[Duskruin] - Portable Alcohol Stills

[floral stag]

Tomato .... tobacco .... ? So .... like a Bloody Mary booze but someone mistook your glass for an ashtray and you accidentally took a sip afterwards? Gross.

[bold bane]

I actually put out my “Stump” cigars in my drinks and then drink them for reactions from those who pay attention to the weird thing I do.

[supple torrent]

You have 7 quaffs left.``` Someone may have mentioned this already but the bottles from Still fill the next container up all the way with one pour

[waxen peak]

yeah its a nice, if unexpected, system. I handed a taste to Trallihn I think, full with 14 sips, he poured it into something and gave it back and I accused him of drinking it all lol.

[bold bane]

I mean… I did drink it all eventually.

[floral stag]

Can't be stingy on your pours with these bottles, at least? 🙂

Also you still get the special DRINK and SMELL messaging even if it's poured into a container (unless the container overrides those with its own stuff).

Oh and LICK.

The messages are also slightly different, as you're doing the actions with a smaller container and not a full bottle.

[vital flare]

Has anyone successfully made Braggot, by any chance?

[wanton rain]

There might be a problem. You start to lower a bottle of honey into the boiler of the copper pot still but stop short. Thinking back to the recipe, you are sure you need to be adding "honey or mead" instead.

[vital flare]

||Yeah, and I got a message upon putting a bottle of mead I brewed into it as well||

[waxen peak]

Use a handful of honey or honeycomb. Honeycomb is sold in fwi and also the shop in DR until the tea honey jars are maybe added

[vital flare]

Well, if I get some honeycomb soon, I will have to try a pumpkin pie spice one, since I just found a shaker I had stored away.

[wanton rain]

Neither of these are working for Braggot. They work for mead though. Also no meads in the landing or fwi work.

[floral stag]

I shall have to look into braggot and see why it's not working - not tonight, though. Thanks for your patience. It's probably an oddity with the recipe if it's working for mead.

[wanton rain]

I bugitemed a few things when you've got the time.

[vivid sigil]

Wyvern Wednesday: A Noble Spirit Awards

Where: Lilly's Tavern, Patio (#13927) - Lilly's Tavern is located in the Ravelin, outside of Ta'Vaalor 

What:  All novice and artisan brewers and distillers are going to be put to the test as our judges look to award "The Noble Spirit" 5123. Awards and prizes will be in the multi-millions courtesy of Ilyan Syndicate and Gilded Talon Consortium. There will also be a special prize for 1st place. ```

I want to remind everyone this is coming up this Wednesday so people have time to perfect the ideal beverage!

[wanton rain]

Might have to defend my brewmaster title

[livid thunder]

On average, including Ordim..lol.. how many recipes are u all using. I got 10 cards I think, Wondering if it's enough

[waxen peak]

I'll probably go get them all, but I only picked out the types of booze that I figured i would use regularly - about 7-8 so far

[broken lotus]

I bought all of them cause of FOMO but I mostly will probably make mead, absinthe and stout.

[livid thunder]

Exactly my fear...if I don't by 26 of them...lol

[waxen peak]

They'll be back in August either way, so its not like you'll have to wait long if you suddenly wanted to make something else.

[broken lotus]

Listen, I get older in August...let's not rush things.

[cedar mirage]

I got them all, mainly for nothing else other than to try them all out, but I'll probably end up mostly doing various whiskey or vodka drinks. I did a chocolate liqueur that didn't quite turn out like I thought it would 🤣 as I put the ingredients in the wrong order, so the top note was something other than chocolate

[supple torrent]

So being in the west I mostly make non grain drinks ...which is fine as most of the options I wanted like Brandy, Cider, and Mead were not grain based anyway

[coarse ocean]

Soooo what was the top note?

[cedar mirage]

I am not sure I remember... it was um.. not tasty. I threw the bottle in my trash bin 😅

[floral stag]

Sounds like a waste of booze to me.

[cedar mirage]

My puppy begs for the whiskey in my hand, which I find quite hilarious. Narrator: Erek has fed his puppy whiskey on more than one occasion.

[tiny light]

but then there might be MORE cards 😛

[wanton rain]

I have all 26. I’m probably going to however around absinthe, gin, mead, cider, and herbal liquor

[supple torrent]

I need to grab liquor

[bold bane]

I’m about halfway there… probably just gonna have them all in case I want to make something rather than wish I had it down the line (plus chances are high I’ll just be making various shines and grogs when it’s all said and done)

[livid thunder]

Fine!!!!!! I'll buy them all...ok..ok... Are u happy now

[bold bane]

Did you buy a malting box too?

[floral stag]

But yes - a malting box is probably essential to buy, as well, if you plan on making anything that uses malted grains.

[livid thunder]

Got 3 stills..and all the sundries assssss well...just got more recipe cards too..so I think I'm set

[gloomy sapphire]

Buy extra recipe cards just in case more options are added between now and August?

[waxen peak]

extremely unlikely

[livid thunder]

Can u only make recipes from the cards? Or can you experiment too

[simple spade]

I am a bit late to this conversation, because life has had other plans for me recently, but I wanted to ask if there has been any inquiry regarding custom labels for alcoholic beverages, like the ones produced from stills or wine presses. Perhaps something the papermaker can generate that is affixed to the bottle and shows up in the show or examine description of a custom wine or liquor bottle. I think the wine presses already have some thing in place, but there’s not a lot of customization to it?

[waxen peak]

the noun/type of the alcohol is based on the recipe cards. Aka the foundation/stock/type of booze.
Where you can experiment and make things unique is in the OPTIONAL two flavor messages.

Each type starts with two flavor messages appropriate for the booze, if somewhat generic. You can overwrite both of these by putting in two additional items after the required stuff in the recipe.

Does that make sense?

With still Mirkk, you can add a custom inscription that says whatever you want/get approved. The wine press I was never able to get customized at all, even though it hints at being customizable in the analyze. I'll check my notes for what a GM said could actually be done. I think it was maybe change the color of them?

[blissful ferry]

The wine press either does "Player's Private Reserve" slash pressed cider or puts a custom label on it. You hypothetically can have that customized

There are some private properties with custom labels

[waxen peak]

I gifted mine so its not a hill I'm going to die on, but I was told at least twice I couldn't get the portable wine press label customized in terms of how it looked, do you mean only what is written on the label itself? Or was that recently updated with the conversion to cider press option as well?

[livid thunder]

Yes it does Ordim, your help and dedication to Drunkenness is appreciated by Dwarfs and Halflings throughout the lands..we rejoice you

[simple spade]

So @blissful ferry , in theory, could a paper maker produce a label that overrides the preset label made by the still and or wine presses? Something prettier maybe? And if the answer is yes, I will start a new thread later this evening asking for that customization.

[blissful ferry]

It's not currently supported but that doesn't mean it's a never thing

[blissful ferry]

Cider was never fully implemented. We are looking at correcting that and the analyze notes may be adjusted as well

The labels would just need to be updated to be allowed to be placed on these items. I can pow wow with the appropriate parties (because I would rather use something that already exists than code something new)

[proper solstice]

Are we talking putting labels on from the label-maker, or something? That would be neat.

[simple spade]

(Waited 4.5 minutes to say) Vanah always comes in clutch with add-ons and customizations.

[ruby plume]

Labels are fairly plain though. The possibilities already built into the papermaker (along with the potential from bugs and the flower press) are exciting.

[cedar mirage]

neat idea re: using the papermaker for a custom label

[simple spade]

“Aged in oak barrels at the Bayvel-Timbertree distillery in Glimae’den” (with flowers and stuff)

[wanton rain]

“Aged inside of Jaysehn Ranshai for however old he is, I can’t tell human ages, until the moment of death by beheading.”

[versed axle]

trying to understand why the bottles would be marked permanently? I am guessing to prevent some sort of abuse or just to prevent leaving alcohol all over the place.

[waxen peak]

I can tell you for a fact that the last part is not being stopped by them being marked lol.

[versed axle]

think of the urchins picking up the alcohol....

[bold bane]

Wouldn’t be the first time the orphans got drunk

[waxen peak]

Ardwen told me he doesn't get a lot of mail. I suggest you send him your experiments

[wise galleon]

I have a very odd request for the recipe book. I noticed.. only after the fact.. that the pages are added very specifically in the order in which the recipe cards are applied. For some reason I thought that they would be applied in a preset order on the back end. I would very dearly love to rearrange the pages of my recipe book so they are in alphabetical order instead of.. mostly alphabetical order with a few As and a B at the very end.

[bold bane]

I wish I’d known a little earlier and I would’ve attempted to spell words with the first letter of each booze type. Alas.

[waxen peak]

I think it was brought up previously and Avaluka mentioned looking into it for the future - reorganizing the recipe books. (I can't search threads good)

[supple torrent]

Yea I asked it wasn't an "easy" fix

[wise galleon]

Thanks for letting me know. I have only been very casually following this thread so have missed a ton in it.

[waxen peak]

yeah we went hard in this thread. over 1k posts. Great job everyone!

[spark pike]

not odd at all. Kinda wish the recipe books/cards worked like the FancyBooks, where you could tear out the recipe cards and reorder them at will.

[floral stag]

This is my confirmation that it is definitely on my list to look into as an improvement for the future. You should be able to "TURN <book> TO <noun>" to jump right to a booze type you know, if it helps in the meantime.

[wise galleon]

That doesn't help my OCD!

But thank you, that is very good to hear.

[floral stag]

I have a thought that, if I do manage to code it in, there'd perhaps be an additional verb added to the books to let you alphabetize the cards. Kind of like a 'sort' function. But it's very much on the lengthy to-do list.

[trim scroll]

Spirit Beast Enchiridions have SHAKE to re-sort them, like an etch-a-sketch. It's very helpful.

[cedar mirage]

Just as an aside, sorting in GSL isn't fun. There's no built in process for it (at least there wasn't 20 years ago). GMs typically have to write their own sorting routines to provide that functionality. Kudos to Avaluka for considering it!

[livid thunder]

Yes, GSL isn't a good place for OCD...lol...and seems all these text gamers are OCD...go figure...lol

[blissful ferry]

SHUFFLE

[floral stag]

I had to write a merge sort algorithm from scratch as part of a job interview once - I am sure I'll be fine.

(Man, that was a horrible interview ...)

[pale wedge]

any ETA on the yeast being added to the grocery stores?

[gloomy sapphire]

There should be a bunch stocked in Kelfur’s General Store once the event is over

[waxen peak]

wheat and barley should grow in more areas now:#solhaven message

[floral stag]

That's a nice update. 🙂 Hopefully rye grass had a similar update (I can't remember if it had a similar limited scope, as well).

[tiny light]

Does rice work? Haven't tried it yet

[cedar mirage]

some sake or rice wine would be neat

edit: And wouldn't compete with wine press 😉

[supple torrent]

Sake would be cool

[wanton rain]

Sake would be an awesome future recipe

[blissful ferry]

Quick, someone convince Xynwen into doing a sake doc

[waxen peak]

sake to em

[tiny light]

they drank badly fermented rice moonshine and now they're all bald

[supple torrent]

Sake also isn't technically a wine and I think we have wild rice somewhere....

[floral stag]

I think the potential hurdle would be the word "sake" itself, but I have no idea if something like that has been released before.

