#[Official] Alteration Help

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worn mica
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only I ripped off the sleves and split the skirt for function and mobility.

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and it's cold in icemule so added the lambskin..

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Which to me this looks like an undershirt and could potientially add a corest to define the bust and pants to keep the legs warm. I don't know ya'll .. maybe I'm too outside that box.

golden tusk
worn mica
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hehehe perfect.. "A houppelande or houpelande is an outer garment, with a long, full body and flaring sleeves, that was worn by both men and women in Europe in the late Middle Ages. Sometimes the houppelande was lined with fur." So the lambskin isn't out of place!

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So looks like I need to find some actual undergarmet. Opalina's running around layerless in a destroyed Houppelande.

worn mica
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it would stand to reason that Opalina does not fit in at court and within high society. Mearly a gutter rat posing as an important public figure within a tiny growing hamlet of Icemule. Her continued exposure to the higher classed more educated fashion sensable people like yourselves can only help her grow nods

tacit ermine
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Tomorrow (Thursday) at 9pm ET, Elanthian Elegance and other Fashionistas will be in Ember Ridge Orchard at Naidem (map room 122/u8083160) providing assistance for anyone that needs help prepping alteration ideas for Merchant Week - Don't be that person in the merchant line! Bring your stuff, your vague ideas, and your cries for help. Don't worry if you're late - I'll definitely stick around until at least 10pm ET, later if there's still anyone needing help, until my brain goes mush.

(Yes, this is the same time as the first GHOUL games, but I can't really make any other time commitments before our 3rd session on Monday afternoon.)

worn mica
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I'll be there I could use all the help I can get. I mean the above evidance speaks for itself!

prisma plover
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It goes on top of other clothing, normally attached to belt. In court dress it was normally a pelt, or bag or pouch that covered the front of britches (laced up zipper area). Kings/duke's and other members of court also often had "fancy" ones meant to enhance the appearance of the area (likely why the labyrinth gif came up when googled)

upbeat pendant
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as always appreciate your deep knolwedge -- I'll have to go back and find my log I think, but I believe me the player wanted to highlight more of the glassy features (shine and translucense) but there was pushback on that. I'm not like made or anything, but I know another friend of mine had a similar experience (probably with a different GM) so let me pull up the specific log and maybe that'll help

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whole other separate question -- due to faenor nuggets I know have many earrings and pectorals and footflowers, and was just wondering if there was any pre-set list of nouns for such items?

opal sedge
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Can you use a oblivion quartz or a doomstone in an alteration for jewelry?

coral aspen
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No

tulip wing
coral aspen
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ALTER 43 specifically addresses this: Rift gems with special properties are not suitable for alterations (doomstones, Eye-of-Koar emeralds, firemote orbs, oblivion quartz, midnight blue riftstones, shadowglass orbs).

opal sedge
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😦

tulip wing
# opal sedge 😦

Maybe try using them on a "gem" side of an item with sides? Not sure if they get blocked or not, but might be an option for you if it works.

lament aspen
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They should be but don't think they are

opal sedge
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a pair of gold-webbed red obsidian earrings dangling chained figures contorted in macabre fashion
I need these

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trail geode
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some rift gems are blocked from veolas due to not being "gems", some are blocked due to being special, some I am pretty sure work

brittle coral
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Is it me or does that look like crystalline lungs?

onyx wing
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Not just you.

opal sedge
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I've themed my good enhancives to be the trapped souls of adventurers

frigid grove
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::writes down "crystalline lungs" on alteration ideas doc::

upbeat pendant
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armor needs to be specifically named as its type (or one of the approved nouns) yeah? What if I found an old feeder "coat" that is full leather.. if I made any alteration I would have to change it to full leather, "coat" couldnt be grandfathered in?

tulip wing
upbeat pendant
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yeah I just found some feeder armors like bodysuits and coats and things, wasnt sure how it went

tulip wing
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Just to provide some context on that, I have a suit of moonlight veniom armor that also inspects as being made of veniom. Combat gear cannot be made of veniom, so despite a reasonable alteration request to the item, the merchant was uncomfortable with keeping it "veniom armor" thus declined to work on it.

upbeat pendant
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yeah, I get that, makes sense.. in my case its really just the noun specifically, no other oddities. guess we will find out!

worn mica
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Anyone up for helping me create a custom Sware for Opalina?

opal sedge
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Igges shows you a pair of gold-webbed red obsidian earrings dangling contorted macabre figures, which he is holding in his right hand. Upon closer inspection, the earrings reveal a striking contrast of elegance and horror. The cardinal-hued obsidian shards ripple with an otherworldly sheen, alternating smooth planes with jagged edges. Thin lines of gold trace along the ridges, forming a gilded web. Dangling from the shards are contorted figures bound by fine gold chains, writhing in silent agony, locked in the earrings' dark embrace. The earrings exude sinister beauty, combining luxurious craftsmanship with an ominous aura.
Got a show for my earrings too.

lament aspen
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Just like the picture!

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Your design or Igges?

opal sedge
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Mine

lament aspen
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Very nice!

opal sedge
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So for an ez script would this be possible?

You reach up to brush your hair back from your face, fingers grazing the [gold-webbed red obsidian earrings]. As your hand touches the earrings, the contorted figures dangling from them writhe violently, and for a brief moment, you hear their tortured shrieks echo faintly in your ears.

3rd Person (Room view):
[Player] brushes her hair back from her face, her fingers brushing against the [gold-webbed red obsidian earrings]. The small, contorted figures dangling from the earrings suddenly writhe in agony, and the air is filled with faint, distant shrieks of pain.

Hidden View (if applicable):
A faint, distant shriek echoes through the air.```
lament aspen
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Maybe not exact but with some tweaks! I wouldn't refer to hair, because it doesn't check to confirm you have any. But you could whip your head around violently for the same effect.

You also can't indicate that anything is alive, but in this our Year of Clockworke Devices if you add articulated in there it might work.

opal sedge
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Gotcha, ty

worn mica
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Would something like this be possible for a sware for Opalina?


3rd person: Opalina curses under her breath, her eyes narrowing as ghostly heads swirl briefly behind her, their whispers echoing with disdain. 

Targeted 1st: You curse at (target), eyes narrowing as ghostly heads swirl angrily behind you, their whispers haunting your words. Targeted 

3rd: Opalina curses at (target), eyes narrowing as ghostly heads swirl angrily behind her, their whispers haunting her words.
flat matrix
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No -- the targeted is "You swear at (target), (-ing version of verb) (curse)

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So...."You swear at (target), cursing under your breath..." so you have to make sure whatever you append after the verb works with that targeted component, and that's tricky sometimes

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you also can't use pronouns in the (swear component)

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--No use of his/her
--The verb must remain the same for all three (1st, 3rd and targeted 1st/3rd)
--The substance of the swear must remain the same. 

This will make sense when applied to the example below:
1st person: glower
3rd person: glowers
targeted: glowering
Substance of swear: while muttering something indecipherable and twitching violently with anger.

Examples utilizing the above:
1st person: You glower while muttering something indecipherable and twitching violently with anger.
3rd person: Cinderr glowers while muttering something indecipherable and twitching violently with anger.
Targeted 1st: You swear at (target), glowering while muttering something indecipherable and twitching violently with anger.
Targeted 3rd: Cinderr swears at (target), glowering while muttering something indecipherable and twitching violently with anger.

See how the substance of the verb doesn't change, just gets slapped on after the verb? And how it doesn't use his/her at all? All custom swears must follow in this format. Also, for the targeted version, it will always start with "You/Person swears at (target)," followed by the targeted version of the verb and the substance.  If you need help tweaking a current idea to fit within this guideline, that's what we're here for!```
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It's usually having commas in the "substance of swear" that trips people up because the targeted one will then be double-commasized, and that won't work

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You (curse) quietly before muttering something about ghostly heads.
Opalina (curses) quietly before muttering something about ghostly heads.
You swear at (target), (cursing) quietly before muttering something about ghostly heads.

That's something that would work....because it doesn't use pronouns, and the comma problem is solved by doing the "before" to link instead (note -- AND would not work as link because "muttering" would need to be "mutter" in the untargeted version).

This also removes the magical/mystical bit from it, because a swear is...just a swear.

Also, this is a sample only! Just showing you how it might work.

The GM you are working with to design one will be more than happy to work with you, but these are the sorts of tweaks they will need to make.

worn mica
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Ooo Thank you so much. Its the first one I've ever worked with at all so these details are fantastic.

flat matrix
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I tend to include all of that in my delayed service mails just to help with the process

worn mica
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So maybe something along these lines?

You curse under your breath, muttering something about horrors worse than floating heads.

3rd person:
Opalina curses under her breath, muttering something about horrors worse than floating heads.

Targeted 1st person:
You swear at (target), cursing under your breath while muttering something about horrors worse than floating heads.

