guys are (so far) appreciating them. Still a few more bugs to iron out, for which I apologize, but we'll get them up to date ASAP.

light nacelle
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Don't apologize for making something amazing lots of people will enjoy

tranquil kernel
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Somnis UCS is now functional.

hazy turret
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Q, can you lay out what's supposed to happen with Greater and post flares? I'm seeing it sleep but then wake on attack, is that expected?

The triton fanatic goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

The arrow sticks in a triton fanatic's neck!
Upon firing your last arrow, you release a measured breath and lower your somnis long bow.
Your satisfying display of dexterity bolsters you and inspires those around you!
You feel a fair amount more dextrous.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>
A triton fanatic breathes quietly in his sleep, his small nostrils flaring periodically.
>fire 
With lightning fast reflexes, you reach toward the golvern quiver strapped to your thigh and draw out a glowbark arrow fletched with storm grey feathers, nocking it in your somnis long bow.
A triton fanatic is awakened by your attack!
[SSR result: 109 (Open d100: 50)]

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis long bow expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the triton fanatic, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
The triton fanatic goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!```
delicate egret
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What flare slot is the somnis flare taking up?

hazy turret
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material

still coral
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material only, so ability and script/subscript all free

tranquil kernel
# hazy turret Q, can you lay out what's supposed to happen with Greater and post flares? I'm s...

That's working correctly. When it flares preattack, the same attack does not wake it. e.g.

The triton fanatic goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

The arrow sticks in a triton fanatic's neck!
Upon firing your last arrow, you release a measured breath and lower your somnis long bow.
Your satisfying display of dexterity bolsters you and inspires those around you!
You feel a fair amount more dextrous.
Roundtime: 2 sec.```
It was put to sleep and your attack still resolved without waking it.  You then get a second attack, which wakes the target, but it's still at a disadvantage.
hazy turret
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it's still at a disadvantage can you clarify what this means mechanically?
C) Leave the target asleep for the next action trying to understand
Can they deflect with a shield, spit acid, parting shot, in offensive stance, etc?

tranquil kernel
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On the ground and in offensive stance. It's the same as Sleep (501).

abstract chasm
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Does that flare work on undead as well?

tranquil kernel
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Yes.

ember rampart
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What's the room number for somnis?

hazy turret
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26861

rough steppe
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You nock a faewood arrow in your somnis long bow.
[SSR result: 70 (Open d100: 49)]
You take aim and fire a faewood arrow at a lesser vruul!
The arrow strikes true, but the lesser vruul shrugs off some of the damage!
AS: +295 vs DS: +187 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +3 = +141
... and hit for 13 points of damage!
Minor strike under the right eye, that was close!
An earthy, sweet aroma wafts from a lesser vruul in a murky haze.
Vital energy infuses you, hastening your arcane reflexes!

** For a split second, the striations of your somnis long bow expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the lesser vruul, enveloping it entirely and causing it to collapse, fast asleep! **

The arrow breaks into tiny fragments.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
A lesser vruul gestures at you!
CS: +205 - TD: +213 + CvA: +2 + d100: +56 - -5 == +55
Warded off!
R>

That Vruul didn't stay asleep after the flare

balmy stream
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Is it supposed to work versus undead? "Sleep" I know my wizards sleep spell wont work on undead.

rough steppe
balmy stream
tranquil kernel
rough steppe
tranquil kernel
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There shouldn't really be a case where you see the messaging and the target isn't eligible.

cunning rune
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How does the flare rate work with somnis?
Lesser Somnis -> You hit them, it flares, leaves them asleep for next attack. I assume 1/4 or 1/7 flare rate.
Greater Somnis -> Pre-flare sleep, if no pre-flare, chance to post-flare. If I remember correctly.
Does greater have 2 separate flare chances? Like it could flare more than 25% of the time/

still coral
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greater can only post flare if it fails the SSR pre-flare I believe is how it works

tranquil kernel
hazy turret
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I think this would be an example of what Estild is saying

  AS: +461 vs DS: +268 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +42 = +273
   ... and hit for 45 points of damage!
   Feint to the left goes astray as the triton fanatic dodges!
   You scratch my back...

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis long bow expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the triton fanatic, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
The triton fanatic goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!
ember rampart
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For somnis longbow, do the flares work on volley?

latent dove
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Can the flare happen when using spells like 410?

vast delta
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Flares don't happen on AoE I believe.

teal kernel
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They typically can, if you aren't using OPEN, But only on the first target

hazy turret
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here's a flare on barrage

[SMR result: 164 (Open d100: 81, Bonus: 9)]
Nocking another arrow to your bowstring, you swiftly draw back and loose again!
With lightning fast reflexes, you reach toward the golvern quiver strapped to your thigh and draw out a glowbark arrow fletched with storm grey feathers, nocking it in your somnis long bow.
  AS: +463 vs DS: +274 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +67 = +294
   ... and hit for 49 points of damage!
   Strike pierces gall bladder!
  That's gotta hurt!
An earthy, sweet aroma clings to a triton fanatic in a murky haze, accompanied by soot brown specks of leaf mold.
Vital energy infuses you, hastening your arcane reflexes!
The arrow sticks in a triton fanatic's abdomen!
Roundtime: 3 sec.
A triton fanatic swings a corroded bronze Hammer of Kai at you!
  AS: +450 vs DS: +504 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +48 = +23
   A clean miss.
A flickering triton warden makes a subtle gesture, drawing traces of faint blue-green light into his webbed hands.
[SMR result: 107 (Open d100: 19, Bonus: 13)]
Nocking another arrow to your bowstring, you swiftly draw back and loose again!
With lightning fast reflexes, you reach toward the golvern quiver strapped to your thigh and draw out a glowbark arrow fletched with storm grey feathers, nocking it in your somnis long bow.
[SSR result: 249 (Open d100: 160)]

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis long bow expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the triton fanatic, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
The triton fanatic goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

  AS: +463 vs DS: +217 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +96 = +380
   ... and hit for 67 points of damage!
   Strike pierces forearm!
The arrow sticks in a triton fanatic's left arm!
Upon firing your last arrow, you release a measured breath and lower your somnis long bow.
Your satisfying display of dexterity bolsters you and inspires those around you!
You feel a fair amount more dextrous.
Roundtime: 2 sec.```
ember rampart
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Barrage makes sense. Volley has had weird flare interactions in the past -- so curious specifically.

cunning rune
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One of these days, when barrage is fixed, it'll be nice to get 2 flares in a 6 round barrage.

hazy turret
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I'm not seeing any flares on Volley

ember rampart
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Thanks Rin.

cunning rune
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Not seeing ghezyte flares on volley, would have to check logs if it ever did though. I do see cat b, cat d, and sub script flares.

dark wasp
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Ok, so it sounds like lesser somnis with a cat B flare could material flare, then lightning flare, which would wake it up, but it would still be on the ground in offensive. Has anybody played with that, for example with holy water?

hazy turret
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A favorable tailwind springs up behind you.
[SSR result: 131 (Open d100: 21)]

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis long bow expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the triton protector, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **

You take aim and fire a glowbark arrow at a spectral triton protector!
  AS: +498 vs DS: +220 with AvD: +20 + d100 roll: +41 = +339
   ... and hit for 54 points of damage!
   Decent shot to the right eye would have blinded a normal foe!
The earthy, sweet aroma clinging to a spectral triton protector grows more pervasive.
Vital energy infuses you, hastening your arcane reflexes!

 ** Your somnis long bow sprays forth a shower of pure water! **
   ... 15 points of damage!
   The triton protector fades for a second as the blow passes through the chest.
The arrow streaks into a spectral triton protector's right eye and off into the distance.
Roundtime: 2 sec.```
delicate egret
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Anyone tried adding flares with the Greater somnis? Do the flares wake the mob up?

lunar pumice
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Doesn’t look like the holy water flare in Rinualdo’s example woke the mob up

dark wasp
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Yeah, Rinualdo's example was greater rather than lesser, but it was enough to make me bite. Project spear!

still coral
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yeah gonna be a while before I have flares added to this, and probably will put dispel on it, for some fun double-preflare action

verbal condor
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I'm gonna wait til you all get tired of them and buy one of your projects.

ember rampart
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When the player services are done slightly out of order, necessitating an abandoned project. 😜

silver pivot
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<slaps roof of trapper's shack> this bad boy can crank out so many Ronan and Sheru alts.

tired estuary
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Katanas have been added to the trapper's shack:

There is a shabby oak case with a LESSER somnis katana in it, and a polished mahogany shelf with a GREATER somnis katana on it. The greater somnis one appears as "a gleaming somnis katana", which makes it the only weapon that has any "extras" in the name.

Katana in the case: 125,000 bloodscrip
Katana on the shelf: 312,500 bloodscrip

ember rampart
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To confirm Quilic, katanas cannot be upgraded later? What you buy OTS is what it is?

tired estuary
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Correct, but only for this run. Next run we'll have upgrade options available, so if you buy "lesser", you're stuck with it that way until August, but then you'll be able to upgrade.

sharp grove
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has anyone tested to see if greater works with dual wielding? if the first weapon flares does the second strike wake them? If not, i can in a bit.

still coral
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second weapon is gonna wake, as it's counted as two seperate strikes
but it will be prone and in offensive for that second strike when it lands so...

To Nisurgi below: I don't know why... but you gave me a horrible, but funny image of a crazy murderer with two somnis daggers stabbing something a million times as it sleeps wakes in horror sleeps again over and over with "Mr Sandman" playing in the background

cunning rune
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You should twc mstrike and see how many times you can put them to sleep

light nacelle
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So one thing I'm noticing is that I don't ever see any messaging about them waking up. So if attack once with my greater and put them to sleep but don't kill them, my second attack (not weapon- actual second attack) goes through without anything indicating they're now awake for being hit

midnight lion
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wonder how a fighting knife script stuck on a somnis dagger would do

light nacelle
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** For a split second, the striations of your somnis morning star expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the orc champion, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **
The orc champion goes limp as she is rendered unconscious!