[spark pike]

There was sake at Lowai's Bar at Spitfire 2011, I know that's not recent enough to really count but that's the first alcoholic/beverage reference that comes up on the wiki.

[simple spade]

We have Chardonnay and champagne. Some terms I think we should just accept. Katar. Katana are two other non-food examples

[supple torrent]

Erithi brought Katars

[spark pike]

they can have sake too.

[vernal scaffold]

Change it up and have the krol introduce sake.

[tiny light]

I mean, when you've got katana and so on, why split hairs? 😛

[cedar mirage]

I'd be happy with rice wine.

[tiny light]

Japan was somehow grandfathered into "Medieval Europe" when I feel like need like an OJ Simpson legal team to get something Eastern European, North African, or Middle Eastern into the game sometimes. Apples came from Kazakhstan, take all the apples out of the game! 😆

[coarse ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/sacha-baron-cohen-great-success-yay-gif-4185058

[supple torrent]

Sake really isn't wine

[vernal scaffold]

You said that before!

[blissful ferry]

If anyone poured still alcohol into a wedding party glass and noticed that the unlocked wedding verbs disappeared, that has been corrected. Your party glasses will automatically unlock again.

We are still working through a couple of other interactions

[cedar mirage]

is that all party cups or just the ones unlocked all the way to the wedding tier? I think I poured into a regular cup and notice analyze was borked but it seemed to work ok after I drained the cup

edit: Yeah my reading comprehension gets worse as I age.. never mind :D

[craggy canopy]

Yeah, sake is actually more of a beer that a wine. It is brewed.

[queen cradle]

There's actually sake in at least one in-game location already. Captain Algren can calm down

[supple torrent]

I love me some flavored sake

[tiny light]

Well, if it already exists, time to push for shochu and soju instead!

[bold bane]

So, it seems drink containers created as leftovers from a drink don’t especially like still booze (lick/sniff don’t carry over but the analyze shows it does, effects and messaging for flavor do carry over) I’ve submitted all the reports and gone thru the assists. Analyze even advises to assist as part of the messaging as does LICK.

[floral stag]

I know there's an outstanding bug with the request to ASSIST thing in ANALYZE that I was just sitting down to delve into fixing now.

This is fixed - sorry about that! - >smell my jug
You swirl the contents of your skull jug briefly and lift it to your nose, inhaling the scent of the moonshine rising from within.
The aroma of roasted corn mixed with earthy peat permeates your senses; the subtle notes cut through with a faint bite of alcohol.

lick my jug
Cradling the skull jug in both hands, you swirl the moonshine inside before taking a small sip of the liquid. Subtle notes of roasted corn mixed with earthy peat flood over your tongue along with a bite of alcohol.

[floral stag]

^ all fixed.

drink my moonshine
You try but you're just too drunk to do that.

[floral stag]

• The recipe for "braggot" has been wrestled into submission and will now work.
• INSPECT has been adjusted to show a more readable output for the Ingredient #1 and Ingredient #2 section.
• READ/LOOK on the alcohol recipe books will now also use this more readable version of the ingredient name.

[floral stag]

Various foraged berries that were being problematic (such as cloudberry, flaeshorn berry, and more) will now properly let you add them as a flavor infusion and not just as a fruit ingredient.

[bold bane]

Hooray! Thanks for the quick turnaround!

[tiny light]

What about oysters? (I haven't had time to check, so maybe they work now, have hardly had time to brew anything, silly RL)

[floral stag]

Oysters may have to wait until next Duskruin - may be a bit more complex to add. But it's still on the list.

[tiny light]

Sweet! I will buy whatever you add! 😆

[floral stag]

I'm kind of going through the suggestions and compiling a list of flavor infusions that may require more work (IE they may merit the addition of special adjectives, they may have restrictions in some way, etc.) to put aside for next Duskruin, as it may require more coding than should necessarily be done on the fly. The berries were meant to be able to be added as a flavor infusion from day one, though, so that was just a bug fix.

[gloomy sapphire]

Soju is a rice wine, right?

[tiny light]

I'd call it more like rice-made vodka really, though it's not really vodka either

[coarse ocean]

It's a small bottle of fruit-flavored danger.

[near ledge]

Soju, the sneaky awesome drink of hangover.

[spark pike]

Tej?

[gloomy sapphire]

CA ABC considers it a rice wine; don’t need a liquor license to serve it (just beer/wine)

[tiny light]

Yeah, by abv rules, most soju fits a US wine category, but I'd argue it's a distilled spirit and not a wine. You'd make it like you'd make vodka by and large except using rice and some other grains like barely sometimes

[gloomy sapphire]

Alcohol content is much much lower though (source: disappointing bloody marys)

[tiny light]

Depends on the soju. The main brands are wine abv though, yes (well, perhaps more like port level abv)

[wanton rain]

The other contestants of the brewing contest were lucky I could not make this earlier this weak. Twisting off the cork briefly, you wave your glass bottle beneath your nose, inhaling the scent of the braggot rising from within. The aroma of butterscotch mixed with vanilla bean permeates your senses; the subtle notes cut through with a faint bite of alcohol. A sparkling vanilla bean and butterscotch braggot made with vanilla mead.

[vital flare]

My first test was a fig braggot

The aroma of fig mixed with caramel permeates your senses; the subtle notes cut through with a faint bite of alcohol.```

[frail eagle]

I bugged it, because I can't find anything here: I bought honeycomb from Be Still My Hops hoping to use it to make honey-chocolate stout, and I couldn't put it in my still with the flavor infusions. I was worried I'd messed up somewhere, but the chocolate had gone in fine, and raspberries I foraged up quick went in just fine, too.
I did pour my water in FIRST, before anything else, but I'm not sure that makes a difference. (Notes from Ordim are to put in the recipe ingredients and then the water, before adding flavorings.)

However, I do love this:

Bitter with the taste of barley and chocolate, the strong stout flows smoothly over your tongue, the kick of the alcohol giving way to notes of raspberry.```

[real bluff]

Any chance the large acorns that drop from the tree in TSC in the Landing could be made valid ingredients? Couldn't get it to go as a primary or a flavoring

[bold bane]

Yep, we’ve asked for that one. Fingers crossed it makes the cut by next run or sooner.

[floral stag]

That is indeed a bug, I think - honeycomb seems to be working as an ingredient but not as a flavor infusion now. I'll have to see about fixing that later today perhaps. Thanks for the heads-up and sorry if that messed your plans up somewhat!

And do acorns get used in IRL brewing/distilling?

[bold bane]

Yep, they sure do. http://brewers.aethelmearc.org/Acorn_Beer.pdf

[real bluff]

Also acorn liqueurs

[cedar mirage]

the real question being, do they taste like "acorn" or something else? Because that would make for some weird flavor messaging.
The taste of vanilla in the forefront of the <drink> is perfectly balanced by a hint of acorn...

Side question - is it necessary to have drinks made from the still "expire" in terms of freshness? I would think alcohol would last a lot longer than a few days. >drink my rum Twisting off the cork of your glass bottle, you tilt it back and take a quick gulp of the rum inside. It doesn't seem very fresh.

[real bluff]

Especially considering the labels stick a date stamp on them

[gloomy sapphire]

I can see beer expiring, but the hard stuff no not really

[spark pike]

I would think it'd get dispensed in pristine condition to begin with?

[floral stag]

It should be dispensed in pristine condition. I can look into whether or not the decay stuff is being properly setup or if there is some logic to a change.

[pale wedge]

for the alcohol recipes, do the actual "recipe" ingredients need to all be foraged items? or could you use food for corn etc?

[wanton rain]

I've gotten some to food from food I have found. Fruits, premade mead, sugar from tea, honey from tea, have all worked so far. I have not tried the corn on the cob at the rusty cutlass. One moment

[bold bane]

Ooooh! The container material of the still transfers to the keg!

Lifting up your cracked glass tumbler, you take a measured drink of the cider inside. (And while this is a keg question, can the noun of the container it makes be changed via alter ie instead of a tumbler it makes a bottle or a mug or whatnot?)

[wanton rain]

Nope corn on the cob does not work

[cedar mirage]

neither does a grilled ear of corn, if anyone happened to have access to that 😉

[floral stag]

Currently not possible to adjust that via alteration - the container noun pulled from the keg should be different depending on the alcohol noun (if I remember right).

And I can look into potentially allowing food corn to work.

For those food corns - are they all just a noun of "corn"?

[shut musk]

The ones I am aware of yes

[bold bane]

Oooh if it changes based on booze that’s even cooler!

[wanton rain]

One of them in the Rust Cutlass is “cob”

[warm lotus]

Pulled the trigger and bought myself a still with all of the bells and whistles before the clock ticked down on DR. Look forward to sharing some brews with everyone on these cold winter nights. Seems like a very fun item!

makes a note to self to look up what bock and kumys are

[waxen peak]

Kumys is fermented (mares) milk

[wanton rain]

A bock is a malty beer brewed in the fall and drank in the spring. Very dark.

[vernal scaffold]

Or whenever, really

[tiny light]

Now we need the whiskey barrel aging add on

[waxen peak]

pour my whiskey into barrel
RT 600000 seconds
You wait patiently while the whiskey ages in the barrel.

[bold bane]

Certain woods can be added as flavored for that profile.

[coarse ocean]

Annnd now I'm going foraging again.

[tiny light]

There any cherry blossoms in game? A cherry blossom lager or some such sounds wonderful

[vivid sigil]

Maybe at the embassies in TI? Also Alastir's house has some.

[floral stag]

Yes - there is supposed to be a thing where you can add wood to make it "aged" with certain woods. There seems to be a bit of a bug with that and it's not accepting as many woods as I had anticipated, so I have to look into fixing that. But essentially you should be able to unlock "<wood>-aged" or "<wood>-matured" adjectives if you use wood as one of the flavor infusions.

[wanton rain]

Yes but it might work like Orange blossom and just infuse cherry.

[waxen peak]

time to stuff wood in the still

[cedar mirage]

ok wow.. mind blown about the stills again 😄

[coarse ocean]

#game-chatter message

[waxen peak]

so does the wood infusion currently work or is that one of the things coming down the pipe?

[floral stag]

It is supposed to but there is currently a minor bug preventing it from working - should hopefully be addressed by the weekend.

[waxen peak]

Awesome, thank you - no rush just wanted to clarify as I heard people weren't able to make it work yet.

[wanton rain]

Pine works right now via pine needles. But I will hold off on further testing since you already know about it. I was about to try forging wood blocks.

[floral stag]

Yeah, I think that is the only thing that is working; it should be more options but it's being weird.

[wanton rain]

Or does it make things easier for you if I bugitem all the things I tried?

[bold bane]

And pine cones too.

[wanton rain]

I suspected they wood

[supple torrent]

I saw what you did there

[floral stag]

Please don't BUGITEM woods - I know they don't work and it'll just flood me with bug reports. Heh.

[wanton rain]

I woodn't want to do that to you. I'll just wait patiently and move on to the next project.

[bold bane]

So, you’re saying you’re gonna stick around?