Targeted 3rd person:
Opalina swears at (target), cursing under her breath while muttering something about horrors worse than floating heads.```
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I think that's very close to what you had up top

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(I don't think there's much worse than the scary floating heads they are not happy with Opalina at all so for her to say someone is worse woah.. just sayin that's pretty sware worthy) its either that or burnt tarts. which is the other direction Im leaning toward.

flat matrix
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It's actually not because of a few things I pointed out already -- it uses pronouns (you, her) in the substance, and the substance does not match version to version (your untargetted is different than your targetted).

wheat remnant
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With the property bugs, do they have to make sense for my location or can I get some Maelshyvenne ghostwings, for example?

brittle coral
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They havea to make sense for your location.

opal sedge
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Where can I find more detailed information on the colors in the sky of Naidem's neighborhoods and how they affect Auroralaen? I saw a bit on the wiki in regard to winterbriar and the orchard and walked around in game looking at the skies but they were the same

stiff rose
opal sedge
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Thanks

tulip sorrel
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What nouns are acceptable for a greathelm?

opal sedge
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Crafted from starveil, this hourglass-shaped barrette shifts from shades of pale sky blue to deep midnight.  Scattered across its surface are tiny star-shaped occlusions resembling grains of sand trapped in timeless stasis.  The barrette's faint iridescence enhances its ethereal beauty as light shifts across its surface, giving the impression of the twinkle of distant stars in an eternal night sky.```

```a macabre robed figure earring bound within a dark-spoked crystalline wheel

Upon close inspection, a robed figure earring reveals a dark, crystalline wheel with twelve delicate spokes radiating from a heart of pure blackness.  Bound within the spokes is a desiccated, robed figure, its twisted form locked in eternal agony, decayed beyond recognition.  Silvery motes dance along the wheel's slender rim, their light casting eerie reflections across the figure's macabre visage, creating an unsettling blend of decay and shimmering beauty.```

Got some good shows today 🙂
frigid grove
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Nice work

tulip wing
# tulip sorrel What nouns are acceptable for a greathelm?

From experience, the noun of a helm that coveres both head and neck can be any noun acceptable for a helmet (I have a couple where the neck coverage is described in a show as being an affixed gorget or mesh coif/aventail). However, only a helm with neck coverage can use the "greathelm" noun. I've been told (by merchants) that "warhelm" is no longer allowed (even though it still shows up on the allowed noun list).

tulip sorrel
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Thank you.

bright dome
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Looking for a good way to describe a half black, half white cloak (like the cookie)

timber fiber
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a split-colored <fabric> cloak of jet black and bright white

feral dragon
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a half-moon cloak

bright dome
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I think it would have to be done in the show...unless there is a Twain amongst us?

timber fiber
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a dichromatic <fabric> cloak in contrasting halves of black and white

bright dome
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dichromatic is latin for two-toned?

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hehe

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thanks, super helpful

golden tusk
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"parti-colored" or "particolored" was the term used for the medieval style of clothing that was half and half.

tacit ermine
grim kelp
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I was looking through websites for shades of purple, and I had to sigh audibly when I got to "Fedex Purple", "University of Central Arkansas Purple", and "Purple 4". Might be worth the bolt if I ask for one of them tonight, though... 😇

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(I'm just kidding, of course I won't do that.)

slender epoch
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Fedex Purple joins Gooseturd Green on the list of unacceptable color choices.

upbeat pendant
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I asked before but dont think I saw an answer.. is there a set list of jewelry nouns (specifically for say rings (ring, band...?, earrings( earring, earcuff...? )? I have a lot of plain things from DR hehe

modest matrix
modest matrix
tulip sorrel
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Are there any materials considered water proof or such other than maybe plumille?

remote badge
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wylten, one of the new wools, is waterproof

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Wylten: Naturally waterproof, this wool is obtained by sheep outside of Temple Wyneb

trail geode
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I would expect oilcloth to be waterproof

tulip sorrel
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I was educated that oilcloth is infact not an oil soaked rag.

quick trout
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Can an accent of zorchar be added to jewelry, or is that material disallowed due to its inherent lightning-flare nature?

modest matrix
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What's the best way to say loafers without someone telling me no

brittle coral
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Shoes

supple minnow
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Brogues?

brittle coral
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slackers?

modest matrix
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Can we use slackers?

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I like brogues but I want something more casual. I feel like we're always dressed for like, rugged outdoor activities. I want shoes that say I don't work hard.

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I'm considering slippers but they seem too feminine

boreal saffron
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I've been wanting to make monk-strapped shoes for a bit! Maybe that would work, though that is more an adjective than a noun spot.

slender epoch
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I enjoy moccasins myself

low veldt
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Here’s an odd question. Would I be able to use the aranthium in the wands generated by my endless wand harness as alter fodder? (Obviously I wouldn’t want to use the harness itself). The wands last for 4 hours. I don’t see anything specific with the inspect or analyze on the wands to suggest they couldn’t be used, but I’ve never considered using a “temporary” item as fodder

grim kelp
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That would be awesome, except it would be a way to get an endless supply of the material.

low veldt
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Only one every four hours! And don’t even try asking me to borrow one 🙂

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I suppose if that wouldn’t be acceptable, could I use aranthium-bloom gems from the Hinterwilds? The idea is to use it on a jewelry-type item that I have

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But I don’t want to use the aranthium in gem form. Want to turn it into small metallic gears

tidal trench
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Jerusalem cruisers 😆

brittle coral
brittle coral
quick trout
brittle coral
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Apologies, I missed it.

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I think with the current ruling, those metals can be added as accents to jewelry. I remember joking that shirts with drakar buttons would always have scorch marks and zorchar buttons would cause everyone's hair to stand on end, but since the flaring is random and not always active it is allowed. That being said, yes, I'd bring fodder.

tulip sorrel
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Does Wylten require alter fodder?

brittle coral
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I think its just regular wool. One second.

flat matrix
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It does not

tulip sorrel
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thank you

brittle coral
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The only restricted wools from the Rolton Document are: Material Availability Restricted Use: Ataela - fodder required, noun can be ataela or cloudsilk Qiviut - fodder required Open Use: All others

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So you are good.

brittle coral
tulip sorrel
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oh awesome, wierd I didn't notice that page before.

brittle coral
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I think I made it last year? Maybe?

verbal swan
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That's one of my main GS bookmarks. 🤣

supple minnow
brittle coral
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This is also true!

lime jungle
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The Rolton Document sounds like the title of the first live action Gemstone movie.

brittle coral
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heh

upbeat pendant
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has anyone done/seen locus alters? Just curious on ideas/rules/limitations in general (other than the written "the noun must be locus"

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AI gens are failing me here.. though this looks like a fun board game. GILDED LOCUS by Milton Bradley

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upbeat pendant
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a star-cut crystal locus encased in concentric rings of blackened iron Igges hooked me up 😎

tulip sorrel
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a dread-infused/ material/ weapon Does this work?

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a dread-infused ghezyte long bow with briar-etched limbs

trail geode
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I think it might be difficult to get "dread-infused" because it is hard to understand how one could visually observe that

tulip sorrel
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The idea being it describes the aura provided by 730 and 330! while the weapon radiates an aura of both terror and divine purity.

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But yeah that's why I was asking.

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A strange necrotic haze radiates from the bow. A strong aura of holy light radiates from the bow.

upbeat pendant
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Yeah probably have to make it more tied to the look, as someone could say "well Im a toughguy that doesnt instill dread in me"

tulip sorrel
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I mean i would think you can tell something is evil without being scared of it.

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But yeah I can see the other side.

upbeat pendant
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I get that, I dont think dread is the right word for it though (I couldnt tell you what would be but it'll feel right when ya get it)

trail geode
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actually you are the first person I have seen make the case that the look of the item says it's glowing like crazy from all the player services so I should be able to put that in the short, arguably brilliant

tulip sorrel
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Unfortunately, the briar script overwrites the look showing you the auras 😢

finite rover
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Do UCS items have the same material restrictions as regular weapons/shields/armor... Namely ALTER 40. Like if I appraise a pair of UCS gloves and their made mostly of leather, they have to stay mostly leather, yes?

tulip sorrel
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Pretty sure yes. Like on mine I put metal over the knuckles but it remained a leather glove

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Ok I got a hard no on dread-infused. Hmm how about dichotomous

trail geode
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there was a post here recently about "how do I say both X and Y color" and people suggested particolored and dichromatic

tulip sorrel
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Ah yeah I did see that, and it's pretty similar. I think that works. I just want it to say holy and unholy, or good and evil, or whatever at the same time

