#[Official] Alteration Help

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lament aspen
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What do you expect it to say, just invalid? Not to show?

lime jungle
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That aimed at me?

lament aspen
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Yeah

lime jungle
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Some of the verbs change messaging based on the coverage, so I figured that's what would happen? I mentioned in the bug that maybe they could have alterable messaging that references the eyes versus the lips

lament aspen
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This one doesn't, it is blocked for full feature masks

lime jungle
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I'm assuming the STRETCH verb is silent in 3rd person in full-coverage but I haven't tested it.

lament aspen
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You adjust your featureless mask ever so slightly, fully aware that your countenance is hidden from view.

lime jungle
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Ah, so just silent, well that's a bummer.

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I must have just tested twitch.
Your fingertips trail over the edge of your featureless mask as your lips twitch up in an enigmatic smile.

lament aspen
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third person is also static, just X adjusts his mask ever so slightly.

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same, twitch is also static

lime jungle
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Guess I can't really test 3rd person on my own.

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Bummer that you lose a bunch of the alterable verb messaging in full-coverage.

lament aspen
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thired person is "X's fingertips trail over the edge of his mask, right where his lips should be"

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but we can look at fixing up the analyze, so you don't "waste" an alter that no one else will see

lime jungle
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They can't just be modified to be different for full-coverage like the others?

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So you can still alter them.

lament aspen
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that gets complicated and more than a bug fix. The GM behind Peretta didn't when she coded them, she intentionally had this other messaging there

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and she's no longer around. So it would take some other GM to take up that mantle that's more than just maintenance or a typo

lime jungle
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Got it, thanks for the insight.

steep flame
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I've never had any alterations done so this is probably a really obvious question but I have a pair of custom boots that are described as "some... boots" that I would like to be "a pair of". Does this fall under what can been changed in alteration? Also would it be considered a 1 word change of "some" or would a single word alteration not apply? Thanks in advance. Cheers!

clever junco
steep flame
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Thanks!

flat matrix
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The "just one thing" will probably be true, but it may depend on whether or not the boots are scripted, etc.

Each piece of the "base" has to be 15 characters, and there are three pieces -- article, adjective, and noun. This is also referred to as the 15/15/15.

If you have something in that article with "some" then it may not be a simple swap to "a pair of" because that could be more than 15 characters.

Example: "some blackberry,leather,boots" is 15/7/5, so it fits the 15/15/15 rule. However, "a pair of" is 9 characters and cannot then become "a pair of blackberry,leather,boots" nor can it be swapped to "a pair of,blackberry leather,boots" because in both instances the 15 characters allowed for article and adjective field are exceeded. The noun always has to remain the true noun of the item, so "boots" in this case (so you couldn't pop in 'leather' there).

The good news is, we have something called a long, and as long as your boots are either unscripted or have a script that is compatible with having a long (and most are), we can finagle it so the base has the key elements and the long has the rest.

Example: "a pair of,leather,boots" with a long of "a pair of blackberry leather boots".

Note that you can also use that long to add a bit more too. We like to keep it around 60-ish characters but will often go a bit longer depending on how it flows.

Example: "a pair of blackberry leather boots laced with silver velvet ribbons" which is 67 characters.

That, of course, wouldn't be a "just one thing" to add.

Always have a back-up idea, especially at just one thing alterers, in my opinion, because sometimes what feels like it's a quick and simple word change is actually more complex under the hood.

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Also, let me say, that as GMs, we are always happy to help, and we do understand that you may not quite know what's up, so don't hesitate to whisper to the merchant when it is your turn and let them know not only what you are hoping to do but that it is your first alteration.

steep flame
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This is super helpful. The description is wordy as is so it occured to me it might be a character limit issue. Currently the exact description is "some opalescent white snake skin boots buttoned with opaline moonstones". In the long description you referenced... is that the part of a item description that appears in white text next to the clickable part of an item name, like I've seen on some other items?

lime jungle
clever junco
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But it may not be doable at a "just one thing" merchant because the base would have to be changed as well as the article field.

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BUT... if they are cobbled, that's a whooooooooole other kettle of fish because those shoes have funky bases anyway.

minor knoll
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anyway we can please get custom ship names to the sadie system? Id so use pp for it

neon spindle
grim kelp
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How much did the last custom ship name sell for at Mania? That's gonna be a lot of premium points.

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Not that I'm not in agreement, I'd use PP to name my ships too if was like a standard alter price.

minor knoll
fleet cloud
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Da random namer-izer comes up wit some doozies tho! (I totally got lucky onna da ferst offerin tho!)

Hmm...thunk onna dis fer a minoot...

Dey should restrict special names to auction or raffles (rafflers perfered)... anna make it so's ye kin ADD to yer boat's name! sooo... if'n I won my sloop would be called " The Lustrous Blue Sprout of doooom! "

But... I'd also take out loans to win an auction to name Gutstorm's ship " The Plumber's Carrack " 😉

silent vapor
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A middle ground could be not a fully custom name... but at least being able to hand-pick what you get out of the existing library of words.

fleet cloud
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But...copycats. 😼

minor knoll
strong meteor
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If I use a Sadie scroll to put a show description on a weapon does the base charge include “something written on it” that can be read or is having something that can be read a secondary charge?

minor knoll
strong meteor
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thanks

flat matrix
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If there is a an actual read, then "there is something written on it" shows when you look at it. If you just incorporate something written in a show (so that the words show in the SHOW when you look at it) and there is nothing in the read, you won't get that message.

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No matter what, from the cost perspective, yes, you can add a read with that cost for the show addition.

clever junco
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I have a very weird question. When it comes to alter fodder pieces (wyrsilk, tassaet, ataela, etc) - is there any set rule about altering the fodder? For example, let's say I wanted to alter a bolt of wyrsilk to have a long or a show... is there anything against that?

coral aspen
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In most cases, the alter fodder can't be altered. It's possible that special instructions may specifically allow for it, but that would be noted in the analyze. Otherwise, we run the risk of people changing certain limiting aspects of the fodder itself to circumvent rules

clever junco
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That makes sense, but ruins my plans! I was hoping to be able to alter a bolt to have a show describing the specific pattern for an upcoming class, but can figure something else out. Thank you!

tulip wing
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You know, if you don't mind it no longer being "fodder", could likely use the fodder material to alter another item into what you want.

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Maybe something like using a bolt of wyrsilk as fodder to alter a non-specific, non-worn fluff item into "a length of shadowsilk" (just as an example).

verbal swan
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or even something like "a sample swatch of [material]"

clever junco
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I was originally thinking that... but the issue is the amount of ataela I'm going to have to sacrifice to make what I need, well it makes me a sad Riend. I was hoping I could alter the bolts to show different patterns on them. without having to sacrifice 2-3 pieces.

verbal swan
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Maybe do a book of sample ataela swatches or something? And have the show being short descriptions of two or three?

clever junco
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That is a nice idea!

wintry turtle
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Oh, that's a spectacular idea!

strong meteor
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Is it possible to have an alter that includes a word(s) that can only be read if you speak a specific language?

stuck fossil
lament aspen
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Only when read

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Not in the show

strong meteor
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So manny wiki…thanks though!

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Of course I just realized the character I was thinking about it for is human so that would probably be pointless…

lime jungle
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What is "drakar" in reference to in a drakar dagger?

coral aspen
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The material it's crafted from?

mossy mist
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The warm sibling of the elemental *ar metals

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Zorchar, rhimar, gornar, drakar

elder wind
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It’s the smelliest, too.

elder wind
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Raise your hand if you had a bad boyfriend in the late 90s who you think of every time you see the word 'drakar'.

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(Probably just me.)

flat matrix
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LOL ex-husband, but v. much so.

modest matrix
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#socializing is that way!

upbeat pendant
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a rolaren-edged mithril-edged whip-blade so edgy

silent vapor
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So question on the new glass...

Avenglyr: Also known as "goldstone," this Sraeva specialty is a glittering glass often mistaken for a precious gemstone. This glass is used in mosaic glasswork, beads, and other decorative works.

  1. can we call it 'goldstone' in an alter?
  2. If yes, which would be more correct, "a goldstone pendant" or "a goldstone glass pendant" ?
verbal swan
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I wouldn't because there's also a gemstone called goldstone.

tulip wing
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They're likely the same thing? Goldstones (the gems) read as an "artificial stone", so I'm assuming they are, in fact, Avenglyr. And, the descriptions of both match up.
Avenglyr: Also known as "goldstone," this Sraeva specialty is a glittering glass often mistaken for a precious gemstone. This glass is used in mosaic glasswork, beads, and other decorative works. an oblong blue goldstone: Sparkling with thousands of tiny golden motes, the artificial stone is as blue as the sky and polished to a glossy sheen. Perfectly smooth along one side, it is carved flat on the other and etched with faded characters.

verbal swan
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huh

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okay, I stand corrected. my only excuse is I was distracted with my tabletop gaming when I read the request and was like "Waaait a minute"

minor knoll
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how backed up is the sadie system?

elder wind
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Earlier today there were three not yet started animalistic requests, and everything else that had been submitted was in-progress at one stage or another.

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If you want an animal thing done, it’ll probably be a bit of a wait still (as GMs are limited on those) but otherwise the queue should be within normal turnarounds.

minor knoll
clever junco
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Has anyone ever worked on a bottletraption design that didn't show the type of alcohol/jelly in the bottle? Like are we able to do something that amounts to like "an octagonal <material> jar with a <custom lid>"?

rotund inlet
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i don't think so, because the noun of the item is the alcohol/jelly noun

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so if you didn't have that in the description it'd be confusing

clever junco
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Yeah, is it possible just to do the noun, maybe? I'm trying to come up with a way of doing cute jars/bottles that don't end up being 10+ words long.

rotund inlet
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oh you can do just the noun for sure. i have at least one with just the noun

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for jelly it means that you can't see immediately what's in the jar, but now that we have analyze that's not so bad

clever junco
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I am 100% ok with that for some things, I think. But this is awesome news 🙂

knotty stone
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Might I get some clarification? I've been told that the alteration policy has changed so that you can no longer provide simply items that include rare materials as alter fodder. Instead, you need to provide items that INSPECT as being made of the material you're trying to use, or that are specifically coded as alter fodder.

I'd been saving up items for years that I picked up from merchant shops. All of them included some sort of rare material that require fodder, such as a rare metal or gemstone. Is my whole collection now just useless? They're from when I was last playing, well before items were consistently coded as having a material and before actual alter fodder items were a thing.

tulip wing
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The "rare gemstones" in items you have might be an exception, but would depend on the merchant. Gems all inspect as being made of "gemstone" so you might be able to pull off using an item that has that gemstone in it rather than having an actual gemstone. Milage will vary.

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And as is the case with the ever arbitrary nature of alteration rules, cloth doesn't seem to apply to this rule as even rare/exceptionally rare cloth that requires fodder ALL inspects as being made of "cloth".

knotty stone
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The gemstone alter fodder I have are jewelry items that are set with erithian agates. They weren't available for a very long time except in that form, so I was planning on using those for alters for my erithi.

tulip wing
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What do you need? I probably have actual fodder (the new Fodder ™) you can just have. I try to buy a bunch of everything just for this reason.

knotty stone
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I appreciate the offer! Right now I don't have any specific ideas, but I had multiple items of a variety of erithian stones. I wouldn't want to just take anything from you without something specific in mind.

tulip wing
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Well, if the time comes and you are told you need actual fodder, track me down. I have all the agates en masse.

knotty stone
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Thank you. I really do appreciate it!

clever junco
coral aspen
# knotty stone Might I get some clarification? I've been told that the alteration policy has ch...

So the answer is yes, but also not quite. ALTER 41 was updated regarding material rarity and does have a section covering what has come out as "alter fodder," that is, items that are specifically crafted to be used as alter fodder. These particular items will typically have specific instructions in the ANALYZE as to what and how much they can be used for, and may supersede other alter guidelines as a result.

A lot of older "alter fodder" items that were sold prior to this change may still qualify to be used as alter fodder, however that may be up to merchant discretion as it's hard to make a generally sweeping statement without the specific item in hand.

lime jungle
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What's the use case for glyriss as alteration fodder? Because of it's strength, can it be or is there a plan for it to be used in weapons? Or is all the new glass basically just for fluff.

brittle coral
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Fluff.

modest matrix
lime jungle
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So perhaps not as a base but could a blade be glyriss-edged?