[wanton rain]

Yeah no reason to twig out about it

[livid thunder]

Slow down yer barking..ok

[surreal crest]

salutes understood. stepped back wee bit from bugging for the still 😄 . Went a little nutty with flowers and berry things in the beginning. 🥃 🌼

[bold bane]

If one flower is adding another flower’s flavor profile, should I bug item the flower? (In this case the flame-edged violet hibiscus on KF adds violet instead of hibiscus flavor- looks like it’s grabbing the color and applying it as the flower)

[wanton rain]

Oh that’s interesting. Most hibiscus is adding hibiscu for me

[bold bane]

I was just about to post about that. Mmmm hibiscu

[blissful ferry]

That kind of thing...I think you're just going to have to accept

[waxen peak]

Can we unfix "star" flavoring? =3
(and passion)

[wanton rain]

I bugitemed a few a while back

[cedar mirage]

I had a large milk chocolate bar infuse "milk" instead of "chocolate" and I sort of liked it, heh

[shut musk]

gags slightly at the thought of milky beer

[cedar mirage]

Bailey's!

[real bluff]

There are a number of milk stouts that use lactose in their brewing: https://lefthandbrewing.com/beers/milk-stout

[waxen peak]

Sounds like a few people just not wanting to submit to the Kumys lifestyle...

[floral stag]

Mmm. The violet hibiscus may be a difficult thing to "fix", as Vanah sort of alluded to. I believe it's because "violet" is another flower that is OK for flavoring and it's picking up on that instead. May have to try a different color hibiscus for hibiscus flavor and leave it at that.

Silly flowers that are actually color names, too.

[spark pike]

so no lilac hibiscus.

[floral stag]

I forget if I have lilacs as something you can flavor with, but that'd probably be something to steer clear of.

[proper solstice]

I bought a peanut butter brownie from a shop and got a "peanut butter" flavor. It was cool! Now I wonder if I can put a brownie in and get peanut butter brownie.

[wanton rain]

I think if the brownie has no adjectives it should work

[broken lotus]

peanut butter brownie stout

[coarse ocean]

Actually my favorite milk stout, it's amazingly smooth.

[floral stag]

Unfortunately it will always just be "peanut butter". Brownie is not really a flavor. It'll pick up the peanut butter for sure, though.

[supple torrent]

Brownie is not really a flavor. blasphemy

[tiny light]

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/47802/600280/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwju-qPX4dT9AhV4AjQIHfCEA8cQFnoECAAQAg&usg=AOvVaw06wt6d5ULxKlWaRMhL9TtQ

[surreal crest]

I've used lilacs! It worked nicely

[floral stag]

Honeycomb will now properly give the flavor of "honey" if you use it as a flavor infusion.

The missing messaging for adding blood with the Bloodletting Bowls has been rectified, as well.

[cedar mirage]

Hurray!

[frail eagle]

Thank you!

[bold bane]

Yay! Blood and Honey!

[coarse ocean]

This sounds like a gritty Winnie the Pooh remake.

[solemn pasture]

Whatever you do, don't google that.

[bold bane]

It is.

[boreal gazelle]

Forgive me if I've missed it, I'm late to the distilling game:

Is there a running list of forageable flavor addition requests? I was sad that moonflower doesn't seem to be a flavor trap. Moonflower wine is in the lore, distilling it would be fun for Reasons

[floral stag]

I want to say I have seen someone ask for moonflower. But I was unaware of any Lore implications of it being used - that's good to know.

[boreal gazelle]

It's from the Language of Flowers doc 🙂

Moonflower: A surprisingly strong wine with a sweet, strange scent can be made from the flowers of the moonflower vine. This directly led to the Ta'Ardenai designation of moonflower as a symbol of forgetfulness--for those who go to sleep drunk on moonflower wine rarely remember the prior night when morning comes

[wise galleon]

Clearly moonflower also has to have an automatic +10 alcohol potency

[frosty phoenix]

I've been trying to add oak for flavor but haven't yet found any oak that works. Anyone having luck with adding woods? Oak forging blocks and foraged oak twigs both don't seem eligible.

[coarse ocean]

Avaluka said a couple of woods work but she’s going to see what’s going on with the rest of them.

[frosty phoenix]

thanks! I'll try again at some point and hope it gets working.

[floral stag]

Yep - I have a fix in for this, but I had to rejigger a few things and want to wait to have it given a look over and it's not live yet. So it may be a bit. Apologies! Pine currently works with pine cones and pine needles, though. I'll post here when things are a-ok.

[civic oxide]

The stalk of celery doesn't seem like it'd be a good addition to the brass still.
The red tomato doesn't seem like it'd be a good addition to the brass still.
bloody mary dreams - SHOT

[livid thunder]

how do u see whats IN the still after you Flip STill to change names and flavor order? and can you remove a flavor once adding it?.... ahh INSPECT to see what is in it

[livid thunder]

Hopefully we can find some Tomatoes that work. Orange Tomato works, but its an Orange Flavor, red, green dont. Tried a dish from a bar, and wont work.... But I did get BACON to work.... Heck YAAAAAA!!!

[waxen peak]

INSPECT the still after you but the base ingredients in, it will give you a VERY detailed list of information (sorry see you found it lol)

[livid thunder]

I need Tomato!!!! Glancing around furtively, you discreetly twist off the cork of your glass bottle and take a secretive nip of the vodka inside. Subtle notes of bacon mixed with blood flood over your tongue along with a bite of alcohol

[real bluff]

Blood should give that same iron tang tomato would have

(Also yes, let me brew a michelada in a can)

[livid thunder]

but it dosent say Tomato... like a Bloody Mary

[floral stag]

I mean, you technically don't distill a Bloody Mary from the beginning. But I see what you mean. Tomato seems like an oversight on an allowable infusion.

[wanton rain]

It seems like there is also a market for a cocktail creator with recipes

[wanton rain]

But ingredients into like a cocktail shaker, shake, and then enjoy.

[blissful ferry]

The plan is, eventually, to have a juicer and a cocktail shaker / punch bowl that allows you to mix ingredients like the wedding bartender

[spark pike]

we need a new category of restaurant: bar&bakery

[blissful ferry]

Avaluka has made my job immensely easier with her hard work here

[wanton rain]

The survivalist satchel suggests an Elanthian blender exists

[floral stag]

To be fair, Vanah made my job easier with her ice cream churn and signature wedding drinks, so it's all full circle, I suppose.

[livid thunder]

Tomato 🍅 tomorrow then 🤔

[wanton rain]

The wedding system sounds like it could be used for some rad theme parties.

[livid thunder]

KEGGER!!!!!!! 🍻🍺🍻

[bold bane]

Gross mix ins and comparability with the bug/sea bug system please! (Maybe garnishes could be like veolas)

[wanton rain]

Can someone post the image of Aragorn in the Prancing Pony but with a colorful tropical drink.

[cedar mirage]

OMG WHAAT? The wedding bartender rocks. If this comes more to stills that's absolutely fantastic.

[blissful ferry]

We don't normally discuss plans because they don't always come to fruition, but this is a request that is entirely reasonable to want to complement the still so I want to make sure you know we know

[cedar mirage]

So ok, just to maybe coax a bit more info ... 😉 Is the ultimate result ending up more like the messaging in the wedding drinks, where we have an alcohol type, infusion 1, infusion 2 which already exist in the stills, but then you're adding infusions 3 and 4, which right now is the big diff between the two? And would you then add garnish? (I realize that's a lot of info to dump.)

For those that don't know, you can end up with some very complex signature drinks in the wedding system that are fantastic (sorry not at a computer with a log or I'd post one), and they can be concocted by the bartender based on what flavor you'd like to infuse, including garnish.

And while I like that they're available in the wedding system, as a past (and probably future) wedding/party buyer, I have zero problem with those being more available even though they're part of the package cost for the weddings.

[blissful ferry]

Yeah, my plan is for you to add alcohol made in the stills, juice you squeeze or whatever mixer you get from wherever, and then a garnish

[cedar mirage]

I'm so excited. Can't wait. We can all become Mixologists!!

[blissful ferry]

The plan was to have it done in time for the auction. Anti teaser: there is no punch bowl in the auction

[wanton rain]

Oh so not for wide release like the still?

[blissful ferry]

Kind of more like the ice cream churn, which has a basic option and an auction option

[wanton rain]

There are basic ice cream churns available?

[spark pike]

...not that I'm aware of.

[blissful ferry]

Did I...never release that

I think the ones in private properties are the basic kind, they require that you provide rhimar and milk and don't have the flavour carousel

I think I had a baby...and then a second baby...and didn't realize it didn't go out with the shop

[wanton rain]

Yeah they are only available at auctions. Unless there are some standing ones not in private property.

[supple torrent]

Wait there's rhimar in my ice cream?

[blissful ferry]

Rhimar chills your ice cream

[boreal gazelle]

No packing ice and pouring salt for us in Elanthia, no sir. Magic.

Edit for Feature Creep: Mudslides?

[spark pike]

new shop at RW?!
No, there was no ice cream shop. But you HAVE A THING to put in a new shop at RW.

[blissful ferry]

...did the ice cream shop go out? Have you seen an ice cream shop

[cedar mirage]

Vanah it's spiraling! Abort, Abort!

[blissful ferry]

Did I fever dream this

[floral stag]

I don't remember an ice cream shop, but I haven't been all that attentive.

[blissful ferry]

Spoiler alert I guess!

[floral stag]

But think of the tie-ins you could have with the churns, too - you could make boozy floats with the still alcohol! <feature creep>

[blissful ferry]

Would ROLTON milk make special ice cream? Someone get Xynwen in here to write some documentation

[floral stag]

I mean, goat milk and sheep milk have a different flavor profile than cow milk IRL, so ....

[wanton rain]

Uhh what event was it supposed to be at? I think I just became a folk hero.

[blissful ferry]

I don't even remember, it was like 6 years ago

[spark pike]

Guessing EG then. Well, it could be at RW this year!

[wanton rain]

It was always kind of a little weird that there were less than a handful of them and they went for like 100 million

[spark pike]

...this kind of makes me wonder if an ice cream churn could be a PP cert add on for the EG shop or the DR cart.

[blissful ferry]

Not a cert

Jumping the gun, more to come there

But if you have an expansion cert, you could just add storage space and put the churn on it

Bing bang boom

It being whatever counter or table or wherever you would want to put it on

[cedar mirage]

Vanah also just teased expansion cert changes... 😄

[blissful ferry]

What? No, that already existed

[wanton rain]

Well, I'm definitely relieved about hearing that cocktail thing has an auction version and a regular version coming. And also that non auction icecream is coming.

[spark pike]

I think the expansion cert Vanah's referring to is storage capacity expansion, at EG. We, on the other hand, are going room expansion, like, build a room onto our property. Totally different thing.
(NGL, I don't even have my property yet and I bought...a LOT of expansion certs. And a few other things.)

[blissful ferry]

Ahhhh ok. Yes. The container deepener cert

[cedar mirage]

Yeah I took that the wrong direction. That makes more sense. (Also I hate this 5 min timer.)

[spark pike]

...so we're gonna see an ice cream churn shop at RW with bottles of different kinds of milk (rolton, gak, cow, etc) and toppings, right? Yeah, I'm gonna run now.

[blissful ferry]

Spoilers

[supple torrent]

Moonflower ice cream to make moonflower infused ale

[waxen peak]

please to be starting a thread/forum post so I can feature creep this. thank you in advance.
There was one limited event where I believe the non auction churns were sold or were a prize

I will negotiate churn changes in a dedicated thread

[blissful ferry]

Do you have feature requests for the churns? I think there are some things I need to update. Plus the obviously egregious omission of caramel

I guess I should start a new thread

[spark pike]

Yes, yes you should.

