#[Official] Alteration Help

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vapid quail
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We cannot use dragon parts

near crag
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@slow fulcrum ^^^^

vapid quail
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I will add that I am not going to make weird variations of dragons. but dragon-shaped slippers would be ok IMHO. A dragon embroidered item is perfectly fine.

near crag
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…..

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That’s supposed to be Elliot.

vapid quail
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But also it is up to the merchant to decide if they will make such items.

near crag
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I’m not trying to be a butt, buuuut… isn’t that kind of confusing/inconsistent?

vapid quail
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not really

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I have a merchant who refuses to work with body parts of any kind

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gross

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but if you have the body part, its technically allowed

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I have a merchant who is scared of things that fly

near crag
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lol but that’s kind of different. Unless a merchant has an aversion to dragons?

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Okay, that makes more sense

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An RP reason I can totally get behind.

vapid quail
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We walk a fine line, and I will always err on the side of caution. In my first weeks as a gm I had to find someone and fix an Item I made by mistake, it was the worst feeling ever.

near crag
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That’s fair! I’ve had GMs do that to me once or twice 😅

vapid quail
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Believe me, we feel horrible

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It is worse than saying no in the moment.

near crag
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I do believe it. I was crushed, but I didn’t want the GM to feel bad, so I didn’t get miffed. I think she did feel bad, though. I wouldn’t want to be in that position.

vapid quail
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My scared flying gal is new and I cannot wait to bring her out sometime lol. We have fun rping different personalities too!

viscid abyss
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I understand not being able to do dragon-scaled armor but still liked the idea of metal armor etched with dragon scales or robes embroidered with dragons. I was just worried we couldn't use the word dragon going forward.

near crag
vapid quail
near crag
vapid quail
vapid quail
near crag
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That’s why I said half-frighten 😁 I hope my Aelotoi gets to meet her

vapid quail
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I haven't decided how to debut her yet

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Gearing up for creepy crazy Crondi

near crag
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Is she the one that offers body parts?

vapid quail
near crag
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Yesssss! I hope I encounter her again.

verbal swan
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I still have my dark elf nose and human thumb. Brought them from plat. Might have a third thing but I can’t remember what

tacit ermine
near crag
lament aspen
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From ALTER 42 in game: - Mythical creatures that do not exist in game (Elanthian myths): cannot have their parts used in an alteration. For example, there are no huntable dragons in the realm, so an item made from dragon scales is not acceptable for an alteration. Rendering the image of a mythical-in-Elanthia creature is acceptable; implying you have access to the actual/physical body parts of an imaginary-in-Elanthia creature is when/where alterations become problematic.

warm steppe
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I have done "draconic" to imply something looks like a part from a dragon-type creature, if it isn't intended to look like the entire dragon. But I also clearly note that it is made of a valid material like gold, crystal, etc.

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I suppose it could also be used to imply it looks like the entire dragon in certain cases

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depending on the item

vestal glade
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Can I have a draconic looking dragon made from real dragon?

brittle coral
vestal glade
warm steppe
fleet cloud
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Issit troo dat kobolds is really jus Draconic Poop?

vestal glade
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in DnD the dragon's certainly think so. here, probably not.

vapid quail
vestal glade
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I can see the appeal

wintry turtle
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I'm not sure those would have a non-slip sole for the workplace.

vestal glade
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Definitely not split resistant

wintry turtle
vapid quail
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I need a whole outfit around this now

near crag
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Ok, well that’s supposed to be Carmen Miranda in her fruit costume. The shoes would go perfect with that.

lime jungle
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@analog coral
some tooled sanguine silver gauntlets encapsulating the forearms in a thick barrier of dragon-like scale and blackened spikes
👀

warm steppe
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That alter is way too long and we don’t do <insert>-like or -esque. You would need to probably better describe that in a look/show description.

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It also can’t encapsulate forearms when it isn’t being worn…

verbal swan
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IACL!

twin siren
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First time through I read that as "that alter is way too long and we don't like it"

warm steppe
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Liking it isn’t part of the equation.

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But more than a dozen words or 70ish characters is too much for a long description (some wiggle room on character limit)

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Even for IACL

clever junco
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You could do something more like...

some spiked silver gauntlets layered in sanguine leather dragon scales

If you wanted to keep it a long.

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But if you really want to fit all of that in there, you would be better off doing a show.

lime jungle
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I think we can all just ignore this one.

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Little inside joke between me and Ram.

flat matrix
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Look, at least it's not splattered with the bile of gremlin slayers

mossy mist
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If only discord had a system to deliver private messages 😉 😆

clever junco
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Oh... well... peepoLeave

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I'm still laughing over Ramladu dragging a hunk of blue cheese across town.

fleet cloud
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So...wotter Nanner Slippers gonna cost?

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(askin fer a "frend")

wintry turtle
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I wish this channel had gifs. Never has Lucille Bluth been more relevant to the community's interests.

fleet cloud
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🤪

tacit ermine
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Let Elanthian Elegance Help You Prepare For EG Merchant Week!

We have 2 in-game prep sessions scheduled before Merchant Week starts:

  • Friday, October 10 from 11am - 1pm ET in the House Paupers Rose Garden (before EG even opens!)
  • Wednesday, October 15 from 8pm - 10pm ET at the Bittermere Woods, Convergence in Naidem

Bring your questions, bring your vague ideas, bring your "I don't have a clue what I'm doing or where to start" and let us help.

vestal glade
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this popped up in a different thread, but could I alter the familiar that pops out of these?

`You analyze the cat talisman and sense that the item is largely free from merchant alteration restrictions, but the creator has stated that "The item type should not change."

The creator has also provided the following information:

This is a Wizard Familiar Talisman, used to summon a specific familiar.
Verbs: CAST, TOUCH, WAVE

This cat talisman is tier 3, high rank alchemical level, of merchant quality. It has 20 charges. It could be made unlimited by the PERM-ifier. It will summon "a pale-eyed shadowy black cat" with random gender. The familiar also has a custom look description.

The talisman has not been used yet.

The talisman itself can be altered with a long or a show description, but it must remain wood.

You get no sense of whether or not the talisman may be further lightened.`

coral aspen
vestal glade
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I recall a few of those over the years, this would then be eligible?

coral aspen
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I can't speak to that specific one, but in my own experience, you get a talisman with the customization. You don't provide it. I don't know if the rules have changed in the decade since I got mine, though.

stiff rose
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I won one a couple years ago. I got an unlimited talisman that was custom, the associated familiar had a custom description, and I got four custom ambients for the familiar that are added onto its stock ambient messaging pool, all as part of the service

vestal glade
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Thank you both. Maybe someday we can get another circle back on those raffles/special services merchant.

random shuttle
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Small tangent possibly, but the talk of familiar alteration sparked this in my brain - could the ranger guild get something like an alter book for companions? It obviously wouldn’t be the same level as a full customization but it’d be nice for the guild to provide well…anything.

lament aspen
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A script I definitely knew about before today

brittle coral
random shuttle
vapid quail
vestal glade
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If only there was some convenient way to have these events circle back! Alas!

stiff rose
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The concept of an auto groomer is actually really neat, even if it's just... Pay x amount and be able to change between the stock article and adjective options available for a given AC type from the existing climate and terrain lists.

random shuttle
hollow rampart
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Are these three alterations going to be acceptable? I used the tools to check. I have my radiant and shimmering dyes ready as well

  1. a radiant gold lion-shaped greatshield of mirror-polished mithril
  2. a shimmering blue mithril katana inscribed with Vaalorian runes

  3. a radiant white longcloak with silver lion clasps attached to the shoulders
random shuttle
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I think you left off part of 2

hollow rampart
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yes oops

lament aspen
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Radiant too

hollow rampart
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thanks

lament aspen
flat matrix
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Radiant needs to modify a colour, like shimmering is

hollow rampart
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thanks

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made changes! damn one won't fit now.

tropic spoke
hollow rampart
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no, it's this one.

  1. a radiant gold lion-shaped greatshield of mirror-polished mithril
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or does that one have problems too. hmm should work

tropic spoke
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the last one is 75 characters, which is a bit long. the guidance is 60

hollow rampart
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oh... thanks

rotund inlet
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mirror-polished to mirrored will save a few

tropic spoke
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that's not to say it's definitely going to be denied but it's best to be prepared

hollow rampart
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yea, i'm using it

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thank god for it!

tropic spoke
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ikr

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owly is truly a gentleman and a scholar

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using mirrored will get you there on the shield, and you can sub "etched" on the katana if you have to as well

quick trout
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Hi, may please I request the official name of this script? Didn't find any of the text string on the wiki, figured it could use an add. Here is the analyze:


The creator has also provided the following information:
This Mularos symbol has three verbs (HUG, KISS, RAISE) that generally show reverence to the item.  In addition, the PUSH verb will toggle the messaging between the original, generic messaging and an Arkati-based mode.  If no Arkati-based custom messaging is found for a deity, the generic messaging is used.

Alterations:
The symbol can be altrered normally.```
brittle coral
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This is a VERY old symbol. Its called Reverence

quick trout
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Awesome, thank you Thandiwe!

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Hah I'm not sure the full range of verbs on this work anymore, but I'll pop it up on the wiki nonetheless.

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Thanks again!

brittle coral
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If something isn't work, please bug it and we'll get it looked into.

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(you can mention Thandiwe said to, as well, that way if the owner isn't around anymore it'll float to me)

random shuttle
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(I actually thought it was 75/12 and not 60/12 for limits; so that's actually an innocent mistake on my end but the merchant didn't object and even helped confirm what I wanted was valid)

lament aspen
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It's also a judgment call not a hard limit

viscid abyss
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Can we alter pelt bundlers with the alteration books? My pelt bundler haversack's analyze says: Alteration Rules This item must stay a bag-like container of some sort. When altering, keep in mind that some of the haversack's show always remains.

I was looking over the wiki and don't think it's possible but I wanted to double check...can you make "translucent" spidersilk stuff?

Something like this would work though aye? a muted black spidersilk sack

Thx!

lament aspen
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You cannot alter pelt bundlers with alteration books (unless you have the flourish and the main script has no alteration limitations. Here, the alter book cannot always adhere with keeping the item bag like or making sure it makes sense with the hard coded stuff. Any script that requires judgment to alter will not work with the alter books

viscid abyss
vestal glade
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books not being well known for their judgement abilities.

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pot calling the kettle, I know

vestal glade
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I have a set of baz gloves and a set of caster gloves. It seems I can wear them both, one being non-functional. What would be the most expedient way of resolving the fact that I'm double-gloved? The baz gloves have no restrictions according to the analyze. The caster gloves I believe have restrictions that they must retain material and sigils iirc.

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me not being a surgeon and not requiring that level of protection?

lament aspen
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But you would still have two gloves

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Tuck? Shimmer trinket?

vestal glade
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hmm, could they be swapped to a different slot?

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thinking like wrist or something?

coral aspen
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No.

vestal glade
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could they be changed to glove, instead of gloves? And then it would make sense to wear two instead? I don't know, it's kinda odd. What else goes on hands that you would need 3 slots?