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Or act as an accent on weapons and armor?

verbal swan
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the newest glass materials are not on that page, btw.

forest oak
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I was wondering if it is possible to alter the worn location of a mourning doublet to undershirt from "over the front". Imagine removing some of the extra padding to adjust it to an arming doublet or such. I have been told it is both impossible, by a few, and that it would be easy, also by a few. Figured I would get a definitive answer here so I can plan the rest of my outfit. ty in advance for any clarity. 🙂

coral aspen
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So, worn location changes are not an offered service outside of Duskruin HESS, and even then, there are restrictions in place for that, one of which is the item cannot be scripted. So essentially, it is impossible.

forest oak
wintry turtle
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I have a mildly weird question that I'm not sure where to ask, so I'll ask it here: Is there any means, or could there easily be means, of making stayput items that work in private residences work in CHE and MHO structures? In my wildest dreams, we get to put up some Deck the Halls items for weekend- or week-long events or create fully functional kitchens with pantries.

lament aspen
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Right now there's no mechanism that identifies a room or area as belonging to a group on the back end

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It was really hard compiling that information for private properties, and we still get issues now years later for ones that are wrong but the person shrugged it off until they needed it

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And the ownership would be based on officer status maybe? What happens if that's removed, how do we check for and recover things. Do we let other officers move other people's stuff

wintry turtle
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That all makes total sense. I was just thinking about it as a possibility, but you have done a great job of outlining all the challenges, which are varied and numerous. I would hate to sort through all that tangled code and officerships.

I appreciate the detailed answer. ❤️

lament aspen
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I did try to sketch out a proposal but there's a lot of moving parts that make it complicated

wintry turtle
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I hadn't even thought about the complexity of access and officership. With a private property, there's just one person placing things; that would be immensely more complicated with MHO and CHE officers, and of course multiply that by the number of organizations, and then figure out how it would be handled if something had to be shuttered while people's items were still displayed... yeah, I can see some of the issues there! 😬

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I will just enjoy setting stuff up for a special occasions and keeping an eye on it. 😄

flat matrix
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Yeah, and then..."does this belong to the house or the officer of the house that put it there" sort of disputes too --- Officer A places it, Officer A ragequits and takes it with them, but Officer B lets me know that Officer A purchased it with House funds and it was meant to stay with the House and not with an individual, etc.

Now, if we can get past the actual coding limitations, I can put guardrails around the interpersonal shenanigans that may crop up like that, but that's a big "if" LOL

clever junco
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I get a headache just reading all that. 😱

wintry turtle
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Oh, that's a huge "if" indeed! The potential tangles there...yeah, Headache City. 😄

tulip wing
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Would probably just be easier duplicate a version that stays put for X # days (+1 day/hug from whoever put it out) then it "poofs" back to the house locker than to try to manage all that! House dynamics with officers can get really weird sometimes.

obtuse birch
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Anyone know if "hood" would be an acceptable noun for a leather helm?

coral aspen
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Yes *

*Only for ones that can cover head AND neck

obtuse birch
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Thanks!

obtuse birch
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Any thoughts on how to describe this with words? The barbute noun pretty much conveys the general shape with the opening in front like that. But what about the top? Ridged? Ridge crested?

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elder wind
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A demi-horned barbute sporting a high center ridgeline

obtuse birch
lime jungle
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In this peretta mask, if I had the ATTEND verb modified, does it only affect the targeted version? I kind of expected the non-targetted version to also take the modified verbiage.

From behind the perceived security of your mask, you gaze at someone with an unhealthy level of contempt.

From behind the perceived security of your mask, you gaze around with unfettered curiosity.

lime jungle
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Unrelated, I was looking at the flypaper tattoos and noticed this design:
a colorful compass rose sleeve tattoo

I was denied use of the term "sleeve" when I created one of my tattoos within the last year. Would I be able to update mine at a future merchant to have this term now since this is publicly available?

shell holly
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If my item says:
It has been mainly crafted out of eahnor, a very rare metal. It would need to be supplied to be used in an alteration and may only be used as an accent.

The analyze specifies it cannot be altered, but I do not want IT altered.

I would like to know if it means it CAN be used as rare eahnor alteratiion fodder for an accent on another item.

fleet cloud
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Shame to not melt it down wit a bunch more anna forge some full plate tho...oh...wait

tulip wing
shell holly
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Hah, I don't melt, smelt, or forge, so I am happy if I can just hand it to a merchant.

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What in the world is "ore-crafted" ?!

tulip wing
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Using the DR/crafting ores.

fleet cloud
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If'n sumpbody beat ye to da punch... anna made it demselfs

shell holly
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And what do THEY say?

fleet cloud
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box found? keep it... hand it off to a merchant

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Eahnore toed socks.

tulip wing
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The ores inspect with that same messege I think (its the default inspect material messaging), but the rules are the ores and items made from them can not be used as fodder. Ores analyze I think states it as well, but not a lot of the items crafted using it.

fleet cloud
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Rools are dum.

tulip wing
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Eanor is fairly easy to come by though, if that can't be used for some reason.

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I will be back to my computer in a short bit and should have some if needed.

tulip wing
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Sent some via mail just in case.

shell holly
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Awwwww. ♥️

minor knoll
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I know there is alot going on in game atm with rol and rw. But i was told to assist if sadie is taking longer than expected or post in a channel, is this correct? If so would someone mind pointing me in the right direction of where to post for a nudge? I submitted my sadie on March 18th just to give someone an idea of how long its been

stuck fossil
minor knoll
lime jungle
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She appears to be a Sylvankind.
She is average height and appears to be an adult.  She has mismatched blue and clouded white eyes and a flawless, bronze complexion on her right side, while her left side is a mass of sallow, heavily wrinkled skin.  She has long, brittle white hair that hangs down on her left, in stark contrast to the fine, glossy curls of deep cerise that grace the right side of her head. 
She is wearing a small rose, a black velvet cloak lined with ivory silk, a black satin dress accented with two rows of ivory buttons running from the hem to the choker-like high neckline, an ivory slipper, a black slipper, and a shard of glass.```
Just appreciating this GMs description but I'm genuinely curious if the location of it in her inventory was meant that she stepped on a piece of glass.
forest oak
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Are adventurer's guild badges alterable?

coral aspen
forest oak
coral aspen
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There are multiple options that you can choose from and the more points you get, the more options that open up. Also, you do not need to display the badge if you're using it for enhancives. You can either TUCK it or COVER it and it hides from people's view of your inventory when they look at you if the concern is that it clashes.

forest oak
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Your input has been massively helpful to me and I am very grateful!

upbeat pendant
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What are the rules for non-conforming things that the game still creates? For example, I can still loot "a length of felwood" from the monastery, which is a quarterstaff. Will I be able to make alterations that maintain "felwood" as the noun? Or once I hand it over to someone does it need to be converted into one of the quarterstaff nouns?

warm steppe
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upbeat pendant
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Yeah it's not like an ancient alteration or anything, but the creature is. I'll just have a 10x mcw "length of felwood" and be cool with it lol

tulip wing
lime jungle
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What are some ways to achieve interesting and legal effects for colors on items, like glowing via a dye? Does anyone have examples they've made, such as smoldering, smoking, etc.?

neon spindle
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i have a shimmering spear, and a glowing black spear..

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made with alchemy dyes

stuck fossil
neon spindle
lime jungle
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Glowing I've seen in dyes, how about the shimmering?

neon spindle
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they both kinda worked out well.. the dyes tie into the least mood effects of both spears

lime jungle
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Ah, both dyes.

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How are those made? Festival certs or something more common?

neon spindle
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alchemy

lime jungle
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How do they translate into least moods?

neon spindle
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i can make you whatever you want, just lemme know

lime jungle
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Is glowing the only alchemy dye option?

neon spindle
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glowing, glimmering, shimmering, radiant, shinning..

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uh

lime jungle
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Ah nice

neon spindle
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probably missing 1 or 2.. but yeah

coral aspen
neon spindle
lime jungle
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And those dyes are readily allowed to be used in alterations, as long as they abide by other alteration guidelines?

coral aspen
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Dye additives have specific ways for use

neon spindle
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im sorry, i have amnesia and dont remember whats going on

coral aspen
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While they do not need to be added to a color to be presented to a merchant, they DO need to be part of a color.

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That is what additive means.

lime jungle
coral aspen
lime jungle
neon spindle
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like rainbow!

coral aspen
tulip garnet
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Could I get some help describing this?

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gloomy ibex
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winged hat. JK

neon spindle
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You see a menacing viridian helm shaped like a dragon’s snarling visage, adorned with twisted horns and glowing green wings.

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kinda basic

timber fiber
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Intricately designed, the helm has a strong drake aesthetic with ornate engravings, a beak-like nose guard, and winged extensions. Primarily a rich, metallic green with gold embellishments, the delicate filigree details have been etched into its surface with touches of electrum foil. Two imposing, curved horns rise from the crown, flanked by sculpted scales and ridges that suggest a hide. Something something ...

lime jungle
timber fiber
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I always find it easier to design for other people. When it's for me ... blank

lime jungle
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Preach.

neon spindle
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Rough-hewn and ancient, the helm bears the unmistakable touch of something not forged, but remembered by the earth itself. Viridian mythril plates interlock like layered scales, dulled by age and flecked with siltstone and moss. Twin horns of fossilized wyrmbone rise in a slow, twisting arc, gnarled as if grown rather than carved. Jagged wing-crests of cracked green scale fan from the sides, their edges weathered by wind, salt, and time. Primitive runes — older than known tongues — wind across the crown like roots through soil, their grooves deep with earthen grime. The air around the helm smells faintly of rain on stone and old ash. When held, it hums with a deep, resonant thrum — a sound like mountains dreaming.

lime jungle
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And if I'm at a merchant, forget it. I can't come with anything truly good on the spot if I run out of pre-ready alternative ideas.

neon spindle
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i thought that was pretty cool.. would have to be touched up of course

lime jungle
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I like the scent addition, nice touch.

neon spindle
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chatgpt seems to insist its made of viridian mythril in all its shows

tulip garnet
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Ya'll are awesome. Thank you.

brittle coral
# tulip garnet Could I get some help describing this?

Molded faenor blended with gold creates raised designs upon a draconian helm fitted with angular aliform eyevents. Spiraled horns rise from the temples, while bold-veined wings with near translucent webbing decorate the occipital region. Resembling the tail of a wyvern, decorative filigree forms a labyrinthine tail over the nap of the neck. The nose guard, chin, and cheek are decorated in raised, scale-like patterns that accent the deeply cut edges, above, the prominent crown ridges echoing the design.

tulip garnet
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I didn't find anything on the wiki. I assume materials like Mithril and Faenor would have to be supplied in at least a small amount?

stuck fossil
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Faenor yes, mithril no

neon spindle
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would one of the cloaks that do the alchemy stuff qualify as an "alchemist's" container?

fleet cloud
coral aspen
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This is where some things need to be updated.

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ALTER 41 speaks to materials and rarity, calling out what requires fodder:
Normally, "Very Rare" materials may only be added as an accent (as opposed to the base material) to an item and must always be supplied to the merchant. "Extremely Rare" materials cannot normally be added even as an accent during the course of a merchant session. You may be able to APPRAISE an item to see if it is made of a "Very Rare" or "Extremely Rare" material.
Faenor is considered rare, so it does not require fodder: https://gswiki.play.net/Material/saved_posts#Material_Rarity_-_GM_Rankings

tulip garnet
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Nice to know! Thanks for pointing that out.

tulip wing
upbeat pendant
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There will always be a reference to the pole and the banner upon LOOKing at this item.  Please take this into account when composing your show description.  The material may be changed to other types of wood at the merchant's discretion. ``` Random after the fact question for Mars (or anyone else who would know) about altering a standard.. I got the base and long altered, but wanted to the long to say the flag was hung from a spar (a ship thing), but was told that because the look references a pole, the long must remain a pole. 

Long story short -- would a second alteration of the show be able to change this from a pole to something else, or must a battle standard's show always reference a pole and no other noun?
warm steppe
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the "pole" reference is hardcoded into the LOOK description, so there's no work-around for that. It will always be there in addition to any LOOK you have added by a merchant.