You swing a somnis morning star at a half-frozen orc champion!
AS: +703 vs DS: +520 with AvD: +28 + d100 roll: +43 = +254
... and hit for 61 points of damage!
Impressive shot shatters wrist!
You feel the unnatural surge of necrotic power wane away.
You swing a shimmering silver dhara at a half-frozen orc champion!
AS: +677 vs DS: +520 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +2 = +188
... and hit for 43 points of damage!
Whoosh! Several ribs driven into lungs.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
R>
[Vishra-duskattack]>attack
A half-frozen orc champion is awakened by your attack!
You swing a somnis morning star at a half-frozen orc champion!
AS: +678 vs DS: +520 with AvD: +28 + d100 roll: +86 = +272
... and hit for 74 points of damage!
Well placed strike shatters a rib!
You swing a shimmering silver dhara at a half-frozen orc champion!
AS: +677 vs DS: +520 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +61 = +247
... and hit for 88 points of damage!
Blow to stomach rearranges some organs!
(is it weird to anyone else that the DS was identical when asleep and when awake?)

teal kernel
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Was it already prone? Sleep itself does not infer any specific DS penalty, only the prone

verbal condor
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Is it sleep that moves the DS, or the prone/stance?

still coral
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Somnis Sleep just does prone + offensive

And the not waking, "might" be unintended, but if it is, then yeah that's really sweet for TWC

sharp grove
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oh nice! so they don't wake up on the off hand attack

mint plover
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That clip looks right to me

light nacelle
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So "waking up" really just means able to switch stance and stand back up, correct?

still coral
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yes, before it wakes it basically can't take any actions, so no spells or manuever chances and such

cunning rune
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A half-frozen orc champion is awakened by your attack!
You mean this message?
But your second weapon, did not indicate it woke them. Does this mean TWC with greater somnis does not wake them for both hands on the first attack?

sharp grove
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it does seem that way Nisugi, which makes me happy!

light nacelle
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That has been my experience, yes

teal kernel
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That's a very nice boon

brisk galleon
light nacelle
silver pivot
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<pushes up glasses> it’s an SSR roll.

nimble plank
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(the shop has been updated on the wiki to show the katana inventory)

cunning rune
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I saw shop and updated and thought this was the spellbound forume

sharp grove
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@tired estuary sorry again for the direct ping. I only looked at the weapons I was interested in when you opened the shop that night. Apparently several more of the weapons are priced incorrectly in plat.

unique obsidian
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his there, I'm kind of concerned about the somnis flares. This is a clip of an attack against a creature that is 12 levels under the character. Seems like the chance for the SSR is pretty low. ```kill
[SSR result: 68 (Open d100: 12)]
You swing a somnis dagger at a lesser orc!
AS: +125 vs DS: +54 with AvD: +15 + d100 roll: +30 = +116
... and hit for 2 points of damage!
Poked in the tummy.
Hehehe.

** For a split second, the striations of your somnis dagger expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the lesser orc, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
The lesser orc goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

Roundtime: 2 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.```

Here is one against a like level mob ```
You leap from hiding to attack!
[SSR result: 75 (Open d100: 52)]
You swing a somnis dagger at a Grimswarm orc ranger!
AS: +223 vs DS: +1 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +17 = +261
... and hit for 62 points of damage!
Deft strike to abdomen penetrates several useful organs!

** For a split second, the striations of your somnis dagger expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the orc ranger, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
The orc ranger goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

Roundtime: 2 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.```

It really seems like the SSR roll is rarely going to work against like level targets.

sharp grove
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thanks for posting that Kiel. I'm interested to see what Quilic will say - as it does seem low for sure.

unique obsidian
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my bad, I had no idea it was tied to some stats

sharp grove
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if influence effects the flares that heavily, I'm gonna be a bit disappointed 😦

unique obsidian
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[SSR result: 190 (Open d100: 64)]

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis dagger expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the siren, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **
The siren goes limp as she is rendered unconscious!

You swing a somnis dagger at a siren!
  AS: +197 vs DS: +468 with AvD: +25 + d100 roll: +9 = -237
   A clean miss.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.
R>```
light nacelle
unique obsidian
light nacelle
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by how much?

unique obsidian
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60 points. Two different characters, but then I changed stats for influence and set it for 85 and had similar results.

dull crystal
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Burned by my tank stat yet again!

tranquil kernel
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I think we might switch it to SMR.

dark wasp
silver pivot
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does it have a "society rank" equivalent similar to voln/gos stuff that's boosting it or is it just base SSR skill?

still coral
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Fine with it going to SMR but I hope it maintains it's effectiveness, I do kinda like the fact that it scales off influence currently, gives more use for the stat. And yeah it doesn't have any society rank I don't think, but lots of testing showed that influence had a HUGE effect on it, going from like -5 to +10 was a change of like +60 to the roll.

rough steppe
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Influence is my tanked stat as well, at the moment it looks like the greater flare seems to trigger once in every 4 or 5 flares. the secondary flares were triggering so often I thought maybe the Greater Somnis name bug got fixed and mine got rolled back to lesser. Anyhow as it currently stand the Somnis weapons are awesome but in hindsight the 150k BS to upgrade to Greater might be better spent towards other upgrades like dispel flares.

unique obsidian
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I just wish I’d gone short sword instead of dagger. But overall, with the change to influence, I’m in love with the material. And to be honest, I actually like that it’s based on influence

still coral
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If you haven't serviced it you could refund and switch for a slight fee

topaz nacelle
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I’d appreciate if we could get the decision on the SSR > SMR switch prior to HESS closing 😄

light nacelle
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What are people doing with their somnis weapons? Can't really figure out how I want to upgrade mine

verbal condor
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I'm waiting for people to do that in a way they don't like so I can buy one at a steep discount.

still coral
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mine is gonna be kinda a longterm project piece for now, so working on S6 then some enchant and ensorcell, I'll worry about a script add or such later

delicate egret
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Anyone have an idea on how much difficulty would be added if dispel flare was put on Somnis?

hazy turret
unique obsidian
teal kernel
finite scroll
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Is there a gear score difference between lesser and greater somnis?

tired estuary
unique obsidian
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Will the flares work with Volley?

ember rampart
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Does not sound like it. Rin tested.

unique obsidian
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Thanks

hazy turret
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Shoudn't the sleep not overwrite the stun here?

Drawing several arrows from your quiver, you grip them loosely between your fingers in preparation for a rapid barrage.
[SMR result: 128 (Open d100: 47)]
Nocking another arrow to your bowstring, you swiftly draw back and loose again!
With lightning fast reflexes, you reach toward the golvern quiver strapped to your thigh and draw out a glowbark arrow fletched with storm grey feathers, nocking it in your somnis long bow.
[SSR result: 159 (Open d100: 82)]

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis long bow expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the triton warden, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **
The triton warden goes limp as she is rendered unconscious!

  AS: +461 vs DS: +310 with AvD: +23 + d100 roll: +38 = +212
   ... and hit for 64 points of damage!
   Well placed strike to back shatters vertebrae!
   The triton warden is stunned!
The arrow sticks in a triton warden's back!
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
A triton warden is awakened by your attack!
[SMR result: 125 (Open d100: -19, Bonus: 61)]
Nocking another arrow to your bowstring, you swiftly draw back and loose again!
With lightning fast reflexes, you reach toward the golvern quiver strapped to your thigh and draw out a glowbark arrow fletched with storm grey feathers, nocking it in your somnis long bow.
The thorny barrier surrounding the triton warden blocks your attack!
One of the vines surrounding the triton warden lashes out at you, driving a thorn into your skin!  You feel poison coursing through your veins.
The arrow streaks off into the distance!
Upon firing your last arrow, you release a measured breath and lower your somnis long bow.
Your satisfying display of dexterity bolsters you and inspires those around you!
You feel a fair amount more dextrous.
Roundtime: 2 sec.```
sharp grove
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It was wakened by the second shot that started with : Nocking another arrow to your bowstring, you swiftly draw back and loose again! Sleep triggered, then shot hit, second shot triggered, awakened triton, then pre-sleep SMR rolled and missed, then shot fired, and it was blocked by barrier. Thats how I'm reading it. No wait, the second SMR hit, not sure why it was not put to sleep again.

hazy turret
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It was the same action from one shot of barrage, and it was stunnd, so being awoken nullified the stun

sharp grove
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the clip you're showing does not show any info on the stun being removed? Does being stunned prevent thorn barrier from working or something?

unique obsidian
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is that the minor version?

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strange, when I'm attacking with a greater somnis weapon, it never wakes them up

sharp grove
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@unique obsidian it's because he's using a multi-strike attack that is not dual wielding.

unique obsidian
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ok, I tend to just use 1 weapon with celerity. really hate the 5 minute timer

unique obsidian
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If you have a Runestaff version with the greater Somnis, does casting spells wake them up once they've been put to sleep?

finite scroll
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Your hands glow with power as you invoke the phrase for Minor Water...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at an ethereal peasant.
[SSR result: 248 (Open d100: 153)]

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis runestaff expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the ethereal peasant, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **
The ethereal peasant goes limp as she is rendered unconscious!

You hurl a seething blast of steam at an ethereal peasant!
  AS: +476 vs DS: +222 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +12 = +288
   ... and hit for 76 points of damage!
   Smash to the chest!
   Good thing there were no ribs there to shatter.
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.

[bigshot]>incant 903 

Your hands glow with power as you invoke the phrase for Minor Water...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at an ethereal peasant.
An ethereal peasant is awakened by your attack!
All of a sudden, an ethereal peasant rises quickly to her feet.
You hurl a seething blast of steam at an ethereal peasant!
  AS: +481 vs DS: +260 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +14 = +257
   ... and hit for 52 points of damage!
   The ethereal peasant glares maliciously as the strike slides through its left hand.
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.
unique obsidian
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ahh, too bad, thank you

unique obsidian
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I was thinking a cleric of Ronan would make for awesomeness with one.

lunar pumice
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Or Sheru. You're just putting them to sleep, who's to say if it's a dream or a nightmare

quick walrus
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i haven't been following the discussion here. for greater somnis, which of your attacks wake the creature in the same round? normal attacks? mstrike? dual wield? assaults?

unique obsidian
sharp grove
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magic attacks don't wake them on the same attack with greater

unique obsidian
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You swing a somnis short sword at a Grimswarm orc barbarian!
  AS: +215 vs DS: +74 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +80 = +254
   ... and hit for 67 points of damage!
   Blow ruptures the stomach!

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis short sword expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the orc barbarian, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
The orc barbarian goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

You swing a deep black rune-etched sword at a Grimswarm orc barbarian!
  AS: +225 vs DS: +22 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +92 = +328
   ... and hit for 85 points of damage!
   Left hand severed at the wrist!
   The barbarian's wooden shield falls to the ground.