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I guess there are decorative metal thingys that rest on the backs of hands

twin siren
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Some people have bad circulation and need to double up on gloves to keep their hands warm

lime jungle
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You can also use a shimmer trinket and just display one (edit: just saw Vanah suggested this).

bleak nebula
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Handwraps over gloves?

vestal glade
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not a bad shout. Would it look weird seeing someone wearing a pair of elegant casting gloves and a pair of handwraps with it?

hollow rampart
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how does stuff like this get made?
Character Count: 90
Word Count: 16

a blood-red spidersilk cloak adorned with a myriad of miniature carved black diamond roses

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also this made me laugh:

a white cloak embroidered with the image of a dainty brown cow striking a flirtatious pose

lament aspen
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it's not a hard mechanical limit, it's a guideline (and a reason)

lime jungle
coral aspen
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Yes, we aren't into van art cloaks anymore.

proud sonnet
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….. we aren’t?

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…. But….

flat matrix
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I mean, I've seen a resurgenc of van art cloaks....and gem-dusted things. The 90s are back, baby!

random shuttle
minor knoll
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So are we allowed to upload a photo here of a concept I want my pantry to be for help on how to describe it?

lament aspen
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sure

minor knoll
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I want this for my bakers rack description

7_fdd1b611-6345-4b85-a58d-aa4d26c4dbba.jpg Wooden-ladder-shelves-in-the-modern-kitchen.jpg
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Any help with how to go about it... using bamboo in it somehow

brittle coral
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a cast iron-sided leaning bamboo shelving unit - Creating a trellis for support on the left and right, cast iron laddering is lacquered with a durable glossy finish. Wide at the base and slowly tapering, the shelves are evenly spaced and crafted of fine bamboo planks. Double doors, each decorated with matching knobs, decorate a small lower section of the piece, their faces slated and textured with a weathered finish.

minor knoll
brittle coral
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I used support twice.. let me fix that

near crag
minor knoll
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🤪

near crag
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I didn't even ask for GTG!

minor knoll
near crag
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I mean, I guess I could have asked for a GTG ambry

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Speaking of baker rack pantry things... there aren't individual compartments to alter (like MOARdrobes have), right?

minor knoll
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No

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I got lucky and got the old style from a shop 3 days ago

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So once altered imma PLACE it in my bungalow permanently

near crag
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That's what I plan to do with mine... just waiting on the QC approval for ambry... "RSN" (probably won't get it)

minor knoll
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Good luck

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I also found my rub-a dub-tub so hoping it can work in the bungalow

near crag
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lol thanks 😅

little mirage
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I am not sure if this is the right place or if roleplaying is? But I am having a really difficult time coming up with a color scheme to go with, since she's a new character.

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I always, always seem to default to black/red, and I want to step away from that.

near crag
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colour scheme, you ask?

little mirage
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Black/Silver is the colors in Huntress' symbol... but see above about getting away from black.

near crag
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Knock yourself out

little mirage
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TY.

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It's more I can't decide between Ice and/or night sky colors, or something like purple and red.

near crag
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hopefully that link works

little mirage
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It worked!

near crag
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purple and red together?

little mirage
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More purple with like... ruby accents.

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Rather than big splashes of red.

near crag
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Oh, haha... ok that sounds a little better

little mirage
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And aubergine.

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With like Flickering Snowfire Rubies as the gems.

near crag
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are you set on purple with the ruby?

little mirage
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Also as someone who worked at Bristol for years... Queen had a number of dresses that featured purple/red 😄

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No, I am not, because I've also been saving up a ton of icy gems.

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So that's where the whole blues idea with icy colored gems and rhimar accents is rolling around in my head.

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Esp since my alchemy sorter bag is mithril.

near crag
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what about like... almandine or murrey?

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(for the purple/red combo)

little mirage
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Murrey is okay, almandine doesn't float my boat since it's kinda brownish neutral.

near crag
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I'd recommend puce, but no one likes that word

little mirage
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The reason I was thinking aubergine is because I have a kirtle that color 😄

near crag
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if you already have something in that colour, branch out with something different! (Or not, totally up to you) 😄

little mirage
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It's a bummer about the gooseturd thing. One of my court dresses was actually italianate style and gooseturd with navy accents, it was beautiful. The fabric had tiny fluer de lis woven into it 😄

near crag
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😭

little mirage
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Or I would legit have that gown made via alterations.

near crag
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it's my hill to die on

little mirage
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I absolutely HAVE to figure out that shop with the bumrolls and farthingales....

near crag
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we can have bumrolls but not GTG... le sigh

remote badge
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always been a fan of dark blues and silver for Huntress followers, show off that Krrska vssparkly

near crag
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dark blues and silvers make an awesome combo even if you don't follow the Huntress!

little mirage
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Yeah, I was eyeing up a midnight blue fur cloak on the playershops.

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I noticed there was a really pretty celestial blue kirtle in one of the EG shops (if that inventory doesn't rotate...)

little mirage
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Cause I will climb up on that hill and die with you 😛

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It was used SO heavily in the Elizabethan period.

near crag
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I've never gotten an absolute reason why it isn't allowed, but I'm pretty sure it's because of 'turd'.

brittle coral
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Did someone say Murrey?

near crag
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meeeeee

brittle coral
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That's what I named the raccoons that come visit me.

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They are all Murrey.

near crag
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Like Negan, huh? 🤣

brittle coral
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the guy with the bat?

near crag
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Yup. He had everyone saying 'I am Negan'

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So that's what your raccoons are saying to you.

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"I am Murrey"

minor knoll
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near crag
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well, the colour is more like 'squashed flea'

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it's a shame though, that the word puce is so bleh sounding. Maybe because it's close to puke?

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Sorry, don't get me started on colour stuff.

minor knoll
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Yes I know better:😉:

wintry turtle
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"Puce" is a hideous word for a fairly beautiful color, actually. I feel the same way about it that I do about "bourde" -- lovely thing, wretched word.

verbal swan
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Bourde is like the fabric version of the m-word for me.

coral aspen
little mirage
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All that and now I have the 'nun' aesthetic stuck in my head.

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Makes me wonder if a veil can be altered to include a wimple?

wintry turtle
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You know, I have worn and can even like certain chartreuse things. Although I did have a chartreuse sweater about which a friend of a friend said, "I'm completely color-blind, and I can even tell that's an ugly color for a sweater." Don't caaare, I looked cute.

fringe rune
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This conversation has made me realize that colors can sound aesthetic and that's actually quite important in a text-only medium

little mirage
wintry turtle
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Hey now, the Wrap of Holding only conceals so much! 😄 I always envision it as kind of a shoulder-wrapped thing, like a shrug or a throw.

little mirage
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Funny that conversely I always imagined Lylia cacooned head to toe it it. 😉

wintry turtle
little mirage
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I feel that one too, Nachre is one of those. As is Puce.

wintry turtle
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And some words are just pretty by themselves. "Spangled." "Celadon." "Merlot." "Amaranthine."

little mirage
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Whereas something like 'Stygian' immediatly invokes something witchlike in my mind.

wintry turtle
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Yes! "Stygian" automatically sounds a bit more wicked.

little mirage
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Hrm.. would Scapular be an acceptable noun for an overgarment? Scapular being the the kind of surcoaty/aprony overgarment the nun wears over the base garment.

wintry turtle
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And there are some words that should sound pretty but have weird associations for me. "Niveous" is objectively pretty, but it always sounds like "nevus" to me because I have talked to people who have a retinal nevus and are concerned about it (no big deal, usually, just like a freckle).

wintry turtle
long niche
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Truth. When I dress my NPCs, I have a very specific image in mind, but I also sometimes keep certain details vague. For example, if I'm doing more of a monochromatic outfit and I am running out of synonyms for the color, I may exclude it from a couple items and let people just make assumptions about what color it is based on the rest of the outfit. They may picture the same color as the rest of the outfit or they may not. Doesn't matter to me.

long niche
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I'm sure I have other words I use a lot.

wintry turtle
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Oh, yes, I like to do that too, the leaving out of stuff if I feel a certain word's gotten too repetitive or if I've run out of synonyms. I also like to mix in some simpler/shorter words and descriptions for variety's sake, kind of like Sharon Stone wearing the plain Gap shirt to the Oscars.

long niche
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I do that too. I'll usually mix in items that only have a base description to offset longer items

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Statement piece or two and make the rest simple. Unless it's meant to be very extravagant, like at the coronation

wintry turtle
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Yes! I love it when there are some really beautiful base-description items at events and seek them out as wardrobe staples. Especially if they layer well. Loooove layering.

modest matrix
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I want the backless shirt with body paint in the undershirt slot. Let's make that a thing.

long niche
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Yeah, when I layer shirts and waistcoats, typically one is a long and one is a base

long niche
wintry turtle
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Speaking of which, for anyone who's preparing their alteration ideas for Merchant Week, don't overlook the Diverse Drapes and the fact that you can alter how the two pieces connect for some beautifully complex and novel combinations. https://gswiki.play.net/Diverse_Drapes

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I would actually love to see body paint in that way.

long niche
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I often wish clothes could smart layer... like show off a back tattoo if it's backless and you don't have a jacket on or something

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But it would require a huge overhaul i think

modest matrix
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We believe in you.

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In this overhaul, please make backpacks go ABOVE/ON TOP of jackets/cloaks

long niche
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Sir my coding skills are not that great

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Lol

wintry turtle
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Backpacks should do this logically, but I do appreciate that I can TUCK them. I don't think too closely about the fact that all of our characters would therefore look like Quasimodo.

long niche
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If it is tucked, it is not part of my outfit and I'm not acknowledging it at all, even when I take things out of the bag

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What backpack? I pulled this tower shield out of thin air

knotty stone
modest matrix
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Monster!

wintry turtle
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We could technically sort it above the cloak, but it wouldn't visually layer with it, e.g., "She is wearing a blah blah backpack over an extra-fancy cloak." But it'd still read that way.

knotty stone
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I'm confused why this is an issue. Cloaks are best when they're made of waterproof material. So it's best to layer it over everything to keep it all dry.

modest matrix
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I primarily wear jackets

knotty stone
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Jackets I could see the argument

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But cloaks? Nah. Backpacks underneath

silent vapor
wintry turtle
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Not allowed because it's a snowy/chilly word and therefore not what you're going for?

silent vapor
wintry turtle
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I completely get it! It's white, but it's not the right temperature of white.

coral aspen
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Clearly, you need an ice mage.

vestal glade
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I'm trying to get my sorcerer off the ghostly white kick. Currently his hood, armor, and pack are ghostly white.