[blissful ferry]

I'll do it in like 2 weeks after the auction

[supple torrent]

You got Ordim and Vyrsh there's gonna be epic ideas

[waxen peak]

I said NEGOTIATE, I have concerns, and one demand

[spark pike]

waits for 5 minute timer
...the entire crafting server is being drafted. There will be Ideas(tm).
...
Can we toss toppings at other people a la foodfight? Or >pour churn on [name] and drench them in milk/ice cream/toppings?
Can the ice cream cones made with churns be wearable (on your nose)? I don't know if they are currently, but I do know you could temporarily wear the ice cream cones from the ice cream shop at EG waaaaay back when.

[floral stag]

Is the demand to be able to directly dump the toppings from the churn into your mouth or is that already a thing?

[waxen peak]

TWO Demands... lol
Ok i'm going to start the churn thread
https://discord.com/channels/226045346399256576/1085963071849238609

[vital flare]

Churning the churn

[wanton rain]

It looks like my feature request of releasing them at a paid event is happening so I'm kind of chuffed already.

[supple torrent]

Is there a shop in the landing that sells yeast?

[wanton rain]

Yeah at the bazaar is a grocer

[blissful ferry]

URCHIN PLACES GROCER

[wanton rain]

In the Landing the grocer is the baker and the grocer is something else

[blissful ferry]

Swear

I'll check that out

[frail eagle]

@blissful ferry your URCHIN GUIDE GROCER in the Landing works perfectly
unless something changed in the last 2 weeks

[wanton rain]

Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the map and shops names.

[supple torrent]

Lol yea the landing does have a lot of possible shops that could have it hence the ask, the bazaar and urchin both got me pointed in the right direction

[waxen peak]

did we talk about Cognac at all in here? It seems to always keep grape flavor (makes sense its made from wine etc)
Also, the blapple leads to weird sentence structure, like it should have a comma instead of two "ands"
Dry with only a hint of sweetness, the grape flavor of the cognac is enhanced by its aroma of blood and flesh and tobacco.

[floral stag]

An update has rolled live to fix the issue with woods not being allowed. I rejiggered a few things behind the scenes to make things a bit easier - hopefully nothing weird will result from this. I didn't notice anything in testing, though.

You drop an oak stick into the boiler of the copper pot still.
The scent of oak wafts up from the copper pot still as you stir the contents, the dark brown mash churning with the motion.

[livid thunder]

Are we getting tomatoes soon too?????

[floral stag]

It's on my list to look into. I've got a long list, though. lol.

[livid thunder]

we lost an S in lemongrass ```>get ale
You remove a bottle of lemongras ale from in your bean green carryall.

Glancing around furtively, you discreetly twist off the cork of your glass bottle and take a secretive nip of the ale inside. Subtle notes of lemongras mixed with peppercorn flood over your tongue along with a bite of alcohol.``` an hour ago

[blissful ferry]

Did you make that within the past week or longer, do you remember

[livid thunder]

an Hour ago ish.... Tick Tick Tick goe the Timer....lol

[floral stag]

Huh. I thought I accounted for that.

[blissful ferry]

I thought so too

[livid thunder]

do I win a fast Track for Tomatoes for my discovery ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[floral stag]

I think I see the problem.

It is fixed - any future lemongrass things should not be missing an "S". That existing bottle you have is kind of going to need an ASSIST to fix unless you want to just drink it all up or toss it.

[wanton rain]

What about hibiscus becoming hibiscu?

[floral stag]

Same bug - also addressed.

I've had a lot of other things I've been clearing off my plate the past week, so I haven't had the time to go through the list of suggested additional flavor infusions. Hopefully I'll have some time to do so over the weekend. 🙂

[wanton rain]

Cool. I’m just going to trash my old hibiscus stuff and make new

[blissful ferry]

There was one more...

[floral stag]

Moss. Which turns into "peat".

Like when you put charcoal in, the actual flavor is "smoke".

In essence, the bug was having difficulties with flavors that ended in "s" but were not actually plurals. 🙂 Thankfully there are only 3 of those.

[wanton rain]

I may have sent some broken hibiscus to an NPC. Their problem now.

[cedar mirage]

dang I keep forgetting about charcoal

[floral stag]

An excuse to go to the kobold mines again!

[cedar mirage]

bonfires all over the world need to be a reliable source 😄

[livid thunder]

BACON!!!

[bold bane]

Bacon definitely works

[civic oxide]

did we get caramel sauce yet?

[wanton rain]

Someone with a candy tin might be able to assist.

[supple torrent]

* Alcohol 15/15/15: a bottle of,(adjective),(alcohol noun) has anyone played with this line yet?

[floral stag]

I think a few people - some alcohol was in the Kudos thread from a contest and there were a few in there with custom bottles (a ewer, etc.)

As long as it's something that could feasibly have a top/stopper/lid of some sort and can be considered a fairly big container of liquids (so no mugs or steins), it should be okay.

[real bluff]

I know of at least three people who've had it altered (I should add that altering the bottle seems to break the datestamp feature)

[frosty phoenix]

mine is: a flagon of oak-aged bourbon marked with scrawled dwarven script. And now that you mention it, the date stamp is kinda busted. Says the year 3100.

[real bluff]

Just the most incredible vintages

[spark pike]

breaking the datestamp is a bonus!

[frosty phoenix]

3100 is a wonderful vintage

[floral stag]

The date bug has been on my list to delve into. That's interesting to know if it's only altered bottles that are getting the borked dates, though!

Might help narrow down where the issue is appearing.

[frail eagle]

Some of my non-altered bottles have 3100 on them.
Stamped into the glass of the bottle's base is Traiva's brewing mark and the year 3100.

And I think I found more of it for you - the bottle above doesn't have any of the effects, but a bottle of beer with the spicy effect has the right year:
Stamped into the glass of the bottle's base is Traiva's brewing mark and the year 5123.

[floral stag]

The plot thickens! 🙂 Thank you for the extra data points. I'll hopefully have some time this week to look into it. Oddly it worked with all my test bottles, so I was a bit surprised to see some cropping up with the odd date. I'm hoping it's just a weird quirk that's an easy fix. I suspect the dates on each bottle are fine ... it's just reading the information incorrectly on some of them for whatever reason.

[frail eagle]

it amuses me greatly. I may even be disappointed when it's fixed 😆

[floral stag]

I am glad it is providing some amusement, at least, while it still remains at-large. Heh.

[waxen peak]

Lean into it and make the date always random unless set static by alteration lol

[simple spade]

Lore needs to be written to explain why in 3100 so many folks produced all that hooch.

[gloomy sapphire]

Does anyone know what the command is to use the spigot of fluorite that was sold in this shop to sober up? I...tested too much this evening.

[broken lotus]

Has anyone found a maple syrup or maple something that works in the still?

[bold bane]

Candy from the treat making tin. I had some maple bacon vodka pretty early on. Look in the basket at Greth’s; I usually have a pretty good pile of candy there. If not, I’ll drop by later and astral vault up my tin and see if I can’t get lucky and make a piece of maple candy.

[broken lotus]

Great!!! Thanks!

[bold bane]

Alright as of this morning there is one piece of maple divinity candy inside the gatherer’s basket (took a pair of tries with the tin) Each bite is a flavoring. Also plenty of mocha, pecan, and cinnamon too. And a piece of fudge.

[broken lotus]

i grabbed a piece earlier this morning and was able to make what i wanted! Thank you!

[broken lotus]

But I"m still putting a request out into the void that maple syrup become available at the grocery stores!

[spark pike]

...maple syrup, maple sugar, maple candy...

[livid thunder]

Maple bacon at Companion Park in WL on the cart adds Maple Flavor to the stills

And we need TOMATOES!!!!!!!

[livid thunder]

So Planning a Food and drinks event for my MHO...Making Bacon with BACON

Any chance purty please 🥺 that we can get a tomato 🍅 flavor in the next couple weeks.

I know a lot is going on with events...butt....buttttt...buttttttttt.... We'd all love you more than we already do Avaluka ❤️🥰😍😘😘😘😘

[bold bane]

Tomato is already on the list for flavors to add if my memory serves me correctly (along with oysters, fish, and acorns)

[livid thunder]

That is correct...I'm just begging and pleading for it sooner than later

[floral stag]

Hey brewer peoples! If you have any recommendations for new alcohol recipes (IE: actual nouns) that the still cannot yet create ... please feel free to throw out ideas here. It should be a type of brewed or distilled alcohol that is not wine (though distilled spirits with wine as a base ingredient are fine). Regional/foreign language terms may be a bit iffy, but best to suggest and I can sift through things for feasibility. This also includes any Elanthian-specific alcohol nouns (if any).

[supple torrent]

Do you have a spit beer?

[livid thunder]

Spicy Tomato Vodka with Bacon 🥓🥓🥓🥓 aka Bloody Mary 🤤

Bacon works from a few places, maple bacon is maple though which is amazing

So TOMATO, of course is the noun currently not available

[wise galleon]

Chartreuse.

[floral stag]

That's more an adjective/flavor! 🙂 It's on my list. I'm looking for new nouns, AKA like "vodka" or "scotch". I did a pretty exhaustive scouring of stuff to begin with but I figured I may have missed some.

[livid thunder]

My bad...❤️

[supple torrent]

Boza

Pulque is an option I mentioned before, its historically one culture but its old old

[frail eagle]

Someone REALLY wants to be able to make tomato drinks... 🍅

What about jerkum?
Some aficionados in American craft beverages have started to use "jerkum" as a broader term encompassing the alcoholic drink produced from any unadulterated fermented stone fruit (e.g., nectarine, peach, apricot, pluot).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_jerkum

I'd also like to request schnapps and ouzo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schnapps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouzo

[vital flare]

Metheglin, hydromel, melomel, bochet, acerglyn, rhodomel, hippocras, pyment, just to name a few.

[spark pike]

cyser
applejack
jenever
sambuca
zinavia
arak
mezcal
tej
pilsner/pilsener
caium
kasiri
chambord

Is the restriction against wine against the noun wine or all types of wine? Because we could add things like port, sherry, vermouth

[floral stag]

I am steering clear of all kinds of wine for now due to the wine press.

[spark pike]

👍

[vernal scaffold]

Have you tried pulque? It's so gross! Please add it to the list, Avaluka!

Do we have airag? Mare's milk liquor. I don't know how you would make it in a still. Centaur hide?

[floral stag]

I have it on a list to look into it more. It probably being a foreign word maybe a strike against it, but we'll see!

I thought pilsner may be too modern, but apparently there is a Pilsner Avenue in Icemule ... so ... ? That's weird.

[spark pike]

basically my rule of thumb making my list of additions was "if I've heard of it, it's getting requested."

[supple torrent]

I have had Metheglin, I thought it was a spiced wine...did not know it was a flavored mead.

[wanton rain]

Chartreuse, metheglin, Malort, soju, sake, applejack, Baja blast, pastis, Sochu, arak

[real bluff]

What is the Elanthian equivalent of Chicago? Trying to think of where Malort would appear from, like some leak in the Demon Wall

[wanton rain]

Solhaven

[real bluff]

I figure Solhaven was more like Baltimore, with Vornavis as DC

[iron pivot]

I'm sure the Pilsner's are fine and upstanding members of the Icemule community with a long and storied history. Any modern reference to their name is either pure coincidence or perhaps, intended as an honorarium to their great "yet to be discovered in our time" deeds and philanthropy.