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Which is why I thought dread was perfect. People dread both things 😂

trail geode
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a morally grey long bow

modest matrix
tulip sorrel
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oh a paradoxical ghezyte long bow or is that too new? You know because it's metal and a bow...

trail geode
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although it isn't like explicitly in the alter rules I would avoid emphasizing in your proposed alteration that your item does not make logical sense and should not exist

tulip sorrel
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I suppose

opal urchin
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I am/was a bit surprised to find that the word Bonsai is not QC approved.

boreal saffron
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That is kinda weird.

long niche
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I put it in for review. There's just no instances of it except one in 2007. 🙂

opal urchin
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Interesting. I get why it could go either way.

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Why I’m here, it would be neat to have a bonsai script, like painting, where you could master it.

opal urchin
tulip wing
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Hoping to get some clarification on black alloy. Had a merchant today state that it was on the list of materials not allowed for alters even with fodder. To my knowledge this has never been the case, so maybe something new? If it is, that works, but my instinct would be to ask another merchant about it doing the work.

However, yesterday when I provided a list of prepared potential ideas for an custom, I inadvertently left one idea in that list which had been turned down awhile back by a merchant with explanation as to why. I was reprimanded for doing so and told that was "merchant shopping" and that it was against policy. So... given the ambiguity of what can and cannot be done, and how so often what's listed in official documentation both in game and in the wiki seems to not comply in practice, and now being informed asking another merchant if they can do it would be against policy, I'm not sure how to proceed without some sort of clarification from staff.

I really am grateful for all the hard work, and all the opportunities, and I do my very best to be respectful, but sometimes it feels a bit like intentional ambiguity across the board utilized in such a way that isn't applied the same to all players, and pursuing options "in-game" seems to make GMs upset. Don't want to break the rules. Don't want to have someone upset. But would like to know if I need to shift gears, and this is the only way I can think to ask without potentially breaking the rules.

brittle coral
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I'm sorry to hear that you had a hard time w. a merchant. I can share with you the alter fodder link that may help you. Please keep in mind that there are so very many materials and unique things in Elanthia that we do our best to keep up on it. Here is that list for alter fodder: https://gswiki.play.net/Alter_fodder If you were attempting to get a weapon, armor, or armament changed into black alloy, then that would not be allowed as it does require a transmute from Duskruin. However, cosmetic accents should be okay and even jewelry. There are som caveats though. With some of these metals, you need to have actual alter fodder for them and not something that is an 'ore' from DR or a piece of jewelry created by the Mini-Smelter as that simply isn't allowed. I hope this helps.

tulip wing
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Correct, changing weapons/armor/accessories/shields I've done all with transmutes at DR. This is reguarding only non-combat gear.

Just to clarify on the black alloy, because it's a pretty good example of the line of concepts I've been working on in the past and had plans for moving forward, this was this particular concept:

I have a pair of non-combat fluff gauntlets that have black alloy scales on them. I was attempting to use the IACL fluff gauntlets I bought at EG to alter those to appear to be the same item (but with the option for the "worn" descriptions) by providing the identical original fluff black alloy gauntlets as fodder to alter the IACL fluff gauntlets.

Would that be in the realm of something allowed? I understand particular merchants have their own style and services, but it seems that the intention from the conversation with the GM about "merchant shopping" is to be that when a merchant says "no" that's the final word for all time. I've been told it's on the "no use for alter" list now... so pursuing it farther now becomes an issue. Hopefully the conundrum, and purpose of me following up here on Discord, is apparent? 🤷‍♂️

tulip wing
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And, to reiterate, this post is just seeking clarification on black alloy specifically (not questioning the rules or perspectives) and explaining why I'm seeking clarification here. If the rules have changed for black alloy, I'm fine with that. It's like I told the merchant I asked about doing the black alloy alter today: if that's the case, then I'll just have to hope for a script-swap merchant to move the IACL script over to the existing gauntlets sometime in the future. I had plenty of other unrelated ideas prepped and ready to go and got some really neat and fantastic work done. I appreciate it! Thanks!

warm steppe
# tulip wing Correct, changing weapons/armor/accessories/shields I've done all with transmute...

hey there Myharl. you'll see that alter 44 has some specific rules about "black alloy" and it being in the reserved list of materials. what this means is that an existing item with black alloy in its description can retain it, but adding it without specific alter fodder is not possible. The non-combat fluff gloves with black alloy scales may be primarily made of leather or cloth, so would not qualify as alter fodder for that. Just because an item has a material in its description does not automatically include it as viable alter fodder. While I was not the merchant you interacted with, and don't know all the particulars in the moment, I can say that there are some surface issues that I already am spotting with the request just from what was mentioned here in Discord.

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If you want some help otherwise, I am sure people are willing to answer questions here

tulip wing
# warm steppe hey there Myharl. you'll see that alter 44 has some specific rules about "black...

Ah! There we go! That makes sense and clarifies it for me. While I do have black alloy fodder I could have and can use in the future, the original black alloy gauntlets inspect as metal. So, I bet the underlying issue was with that item rather than with creating an item with black alloy in it. Yeah, that makes a huge difference in perspective and is a great nudge to verify. Now I feel better about moving forward with working towards completing my black alloy set with merchants and not worry about upsetting anyone with the request or breaking any rules. Thank you!

modest matrix
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I wish we could go back to the system of "give the word" "get the word back". All of this "required very specific type of alter fodder" makes things way more frustrating.

tulip wing
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As a lingering afterthought, it does make me realize how useful having a cert that can be used to add IACL functionality to an existing item might be. Could be a certificate for each relevant item type/worn location. Feels like something that would nestle right in with the Rumor Woods theme. 🙂

If it could be made into a flourish, it would also be neat to see the concept applied to armor and armor accessories.

modest matrix
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I'd love a pair of ... scissors? that added IACL just like the jeweler's pliers which add Look at Me.

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Also some type of item that removes scripts from clothing/jewelry so we can remove and apply the scripts we like.

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Or like, a dabbler for clothing in each clothing shop in various towns.

lament aspen
tulip wing
lament aspen
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I did not even check, I just presumed I knew the biggies!

warm steppe
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but the hats are soooo cool

tulip wing
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Since it wasn't mentioned on the alter fodder page in the wiki, I created a very short section at the bottom of the page regarding "Restricted Materials" with a reference to ALTER 44. Seemed like a really good spot to put it on people's radar. Thanks!

rotund inlet
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i think it does not, but just to make sure...does zhiqietz require fodder?

supple minnow
rotund inlet
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thank you for confirming! 💜

frigid grove
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Is merchant shopping really "against policy?" I thought it was just considered slightly sketchy

lime jungle
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It is documented as such with Sadie at least.

tulip wing
# frigid grove Is merchant shopping really "against policy?" I thought it was just considered s...

It's vaguely been suggested as so. And, that still leaves a lot of ambiguity as to what constitutes the suggested offense. I have issues with a lot of those perspectives and some of the weird power dynamics involved, but that's here nor there. Rules are rules. Ultimately, I just want to play the game, tell a story, and have fun. Most days that's totally the case and why I stick around, but some days you wake up with your coffee to get blasted for suggesting a potential color that's been denied in the past. 🤷‍♂️ That was my bad.

trail geode
# frigid grove Is merchant shopping really "against policy?" I thought it was just considered s...

I mean I think this is one of those things where it’s a judgment call. It should be obvious why they don’t want people to go from merchant to merchant asking for the same alteration they were already told is not allowed until they find somebody who didn’t get enough sleep the night before. But obviously there are also situations like Myharl’s where sometimes there is just a disconnect or maybe a GM doesn’t want to work on something without it being like “this is obviously against alteration rules and always will be.”

brittle coral
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I think there's probably a fine line in what is considered merchant shopping and it might get a bit confusing. "No, I'm sorry, but from a standards, policy, and practice perspective, I can't do this alteration for you." Is pretty clearly a denial. Whereas "This isn't something I can provide or do for you." Is ambiguous. We could certainly be clearer in our communication. I know I try to provide a verbatim copy from the player wiki of why something is denied but even with that as my method, there are plenty of times during the mad crush of EG that I forget.

warm steppe
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We do expect players to familiarize themself with alter rules to some extent, and if someone blatantly disregards them ad nauseam then we may need to step in to halt that behavior.

modest matrix
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alter

36 pages later ...

boreal saffron
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I get the no merchant shopping rule, and I understand it. I hate to tack a 'but' on here, but sometimes a merchant or Sadie is so blatantly WRONG about a rule, that it makes you roll your eyes and go to someone else. Chalk it up to sleep deprivation during a long merchant session, or just misinterpretation, I guess. It's annoying to feel vaguely bad for finding someone else - especially when you are citing a specific policy to say why their hardline stance is incorrect. (shrug) If it's the RP of the merchant, that's one thing, if the GM is being stubborn over documentation, I prefer to take my item back and move on to save myself stress. I don't want to get into an altercation over a text item.

modest matrix
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I've learned it's best not to argue, take your item back, give them something different, and ask someone else.

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Funny enough the only time I was scolded was by Kynlee ❤️ and it was over a black alloy item.

vapid quail
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Never mind you all questioning me, sometimes I am wrong and it prompts me to ask about it. Sometimes it’s ok and sometimes not. Y’all ask for items in grey areas a lot

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10/10 we are communicating with a qcer. And when it’s a def no, it’s a def no

boreal saffron