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it changes the "flag" part based on the noun, of which there is a specific list of approved nouns.

upbeat pendant
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Ahhh gotcha thanks for clarifying

forest oak
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i like looking at descriptions of things to get a "feel" for what they look like and how my character is likely to interact with them. That being said, I am having a LOT of trouble understanding hand pylons from the descriptions provided. Am I alone in being a bit confused? I was thinking one thing but then the wear function at T4 really confuses me.

pulsar briar
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Is there a list of lockpick alternate names, specifically the under-the-tongue lockpick. but I'll take anything

clever junco
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I maybe misreading the alteration guidelines, and am hoping for some clarification. I have an item I'd like to have altered (currently it is an urnon-inlaid platinum wristlet).

Is this something merchants would be willing to work on? I can supply more urnon for the idea, but I don't want to waste time if it's something GM's are able/willing to work on.

stuck fossil
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What are you looking to change it to?

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Usually if the rare materials is already there, they don't ask for more....but it always up to that specific GM.

clever junco
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I'm working on a concept where the urnon would be encased in, let's say a mithril cage... though I'm wondering about veil iron instead. Something that implies the metal is keeping it contained, but it's still in liquid form because it's near sentient life. If that makes sense?

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As-is, there's not really a good indication the urnon is being... urnoney

elder wind
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So, I don't think it's not doable, but it would require a merchant who made sense to be able to work with/around urnon.

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(I can tell you that Tiwlip won't work on it.)

clever junco
warm steppe
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I would not personally touch anything made of urnon unless it was scripted to be as chaotic as urnon should be and the alteration coincided with the script's messaging entirely. Things like momentos from storylines are often scripted this way with the material only being allowed to be released with that in mind, and not otherwise.

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But I guess it depends on the item, and what the original piece of urnon is. There are some older pieces in the game that really shouldn't exist, but I believe those are weapons.

clever junco
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This makes sense. I do have both a weapon and a bracelet and I wanted to keep the idea of it but lean into the chaotic nature of the urnon more.

tulip wing
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Yeah, urnon is one of those cases where both official game lore and policy aren't ambiguous about how it can be used and who is skilled enough to work with it. It can be worked on but not normally used as fodder for other items, and is entirely up to the merchant (it's dangerous stuff). When I had my urnon weapon altered, I did so in a way that leaned heavily into the lore for urnon; it's impure, darker than pure, and doesn't shapeshift. As far as most the urnon weapons out there go, most of them line up properly with lore—being impure and just 4x with acid flares; with the exception of a few old scripted morphing type weapons that I'm not even sure still exist out there anymore.

fleet cloud
elder wind
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So because there is not a list, a sliver of chicken bone isn't on the list.

stuck fossil
tulip wing
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You know, daggers/stilettos that also functioned as lockpicks would be neat. Don't know if those are a thing, but they should be.

elder wind
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I believe some exist.

rotund sundial
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Hey all, could use some idea help. What would be a good name for a dual-weapon displayer which I use for just blunt weapons? right now it's the standard 'leather frog' but for something that carries blunts, is it possible to change it to 'mace loops'?

warm steppe
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those usually have specific rules associated with them

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the merchant will have to look at it, most likely.

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unless it says in the Analyze

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but in general, we don't specify a type of weapon a container is designed for when it comes to sheaths, scabbards, frogs, etc.

rotund sundial
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That's interesting. I mean a scabbard isn't just for any weapon though and won't allow certain weapon types, right? Or is this one of those moments where it's just like, "that's just how it is"? Because if that's the case, I got it. 🙂

tulip wing
rotund sundial
tulip wing
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Though you could maybe/likely do something like "some heavy iron loops with a vultite mace hanging from it", or something like that.

rotund sundial
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Oh...

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that might work well

warm steppe
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a script on an item often trumps general rules when it comes to what can be done with that particular item

rotund sundial
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Thanks @warm steppe and @tulip wing This may help to better resolve the alter idea

stuck fossil
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Peanut butter filling inside a cupcake, acceptable? Automatic rejection?

elder wind
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I will check.

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It's fine. Long release history in-game.

stuck fossil
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Excellent! Thanks for checking. I had a vague memory of peanut butter in game

elder wind
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No problem.

olive palm
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Any ideas for custom design templates and custom adjectives for my charm Contraption/mechanism? I don't see any OTS design templates or adjectives, so it needs help.

clever junco
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You should talk to Laeli, she is an absolute wizard with the charm maker!

tulip wing
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I'm curious, when having items with "sides" altered, does the material used to switch to the side actually have to be in the description? For instance if I had a "a makeshift wooden sign" Deck the Halls item, could I make the "gem" side something like "a makeshift wooden sign shaped like an apple" regardless of what gem I place in it? Then do the same with the other sides, like maybe a "feather" side would be "a makeshift wooden sign shaped like a chicken" whenever a feather is placed in it?

lament aspen
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Mmmmmmmmm I don't know

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@supple minnow

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I don't know if it would error out or do it

supple minnow
lament aspen
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It still lets you get 8+ alters in one item

verbal swan
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...the crafting server has a ton of examples and folks willing to help design DtHs if you want!

warm steppe
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what came first? the apple or the chicken?

wintry turtle
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Using the gems/feathers/whatever bits as the design for each side is part of the fun and challenge of it, but I admit there are some I use more than others. I never know what to do with fishing items. I do know that I now want something that I can put feathers in to turn into a noun-covered chicken, though.

glacial stirrup
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So on pup tents you can do a long then a show the show would be inside of the tent correct ? You wouldn't have a tent that had a long and an exterior show and an interior show correct ?

Also with a saddie scroll can you get a long and a show all in one and if so how many pp would it be ?

tulip wing
# glacial stirrup So on pup tents you can do a long then a show the show would be inside of the t...

This will help a lot: https://gswiki.play.net/Pup_Tent#Alteration_Rules

A pup tent can have a base and long description, but can not have a show/look description.
It then has special rules for the interior (linked above) and parts require QC (so won't be available at most GALD merchants).

Getting the interior done is one alteration. Working on the exterior is one alteration. So to do both would be 600 pp. However, most GALD merchants will be able to work on the exterior base and/or long description, so you can save 300 pp by doing that part outside of a Sadie scroll.

glacial stirrup
neon spindle
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question.. if i bring the material, could my eonake arrow be changed to another metal? (granted that its not to rare to work with)?

lament aspen
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No, combat gear does not change materials

neon spindle
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10-4

arctic bloom
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I see new items for sale that are sea silk. I don't see this on the fabric materials list unless I'm missing it, but I think it's new. Will this require alter fodder to alter something to sea silk?

remote badge
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Sea silk isn't new and you don't need fodder for it.
It's available off the shelf in a bunch of the town cobbling shops and in Brisker's Cover, plus... probably elsewhere I am missing.

arctic bloom
safe umbra
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Think there is another term for it to - byssus (sp?). May have to Google or look at the wiki for that. It got used quite a bit around Caligos EG.

stuck fossil
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Byssus does look to be the material. KF has foot and hand wraps in both Byssus and Sea Silk

coral aspen
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Yes, byssus and sea silk are interchangeable. No fodder needed. It's also based irl.

vestal glade
shell holly
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When there is a Just One Thing merchant, how does a hyphenated portion of the 15/15/15 work? as one or two words? Because fixing up one of them could make the second word after the hyphen no longer fit.

Thank you.

tulip wing
vestal glade
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the character limit is in full effect still though

tulip wing
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Yeah, what Vorlash said. Basically, you just count the hyphenated/compound word as a single word. So, "silver-washed" is a 13-character word, and "platinum-washed" is a 15-character word. The first would work as part of the article field, but the second wouldn't, though the second could work as the entire adjective field for the base description. There's not a whole lot of space to work with in the 15/15/15.

vestal glade
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there's that owly site that makes this somewhat easier to work around, and chatGPT can help if you give it parameters

shell holly
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I understand about 15 ... my question really was how does a Just One Thing merchant count it.

If I need a silver-washed turned into platinum, the "washed" would have to be changed, too, making it two changes.

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So I do not want to waste the merchant's time, or my spot in line.

brittle coral
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Most times its just the single word and they will do that even if its a compound issue.

lament aspen
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this is one of the things that makes just one thing alterations no less work than a regular alteration. So you either get "well, that is two things" or "unfortunately that doesn't fit the character limits, how about x?". And there are no hard and fast rules, one GM might do it and one might not. Just One Thing might not be Just One Word

shell holly
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I'll avoid the ... platinum problem then.

vestal glade
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I don't think that was the intent, if its something you really like, by all means, but it never hurts to have an alternate if the first one doesn't fly

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My contingencies have contingencies. Which is why I rarely know where I am, or what I'm supposed to be doing.

shell holly
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Miss Vanah, I do not like breaking a merchant's heart.

warm steppe
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As a merchanting GM, I hate chatGPT with a passion. I would rather just work on a design with the player than have them form false expectations from AI and have me reverse engineer something it created with no context of our rules in ALTER.

vestal glade
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I can assure you that GMs don't like breaking your heart either. Except Marstreforn,

warm steppe
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💔

vestal glade
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^_^

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that's why you have to train AI with the rules, and not expect it to know what you're talking about.

warm steppe
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but I already know the rules.

vestal glade
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I do like it for generating what some of this stuff might look like and seeing it on a 3d model

warm steppe
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I've been around longer than AI. :/

vestal glade
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me to

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^_^ they may have limited gifs here for reasons...

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unrelated to me, I assure you

warm steppe
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makes sense.

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I will still blame you for it

vestal glade
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that's ok, so does my mom.

warm steppe
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dang... well that's ok. I was raised by a Nintendo anyway.

vestal glade
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me too

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see, that's why we get along so well

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we had the same parental figures

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mario, luigi, toad, Dr. Mario, Wario

warm steppe
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now I want to play sidescrolling TMNT again

lament aspen
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I never lament having to explain rules and work with a player to get them what they want

vestal glade
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glutton for punishment

lament aspen
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There is just very little wiggle room with just one thing to hit that

vestal glade
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no, she sends lightning at me when she gets frustrated, but she doesn't lament about it.

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"Why is Vorlash a smoking crater again?" JOT merchanting again.

warm steppe
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it's an "alteration"

vestal glade
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altered carbon for sure

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this is why I get eveything black, because it blends

shell holly
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I'ma just making my plans so they are bullet-proof when I come across a Just One Thing opportunity. Hopefully to make it a quick service.

There are so many lantern panes yet to alter, you see.

vestal glade
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😄

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I did enjoy those lanterns quite a bit, but I always worry about losing them. Call me a fuddy-duddy, but I hate things deployed at my feet. So much anxiety.

shell holly
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Only lost mine ONCE, when it was new and the URCHIN took me too fast to grab it. Or something. Urchins were further instructed by someone special, and all was well.

vestal glade
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there would be one less urchin in the world if that happened to me.

shell holly
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Save the Urchin! Call Someone Special

warm steppe
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Given the current premium festival. Would they be a sea urchin?

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That is my joke for the day.

stuck fossil
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Give the GM a theme and some colors, and they make exquisite work

vestal glade
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they tend to be maestros at the craft, that is for sure

coral aspen
vestal glade
lament aspen
fleet cloud
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(Tho...rubber chickens should totally be a thing!)

clever junco
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mykal chickens!

waxen yarrow
frigid grove
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Some will always be more patient than others

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Most of them are pretty patient, I'd say!

vestal glade
waxen yarrow
vestal glade
# waxen yarrow I think you're right, and I bet I'd struggle not to be short with people if I we...

I trust these folks so I don't mind handing them something and saying "Make prettier please?" In fact I did that to Kaonashi earlier with something from Vorlash's stash of awful things. He knocked it out of the park as usual. That being said, there is no shame in asking to go last if your idea didn't pan out to give you the opportunity to regroup, and maybe crowdsource it here or in the room.

tacit ermine
# vestal glade I trust these folks so I don't mind handing them something and saying "Make pret...

(psst... Kaonashi is a he)

Also, yes, if you need help prior to what will be a merchant heavy event like Premium Fest or EG Merchant Week, please ask around! If you fear your ideas are super horribad and don't want them out in public, ask for someone to work with you privately - I have no problem helping someone in-game via whispers or DMing to sort out alters or explain how things work.