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It mostly boils down to me handing an item over to the merchant and then doing my best Ruby Rod impression

random shuttle
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There's only 3 things that give me coding trouble - Turkish I's, and off-by-one errors

twin siren
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Wearing a pack over a cloak invalidates most of the good parts of a cloak and turns it into a strangulation hazard

vapid quail
lament aspen
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Wimple, cornette, yes

upbeat pendant
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wimple is a funny word

near crag
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little mirage
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little mirage
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I am really torn what I want my base garment to be; Kirtle, Cotehardie or Bliaut. Ungh.

tacit ermine
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get one of each 😄

fleet cloud
vapid quail
lime jungle
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Has anyone asked their basketifier into something a little less baskety?

verbal swan
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I think the noun is pretty set in the analyze

random shuttle
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I'm not even sure what else would be appropriate; cooler seems wrong. I could maybe see some sort of crate lined in rhimar though

vestal glade
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It has to stay a basket doesn't it?

random shuttle
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That's what the description says, yeah

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I'm just remarking that I don't even know what a different name would be that is a good synonym

verbal swan
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Only thing I can think of is a lunch pail

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or tin/steel/iron/copper pail

little mirage
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I am surprised the book does not have Wool as a fabric option.

lime jungle
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I just feel so silly pulling out a picnic basket.

remote badge
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So put out a table or cloth/blanket instead!

lament aspen
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An eeeevil blanket

lime jungle
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Pulling a flute of warm blood just isn't the same coming out of a pic-a-nic basket.

tacit ermine
lime jungle
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Oh you can get items out when the basket is in something??

tacit ermine
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sure can! I have to get limeade from willow basket or I get the What were you referring to? message.

lime jungle
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Good info!

tacit ermine
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so... there. problem solved. get all the basketifiers!

lime jungle
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Actual footage of Travia.

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lament aspen
tacit ermine
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Between the two of you, I'm feeling very called out and I'm dying with laughter LaughingBear

slender epoch
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Yep, I love getting drinks out of my basket while it’s in a container… especially when someone else has a table out,

So I can make it look like i poured whatever awful thing from THEIR table.

vestal glade
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"I came in with it!" - Travia probably

little mirage
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So... the most amazing dress filtered across my youtube dash, and I was wondering if there was someone who was super skilled with alteration wording would be interested to take a look at it and help me come up with an Alteration for it, please? It pretty much knocked my socks off 😄

random shuttle
little mirage
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Am I allowed to post a video in here?

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Cause I can't find any stills of it.

random shuttle
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can DM me if ya like?

little mirage
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'Lets see if this works

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It does not blah

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Oh the link will take you there though.

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It's floor length and I LOVE it.

random shuttle
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the black/white one?

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that's very ebon-gatey actually hah

little mirage
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Yes, the skirt is based on Gothic cathedral windows

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The only change I would make for Vindi would be pale silver for the skirt.

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Thet light blue gown is beautiful too, this lady is super talented!

random shuttle
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shot you a DM; hope you don't mind. Don't wanna clutter this up with iterations

fleet cloud
little mirage
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I need some last minute help, yikes! Anyone good with wording that can please help me come up with a good 15/15/15 and long for a Scapular, not the more jewelry kind, but the actual longer garment that goes over the back and front and is sideless like this:

800px-Cistersian_priests_in_Szczyrzyc_monastery.png
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Kind of would like to work in either the grey or (better) silver spectrum.

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Conversion is Huntress.

knotty stone
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I'd be more likely to call it a tabard or cyclas, if I'm being honest.

twin siren
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What's it going over? I ask because it will help with color suggestions

boreal saffron
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Could also call it a "chimere".

little mirage
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While the other nouns are nice, I am absolutely going for a nun-ish type look.

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If it wasn't for a Cleric I'd go with one of the other nouns 😄

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The reason I lean silver on the color is because Huntress symbol is the silver star on a field of black

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So kind of a tie in there, without going overboard on 'silver eight pointed stars' 😄

brittle coral
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Might I ... make a wee suggestion?

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Is the kirtle front worn? are the underskirts body worn? is the chemise undershirt worn?

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You may want to reorder to.... a side-laced night-hued velvet kirtle sporting fitted sleeves over a soft white lawn chemise with some dark silver crinoline underskirts underneath... BUT I would change underskirts to petticoats so that you don't duplicate under and I changed "with fitted sleeves" to "sporting fitted sleeves" so you didn't have a double with.

little mirage
brittle coral
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er

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So then the oder you are listing it would be wrong

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a side-laced night-hued velvet kirtle with fitted sleeves goes second
a dark silver crinoline underskirt goes third
a soft white lawn chemise underneath goes first if it is the over spot

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Your order will always be....

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OVER the front > BODY > Undershirt

little mirage
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I have sort auto head to toe on, would that be why?

brittle coral
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hmm

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I'd have to look....

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Cause head to toe shouldn't change that

little mirage
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You determine that you could wear the kirtle around your chest.

brittle coral
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So that's body

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what does the chemise say?

little mirage
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You determine that you could wear the chemise around your chest, beneath another garment.

brittle coral
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and the skirt?

little mirage
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That's a lacable one

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Same as the petticoats.

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I would have to unwear my dress and unlace it in a public place to inspect so I can't ATM LOL

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I believe it's on the legs?

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I think in the case of the underskirt it always goes where it goes since it's laced into the kirtle.

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I did not know about this aspect though (because I only just unlocked it all the way) TURNing the gown while laced with an underskirt will cycle through lacing styles of over, with, pinned over, pinned high over, gathered over, layered over, and front-split over. This item has custom lacing styles of "spread out widely from the hips over" and "arranged neatly over".

twin siren
# little mirage The reason I lean silver on the color is because Huntress symbol is the silver s...

Ok, in my brain nun-ish is based of Benedictine Nuns so black on black for scapular and tunic. You could evoke the monotone nature of the habit by doing a night-hued velvet scapular. If you wanted to break it up more I would suggest argent (or silver) trimmed night-hued (or other black synonym) scapular.

I know you said you wanted a silver scapular but I would do a black because when your holy symbol is worn over it it will look like the eight pointed silver start on the field of black.

Now, the habit is hugely symbolic as a bride and I don't think that's the symbolism that clerics of the Huntress would cling to. The Huntress was a body guard and I think her nuns would see themselves the same way even if they don't wear armor and swing weapons.

So that said I think that "tabard" is a better noun because of the martial connotation but still having the poncho like form of a scapular. I would use "coif" rather than "wimple" except that wimple screams nun and so I'd stick to bride symbolism rather than the body guard one there.

little mirage
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That is like... a lot 👀

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I figure I can reflect the warrior side in her leathers when I get those worked on?

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I don't have a hider.

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I am probably stuck on the imagery because lapsed Catholic who went to RCC schools, so I am programmed that way. I even had an aunt who was a Sister.

twin siren
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The imagery is good I was just suggesting a way to get similar imagery with different symbolism and explain why

little mirage
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And I do kind of like the bride symbolism, her dedication is to her Lady of Vengeance, not anything more earthly, other than the Order of Voln 😄

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I do like the night hued Scapular and the reasons for it.

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I might ask for some kind of argent trim though, because like you said, breaks up the black on black a bit ❤️

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I had Franciscans for high school though, and they were white tunic with black Scapular.

twin siren
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I would have suggested that except you have the dark kirtle

little mirage
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Those few that actually wore a habit anymore 😉

twin siren
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I like argent because in my mind it's 'brighter' than silver, probably because it's close to "urgent" and "strident"

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But I'm aphatasic so I have to lean on how words feel and connotations more than most do I would guess

little mirage
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This is what I ended up with thanks to Indres! a night-hued velvet scapular encircled by a belt of constellation-traced argent silk

brittle coral
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OOO its attached to the skirt that's why those things are falling that way. Okay. I couldn't reconcile how the system was organizing those in the layer-sense because that's not how they work.

timid lark
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Have a few questions, bounced around a bit before I found the appropriate thread.

Anyone know if sabatons are an appropriate noun for shoes/boots? Could be an armor only noun (like gauntlets) I did see them on the noun list though.

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is Eonake a threadable metal, and would I need a slab of it per item I wished to incorporate into a design, or is there some sort of weighting consumption.

  • this would be for non-functional use
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finally more of a naming creativity pickle, can't figure out how to describe a shirt thats asymetrical with buttons along one side of the chest rather than through the middle.

  • along this end I see arming doublet as both an available noun "under armor" and as functional armor. Are there specific layering pieces that count as 'under armor' rather than a chest worn shirt?
near crag
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side-placket?

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or cross-placket?

clever junco
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Could just describe it out. a <color> <material> shirt secured by an offset column of buttons.

near crag
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the placket is where the buttons go. BUT FINE. YOURS IS MORE 'IN PLAIN ENGLISH'! 😛 ❤️

timid lark
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placket is fun to say outloud, makes tongue happy, thank you both appreciate the advise!

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suppose side laced or side buckled could also work, side laced sounds more like a jacket or a bodice though.

near crag
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if you want buttons, don't do laced

timid lark
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agreed was thinking instead of, honestly now I want to wear a bodice because it'd be funny 😄

gloomy ibex
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for Deck the Halls. what are items that identify as Miscellaneous, bone/tooth?

knotty stone
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I had a foraged item prop acorn that I used for a miscellaneous side

gloomy ibex
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cool so ya think all foraged items will be misc

lament aspen
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Flowers are the flower side, a lot of pointy forgeable are on the pointy side

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Other foragables are misc, as are origami, weavables (that aren't flowers or ribbons), charms

gloomy ibex
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hmm, just looking for a forgeable that might be alterable.

brittle coral
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Let's start w. what you are intending, then we can tell you how to achieve that

gloomy ibex
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true. looking to alter something to PUSH into a animalistic totem so that it will have a look like "a fur-trimmed fel totem (decorated with a cat's whisker). but the item made into a cat whisker should be able to be PUSHed into other deck the halls items

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or (some cat whiskers) multiple

brittle coral
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oh, hmm, so it is organic material

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What about grass?

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but also did you see the flower you can get on that one quest at EG?

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That might.. you know... work for you

gloomy ibex
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i should see if its PUSHable into my totem

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a rich brown cat whiskers flower

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can't be inspected and analyze doesnt give much info.

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You analyze the cat whiskers flower and sense that the creator has provided the following information. This is a foraged item. It is a type of flower.

vestal glade
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So, since I can't change the noun of the new taxidermy kit, I need to change the noun on my herb kit.

a battered rowan leather herb kit

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taking suggestions

brittle coral
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a battered rowan leather vasculum

gloomy ibex
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that IS a good word. it literally is a plant gathering container. you can also try something like word hippo for other synonyms

vestal glade
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I like it, it's not going to be superceded by something else either. Maybe I'll have that done at some point next week.

timid lark
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would cloth-of-gold be considered a rare material?

coral aspen
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Nope!

timid lark
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awesome! now just trying to figure out how to fit it into the main material of a surcote with a crimson silk lining. this is math with adjectives

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suppose the base doesn't need to show the lining

gloomy ibex
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is your herb kit a survivalist kit or a regular herb kit? survival kits would have some nice mechanics to alter some of the insides. if it was a normal herb bag, make a cute show

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opps wrong person. mistook you for vorlash sorry savageheart

timid lark
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must be my high cheekbones. 😉

vestal glade
timid lark
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think my designs are a little vanilla but would appreciate any feedback! In other words rate my fit 🙂
This is for a giant paladin, wearing full plate.

base : a cloth-of-gold surcote lined in crimson silk <asking for a longcoat to be turned into a surcote for a plate armor wearer - maybe it doesnt fly>

base: a black spidersilk arming doublet <item to be altered Yansio Shirt > Not sure if this will fly arming doublets are on both the 'under armor' category as well as the armor category
long: a black spidersilk doublet secured with diagonal buckles

base: a pair of crimson spidersilk trousers
long: fitted crimson spidersilk trousers reinforced at the seams <edits!>

Still turning over the boots vs sabatons thing in my head, debating heavy leather gloves to match.