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Not questioning you, in particular, in my part. Simply stating that it's not worth debating with a live merchant when everyone else wants work done as well. Also, that mistakes get made on both the GM and customer end. Not sure what to make of grey areas that are not outlined by policy, but a QC'ers word would be law. There have simply been too many instances of a GM making a hard stance, then being completely wrong to take anything but what is explicitly written in policy as fact, because GMs have made hardline stances and then been completely off in their judgement.

It's on my mind, in particular, because I've had to publicly point to a policy about some shorts I had from an old event that I was refused on both by a merchant and Sadie. Clearly, it's written those could be worked on. There are other instances of such things. I wish I could say I don't get annoyed and snark a bit when it happens, and I try to work on that and give grace. Maybe QC guidelines should be posted if they differ from ALTER.

tulip wing
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Yeah, same here. I don't think I've ever argued with a merchant. I can think of a few times I've asked for a quick clarification, but usually that's because I have several other item concepts prepared that might be in conflict as a result. I can imagine how frustrating it would be to be working for a group and the have someone become belligerent. For my part, I'm never trying to "get away" with something, but I may be trying to find a way to realize a vision. I'll take a "no" as a "no" and go back to try re-work and try a different angle.

There have been more than a few times that, after the fact, I've poked around for better clarification from staff and/or questioning a specific policy that I felt was problematic (forums, discord, etc.), but I try to be respectful and careful in those instances not to call anyone out. I'm much more likely to walk away from a spot in a line with a, "Thank you for your time, but I'll pass." (if I fear taking up too much time, and will need more time to repair/prepare the idea) than I am to push back with something I've been declined on. I think it's about respect and acknowledging that everyone there wants to get work done. I'm not going to utilize "merchant time" in debate.

worn mica
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My experiance thus far has been pleasant and wonderful OVERALL There are a few merchants we are roleplay a little less friendly than others and Im okay with that, don't matter to me none at all. The folks I've worked with have been pretty straightforward and helpful and kind if they couldn't do something But then I guess Im not being overly picky either. just grateful for the time.

tulip wing
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Absolutely, overall it's been a brilliantly fun festival and I'm having tons of fun. Awesome company, new friends, picked up origami and already an Adept, hours of fishing, Arena runs, won a game, fun games of GHOUL, and so many merchants!

lime jungle
tulip wing
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You might! I had bought a kit there, but never trained past 50 folds (I think it was, the initial level) because I didn't realize you needed certificates to keep going up in skill. Got all the skill certs now, and every EG pattern on paper. 😄 Then spent time folding between arena runs and fishing.

flat matrix
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I think you can learn at EG too? Ugh, I should know this. lol

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But I think we decided EG and RW were the initial learn it things

tulip wing
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Yeah, I know you can train at EG, because I have a couple times, so would make sense you could start too.

flat matrix
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Yeah, ASK MASTER ABOUT LEARN should do it

lime jungle
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Well I'm glad that came up

lime jungle
#

Is the origami hut.. missing?

#

Room # won't work and the hut doesn't seem to be in the outdoor room # from the wiki.

coral aspen
verbal swan
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the origami shop is baba yaga's hut.

coral aspen
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The room number is meant to give general idea of location

lime jungle
lime jungle
#

Fun fact, you can both fold and unfold origami in the shadows.

neon spindle
#

is a war maul something available to be made now or? ive seen multiple people with them lately..

lament aspen
warm steppe
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you've seen war mauls?

neon spindle
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i have..

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warmaul, and war maul(s)

warm steppe
#

neither of which are allowed, so I'm not sure why they would exist.

neon spindle
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theyre probably beyond old.. but ya know, everyone from every town is around in 1 place now, so im seeing new stuff

warm steppe
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😦

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maybe old, yeah

tulip wing
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Late 90's it was this weird fashion trend in Elanthia where "war" got appended to everything. Warcloaks, warpacks, warkilts... It was a different time. 🤣

upbeat pendant
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glances at his collection of warstaves

warm steppe
#

warstaff is a valid noun for a quarterstaff, even by today's standards

upbeat pendant
#

indeed, one of those ten twisted raffles went to one 🫣

bright dome
#

Can someone help me with the wording for this idea? I want to turn my wiregrass anklet Ranger trinket into a broken shackle with a bit of the chain still attached. Something that makes it obvious that the wearer recently escaped from jail.

tulip sorrel
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and it must retain its plant-based composition.

bright dome
#

oh, i see. thanks

tulip wing
#

As mentioned, those have to remain plant-based, but if that's a part of your backstory you want to lean into, you might be able to get something similar done with a bracelet rather than the anklet.
Brainstorming:

* a rust-touched iron shackle with a broken chain
* a battered iron manacle dangling a short length of chain```
golden tusk
slender epoch
tulip wing
golden tusk
slender epoch
golden tusk
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The first alteration i ever bought in the game was a pimp cloak... it was a big fur cloak dusted with rubies. LOLOLOLOL! I resold that bad boy for double what i paid for it! 😂

neon spindle
grim kelp
clever junco
#

Oh we want to talk about the worst things? I used to collect some of these:

moonlight hair ribbons that weave through her silver tresses to create a delicate shimmer

neon spindle
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i need this as my custom tackle lol

tulip wing
neon spindle
tulip wing
austere forum
#

Beyond simple GALD stuff, I'm an alteration noob. I won a greater EZ script thing. I've read the wiki article for EZ scripts. Are there any other resources I should read, or examples of what sort of fun things people have done with EZ scripts?

timber fiber
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I'm happy to share some of mine with you. Just DM me if you're interested

wintry turtle
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I'm more than happy to help as well if you'd like some other examples. I tend to incorporate mine into verbs, so they are essentially triggers for a wider action. For instance, I have a set of bangles with a KISS EZscript trap that lets me blow a kiss and incidentally mentions the bangles on my character's wrist in the action.

#

Other people use verbs that relate more specifically to the item, which is also a great way to use your win.

austere forum
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Very clever advice, thank you! I guess the elven armor BOW trap does the same sort of thing.

verbal swan
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There's also a thread with some examples!

gloomy ibex
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you could make a pet rock, add all 5 verbs - stay, lay down, sit, sleep, beg... Its a pet rock, it just sits there "Good boy"

lament aspen
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You could add it to the pet geode gargoyles

slender epoch
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You could add it to the dead pets

lament aspen
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There's been a few "pet rock" scripts over the years

verbal swan
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I love the geode gargoyles idea! I have some all of those!

#

(I actually have a gameobj-data category just for those, except it's called Popples!)

warm steppe
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Dead Pets should be a punk rock band.

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nevermind they already are

slender epoch
#

Was about to say…

boreal saffron
gloomy ibex
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yer a monster

#

drag yer pet... oh wait he likes it

frigid grove
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Do any of the various automated customization systems that were recently rolled out in several towns work on gem-inators and the like? I sadly discovered they can't be dyed. I have some duplicates and would like to be able to tell them apart without wasting GALD

warm steppe
frigid grove
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Yeah after the dye discovery I figured that might be the case

tulip sorrel
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If you're describing a pair of dice, could this work?
some <adjective> / <adjective> / noun / with <adjective> <noun>s at their cores

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Can't use fodder with sadie anyways hmm.

vestal glade
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perhaps you folks could give me some pointers with a couple items I have. I am trying to alter a set of mana leather armor to match the look of an existing set of armor. The old armor is short: emerald green leather, with I believe a long: some form-fitting emerald green leather with black runes encircling the low cut bodice. Would the script have any impact on the ability to make this change? Is there a more efficient way to write this up so it makes sense to the poor GM who has to deal with it?

brittle coral
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Your leather armor has a low-cut bodice?

vestal glade
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so it would seem

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I'm doing this for a friend, and this is what her armor looked like and wants her new armor to match.

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I prefer my bodices to be navel deep to show off my concave chest and lack of muscle tone.

onyx wing
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concave chests are perfect to snuggle in.

vestal glade
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what can I say, I'm a people pleaser.

#

however, back to the task at hand

#

`The creator has also provided the following information:

This is tier 0 Mana-Infused Armor.

Tier
0: a standard leathers with some special messaging

Unlocked verbs: bow, clean, cover, fidget, infuse, knock, touch, turn, wave

The leathers can have the color and adjective of its energy/light customized with a descriptive word or phrase. Various messaging will include these custom settings.

The current setting is:
color: (Unset, will default to milky white - your eye color.)
adjective: (Unset, will default to a value based upon your magical lore training)
phrase: (Unset, will default to a value based upon your magical lore training)
The phrase should also be prefixed with the adjective.

Customization should remain simple, nothing so complex as to require a comma.
Examples of functional customization choices:
colors: red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet
adjective: crackling, nebulous, wraithlike, translucent
phrase: crackling tendrils of elemental, nebulous tendrils of spiritual, wraithlike tendrils of sorcerous, translucent tendrils of psychic
In each case, these words/phrases will be placed in front of words like "energy" and "light". Try to keep it to five words or less.`

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This is an analyze for a set of mana armor, not the particular ones she is wearing

warm steppe
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I think the question was more about that armor shouldn't have a bodice built-in to its description.

vestal glade
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hmm, illegal alter?

warm steppe
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yes, we don't "add" items to other items

#

obviously certain things would be part of an armor's construction, but a bodice is not part of leather armor

vestal glade
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what's amusing is she is wearing a bodice separately as well, she's a little weird.

warm steppe
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that is why we don't do it

vestal glade
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more bodice per bodice

warm steppe
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I am just saying that any alterer who touches that will probably fix it

#

so keep that in mind