 ** A coil of spectral bluish-green energy bursts out of thin air and strikes the orc barbarian! **
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Eyebrow and eyelashes of left eye melted off.
   Trendy!
Roundtime: 4 sec.
Roundtime changed to 2 seconds.```
wheat owl
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Hey, Quilic, could you add the gauntlets in Shattered? There's a bunch of us that want to try them out! (Well, at least two of us.) That'd be great if you can.

sly acorn
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also the katar's as well

tired estuary
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Yep. I'll get those added this morning for you guys.

unique obsidian
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Somnis is my new favorite flare. Absolutely love them

mild meadow
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Is somnis flares intended to not proc from ranged volley attack?

still coral
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I don't believe volley triggers material-based effects, it also doesn't trigger pre-attack stuff like dispel flares, it's more of a volley thing than a somnis thing, same thing with ghezyte

mild meadow
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thanks for the insight!

deft quiver
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Were there any plans for somnis boots to match the gloves and complete the set?

inland radish
# tired estuary Yep. I'll get those added this morning for you guys.

Are there a limited number? (Shattered)

l on display
On the weapons display you see a somnis maul, a somnis runestaff, a somnis dagger, a somnis spear, a somnis lance, a somnis morning star, a somnis hand crossbow, a somnis hook-knife, a somnis longsword, a somnis main gauche, a somnis long bow, a somnis twohanded sword and a somnis war mattock.

Also - I don't see the katanas

Prices are different than in the wiki too. 350k instead of 150k for the tag, 50k instead of 100k for the weapons

inland radish
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Fixed! Thanks! You rock

wheat owl
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Thanks, Q! Got my gauntlets. 🎉

solar isle
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anyone using the greater handwraps on a monk? thoughts?

worth going greater over lesser?

tired estuary
# 
20 Weapons sold
Longbow was the most popular, with six sold
9 Tags sold (to upgrade to greater somnis)
Total scrip: 3.35m

Plat:
9 Weapons sold
Gauntlets were the most popular, with four sold
8 Tags sold (to upgrade to greater somnis)
Total scrip: 555,000

Shattered:
12 Weapons sold
Gauntlets were the most popular, with five sold
12 Tags sold (to upgrade to greater somnis)
Total scrip: 750,000

Total scrip generated in the Trapper's Shack: 4.655m```
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Plus there were a couple others that made their way into the world.

deft quiver
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I woulda bought the gloves if there was matching boots 😦

dark wasp
verbal condor
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If there were a path aside from grater transmute to this material, I'd probably buy like 4 of them.

tired estuary
# dark wasp This looks great, and I'm excited about my spear. Do you feel like sharing how t...

I honestly didn't have much in the way of expectations at release. It's hard to predict how well something will be regarded (and when I started out and tried, I was always WAY off). Generally speaking, I make things that sound fun to me, and hope that it works for you guys as well.

I was a little surprised at a couple of factors: Several of the weapon bases that were specifically requested, and usually with multiple people agreeing, got zero sales. And then there was the fact that the longbows beat out both the hand crossbows AND the gauntlets, both of which I would have guessed would be more popular.

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Still, overall the feedback has been pretty positive, and people seem pleased, which is the best I could have hoped for.

dark wasp
lunar pumice
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I think getting takers on new base pieces is going to get harder over time as more and more people feel "done" with their gear. I'm very interested in the idea of greater somnis gauntlets, but not if it means relegating my current handwraps that I've been building for many years into a locker or re-selling for peanuts. Just speaking for me, that's the biggest factor. The absence of a meaningful secondary market for gear. I know that's not your problem to solve, either, just putting it forth as a reason some people might not have pulled the trigger despite expressing interest

tired estuary
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(Some of those I realize are less desirable bases mechanically. I deliberately wanted to overstock just in case)

tired estuary
dark wasp
tired estuary
summer saddle
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I would guess that a lot of folk making requests, esp early on, were expecting/hoping for these to be less than 100k... where they ended up being priced is a lot for an average player to acquire in a single run.

nova torrent
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personally, it was the pricing for what it did that is why i didn't get one. to me, that initial 100k is better spent on 3 tiers of dispel flares with 10k scrip leftover. with the shop opening up late and the budget already spent, I made the choice to just get what I knew I wanted for the prices being offered on it. That said, I would love to see this metal (if possible) to be a possible forge slab to craft something from it but I dont think that would be possible since the metal has the greater unlock associated with it. But I can dream and wish right? 😉

ember rampart
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The longbow sales numbers make some sense to me. The only materials that can really compete with this are ghezyte and firewheel. This is a strong contender for best in base material.

Because somnis doesn’t flare on volley — hand crossbows seem less attractive to me. It seems to me most people using hand crossbows are using it for crowd control, and not too many folks use it exclusively for hunting (and if they are they probably have uber hand crossbows). And if somnis doesn’t help with crowd control, it’s a harder sell for me. If this material flared on volley, I bet this number would go up.

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I purchased a katar right when they were released and after about an hour wanted to switch bases, but had to eat a 10k return charge on trying to make an exchange, so didn’t end up getting one after that.

vast delta
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I think gauntlets could be fun, but I don't use UCS on anyone.

ember rampart
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Yeah, I wish I could have one ghezyte gauntlet and one somnis gauntlet. And split flare rate between them.

verbal condor
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I'm sure the late opening hurt sales, as people spent BS on other things.

silver pivot
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i don't know that 20 of a new project that's going to costs what... 500k to start (material + script add) among all the other normal project costs, is too bad really. Plus it is kinda (i think substantially better, but in the same vein) competing with Ghezyte that a number of people already bought in for this purpose at, is all that bad. I don't think it's a coincidence the non-forging combat styles (ranged / ucs) got the most sales here.

as someone who was planning on buying people's regret somnis after the fact, i'm sad 2 weeks of most of the server nitpicking every niche implementation detail and potential gear permutation and how they work didn't translate into more sales (but not surprised :D)

hazy turret
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+script unlocks +flare
I'm one who purchased a long bow and I'm very happy with it.
No competition for Xaz made the long bow quite appealing to me. I wish it functioned better with some ranged techniques, but that's not a somnis issue and can see what it wouldn't be a dev priority, even if they don't think it's an issue.
There becomes a project cost point where the actual material is relatively minor to overall completed project, so the extra 250k for Xaz makes a lot more sense to me if I was doing a katar, maul, etc. Dual wielding a xaz/somnis weapon could be an interesting combo to cover a variety of creatures now and future.
All told, I'm glad to see more reliably available (eg, not a single merchant at a once a year event) material base available. I'm happy to see it.

still coral
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yeah I picked up a spear as a long-term project weapon as I had been looking for one to work on potentially for a while for my paladin and/or bard, and this fits the both their playstyles and looks like a fun long-term piece to work on, so far when i've just played around with it I think I'm gonna be pretty happy with it long term

unique obsidian
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In the end, I went with a shortsword. It fits perfectly in my rogues sylvankind skin sheath.

teal kernel
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If I could add somnis to existing gear I totally would, but it’s too much to invest for an alt project piece and I’m not starting fresh 😬

ember rampart
nova torrent
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wonder if you can make a "lesser/greater somnis relic" similar to how the coraesine relic is to add the somnis effect the weapon regardless of the metal the weapon itself is made of and let it take up the D slot? bet that would go for a lot.

dark wasp
still coral
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ehh, I think somnis as-is as a material effect would not be competitive vs existing scripts that are out there

I too would like to see some more specific targeted transmute options, but they seem to be fairly tricky, so I don't really suspect we'll see that in the future outside of maybe some auction stuff, I think though with some of the new SK options that happened at the last mania though, that there could be some room for "transmute a weapon to somnis" type things which would most likely go for less than greater transmute, but it still won't be affordable to most or available to most even then

nova torrent
teal kernel
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Coraesine relic is a script

brisk galleon
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It takes up the D slot

dark wasp
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Garbage. Trash. You may as well give me yours and just be rid of it.

nova torrent
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just out of curiosity - are there plans to make Somnis armor? or is that not possible with lore of how it works?

silver pivot
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you wear the armor and you turn into sleeping beauty, never waking up until someone can remove it from you. or they are your true love and they kiss you, deeply.

dark wasp
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It's the slightly less severe version of, "Forging armor from low steel is not advisable."

tropic niche
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But I need my naptime somnis helmet.

unique obsidian
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Sleepytime. Henceforth and ever more, this shall be known as Sleepytime flares.

Carry on. 🤣

solar isle
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WTB Xaz Armor

mossy thunder
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by contrast with death metal, somnis should be called dream pop

dense smelt
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While I hate that, I can't argue that it sounds right somehow....

summer saddle
dense smelt
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Try Aqua instead

light nacelle
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Has anyone else noticed their somnis weapon attacking them?

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incant 1614
Your emerald ring pulses with ominous dark power as you invoke Aura of the Arkati with an upstretched arm, commanding one and all to bow to Ivas!
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
[SSR result: 179 (Open d100: 112)]

** For a split second, the striations of your somnis morning star expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards Vishra, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **

** For a split second, the striations of Vishra's somnis morning star expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards you, enveloping you entirely and causing you to slump to the ground in an unconscious heap! **
Vishra goes limp as she is rendered unconscious!

tropic niche
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Ahahaha

unique obsidian
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thats a negative ghost rider

tired estuary
teal kernel
light nacelle
unique obsidian
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It’s just trying to protect you from you.

deft quiver
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@tired estuary will there ever be somnis boots released, or perhaps if I bought gloves I could convert them to boots at hess?

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also I wanted to mention that it sounds like the somnis sales did not meet or exceed expectations and I think thats because people were not aware. for example each DR that happens, I wait for the shopping list to come out, when it comes out I read the whole list and know what I want or dont want. at the time I read the shopping list I search all of DR for UAC gear and created my list of what I wanted to purchase. somnis wasnt on the shopping list so it didnt get added to my list. I actually didnt find out about somnis until the event was nearly closing. by that time I was nearly broke. I didnt plan my budget for somnis because I didnt know it existed.

teal kernel
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It was announced before DR opened.

deft quiver
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maybe so, but what I said still holds true

tired estuary
deft quiver
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thank you. I'd be the first to buy them (and the gloves) if they were available 🙂

light nacelle
unique obsidian
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I thought this was a good clip. Greater somnis ```
You leap from hiding to attack!
[SSR result: 148 (Open d100: 64)]

** For a split second, the striations of your somnis short sword expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the orc soldier, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
The orc soldier goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

You swing a somnis short sword at a Grimswarm orc soldier!
AS: +238 vs DS: +16 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +28 = +283
... and hit for 74 points of damage!
Deft strike to the back cracks vertebrae!
You swing an obsidian tanto at a Grimswarm orc soldier!
AS: +251 vs DS: +14 with AvD: +20 + d100 roll: +80 = +337
... and hit for 77 points of damage!
Deep slash to the orc soldier's right side!
Several inches of padding sliced off hip....
From the inside!
Roundtime: 3 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.
R>
A Grimswarm orc soldier snorfles softly in his sleep.```

deft quiver
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thats nice, hope to get some somnis stuff next DR

ornate umbra
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snorfles is a great term

solar isle
#

Snoreflares confirmed

stray veldt
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would be nice to have boots, i dont remember UAC gear ever not being sold in pairs, sans a mania type thing

tired estuary
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You can expect boots to be added to the options in the next run.

deft quiver
stray veldt
light nacelle
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Looks like it's still happening: >incant 1602
Wisps of crimson light materialize in your palms, slowly floating into the air and disappearing as you chant the phrase for Pious Trial...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
[SSR result: 122 (Open d100: 80)]

** For a split second, the striations of your somnis morning star expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards Vishra, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **

** For a split second, the striations of Vishra's somnis morning star expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards you, enveloping you entirely and causing you to slump to the ground in an unconscious heap! **
Vishra goes limp as she is rendered unconscious!