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not sure if silk is right for the trousers, not very utilitarian - but my creativity wanes.

upbeat pendant
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A lot of cloth things overlap with other pieces, like you could have robes the armor, robes the shirt, robes the cloak

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Sabatons I feel like I used to see them back in the day but not anymore? I just think if they were allowed I'd see more of them, so I think there is some restriction

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Also technically.... I'm never sure where merchants fall on fitted or form fitted, because say if they're on the floor, what form are they fitting? I'm sure there is some way around this, or is a grey area, but just a potential point of contention

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Besides those little things I think your ideas are great, I think there's much to say about a sleek look, you call it vanilla, I call it well designed and functional 😎

twin siren
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Silk actually is durable it's just because most modern silk things are light weight cloth that we think of it as fancy only

long niche
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fitted is ok (this is a generic enough term for indicating something is tailored to be close-fit in general and it's easy to tell even if it's on the ground...think of a pair of skinny jeans vs a pair of jncos), form-fitted/form-fitting I'd want the IACL script for since it says form in it.

timid lark
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Layering was just starting to be a thing when I took an extended vacation - so Im sure I don't exactly have any over armor peices other than a surcote that is an armor concealer in my locker but its not for plate. Somewhere I have a doublet and sash that were matched for layering to each other.

The base item for the surcote I had in mind was a normal (ish) yansio longcoat - its unlocked and I liked the scripts but a longcoat and plate armor don't quite fit

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I want to say that layering surcote would also only hold a small amount.

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EG2015ish merchant

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maybe before that

timid lark
upbeat pendant
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I have gauntlets as uac gloves thats not a big deal I dont think

timid lark
vestal glade
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long coats are shoulder worn, surcotes are over the chest no?

timid lark
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that is correct its the "cloak" shoulder worn slot I did not anticipate that

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surcoat is listed on shoulder worn though

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well under cloak not shoulder

boreal saffron
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Is there a way to expand space on TOP of an item?

timid lark
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the doublet worked hooray!

viscid abyss
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So I tried to remake an item I made a year or two ago just now...a razor-sharp rolaren infantry pike with a reinforced drakewood shaft...but was told the wood can't be used for a weapon. Just really disappointed. I mean I understand but I don't. Will do my best not to get so upset as to quit (again). I already want to disappear for the day. I mean I had it made previously.

vestal glade
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prior performance is no guarantee of current success unfortunately. Presumably there is a restriction on the material that prevents it from being used in that manner. The item you had previously, was it player made, or GM fashioned?

viscid abyss
# vestal glade prior performance is no guarantee of current success unfortunately. Presumably ...

It was made by a GM. It's my fault for starting to care about fluff. I should just go back to mechanics. They created the woodchopper boxes and encouraged us to use woods for forging but now only certain woods can be used!? I mean we've got potatoes that talk. If I want to use a wood in a weapon (which btw is not what the weapon is actually crafted of...it's crafted of rolaren), I would think I should be able to. I never had issues with merchants but now twice in the past week or so. I got pushback for trying to recreate an unadorned faenor relic (the original was an unadorned mithril relic (chrism holder) sold ots at eg back in the day). I just want to replace some of the stuff I used to own. Not asking for anything new and or crazy.

wintry turtle
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I'm sorry that happened; I know that frustration. There are things I had had done back in the day that would never fly today, and some of my items have designs that are now "illegal" (e.g., dreamvine instead of dreamphlox) and can no longer be touched. They have standardized a lot of materials fairly recently, and that has led to some being used just for certain purposes, such as decorative elements or musical instruments, and not suitable for weaponry. Others now require alter fodder that didn't before.

It's hard, but I also understand it. Standardizing things makes it less likely that you're going to have this merchant doing one thing and that one doing another and everyone feeling lousy about not getting their thing done or someone else getting a "wrong" alteration using a material that isn't suited for that.

split dagger
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for what it's worth, the wiki page on drakewood specifies that it's flexible and used for instruments, small items, and jewelry, so in this case i can understand the decision. that said, it would be really helpful to have a table somewhere of what materials can be used for what. although, "reinforced" implies there's something else strengthening it, so on the other hand i guess i don't entirely understand it. i've had pushback before on some really basic things, like 'gleaming' on an armament with a 'polished' show, which is a treasure system word used not only for armaments but also runestaves and jewelry. it is very frustrating when the explanation feels arbitrary and doesn't seem to make sense; i understand and empathize!

vestal glade
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the flip side to that is items like the chopper boxes and foraging and whittling knives and all the manner of crafting items in the game are there to help us as players standardize our materials and have them easily attainable with enough effort.

little mirage
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To Lylia's point, I still have a trenchcoat on one of my characters, an item that would neeeever fly today.

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I am sorry for the frustation you feel though.

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Perhaps look at a different way of incorperating it? IE: have the wood in the hilt carved into a drake, or something similar?

flat matrix
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I think too that there may be a way to "yes" on this -- supplying alter fodder + doing something like drakewood-inlaid shaft so it's clear it's made of something sturdier and not as flexible as drakewood. Sometimes in the moment, we are not as adept as we would like to be at thinking on our feet for alternatives.

Also, don't throw in the towel! While that one may not have worked, there are so many awesome things to use and do, that hopefully we can still find ways to make your experience good.

rain cave
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Is there someone out there I can trade messages with to give me some notes on my outlandish alter plans? I am mostly looking for help tempering my expectations for feature alterations.

vestal glade
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here is more or less fine

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it has the most eyes available

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and we won't judge

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much

rain cave
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I'll try and work up the courage

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I'm working on a pair of twins, some twins, a twins? It's two elves.

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He appears to be a very tall elf and has a willowy, statuesque build. He appears to be in the prime of life. He has elongated, violet-flecked silver eyes and pale, opalescent skin. He has waist-length, wild indigo hair streaked with metallic silver, woven through with slender crystalline strands and twisted into a loose spiral braid ending in tiny beads of moonstone above his left ear. He has a sharply angular, sculpted face, a thin aquiline nose and an intricate network of delicate silvery birthmarks tracing curvilinear patterns down his jaw. Clusters of faint, iridescent freckles dust his temples.

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He appears to be a very tall elf and has a willowy, statuesque build. He appears to be in the prime of life. He has elongated, violet-flecked silver eyes and pale, opalescent skin. He has waist-length, wild indigo hair streaked with metallic silver, woven through with slender crystalline strands and twisted into a loose spiral braid ending in tiny beads of lapis above his right ear. He has a sharply angular, sculpted face, a thin aquiline nose and an intricate network of delicate silvery birthmarks curling along his cheekbones. A single deep blue beauty mark sits just beneath his left eye.

vestal glade
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that would be a misfortune of elves I believe.

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2 or more elves

rain cave
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going for mostly similar looking with some small differences, and some mirrored visuals

tropic spoke
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Both of those seem structurally fine. You may or may not encounter push back on things that are unnatural colors like blue beauty marks

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Feature alterers basically do 1 sentence at a time so depending on how much of that you already have, you'll have quite a few sessions ahead of you

rain cave
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Oh i definitely will expect at least 3 or 4 sessions.

tropic spoke
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i'd suggest just having backups handy for any unnatural colors and i think you'll be fine

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hair color, skin color, freckle color

rain cave
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Thank you very much. I knew those would be the pain points, I appreciate your candor.

little mirage
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I need a good color to represent starlight on a shadowplay gown, any suggestions please?

rain cave
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silvery white?

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pale silver?

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unless going for a particular color of star

rain cave
little mirage
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We ended up with Lunar White 😄

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Though, it got done before there were any replies.

near crag
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Anyone know if shadowplay can have shows?

modest matrix
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Can anyone share some neat things you've made with shadowplay garments so I can get an idea of what's possible with the light/dark influence

clever junco
long niche
modest matrix
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Now that I understand what's happening I'm going to work on the other two sides. I didn't want to hold everyone up perfecting it. But thank you. Partial credit should go to someone I don't remember!

near crag
lime jungle
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Anyone have an altered basketifier I can see? I have no idea what people do with these.

tropic spoke
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Basket's Blanket: a floriated ruhani wool blanket
With a long description of: a floriated ruhani wool blanket rife with pastel-stitched songbirds

Table Base: a rough trestle table
With a long description of: a rough trestle table strewn with sheaves of thilban and lytani leaves.```
verbal swan
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a long narrow basket of woven willow withes and honeysuckle vines

Basket's Blanket: a fleece-lined cream and sage blanket
With a show description of: Lined in sage green fleece, the oblong blanket has a decorative nature-themed design woven upon a cream-hued background.  Teal and canary yellow flowers mingle with dusky brown mushrooms throughout the pattern, while oversized bumble bees in ebon and bright orange create an alternating pattern with sage green and red moths.  Leaves and vines stretch in the negative space, creating a busy display of foliage.
Table Base: a bark-edged white birch table
With a show description of: Curls of bark decorate the edges of the birch table, the thin strips of ebon-slashed white bright against the blonde finish.  Autumn-kissed leaves fashioned of silk encircle the legs and are anchored in place by carefully arranged verdant green moss.  A runner of warm amber and dusky teal hues stretches across the table, providing a cushion to the various plates, pinecones, and acorns that are scattered across its surface.```

```a hammered copper picnic basket lined in crimson flannel
Table Base: a figured koa slab table
With a long description of: a figured koa slab table bordered in lush lyshaelyn-mosaicked ivy```
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Table:  an antique widowwood dining table buffed to an iridescent sheen```
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The basket on this one is still basic AFAIK but the table looks like this:

With a long description of: a live-edge satiny sapele table with a charred split at one end```
wintry turtle
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With a long description of: a leaf-embossed jacquard cloth in warm autumnal hues
Table Base: a verlok-carved red maoral table
With a long description of: a verlok-carved red maoral table set with gleaming silver candelabra```
I generally don't go for show descriptions.
clever junco
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With a long description of: a tufted vanilla paeline blanket edged in honeyed taqitzka applique
Table Base: a rectangular evirissia table
With a long description of: a rectangular evirissia table inlaid in a floral dream agate tableau```

```Basket's Blanket: a nacre velvet blanket
With a show description of: a maedatha-backed verditer nacre velvet blanket bordered in tonal heartleaf
Table Base: a blonde resaeun table
With a long description of: a blonde resaeun table carved along the legs in schools of rose-washed nielira```
stiff rose
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a makeshift blanket comprised of a tattered black funerary shroud
a roughly hewn ghostwood table featuring gleaming bone inlay```
boreal saffron
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a low driftwood table inlaid with colorful tiles of seaglass
a quilted lavender picnic blanket stuffed with a layer of downy fluff```
random shuttle
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By the way, love that description

wintry turtle
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Thank you! ❤️ I am lazy with shows because I don't always look at stuff, so I like to just see it all in one go in the room description.

random shuttle
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yeah I'm hemming and hawing on mine. Lucky (or not) for me, I have more time to think about it, it seems 😄

long niche
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Solution: buy multiple baskets and get all your ideas

random shuttle
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Still gotta win the first spin, haha

clever junco
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Baskets are also really good "year long" projects

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I have a couple with just the blanket done and some with the table done and use them for specific projects 🙂

wintry turtle
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Indres mentioned that she will be back throughout the week and will work on baskets.

knotty stone
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Hope so! That's one of the main things I want to get done!