vestal glade
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ok, I think I may have to just sell her on the new armor then. It's lightyears better and seems to fit with the intent

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and she can hang it in her locker and chortle to herself about having ample chest coverage.

stoic sparrow
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This is part of why robes are the superior armor choice, since they can be altered to be basically anything made out of cloth and worn on the torso. Plus, aganjira as an available material!

stiff rose
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For what it's worth, the way I read those leathers was that the bodice part of it (ie, the chest part) is what is low cut on the leathers, not that it is an extra bodice or anything. That's just describing where on the leathers it's extra sexy.

fleet cloud
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Jus checkin if'n dis issa legit one... wanna turn a pale-feathered chicken into a floppy rubber chicken! 🐣

#

(it's a stuffimal)

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(I already know dat gittin it to bounce into da room issa non-starter!)

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(A floppy-rubber chicken pecks uselessly at Chamorr's ankles!)

#

We already name'd it, Lil Chamorr. 😉

red patio
#

Dont ferget to ask about knee guards for them knee thieves

onyx wing
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there's been some rubber items (for the dancing canes, specifically) made, so I don't see why a floppy rubber chicken wouldn't be possible. No hyphens are needed, though

slender epoch
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I’ve got a “rubbery” setting on my bugs2lures jig though.

onyx wing
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a plucked chicken-skin chicken, then.

tulip wing
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Rubber has been in use for thousands of years. I'm not sure why it would be considered out of genre.

onyx wing
#

Many early uses of rubber date back to ancient civilizations, such as the Mayans and Aztecs, who figured out how to shape rubber into common-use items, such as toys. The material finally gained popularity in Europe when westernization took off in the 15th and 16th centuries.

tulip wing
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Yep. The dawn of industrialization introduced the modern context with it's varied uses, but it was around, known, and used.

#

But then again, there's a lot of weird QC calls that I don't understand, so who knows. Sort of like the decision to flag quicksilver... which has been known and used for thousands of years, has etymology rooted in the Old English "cwicseolfor" meaning "living silver", and was an integral part of early alchemical mythologies, particularly in western medieval alchemy with the search of the philosopher's stone, transmuting lead to gold, and seeking the "elixir of life". It's probably one of the most "on theme" materials regarding western-centric magic/myth/alchemy, but got the boot. 🤷‍♂️ I think a lot of those decisions maybe end up just being arbitrary and individually subjective, just have to roll with it, I suppose.

golden tusk
tulip wing
golden tusk
tulip wing
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Perhaps I'm being facetious just a tad, but also making a potentially serious suggestion: Try requesting it as a DR shop item? For decades pocket watches were "out of genre" until you could buy them OTS with microtransaction currency. You know the old saying. 💰 💬

golden tusk
tulip wing
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I get it. Though, I mean, technically you wouldn't have to. Bloodscrip is transferable and there's a secondary player market. Top hats seem like they'd make a really good companion item to pocket watches; could even be gear-powered steampunk top hats. 🙂 Those gnomes have a trendy fashion sense to go with their ingenuity!

warm steppe
#

The first pocket watch was invented by a German watchmaker named Peter Henlein in 1510
It is widely reported that the inventor of the top hat was a haberdasher by the name of John Hetherington, who in 1797 walked the streets of London in his new invention and caused a riot. There's a big difference in time periods there.

#

but it is funny that a top hat caused a riot

#

people back then must have been really bored.

golden tusk
#

I will continue to fight the good fight just because it's so absurd.

warm steppe
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when the lines of reality are broken, we can make the rules whatever we want. muhahaha.

#

I have no say in what gets approved by QC though, so feel free to continue your campaign

golden tusk
#

Oh believe me, I shall. 🤣

#

::starts painting some signs::

tulip wing
#

I mean, that's fair, but you know powered airships didn't exist until 1852, and those are pretty integral to Elanthian lore. At the end of the day, it's the call of staff what is and isn't "in genre", but it's not as cut and dry as staff tries to often present it to players being creative.

warm steppe
#

I have no horse in the race, other than following the rules.

golden tusk
#

Rules are meant to be broken.

#

So the saying goes!

bleak nebula
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It is an unusual arbitrary line simply because this isn't a historical recreation game, it's a fantasy game. And top hats very much fit into that fantasy vibe, especially with steampunk being a yearly theme and infused into some game culture's lore.

warm steppe
golden tusk
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But why is a bustle ok but a top hat isnt? Doesnt really make any sense at all.

tulip wing
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That's a hill. And I respect it. Again, not my call. But seems like a weird slant to me.

golden tusk
#

At this point it just feels like QC says no to it because it's become a "thing" ya know?

valid cipher
#

Why can’t you people just accept the beautiful items the GMs create or the system creates !? One need not ever alter anything I say!

bleak nebula
#

Lady fashion in Gemstone gets to have a very modern vibe to it. I think the Elven coronation was even encouraged to go Victorian or Bridgerton with its aesthetic? That's right up into top hat era. I just don't understand why there is an arbitrary hard cut off for male fashion.

golden tusk
#

Creating an entire look.

#

GS Barbie is a thing.

valid cipher
#

Fashion Wars. I mean I get it. But creating a unique and amazing style from pre-created items?! That is an art form.

warm steppe
#

I mean... most of the stuff I put OTS is within strict guidelines for what can be sold OTS... I fully expect people to alter them to some extent.

valid cipher
#

I’m sorry. I’m just derailing because Aergo is ignoring us for the service rollout

golden tusk
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If we couldnt alter anything, i probably wouldnt stick around.

warm steppe
golden tusk
#

It's the creativity that keeps me here.

valid cipher
#

I’ve never altered a single thing

golden tusk
#

you might hear a snicker or two as you walk by... hahaha

tulip wing
#

The push/pull with creativity in GS I think is one that's served the games longevity. I think that friction causes a lot of creative re-thinking and re-imagining. I like it.

lament aspen
#

Just as long as you understand you're railing against the poor store clerks that have no control over it

vestal glade
#

and it's not like things are set in absolute granite. There are things in the game now that were never allowed before, and things that were allowed that are no longer. I like that about this game.

#

like a set of armor with a bodice, moments crystalized in time.

warm steppe
timber fiber
#

I don’t have a horse in this race but I did want to clarify that the recent coronation fashion was very Elizabethan/Tudor with ruffs and rich heavy fabrics.

valid cipher
bleak nebula
timber fiber
golden tusk
fleet cloud
#

Imma perty shore we kin git rubber pocket watches now!

modest matrix
wintry turtle
#

Depends on the sarah; there were some decades in European history where the ladies showed all the good china on the upper shelf even as skirts were sweeping the floor. And then there were codpieces, of course, for the gentlemen.

tacit ermine
#

There were a LOT of decades in European history where the ladies were showing off that upper shelf, especially in certain locations.
And some of it was definitely tight across various parts of the body, depending on your class and the occasion.

gloomy ibex
#

can EZ scripts be added to an item that doesn't have any zests but are functional? i.e. "a fiery crimson gloves is an Illusion Prop"?

brittle coral
#

Now that they can be a flourish, that is easier. An illusion prop is still a script, though.

gloomy ibex
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ahh cool, didn't know that specifically was a script. makes sense though. I also heard from a trashy birdy that EZscripts are able to be popped onto Deck the Halls items. man I hope this is a true statement. I will try and work on some future fun things if so.

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being a Flourish seems to make things interesting with EZscripts

tacit ermine
verbal swan
#

anyone have another term for comfort food?

vestal glade
#

In my neck of the woods it's called food for the soul.

idle bear
#

There's likely some personal subjectivity to what makes it comforting

#

Like... cheesy

#

I have on too many occasions described my day as a need cheese day

verbal swan
#

darn.

#

I was going to go with lasagna but we don't have that either.

coral aspen
#

I'm going to drop this here as I'm currently still working through the shops and updating them. These specialty designs listed here are the ones that have been updated in the wiki template to accomodate the NPCs and transclusion of there designs. The NPC wiki pages themselves are kind of clunky but the overhaul of NPCs is an RSN thing. Not all of the shops that have specialty designs are listed here yet, but it's a start and a WIP. This may not be the final form of the auto-populating list as some of that will depend on the NPC pages themselves.

It was asked about in general the other day, so I wanted to note that this was what I meant about getting the list set up so it's easier to find and navigate and won't have to be updated manually as new shops are added/updated.

https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Specialty_design_shops ( @golden tusk , I think you were the one asking about it?)

golden tusk
analog coral
feral dragon
opal urchin
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Good morning -- I was wondering if there is typically an average turn around time for QC questions re: approved/denied words? Does it generally take a few weeks, a few months, RSN? Thank you! Trying to make some plans and this will help me with timeframe to make a decision.

flat matrix
#

Assume RSN

opal urchin
#

Thank you.

gloomy ibex
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does a time worn swatch from HESS allow for a enhancive circlet to be location changed to a wrist worn item? as long as it doesnt have any other scripts?

dark flax
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Can’t give a firm yes/no until it goes into approval, but tentatively yes. It could become a bracelet worn on the wrist.

hasty berry
#

Does anyone know of any alteration restrictions for BOHs? The analyze says nothing specific, but was hoping to get confirmation before I hold up an alteration queue for it. Specifically material, clasp, and noun.

tulip sorrel
#

I had no trouble changing material.

lament aspen
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What do you mean by clasp. That side?

#

Oh BOH not DTH

tulip sorrel
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You see nothing unusual. A pair of drawstrings with a small blood crystal clasp secures the sack's opening.

# 
>close sack
You press against your treasure sack's blood crystal clasp, and the mouth of the container closes.
>open sack
You press your hand against your treasure sack's blood crystal clasp, and the mouth of the container opens.
hasty berry
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ok thanks. I'll take a stab at changing from a sack at the next merchant chance I get

hasty berry
verbal swan
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Checking mine

#

I do not know if you can alter the clasp but you can alter it so that the long doesn't have it. The script will still refer to it though.

#

Some of mine now:
a voluminous loot sack of haphazardly stitched weathered canvas
a sturdy leather sack stitched together from overlapping autumn leaf cutouts
a cream-striped emerald linen sack embroidered in scattered wind-tossed flowers
a battered cobalt suede sack secured by a whorl of tarnished silver knotwork

But they all still have the blood red crystals in the scripting.

neon spindle
#

is chain spear/chainspear acceptable for chainspears?

tulip wing
mossy mist
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I don’t think any of them are actually called “chainspear”

warm steppe
#

they are still a spear by design

vestal glade
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I use mine as a hammer... I have alot of nails in my life

frozen sierra