Your magic fails to find a target.

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@tired estuary

solar isle
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does greater somnis anal or lore song show greater somnis?

dark wasp
deft quiver
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which one is better?

viral osprey
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Influence enhancives are cheap and plentiful….

dark wasp
deft quiver
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after looking at both the smr and ssr wiki pages, it appears if somnis moves to smr that would be a downgrade for non melee classes, and an upgrade for melee classes

teal kernel
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SSR has a pretty fixed formula, whereas SMR is a little murkier and depends on the source. Like 309/320 utlize spell aiming, sigil staves use MIU, etc

still coral
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Ssr is highly based on influence and with enough, you can even get good success results against ascension critters. To make it comparable with an smr roll, you would need to have an outside skill influence it besides just the normal lvl v lvl formula, or it would need an innate bonus to the enroll.

Smr is easier to tweak overall, but as far as a straight conversion would be, it'd be a pretty hefty nerf vs how it works today if you boost your influence.

unique obsidian
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I want it to be SSR still. As I switched the stat on my character using it to be high in influence

hazy turret
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I would give it the same SMR treatment that dispel gets and call it a day

unique obsidian
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They should just bring back ssr. Make influence great again.

vast delta
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Most of the sleep related things use SSR

viral osprey
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problem with treating it like dispel is that dispel scales 5 tiers. SSR is upgradeable independently via more influence. I personally prefer SSR, but I don't own any somnis

deft quiver
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well with dispel, you pay for each upgrade and with the price of what somnis is, one would think the effect should be equivalent of a tier 5 dispel or maybe lesser somnis would be equal to t3 dispel and greater equal to t5

still coral
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lesser somnis has no roll, it's a post-flare, only greater has an SSR roll because it happens before the swing, and if that then fails then it can trigger post-flare still, there's options if they did want to convert it to SMR, it just should not be nerfed IMO from what it currently is. Personally I like it staying SSR, as I think it makes it kinda unique among some material stuff, and another thing that can be built around to make it quite powerful

deft quiver
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is ghyzete ssr or smr?

echo plinth
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Ghezyte is neither. It just works.
(The effect is far less meaningful than somnis or dispel, though.)

deft quiver
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ya, thats what I been hearing, which is why I am going for a somnis set next dr

viral osprey
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I'm here for some somnis leg or arm greaves 😄

deft quiver
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what I would really like, is the ability to add somnis to an existing piece of equipment. we spend so much money making these prize pieces and have to start from scratch again when something cool comes out we like

dark wasp
hazy turret
still coral
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A service like that is pretty unlikely to be available at anything other than an auction due to all the complications that can arise in doing a transmute.

dense smelt
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I dont foresee metal transmute that brings with it mechanical benefits as an OTS feature anytime soon

hazy turret
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100k HESS cert seems appropriate though.

dense smelt
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Given the cost to add script flares and then rank them up, or rotflares, it would fall in that bracket I would think (if any)

still coral
hazy turret
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In my head, it would follow the same rules where you need to already own/purchase the thing you are transmuting to.

echo plinth
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I'd love a middling transmute, but somnis wouldn't fall under that category.

High steel, probably. Ghezyte, maybe depending on the price. Somnis, no. 😛

nova torrent
# still coral zero chance that transmute to somnis would be less than 400-500k even lesser

i'd have to disagree with what it does. no offense, but i'm not that impressed by it personally since (to me anyway) it's just another version of voln sleep. I rather have the high steel or even a low steel with consistent and guarantees of something when they do flare rather than leave it to chance between flare and success. right/wrong/indifferent you can still compare dispel flares to somnis and it's still in about the same price range (90k for T1 to T3 and 100k for T4 and T5). at least there's up to 5 dispel chances and the damage. so... technically i would see a transmute to somnis (lesser) less than "400/500k" scrip. if it were me pricing, i'd say half of that. at least the high steel is passive and always active at its price even if only good for certain creatures. personally i think it's one of the most under appreciated metals. to each their own though. edit: from another point of view (with silvers though we can still arguably assuming a 1:1 ratio for immediate purposes). holy fire (s6) you'd probably get a lot more for your "buck" than a somnis flare (assuming you're hunting undead). my just my two cents.

teal kernel
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Somnis isn't mutally exclusive with dispel, so that's an unnecessary comparison. High steel is useless in 98% of the game. Low steel conflicts with ability slot flares. The only comparable material for melee/ranged, with regard to compatibility with other upgrade options, is ghezyte - which isn't slated for future availability as far as we know. Event ghezyte is "just" a debuff that could be attained via several other means.

Strictly measuring "power" aside, material buffs that don't otherwise conflict are extremely rare. Price is going to reflect that if you're trying to avoid starting from scratch.

dark wasp
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I was going to say something similar. It's not about somnis vs holy fire or somnis vs dispel. It's that you can have all of those. That's neat, and worth something.

I'm not sure it's worth as much as, say, low steel? But certainly more than your average flaring metal.

teal kernel
deft quiver
dark wasp
teal kernel
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To clarify, I've only seen it offered once at Mania, so I don't mean to get anyone's hopes up - mostly just highlighting a key property difference. When it comes to the material slot, it's only somnis/ghezyte/surita for weapons

echo plinth
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I'm pretty sure extraplanar enemies comprise more than 2% of the game.

teal kernel
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The only thing unique about high steel is the anti-fade vs ithzir (so even less than 1%). You can get EPB on anything, including somnis. Albeit at a cost, of course. I suppose you could view it as budget EBP, at the expense of alternatives

deft quiver
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I wish it showed numbers when blocking an ithzir attack letting you know the high steel is working. it may actually sell more if the calculation was visible

nova torrent
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no, low steel is its own metal. as is the somnis.. so no they can't both be on the same weapon... but from a price point of view (which is why i bothered to type) yes.. they are comparable in what they do. to everybody is their own price and while not worth even close to 4/500k bloodscrip (ie 500 mil range) for some people, there's somebody else that would think its worth it. so there's that though it's only sleep. i don't see how else it's special. let alone seeing it hit the higher level ascended monsters with an smr attack. the high steel in that regard outperforms this in the rift, moonsedge, etc since it's always going to do its passive abilty vs the somnis that has to flare and hit. no thanks.

echo plinth
tight granite
# nova torrent no, low steel is its own metal. as is the somnis.. so no they can't both be on ...

I think Maodan's point was that you can get the psychic flares on other metals. Lightning flares come natively on zorchar, but you can get them on other metals. Maodan is pointing out that psychic flares come natively on low steel, but you can get them on other metals. (Disclaimer: I'm not sure if that's true, because I don't remember that being sold at mania, but I'm pretty sure that's the point he's making.)

teal kernel
echo plinth
pine pulsar
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casual players like Leafiara will never understand our plight Mao🧌

teal kernel
# echo plinth I said literally nothing about value. That's entirely you. Maybe you're using a ...

Okay, so it’s my word choice specifically - fine! Useless is not accurate in the strictest sense, any more than a plain steel sword with EBP. They will both function, identically even, for a vast majority of the game. EBP is a great bane, better coverage than several other options as you pointed out. But unless you specifically want EBP, or only ever fight ithzir (which you might), then it provides no additional use over any other options for material - THAT is the use I am referring to. Maybe I should’ve gone with less-use? 🤣

echo plinth
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There we go, perfect. 👍

(And I'd never even contemplate buying high steel, for the record. It's just that "meh" is the word I would have used. 😛 )

dark wasp
teal kernel
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I mean technically EPB on a shield/armor can give you EBP. In that sense, high steel isn’t actually a terrible option for armor. Greater than “meh” at least, for cheap bane access

Edit: nvm, you don’t get to choose the bane type, looks like it’s always crit padding for high steel armor? According to wiki anyway. If it’s an option like other armor then cool, and padding is still solid regardless. Shield is block at least? 🤣

teal kernel
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Also for the record it was the September 2020 auction where psychic flares were sold: 15 Warclaidh 700,000 Add low steel flares 1 But without changing the weapon's material

silver pivot
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Theoretically you could buy low steel and then do this hopeful somnis transmute and have both. Assuming they allowed that to happen. Mechanically it would work. Same with xakfalifinackis.

Also somnis puts things in offensive, voln sleep doesn’t that is a huge difference. And in general comparing anything to voln sleep just makes it sound more OP not less. 🙂 though obviously you can’t spam 0 second aoe somnis. Yet.

dark wasp
solar isle
# teal kernel Also for the record it was the September 2020 auction where psychic flares were ...

i mean
As you recall Nitos's song, you feel a faint resonating vibration from the somnis boots in your hand, and you learn something about it...

It imparts a bonus of +40 more than usual.
It has been infused with the essence of raw terror.
It appears to weigh about 2 pounds.
It is estimated to be worth about 157,700,000 silvers.
It is predominantly crafted of somnis.
It has been sanctified 1 time.
It may be enchanted up to a bonus of 40 by a wizard.
It is a tricky project (430 difficulty) for an adventurer to modify.

they exist, they've been pretty fun for me on my monk

teal kernel
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That's terror flares, not psychic. Still awesome, but not the same

solar isle
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Yeah i missed the low steel part above, low/steel somnis w/ dispell would be pretty cool. Im glad they added more cloth material options, compared to metals there arent near enough imo.