If it's in the moment at the merchant... speak up! There are so many of us who are more than happy to help; I won't speak for others, but if I'm not frantically trying to work out my own idea and my brain isn't mush.. and you're not trying to hand me armor/weapons... Totally feel free to whisper to Traiva.

If scheduling allows, expect to see Elanthian Elegance offering some times before EG Merchant Week to help people get their ideas prepped. Even if you won't be participating with that, stop by to get alteration help anyway - I know I won't be tracking who shows up to Merchant Week and who doesn't.

vapid quail
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I had several folks whisper to me that they felt bad taking up so much time, but I assured them it was not an issue and we would make a fabulous item they loved.

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I would rather we take the time and make something you love than have you walk away feeling eh and never use it.

vestal glade
clever junco
# vestal glade I trust these folks so I don't mind handing them something and saying "Make pret...

Now is a good time to mention and plug THE GLOMP. At a lot of merchants you'll see us grouping a bunch of people (usually myself, Missoni, Rohese or Lissaya)... this is THE GLOMP. Not that it's exclusive to any of us... the glomp is just like a thing that got started back in the day with the elf-blob, but like with all great things, we in the west stole it and made it our own.

All are welcome in the GLOMP, regardless of who they are, who you know, where you've been... and within the glomp we plot... we plan... we talk about alters and OOC stuff to keep ourselves entertained while we wait. Some of the absolute best designers I've known join the group and we are all always willing and happy to tweak designs or help you come up with things.

So... join the glomp, be the glomp, love the glomp.

coral aspen
vestal glade
tacit ermine
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I've heard THE GLOMP highly amuses some GMs, too...

bleak nebula
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It's a glomp of wonderful positivity, and lots of creativity.

wintry turtle
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The glomp is love. The glomp is life.

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In all seriousness, I really do appreciate being brought into the conversation during Merchant lines. It helped me come up with good alteration ideas, and it was wonderful to spend some time with people I don't normally get to know. It's one of my favorite parts of festivals, and it's responsible for some of my favorite alterations.

vestal glade
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speaking of, I have a set of robes(armor) that I would like to change the noun of. I use a container with the same noun. In terms of look, I'm a plain fellow. They are currently indigo Elesine robes chased with pewter embroidery, and I am open to suggestions to make them fit the shabby theme I am currently enjoying.

clever junco
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IIRC robes can pretty much be altered into anything worn on the torso so if you wanted to alter it into a shirt/sweater you could.

vestal glade
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hmm, some sort of knit sweater with food stains?

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what color though

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vibrant ochre?

clever junco
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What's your aesthetic?

vestal glade
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dumpsterfire?

clever junco
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a threadbare ochre <material> sweater smattered with indistinguishable stains.

vestal glade
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not sure that's much better

clever junco
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LOL I mean I wrote that before I read through the wall of text, so that's pretty hilarious.

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Will you continue wearing the waistcoat?

vestal glade
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yeah, Kaonashi made that for me

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ran it over with a wagon himself

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vorlash doesn't like fancy things, makes him uncomfortable

clever junco
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I'd consider going with a shorter description and make it a shirt so you can layer the waistcoat over the shirt if you're interested

vestal glade
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he's also ancient, so things don't fit

clever junco
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You could do something like a dingy ochre <material> shirt frayed at the cuffs - that way you're still giving it an old and worn feeling without reusing any of the concepts of the waistcoat.

vestal glade
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others have gone before me I see

vestal glade
clever junco
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Oooo that's hugus. But yes.

remote badge
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Pretty sure I have seen robes with the noun "straps" so go crazy, my dude

verbal swan
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I think I've seen robes with the noun straps sold at a merchant event, so.

vestal glade
vestal glade
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That's CLASSIC Zardoz attire

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also, immediately what I thought of when you mentioned Vorlash in straps

upbeat pendant
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@gritty anchor has done all sorts of wild robe alterations I believe, she may know the limits (or lack thereof)

gritty anchor
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Yeah, the wiki page is right on this one.

warm steppe
vapid quail
warm steppe
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what about a robe made of wild flowers?

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too organic?

vapid quail
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That would work

warm steppe
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the problem is that the gown would wilt and wither if I walked too close by

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muhahaha

vapid quail
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it would be a droopy wild flower robe

warm steppe
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a sad gown 😦

vapid quail
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New item..

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the sad gown

warm steppe
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emotional damage gowns

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special flares!

stuck fossil
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sad clown gown, it feature changes you into a sad clown

upbeat pendant
warm steppe
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the flares order you pizza! got it.

coral aspen
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Ice cream is recommended for emotional damage

upbeat pendant
# warm steppe special flares!

what's the language for calm? It's like that but worse. You cannot muster the will to attack... or do anything, really.

warm steppe
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oh right, the flares could make ice cream, even better.

upbeat pendant
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Graeter Rhimar flares

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(if you're from the midwest this joke kills)

vestal glade
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ok... I have to be able to afford this via a sadie scroll Inarius_hehe

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and sadie has to not explode when I submit it

coral aspen
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she pre-exploded already

vestal glade
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lol

fleet cloud
vestal glade
clever junco
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Nothing in that should really flag anything.

vestal glade
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Sadie:

near delta
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Any suggestions for a Fash'lo'nae themed pin? So far I've got.. a citrine-inset ovoid dull grey pin

tacit ermine
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is there anything else special about the pin? Or are you just trying to get a Fash'lo'nae symbol type thing?

near delta
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hoping the premium spell of the month pins are alterable.. seems fitting. If not, any old pin

rotund inlet
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A citrine-pupiled ovoid dull grey eye? Pins don’t generally have to keep the pin noun (unless there is something about that script that requires it)

near delta
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if it doesn't need pin, that works for me then.. I'll go in with both incase next time I get chance

vestal glade
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doesn't fit the 15 rule for the base, pupiled is too long. Also I'm not sure you can alter an inanimate object to a body part, unless you have a way to denote that it isn't an actual eyeball. But I admit that I am pretty weak when it comes to alters.

near delta
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I may have to stick with my original idea then. Either way, I'll leave it to the merchant to decide. Appreciate the help folks.

vestal glade
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also a great resource

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just to try word combos

near delta
tacit ermine
vestal glade
near delta
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thank you both

rotund inlet
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i think having the pupil be citrine implies that it's not an actual body part, too, but that would obviously be up to the alterer's discretion.

you could change dull grey to like "hazy glass" if the citrine isn't enough to imply it's not a real eye. or shadowglass if you have some fodder.

upbeat pendant
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yeah personally I would lean more towards something like "an <adjective> <material> eye with an <adjective> citrine pupil" or "a <material> pin set with an unblinking citrine eye", along those lines

opal urchin
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Would it be possible to check in, please, on whether the term bonsai has been approved for use? Thank you!

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#1057031066885558332 message

lament aspen
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No update

opal urchin
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Thank you.

neon spindle
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a crumb-covered souvenir tote "stitched with embroidered" baked goods

should that be like that..? i was looking at it this morning and all i could think in my head it said was stitched with stitched baked goods..
but could just be my brain.. anyone? (moved over from Kudos)

lament aspen
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I don't think it's incorrect.

warm steppe
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embroidered with stylized baked goods would also work, or something along those lines

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or stitched instead of embroidered if you prefer

tulip wing
lament aspen
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But it would also be a separate alteration if you wanted to adjust it. We can fix typos, but not changed minds

neon spindle
vestal glade
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sometimes the english language glitches in our brains and we're just left with something like this. It's absolutely correct, but continues to look off if we spend more than a glance at it.

stuck fossil
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Well,

embroidered with baked goods also sounds like actual baked goods stitched onto the item too

upbeat pendant
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So let's say a merchant says they're gonna ask their QC team about a new noun (in this case I was looking to get a new finger-worn noun approved).. just curious is there any insight into that sort of process? Does it happen whenever, a few times a year.. would I ever know if this noun got approved or not?

neon spindle
fleet cloud
feral dragon
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can cloth armor (robes) be altered into a harness? I'd prefer a loincloth, but I'm pretty sure that'd be shot down even though the waist is part of the torso....

mossy mist
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Loincloth is definitely an option, at least historically

lament aspen
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Probably no to harness. It has to be something worn as clothing, not something worn on or over clothing. It also wouldn't be eligible for a container of pocket adding and it is confusing to use a container noun on a non container item

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Loincloth yes. We don't have different classes of cloth armor so it can extend beyond the torso. I think loincloths cover enough to be valid enough

feral dragon
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I could provide a lot of pictures of harnesses worn as clothing.... pretty sure at least a few are family friendly 🤣

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just as soon have it as a loincloth though, so I'm happy

lament aspen
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I would be more amenable to it if it also wasn't such a common container name

modest matrix
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You could do straps of leather

lament aspen
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Yes, straps work

warm steppe
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can't do leather if it's cloth armor made of cloth though.

lament aspen
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Yes, that, it has to be fabric/cloth

vestal glade
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Or here me out... loin. Just cuts of meat

upbeat pendant
upbeat pendant
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peppered jerky full plate

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eat pl

warm steppe
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the reality is that cloth armor barely does anything besides offer a platform to add padding, enchanting, and other fun things (like shamelessly plugging Twisted Armor). 😄

upbeat pendant
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peppered jerky half plate

upbeat pendant
warm steppe
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Twisted Armor has already been released... it isn't news! :/

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But I am sure they will let me tease something soon-ish...

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In another channel, a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

stuck fossil
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Isn't all leather, meat armor?

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Well, flesh armor at the very least

coral aspen
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It's been cured. At that point, it may as well be pepperoni armor. /s

trail geode
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anybody with experience altering a daybringer who can advise me on the best way to do it? I see that the item description is composed mostly of customization fields

mossy mist
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I can, if you remind me later when I have access to my notes - I’ve done a couple of them

trail geode
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Thanks!

mossy mist
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But the short version is that, as I recall, it’s entirely built from those customized fields. Some merchants will modify up to 3 of them, so typically takes a couple sessions

trail geode
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Plus the original noun alteration has to get done at some point

wheat zinc
coral aspen
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There is 0 reason why I should have laughed at that as hard as I did just now.

vestal glade
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Your armor emits a strangled "moo".

coral aspen
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The true animalistic spirit armor.

vestal glade
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In Elanthia, jerkey digest you!

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If we let Trallihn keep getting his dead vermin motif rounded out, could we then rez his outer shell and make him a meat gundam?

tacit ermine
vestal glade
golden tusk
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Would raku-fired and stone-fired be allowed when describing ceramics/pottery pieces? I was a ceramic artist IRL for years and these two methods have a distinct appearance.

upbeat pendant
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I just discovered that https://gswiki.play.net/Open-Close_Fun!_item are a thing.. definitely looking to acquire some more, but I am wondering how common/likely it is to get them altered.


With the barest pressure from your thumb, the lor-engraved face of the silver signet ring flips open.

Sliding your thumb over the silver signet ring, the lor-engraved face lowers into place with a soft click.

You analyze the silver signet ring and sense that the item is largely free from merchant alteration restrictions.

The creator has also provided the following information:
This is an Open-Close Fun! item.  It may be altered by a talented merchant, though it must make sense for the manner in which the ring is opened and closed.  A small handful of merchants may also be willing and able to customize the manner in which you open and close the ring.``` @knotty junco (I checked for CanTag so don't @ me!) this script feels like the dice pouch special service you did, if you have any insight perhaps?
coral aspen
upbeat pendant
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Right I figured it would get complicated quickly, and it doesn't look set up like other items that can swap out a noun/adjective. I didn't think of Sadie scrolls, so thank you I'll look into that! ❤️

coral aspen
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It's kind of like EZScript lite.

upbeat pendant
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So that would be like 1200 pp to do, right? (estimates of course non-binding conversation etc etc)

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I got spikes once so all my pp are just languishing

coral aspen
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Hard to say. I think so? I don't have one of those on me to look, but that sounds about right.

golden tusk
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Xeraphina do you know if the two things I asked about above Duffield's comments would be allowed or is that a "check with QC" situation?