#

quick question. Do I need witchwood as fodder to use it in an alteration? I don't think I do, but I want to make sure as the last merchant I went to has me questioning everything now.

brittle coral
frozen sierra
brittle coral
vestal glade
#

how many times do we need to pin that particular page? ^_^

lament aspen
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We need a bot

#

Thandibot

verbal swan
brittle coral
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I didn't realize it was pinned...

vestal glade
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it's ok, we can pin it as many times as you like

lament aspen
#

In as many channels

vestal glade
neon spindle
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am i better off just redoing my scroll? i replied to a response days ago and nothing.. was quicker when it was a new request lol

verbal swan
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No. Once it's been replied to it requires participation from the GM that replied to it.

#

if it's a new scroll it can be picked up by any GM.

neon spindle
#

the gm forgot me

verbal swan
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It can take a while for the specific gm.

tidal trench
#

If you tinker with your scroll it causes all kind of craziness.

warm steppe
gritty anchor
#

Anyone know if there have been Joola shoes or otherwise multi-sided shoes?

lament aspen
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Vanah doesn't believe in non cobbled shoes so Joola is out

#

I think creative Couture might have had some unless I bullied Elysani about it

gritty anchor
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I normally don't either. 😄

#

Aha, Creative Couture did indeed have them... thanks! More things to consider. 🤔

lament aspen
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Rainbow wear had them but that's different

#

May I interest you in some cobbled shoes

gritty anchor
#

I have cobbled shoes! 🤣 Just figuring out whether I more highly value the cobbling mark and the verbs, or whether I more highly value using a rare material to alter shoes with ten sides so I get ten times the alters out of it... 🤔 🤔 🤔

rotund inlet
#

there are Joola shoes also... i have a pair. though i also wear almost solely cobbled shoes

long niche
#

And last year I suppose. 2023, not 2024.

bitter peak
#

i dont imagine you can alter a cloak to 'add' a hood

mossy mist
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You can, it just won’t be functional. There are some specific scripts that allow you to interact with a hood element, but that’s not required to have a hood

bitter peak
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hm okay. thanks!

rotund sundial
#

Hey guys. So, I won a bolt of aqilorn and as a Vaalorian, I actually want to use it for my character. I am working on something, regal, Vaalorian, high-collared, masculine... probably a cloak or longcloak. I want to ensure it's apparent it's Vaalorian and could use some thoughts on a good approach to a description and show. I've never really approached alterations from this angle of socializing the idea, but would love to get some input. I don't know if this becomes a community event, or if I just get DMs. LOL

vestal glade
#

The cloak is a masterful blend of silver and blue fabric, radiating a sense of elegance and otherworldly beauty. Its surface shimmers under the light, transitioning seamlessly between luminous silver and deep, celestial blue tones. The cloak is long and flowing, designed to drape gracefully around the wearer.

A finely crafted hood crowns the garment, offering both functionality and a touch of mystique. The edges are adorned with intricate silver embroidery, featuring swirling patterns reminiscent of constellations or ocean waves, enhancing the celestial aesthetic.

The material itself has a reflective quality, with folds and creases that catch the light, creating a dynamic and magical appearance. The balance of cool silver and rich blue evokes a sense of regality and an air of the fantastical, perfect for a figure of importance or mystery in a medieval or fantasy setting.

Change the silver for Aqilorn and you're gold..er...good to go.

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clearly there are things you can't do for the alter, like make it react to light that may or may not be there

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just have to zhuzh it up a bit

neon spindle
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kinda a random question but.. when you have something done, is it possible to request.. for my instance, what parts of the container show up when putting something in it/taking something out?

vestal glade
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not on a default container I believe. What you are describing is a property of a scripted container.

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`The herb kit is set up with mechanical-themed messaging, which cannot typically be altered.

The following descriptions may be customized by a merchant:

  • Inner lining description, in "adjective noun" form: felted wool
    This should be some form of fabric/leather.
  • Container close mechanism, in "adjective noun" form: oblong toggle
    This must end in one of the following: buckle, drawstrings, clasp, latch, toggle.
  • Extractor indicator description, in "article adjective" form: a fluted bronze
  • Extractor toggle description, in "article adjective" form: a patinaed bronze`
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for instance

neon spindle
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yeah i had a satchel made that removes a middle word when you put something in it.. just slightly eats away at me lol

vestal glade
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then that should be something you can have fixed. Could have a sadie scroll done up to take a look for you.

neon spindle
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ill probably just put it away until another merchant shows up.. dont really want to burn 300 points to fix it

vestal glade
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fair

lament aspen
vestal glade
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what she said

rotund sundial
vestal glade
rotund sundial
vestal glade
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yes

strong meteor
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So last DR I did a transmute...it was completed then. If I analyze my gambeson though I still have the stamp from DR is that normal? Or did someone forget to make it go away?

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J>anal my gam

You analyze the polychromatic gambeson and sense that the item has certain alteration restrictions. It cannot be used in alterations.

You can tell that the gambeson is as light as it can get.

You see 1 Duskruin, Phoenatos 5124 stamp upon the gambeson.

slender epoch
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I wanna say my last stamps hung out til the following DR.

rotund sundial
# vestal glade yes

Was that image created through ChatGPT or another software? Just curious because I've been looking for a converting this to imagery and seeing various available program types

vestal glade
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This was the base GPT and then modified via prompt to get the color and then style. Then tasked with a text description.

brittle coral
strong meteor
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ah cool gtk thank you

upbeat pendant
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hi all -- this is more of a though experiment I guess, I got this in the most recent feeder frenzy (subscribe to the jaraverse so we get another one hehe) and would like to put a show on it eventually, but just curious for some ideas on a fitted soot black bodysuit marred by molten glaes

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like do we think there's little hardened bits of glaes on it? how would we know it was from glaes otherwise?

lament aspen
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... molten?

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Isn't molten the hot liquidy state

upbeat pendant
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Right.. so does this bodysuit just have molten glaes on it (ouchie)? hehe

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to be clear this bodysuit exists, it is not my idea haha. Just thinking of how I would go into detail on a show

lament aspen
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Does it have magma flares

upbeat pendant
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I do have a magma token, so it could....

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hypothetically, if I added the magma flares do you think someone would be more amenable to making it.. actively molten?

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(hypothetical non binding thoughts)

upbeat pendant
tropic spoke
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I'd opt to read it as a bodysuit which bears the marks of having been damaged by molten glaes in the past, but it is a little unclear lol

trail geode
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Yes I read that as being that the bodysuit is damaged in some way that you apparently know is characteristic to molten glaes exposure

vestal glade
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ah yes, the clear indications that this bodysuit was worn in a glaes foundry, note the charred sections, and the bitter taste of the fibers. Exquisite.

lament aspen
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That makes more sense

warm steppe
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molten also has an alternative definition of "being fused by heat"

rotund inlet
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I read it like the molten gold ametrine gems… like it dried all drippy. Like candle wax.

warm steppe
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I GUESS it could read "fused" instead of "molton" for the bodysuit

upbeat pendant
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oh hmm what if it was like a spray of glaes that left the bodysuit a bit charred but also the glaes is now very small reflective droplets.. aka did I just create sequins

flat matrix
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I'm pretty sure the 90s GS-era alterations created sequins. #diamond-dusted-everything

warm steppe
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ruby-dusted, diamond-dusted, dust-dusted...

verbal swan
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don't forget the van art.

vestal glade
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Vorlash removed a diamond-dusted, ruby encrusted, dusty cloak from the depths of his locker.

slender epoch
golden tusk
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A ruby-dusted greatcloak embroidered with the image of a deadly sorcerer standing over a field of conquered warriors while lightning bolts strike down from the sky..... Let us hope we never return to such days.

vestal glade
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slowly tucks a fold of diamond-encrusted fabric behind him and backs away slowly.

opal sedge
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How much for greatcloak?

vestal glade
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I would give it to you if I had that thing kicking around in a locker.

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but only because it loses value for not having veniom, spidersilk, and spiders all over it as well.

tidal trench
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How dare you make fun of all my spidersilk accessories 😆

vestal glade
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my guy, eventually you gotta realize all them spiders will turn on you as soon as you die. They are worse than cats.

tidal trench
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But if I’m dead…

verbal swan
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Is library trunk a term that would past muster? Does anyone know?

warm steppe
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might be too modern, since the origin is in the mid 1800s and it was designed to hold a typewriter.

fleet cloud
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Bookcase. Musterd Trunk.

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(Libary Trunk n.; an appendage used for the hydration of librarians.)

warm steppe
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heh!

verbal swan
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I want a big box designed to hold my books. I have fancybooks and Gloumerick books and BookBuddies and Blacksmith companions and...

fleet cloud
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I want my floatin discs to be Terry Pratchett's "The Luggage"! 🙂

verbal swan
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that's the whistle luggage

fleet cloud
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so...ask fer a dappled navy blue mechanism in a trunk. hehe.

verbal swan
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...I don't want a typewriter! I just want a trunk to put my books in! flail

fleet cloud
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Ye kin always make da LOOK? descriptshun hold da pertinant info... alter it to sumpthin fancey den concoct a SHOW dat makes it obious dat da thing's fulla books!