UAC dosent have as many options for add ons to stuff as metal does for materials and cant add slots

deft quiver
solar isle
deft quiver
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not sure if that would work since they are all base materials, at the very least there should be more base material options

solar isle
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you could do low steel woven or something

deft quiver
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what I would like is a set of high steel gloves/boots with banshee flares and nerve script

teal kernel
deft quiver
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oh, thought banshee was a flare, and ya I knew that about nerve staff but was thinking it could be expanded to weapons. pures make little use of the nerve script compared to a melee class

viral osprey
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Is there a lore origin for Somnis?

tired estuary
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None that has been yet shared. I'm not 100% sure what the best way to do that is, but it's coming at some point!

tropic niche
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Dreams sent to people that put themselves to sleep during buffing. Make a funny bug into a bit of lore!

unique obsidian
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someone figured a way to go into the dream world to mine the ore for it.

hazy turret
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Is there something that identifies if somnis is lesser or greater that I'm not seeing in the inspect, loresong, or analyze?

tired estuary
hazy turret
deft quiver
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I think somnis sales may plummet with the invention of starsong 😦

carmine cradle
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Personally I think somnis is stronger mechanically. I think they're way overvaluing a post resolution flare just because its aoe.

teal kernel
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Why not both? Two hands 😁

unique obsidian
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It’s not just AOE. if there is only 1 target it hits that target 3 times

mint plover
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d3 times* 👍

echo plinth
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I like starsong more, but it's almost infinitely harder to find people trading excess raikhen than excess bloodscrip, so... eh. I'm unlikely to get either, honestly, but somnis less so!

dark wasp
silver pivot
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I think somnis in general is better. But…more spam is always hard to pass up.

unique obsidian
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It’s currently my favorite weapon.

tranquil kernel
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Somnis will now work with Volley.

dark wasp
tropic niche
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Proning and stancing a critter is probably better than 2 disruption flares for kill speed (equal cost comparison)

still coral
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I'm pretty happy with Somnis TBH, it's also a decent bit cheaper, that 150k saved is more than halfway toward a script add. I love the flavor of starsong though, if/when armor/shields are available I very much might have to have a singing shield to pare with a somnis weapon

echo plinth
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For mechanical barbies, somnis can't be dyed and starsong can, so automatic win for the latter! 🤣

dark wasp
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Oof. Starting a new armor project is right out. Bring on the mediocre transmutes!

mild meadow
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how should a bow with somnis + flares behave? I should expect both the weapon flare and somnis flares now? I am only seeing weapon flares.

hazy turret
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what was the TWC outcome for somnis? Did post resolution keep the creature asleep during TWC attack?

unique obsidian
hazy turret
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does it matter which attack order?
if you had somnis main/nonsom off does it keep them asleep? Same through assaults?

unique obsidian
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I have Somnis main, I've not used it as an offhand weapon. Not sure on assaults either. I hide and attack, sometimes use hamstring, but no assaults.

still coral
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the swings after somnis flares on an assault will wake the target, but if you have somnis main hand, and it triggers, your TWC offhand strike of the same swing it triggered won't wake the target

Mstrike will do same as assaults, whatever counts as a new "swing" will wake the target

hazy turret
#

if anyone snagged an extra somnis dagger, lets talk

barren dew
mild meadow
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Yes, I have both flare effects triggering on attacks/volley

cobalt dragon
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okay its your first trip to DR you have 150 books. whats my best option for loot/BS? i want to finally get something epic for my character so this will be my first major shopping trip. any must haves for a ranger/wizard/sorc/cleric?

mossy thunder
#

you should take this question to #duskruin !

round leaf
#

This feels like a math test question.

wispy crypt
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Are there any known immune types of creatures? Specifically are elementals immune to the flare? Also does the echo flare from a sigil runestaff count as an attack and wake the target?

dark wasp
#

Tsarks in the arena

tropic niche
dark wasp
wispy crypt
dark wasp
# wispy crypt Immune to Somnis flares ? Interesting

** For a split second, the striations of your somnis spear expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the crimson tsark, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
A mottled crimson tsark does not seem to be affected.

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Which may be notable since they're in the wiki as "element-based". I don't have any actual elemental examples, though.

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Cave worms, basilisks, cave lizards, fog beetles, and everything else I've seen in the arena: works great. Just the tsarks.

wispy crypt
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I wonder if that is intended or an oversight, this is the exact group of enemies I am concerned with

dark wasp
#

Just to share what Sorrenn and I learned:
** For a split second, the striations of your somnis spear expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the earth elemental, enveloping it entirely and causing it to collapse, fast asleep! **
As you casts at the earth elemental, it completely ignores the effect!

wispy crypt
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ah yup beat me to it, now is this a bug or feature

still coral
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Elementals are immune to a lot of stuff, it wouldn't be a bug with somnis the creature itself would need updating

unique obsidian
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It’s the best! So shhhhh. Don’t point out it’s possible flaws or should be flaws.

In all seriousness though. I bring nothing to the discussion. It’s just tied as my favorite flare.

wispy crypt
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If undead can sleep, so can elementals

still coral
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undead aren't immune to sleep though, basically anything you can symbol of sleep somnis should work on, if it's immune to that then somnis will probably not work

wispy crypt
dark wasp
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Worth mentioning that the second paste was on test

nova torrent
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apolagize if this was asked prior. curious how somnis flares fares against places like HW / Moonsedge (ie: the post cap critters)? Or do they just flat out resist the sleep from the flare?

carmine cradle
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They work just fine

nova torrent
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fine as in viable?

still coral
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You need at least 25 inf bonus for a good success rate, more is better, but if you tanked inf, I wouldn't use somnis

barren dew
light nacelle
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Oh dear. I might need to rethink some stat placement 😕

dull crystal
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I might need a race polymorph potion

still coral
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you don't need enough in normal capped zones, but for HW if you really want pretty good success on the pre-attack flares Inf is a must

dull crystal
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That would be greater somnis though right, which isn’t a guarantee for armaments

still coral
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Yes I'm talking about greater and weapons specifically, armor accessories are only lesser and I guess we don't quite know how main armor will work yet

finite scroll
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it'll be interesting to see how greater somnis works on armor. I'm planning on hunting HW later this month... Looks like I might need to go for INF enhansives

strong osprey
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INF enhancives tend to be pretty cheap, so the good news is it should be easy to assemble +40 INF stat

brisk galleon
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Do reactive somnis flares require a successful SMRv2 roll? Or is it like other reactive flares where they always hit? I'm noticing in #game-chatter that someone shared a clip fo them in action, and there is no SMRv2 roll shown

still coral
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Reactive as is after being hit or block? That shouldn't require anything i don't think as it already requires ebp to happen.

The only thing that requires ssr. Is the pre resolution stuff, so if greater armor happens and has a chance to flare before ebp or as/ds and such, then that would be ssr, similar to weapons requiring before a hit happens

unique obsidian
still coral
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yeah that's just a normal flare that happens post-resolution

carmine cradle
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You dont need a huge influence stat. 100 with 25 bonus and youre good to go.

pine pulsar
carmine cradle
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Nope. I went and hunted moonsedge and it worked just fine on all creatures.

sour tide
pine pulsar
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The real question for low influence races is would you wear extra influence enhancives JUST to make somnis work

carmine cradle
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If influence is a determining factor and you increase influence the logic follows. I did 2 hunts in moonsedge with 25 influence bonus and it worked just as well as in the arena. I don't think GMs design stuff around needing huge stats.

teal kernel
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Yeah but most people tank INF. So if it's somewhere on the order of 1 INF bonus == 1 SSR point, then that could be a non-trivial consideration. My forest gnome ranger would be -19% chance to succeed relative to that 100/25 baseline

pine pulsar
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I really just wish I could get a test instance somnis runestaff and try it out....

brisk galleon
carmine cradle
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30 influence bonus, Moonsedge Creatures Level 102 - 104

[SSR result: 147 (Open d100: 50)]
[SSR result: 199 (Open d100: 84)]
[SSR result: 175 (Open d100: 63)]
[SSR result: 53 (Open d100: -50)]
[SSR result: 83 (Open d100: -20)]
[SSR result: 134 (Open d100: 31)]
[SSR result: 126 (Open d100: 26)]
[SSR result: 167 (Open d100: 67)]
[SSR result: 152 (Open d100: 52)]
[SSR result: 186 (Open d100: 86)]

With 30 bonus you really can't fail unless you fumble the roll. Going from 25 bonus to 30 bonus only added a couple of points to the roll.

pine pulsar
#

Same Single Critter
SSR Margin
''INFL Bonus shield (lvl106) disir (lvl114)
44 91 79
40 89 77
24 85 73
14 74 62
11 65 53
Best Margin ever 101 84
basically I found that there is huge diminishing return on influence bonus past 25, I assume at that point level is the primary factor

carmine cradle
# 
You swing a pitted brass-hilted craquemarte at an infernal death knight!
 ** Afterimages of your brass-hilted craquemarte manifest around an infernal death knight, striking rapidly in turn before shattering and coalescing back into your hand. **
The guiding force leaves an infernal death knight.
A hazy film coats an infernal death knight.
An infernal death knight looks momentarily uneasy, but quickly recovers.
An infernal death knight seems a bit less imposing.
  AS: +624 vs DS: +329 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +39 = +361
   ... and hit for 64 points of damage!
   Strong slash to throat nicks a few blood vessels.
 ** For a split second, the striations of your brass-hilted craquemarte expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the death knight, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **
The death knight goes limp as she is rendered unconscious!
 ** Your brass-hilted craquemarte bursts alight with leaping tongues of holy fire! **
   Consumed by the hallowed flames, an infernal death knight is ravaged for 100 points of damage!
She clutches at her armored chest.  Her flaming eyes blaze precipitously as white-hot fire erupts from her floating head, consuming it in a burst of blinding light!  The headless corpse sinks to the ground, unmoving.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.```

Not sure how the second roll is being resolved but if the first one misses the second one tends to get em.
pine pulsar
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I think the second one is guaranteed. That being said I wonder if level vs. level and Influence bonus are the sole variables..... Like stuns/fear/status doesnt have any affect on SSR defense i assume. Also not sure if being injured hurts your own SSR offense.

verbal condor
brisk galleon
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It’s pretty cool that the second one can fire on the same swing

carmine cradle
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shrug No idea, it works very well imo and is a definite boon for mutant swingers that need more AS. I'm thoroughly convinced pre-resolution flares trump all other flares.

pine pulsar
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I did see some hijinks on the test server like once something gets somnis slept it remains prone forever if left alone...... also one of the disciples cast 3 different abilities in a row at me in its sleep, not sure if the active status was wrong or the disciple was legit breaking the rules. Might just be test server things.

brisk galleon
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The "ingot of somnis" transmutes weapons to greater somnis, correct?

echo plinth
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Yep.

sharp grove
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If you get a weapon transmuted to Somnis, can you keep the original metal and just have somnis mixed with it? Or does the original metal have to be completely replaced? If someone has RP reasons for keeping the metal type, this is important to them.

verbal condor
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You might be able to have it altered to something like that, but the transmutes are "Least work possible" from what they have said to make it work.

sharp grove
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just wanna confirm that the alteration can be done before any triggers are pulled 🙂

still coral
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the only material I know that's ever worked like that has been the limited raffle of the add-firewheel flares to an item, where it added some parts to the description but didn't change the material.