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I'm working on a Veola item

coral aspen
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I don't know off-hand. I want to say that stone-fired is probably allowed since the language, but raku-fired may not be if only due to "raku" which is specifically Japanese. But I'm not QC, so I can't guarantee this answer 100%

golden tusk
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Okies... stone-fired is probably the better choice for the design I'm working on anyway.

knotty junco
upbeat pendant
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Got it. And since the 15/15/15 design is so heavily involved in the open/close, there's no way any old merchant could really alter it at all? So do you think a sadie scroll could work (I have zero experience on the backend process of sadie), or is it really just no way no how unless it was you offering this specific service?

coral aspen
upbeat pendant
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ok! I'll submit and then see what comes back. Thanks to you both for all the information 😄

mossy mist
# trail geode Plus the original noun alteration has to get done at some point

Delayed reply, but I'm pretty sure you've got the idea already. When I request, I just provide the merchant with a key-value pair of the customizations I'm looking to modify. So far that's been sufficient.



Customization
 Color 1: magenta         Color 2: amaranthine
 Gem: a deep violet duskjewel

Inactive Weapon Customization
 Article: a linden-hafted
 Adjective: invar
 Long (Post Noun): with a damascened blade

Active Weapon Customization
 Article: a blazing
 Adjective: infernal
 Long (Post Noun): with flickering amaranthine fire
----------------------------------------------------
trail geode
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I assume the noun is a separate service

mossy mist
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I believe I have done the noun and a few customizations at once, but I am not certain

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Up to the discretion of the merchant ultimately, I've actually sneaked more than 3 customizations by accident because of a misunderstanding during the process.

lime cosmos
#

Anyone ever tried altering arrow bundles through Sadie and if it is allowed?

slender epoch
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Altering arrows can be a bit weird from my experiences with it (parts of the original arrow stick around in the combat messaging); it’s better to just get a new bundle fletched up IMO.

With the wood chopper box and the feather options from Jeepers Peepers, fletched arrows can be pretty unique these days.

coral aspen
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The WoodChopper box is amazing for this. 😶

tacit ermine
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And if you don't have your own, I'm sure current owners will help you out until you get it

vestal glade
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oh, you said woodCHOPPER... my mistake.

upbeat pendant
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tropic dagger
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Looking for some inspiration for how to alter some item descriptions for a ranger. I have these three things I could switch up:

a leather survival kit, some large eel skin boots, a hip-length fringed doeskin vest

Eel skin boots are probably the main contender. Archer ranger who relates to Kuon, prefers to kill undead things, but otherwise not super developed RP-wise

tacit ermine
tropic dagger
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is there a big mechanical difference in terms of weight/storage? I had it in my head that the eel skin boots were one of those older valuable things because of big pockets or something, but I honestly don’t remember

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if custom boots are mechanically identical or superior, the custom route would probably be better yeah

tacit ermine
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I don't know, that's why I ask. Master cobbled boots hold VSA for 2 tiny items, IIRC

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do an INSPECT and ANALYZE on your eel skin boots to confirm

tropic dagger
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You estimate that some large eel skin boots can store a small amount with enough space for any number of items.

You determine that you could wear the boots on your feet. The boots appear to serve some purpose.

analy my boot
You analyze the eel skin boots and sense that the item is free from merchant alteration restrictions.

You can tell that the boots are as light as they can get, but you might be able to have a talented merchant deepen their pockets for you

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Can I just say that it’s amazing being able to log in real quick from my iPad while at work!

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Bookmarked your site regardless for a few other characters, thank you!

vestal glade
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you should be able to see what the boots can hold via the analyze and inspect verbs. I believe they are capped based on weight and slot, so you can use the chart available on the wiki: https://gswiki.play.net/Deepening

tropic dagger
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yeah looks like small any number. so worth keeping and altering I think

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I was able to come up with neat ideas for my warrior and cleric back in the day, just not able to conjure up a lot of interesting rangerly ideas yet

clever junco
#

Hi! I have a question about auroralaen and the colors allowed to be used in alters for it. I'm working on a 10-sided gown with auroralaen as the fabric and as I work through them I want to make sure I'm using approved colors.

I'm under the impression that auroralaen can be any singular color that naiquard is (because it isn't ombre like naiquard) so that would mean that it can be in these colors:

Sunset naiquard
dark cocoa brown
dark violet
terra cotta orange
warm apricot

**Sunrise naiquard **
dark mauve
dark lavender
light plum
light orange
canary yellow

**Orchard naiquard **
dark pewter
aubergine
dusky violet
Blue-green
light pistachio green.

**River naiquard **
dark antique blue
dark grey-green
medium teal green
luminous teal

If this is the correct list, how specific does it have to be? Can we use ianthine for violet, or jade for blue-green?

flat matrix
#

I do not think it is tied at all to naiquard in that way. The official lore states Auroralaen is as light as chainsil and as comfortable as silk. Soft and smoothly woven, the fabric is airy and breathable. However, it does not take to the dyeing process at all and instead maintains the pattern and semblance of the skies of Naidem. Indeed, the aurora-kissed fabric can even be different depending on where in Naidem it was produced. If the weaver was from the Winterbriar neighborhoods, then the fabric could have more of the cool cerulean and teal hues, while if they were from the Orchard it could have more fuchsia, violet, or coral hues. -- so I'm reaching out to the writer of the lore doc to get clarification.

Overall, it can't take a dye, period, but in general, it may have a bit more of a primary colour depending on where the weaver was, so cool cerulan/teal hues and then the 3 listed from Orchard -- it will still be the pattern and semblance of the sky, so think of it more like "hey, the main colour is more dark blue but it still has all these other Naidem sky colours in it because it is auroralaen"

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So, it's never going to be a singular colour

clever junco
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I think maybe I might have misinterpreted the doc a bit, but also I would love some examples of how that could translate into practical usage. I want to make sure I'm staying true to the documentation, of course.

flat matrix
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We're going to work on getting a bullet point for the OOC note to clarify

clever junco
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You're amazing, thank you so much ❤️

neon spindle
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is there a list of container variations that are accepted..? like, poachers bag, courier bag.. shopping bag, etc..

stuck fossil
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What slot?
poacher or courier might not fly, as there is unlikely a way to know it is owned by a poacher or courier

split dagger
#

Hi all, hoping someone can please help me finish up my custom spell prep design. I'm grateful to have won, but the process has been challenging, and I'd much appreciate some assistance with it:

I'm told by Valyrka that QC says it has to be "clearly not real" by using a term like "image of" or "illusory." Why my raffle-won, unique, custom prep is being significantly more restricted versus existing spell preps I don't understand, but I guess that's what it is. I'm really trying to work with it, but I feel like everything I'm suggesting is being rejected, and then the remnants are being cobbled together into something that feels clunky and which isn't what I originally imagined.

Here's essentially my original request, with the addition of "briefly" to show that it disappears, though this was rejected pre-QC and I was instead asked to include further words at the end to show that it disappears:

1P: You shiver as [a spectral vereri] briefly embraces you from behind, her soft voice echoing the (name) spell in lovelorn whispers.

3P: [A spectral vereri] materializes to embrace Starsworn from behind, echoing the (name) spell in lovelorn whispers.

Hidden: [A spectral vereri] briefly materializes, distraught, her voice wracked with loss as she echoes the (name) spell spoken in the shadows.

Things I've been told are not possible:

spectral vereri, ghostly vereri (OTC spell prep literally has "ghostly doppelganger"), vereri figure/form/shadow/silhouette/nightmare/dream/apparition/shade, spectral form of a vereri

I'm not sure why "briefly materializing" won't work versus ending with an additional exit message, but my suggestion for that was rejected pre-QC.

I had really hoped to keep this short, simple, and clear, but it feels like it's becoming wordy and clunky as a result of all these changes.

Any help would be very much appreciated!

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also rejected: gossamer vereri, rotted lithe + figure/form/shadow/silhouette/nightmare/dream/apparition/shade (without "vereri" in case the issue was that it could be misinterpreted as a real monster)

onyx wing
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I think the issue might be that it's not clear that YOU are the one doing the spell.

split dagger
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thanks for getting back -- that's not what's been communicated to me so far via many exchanges, it's been: (1) "it has to be clearly not real" and (2) "if it appears, it should disappear"

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mostly the former; the latter has been pre-QC discussion, as i understand it

onyx wing
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I think maybe you could get "As Starsworn whispers the words for <spell>, a spectral vereri briefly materializes to softly echo him in lovelorn whispers.

split dagger
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unfortunately, "spectral vereri" was the first thing that was rejected, followed by that long list of attempts afterwards

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and i was also told it has to clearly disappear, thus adding "briefly materializes," which was also rejected

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(the former via QC, the latter pre-QC)

onyx wing
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Ok, sounds like you should ask the GM if they can help you get this into an acceptable to them shape.

split dagger
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i have, and i'm increasingly unhappy with the result because it keeps getting wordier and wordier to address these concerns, i was hoping someone here could suggest something in a direction that would address that issue

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the 2-word description of the illusory creature is now 6 words, instead of a 1-word exit it's now 5

onyx wing
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Oh, maybe it's because an illusion of the vereri shouldn't be able to make noise.

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hm.

split dagger
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i don't want it to be one of these huge paragraph preps, the core idea was for it to be line a single, very short sentence

split dagger
onyx wing
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I understand the frustration. I have a few spell preps that were hard to nail down.

split dagger
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if these were the issue, it would be helpful to know so that i'm aware of what rules i'm working with, this is why the process has been frustrating -- it feels like arbitrary rules are being applied and i'm not even aware of what they are, like how is "spectral form of a vereri" not clearly not-real, and how is "briefly materializes" not evidently temporary?

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i feel like i'm being told that unless i say, "an illusory image of a vereri that's a cardboard cutout which vanishes completely after 2.3 seconds" that it won't work, despite dozens of preps that don't do that

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anyway, i appreciate the efforts to assist, i just don't want to end up with something that feels like it should be character-defining that i'm unhappy with

onyx wing
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How about something in a different vein, like just the ghostly blue arms embracing you.

split dagger
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i do genuinely appreciate the assistance but that feels like, significantly less exciting than OTS preps

# 

As you murmur [Spell Name] into the air, ghostlike leaves appear and swirl about your form, encompassing your body in a cloak of muted autumn hues.  You gesture upwards, causing the foliage to unfurl about you, scattering off into the unknown...

A quiet chorus of songbirds drifts along the wind as you call to nature with the [Spell Name] spell...

Cupping your fingers before you, the tips suddenly darkening to an inky black, you murmur a prayer to the dead, enticing them to aid you in casting [Spell Name].

Spreading your fingers wide, you hold your hands over the ground and draw forth the cold certainty of death.  Shadows rise to your bidding, interlacing with your power as you cast [Spell Name].

Swaying slightly, you hum an ancient hymnal that causes the shadows to gather to you.  Whispering in your ear, the voices of the dead lend their chorus to your hum and aid you in casting [Spell Name].

As you petition the spirits to grant you [Spell Name], diaphanous forms materialize and envelop you in a misty haze. (Restricted to Unpresence.)```
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those are some of the examples of existing ones i sent

warm steppe
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having a spell prep form a "vereri" is pretty much a non-starter. it's a creature that exists in the game. ghostly/spectral/etc do not indicate any sort of illusion that would suggest it isn't an actual ghostly/spectral vereri.

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hence being very specific in it being an illusion

onyx wing
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Ok, I had to have a VERY open mind about mine, and went through many back and forths with the GM in charge at the time.

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Morning, Mars!

split dagger
warm steppe
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hi. also, just offering some insight. I'm not personally involved in it.

split dagger
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hi! thank for the insight, i had the same thought and have already tried to work with it, fruitlessly

modest matrix
#

I like custom spell preps. Please don't steal them word for word. But if they're helpful.

split dagger
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i would much rather have like "lithe rotted shadow"/silhouette/form/anything like that, than "image of a" or "illusory," those just feel neutered to me, but those were also rejected and i'm not totally clear on why

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(without vereri, to be clear)

modest matrix
#

Shadows don't rot, they're incorporeal!

split dagger
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rotted things have shadows!

warm steppe
#

The shadows around you twist into an aged and withered silhouette of your form, replicating each subtle motion as you cast [spell name]. (maybe this will work?)

modest matrix
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So like the image of a rotted creature

split dagger
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i like that as a distinct option, but it eliminates the appearance of the creature, which i had hoped to make sort of central to my character's backstory

modest matrix
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You're not allowed to do images of "huntable" creatures tmk

split dagger
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right, that's where i went to like, "rotted lithe form"

warm steppe
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so take your idea and add "illusion" or "illusory" or "image of" to make a clear distinction?