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(helpful hint #78382: If'n ye dont dismiss my tomfoolery outta hand...I'll ebentually start brainstormin' witcha to become actually helpfull)

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I'd use da word 'casters' innit. (a small wheel on a swivel, set under a piece of furniture, a machine, etc., to facilitate moving it.)

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(I'd be tempted to putta hunnert "small casters" unner it...wit da hope dat sumpday I catch a non-sober GM who'll replace "casters" wit "feet"! hehehhe.)

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FYI dis kinda plan mite take a coupla alteration sesh. I got my stuffimal alter'd inside it's name limits but Imma plannin onna future alter to add a SHOW dat makes no bones about dat fact dat dis issa Rubbber Chicken!

vapid quail
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I would say no to library trunk. Describe the item. What is it made of, accents, bindings, etc.

analog coral
arctic bloom
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As I’m just seeing this now, can we get an updated list on the approved nouns for animal spirits? I know not all show on wiki. Please?

coral aspen
arctic bloom
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ok thank you. Yeah was not sure where to ask.

neon spindle
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so i seen a whaling harpoon the other day.. and got me wondering, would a fishing spear be acceptable?

tulip wing
neon spindle
tulip wing
warm steppe
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The whaling harpoon might be an auction item.

thin garden
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But the mere existence of a whaling harpoon (auction or not), implies that a fishing spear can exist... at least the logic in my head goes that way.

I would think that because a whaling harpoon was approved, via auction, it would mean that anyone could use a whaling harpoon as a noun. It just might not be as fancy as the auctioned one.

Or am I way off track there?

warm steppe
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Auction/scripted items designed with a specific description are not “the rule”

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They do not set any standards for alterations

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Because you see something in the game does not imply that alter rules change accordingly

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Re: chainspear

thin garden
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I see what you're saying, but feel like that's kind of different though, based on the mechanical differences of a chain spear.

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Timbalt, you could always just alter it into a barbed spear with rope tied to the end, heh

neon spindle
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just for reference the whaling harpoons are from a hurling bando

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which leads me to believe they were altered into that..

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just seems like its a thing.. fishing is a big part of the game, people have always(and still do) use fishing spears

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and its a chain spear.. kinda the perfect thing to allow as a "fishing spear"

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just my 2 cents..

tulip wing
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Several times I've asked for something and been told it's not doable, only to watch two weeks later another merchant make it for another character. As long as rules are arbitrary and subjective in that way, I call BS on "merchant shopping". I'm 100% on board for not arguing with a merchant when told no, but this weird thing about "my say is final" just doesn't vibe with the reality of GS. There's not a single item in the game that a GM at some point didn't make. I'm not going to feel bad about asking around for what I'd like to have, even if that means finding a cool compromise. But don't think anyone should be getting shamed for wanting something cool. Not to mention, there have been more than a few instances where GMs have been wrong about official lore/rules (they're human, it happens). The reason I think it's less than productive to ask in here is exactly because its so arbitrary. GMs don't even agree on what is or isn't allowed.

slender epoch
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Fishing may have a part in the game, but you can't use spears (or bows) in the fishing system.

neon spindle
tulip wing
# neon spindle yeah foolish me for believing stuff had progressed.. clearly hasnt

I mean, it's not even that. I actually think that's a good thing. It brings a diverse filed of creativity. If a merchant isn't comfortable doing something, they should 100% be able to say no... for whatever reason they want (and not get a ton of pushback/whining about it). But the weird lashing out at people asking around really bugs me.

golden tusk
warm steppe
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While you can try to logic around it. There are specific ways we are allowed to describe/alter things. Especially weapons which have approved nouns along with the specific Types. See daggers for an example of this

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I run into all the time when making items for shops

tulip wing
# golden tusk Heh i had a friend who had "growler" get declined then someone else got it appro...

It's really prevalent and where a lot of the impression of "favoritism" comes from for obvious reasons. Weirdly that inconsistancy doesn't even bother me. I've always been one to nod and move on to my next idea, at most, ask for clarification. I just get worked up when people get yelled at for what I guess we're branding "merchant shopping", especially because it feels bad to be told no, and told that asking another merchant would be "against policy" and then watch someone else get it. That's incredibly unfair, and I understand why folks get jaded.

warm steppe
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it is also not true that we ageee/disagree. There are standards and some GMs have not held those up in the past

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They are not held in high regard for doing that

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Merchant shopping is when someone gets an alter denied and then tries to get another merchant to do the same thing later on

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That is not allowed

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At all period end of story

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If there are inconsistency issues then those need to be addressed

tulip wing
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🤷 Yet it still happens, regularly. There's probably a reason for that.

warm steppe
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You are assuming something that doesn’t exist

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if you are not here to help someone with an alteration then move on from this topic

trail geode
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harpoon is an allowed noun so if you are okay with harpoon you should easily be able to get that

warm steppe
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Harpoon would be the correct choice for a fishing style spear

golden tusk
tulip wing
thin garden
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I stand by my recommendation,.... make it a barbed spear with a rope tied to the handle 🙂

neon spindle
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so im confused.. i can make a fishing harpoon

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or are you saying make believe it cause "harpoon" is a fishing thing..

mossy mist
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Fishing harpoon would be rather redundant

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Also a fishing spear would be a terrible weapon

warm steppe
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No you can’t just attach a purpose in an items description unless it is approved on the list for that item (see wiki) or it is scripted to allow that with specific approvals within the script

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There are some rare exceptions to this rule if you read through our alter guidelines. E.g “a wizard’s hat” because those have clear distinct historical references and are approved

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Hence you cannot make “a rogue’s cloak” because that isn’t a thing that is specifically known in history. Also why we no longer sell “a miner’s pack” on Teras

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This information is all in ALTER which you should read front to back if you want merchants to work on something without a constant back and forth of what is already outlined there

neon spindle
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side question.. would altering the look AND customization options count as the look/show price? heh

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on a scroll.. btw

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cause ya boy is pp poor 😕

warm steppe
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they are itemized as they are offered as Fixed Cost Items in PREMIUM 6 Alteration - 300 (15/15/15 + show OR long description) Alteration - 600 (Show AND long description) Item Customization - 300 (Customizing up to three facets of a single item.)

neon spindle
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ah dang, didnt see the bottom part

upbeat pendant
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I always think it's better to have alterations that "show, don't tell." This armor is meant for a rogue? describe the ways in which it's more flexible, or dark or sleek or whatever. It's a Koar robe? Have it embroidered with the crown on a field of white. It's a whaling harpoon? Tell me how it's big, barbed, has rolaren chains.

trail geode
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duffield is quite right. in fact that is the alteration guide's suggestion too -- if it's a fishing spear you should identify what makes it a fishing spear and show that. you could say it has a barbed head or that it has a line tied to it, for example

neon spindle
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even has a barbed tip in the show..

trail geode
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so then it sounds like you're covered

fleet cloud
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Wanna re-itter-ate. Elanthian "Show anna Tell"... Da Merchant kin help wit da ferst part but da second haff's up to ye!

clever junco
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I heard through the grapevine that "sarong" is an illegal noun now. Is this true?

elder wind
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This is true. We ask you to use less modern/more general terms like “wrap”.

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This has technically been the case since at least 2023.

clever junco
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Absolutely makes sense, I was showing someone one I had and they were like "OooOOOoooo illegal alter" and we weren't sure. I appreciate the transparency, it's always good to know which nouns are not accepted to properly prepare!

lament aspen
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And 2023 was just when we started tracking dates. It's been in the out of genre section of ALTER since at least 2017

clever junco
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Well that will teach me for not looking at how much the ALTER verb has changed since 2015. That's an amazing update.

fleet cloud
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Tahoo sarongs dont make a sarite!

coral aspen
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Okay, i had a sensible chuckle

neon spindle
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before i spend alot on the fodder.. could i make the chain on my spear imflass alloy/mithrl alloy? since its decorative?

tulip wing
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Nope, both are disallowed now. They still show up in the treasure system, but can not be used as fodder.

neon spindle
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sure? i was allowed to use mithril alloy fodder on my last alter i had done

tulip wing
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I asked and was very specifically told no. Was even given the example of it still being in the treasure system as generated jewelry by the merchant when denied. But, you know... arbitrary. (leaving before I get yelled at).

coral aspen
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ALTER 44: Tacking "alloy" onto the back of a metal's name is not permissible in alterations. For example, a merchant will not make your "silver band" into a "silver alloy band". Items that already use those naming conventions may keep them intact for alterations, per ALTER 9. However, unless an item's underlying build is made of "black alloy" or "white alloy," removing the "alloy" terminology from a metal is perfectly acceptable.

neon spindle