[wise galleon]

Solhaven does have a monopoly on Old Solhaven Bay spice blend already, yes.

[wooden axle]

lambic, dram, rakija, cachaça, grappa (wine-adjacent but technically a distillate)
e: amaro

i'm equally appalled and delighted that you sadists are campaigning for malort

[spark pike]

so you're saying Solhaven is Maryland.

[spark pike]

I'm reading an article from the Chicago Sun Times about how people described the taste of it. It's hilarious and horrible.

[pallid laurel]

It is one of the most vile substances known to man

[supple torrent]

Well now I want to try it

[floral stag]

Malort seems like it had the term coined in like the 1930s, so it may be too recent. It sounds quite nasty, though. Heh.

[wanton rain]

Wormwood liquor could be close enough

[supple torrent]

I would like to think we wouldn't have to be TOO restrained on timelines with drinks, we never let history stop us on foods. Now I am not saying we should have asian-soul food fusion or dip & dot icecream (obviously the icecream of the future) but Pilsner for instance does not have anything that would stop someone from making it earlier in history...its just no one did or if they did it was forgotten. Malort seems like a mess but I can see someone else making some other snake oil like drink that we just don't have anymore. In fact a few terrible drinks would be nice.

[coarse ocean]

some other snake oil like drink
this is how you summon Ordim

[pallid laurel]

Malort is like what it'd taste like if black licorice were capable of vile bodily functions. This very brief description is pretty on-track: gasoline, grapefruit, sweat, wax, fire, mineral oil, and bitterness

[waxen peak]

I looked up Theriac again just in case it was fermented, it is not always. It would be better for some sort of animal based liquid extractor
hmm well actually... maybe it could work?

Theriac really isn't an alcoholic drink though. Live brain ramblings now. There is probably a better fit for theriac somewhere else sometime else.
I'm not sure if there is a good snake oil booze?

[waxen peak]

Anyone say Advocaat?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocaat
Eggs, sugar and brandy, ~17th century

[wooden axle]

things do seem pretty lax in that regard. i've come across a few anachronistic beverages so far, and the word 'cocktail' itself didn't take on it's current meaning until the late 19th century

[floral stag]

There are quite a few things that probably got into the game in the olden times and have just stuck around despite the timeframe oddities. I'm still making note of everything being suggested (thanks again, all, as I doubt I'd have been able to think of half of these so far).

If you know of any Elanthian alcohol nouns, as well, let me know. I already know of the ones in the recent Forest Gnome information and some other recent lore documents, but I'm unsure if others from older lore may exist.

[bold bane]

Been on vacation- noun I wouldn’t mind seeing-Mash

[spark pike]

Get you drunk faster

[iron pivot]

We need to find a way to work smooth stones into the flavor profile as well.

[spark pike]

...new meaning to on the rocks?

[floral stag]

Alcohol bottles created from the still will no longer all have the year 5100 on them and should properly have 5123 on them now.

[supple torrent]

Seems like a temporary fix

[floral stag]

I mean .... whenever we hit 5124, they'll start having 5124 on them. Haha. I didn't hard code it to 5123.

[bold bane]

Guess I’ll have to hang on to my last bootleg bottle of 3100 grog.

[icy star]

I know Chianti is a real-world region and type of wine, but if it were available I'd be obligated to find fava beans.

[floral stag]

Wormwood has been fixed - it now properly can be added as a flavor and not just used as an absinthe ingredient.

[civic oxide]

I'd like to request some sort of crate to store maybe 10 bottles of liquor from the still, maybe more if someone is feeling generous.

[spark pike]

a booze-in-ator!
Something like the wine crates from A Taste of Turamzzyr?

[waxen peak]

There is certainly a benefit to having a case of bottles, but don't forget you can get basically any keg, doesn't have to be unlimited, and fill it with your still mixture
Just don't let it run out, just keep refilling it and overwriting whatever is in there

[civic oxide]

that's great advice, thank you!

[cedar mirage]

A basketifier-style portable bar would be awesome though 😉

[frail eagle]

Ummm...

>l in basket
In the willow basket:
Food/Drink [23]: {some stuff}, a bottle of plum-laced brandy, {more stuff}
Total items: 23
>tap brandy
You tap a bottle of plum-laced brandy in a round willow basket woven with sheer jade and gold ribbons.
>l brandy
You see nothing unusual.
Stamped into the glass of the bottle's base is Traiva's brewing mark and the year 3123.
>get brandy
You pour yourself a bottle of plum-laced brandy.
>drink brandy
Twisting off the cork of your glass bottle, you tilt it back and take a quick gulp of the brandy inside.
The tiny bubbles rising from the brandy tickle your nose.
You have 14 quaffs left.```

[spark pike]

...!

[surreal crest]

just make table lookie like a bar

[floral stag]

How did you get that bottle in the basket? That is not allowed.

Or I should say, the bottles from the still are supposed to be blocked from going into the Basketifier.

[iron pivot]

With enough alcohol, everything is possible.

[frail eagle]

I just put it in. It was a while ago - I don't think I was really thinking much about it, figured I'd see what happened.
I do want to remove it, though, since it has the bubbly/burp effect. But let me know if I need to keep it in for a while so you can check what's going on.

[broken lotus]

Would this work with the keg you gave Grutak? Because if so, I'm filling it with the maple vanilla bourbon he likes! LOL!

[bold bane]

The keg unlock is one of the cooler things- something to consider when altering your still-the “material” of your container the still makes transfers over to the tumbler for the keg.

[surreal crest]

that sounds so, so good waits for her jug 🤤 I'm still hoping to make bubbly moonflower moonshine that makes the world belch uncontrollably.

[civic oxide]

Maybe

[broken lotus]

Guess i'll have to test it! I"ll have to tell him to hand over Karl the Keg. LOL

[civic oxide]

let me know

[floral stag]

Can you BUGITEM your basket and explain that you had been able to add a bottle of alcohol from the still to the basket? Once you have a BUGITEM in, please remove the bottle.

Also as a general note - I am partway through finishing compiling flavor/taste suggestions for the stills. If anyone has a taste/flavor they haven't been able to add but wanted to (but didn't BUGITEM something), feel free to just make a suggestion here. I may end up posting the outstanding suggestion list I've got compiled so people know what's on the list already.

[spark pike]

...is honeysuckle on the list?

[floral stag]

Not yet. But I am only partway through looking at prior suggestions. I can add it!

[supple torrent]

I'm here for the moonflower

[blissful ferry]

There were a few weeks when you could stuff things in the basketifier before scripted food got locked down

So if it was in October, that might explain it

[frail eagle]

I've been trying to add starfruit I foraged up in Mist Harbor, and I can't 😢 specifically: a ridged orange-yellow starfruit
I've also put in the BUG report and yanked out my brandy. The stills were just released in February; I didn't have a basketifier until March or April so it was sometime then that I was able to put it in. (And hey, I have an extra slot free now!)

[floral stag]

Thank you. Is it "starfruit" with no space?

[frail eagle]

it is! (and star fruit is so yummy...)

[floral stag]

Also is moonflower indicated in lore somewhere as used in drinks?

[floral stag]

That must be the issue. I think it's supposed to be "star fruit" with a space and the still is keyed to look for that, not "starfruit" all one word.

[supple torrent]

Yes several wines...I should say there are several wines and other drinks that reference moonflower....not so much a lore doc.

[frail eagle]

I was having an issue foraging for it for a while - when I typed FORAGE STARFRUIT, it gave me a mango instead. I have no idea if that's part of the thing with it. (But man, I'd love to make a kiwi-starfruit drink, I'm so sad Starbucks discontinued this flavor of Refresher.)

[floral stag]

I will investigate the star fruit vs. mango thing.

[broken lotus]

I would just like a whole bunch of different flavor syrups.

[spark pike]

whispers and a flavor carousel to put them in.

[waxen peak]

points everyone to the ice cream churn thread

[civic oxide]

can we put brown sugar in the stills yet?

[floral stag]

Brown sugar is on my list of suggested flavors.

[supple torrent]

Hints of Moonflower and Brown Sugar

[floral stag]

I am curious what other "gross" flavors people may want other than "oyster".

[waxen peak]

@bold bane someone asked THE QUESTION

Avaluka - I'll think about this some based on what is readily available in the game. I fear we might often hit the wall of "thats something that would just be floating in the drink but maybe not contribute to the flavor" like the bugs/worms discussed here early on.
Eyeballs probably don't have a specific distinct flavor so much as a texture? They are readily available via the eye scry monocles.
Meat basically leads back to blood which is already there
Furs/pelts maybe? but that is again kind of more a texture maybe?
Moss/Mushrooms expanded maybe? I think there is a limited amount of each right now that work but probably all lead back to an "earthy" flavor

[bold bane]

Fish, cigars (different than tobacco, think like a cigar snuffed in the drink; although this could be more like the bug floating in the jar situation, less flavor and more surprise there’s something in the bottle) Sulphur (maybe matches for the ingredient there) socks for feet flavor… I really like the idea of adding something post distillation to the jar (eyeballs, bugs, gems, rocks, etc)

[waxen peak]

Fish from fishing makes sense, even if they all just add a fishy/salty taste. Generally speaking, fish is a very distinct flavor. fresh or salt water, in my experience.

[tiny light]

Oyster stouts are tasty! They don't taste like oysters really, just brine-y saline-y dryness added in a bit

[bold bane]

Rusty doorknobs (and other metal trash items) for rust flavor…

[spark pike]

bent coins..

[iron pivot]

I once had a bartender describe a beer I was inquiring about as "A** in a glass". Maybe someone wants to recreate that taste experience in game?

[bold bane]

Sounds like the “Drowned Manticore” I made at EG. Bug me if you spot me in game, it’s pretty awful. As is most of the stuff in the new-ish eatery in Solhaven.

[floral stag]

I do agree fish has a distinct taste, but the question there would be how best to know you're adding a fish. Would have to capture different types of fish names that would appear in the names of the food, I suppose. (Theoretically - we're just brainstorming here.)

Mushrooms are currently on the suggestion list already.

Moss I don't think would be easy to expand - all moss you put in becomes a "peat" flavor, as that is a very normal flavor note you hear described for various types of alcohol.

[waxen peak]

I think Iskandr hit on it a bit better than I did. It would probably be a distinct salty or, for a lack of a better descriptive word, "fishy" taste. If there isn't a more accurate wording or a specific, distinct fish, any fish/seafood should turn into "fishy" or similar.

[floral stag]

Yep. That is my thought; the question is how best to teach the still to know what all a "fish" is. If it became a thing, it'd probably have to be similar to the woods and have to have a list to work off of for accepted "fish" things.

[waxen peak]

I have to get out of the habit of assuming that items in games are classified as things on the back end. I just kind of assumed that the fish you pull out of fishing are somehow marked as "fish" items for purposes like this. Oh, I wonder if "filet" might be helpful? when you cut a fish with a knife/dagger, it makes X-filets, not sure if thats helpful or causes issues with random food having "filet" in it?

[floral stag]

Haven't looked into the system, so I have no idea.