quick trout
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Hi, With the new EG vault shadow box and its ability to add long descriptions to items like gems, is there a specific syntax that I should ask for with my DTH, Veola and Joola alterations so that they show the full long of inserted objects? I tried each of those with a newly shadowboxed items and none of the longs showed.

lament aspen
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No, those will not be allowed

quick trout
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Huh. What was the intended use case for items altered with the shadow box?

verbal swan
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forehead gem glue, dermal piercers, things that are made of gemstone but aren't actual gemstones

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it's a non-exhaustive list

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chrism gems

vestal glade
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Items without scripts mostly

verbal swan
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They aren't as broadly useful as we'd LIKE because most if not all scripty things that take a gem as a setting/field will only use at most the 15/15/15

quick trout
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Huh. Had it ever occurred to me that they wouldn't work with those objects I probably would not have gone fishing in the spooder pile as long as I did... Kind of feel like a threw away a lot of money for nothing

vestal glade
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I wouldn't be so sure I'd go that far yet, it's a brand new item that has yet to stretch it's legs. And you can alter and add longs to a ton of items all by yourself with it. I believe they mentioned it's limitations when it was released. You could probably get value out of your spider pile if you sold it as a package deal

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I'm sure there is someone who hates RNG that would buy a stack outright.

clever junco
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Daxela boxes for gems are A+

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You tap some spiraled sapphire earrings caught in a graduated web of chains

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(this will also work on the jewelry you can buy in Cysaegir)

quick trout
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So I'm just trying to determine what setting works.

tropic dagger
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hello! Trying to come up with a plan for my cloak which is t1 dramatic drapery. I haven't attempted to alter anything with rules, before, so I'm going a bit crosseyed. I'd originally wanted to just change the 15/15/15 for this, but not sure how involved it is beyond that.
currently: a loose ivory angora wool gaberdine threaded with gold

I bought a bolt of sunrise naiquard to use as the material, but it seems like "sunrise naiquard" is 16 characters on its own, so unsure how to proceed with changing it up. was wanting something like "an ample sunrise naiquard cloak trimmed with samite", but maybe I need to use the naiquard in the long due to the length? any advice/thoughts?

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the analyze starts with:


        Material: fuzzy fabric
           Color: dark green
      Cover Type: cowl
 Cover Adjective: colorful knitted
   Sigil Article: an intricate
     Sigil Color: dark green (defaults to the gaberdine color if not set)
      Sigil Noun: sigil```

so I'm guessing fuzzy fabric shows up in the verbs, and changing all of these components changes up the actions instead of the 15/15/15?
tropic spoke
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I too ran into the 16 character problem with that material. I ended up using a bolt of sunset naiquard instead 😅

The only way to use sunrise will be putting it in the long desc which means it won't be able to be included in those various settings :\

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you could truncate it to just naiquard of course

tropic dagger
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oof

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maybe I just assist and try to refund for the sunset instead!

vestal glade
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is sunset the color?

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or the type of fabric?

tropic dagger
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color, I think?

vestal glade
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perhaps you could add it to the material as Naiquard and use the color field to inform?

tropic dagger
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This light and silky material holds gradients that transition from dark mauve to dark lavender, to light plum to light orange, and finally canary yellow.

verbal swan
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instead of having to go through an assist queue

tropic dagger
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Sure, if you don't mind

tropic spoke
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oh true, yeah its the color. perhaps they will let you break it up into those two fields. sorry I'm precoffee rn

tropic dagger
#

do I understand the basic functionality of dramatic drapery, though? the 15/15/15 is separate from the list of components in the analyze, and the analyze has to do with the verbs?

tropic spoke
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With the caveat that I do not have one of these so i'm not 100% sure, i would understand it to be seperate. The 15/15/15+long is not "made of" the customization slots... the emote and usage scripting is informed by the customization slots

frigid grove
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Sunset naiquard is the name of the fabric. I think "naiquard" alone is too broad

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The different types of naiquard have different colors

clever junco
#

Some of our material names have gotten a smidge long. 😆

frigid grove
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Yeah I'm sorry I am kind of sick and delirious so I don't even know if I'm helping. But I guess what I mean is that I don't think you could just have "naiquard" in the fabric field

clever junco
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You are helping ❤️

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And I'm sorry you're sick 🫂

frigid grove
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lol it means I am home to catch more merchants but it also means that my brain isn't working when I try to come up with alterations

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Luckily many GMs have been patient and helpful

random shuttle
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Likewise the color field isn't actually the color of the cloak, it's the color of the magic effects

tropic dagger
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Gotcha. So I could keep this thing as angora wool and have the naiquard show up in the verbs, for example

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which would make it, like, the inner lining or something

random shuttle
tropic spoke
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i would use the sunset naiquard in your 15/15/15+long, and then for the color customization, you could do like, "dusk-hued"

tropic dagger
#

that seems simpler, yeah

random shuttle
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well again that's the thing - do you want the magic color to be the same as the cloak?

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the color customization field is really for the magical effects (and the sigil defaults to the same magic color unless you specifically override)

tropic dagger
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I like the idea of the material being sunset naiquard, then the magic color just being the apex brightest yellow color, like of the actual sun

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sounds like more than one session though

random shuttle
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It's not

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Just get your whispers all lined up and clear ahead of time; merchants know how to handle them

tropic dagger
#

and these are one of those "any merchant willing to touch it" kind of items, right?

random shuttle
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Should be. I would think that most GALD merchants at EG will handle it just fine

tropic spoke
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Mmmm ymmv. Many alterers will only do 2 or 3 customizations per session. You can also do up to 3 slots for 300 PP with Sadie.

tropic dagger
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cool. I'll tinker with it and get my ideas straight. thanks for talking me through this one (and for trading with me @verbal swan )

random shuttle
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If a non-combat item is predominately crafted of a specific metal, are we able to change that? I'm specifically looking at the vasculums and they all have different "predominately crafted of"

vestal glade
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usually, but the rare materials require donor metal

fringe rune
#

Just checking the temperature here, what level of Japanese nouns is acceptable? I'm thinking specifically of turning a belt into an obi and a smoking pipe into a kiseru.

modest matrix
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Pretty sure that's a no-go, as Japan doesn't exist in Elanthia. But we have Erithians who somehow have very similar japanese nouns for weapons.

twin siren
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I think kimono and the weapons are pretty much the only ones that can be used

modest matrix
# 
ALTER 23: Wording - Out Of Genre and Obscure Terms

Don't ask for items that give you a mental image of something outside of the Elanthian realm.  ...  The same is true for real world language-based names such as choli, sarong, etc., which can all be adequately described in detail using common Elanthian terms (bodice or shirt, and wrap-skirt) or Elanthian racial/cultural-specific nouns.
clever junco
fringe rune
#

Looks like I'll have to go with either sash or vatanura / stick with pipe for these ideas then. Thanks all!

fringe rune
#

Oh the instruments too, saw that shamisen and biwa were available at RW and those are kinda deep cuts

knotty stone
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I do love me some shamisen music, especially from the Yoshida brothers

flat matrix
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Kimono used to not be allowed, but sometime after 2011ish, it got approved. We have a handful of terms that are either grandfathered in/mistakes/or fit a set of criteria making it allowable to use a non-English word.

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So you'll see some things, but we wanted also to make sure erithi were their own special Elanthian race!

knotty stone
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I really need to play my erithi more. Just wish there were more to RP with!

fringe rune
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A follow on question, would cummerbund be an acceptable noun? I can still stick with sash if not.

clever junco
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I bet you'd see more of them if the ladies weren't half bald

knotty stone
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Listen. My ladies are not bald, not even half bald

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It says they "often" wear their hair in a fringe. Doesn't mean everyone does

flat matrix
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They aren't half bald....that was just one depiction! Even that original lore says they are OFTEN like that

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often =/ always

quick trout
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Mine is half bald, but only because she shaves the sides clean a la bella hadid.

mossy mist
#

Never has a GS race been done so dirty by the art. The art itself is great, but boy does it stand as a representation of not-ideal 😬

knotty stone
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See my girl? NOT. BALD.

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clever junco
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That art made it really hard to see them as anything but that.

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But their lore, their clothing, their verbs... all of it is just ChefsKiss

knotty stone
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I absolutely adore erithi. I wish I had more reason to play them, but it's hard to be the ONE person of your race, both on your main and on your alt

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Cause Sylvans aren't exactly common either

clever junco
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squints at sylvan discord I meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

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67 vs 9 atm =p

random shuttle
knotty stone
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Maybe not extremely, but definitely far fewer than other races

fringe rune
#

I think the option of city elf is just too strong flavorfully thanks to Tolkien, you have to have a pretty specific concept in mind to want to pick country elf

mossy mist
#

What the. Tree Elf, please.

knotty stone
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Sylvan, thanks

random shuttle
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Wood Elf (It really used to be wood elf)

twin siren
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Holler Elf

coral aspen
#

We're getting astray from the topic, y'all.

modest matrix
fringe rune
#

How does merchant lightening / deepening work?

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If I were to submit a 5 pound cloak that can hold a significant amount for work, would I be able to get both done? How far would the merchant generally be able to take the example cloak?

verbal swan
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it's one or the other, and I doubt you could lighten it more.

vestal glade
#

it's also extremely rare due to the prolifferation of lightening and deepening notes

light flame
#

Has anyone altered a kaleidoscope by chance?

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I'm trying to figure out how I would do custom phrase?

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Its seems very involved

slow fulcrum
vestal glade
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the limits on the notes and merchants is largely the same, one just circumvents the process and can set it to whatever setting they are willing to take it to. There are some items that break that convention, however those are usually extremely rare/old.

upbeat pendant
random shuttle
hasty berry
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can i use metal fodder (black ora, krodera, eonake) as an accent piece for armaments (eonake-banded, etc)?

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like "a white shield banded in eonake" or something like that.

timber fiber
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Yes but not the ores

hasty berry
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right thank you

lime jungle
#

Indres slips her mask, concealing her face from view...
Is this a bug, should it be slips on her mask, or her mask on? I'm fine if that's ok just wanted to bugitem if it needs it.

lime jungle
lime jungle
lime jungle
#

what's a good word for multiple things meeting in the center of an item?

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Converging is the best I can come up with

timber fiber
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coalescing?

rotund inlet
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uniting?

lime jungle
#

Ropes coming together to tie into an item, specifically.

coral aspen
#

Culminating?

twin siren
#

Knotting, twisting, weaving, is ravelling a word?

rotund inlet
#

raveling is a word

coral aspen
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And a good book series

vestal glade
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Cohere, convene, splice

lime jungle
#

Alright, great suggestions, but I went with converging.

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Pulling the elaborate belt of dark braids converging around a talon-formed troll cross from around your black linen shroud, you throw it open wide, the movement punctuated by a chorus of rattling noises from the charred avian skulls sewn into it.

vestal glade
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sometimes it's just "go with your gut"

rotund sundial
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Hey all. I'm looking to socialize some ideas for altering my duskbringer warlance. So, here are some things to note:

  1. It has four descriptions that are alterable (Daybringer Active / Inactive and Nightbringer Active / Inactive) and each article and adjective can change. There are also two colors and a gem that are alterable (they don't change, it seems, between active / inactive status, but they can for the Day or Night version)

So this is heavily alterable.