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it has to differentiate between it being an illusion/image vs possibly being an actual ghostly version of a huntable creature

modest matrix
#

I've worked with Valyrka on a lot of customs, she is very accomodating, but it has to be within a very strict set of rules or what she sends over will just get rejected by QC and you'll have to start over anyway.

split dagger
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totally get that, and yes she's been great, my frustration isn't directed at her, it's at this process of three-way communication where shes the middleman ferrying rules to me that she isnt entirely privvy to, it's like a game of telephone where nobody is quite sure of the rules except the first caller

warm steppe
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it isn't that complicated. you can basically take your original idea and work illusion/image of into it

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there needs to be a clear distinction in regards to that

stuck fossil
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As you prepare [Spell Name], the illusion of an xyz flickers in and out of existence.

warm steppe
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yeah even that would probably be ok.

modest matrix
#

Find a way to make the words she's provided to you work in a way that makes you happy

split dagger
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no other spell prep i'm aware of is required to say that it's an image or illusion, i feel like that hamstrings the idea, it takes all the "oomph" out of it -- someone reading that will view it more like a Polaroid than a magical prep

stuck fossil
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Do they use a "real live huntable monster"

warm steppe
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they do if they involve a huntable creature/etc.

stuck fossil
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ghostly leaves are one thing, ghostly pookas are scary

split dagger
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right, and as i said, i offered to remove the huntable creature and replace it with "rotted lithe form" which is not a huntable creature, every varation of that was still rejected

warm steppe
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a rotted lithe form is a physical thing, not an illusion/image

#

again, there needs to be clear distinction

stuck fossil
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the image of a rotted lithe form appears overlayed over character as they murmur the words for {Spell Name]

split dagger
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ghostlike leaves, ghostly doppelganger, shadows rising are all physical things, and all on OTS preps

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by that argument, you see what i mean?

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there are literally dozens of preps with physical things by that argument

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so if it's a problem because it's huntable, i removed the huntable part, and it's still physical like dozens of other preps, and it's still not OK -- that's the rule i'm not understanding

modest matrix
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I'm gonna bow out, but my only advice is that this not a winnable argument.

warm steppe
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Yeah I have offered all the advice I can. Sorry if you are not content with it.

split dagger
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i appreciate the efforts to help, genuinely, i get the sense that my frustration is a bit contagious -- i think that how you are feeling is how i am! i feel again like i'm running a race in the dark, and being told that i need to run straight ahead, but then there's a river there, and swimming isn't allowed

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i'll continue to work with it, maybe i can work in "vision" or "mirage" in a manner that still allows it to feel exciting and unique, thanks for the work

warm steppe
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well... no. I understand the rules and have offered a way to make your desired outcome work by adding a single word or two

#

the clear distinction between an illusion of something, or image of something is a hard line when it comes to describing certain things in the context of a spell prep.

split dagger
#

i'm not trying to be argumentative here, i'm truly trying to understand what you're saying, bear with me:

in response to that, i can paste numerous OTS preps that are not clearly illusory, e.g: ```As Character murmurs an incantation, his ghostly doppelganger flickers in and out of an unstable existence beside him.

Third Person: Character waves a hand through the air and cups it to gather a swirl of wind as he chants an incantation.

Third Person: With graceful motions, Clanmaster's fingers weave gossamer threads of energy into a weblike sigil.

Third Person: Clanmaster presses his palms together and slowly separates them as ethereal skeins of roseate plasma stretch between his hands before dissipating like smoke.

Third Person: Clanmaster's hands swirl with an electrified black smoke as he summons demonic energies into battle.

Third Person: As Clanmaster murmurs in an echoing voice, the very space around his outstretched hand wavers and distorts in response...

Third Person: Clanmaster's outstretched palm seems to shift out of reality itself as he conjures the power of the valences.```can you help me understand the distinction here?

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in other words, why does mine have to literally say "image of" when nothing else does?

if the complaint is that it's a huntable creature, OK, totally understandable -- i removed the huntable creature

then you're again telling me it can't be something physical, which is not the case for any other spell prep, and so then i'm not sure what the issue with mine is, and trying to understand that next step

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alastir linked >20 of his preps above, most of which were physical, though he seems to have removed it

lament aspen
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What spell or circle you are preparing also has some play

split dagger
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thanks for chiming in, vanah -- this one is for all spells

lament aspen
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It does have to be fairly generic

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The valences one I would say is for sorcerer spells only or a specific one

split dagger
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right, that certainly makes sense to me

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can't be communicating with dark valences while you prepare Bless

warm steppe
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not with that attitude!

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😄

split dagger
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i know, i was thinking to myself, some sheruvian priest is muttering a curse at me right now

warm steppe
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that can be arranged...

split dagger
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i'll take it, i have been thinking starsworn was a bit tentacle-deficient (wait, is that ivas?)

warm steppe
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I was thinking Marlu

split dagger
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marlu! was on the tip of my tongue, thank you

upbeat pendant
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theres a few tentacle friends

split dagger
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in my defense, ivas also has tentacles

warm steppe
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Ivas, Marlu, and Ghezresh I think?

upbeat pendant
#

tentaceel

lament aspen
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There are a lot of nuances and it is hard when you see some that look like they would be similar, but are either less restricted because they are restricted to a specific spell or circle, or was released before current QC rules were established, or slipped through during a mass review. We do have to keep in mind the rule in ALTER 9 that just because something exists elsewhere, doesn't mean it will pass QC today.

warm steppe
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maybe not Ghezy

stuck fossil
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Animalistic gear is great for getting your tentacle on

warm steppe
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parasite stuff is very tentacled as well. it is even sold in a Temple of Tentacles!

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but I do find the kraken themed stuff for animalistic pretty neat

stuck fossil
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Grapple flares that are imagery of Tentacles wrapping the enemy up, is always a fun time

warm steppe
#

I have found the tentacle spell customization for Grasp of the Grave to be rather funny.

split dagger
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always reminds me of a gemstone sarlacc pit!

onyx wing
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the rules are always evolving, I ran into that just the other day. sobs, stole-less

split dagger
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haunted stole? i love those things

rotund inlet
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if i could offer another piece of advice that has helped me: remember that the first person messaging doesn't need to be the same as the third person. i like to do my spell preps/ez scripts with longer first person messaging and fairly simply third person messaging. so it is possible you could see the vereri (or other being) in the first person because it's something that is definitely in your mind's eye. to an onlooker, maybe your character just cants his head to the side as if listening to a whispered voice, or a chill drifts through the area, or a shadow briefly contorts, or something. i think there is a little more leeway when it's something only you can see, and also i like how the first person messaging can be a little more verbose in digging into how you see the character interacting with magic in general. that relationship might not be obvious to an onlooker.

neon spindle
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i have a courier bag, and a poachers bag as well.. i like these things

trail geode
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courier pouch could conceivably be something with a standardized look, poucher's pouch shouldn't be allowed even if it is sold OTS haha

stuck fossil
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I linked a list of alteration nouns on the wiki, but as always with ALTER everything is up to the GM discretion at time of service.

sand furnace
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For what it's worth I think the vereri prep is still cool with illusory added to it. Doesn't detract from it at all. We as players already know it's illusory because nobody gets to have a pet vereri help them cast spells. The word illusory goes without saying and if it lets you otherwise have the prep you wanted to have, I think that's a small concession to make

split dagger
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I ended up submitting with “vereri mirage” so fingers crossed!

clever junco
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I like that a lot, good luck ❤️

split dagger
lime cosmos
#

If I want to alter a forehead gem to something not in the normal treasure system, like an Evermore or Pennant Chase gems, would i need to supply the alteration gem?

lament aspen
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It you inspect or analyze the gem it should tell you if it needs to be supplied

lime cosmos
lament aspen
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Sadie should be able to handle it.

coral aspen
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Sadie would probably be better than a live merchant for that, tbh

lime cosmos
stuck fossil
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I would say, write it into the info and have the fodder on your character so the gm doing the work knows and can yank it from your inventory?

lament aspen
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Yes. Sadie now requires you both be in the game at the same time and the item doesn't leave your inventory, so we can take fodder now if necessary. The item would be confiscated.

lime cosmos
lime cosmos
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Need a bit of help with my alteration because im not sure how to express it.
A deep verdant teardrop star emerald encasing an elven sigil

lime cosmos
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A crystalline elven sigil encased by a deep verdant teardrop star emerald

vestal glade
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What are you trying to express? What look are you going for conceptually?

lime cosmos
upbeat pendant
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is the sigil a physical thing inside the gem?

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I dont know forehead gems well but does the 15/15/15 need to be the emerald, and the sigil is part of the long?

lime cosmos
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But since there are two nouns, im not sure which goes first in the long.

lime cosmos
flat matrix
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The base 15/15/15 of a forehead gem should always be a valid gem, so the noun would need to be emerald, just FYI. While you can front-load additional details before the noun, if you do too many, it becomes grammatically awkward often times

stiff rose
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I'm trying to help a friend who wants to alter an Animalistic Totem's "Veola" type customizations for the different sides. Can anyone who has already had one altered for them share what the analyze readout looks like after it's been adjusted? Specifically, I'm looking for anything in this part:

    * Bone/Tooth Design: None [Default]
    * Flower Design: None [Default]
    * Gem Design: None [Default]
    * Bug/Aquatic Life Design: None [Default]
    * Miscellaneous Design: None [Default]```
slender epoch
# stiff rose I'm trying to help a friend who wants to alter an Animalistic Totem's "Veola" ty...

Base design is- a scraggly kobold scalp fetish covered in dandruff flecks, so all these replace the "covered in dandruff flecks"

    * Feather Design: matted with mite-infested <adj>s [Custom]
    * Bone/Tooth Design: set in a crooked smile of <adj>s [Custom]
    * Flower Design: sprouting a mildewed <adj> [Custom]
    * Gem Design: dangling a mismatched trio of prosthetic <adj> eyes [Custom]
    * Bug/Aquatic Life Design: bearing a crude <adj> tattoo [Custom]
    * Miscellaneous Design: hopelessly tangled within <full> [Custom]```
stiff rose
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thank you!

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Also that design is outstanding.

clever junco
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I hate that I love it so much.

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But also, I want to pay Trallihn to design me an outfit (not the gross stuff but I think he's just kinda a wizard at it).

frigid grove
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Sometimes I'll show Trallihn something gross I've designed and he'll counter with the most repulsive alteration ever and I just go back to the drawing board

lime jungle
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Not discounting his abilities, but it definitely works better when you have a strong theme.

vestal glade
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It certainly narrows down the possibilities and channels the energy more effectively I'll grant, but I think his creativity is up there with some of the best.

frigid grove
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He probably has a secret alt who is an elven nations barbie

vestal glade
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squeakily clean, always proper, never passed gas in their entire life.

timber fiber
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The idea that Trallihn is also Rohese amused me far more than it should have.

silent vapor
flat matrix
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It certainly sounded that way

timber fiber
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Forgot GIFs don’t work 😦

slender epoch
timber fiber
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Likewise, if Roh was going to have an alter-ego, I think Trallihn would be perfect.

vestal glade
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there are worse people to be I suppose.

timber fiber
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They don’t come more “opposite ends of a spectrum!”

slender epoch
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Yep. No one wants to see my spreadsheets.