The trick is there could be regular old food not from fishing that is fish, as well. 🙂

[floral stag]

OK. Current list of suggested flavors. Have a suggestion that is not on here? Feel free to post here: cactus-bloom, tomato, carrot, mushroom, acorn, oyster, blaestonberry, brown sugar, angelica root, valerian, lotus, moonflower, motherwort, snowberry, frostflower, ice blossom, chicory, honeysuckle, sassafras, fish

[blissful ferry]

I sent you some wiggle eyebrows

[floral stag]

I saw that! Wiggles eyebrows back.

[livid thunder]

Celery also

[frail eagle]

Fix my starfruit to work in the still, pretty please?

[floral stag]

I am getting clarification on this to see if it's an error on my part or what. No worries.

[frail eagle]

Thank you!

[surreal crest]

pets the list she's beautiful

[floral stag]

This is not live yet, but just letting you know that I am going to be tweaking the still so that it will accept either "star fruit" or "starfruit". I'll send a shout out whenever it goes live.

[bold bane]

Oil from the kobold mines for oily booze, pieces of iron can be added to the metal junk for rusty or metallic flavor… Since I spy frostflower there already (used for ranger resists) what about the other ranger herbs? Murkweed, mistweed, drakefern, and shockroot.

[tiny light]

Ooo, need idea with ranger herbs. Murkweed ale sounds neat

[frail eagle]

The list, Avaluka, or both? 😍

[surreal crest]

oh definitely both 😂 😍

[floral stag]

Nice save! Ha.

[supple torrent]

Brine is a distinct flavor

[surreal crest]

but it's true!

[floral stag]

"Starfruit" will now work as an ingredient in the stills (not just "star fruit").

[frail eagle]

The scent of starfruit wafts up from the steel still as you stir the contents, the caramel-colored mash churning with the motion.

Setting an empty frosted glass decanter beneath the spout of the steel still, you depress a large button on the front of the still's boiler.  Immediately, the mash inside begins to boil and froth violently, sending distilled liquid up through the column of twisting tubes and coils.  Caramel-colored liquid drips in a steady stream into the waiting decanter.  Once the flow stops, you reach out to twist a fresh stopper into the mouth of the decanter and pick up the now full fruity mead.```

**SO.  MUCH.  HAPPY!!** Thank you!

[floral stag]

That was fast! Haha. Sounds tasty.

[livid thunder]

I found it.....it's ALIVE!!

[livid thunder]

I'll start my campaigning now since RW is over

Amazing flavors in this list

Of course Tomatos are a must, Celery, Ghost peppers (from RW)

I'm so excited with the Cheese wheel now, that and the Still...match made in heaven...HEAVEN I tell ya

[vital flare]

Hey, should Chai Spice be able to go in the still?

[floral stag]

It is currently not a thing that is recognized as a flavor.

[vital flare]

Uhm, can we get that to become a flavor please? It's not pumpkin spice, but....

[blissful ferry]

(we have that too)

[vital flare]

Waitwaitwait... We have pumpkin spice? So... We can have pumpkin spice lattes? And some boozy psl time?

[spark pike]

...melomel
Why yes, I do want to recreate a friend's brewery's product IG, why do you ask?

[broken lotus]

I have some in my rum-stained haversack. YOu need it? It's too early in the year for that though!!!!!

[vital flare]

I mean... The thought of some PSL booze is very tempting.. But, I don't want to take any of yours...

[wise galleon]

Misc [22]: a shaker of pumpkin pie spice,

It's never too early for it.

[frail eagle]

@floral stag Can you take a look at a handful of gooey honey sold at Fickle's Fruits in Western Harbor (on FWI)? I tried to use some as the honey to make mead, and I got the message:
You start to lower a handful of gooey honey into the boiler of the steel still but stop short. Thinking back to the recipe, you are sure you need to be adding "honey" instead.
Thanks!

[floral stag]

Is that something you can EAT like a food? I can add it to a list to look into, but I do have some pending updates so it may be a bit for it to be adjusted.

[frail eagle]

Yes, you eat it like food.
I had a feeling it may need to wait, but I wanted to try to get it on the list if possible.

[cedar mirage]

is the noun handfull or honey?

[frail eagle]

honey
I went back to Fickle and got honeycomb, and that works fine for making mead.

[wanton rain]

So do you think Fickle uses a spoon or her own bare hand to glop that into your own hand?

[icy star]

Being that they're Fickle, probably all of the above depending on mood and circumstance

[surreal crest]

better than a tongue rollout

[vivid tangle]

She baby birds it.

[floral stag]

I mean .... honey is technically bee vomit to begin with.

[supple torrent]

Moonflower

[floral stag]

That is on the list.

[vernal scaffold]

Before I second that request, I need to know if I won the unlimited keg

[surreal crest]

liramea, I think.

[spark pike]

We need an unlock for the still to be able to add the candy gems to the bottle without having to run it through a bottle contraption first!

[waxen peak]

you don't have to alter the bottle, just put the bottle in, POKE the bug in, take the bottle out
The swapping the stopper with a bug is still bugged because you need to put alter fodder in before you can put a bug on top. But now I forget if you can just take the fodder out after you do that and then take the bottle out unchanged except for the stopper...

[spark pike]

oh yay

[gloomy sapphire]

Does the contraption eat fodder after every bottle?

[waxen peak]

yes, it will use the material fodder to change the material of the bottle. 1 fodder = 1 bottled changed
Dye is 1 pour = 1 use
bugs 1:1
The only thing that doesn't use a charge is your label and etching.
Some are optional, like dye and bugs

[gloomy sapphire]

This changes the design, and then I can make as many bottles as I want using that design?

[gloomy sapphire]

Looks like you only need the one fodder piece if you don’t change up the contraption. Cut slabs from the forge works for metal as well

[frail eagle]

You can CLEAN the bottletraption to take the alter fodder out after adding your gembug stopper. I do it constantly with 5-silver daggers from the Landing weapon shop.

You do also have to have the material fodder added in order to add dye if it's on the reservoir to dye the bottle. But, again, once you add your dye, CLEAN the bottletraption to keep your bottle's original material.

[mighty snow]

I have not read back yet for this answer and sorry if it's a repeat . But I did notice something about my Still. I can flip to change the adjective of produced alcohol and it does that.. But after I've selected the one I want, and try and product it isn't the one I selected just the color.... of the liquid in the bottle for example if I select Elven Port it's giving me red port. not Elven Port.

[frail eagle]

Are you looking for something like You drink your elven port and getting You drink your red port?

I tried making "aelotian" whiskey and have no problem...
You tap a curvaceous frosted glass decanter of aelotian whiskey, which is in your right hand.

Drinking it doesn't give any indication of color or descriptor.

If you're sure you had your still set to make the elven port, and it came out as red port instead, I'd put in a BUG report on the still.
Also make sure you're paying attention to the WARNING message the first time you push still to make sure it's all correct.

[bold bane]

If you spin your still to change the effect; it starts the whole thing over from the start. So if you select “elven port” then spin it to “sour”; the adjective reverts back to the default one, ie the base color. So you’ll want to select your adjectives after your effects.

[mighty snow]

Awe.. Let me try that Thank you Trallihn, @frail eagle thank you too!

[bold bane]

You’re welcome! Hope that was the issue (I know it was for me a time or two)

[mighty snow]

It was. .. steps matter !

[floral stag]

Yeah - each effect has an extra adjective or two that gets added to the list, so the spot on the list for what you have chosen probably changed so it resets it to default just in-case.

[broken lotus]

Are jalapenos available somewhere?

[blissful ferry]

No, I think they were nixxed

[broken lotus]

::sobs:: Ok well i have a backup plan but now i need to find ginger.

[icy star]

Out of curiosity, is that because of the ñ, or some other reason?

[blissful ferry]

I am not sure

[spark pike]

can we have ghost peppers then?
ETA: as in "eat this and become one"?

[icy star]

Sounds like a reasonable request for EG.

[bold bane]

They had ghost peppers at RW for Nightmare steed food. I got one in my basketifier.

[waxen peak]

ghost of a pepper| A pepper ghost

part of it might be because there is a spicy effect you can buy on the still maybe?

[bold bane]

Yeah… it would be odd to make ghost pepper/other spicy pepper booze and then use sour.

[mighty snow]

Then it would be like lousianna sauce

[broken lotus]

Is there toffee in the game that works in the stills?

[icy star]

Looks like this isn't likely the reason, since there were pinatas at last EG.

[mighty snow]

I was wondering if it would be possible to add the Confection Creator chocolates, be added to the list of chocolates available for the Syringe alcohol?

[floral stag]

Are those the boxes sold at Duskruin that make confections? I thought they were all cookies and brownies and so forth?

[mighty snow]

there is one box that does Chocolates

This tin chocolate box is a Confection Creator.  The container may be freely altered, including a long description or a show, but be aware that the script will append a dial description to the show in some circumstances.  It must remain a container that makes sense to fit six confections in it.

This tin chocolate box is currently tier: 1
This box is currently set to produce chocolates once per day.

This tin chocolate box currently has 1 custom flavors in addition to the 13 default random flavors.  Also, there is a recipe selection dial that can have its adjective customized by any willing merchant.  Example:  a small _____ dial.
Verbs:  RUB, TAP, TURN
Additional Recipes:
  1.  a piece of bacon-studded chocolate sprinkled with a pinch of sea salt

You currently have additional recipe #1 selected.

This item may not be lightened or deepened.```

[proper solstice]

Yeeeeesss! Thiiiiis.

[floral stag]

Those being "pieces" of chocolate make me think they're like ... solid squares of chocolate rather than something molded/hollow like the chocolate mold chocolates and bug/sea creature chocolates.

[mighty snow]

Are we able to use the Bug/sea creature chocolates ?
OOO... how did I miss that!

[waxen peak]

yes! And chocolate heater chocolates.

[mighty snow]

Ya I don't know if the tin chocolates are hollow or molded they are just pieces of chocolate. They may be more like Turkish Delights.

[ruby plume]

Apologies, but I don't recall whether this date stamp issue was supposed to have been fixed or not (and searching for an update on it is almost impossible) but this just happened:
Stamped into the glass of the bottle's base is Rohese's brewing mark and the year 3100.
Should I submit a bug report or do I need to assist to get mine fixed independently?

[broken lotus]

Do we have oats in the game so that I can make an oat stout?

[ruby plume]

Grocery store

[broken lotus]

Thank you!

[cedar mirage]

Looks like an earlier bug that came back. Avaluka did fix it for a while. Should be Current Year + 3100, not just 3100.

[ruby plume]

Thanks. I do remember it being around since inception but vaguely recall mention of it being fixed too. I lose track!

[cedar mirage]

Yeah here's a bottle that was made some time during early days of EG this year:

You see nothing unusual.
Stamped into the lyshaelyn of the bottle's base is Erek's brewing mark and the year 5123.```  Also, can someone switch this channel to 1 minute cooldown from 5 minutes?

[ruby plume]

I'll submit a bug report so that Avaluka is aware it's back 🙂 And yes please on reducing the cooldown!

[spark pike]

@hybrid fiber Cool down fix please when you get a chance!

[bold bane]

What was the booze type that did it? It may be isolated to a recipe/booze type vs the whole system (I think I recall seeing grog doing it recently on my end but not the other recipes I made)

[ruby plume]

Liqueur

[floral stag]

I think I have an idea on what may be happening. I thought I fixed it before but I think it may have to do with the time the booze is made or something throwing off the LOOK. It's on my list (along with a few other things) for me to try to dive back into and fix when I get some free time.