  1. The Daybringer currently has white and crimson colors on it, a golden topaz, and flares fire and plasma (when active).
    The Nightbringer active has midnight black and radiant white colors on it, a black diamond, and flares disentigration and cold.

  2. I've been kicking around the ideas I'm kicking around: Having Day (maybe holier) vs Night (more sinister) styles on each, as well as, Active vs Inactive looks.

Right now, by default:
Daybringer active: a fiery warlance
Daybringer inactive: a dull warlance

Nightbringer active: a distorted elven warlance etched in radiant white eonake veins
Nightbringer inactive: an icy blue elven warlance with rhimar and obsidian veins twisting down the shaft

I'd LOVE to just get some thoughts on ideas on how to make this weapon more themed to it's characteristics.

lime jungle
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I like the idea of the inactive parts being sort of disfigured or otherwise decrepit looking and the active being whatever matches you, so seems like radiant and beaming visuals.

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Something like
Active Day: a fiery scarlet elven warlance decorated in radiant white enonake veins
Inactive Day a gnarled sanguine elven warlance with streaks of char along its length

Active Night: a distorted shadowy elven warlance with brilliant rhimar and obsidian veins down the shaft
Inactive Night: a dull black elven warlance with deep winding grooves engraved down the shaft

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Or something to that effect. Could def better word those but just trying to illustrate the idea.

random shuttle
#

Argh - how do people decide between LONG and SHOW for picnic blankets/tables?

clever junco
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So, for me, I never look at blankets/tables... there's so much going on and I just forget =p

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That being said, a show means a shorter base which can flow better with the static food on it description that gets tagged on it

random shuttle
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yeah that's kinda where I'm waffling - I realize people would have to look directly at it but also the long will get real long w/ food on it

lime jungle
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Can blood red hand finger/nail customizations only be one word?

random shuttle
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sanguineous?

wintry turtle
#

It'd be hard to make that work with an "and" in there as that would eat up five spaces all by itself (three letters plus a space at either side). So I see it as maybe soft-capped at one word.

lime jungle
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Yea, I was even just thinking a two or three word (e.g. subtly charred) combo or something.

wintry turtle
#

Ohh. That's a possibility! I was thinking in terms of, say, "red and swollen" or other "and" phrases. But if they allow multiple words, that would also make sense.

upbeat pendant
mossy mist
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It doesn't have to be "fiery" specifically, either

# 
 Adjective: infernal
 Long (Post Noun): with flickering incarnadine flares```
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Is my axe

quick trout
#

Hello I was denied use of 'daringly cut' for a gown GALD today. Would appreciate a QC ruling on that for the future, as it's something I've used a few times before.

lime jungle
#

Are tent trash cans altered via the tent itself? I can't PLACE to remove it so I assume that's the case?

lament aspen
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You either alter it on the certificate before you add it, or yes, edit as a customization alter on the tent itself, separate and distinct from a tent alteration

random shuttle
#

Question for anyone who has altered a spider - what can you alter about it? I assume the description + patterns, but can the material be changed?

vestal glade
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I don't believe so

random shuttle
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Easy enough to grab a duplicate for a given material, just wanted to be sure. Thanks 🙂

knotty junco
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Correct, yeah. The alteration patterns within cannot modify the material going into it, nor can the spiders change what type of material they will individually work on.

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Just thing of it as a neat LONG 🙂

random shuttle
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So when the next batch of spiders comes out that can modify organic materials, those spiders will be able to modify spiders, right (the LONG only of course)? 😄

vestal glade
random shuttle
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I don't but in theory a spider could give it that description

vestal glade
#

I don't think they inspect as any particular material... hmm

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`You determine that you can only use an ichor black limestone spider with a spidersilk apothecary.

It looks as though the spider is an alteration specimen and will work on items that are stone.`

mossy mist
#

Is there a list of alternate names for containers?

random shuttle
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What slot?

mossy mist
#

I need to change my survivalist kit to a not-kit, because it's conflicting with my taxidermy kit

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belt

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And I have lots of containers so the standard ones are out

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No sack, tote, satchel, case, pack, harness

random shuttle
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Pouch I assume is also a no

mossy mist
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Actually available, surprisingly

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Would "rig" work?

random shuttle
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Pouch, sack, bag, uh…

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Belt, if it holds wands 😉

mossy mist
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Oh, this is helpful: #1057031066885558332 message

random shuttle
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Cache, maybe?

mossy mist
#

survival carryall seems fitting

vestal glade
#

vasculum

mossy mist
#

Have one of those too. I have a container problem I think 😬

vestal glade
#

case?

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I had to change mine from kit because I got a taxidermy kit and that can't be altered.

mossy mist
#

Yeah, that is my situation

upbeat pendant
stiff rose
#

I turned my survivalist kit into a pouch. Nice and simple.

twin siren
#

Poke is an belt worn container noun

hollow rampart
knotty junco
#

I also recommend reticules!

lament aspen
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Survival reticule

knotty junco
#

Everyone needs one!

modest matrix
#

How would you describe the black parts

flat matrix
#

ebon/black trim

random shuttle
#

definitely trim

timber fiber
#

or perhaps "black detailing" if you want to include the buttons

modest matrix
#

I was trying to shove that in the first part of an alteration but it seems harder than shoving that stuff into the end

timber fiber
#

a black-detailed white < > jacket?

flat matrix
#

yeah, you can wind up with too much before the noun that way, where it is technically correct but doesn't flow, but short and simple like Rohese's would work

modest matrix
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like an ebon-trimmed white material corset vest just seems front heavy, idk why it bothers me lol

flat matrix
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a white material corset vest trimmed in ebon brocade, etc

timber fiber
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I get that but if you don't add a long description after the noun, it could work still. Especially if the rest of the outfit has longs

modest matrix
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I thought for the corset vests the long descriptions were all predefined

flat matrix
#

oh that I don't know

timber fiber
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Oh could be, sorry, I haven't had a chance to check them out yet

flat matrix
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I'm talking in general, so if a script has a different requirement, you'll have to follow that, yeah

clever junco
#

There is a single customizable long you can do.

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And could be real cheeky and use <metal> for the buttons so you could potentially switch it out but start with glaes/mithril/etc

neon spindle
#

shade skinks alterable?

neon spindle
opal urchin
mossy mist
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I went with a simple surival bag

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It's short and easy to type

lime jungle
#

@woven goblet ...flickering form of a fiery phoenix made of misty green motes...

Please make this fantastic fuscia motes one day.

woven goblet
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(But ya, I see the alliteration, 😆 )

grim kelp
fleet cloud
#

Too much to hope fer?
A high gloss sheen reflects ambient light on the standard's bright orange triangular surface, the flexible pole waggles just slowly enought to make out the motto: Be safe out there!

Got nuffin to do wit bicycles! Nopers..nuffin at all. 😉

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(Second Choice, "Ride, den die!")

sharp gyro
#

Instead of waggles I would try sway slowly enough

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Sways

fleet cloud
#

👍 dissa sway anna datta sway!

vestal glade
#

I wonder if the implied motion is allowed.

fleet cloud
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A faint silver sheen ripples along the standard's fabric at measured intervals, a counterpoint to the pulsing gleam of the runes scribed along the full length of the pole.

I was more worried it was too long! Dat's da default up der.

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"Ripples." If'n penquins had ripples we'd all haf cheese up inna Icemool!

vestal glade
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^_^

knotty stone
#

Does eahnor still need to be provided for alters? The alter fodder page on the wiki says it does, and yet there are several eahnor items for sale off the rack at EG. If it does need to be provided, where does one acquire the alter fodder?

random shuttle
#

does the inspect of an eahnor item say that still? I've had items altered to add certain metals and merchants have just accepted items made from those metals (I used a faenor dagger to add faenor decoration to my bow). Obviously I can't speak for every merchant, just my own experience with "rare metal" alters

coral aspen
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Yes, eahnor still needs to be provided for alter fodder. Best bet is an armament or piece of marked alter fodder. However, unless the alter fodder specifically says what you can do with it, it is still subject to ALTER rules, which standardly means accent only for that rarity.

mossy mist
#

Bracelet, Armband, and Glove waiver all change the worn location of the host item. You will lose any alteration on the item if you use the worn location change. Flare change certificates can be found at the High End Scrip Shop.
Well crap, should've read the fine print before I altered my axe - realized too late that my plan of eventually having flare gloves on this guy was going to conflict with the parasite gloves 😩

fleet cloud
coral aspen
fleet cloud
#

FYI fer udder folks not in da know... Smelter ore costs ye "funny money" (festibal script) ... so's Imma glad dat it still counts twards da "find me some eahnor" (or udder ore) requiremints!

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Wastin a pound tho to make some inlay...when ye coulda forged a dagger... hmm... Imma idjit.

brittle coral
coral aspen
brittle coral
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OH

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I thought she meant that ore could only be purchased at ... nevermind, I understand now

vestal glade
#

occasionally I have to put my thinking cap on to help me sound out the words when she speaks. She is truly on another level and wise beyond measure.

coral aspen
#

I admit, I had to make sure I was reading it right, which is why my response said slabs. Since they often get mixed up together.

vestal glade
#

I'm firmly convinced she is the embodiment of Tom Bombadil on our plane of existence and we mortals catch but a glimpse of her true nature in her words.

neon spindle
#

is war mask/warmask a allowed thing?

vestal glade
#

I have seen them in the past, but I don't know if that is an approved noun. I have one of the old mithril war masks in my locker.

neon spindle
long niche
#

So, my personal opinion is that it makes sense as a noun ("war mask" -- not "warmask") because from my research, a "war mask" is a very specific thing. However, that being said, I'd probably still run it by some other QCers or maybe put up for review before I allowed it just because there's no recent precedent. It also wouldn't be able to be a helmet (if that was the intention).

vestal glade
#

mine is! :laughs in old:

neon spindle
#

which war mask would be very fitting for i feel.. a mask that turns into a weapon, makes sense!

vestal glade
#

I think the new black ora weapons would be a great fit for a war mask revival.

neon spindle
#

when altering the mask.. am i altering the appearance line for it?

vestal glade
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in what respect?