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Oh yeah… I’m leaving it anyways.

vapid quail
clever junco
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Is there a character count max for room descriptions (like 511 for items)?

stiff rose
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511, yes. Though GMs have available special tools to reference objects for a shorter number of characters, causing them to appear as hyperlinks.

trail geode
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for what's worth, when I wrote my major sanct I was told the limit is 511 characters

grim kelp
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Presumably unicorn hide as a material would be a no, right? I don't think we have any way to supply it.

coral aspen
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Stop trying to skin unicorns!!!

trail geode
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alter 42 is a little weird here, because there is not technically a category for unicorns -- they are mythical, non-huntable creatures that exist in elanthia. but I assume they are covered under "mythical non-skinnable" and so yeah you would need to provide unicorn parts, which you can't do

grim kelp
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I didn't try though! My own unicorn is happy and healthy. 😄

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Just... information is never bad.

silent vapor
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Ok but... let's say you bought a unicorn at RW. What if you include its reins and just turn in the whole unicorn?

stoic sparrow
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That should get you enough hide for multiple items, depending on what they are

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Plus some unicorn steak for a basketifier

grim kelp
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That could also get you a lightning bolt and require a Ravenloft Powers check, but maybe those things are worth it.

clever junco
coral aspen
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Those are not considered as part of the room painting.

clever junco
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Thank you, brain go poof

vestal glade
lime jungle
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Is a chatelaine primarily a feminine item or would something like a shamanistic grouping of idols/fetishes hung from the belt also be considered a chatelain? All references I see of them online are worn by women but it describes kind of what I'm trying to make.

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Can't find another word to describe that type of belt-hung decoration.

vestal glade
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A chatelaine was an office held, usually by a woman, akin to the head butler. They were responsible for running the household and would have a keyring called the same that held keys for important rooms and allowed them access to areas otherwise restricted.

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So, in this instance I don't think it would have the same connotation. However, I think I know where you're going with this...

lime jungle
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I talking about the belt decoration.

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Probably the keychain you're referring to.

vestal glade
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the office and the key ring were called the same thing

lime jungle
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I just can't find a word to describe that bunch of skulls/fetishes/feathers/etc. that a shaman would hang from their belt

vestal glade
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medicine bundle, girdle of charms/fetishes, or incorporated into a pocketed belt you could have the belt be described as adorned with the fetishes/etc.

light flame
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I have a question on the rats you find in the sewers at duskruin? I have altered a few rat from there and I'm doing another and noticed that's say you cant alter them now? I thought they could be altered with a Sadie scroll? I'm from Platinum and haven't really done any altering over here in a longtime so not sure if anything had changed over here? You analyze the ship rat and sense that the item cannot be altered in any way.

vestal glade
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analyze it's bag

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since that's where the information on the rat is stored.

light flame
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Ok thanks

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This new Sadie update is interesting, is it normal for the tag to disappear?

elder wind
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If it’s a rat, yes.

light flame
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Ok good to know!

elder wind
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We have one person who does most of the rat conversions (just because they like doing them) but if yours doesn't progress or doesn't update, please drop an Assist. We are still tweaking the new system.

vestal glade
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strange individuals indeed.

elder wind
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I like to do enchants and spikes. I do a lot of padding.

vestal glade
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I don't judge

light flame
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@elder wind ok I’ll give a few weeks see if there’s any movement 👍

elder wind
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Pop me a DM with the character name and I'll just unofficially check on our end.

tacit ermine
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I'm glad our staff does Sadie scrolls based on what they like, and, presumably, are most familiar and comfortable with.

vestal glade
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just for that I'm giving all of my rat alters to Vanah

coral aspen
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I like enhancives. 😶

lament aspen
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I am on the spikes train, don't bring that evil down on me. I grab tents when I see them

lime jungle
upbeat pendant
pastel burrow
# light flame This new Sadie update is interesting, is it normal for the tag to disappear?

Only if you requested the service a week or more ago. We updated Sadie so she just hands you the tag for rats instead of trying to “tag them”. Please keep the tags on you if she doesn’t tag your item, it’s your way to interact with the service, send messages, and know when it’s complete. If the tag falls off, please grab it. If you don’t notice and lose it, that’s ok. Just request a new service, and we’ll cancel your other one. If you have any issues feel free to ASSIST.

light flame
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@pastel burrow ok yeah my tag disappeared and it won’t let me get a new one.

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@pastel burrow Itzel was looking into it

pastel burrow
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Gotcha, yeah it only allows on open service per type, thanks for reporting it!

light flame
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@pastel burrow 👍

clever junco
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I don't know if we have any Private Property GM wizardy types in here but I have questions!

There is a line in the sitting room of my PP that I have been trying to find a way to change for reasons.

the elk trophy isn't an object so altering it won't work... We have been looking at ways to use various PP certs to maybe make this happen and before I go spending time/money/alters on it, can someone tell me if this is feasible?

I could alter a DTH item to look like "an immense elk trophy" then have an imbed item cert used. After that, come along with an alter and turn it into something that isn't a dead animal head but would fit the room description.

An alternative would be to use a forage item prop and alter it into said head, install it in the room then try and use an alter ticket on it (I don't know if you can) or maybe make it a plant type head or something.

Thoughts? Ideas? Please? It's a loft and that thing can see where she sleeps 🙁

vestal glade
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If it's not an actual object in the room, it's part of the base room description. Which means it can be removed/rerwitten as long as the new description follows the guidelines. I don't know what the mechanism would be to facilitate this however. You could maybe try a sadie scroll other and see what the recommendation would be.

stiff rose
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If you were to get a prop of some type made, add it to the room, imbed it in the room, and then alter it again via bungalow alter certs.. only "an immense elk head trophy" would be modified in the sentence. The rest of it, "Above the hearth, ... surveys its domain with a solemn gaze." would remain. Are you trying to get that changed, too, or just the elk head trophy? If that also, this service does not currently exist in certificate form.

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I think it might have been made available at a super high end auction option once or twice before, essentially as a rewrite a whole room service, but I could also be misremembering a requested service

clever junco
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I feel like we're not going to see anything outside of the current cert offerings for PPs anytime in the near future... so trying to find a way to work within what's available is my next best step. I think I could make a room prop that looks like the immense stag head, imbed it, then alter it into whatever... I just don't want to drop like 75k-100k spookybux on something that won't work =p

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(also getting rid of the oak panelling would be sweet, but yanno...)

vestal glade
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You could assist and talk to a GM, they might have some recommendations as to how to get that altered.

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but honestly, anything like that is going to hit QC and that usually means high end cost associated or a raffle/etc.

stiff rose
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Yeah in that case, I'd do "alter x thing to look like an immense elk head trophy", put it in the room, use an embed cert, then use a bungalow alter cert.

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Super pricey and convoluted

clever junco
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Do you think I need to use an item with a PLACE script on it? Or just alter any old item and use the embed cert

stiff rose
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Or request the service for every single event til it's offered, heh

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I know you're not the only one who has wanted a room redesign, either in whole or part

clever junco
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I want room additions to go back into the simucoin store, but I don't think we'll ever see that again.

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Yeah, I pretty much love everything about it, but that elk head line so creepy.

rotund inlet
clever junco
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That makes sense, I was worried if it was a DTH because then does that mean the script gets stripped when it's embededded?

rotund inlet
clever junco
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Or will they decline the service because it's a scripted item... man my brain just hurts thinking about it.

clever junco
rotund inlet
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forage props are scripted and they imbed but i feel like the DTH wouldn't work after...

clever junco
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Which I'm fine with, it's a means to an end, yanno?

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As long as I can alter cert it, I don't care about the script lol

lament aspen
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DTH items cannot be imbedded

vestal glade
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the lack of gifs in this channel disturbs me.

clever junco
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Are there items that can be PLACE'd that can be embedded?

rotund inlet
clever junco
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Or maybe we can mail the item to be embedded to whoever is working on it?

stiff rose
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I know that was done for adding stoves

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They were not embedded for that process, just placed. Unless you also did an embed cert afterward, heh.

clever junco
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I mean that would work too, but there isn't a cert for anything but still/churn/stove I think

stiff rose
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Got my childhood wood stove added that way!

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I feel like this is probably a case of as soon as you figure out a way to make it happen within current constraints and then get it done..a more streamlined approach will be introduced. But in the meantime, it's just a waiting game and hoping that your repeated requests are finally answered.

clever junco
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Yeah, it kind of just feels like they're stepping away from PPs completely... and maybe that'll change with the 64 bit upgrade.. but like who knows when that'll happen or how long after that they'll circle back around.

stiff rose
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I'm still sad that additional bungalow neighborhoods got axed due to complaints. They should be more available, not less :/

clever junco
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I absolutely agree.

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I wonder if that contributed, along with the storage issues, to the lack of movement or improvement to PPs in general.

vestal glade
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probably, I get the impression the pp properties and the stores were a bit more of a monster than they originally intended.

clever junco
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I mean, throwing whole properties up in the simucoin store probably didn't help that... but going from like 10-12 to like 50+ was mostly likely part of it =p

lament aspen
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There were more than I expected

clever junco
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I bet. I'm totally fine with finding ways of working in the system to get what I'm trying to do done because continually badgering for something doesn't sit well.

So if you have any tips/hints/pathways, even if you're not sure but you think could work... I'd be grateful (but also understandable if you can't)

lament aspen
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I don't think there is currently without winning a room rewrite

vestal glade
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hmm, bummer

clever junco
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It is what it is, and I'll keep gunning for the chance to get that dead carcass out of my living room =p

vestal glade
upbeat pendant
long niche
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(It was me)

clever junco
brittle coral
clever junco
# brittle coral Well... you COULD purchase the ARTWORK addition for your property. Then you COU...

This is a great alternative! I've been considering commissioning a portrait of Hotu (my teadragon) in a smoking jacking, monocle and not-a-top-hat, and I could see him solmenly looking over the room in his dapper little suit. 🙂

But is this something we can do? Be like "Please replace that non-object elk head in the room description with this fancy artwork addition" and that's like acceptable? I kind of assumed it had to be like a word-for-word thing.

brittle coral
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So the artwork add I'm talking about isn't really a single piece of artwork, it clusters portraits, maps, things like that on the wall.

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Yes, typically, it should be word for word or share a base noun, but if the item being added doesn't change the sentence structure, then I think there could be some wiggle room. For example:

Above the fireplace hangs an ugly dead animal head.

Could easily be:

Above the fireplace hangs (several pieces of artwork).

But the below wouldn't work:

Above the fireplace hangs a series of artwork. Because its clunky.

stiff rose
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I love the artwork script and do recommend it

brittle coral
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I think you can also alter the base script add certificate so that the artwork appears as you want it to (like the base description and what not)

clever junco
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This is, unfortunately, the sentence I have to work with...
Above the hearth, an immense elk trophy surveys its domain with a solemn gaze.

brittle coral
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Woah..

clever junco
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Yeah, it's very restrictive.

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I've considered a painting, a statue, turning the animal carcass head into like... a topiary head of some kind

lime jungle
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That's pretty awesome and evocative. I'd change the "elk trophy" part only and be super happy with it (obviously that's just me)

clever junco
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Yeah... dead animal heads on the wall is 100000% not my sylvan's bag.

lime jungle
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A carved or cultural mask?

brittle coral
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What about a foraged item prop.... Something like "a woven river reed and birch bark basket displays an array of living plants" Then the sentence could be "Above the hearth, (whole item)"

clever junco
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But would it make sense to have "surveys its domain with a solemn gaze."

brittle coral
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No, you'd only put the item after Above the Hearth

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So it would be "Above the hearth, a woven river reed and birch bark basket displays an array of living plants."

clever junco
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Huh... that is a much larger room text change than I anticipated I could make. (since the elk head isn't an item currently)

brittle coral
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But it really isn't

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We would just be putting the ITEM there and it would display its long description.

clever junco
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Oh hrm... I mean if I have this level of flexibility and if I could do something similiar with the artwork, I might go that route.

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You've made this sound so much easier that I thought it was

brittle coral
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I'll probably be raffling off (Trove at EG) other property modifications. So you can look for those, too.

clever junco
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I definitely want the artwork for another room so maybe I grab one and hope for magical auction wins

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Thank you for the clarification and ideas ❤️ ❤️

quick trout
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I am looking for the script name associated with a series of fluff verbs for blunt weapons. Don't think the script ever got onto the wiki, and for the life of me I can't locate the weapon I bought/had the script added to. It was introduced either at 2017 or 2018 EG and may have been added by a merchant name Rimmah at CI Shop: Let's Be Blunt. Does this ring a bell to anyone?

lament aspen
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it looks like the shop was overwritten with something else, so it's no longer available to check

upbeat pendant
lament aspen
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May have found it in shattered? But the weapons are unscripted

quick trout
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Thanks. When I get access to my 2018 logs again I'll do some more digging, see if I can find it

flat matrix
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any sort of messaging it had would help narrow it down to for searching!

quick trout
# quick trout I am looking for the script name associated with a series of fluff verbs for blu...