[spark pike]

IN THE MEANTIME....create a whole bunch of limited edition booze. flees Time is running ooooooout!

[broken lotus]

So the oats from the grocery dont work in the still. Are there oats anywhere that do?

[floral stag]

"Oat" as a flavor may not be added, as it were, so it doesn't recognize it.

Or were you hoping to use it as a grain substitute akin to barley/wheat, etc.?

[broken lotus]

I wanted to make a maple oatmeal stout..or as close to it as i could. Can we get oatmeal that works or is there oatmeal that works somewhere?

[mighty snow]

I second this

[supple torrent]

I do like me an outmeal stout

[broken lotus]

THanks for the oat update! I'm gonna make that maple oatmeal stout today!

[supple torrent]

I shall willingly try this oatmeal stout

Avaluka you deserve major Kudos for keeping this still up to date

[floral stag]

You're welcome! I'm powering through my backlog items today! Vroom vroom. Other updates to the stills today: the 3100 year bug is squashed for good, "plum" (while it always worked as a flavor) now properly is recognized as a fruit, "oat" works as a flavor, and "Evashiran" (the new culture) can be used as a cultural adjective for those who are a dark elf.

[broken lotus]

You rock! You really, really, really rock!

[frail eagle]

and after she did all the work with the stills, she moved to charms. Someone's being a beast today

[floral stag]

And you now can't accidentally add too much water to the stills. "Very weak" is the weakest you can get. It won't let you add more water beyond that.

[floral stag]

My executive functioning finally turned back on today. What can I say? Heh.

[frail eagle]

Congratulations. And, I'm jealous.

[spark pike]

Me too

[broken lotus]

What glass works in the bottle contraption? I tried glass rods from the alchemist and they would not go in

[bold bane]

Eyes from the crevice.

[broken lotus]

heh i dont want to use them...got something more readily available? LOL

[bold bane]

Hmmm… “eye” don’t worry about it because my still setting is glass. (Well dirty glass)… but there was definitely something mentioned as working for that in the contraption thread.

[broken lotus]

There's a contraption thread somewhere?

[bold bane]

https://discord.com/channels/226045346399256576/1138958879229739068

[broken lotus]

Thanks!

[broken lotus]

Full-bodied and dark, the stout is smooth and creamy, the heavy barley flavor infused with notes of dark chocolate and oat.
You have 5 quaffs left.```
Huzzah!

[supple torrent]

Well it sounds delightful

[broken lotus]

i'll be serving it up tomorrow. I'm hosting a guild night tomorrow so I made it as an extra treat.

[torn tendon]

I would like to request/suggest a bundle ability in the syringes...
After making a slew of chocolates with 4 bites, and syringes making 15 doses... it seemed like such a waste of time & effort to throw all the remaining 3 doses away...

[frail eagle]

(you could take a bite out of the chocolates so they have only 3 bites, and then it works out evenly)
Some way to combine would be great

[floral stag]

Good suggestion; I'l lhave to ponder if that's possible. If possible it'd have ot be exactly the same drink in both syringes, obviously, but that's a possible. I mae them 15 doses simply because that's the amount of sips the bottles have and it's essentially putting the bottle alcohol in a syringe instead.

[torn tendon]

Thank you!

[bold bane]

A single sip shot unlock would be neat to see (not everyone wants to drink after other people… or from the bottle at all) and most cups hold 6 sips.

[frail eagle]

7 sips. Which is annoying in its own way - 2 pours out of the bottle and then...
"What do I do with this last sip?" <gulps from the bottle and hope no one saw>

[bold bane]

You’re right… 7. Which is really odd when something says it’s a shot glass. Haha.

[blissful ferry]

small sips

[vital flare]

The shot glasses could be made that would only take a single dose from a bottle, but, I want to second Lilanna's BUNDLE for syringes of the same flavor profiles, or BUNDLE same alcohols, losing the secondary flavors... But, something for all those loose syringes aside from dosing up bugs and fishies turned to chocolates..

[still meteor]

So I have been told I should post my accessory idea here. I would like a Saber that interacts with the bottles for Sabering. Not sure how fancy to get be it a simple show only zest, or if we could have a sabering table where you place table at your feet and get the saber in one hand and a bottle in the other and when you Saber the bottle it pours into an appropriate (2-4) number of glasses. The glasses, table and saber being able to be altered in appearance. Anyways rambling loose idea I would love to see for rp. I'm sure this thread can tighten it up or decide its not worth pursuing.

[waxen peak]

I have good news bad news, and this is not to shoot down the idea, but there are pre-made champaign bottles that can do this, with auction tier that you can refresh and re-use. They haven't been around in a few years though. They have corks you pop off or you can saber them and get less glasses
https://gswiki.play.net/Prestige_Champagne

[supple torrent]

So we need to make them compatible is what I am hearing

[spark pike]

...aren't they sold at RW?

[waxen peak]

There is a Poiret & Company shop but no bottles of champaign on the wiki list, perfume, gloves and handkerchiefs

[spark pike]

ah

[boreal gazelle]

They use to be sold at Festival of Lumnia, I think

[broken lotus]

Any chance we could get bottles of caramel or some regular source of caramel at the shops that sell cinnamon, yeast, etc... or added to some of the confection shops?

I've been having to hit up a friend who has a piece of caramel in their basketifier any time i want to make certain boozes... I appreciate them being generous but it would just be nice to be able to buy a bottle of caramel or a piece of caramel from a shop so I dont have to keep bugging them.

[bold bane]

Seconded… I need a piece of caramel for my basket.

[blissful ferry]

Caramel was sold at LegenDairy at Rumor Woods and can be permified

[broken lotus]

but Rumor Woods is not available right now and I'm having to mooch off my frenz!

[blissful ferry]

I think the stuff you use to make caramel is in the grocer shops

Hmm

[spark pike]

has anyone tried the caramel turtle pie in Dabbings?
I'm searching the wiki and I'm not seeing anything caramel that would actually pick up caramel for the flavoring (they all have chocolate or something else).

[broken lotus]

Not sure if i've tried that one but thus far i havent found anything in a regular shop that has worked.

[queen cradle]

If it works the same way as ice cream flavors do, the caramel turtle pie will work.

[broken lotus]

You sure it wont give me turtle-flavored booze?

[queen cradle]

If it does, then.. bonus?

[broken lotus]

For Trallihn, maybe...

[queen cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-xv-ignis-new-gif-7519713

[bold bane]

It comes with its own booze bowl/ashtray. Sign me up.

(Usually it’s the first word in the food that the still catches- cedar beetle candy makes a good place to get cedar flavor)

[queen cradle]

Also
https://www.shortsbrewing.com/beers/turtle-stout/

[broken lotus]

I'm gonna test the caramel turtle.

>put pie in still
That doesn't seem like it'd make a good addition to the copper pot still.```
Fail.

[blissful ferry]

I think it's old food, bug the room you bought it in. It was a premium neighborhood right? Those tend to be old

[floral stag]

I want to say I sold a caramel in the Duskruin still shop, too, since one of the new meads requires it as an ingredient.

[cedar mirage]

Seems like there was also some caramel sold in the shop that also had the ice cream churns.

Food/Drink [39]: a circular piece of butterscotch (19), a thin piece of gooey caramel (20)
Misc [80]: a tall glass bottle of chocolate syrup (20), a bronze-tinted bottle of caramel syrup (5), a handful of mint chocolate chips (15), a slender black vanilla pod (20), a handful of crushed cookie bits (20)```  I think all the above came from there (at least that's what I bought).

The caramel from the above can go in a basket btw (just verified that).

[cedar mirage]

Also can confirm that caramel works fine in the still

Velvety and smooth, the syrupy texture of the bochet rolls over your tongue and floods your mouth with caramelized honey, the sweetness giving way to hints of elderberry and roasted nuts.``` Had to make some for a sample 😉

[frail eagle]

The question wasn't whether caramel works. It was about a source that isn't at a currently-not-available pay event.

[cedar mirage]

I suppose this is why it's prudent to always buy multiples of ingredients that are in pay events. There's no way of knowing if they will ever show up outside of them.

[broken lotus]

I did in fact, originally buy multiples of certain things..and then I used them. It also seems silly to not have something like caramel readily available for use in an item like the still. Caramel doesnt provide any magical benefit or anything, it's an ingredient... I'm simply asking for it be available on the regular like so many other ingredients in the game. @blissful ferry i'll bug the room when I'm back in Icemule later today!

[cedar mirage]

I agree. I was just pointing out above that the caramel bought at the event actually does go in a basket, so only one needed to be bought, then could be used an unlimited number of times.

[broken lotus]

Unfortuntely, i didnt realize that at the time. But if those caramel turtles can be updated, then problem solved.

[blissful ferry]

just a word of warning, even updating an existing shop can take months between approvals, creation, QC, etc

it's not just as easy as shove existing item in existing shop for every requested flavor

I don't mean to be dismissive by suggesting the item at the pay event but there's a good chance that even if the existing shop is updated, Rumor Woods happens first

and if anyone does have a spare caramel, the permifiers are out right now

[wise galleon]

Do the caramels sold in Ta'Illistim not work with the still?
https://gswiki.play.net/Delicacies_Chocolatier

[spark pike]

those apparently pick up the chocolate rather than the caramel.

[wise galleon]

Got it, so you need a caramel without referencing another potential flavor.

Does that mean that the caramel sold in Ta'Nalfein would instead taste like tea when used? (Or I guess saevika?)
https://gswiki.play.net/The_Onyx-Petaled_Taerethil

[spark pike]

I'm not sure that's been tested.
that shop hadn't been released when the crafting server tested stuff.

[blissful ferry]

So how the ice cream churn works at least, it looks at the adjective and the noun. If the adjective and noun combined are less than 16 characters, it checks the whole thing. if not, first it checks the adjective for a match, then each word in the adjective, then the noun. So hypothetically yes, it would pick up tea before caramel if the still does the same order

[floral stag]

It definitely checks in the same order as the ice cream churns, as I think I peeked at that code when I did that particular part.

And I do understand the frustration at not having a ready source of caramel outside of the pay events. Hopefully it can be remedied in the future. The still shop should have the caramel still available, though, in February for stocking up. I know that doesn't solve the problem now.

[broken lotus]

I shall continue to harass my local caramel supplier until I can get my own. 😆

[civic oxide]

I'm pretty sure someone put caramel in a shop for us already

Researching

Vanah — Yesterday at 5:20 PM
Caramel was sold at LegenDairy at Rumor Woods and can be permified

[waxen peak]

i have two extra, sounds like I should put them up for sale at crazy prices

[bold bane]

Paid entry Death match for one. Auction for the other. Twice the entertainment all the silvers.

[coarse ocean]

Caramel Cage Match.

[frail eagle]

hmm... Caramel Cage Match 2, too! Because I think I have a bottle of caramel (or 2) in a locker that I bought before basketifying a piece of caramel

[blissful ferry]

I could probably make a tug of war over a pit of caramel faster than I could put caramel in a shop

[spark pike]

...just add caramel to the list of options in the tug of war game in Kindred Games?
or is it already an option? I forget.

[bold bane]

Can we basketify it after falling in?

[tiny light]

Were there any new booze types added this run to pick up or are we good?