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as in what it looks like attached to your character's appearance? It should match what the item shows when you tap it no?

lament aspen
#

For the black ora masks, yeah. The 15/15/15 can be altered and the 15/15/15 only shows up in the feature, 15/15/15 obscures one side of his face. The adjective/middle 15 has to be a metal. And not all GMs can alter the masks.

brittle coral
#

Isn't it called a visage?

lament aspen
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Visard or mask, but it says it can be altered

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Dunno about war mask

brittle coral
#

That's what I was looking for, visard.

vestal glade
#

:worst german accent ever: you called ja?

neon spindle
#

mine is vizard.. i double dont like it lol

neon spindle
lament aspen
#

Yeah, I think you can stack that. Lance alter (show OR long) plus read would be 300 for alter, mask would be 300 for customization. The scroll might take longer because you need someone who is approved to alter them online and processing Sadie services at the same time you are onlinr

neon spindle
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ahh id rather wait a bit longer and make sure it gets to the appropriate GM who can do it so no worries on that, thank you Vanah 🙂

modest matrix
vestal glade
#

I've been called worse.

near crag
#

Ok, before I 'try' something dumb and oops myself to a permanent mistake... black ora jewelry still in a box. If I do it correctly, could I theoretically spooderize it?

lament aspen
#

No.

near crag
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Ok. I was curious, but glad I asked first!

modest matrix
#

a ... necklace worn loosely around the neck worn loosely around the neck worn loosely around the neck worn loosely around the neck

Looks like I'm going to have to bug this Look at Me necklace.

random shuttle
#

wow yeah that's a hula hoop

vestal glade
safe umbra
opal urchin
modest matrix
#

I will check my logs

safe umbra
#

Thanks. Will be helpful knowing what the item looked like before you applied the script, too. I assume some sort of edge case since this is the first time I've heard this happening with those and they've been out a while.

warm steppe
#

When a hydra wears a necklace…

vestal glade
modest matrix
# 
13:43:56: >inven enhan list
13:43:56: You are not holding any enhancive items.
13:43:56: You are wearing the following enhancive items:
13:43:56:   a thin silver rope chain necklace worn loosely around the neck (3/22 charges)

13:44:15: Reaching up, you pull your rope chain necklace over your head and remove it.
13:44:15: Relton peers at the necklace through a large green crystal lens.  He says, "I can charge this up a bit.  It'll cost 16,800 of your bounty points, though."
13:44:15: You have chosen to recharge a thin silver rope chain necklace worn loosely around the neck.  The cost is 16,800 points.  Please enter ORDER 5 CONFIRM within 30 seconds to complete your order.
13:44:15: Taking your necklace, Relton also retrieves a velvet-lined wooden box and places the necklace inside.  As he closes the ornately carved lid, the decorated legend "Professor Vott's Marvels" can be made out.  A rising whine followed by a brief blinding flash from the box indicate that something significant has happened to its contents.
13:44:15: Relton smiles and hands the necklace back to you.
13:44:15: Reaching around the back of your neck, you slide your rope chain necklace around it and fasten it, letting the end hang loose over your chest.
13:44:17: >inven enhan list
13:44:18: You are not holding any enhancive items.
13:44:18: You are wearing the following enhancive items:
13:44:18:   a thin silver rope chain necklace worn loosely around the neck worn loosely around the neck worn loosely around the neck (13/22 charges)

Looks like recharging the enhancive caused it

random shuttle
#

That makes sense though - more charges, more chain 😉

modest matrix
#

FWIW. I don't recommend adding Look at Me to enhancives because you will no longer be able to armoire them.

fleet cloud
feral dragon
#

Can the spheres made by Elemental Rings be altered through some means? I'd love to change the hues in my water ring from blues to yellows....

clever junco
twin siren
#

I think that elemantalists say that when your water hues are yellow that it's a sign to increase your hydration

silent vapor
#

And to clarify on the rings.... the actual shades of the colors are hardcoded. So you can't do custom colors or anything. But you can say, "Switch me from the blue set to the yellow set."

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And the options are red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, brown, black, and white.

neon spindle
#

if my tag is on the weapon side of black ora.. and i wear it, will it still be able to be done.. or do i have to keep it in weapon form?

lament aspen
#

Should be fine, the weapon itself is stored inside the mask and still counts as two separate items

#

Or I guess three now with the tag

neon spindle
#

thank you

lament aspen
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Sorry if it ruins the illusion! Still spooooky and mysterious

vestal glade
neon spindle
#

one last question on them, do i need to keep it on my premium account guy.. or will it still get worked on if my other guy is using it?

verbal swan
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Needs to be on the guy with the tag

neon spindle
#

alright thank you

clever junco
#

I'm having a bit of a struggle and trying to figure out how to make something work.

Basically, I'm looking to create an item that is going to be imbedded in my private property under the sofa. It's going to be a pile of treasure.

I'm having difficulty finding a base item that's acceptable (I thought smooth stone would work, was told it would not).

And also being told that it's not something you can hold so it can't be altered into a pile of treasure.

So I can't imbed it until it's altered, but it's not normally something you'd be able to get altered and walk around with... sooo how do I go about getting a thing altered that I want to imbed in my property?

slender epoch
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Would a Deck the Halls item work?

clever junco
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DTH cannot be imbedded into a property.

modest matrix
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Alter a DTH into a pile of treasure, and then dabbler off the DTH so it can be imbedded

warm steppe
#

Pretty sure you can’t dabbler off DTH

vestal glade
#

Well... not with that attitude for sure.

stiff rose
#

Honestly it sounds we need a new type of item/certificate that's sole purpose is to be altered for a property. It won't show up as the end item until placed/redeemed/whatever by the property owner, just some type of voucher with stored info. That way things that work just fine for properties but not not normally satisfy alter rules can still be easily made via merchants.

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Please don't make it 10k alt currency.

clever junco
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I'd be happy with a Sadie Scroll option for this, too.

neon spindle
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did we ever settle on if warmask for the unholy weapons was allowable?

lament aspen
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I submitted a question about it, no response yet

neon spindle
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no worries, might have a chance to get something worked on so was curious if we found anything out..

knotty stone
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Is it possible to alter a gem object into an erithian gem, if I provide the alter fodder? I picked up a bunch of erithian alter fodder at EG this year, and I'd love to make some of them into gem objects so I can use them in Veolas and other similar items.

Also, I asked at EG and I admit I've forgotten, but how would I go about doing similar for pieces of lyshaelyn and ithaenil? I've already got the alter fodder pieces. I would like to use them in gem-holding items like Joolas and DtH items.

coral aspen
clever junco
quick trout
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I'm baffled why a gem would've been created as not gem. Seems like a correctable error?

rotund inlet
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it would be helpful if all the gem alter fodder was created as gems! i have run into this weirdness too

clever junco
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Having to use an alter spot on something like making a gem an actual gem feels bad.

stiff rose
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I suspect that being created as non-gems is what allows them to be put inside the antiquarian's apparatus, but I could be offbase there

rotund inlet
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the agitas also go in the apparatus

verbal swan
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The ones from EG, not the ones from RW

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also the ones from RW are heavy

lament aspen
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there's a lot of stuff in game, and some stuff predates other stuff. Some stuff wasn't built like other stuff because there was othing to with with the other stuff at the time the stuff was built

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I don't know about these specific things or stuff

stiff rose
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the original agita sold at Rumor Woods was set up as a gem, which is why they work with things that take gems like Veolas, etc. this means it also does NOT work with the apparatus.

I believe the newer agita sold at Ebon Gate is set up instead as strictly alter fodder so that the apparatus can store/stack it. I am not 100% sure but I believe it doesn't work with things that take gems as a result; would need someone with that type to confirm.

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(to be more precise, the RW agita inspect as being made from gemstone, but they fall under "misc" when looking inside a container with sortedview flagged on.)

fringe rune
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Are cobbling dyes compatible with the alteration book?

lament aspen
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Yes, but since the book doesn't know what color it is it might not work with all materials or flowers or gemstones or whatever

high wadi
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How does the name "fillet knife" make it onto the official alternate names list for daggers so I can get it in my Blacksmith's Companion?

vestal glade
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I'm not sure that it would, since a fillet knife does something completely different than an average dagger?

high wadi
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I don't think it does anything different other than match the string "fillet" to give a benefit to filleting fish. There is a fillet knife for sale at a shop in Mist Harbor already that is a dagger base, not a separate kind of item.

vestal glade
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I meant in terms of what a fillet knife is for, vs what a dagger is for canonically. If there is one in the game already, then it should probably be looked at to be added to the list if they've already ruled that it counts.

high wadi
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Who manages the list?

vestal glade
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QC

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afaik

high wadi
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Is that a "who"? How do I contact QC?

vestal glade
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this is as good a place as any, Xeraphina, Vanah, Thandiwe, etc cruise here on their rounds and can punt it up.

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not sure it counts precisely as an alteration, but customizing items via the blacksmith companion is at least tangentially related.

high wadi
vestal glade
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that would be a Vanah specific question I believe.

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and the alteration book thread would be a better place to consolidate that question and answer

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this is more the "How do I get this thing to look like this other thing, and make it work within the guidelines of policy and alter?" thread.

high wadi
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They kicked me out of the fishing thread, now the alteration help thread 😞

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Ok, im up for any other ideas about how to make a dagger look like a fillet knife.

vestal glade
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I'm not kicking you out, just trying to keep the conversation topical and in the places folks will think to look.

high wadi
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Because that is my end goal

lament aspen
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Alter order book doesn't currently handle weapons other than UCS and runestaves

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I understand the request and will ask

high wadi
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Yay!

lament aspen
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The fillet knife adjective thing isn't new I don't think

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So let me look at the disconnect

vestal glade
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I imagine not, if it's extant in a town store

high wadi
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I think my original request of having it as part of the Blacksmith's Companion might be a different issue. Ill try to find a thread about that.

vestal glade
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there should be one

lament aspen
stiff rose
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The concern about fillet knife specifically is that there is a bonus within the fishing system to use one when cutting a fish into a fillet. That's true of both the original fishing system and the new system that just got rolled in.

The system looks for "fillet".

lament aspen
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Yes

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That is my understanding as well. I've sent the request and we'll see what we can do.

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There are so many moving parts in this game and it's easy to overlook stuff when working other places

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Things that make sense but you wouldn't think about or that you don't know about

flat matrix
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I've dealt with the fishing system for years, and until Auchand said that, I don't think I ever knew there was a bonus for a non-approved type of knife, lol

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the system was old and weird (like me!)

random shuttle
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Somewhat tangential, can we also have "skinning knife" added as well? (And if said skinning knife also had some sort of bonus in the same vein as the fillet knife, no objections)

mossy mist
modest matrix
lament aspen
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Almost none of those two word weapon descriptions have both words in the noun

coral aspen
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I left a note for myself somewhere to remind myself in like 2-3 years when I've wrapped up my still open-projects list for the wiki to update the armaments pages to specific what qualifies as a noun vs. a name. Since, as an example, "fillet knife" would be the weapon name, but "knife" is the noun, and "fillet" would need to immediately precede it in the adjective part.

coral aspen
random shuttle
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Is there really a problem with having a fillet claidhmore? 😉

vestal glade
analog coral
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Hi. Can someone school this noob about how I could get custom paper such as cheese-bordered or bighorn ram-stamped for my paper maker? And anywhere in that, do I permify something?

remote badge
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To my knowledge there is no way to get customs on the papermaker.

brittle coral
analog coral
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A lot of typing. I wait in anticipation...

lament aspen
tacit ermine
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Here's a workaround thought, though, that will take some GALD and the purchase of another item, and I'm not sure if it'll work on the papermaker butcher paper:
Get a Flower Press at Rumor Woods and design a custom that incorporates a flower and your cheese and/or ram

lament aspen
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Cheese isn't one of the design defaults but you could get GALD for custom hole punches

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The hole punch works like the flower press and changes the decoration along the border or in the corners of the stationery

tacit ermine
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I know my idea requires people to LOOK at the paper. I forget if the hole punch is more visible.

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Plus, the hole punch makes confetti finchieThrow_Confetti

lament aspen
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Plus then you have a bunch of cheese confetti

analog coral
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Thanks!

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lol. I kept searching for Angora Promenade...it's AGORA

analog coral
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I know I am now "bordering" on kneading to post this in another thread but... (heh three craft puns in one sentence)

turn punch
You have no patterns saved to your alum hole punch.