Found some log deets. This came from EG 2018. It might not even be blunt specific, but that's all the merchant was working on.

Rimmah says, "It changes based on how much it weighs, if it has a flare, and what the enchant is."

Verbs include Touch, Wave, Rub:

wave my warmace
As you slice the warmace through the air, it emanates a deep reverberating sound.
rub my warmace
As you rub your warmace lightly, a tan wisp of light appears briefly before your eyes.
touch my warmace
You run your fingers over your warmace, admiring the weight and balance.

flat matrix
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looks like that was an old Dhu Gillywack script "for noisy weapons"

quick trout
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Sweet, thanks for clarifying. Given the description it leads me to believe there are a lot of permutations for this script, and it might be handy with the flourish system. Is there a process to request it be converted to a flourish?

flat matrix
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I do not believe there is a specific process to request that, but I believe there's a flourish discussion thread lurking around somewhere that you could suggest it in!

quick trout
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Will do, thanks again!

flat matrix
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NP!

grim kelp
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For bows, is there any restriction on mentioning a bowstring or what material a bow is strung with? I'm not sure if there are any scripts with verbs that string or unstring a bow, but perhaps that would just be a restriction for those.

vapid quail
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I think there may be an older script that does that, but I would say for a regular bow you could mention it.

hollow rampart
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I want to make this katana. I would need to attend a gald, and get alchemy dyes for "shimmering" and "sapphire-blue". is that correct, or am I missing something?

a shimmering sapphire-blue mithril katana inscribed with mystical Vaalorian runes

split dagger
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Shimmering yes, blue no

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“Mystical” probably not allowed? 🤷‍♂️

hollow rampart
mossy mist
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You shouldn't need a dye for the color

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But yes, you do have length issues

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15/15/15
a shimmering/sapphire-blue/katana

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Can't include both the color and material

rotund inlet
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you could have a 15/15/15 of a shimmering/sapphire blue/katana and still have the long be a shimmering sapphire blue mithril katana inscribed with Vaalorian runes

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i agree that mystical is probably too subjective to make it

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if you are looking for a color that is "sapphire blue" but shorter, you might like "pavonated"

hollow rampart
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thanks all

warm steppe
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sapphire blue would not be hyphenated

modest matrix
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You might need a Vaalorian Elf merchant to get that part

hollow rampart
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ohhh that makes things interesting

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i believe there's no other noun for a katana?

hollow rampart
upbeat pendant
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also in my mind, does the common observer know that a rune is Vaalorian (honest question as like, I think most people would know if they saw hieroglyphics, but less obvious if you're seeing say Japanese vs Chinese vs Korean characters.. so idk where Vaalorian falls in this made up spectrum).

When I use AI to brainstorm ideas, I always throw in that descriptions need to be visual and make sense for a casual observer otherwise you get like "bearing a tempered edge quenched in the fires of Mt Doom" which sounds cool but like how would you know just by looking at it

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also fun side note, I've been doing a lot of alterations with dye additives lately, and Id say half the merchants tell me that there needs to be a color associated with it, and half dont. (a shimmering blue katana vs a shimmering katana)

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Also finally idk how you feel about shows vs a long long, but sometimes it really does make sense to have a clean 15/15/15 and "short" long that can be followed up with a really nice show

lament aspen
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There should be a color attached to it but you don't have to have that color additive treated dye

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Cultural adjectives are allowed even though what you said

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Mystical breaks one of the ALTER rules about giving mundane things magical properties

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But elegant, stylized, gilded would all work with the runes

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And may I interest you in a deep garnet or dark crimson instead

hollow rampart
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thank you

flat matrix
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And you don’t need a merchant of that culture to do cultural adjectives like Vaalorian. The rare merchant might RP that way but most will do it

vestal glade
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can we figure out the maximum amount of hyphens that can exist in a particular item? For science?

lament aspen
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A silver-sheened cloth-of-gold hilt-wrapped cat-o-nine-tails

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Replace hilt with the applicable word

coral aspen
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Thanks, I hate it

upbeat pendant
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eventually just have your gear as morse code

hollow rampart
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thats really hard to read... haha

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say it 10 times in a row

vestal glade
flat matrix
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Okay, into the feeder with 30 of those!

vestal glade
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make sure you set the value above 25k so it doesn't get pawned automatically

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and I would cherish one of these if I found it in a box, NGL

flat matrix
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bind it to your hand so you can't get rid of it.

vestal glade
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cursed? metal.

vapid quail
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My next fest shop

vestal glade
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My chaos goblin tendencies have performed admirably. My work here is done.

knotty junco
vestal glade
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totally historical, much accuracy

knotty junco
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See, you get it.

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Why go to the trouble of getting something authenticated or of questionable provenance when Hoorne can just make you one, easy peasy.

clever junco
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Is this the original Hoorne or one of his many, soon to be realized, clones?

vestal glade
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Cloornes if you will?

upbeat pendant
lime jungle
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I was informed that a talon-ringed troll cross belt sounds like it is a belt made of a 'troll cross' material and might need to be reworked (the item has to have an animal part in it, so I'm imagining the cross being formed from talons).

How would you describe this belt potentially? I've only seen it referred to as a troll cross belt

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rotund inlet
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a low-draping belt of leather cordage secured through a central ring? that is very pretty

split dagger
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a low-draping belt of leather cordage buckled with a troll cross?

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working off missoni's beautiful work, of course

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"troll cross" is that very specific shape, i'd think that would be OK?

lament aspen
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A wide belt of interwoven leather cords converging on a circular rune

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Google says it's modern

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We got in game runes to choose from

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Make it eelskin and feed it through a cheliborous

split dagger
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interesting! so it is! i had no idea

lime jungle
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It's a bone shaman cloak closure, so I might be limited to a few words, but I don't know if that's true - could that be confirmed before I get to a merchant?

lime jungle
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I have to include talons or some animal part, but this helps.

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low-draping belt converging through a talon-forged ring?

split dagger
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an iron loop with crossed ends? for the buckle part. talon-forged, they may say you can't forge a talon

lime jungle
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talon-formed?

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It's probably still too long anyhow, but these are helpful.

fleet cloud
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Folk who kint read runes aint gonna know wot kinda rune. Da best rool assa always issa dont tell me wot it is...show me.

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talon'd

split dagger
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talon-carved? carved of talon?

fleet cloud
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I also dont see talons represent'd... I see loops.

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I also see groin-focused-antlers! ew.

lime jungle
lime jungle
fleet cloud
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Makin stuff's haff assa hard assa Thinkin bout stuff! Ye'll git der.

light flame
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I need some feed back on something I'm working if anyone has time?

lime jungle
mossy mist
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Gallon?

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By context, it sounds like you're describing a ship

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Which would be a galleon

light flame
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Yes that would be right

mossy mist
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What sort of ship are you altering? A toy of some sort?

light flame
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Sort of

fringe rune
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Would changing the look of Sprite Armor robes be considered a General Alteration or an Item Customization?

vestal glade
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For the purposes of cost, or...?

fringe rune
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Trying to figure out if it's eligible if I get chosen for one of the General Alteration events

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Or is that solely at the discretion of the merchant?

lament aspen
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Sprite armor is a tricky one because the alteration is done through the customizations. Some merchants might not be able to work on them because it's tricky

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So yes, sprite armor can be altered via GALD, but not all GALD merchants will be able to work on that item

fringe rune
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Got it, I'll be sure to have a backup plan if the opportunity comes up! As a follow up question, if I were to use Sadie this would be considered an Item Customization and not an Alteration?

lament aspen
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For tag purposes I think either is fine. If I was Sadie I would do 300 for one side either way, active or inactive, whether you submit as a customization or as an alter

brittle coral
lime jungle
brittle coral
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I don't understand your question

lime jungle
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I was trying to include a troll cross belt in my alteration and it was mentioned that the term had to go through QC. That might be a bigger process than just asking here though, I realize.

brittle coral
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Oh, I more meant I was going to work on the design as a scripted item, not necessarily the term.

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If you wer etold it has to go through QC then it has to go through QC.

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I wasn't contradicting that.

vestal glade
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I was told I had to go through QC once.

long niche
vestal glade
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I prefer not to say on advice of my attorney.

long niche
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ILLEGAL ALTERATION

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🚓

waxen yarrow
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Can Veolas be plural? Like "a set of hairpins" as opposed to "a hairpin"?

coral aspen
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A quick search of the last EG says... yes.

waxen yarrow
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Thank you! I even own those...

coral aspen
lime jungle
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Can a GALD merchant update an existing ez-script if you just want to alter some of the messaging?

coral aspen
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Negative. All EZscripts need to go through QC.

lime jungle
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So essentially same cost as a new ezscript?

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or would it be a Sadie 300 point alteration

coral aspen
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Couldn't tell you that. We don't typically alter EZscripts after the fact, so your best bet would be to submit and see if it could even be done or is allowed.

lime jungle
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Yea but which do I submit as, ez or standard alteration.

coral aspen
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I would suggest the general "item" one.

clever junco
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If I have a grammatical/spelling error in a glamour tattoo should I assist, bug it or?

coral aspen
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Actually... no, not an assist.... BUG

clever junco
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SEE HOW CONFUSING IT IS

coral aspen
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I own them now, so I get it.

clever junco
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(also I wish I could alter/change it because it's.... I don't know what I was thinking)

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OHOHO.

coral aspen
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(yes, I got the bug on the shimmer trinket issue, and I'm still trying to figure out if and how to make it work)

clever junco
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Oh yeah, I kinda figured that one was going to be a nightmare.

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But I'd looooooove to be able to sadie scroll some of that or something someday. But it's deffo a niche, difficult thing that has to go through QC so kinda assuming it is what is. 🙂

coral aspen
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It's not something that can be sadie scrolled, tbh.

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But the reason it's a BUG and not an ASSIST is because the fully custom ones are essentially their own script.

clever junco
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Yep, kinda figure, esp with QC. Just... you known pipe dreams of updating it from early days.

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That makes complete sense!

upbeat pendant
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pov: you are an idea heading to QC

vestal glade
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locked into a geo-stable orbit around a black hole? Time flies in QC then.

upbeat pendant
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sure, but then every minute in QC is 7 years to us 😭

elder wind
vestal glade
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on the bright side, you'll outlive us all

elder wind
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I'm trying hard not to!

vestal glade
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relativity doesn't care

elder wind
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Nor my liver.

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So we might be at a stand-off.

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And yet, this isn't about alterations anymore, so... I'll see myself oot.

little mirage
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Would either a vestement or surplice be an acceptable noun to replace 'cape' on an armor concealer?

vestal glade
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If it's worn on the chest I think so, over armor concealer.

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Not sure on surplice

minor knoll
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``here is my question. I have this satchel I bought for 10m for the intention of the dachre symbol which I want to keep.

If at eg I get it altered to add a 511 character show is there anyway to keep this when looking at the satchel without ruining the original integrity of the item?

You see a glyph-like mark on the herbalist's satchel:
               @  
               |  
              (|  
            o  X  
            |  |) 
         .  |  |  

"Bloom" is written below the mark in small, light writing.``````
verbal swan
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Probably just the long, if anything, but there's a GM typing.

coral aspen
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You could place an ASSIST to ask, though.

minor knoll
minor knoll
coral aspen
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Yeah, best bet is ASSIST.

minor knoll
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It's an old juggernaut item. Yea I'll assist tomorrow.

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Thx again

lament aspen
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I am pretty sure the glyphs are scripted. I don't think show descriptions take at all

near crag
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Question! If you are getting all sides of a shadowplay gown, and need to provide a rare material, do you need to provide that material x 2 if you are wanting it for two sides?

brittle coral
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No, because the idea is that the gown is modified by the magic but its still the same gown.

near crag
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Oh, yay! Thanks 🙂

viscid abyss
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They were talking about alterations in the eg channel and someone mentioned that they got pushback for wanting to use "dragon" in their alter. Is this not allowed now? I just had one done in the last few months and was planning on getting more. Thx

vapid quail
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I have made dragon items, but they were very clearly not real.

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Dragons embroidered on items, dragon-shaped items, stuffed dragons etc. should be fine, but it would be up to the individual merchant if they make such items.

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So it would depend on how one is trying to use it