[bold bane]

The bottle contraption unlock are there too in case anyone missed that. (Labels, stoppers, etc) (edited my error)

[floral stag]

They were always in DR. And no; no new still recipes this time. If anyone has any suggestions for new alcohol nouns/recipes, let me know!

[bold bane]

I thought they were at another event for whatever reason. Totally my mistake there.

[tiny light]

Rice wine!

Erithian rice wine

[cloud vortex]

All the new elven alochol varieties... sylath, aeltsina, caerandas, malyrtak

[spark pike]

...kinda wish we had an alcohol lore doc the way we have roltons & milk/cheese/wool materials. (Not it)

[tiny light]

YES, ALCOLORE!!!!

[floral stag]

I'll definitely look at any new lore-created alcohols; definitely has to be a type of beer or liquor and not a wine, unless it is a liquor/distilled beverage made with wine as an ingredient.

[tiny light]

rice wines are distilled! 😛

[bold bane]

I’d guess it would need to be called something other than “wine”… probably falls into the cultural Erithi side of things as far as a name goes.

[tiny light]

just make up an Erithian word

[bold bane]

Not it!

[tiny light]

Rice Wabudingdong: it'll put hair on your chest but take it off your head

[cedar mirage]

It might be time to talk about wine presses and their place in the world. I hate that we're omitting wine as a choice for player creation just because some old auction level script/item exists.

[supple torrent]

How do we get these things to make eggnog....

[trail haven]

First start with rum then find a chicken and a cow…

[supple torrent]

....sounds like a sausage maker recipe

[broken lotus]

Question, how long can an etching be? I have been asked to recreate a drink to carry in my tavern for our beloved Ferghal whose player recently passed away. I would like to put this as an etching on the bottle contraption:
" In memory of Ferghal, his body is gone but his spirits live on."
Is this possible? Do i need to shorten it? The analyze says it can handle a sentence.

[floral stag]

I think that would work as far as length.

[broken lotus]

Great, thank you.

[icy star]

I just filled my first chocolates with booze. Man, I need to learn how to do this at home.

[trail haven]

whiskey should never be sweet blech

[bold bane]

Tell that to Southern Comfort and Fireball. (I’ve been sober almost a decade and I can still taste that stuff… blech)

[trail haven]

I am all about having quality whiskey neat

[waxen peak]

pick up some inexpensive disposable syringes and your favorite soft chocolates.

[icy star]

I wouldn't try to fill chocolate with whiskey. I made some raspberry chocolate liqueur and filled my chocolates with that.

[trail haven]

that at least is a blessing. 😄

[frail eagle]

anyone filling chocolates with whiskey is a monster.

Liqueur? Yes.
Mead? Fine (but I'm thinking that's about to get messy).

[waxen peak]

chocolate bees filled with braggot

[tiny light]

Just a note that the Ale fest currently has some SICK beers that I'd love to see added to the still at some point. Just a smattering include: pyment, gose, barleywine, pilser, steam ale (and there's even more). Love seeing the casks of Oyster Stout too, so see, I told you it's real! 😛

[tiny light]

Make my buy more unlocks! 😛

[floral stag]

<eyes Duskruin plate of things> I dunno, but it can't hurt to list new recipes you may want, including any Elanthia-only things that may have been released in Lore that I perhaps missed.

What shop at the festival had pilsner?

[broken lotus]

Hop of the Hour

Elderflower Liqueur, Pear, Honeysuckle```

[still meteor]

I'm requesting more food items and disturbing things be allowed to be used with the stills... like pickles, bacon, random sources of meat and or blood. I have a clientele to serve who would love a custom blood wine/ale/ etc that isn't just simply blapples

[floral stag]

This already exists - you can use Bloodletting Bowls or Bloodletting Leeches to collect blood and then put the blood in the stills. They can also be used to put blood into the sausages for meat grinder to make blood sausage. These items are sold in the shop The Four Humours at Ebon Gate. But you may be able to find someone with a leech jar to let you borrow a leech.

Bacon should already work, I would think. I thought pickles also worked? But maybe I dreamed that.

[still meteor]

I had not tried my blood letting bowl this is exciting news, the pickles I have found in RR do not work unless an update in the last month changed that. I will admit I have not tried bacon, but meats I had tried failed and so I figured it was a "no meats" thing

This will have me reinvested in trying new recipes

[floral stag]

Bacon definitely works. If pickles don't work I can look into that. I'd been meaning to add in elderflower and I got sidetracked. It was mainly restricted to meat that generally isn't used to flavor booze IRL. There is bacon-flavored stuff IRL so bacon is allowed. You can also add charcoal for a "smoke" flavor.

[still meteor]

I was not aware if the charcoal thing either. Soo much more to learn lol

[floral stag]

Lots of stuff! You can also add certain types of wood to get the '<wood>-matured' or '<wood>-aged' type adjectives, as well. Look for woods that are historically used in alcohol barrels like oak.

[broken lotus]

Does horseradish work yet? 🥹 🫶

[frail eagle]

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.... I did NOT know about using wood for wood-aged 🤯

And, question: any idea when the new forageable herbs/spices/veggies can be used? Mostly I'm waiting on the stills to be updated for these so I can use tarragon in my cheeses

[floral stag]

Uh. I'll put this on my list to look into after my day job today. I've got some pending updates that I'm unsure if I'll be able to work around for the time being, though, so it may be a few weeks.

And no - I have not added any new flavors since I last announced new flavors added. I'll make a sweep of pending ones and see what I can do.

For the wood .... the Woodchopper Box may be your friend for this type of thing. The stills don't really like wood in a rune staff form, but it should take things like alter fodder wood, sticks that are foraged (if they are of the proper type of wood (IE oak, other types of usual barrel wood), or wood blocks for Forging.

[broken lotus]

I had no idea we could do this. Pretty cool!

[floral stag]

Now you cna make oak-matured mead and whatnot! IF you can find some supply of oak sticks or oak blocks.

[still meteor]

Well at risk of shooting for the moon, would there be a way in the future to have accents like smokey, wood aged separated from flavors to give us a Lil more flavor? Like a smokey maple bacon ale..

[tiny light]

barleywine showed up at two different shops at Ale Fest, in keg and cask form, but I must continue the fight for crushable pilsners 😛

[broken lotus]

Just poking my head in to ask about the foragable updates to the still/cheese wheel. Another player was testing some things this morning and found they still were not updated to work with the cheese wheel/still. Thanks!

[drowsy lynx]

I have an unusual request. Would it be possible to make catnip work with this? There are a few parts to this request--first off, catnip isn't actually forageable anywhere and I know it can come from SOMEwhere 'cause someone had some in their basketifier and I raided a bunch, "a twist of fragrant catnip", but that's ALL i've been able to manage to find and I am sad that it doesn't work.

I acknowledge that this is a pretty out there thing, but I am trying to brew liquor for cats and it is... more complicated than I thought it would be!

[spark pike]

...fish and catnip?

[ruby plume]

If I remember correctly catmint is currently available in the Veythorne Gardens as a forage prop. Might be worth a try!

[drowsy lynx]

will give it a try! And, cream actually, @spark pike :3 thinking vodka for now as a nice neutral base, but maybe absinthe? it's fancy, like cats....

[frail eagle]

I wouldn't go absinthe. Maybe a liqueur, so it's a bit like Kahlua or Irish Cream

[bold bane]

I’m here to remind everyone that kumys is a fermented milk based booze the still can already produce. I’d start with that if I were trying to get cats drunk.

Though, personally I think cats are already big enough jerks enough without the booze (I own 3, I can say that.)

[mighty snow]

Kumys!!!

[floral stag]

I think the first drink made in one of the stills - nutty kumys.

[drowsy lynx]

well it just so happens that I already have a recipe card! kumys sounds delightful, I didn't actually know what it was!

[broken lotus]

Just wandering in to ask about the status of the forageables that were added to the lands earlier this summer and see if they work with the stills and cheese wheel as of yet. If not, do we have an ETA on that? Thank you!

[still meteor]

Is there any hope of letting a still use blood instead of water, so blood doesn't take up a precious flavor spot?

[mighty snow]

Kumys is a very interesting drink. Was once created from fermenting mares milk, orginiating from central Asia. The fermentation process creates bubbles giving it a champagneness. It's sour and creamy as well. I have not tasted it in real life only because there isn't anything like it being made around me. But I would try it once! In our GS platform and in Icemule it has a history with the halflings using Stoutfoot rolton milk or female mule's milk since they were in a cold environment and those were hardy animals and could survive and help the halflings survive the harsh winter. It's said to sooth the soul and grow hair on your feet. My charater Opalina Highly endorces the production and consumption of Kumys!

[floral stag]

I won't be switching blood to be usable as water.

Regarding new/updated forageables - TBD. I am still in EG preparations but I am looking into something to hopefully make it easier to keep track of new ingredients.

[still meteor]

I can't say I approve of the decision but thank you for the answer

[icy star]

You could always get a friend rip-roaring drunk and then ask them to donate blood.

[floral stag]

The following flavors have been added to the Flavor system that things like the Alcohol Still, Meat Grinder, and Cheese Wheel use. (As well as the upcoming Popcorn Kettle.)

• artichoke
• cassava
• elderflower
• horseradish
• hot pepper
• krallisberry
• lanternberry
• parsnip
• plantain
• quenepa
• radish
• sloe berry
• tarragon
• thanot berry
• wintersbite

If there is an ingredient that is not working with your still or meat grinder, please remember you can now WHISPER with the ingredient in your hand and send it in for review. You can even add optional text notes if it is not working with a specific function (like it works as a recipe ingredient but not as a flavor or vice versa).

[blissful ferry]

HORSERADISH

[broken lotus]

The horseradish cheese will be made en masse this evening! LOL

[ruby plume]

Ooh sloe gin!

[bold bane]

Kumys just got that much worse…

[spark pike]

...Is there a wiki page with the (usable) flavorings? Because I've been looking for one and coming up blank.

[blissful ferry]

If Avaluka is okay with it I can slap them somewhere

I put the ice cream options on the wiki and made Ordim sad (was it Ordim)

I made somebody sad

[floral stag]

I am okay with it. It's uh ... a lot, though, I expect.

[blissful ferry]

yeah it might not be IN THE CRUNCH WEEK BEFORE EBON GATE OPENS

[frail eagle]

(nothing to see for the moment! #1335605390049546270 message )

[blissful ferry]

For posterity the flavor list is on the wiki:
https://gswiki.play.net/List_of_flavor_additives

[icy star]

Woah. Where do we get various forms of urine and rolton droppings? ... Asking for a friend.

[floral stag]

For a "friend". Sure.

[icy star]

Some of us are very generous in who/what we consider friends!

[blissful ferry]

Perfume or gross foods

[icy star]

I just need to remember that we're talking about flavorings and not necessarily additives.

[floral stag]

If you somehow add slime to the still, you can get the "slimy" adjective. But I still need to do a deep dive and ponder on gross adjective additions for future.

[frail eagle]

no you don't. Really. We don't need "slimy" as an adjective at all. Or other "gross" adjective additions.... 🤢

[icy star]

I disagree! My characters would probably never willingly make something that's gross, but I love the fact that it's possible! 😂

Okay, I'm finally convinced that I need to go find a musk ox to milk

[frail eagle]

oh, I'm just teasing. Mostly.
It is good that the things are possible even if they shouldn't.