If/When I do get patterns (is this GALD only?) will it show listings similar to the needles or analysis of a cheese wheel lets me see possible combos or will I need to keep turning to see all my patterns.

verbal swan
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hang on!

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I has an answer for this.

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It's basically all in a list. Something like
You have the [noun1], [noun2].......[noun99] patterns on this punch. There is no room for more patterns on this punch.

high wadi
random shuttle
lament aspen
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If you have a cloak that you cannot close, the script won't change that. It doesn't handle the mechanics of opening and closing, just the messaging. You would not be able to access those verbs you would continue to get the default. But your friendly local lockmastery master rogue can add a clasp to make your cloak open and close.

mossy mist
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Aren't rogue clasps a script themselves?

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Oh right, autoscripter is a flourish now

lament aspen
# mossy mist Aren't rogue clasps a script themselves?

This was actually changed in 2015. It will only be scripted if the clasping rogue has a task for clasping. Otherwise the clasp does not add a script, unless the clasp itself is intended to impart a script on the clasped item.

lament aspen
# mossy mist Oh right, autoscripter is a flourish now

But yes, in either case, if the item having the auto scripter zest added is scripted, the zest is added as a flourish. If the item is unscripted, then the zest is applied as a script. You can then choose to FLOURISH CONVERT the script slot to the flourish slot.

mossy mist
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TIL, thanks for the insights

fringe rune
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Yeah, really helpful to know! There was a convo in the mechanics forum where something about rogue clasps came up and people were still under the impression that they took up the scripting slot. @tulip sorrel @summer condor

lament aspen
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It is one of the reasons Ixix is my hero

lament aspen
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I'll point out while we are on the topic that the item you add the clasp to does not have to be stuck open. If it does, the LFM clasp will make it close, but otherwise it will let you change the item's description

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It used to only work on unscripted items that were stuck open. That hasn't been the case since 2015.

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The only example of a LFM clasp sold that will add a script to a clasped item is the Let's Dance ones sold in Whirl and Twirl at Rumor Woods

random shuttle
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Interesting - Okay for some reason I had the impression that a clasp always added a script. I'll go find a lockmaster.

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Just another question before I try and get too fancy - "clasp" items which drop can be used for this as I understand. If they have any sort of enhancive or activated (imbedded spell) effect, that goes away if used here, yes? So I just want a plain clasp?

lament aspen
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Yes. And you can choose to have the clasp in the long description, the show description, or not show a clasp at all if you just want the cloak to be able to be closed

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I think both the full metal crucible and the woodchopper box can make metal or wood clasps

random shuttle
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It's already been altered with a nice description so I think I'll forgo the description for now. Thanks 🙂 Does the clasp still count as an item inside the container?

lament aspen
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No

random shuttle
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Cool! The wiki has not been updated in a while it seems.

rotund inlet
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the daxela box also makes clasps and i except they'd be usable though i haven't tried. the scrimshaw knife, too.

coral aspen
random shuttle
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I'd be happy to go edit it but I feel like I don't have all the proper info so wouldn't want to mess this particular page up. I'll put in a request

fringe rune
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Reviving this post for a clarification on acceptability. I have one of those auto-closing containers with metal plates. In the ANALYZE, this is the alteration restriction: The item can be altered with a long or a show, but the metal plates must remain.

So I have two ideas for two characters that I'd like to check and confirm if they adhere to the restriction above.

  1. a scarab design belt pack covered in an imflass plate shell
  2. a pine cone shaped belt pack plated in gold scales

The second one seems like it might be iffier if I need to have the phrase <metal> plate in the description? Feedback would be appreciated, thanks!

stiff rose
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I love both of those, especially the imagery on the second

modest matrix
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The self-closing I have is "a brass-plated metal container". Unless you get someone who is very particular I think #2 work would.

lament aspen
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It really just can't contradict the scripted messaging of the metal plates snapping open and shut

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Like you can't make it fastened with a bow or a drawstring or something that is not a metal plate closure

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You don't necessarily have to incorporate the plates (but those are pretty) but it can't contradict it

fringe rune
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Oh, that's good to know! I think I'll keep the use of plate / plating in these two ideas because I'm pretty satisfied with the results, thanks for clarifying!

limber vale
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A barbie thread and I missed it? My eyesight is worse than I thought

coral aspen
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It's more that Discord is weird and after x-amount of time inactive, it puts a forum or thread into, essentially, sleep mode.

limber vale
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I miss forumssadde

stiff rose
lament aspen
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She likes to outfits all the time, outfits all the time, outfits all the time

coral aspen
lament aspen
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surely I can't be the only one

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or permifier to the tune of womanizer

vestal glade
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you're on your own with this one.

flat matrix
minor haven
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Any way to strip off an alteration on a shield without having to have it altered again by a GM or Sadie?

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Dyers did not work.

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Also, unrelated, I have a buckler that shows it as being a mithril buckler in the long description, but when I inspect/bard recall the shield it shows as made of wood. Can that be fixed? Assist?

vestal glade
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You could try the spider box... but I don't think there is any other way. I don't believe the alter book does shields.

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And yes, if the shield is something like "a mithril buckler" and inspects as wood, you would need to assist and have someone look at it. If it's referenced in a show, that doesn't really mean the shield material can change, but the GM will know.

lament aspen
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You could try to put it in the shield conversion thing

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Or if you were using the Dyer's tent dye, try converting it to general dye or use cobbling dye, which overwrite long descriptions. I don't think the Dyer's tent will. I would need to see the exact error message

minor haven
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The buckler just has a long description a tiny diamond dusted mithril buckler etched with crossed lightning bolts.
The shield that I'd like to change the description of I did see that the shadow box would add/change the description to add a long description, but I want the color of the shield changed and the shadow box leaves that alone. Here's what the dyer says:
A disgruntled clerk examines your shield and dye and says, "I'm afraid pour'n that color dye on your shield would result in disaster. You'll have to pick a new color or someth'n new you want dyed."

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If I order the dye and try pouring it onto the shield the message says:

You pour a few test drops of your white vial of dye on your mottled-green shield.  The color is faint and soon wears away.  This color won't stay fast on the shield.
You can't pour that.```
lament aspen
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Is that a different item or is it both a buckler and a shield

minor haven
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Both the buckler and the shield don't seem to be eligible for any conversions, I tried the one in Landing. I think that thing only works if the shield is not the correct type.
Sorry, there's two items. One is the buckler that has the incorrect material, the other is a shield I'd like to have the alteration removed. 🙂

lament aspen
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If the shield(s?) are scripted that may prevent them from being dyed

minor haven
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No scripts on it.

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It is pretty old though, both items actually, probably I had the alterations done like 25 years ago? I dunno, long ago.

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I'll just assist on the buckler and bite the bullet and have Sadie change the alter. 🙂 Thanks for checking into it though!

tacit ermine
minor haven
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I have noticed that, but even so I'm almost never picked, and to even attempt it I'm committing to waste an hour or more of my time waiting to find out if I get picked, sorry, not interested. Just not how I want to spend my limited play time, I'd rather hunt. I'm okay waiting a few weeks for a Sadie response, sometimes I'm surprised and find out they act quickly.

tacit ermine
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I get it. And a lot of the GMs get it, too - there's a lot of "dirty" spinners (so if it picked someone they can't be picked again until the merchant cleans out their spinner again, and I've seen some go by account, not just character)... and a LOT more of up front "I'm spinning for this many so if you don't get picked you can go about your day" (leaving you to spend maybe 10 - 15 minutes, depending on how early you arrive).

But I get it. Just wanted to point out how attitudes and behaviors have been changing lately.

minor haven
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Yeah, I know they are doing alot of very cool things, not knocking that. 🙂 The other issue, which is harder to control is let's say I am picked, but I'm picked 9th out of the 10 that are being worked on. Then I have to sit for however long it takes for the other 8 to get thier work done. That alone can suck up a couple hours depending on how prepared or picky people are for the service. I'm actually content using Sadie, it's easier for sure, even though that also can end up taking weeks or more even for simple things.

vestal glade
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has anyone attempted to use an alteration book on your shields?

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I don't have one handy to test on

lament aspen
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No options

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Probably easier lift than some other gear. Right now, the order books only work on robe armor with the noun robe or robes, I guess cloth armor, and runestaves. And paladin standards sort of

vestal glade
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I liked the job it did on my standard... I don't know what any of the words mean, but they're pretty, and I'm pretty sure it's made of a legal material too!

lament aspen
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Very cool

vestal glade
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AI's first try at recreating it.

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minor haven
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Oh, cool! Did not know the order books worked on the standards!

lime jungle
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Honestly, a sick picture.

lament aspen
minor haven
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One thing the book is bad at is imitating a weapon of any sort...You cannot attack with an order book in your right hand! You must be wielding a shield.
Silly me.

orchid cipher
vestal glade
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that was free chatGPT

lament aspen
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Next fashion trend? Fingertip gloves?

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vestal glade
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for when you really don't want to touch anything ever with your fingertips, but palms ok?

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also, the hat gives me butter dish vibes, but I dig it.

verbal swan
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I didn't see that until you mentioned but now I absolutely see a butter dish

fringe rune
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Now that Duskruin dig has been discontinued, is there another source for Glowbark alteration fodder?

coral aspen
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Shield, runestaves, bows? Glowbark is rarity 9, which means, according to ALTER 41:
⁨Normally, "Very Rare" materials may only be added as an accent (as opposed to the base material) to an item and must always be supplied to the merchant.⁩
That being said, even glowbark alter fodder will fall under that "accent only rule" unless the piece marked as alter fodder specifically states what it can be used for beyond that.

fringe rune
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Dang, there goes that cool alter idea. Thanks for the clarification though!

verbal swan
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Uh

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You might just want to ask if someone has a piece of glowbark you can buy.

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Just a thought?

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Not sure if I have some to given things [Read: Plat merge] but I'm sure someone does stashed away

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@fringe rune

fringe rune
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I was hoping to pick some up from DR this time but after what Xeraphina pointed out my idea for it doesn't work anymore, sadly.

grim kelp
fringe rune
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The thing I really love about this community is how good everyone is at giving me the answer I wanted even if I asked the wrong question. Thanks Lanzerik! Though unfortunately this doesn't seem like it'll work either since I want to change a leather thing to a wooden thing (UAC boots, specifically)

fringe rune
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I basically wanted my monk to be able to do this.

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You wouldn't even need the metal plates because it's magical wood

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BUT THEN I thought if you made them eahnor plates, you'd basically have a pair of combat Louboutins! So I've been considering my options

tacit ermine
fringe rune
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Oh that's an idea, even if there isn't existing footwear made of wood, I could ask a Master Cobbler to make me something that I'd transmute and add the script I want afterwards. It looks like what I want is possible, but it'll have to be a long term project and it'll be significantly more expensive than what I was originally planning. Thank you though for the potential way forward!

clever junco
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This conversation has come up in multiple places over the past couple of days and I'm wondering if we could have a GM weigh in on this.

Is there any way to have the name of the person who forged a weapon changed/removed from the recall?

feral dragon
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I certainly hope not, with everything that goes into making perfects I'd be pretty cheesed off if someone else's name was put on one I made and stole my credit.

vestal glade
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since we lost all records of who did what when we moved

feral dragon
clever junco
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The originally conversation started in the plat channels regarding a plat migration.