A transmute is always going to change the material, it needs to be made out of that material for the material benefits to work. (Firewheel works because it's technically an ability flare it's just related to the material, but on the technical side can be added to other materials, Somnis is not that way.)

So I highly doubt they will let something that needs to inspect as made out of somnis to appear/alter to look like it's made out of something else primarily

As part of Alter 44:
A number of metals are restricted or simply do not lend themselves to serving as an adornment. Adamantine, coraesine, kroderine, urnon, and zelnorn cannot be added as adornments due to their unique and innate qualities, with the exception of being used as an accent for combat items that share the material's innate qualities. Metals that can be used as adornment but require special handling/considerations:

Somnis probably falls into that category

finite scroll
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The transmute will replace the metal type and any metal references to somnis. Somnis also can't be dyed, so you'd have a hard time getting an alter to change the color. afaik they won't alter one metal to look like another and adornments would affect more like '-edged' '-hilt' etc

carmine cradle
# 
  You also notice a small enchanter's glyph.  A strange necrotic haze radiates from the craquemarte.  A strong aura of holy light radiates from the craquemarte.```

I didn't even notice but this falchion was mithglin and the "look" was updated with the transmute.
verbal condor
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Pretty sure that's included in the "minimum required" Like it won't be internally inconsistent.

echo plinth
tranquil kernel
# echo plinth Heh... the number of things that go out of the treasure system like "a vultite-e...

In this example, the claidhmore is made out of steel and the vultite is decorative. You can do that, but for transmuting, you're changing the actual material and any references to the old material would be replaced by the new material. However, after the transmute, you can get it altered to add metal adornments and you don't have to keep the base metal in the description (but you also can't remove the base material and insert another material to make it seem like it's something that it’s not).

finite scroll
# 
  and a sleek midnight blue short sword with an elaborate ghezyte swept-hilt in your left hand.``` here's my set that I got transmuted to somnis.  Trying to ignore the voice in my head telling me to use Sadie scrolls to change 'midnight blue' to 'greater somnis'
finite scroll
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Yakushi asked about greater somnis flares in relation to cmans that only work when creatures are standing, such as hamstring. I used hamstring in the arena for most of my encounters and it didn't flare a single time except when it was triggered via my twin weapons second attack. I'm not sure if they intentionally don't flare on cmans like hamstring or if there's another reason. I know my somnis leg greaves flare on sweep.

light nacelle
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Any news on the armor?

tired estuary
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At this point, greater armor upgrades are probably going to be a February thing. While they are largely functional, there are a few oddities that we're still trying to nail down, which will probably require some assistance from other GMs to fully resolve.

light nacelle
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I'm sorry @tired estuary. I know you've been working hard on this

stark folio
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Appreciate the work, and that it's going to be possible at all is a win 🙂

brisk galleon
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For what it's worth, I am super happy with my new somnis weapon transmute. I would never have considered starting a new project, but the transmute has been working out great

finite scroll
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same here. and it's also great that lesser somnis armor/accessories hit shelves. Gives me something to consider upgrading next duskruin!

stray veldt
nova torrent
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question. Is this valid to get transmuted to somnis? I'm only asking because of the analyze.. so curious if its doomed to stay mithril forever or if this would be an exception?

s>analyze longknife
You analyze your black mithril longknife and sense that the item is largely free from merchant alteration restrictions.

The creator has also provided the following information:

Lesser Armor and Weapon Moods:

This item contains mood messaging depending on flare type, and has a chance to fire off ambient messaging every so often. It will also work for things like bless, elemental edge, and guiding light flares.

This item is currently active and will do ambient messaging. You may APPROVE to make it go dormant.

Since your deity of choice aligns with your black mithril longknife, you will always get messaging for Ronan.

A silver-edged black mithril longknife uses the verbs Gaze, Kiss, Pray, and Raise. Due to the nature of this item, the READ and SHOW may never change, but other work may be done on it.

You can tell that the longknife is as light as it can get.

You see 1 Duskruin, Phoenatos 5123 stamp upon the longknife.

It's because of the read/show that I'm worried of and with the mithril reference(s)

tired estuary
nova torrent
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Loving it on both weapons. looking forward to next Feb to get the boring normal steel full plate armor to match the weapons hehe 🙂 Thank you.

topaz nacelle
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So I tanked INF but as an elf warrior my INF bonus is 27. Is the consensus that the figure would still render an effective somnis flare?

carmine cradle
pine pulsar
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You really just need to get to 25 bonus and anything above is much reduced benefit

wispy crypt
# 
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
[SSR result: 78 (Open d100: 30)]
A wave of dark ethereal ripples moves outward from you.
A human thief is buffeted by the dark ethereal waves and is knocked to the ground.
A human mugger is knocked from hiding.
A human mugger is buffeted by the dark ethereal waves and is knocked to the ground.
A human highwayman is buffeted by the dark ethereal waves and is knocked to the ground.

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis staff expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards Sorrenn, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **

 ** For a split second, the striations of Sorrenn's somnis staff expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards you, enveloping you entirely and causing you to slump to the ground in an unconscious heap! **
Sorrenn goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds```INCANT OPEN Spells:
  -  504: Slow
  -  410: Elemental Wave
mossy thunder
topaz nacelle
#

I'm getting an odd result /w somnis. When it triggers off an assault or cman attack it doesn't look like the sleep state is reflected in the attack resolution. Anyone else getting this?

wispy crypt
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Saw a Disir attack while sleeping today

wheat hemlock
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If anyone is curious, somnis works great on all of the Hinterwilds Pits creatures with just a 19 INF bonus. Ooze, disir, angargeist, valravns...I don't think there was anything it didn't work on. But as mentioned, it's a bit buggy.

It's defintely making me second-guess my starsong choice.

pine pulsar
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I would say 20-25 inf bonus is best goal before big diminishing returns, plus even if you miss the pre-sleep the after attack sleep always hits regardless of level. I luv somnis in HW, makes turtling critters no longer an issue.

strong osprey
pine pulsar
# strong osprey Re: the after attack, the wiki says that the after attack uses an SSR roll. How...

see my above analysis using the same disir with different bonuses: #1072870261478666341 message
Here is an example of 2 days ago with around 30 bonus:
You gesture at a shining winged disir.
[SSR result: 118 (Open d100: 43)]
** For a split second, the striations of your shadowy somnis staff expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the winged disir, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **

Not going to lie, I have never seen a post attack sleep flare SSR, does that mean it is not SSR based?
[SSR result: 21 (Open d100: -54)]
You hurl a seething blast of steam at a roiling crimson angargeist!
AS: +573 vs DS: +575 with AvD: +70 + d100 roll: +45 = +113
... and hit for 11 points of damage!
Glancing blow to the right arm leaves a trail of vapor in its wake.
** For a split second, the striations of your shadowy somnis staff expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the crimson angargeist, enveloping it entirely and causing it to collapse, fast asleep! **
The crimson angargeist goes limp as it is rendered unconscious!

strong osprey
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That’s all related to the pre resolution attempt though right? Somnis also does a post attack flare. Does that post attack flare also use the same roll?

So the SSR roll is the same for pre resolution and post resolution, right?

Hmm - has anyone ever seen the post attack resolution fail? If there is a roll, it’s hidden

pine pulsar
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Looking at 1 whole log of Pits hunting it looks like I only failed like 5 times the whole hunt and it was usually negative open roll. Also, every time i failed SSR the post flare hit with not visible SSR. I would guestimate that I am going hit all HW critters pre-res about 75% of the time and post flare 100% so either way you looking at hitting it every flare based on what I have seen

reply: I guess based on my observations and the fact that post sleep flare does not have visible SSR

strong osprey
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I’m curious why you say the post flare always hits, if the pre flare is like 75% success and they both use the same roll system?

pine pulsar
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Lets say the avg for pits is 75% (SSR chance to hit) for each flare with 25 INF bonus, that means at you still got 94% chance to hit factoring both IF both use SSR right?

strong osprey
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Think that’s the right math Zhagen. Has anyone ever seen the post attack flare fail? I just wonder if it’s automatic or something. If it’s SSR based, there should be some failures occasionally due to open rolls or just bad luck

mint plover
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I think it's more likely the wiki is just wrong that the post uses SSR

hmm actually wiki article seems kinda ambiguous on that point

cunning rune
#

Also, every time i failed SSR the post flare hit with now visible SSR.
Unless I'm reading that wrong, sounds like the post flare has a visible SSR roll now

pine pulsar
cunning rune
#

That sounds better. It may have been changed, but I believe it was said that pre would be ssr and post wouldn't have a roll.

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All I'm finding though.
#1072870261478666341 message

mint plover
dark wasp
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I have a lesser somnis spear. In a fair number of arena runs, I never saw the post-swing flare fail except on tsarks and automatons, which are immune.

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But of course for lesser, you have to hit it.

strong osprey
dark wasp
#

Failure on an automaton:

As you casts at the vultite automaton, the automaton stops moving momentarily, then lurches back into motion.```
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And on a tsark:

A mottled crimson tsark does not seem to be affected.```
wispy crypt
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It does seem the POST flare acts like any other flare and renders the target unconscious. The PRE resolution flare uses SSR (greater Somnis weapon)

light nacelle
#

God I love Somnis weapons

wispy crypt
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Yah, they are amazing

nova torrent
#

Moonsedge got easier for me (sleep on conjurers helps break their DS a lot). though as of late, feels like I should kill Emperor first vs Empress.

Looking forward to what the greater somnis armor can do

novel arch
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I mean anything that is that expensive should be amazing!

wispy crypt
#

There are degrees of expensive and amazing. This is one of the better ones

ember rampart
#

I want to transmute my shield to somnis.

tired estuary
#

I'm hoping to be able to add shields to the list of "somnis" options, but there's some trickiness with all the myriad of shield skills and somnis. In my testing, only about half of them currently work, but I'm hoping that we can get that all ironed out by February.

verbal condor
#

A somnis energy shield sounds amazing.

queen parrot
#

I am excited to see what Somnis armor holds in store

nova torrent
#

same

nova torrent
#

👀

hushed shuttle
#

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I'm seeing multiple critters continue to attack while "sleeping" after my somnis flares. So far I've noticed this with sentinels, lurks, and monstrosities in SoS.

Gnawing blindly with shattered teeth, a shambling lurk tries to bite into you!
By amazing chance, you evade the attack!
>
The shambling lurk slowly comes back to consiousness.``` What's up with this?
tired estuary
#

If you could please BUG your weapon, with the creatures that you've seen it not function on, we can take a look

vast delta
#

SoS creatures are notorious for not being disable-able.

hushed shuttle
tired estuary
severe rover
#

does somnis change mob stance to offensive?

unique obsidian
tropic niche
#

As someone that was once told "there's a spider in your bed" while I was asleep, I can confirm that I was in an offensive stance, as my wild punching of my mattress will attest.

nova torrent
#

questions:
A) somnis armor transmute going to happen for Feb DR?

B) What is the price looking like for armor transmute? And I'm going to assume (hopefully safely) that there'll be an attunement price too>

and lastly:

C) Will it be available for the August DR too?

Thank you.

Edit: PS: So looking forward to using the somnis katana and somnis longknife with somnis full plate in Moonsedge hehehe ❤️

glad swift
#

If I opt to transmute a weapon with an ingot of somnis, must the metal name be added to the tap description? Can be be removed later using GALD if it must be added?

#

I'm fine if the inspect verb shows it's the new metal.

finite scroll
#

When I had it done they'd only change the name in the long/short description to somnis if there was already a metal there.

#

So if your weapon is 'a vultite vorpal sword' it would be 'a somnis vorpal sword' but if it's a 'tiny bronze-hilted sword' it'd stay that way.. also if it's a color that color may or may not be updated to be purple to match it's undyedness

unique obsidian
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it's still the greatest thing ever

light nacelle
still coral
#

not a huge deal, but it does look like somnis is currently bugged

The intial flare that puts it to sleep is not actually lowering the stance/defense of the creature for the first swing that it triggers.


 ** For a split second, the striations of Character's somnis lance expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the minotaur warrior, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
A minotaur warrior goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

Character thrusts with a tapered somnis lance at a minotaur warrior!
  AS: +412 vs DS: +444 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +52 = +53
   A clean miss.
R>
A minotaur warrior snores quietly in his sleep.
A minotaur warrior is awakened by Character's attack!
 thrusts with a tapered somnis lance at a minotaur warrior!
  AS: +412 vs DS: +276 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +10 = +179
   ... and hits for 63 points of damage!
   Throat nearly crushed.  The minotaur warrior makes gurgling noises.```

This is all back to back so you can see clearing on the swing it triggered the DS was 444 and then on the swing where they were awakened it was 276 which would of been after it reduced their stance.
lilac olive
#

Looks like I am seeing the exact same thing.

  AS: +405 vs DS: +296 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +47 = +188
   ... and hits for 36 points of damage!
   Left elbow smashed into a thousand pieces.
Pearly light flares up suddenly from within you, lending strength and focus to your attack!
[SSR result: 156 (Open d100: 80)]

 ** For a split second, the striations of your fish spine sword expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the lesser minotaur, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
A lesser minotaur goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

You swing a fish spine sword at a lesser minotaur!
  AS: +472 vs DS: +266 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +66 = +302
   ... and hit for 61 points of damage!
   Powerful slash just cracks the lesser minotaur's shield arm!
You feel the unnatural surge of necrotic power wane away.
You swing a slender ghezyte Niima's-embrace at a lesser minotaur!
  AS: +441 vs DS: +144 with AvD: +24 + d100 roll: +38 = +359
   ... and hit for 62 points of damage!
   Powerful slash just cracks the lesser minotaur's weapon arm!
A low gurgling sound comes from deep within the chest of the lesser minotaur as he falls slack against the ground.
A lesser minotaur appears less intimidated as a haze of grey mist rises from him and dissipates.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.```

And it isn't just with Minotaurs, but also happening with any of the creatures on there.
silver pivot
#

it's be interesting to see if that's just a twc bug or it's not actually providing the benefit to the main hand even with single weapon attacks until the subsequent attack after that one, and yes somnis does stance to offensive as well. which isn't necessarily always a function of sleep / unconscious. At least when i tested against players sym sleep didn't change stance (501 does). Not sure on other effects that cause it like knockout flares / some ucs crits.

lilac olive
#

Looking at Vaemyrs post above it is not just TWC. It is happening with a lance as well.

silver pivot
#

oh huh, yeah. i missed that one yeah, wamp wamp

lilac olive
#

I'll have to dig through my logs for more Knockout flare examples as I am curious if they do the stance pushdown or not.

still coral
#

Yeah it's definitely a bug with somnis introduced with the disabler review, the sleep/stance pushdown isn't being applied for the first swing that hits, it then happens post-swing for the next one

basically eventhough the flare is triggering pre-swing, the resolution isn't actually occuring till post-swing

floral nexus
#

I wonder if some of the Dispel wonkiness some folks have seen is related in some way.

still coral
#

I suspect it's very possible, it could be affecting anything that is pre-resolution

#

and I know this used to work correctly when somnis originally came out, so hopefully they can track down what broke it

nova torrent
#

And... apparently on my armor now too

With effortless ease born of martial training, an infernal death knight swings a massive black ora sword adorned with a trio of blue-black diamonds at you!
  AS: +545 vs DS: +379 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +57 = +252
   ... and hits for 27 points of damage!
   Wild slash bounces off the back of your hand.

 ** Several archaic sigils flash briefly along your somnis plate and you begin to grow translucent, shifting in and out of view as gnarled ethereal vines erupt from your body and lash out at an infernal death knight, each one solidifying before they strike! **
   ... 12 points of damage!
   Large patches of skin removed from back, giving glimpses of musculature beneath!

 ** For a split second, the striations of your  expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the death knight, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **


With effortless ease born of martial training, an infernal death knight swings a massive black ora sword adorned with a trio of blue-black diamonds at you!

You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
  AS: +545 vs DS: +364 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +33 = +243
   ... and hits for 26 points of damage!
   Jarring blow to your back.

 ** For a split second, the striations of your  expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the death knight, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **


With effortless ease born of martial training, an infernal death knight swings a massive black ora sword adorned with a trio of blue-black diamonds at you!
  AS: +545 vs DS: +364 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +71 = +281
   ... and hits for 39 points of damage!
   Banged your right shin.
   That'll raise a good welt.

 ** Your somnis plate bursts alight with leaping tongues of holy fire at the death knight! **
   Consumed by the hallowed flames, an infernal death knight is ravaged for 73 points of damage!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Burst of flames to left arm burns skin bright red.

 ** For a split second, the striations of your  expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the death knight, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **


With effortless ease born of martial training, an infernal death knight swings a massive black ora sword adorned with a trio of blue-black diamonds at you!
  AS: +535 vs DS: +333 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +68 = +299
   ... and hits for 44 points of damage!
   Feint to the left goes astray as you dodge!
   Deep gouge to your back!

 ** For a split second, the striations of your  expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the death knight, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! **


With effortless ease born of martial training, an infernal death knight swings a massive black ora sword adorned with a trio of blue-black diamonds at you!
  AS: +535 vs DS: +333 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +60 = +291
   ... and hits for 42 points of damage!
   Feint to the left goes astray as you dodge!
   Deep gouge to your back!```

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the sleep procced, shouldn't that mstrike drop dead in its track?
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did in an in game bug, but not sure if it's the armor or the creature. i'll start double watching for other creatures but this is the first one i actually noticed. it did work beautifully within DR arena though

lilac olive
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She must have been sleep walking!

nova torrent
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I think it worked on vampires earlier, but I'll double check. part of me wonders if it's just DKs

nova torrent
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ghasts it works against just fine. (showing both the greater somnis weapons and the somnis plate in case it helps)

The profane energies animating a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast wash over his necrotic flesh, coalescing into a wash of blackness that whirls through his eyes.  A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast shakes his head clear and his withered lips curl back in a snarl.
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast slowly comes back to consciousness.
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast curls his withered lips into a snarl as an upwelling of vile necromantic energies bolsters him!
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast slashes relentlessly at you with long, yellowed nails!
  AS: +504 vs DS: +390 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +68 = +189
   ... and hits for 8 points of damage!
   Diagonal slash to your weapon arm.
   Strike misses but bruises a few knuckles.

 ** Several archaic sigils flash briefly along your somnis plate and you begin to grow translucent, shifting in and out of view as gnarled ethereal vines erupt from your body and lash out at a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, each one solidifying before they strike! **
   ... 30 points of damage!
   Strike to left forearm strips away skin, exposing bleached bone and useless tendons!
   The tatterdemalion ghast is stunned!

 ** For a split second, the striations of your  expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the tatterdemalion ghast, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

>.weaponthrash
[script aborted]
[Script weaponthrash is running, Esc to cancel, Shift-Esc to pause]
>store left
>grip two
>
Big Brute just went north.
>stance offensive
>
You have nothing in your left hand.
>
You are already gripping the somnis katana with both hands.
>
You are now in an offensive stance.
>
The animalistic rage empowering a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast subsides.
>weapon thrash
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast is awakened by your attack!
You rush a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, raising your somnis katana high to deliver a sound thrashing!
[SMR result: 175 (Open d100: 51, Bonus: 58)]
You bring your katana around in a tight arc to batter a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast into submission!
[SSR result: 171 (Open d100: 62)]

[ Weapon Thrash: +0:20:00, 0:19:59 remaining. ]
 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis katana expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the tatterdemalion ghast, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast goes limp as he is rendered unconscious!

  AS: +631 vs DS: +370 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +36 = +338
   ... and hit for 130 points of damage!
   Fast slash to the tatterdemalion ghast's neck exposes his windpipe.
   Quick anatomy lesson, anyone?

 ** Your somnis katana bursts alight with leaping tongues of holy fire! **
   Consumed by the hallowed flames, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast is ravaged for 73 points of damage!
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast slowly comes back to consciousness.
   ... 25 points of damage!
   Flames burn hole in chest exposing ribs!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>```
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vampires - doesn't appear it works either. screenshotted so I dont feel like I'm giving a wall of text. hopefully this helps.

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still coral
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I think mstrikes don't stop, an assault would, but monsters don't use those, mstrikes basically all happen at once, like I believe it's possible for a player die to retribution stuff during an mstrike but still kill the creature with like 2 swings afterwards for example

So that's an mstrike specific thing rather than somnis.

nova torrent
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if memory serves, during the arena in DR - mstrikes did stop dead in their tracks

thorny quiver
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#development-announcements message

still coral
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wooo thanks for the fix!

nova torrent
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Awesome. Question - what about LESSER somnis armor?

nova torrent
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also - creatures in Moonsedge still don't go asleep with the greater somnis weapons.

below is a grotesque example

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orchid hearth
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We have a bug report for somnis armor's interaction with mstrike, is that the issue you are referring to or is this a separate issue?

nova torrent
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i'm not sure. above is with Falvicar doing a weapon flurry, but that's a weapon thing

orchid hearth
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Ok, thank you

nova torrent
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i'm willing to get on the test server to help if needed and pretty sure the beasties within Moonsedge aren't immune to sleep (correct me if wrong). just trying to help.

orchid hearth
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I am not a smart woman. I was trying to figure out what was so grotesque about that example

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Will you please also bug the weapon flurry issue

tranquil kernel
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Grotesques are immune to sleep, but it should at least provide messaging to reflect that.

orchid hearth
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Please submit a bug about that, too

nova torrent
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done.

thorny quiver
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#development-announcements message

nova torrent
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thank you 🙂

finite scroll
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 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis runestaff expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the fallen crusader, enveloping him before quickly dissipating away. **```Somnis no longer works on fallen crusaders?
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Sym of sleep does.


[SSR result: 130 (Open d100: 28)]
A fallen crusader's eyes roll up into her head as she slumps to the ground.
finite scroll
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 ** For a split second, the striations of your black hauberk expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the fallen crusader, enveloping her before quickly dissipating away. **```
tiny sky
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Somnis has never put crusaders to sleep, but there was a bug that was messaging success even though they were immune to somnis sleep.

nova torrent
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interesting they are immune to somnis sleep but not sym of sleep

tiny sky
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Symbol of sleep is able to affect undead that are otherwise immune to sleep.

Sharing because I've seen a few other bugs come through around this.

frozen pier
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...it's a von thing, voln is specifically anti-undead, so it makes sense that it would work where non-voln sleep things would not.

nova torrent
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i'm not trying to start a debate. i just find it interesting because ultimately sleep is sleep. either a creature is immune to it or not regardless of society.

teal kernel
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ultimately sleep is sleep
This isn’t an accurate assertion, thanks to GS. There are similarities all over the place that are generally explained away with “magic.” For example, 510 hurls giant boulders, but vvrael are immune to magic. So a rock is not always a rock. Sometimes it’s a magical rock. Or 520 fire aspect doesn’t keep you warm in cold places because it’s illusory fire. I expect it would be pretty easy for there to be another such explanation as to the differences between the types of sleep (voln, somnis, 501 etc). I’m not saying it should be the way it is necessarily, or that current state is even intentional - just offering some possible correlations

nova torrent
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if that's the case, then it should correctly stated that some creatures are immune to both somnis and sym of sleep regardless of being undead or not. regardless, offhand I dont know if such an example is there.. where a creature that is immune to somnis sleep is not immune to sym of sleep. kind of redundant. Erego... sleep is still just sleep. you're immune to it or not and doesn't really matter if it's from somnis or Voln. I rather not look through the bestiary nor test but Ill humor Moonsedge next time though I doubt seriously sym of sleep would work on the somnis immune creatures. just to be clear: not complaining

nova torrent
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Okay... so apparently conjurers are immune to somnis, but not to Voln sleep, though should be noted they immediately wake back up so it doesn't really matter.

[Moonsedge Castle, Chapel - 32484] (u4577214)
Jewels of multifarious hues encrust a sphere suspended from the ceiling, casting a prismatic storm of colors over the cold features of an aged bone statue. The figure stands atop a raised dais draped in black velvet, the pooling spills of which look almost liquid in the radiance. Behind her, a mural on the wall depicts a vast black gate with only shadows beyond. You also see a gaudy phantasmic conjurer that is sleeping.
Obvious exits: west

A gaudy phantasmic conjurer opens his ghostly eyes, which burn with a fell light despite his momentary rest.

example 2:

sym sleep conj
You draw a glowing pattern in the air before a gaudy phantasmic conjurer.
[SSR result: 152 (Open d100: 90)]
A gaudy phantasmic conjurer's eyes roll up into her head as her body goes limp.

A gaudy phantasmic conjurer opens her ghostly eyes, which burn with a fell light despite her momentary rest.

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!P>sym sleep grot
You draw a glowing pattern in the air before a horned basalt grotesque.
!P>
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast slashes relentlessly at you with long, yellowed nails!
You roll to one side and evade the attack!

going to bug that in game (sym of sleep on grotesque not giving proper messaging). but they are immune to both somnis and voln sleep. Still interesting.

silver pivot
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grotesques are weird. they aren't really undead they're more like golems they just happen to be powered by a soul that's shoved in the crystal in their head. So i'm not sure that's a bug and more just like, they're more like golems and are scripted to give favor when they die.

it should generate messaging if immune though either way.

tiny sky
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I alluded to that somewhere, I can’t remember where. If you voln sleep something and do not get a message, please bug them. I’ll try to get them cleaned up.

finite scroll
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Thanks for clearing this up Zissu. I had purchased somnis transmutes to complement a couple of terror flaring items and I made the mistake of thinking working on undead means working like symbol of sleep, so all undead.

nova torrent
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gotta ask.. any chance of an extra tier of somnis actually being able to work on the undead that are not immune to symbol of sleep? maybe a Voln shop could sell/unlock it somehow or (simple solution?) let work if the weapon/armor is cleric sanctified fully to tier 5 at least? just curious and respectfully requesting/asking. i get it's dangerously close to a Voln symbol, hence the suggestion of Voln shop selling it Voln members maybe but can't say no if not asked.

tranquil kernel
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Somnis should work on anything that Symbol of Sleep does. There’s a bug with the former due to inconsistency in the implementation.

tiny sky
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This has been corrected. #development-announcements message

nova torrent
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Thank you muchly Zissu.

finite scroll
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Thank you Estild and Zissu.

nova torrent
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a question: noticed that the somnis services are going away. just wondering if there's future hope of greater somnis on armor one far off day or not? i'll still put in the suggestion when allowed heh, but just pondering / plotting future duskruins is all 🙂

round leaf
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No promises, but it's still being looked into. I wouldn't expect it on the shelves for February, though, if that helps your decision-making.

mild meadow
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If I have a sephwir bow that is transmuted to somnis. Should the expected item difficulty incrase be a difference of -125? Will the base sighting remain? Trying to plan out a change to a weapon that hasnt had all of the services yet applied

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And does lesser somnis and greater somnis have the same item difficulty?

teal kernel
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Somnis is -150, and you would gain another -100 from the loss of sephwir I believe (for keeping the sighting, but not having that sighting negated by the material)

mild meadow
silver pivot
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it wouldn't quite be that, sephwir has a difficulty so it would change whatever the delta is between sephwirs innate material and somnis then +100 for the CER counting now as not-sephwir. sephwir is.... -25 so it looks like you would go up...
150 - 25 = 125 + 100 = 225 difficulty - lol maths

mild meadow
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Will this shop be refreshed? I would be interested in seeing a light crossbow - especially assuming intermediate transmutes leaving HESS after this run?

nova torrent
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👀

nova torrent
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The oak floor and walls of this efficiency-sized hunting cabin are timeworn, scratched, and pitted, but anyone can see this cabin was built to last.  Utilitarian in nature, the single room has been left unadorned but for a mounted tapir head on the wall directly across from the entrance, and an entire wall has been dedicated to a weapons display.  A stout stool rests next to a small, unlit cast iron stove to the left of the door.  To the right of the door hangs a bloodstained game bag on a wooden hook.  You also see a skewed doorway leading deeper into the shack.
Obvious exits: out
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[go2: travel time: 0:00:01.780]
--- Lich: go2 has exited.
>read tag
You take a closer look at a bloodstained tag.
This bloodstained tag will unlock a somnis armament from lesser (off the shelf) status to "greater".  Greater somnis armaments will resolve their flares (when they fire) before damage is resolved.  If your somnis armament has not yet been altered, this bloodstained tag will add the word "greater" to the item's description.
>anal tag
You take a closer look at a bloodstained tag.
You analyze the bloodstained tag and sense that the creator has provided the following information:
This bloodstained tag will unlock a somnis armament from lesser (off the shelf) status to "greater".  Greater somnis armaments will resolve their flares (when they fire) before damage is resolved, and will leave the target asleep for a follow-up strike.  Greater somnis armaments also have the ability to attempt a flare after the strike should the attempt at a pre-strike flare fail.

To activate this bloodstained tag, hold a lesser somnis armament in one hand, the tag in the other, then RAISE this tag.

You get no sense of whether or not the tag may be further lightened.```

Just for clarity, I'm guessing this is only for weapons?
thorny quiver
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Correct, no greater somnis armor exists as of yet

nova torrent
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One far off day my dreams can come true 🙂

carmine cradle
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Water armor is the way

wheat hemlock
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how long does greater somnis sleep typically last? wondering how it (hypothetically as armor) compares to lathonian

teal kernel
carmine cradle
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So from the weapon, its quite awhile
Until you perform an action

nova torrent
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i never actually timed how long the sleep effect lasts since i'm always attacking

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somnis armor still has a chance of putting attacker to sleep (Very handy if you're getting Mstriked in some form or other situations)

nova torrent
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added greater somnis armor to my "wishlist" for next DR. but not holding my breath

nova torrent
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I'm taking an educated guess the blood tag at Trapper's shop is still only to upgrade lesser somnis weapons and not armor still at this time (though still hoping one day heh)

round leaf
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We'd definitely announce it if and when greater somnis armor becomes available. :)

sharp grove
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I'm not sure if this is common or not, and I'm not sure whos fiddling with this these days, but I just noticed I'm getting this message from flesh golems in RR :

 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis coustille expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the flesh golem, enveloping it entirely! **
 [SSR result: 162 (Open d100: 59)]
   The flesh golem is immune to sleep.
A tenebrous flesh golem goes limp as it is rendered unconscious!
nova torrent
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i'd just bug it in game. might be just the creature but i dont see somnis reacting like that in moonsedge

nova torrent
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if greater somnis armor were to become a thing, i would imagine it would work similer to how Legendary Gemstone Property of Thorns (damage type) works with its flares since those have a chance to hit regardless if hit or not. just a random thought since i'd image the code would be similer though still different.