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im not making up materials.. theres 3 pieces of imflass alloy for sale

coral aspen
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That is where ALTER 9 comes in

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Additionally, the treasure system is old. It is not a good example to use.

neon spindle
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i dont understand what my answer is supposed to be..

coral aspen
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ALTER 9 accounts for situations where an item exists that currently goes against ALTER rules. For example, if the treasure system spits out an offending item that is "mithril alloy," you can continue to have that item altered and maintained as "mithril alloy." However, you cannot alter it to "imflass alloy." Additionally, if you alter it away from "mithril alloy," you would not be allowed to alter it back to that.

The same goes for other alteration requests.

neon spindle
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that what i got

flat matrix
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ALTER 44 covers alloys. There are a lot of pre-existing items that break this rule, of course, but it's what we have had in place for years now.

Updating the treasure system, which regularly spits out things that don't quite conform to the rules, is a beast in and of itself.

What Xeraphina is saying is that if you already have something with it, we won't change it. But it can't be used for fodder, or shouldn't. If it was, it's probably because we, as GMs, are also human and will make mistakes.

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I know that it feels arbitrary, even though it's not. We recognize that.

There are so so so many things that are solidly within the guidelines, however, that I'm hoping you can find something that works.

neon spindle
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well there goes getting my decorative chain made to something cool..

flat matrix
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Again, there are so many things solidly within guidelines, you shouldn't have an issue

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There are TONS of things that are "cool" and within the rules

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Unless the only thing cool to someone is finding an edge-case and getting an exception by a GM whose guard was done...and I know that's not what you mean 🙂

neon spindle
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come on.. its me 🙂

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but i just wanted the chain to be something exotic.. meh, everything you can turn it to is basic b stuff

upbeat pendant
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what would the rule/plan be for something like an animal spirit armor, that has a material in the 15/15/15 but also as a customization? let's say "a cotton t-shirt" and it has a customization "material: cotton".. if I want to make this a wool sweater at a GALD merchant, would they be able to change both? Would it have to be two alters and it's just mismatched for awhile? I believe the customization only comes into play when wearing or removing (probably some other verb traps I never think of)

neon spindle
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most seem to be more then happy to make it match right for you, in my experience with that situation

neon spindle
long niche
upbeat pendant
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huzzah ty

long niche
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QC does not want you running around with mismatched things!

lament aspen
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QC here stands for Quirky Casil

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I would probably consider that a required part of the alteration and not a customization

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But this goes back to there not being a one size fits all term that applies to various bits of data not strictly the long or show

upbeat pendant
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Yeah so in this case, there were customizations for the material, the hood and for the sleeves.. changing the material makes sense, but I suppose it could go either way for the hood and sleeves (I didn't ask/want to change those)

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just to agree that yeah no one size fits all

long niche
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Right. It is a custom but it's a required part of the alteration, so it's not considered a separate customization request. The hood/sleeves I would not have updated since that wasn't the base material.

lament aspen
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We don't want to have it be a sleeveless hoodless wool robe and also a deeply cowled long sleeved gossamer robe

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Stupid items

long niche
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if the long had indicated the material of the hood (which it did not), then the hood customization would have also been required. The general rule is just to update any custom fields that contradict the new alteration.

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Anything else would be a separate request and require one to wait until their next merchant who is willing to work on the item. 🙂

neon spindle
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since veniom fodder is very weird now.. figured id try and get some clarity on what i can use, am i able to use the bars of veniom rogues make lockpicks from?

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or.. ive got some veniom banded half plate, would i be able to just use that as fodder?

vestal glade
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that would be some awful armor to go into combat and expect any type of protection.

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basically an aluminum can with pretty colors.

neon spindle
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i just bought it for the veniom.. it was very cheap

vestal glade
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😆

neon spindle
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not sure why half plate is actually a thing.. ive never seen anyone wear it lol

vestal glade
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it's a choice I guess.

tulip wing
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The way it used to be: If a material was in the base description of the item, it could be used as fodder. Normal ALTER restrictions apply. (easy and straight forward)

The convoluted way it seems to be now: The item must INSPECT with the base material to be used as fodder. Except for rare fabrics and rare non-magical woods (which INSPECT as "cloth" and "wood" respectively). Gemstones that INSPECT as rare or higher must have the gemstone supplied (as a gem, chrisms or items just with the gem in the base description cannot be used). Items intended as alchemy ingredients cannot be used as fodder. All dye additives must be applied to the desired dye color and the resulting dye provided. Treasure system items may be used as fodder except for: alloys, magical metals, and (sometimes) collectable items. Base material for any mechanical item cannot be changed except by HESS transmute (this includes things like turning non-magical wood items into ko'nag or nightwillow, etc. It also includes fabrics on armor robes such as turning cloth into spidersilk). Materials in the new class of "fodder specific" items with the release of the antiquarian can be always be used as fodder, but sometimes items that inspect as a material that are not "fodder specific" items cannot be used. Normal ALTER restrictions apply. INSPECT will inform you of some of these restrictions for a few metals (veniom being one of those) which reads:

"It looks like this item has been mainly crafted out of veniom, a very rare metal. It would need to be supplied to be used in an alteration and may only be used as an accent. Veniom is so thin and light, crumpling easily, that it would be unsuitable for use as anything with substance, lending itself better as an accent, like threading and tracery."

neon spindle
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i have a lump of veniom ore that inspects as veniom!

coral aspen
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If it is a duskruin ore, those cannot be used.

neon spindle
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i dont know?

coral aspen
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It may be in the analyze.

neon spindle
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oh.. yeah, so.. cant use ore, bars.. is there actually anything usable?

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cant take the veniom bands off weapons/armor, not sure what else there is

vestal glade
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if an item inspects/analyzes, and it shows the tagline like the one above, about it needing to be supplied to be used in an alter, I think that counts?

neon spindle
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is this jewelery im seeing alot of usable?

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guessing not since it was most likely made with that ore?

warm steppe
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Veniom is not typically able to be "added" to another item for GALD, due to it having the property of making something lighter. And, since you can't get something made lighter and also alter it during GALD, it is prohibitive and requires a special service like the one provided at Ale Festival.

neon spindle
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hmm, first time hearing that

warm steppe
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because it's not an alteration rule, it's a permission to even work with the material

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the exception would be cloth-of-<metal>

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since that remains cloth

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assuming we are talking about armaments like armor/weapons/shields.

neon spindle
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yeah.. i wanted veniom inlay on a bow..

warm steppe
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if it is just adding veniom to the description it might be possible, if you can find the appropriate fodder. but the bow may need meet certain qualifications, depending on the merchant

neon spindle
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just another case of.. ive had it put on multiple things, but imma get in trouble if i try again lol

neon spindle
warm steppe
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finding the fodder is the hard part. Ale Festival was unique in that the fodder was not required, so that was an exception to the rule.

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and it was max lightening iirc

neon spindle
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wont be trying today.. didnt get lucky, but i found a maybe thing lol

remote badge
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There was veniom alter fodder released at a past event, I want to say like... DR dig? "a small hunk of veniom" you might be able to find some of those?

upbeat pendant
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You could wear the ferroniere on your head.
It has been mainly crafted out of veniom, a very rare metal. It would need to be supplied to be used in an alteration and may only be used as an accent. Veniom is so thin and light, crumpling easily, that it would be unsuitable for use as anything with substance, lending itself better as an accent, like threading and tracery.``` there's a lot of these kinda things on playershops, would they work?
coral aspen
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If it was made using the smelter and ore from DR, no. They are expressly prohibited from use.

tulip wing
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If it helps, I don't think the treasure system generates veniom at all, so anything like that in player shops is most likely from the artisan system and uses the ore. I have some very old veniom jewelry items, but they just literally have no material listed on inspect so those won't work either. Aside from the DR dig chunk, you're unlikely to find anything recent. The bag-of-holding threads can't be used either. Another source for potential fodder might be old lockpicks? I know some folks have piles of those lockered away.

Hmm... That makes me wonder if those old lockpicks can be exchanged at the antiquarian for "specific fodder".

vestal glade
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could be a good suggestion to make

upbeat pendant
coral aspen
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I can't answer that question without additional information. It may be. It can appear to be. But without it being in hand, i can't confirm one way or the other.

upbeat pendant
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gotcha.

tulip wing
upbeat pendant
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ahhhh gotcha, oh well.

upbeat pendant
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This service is not available for items that do not allow for both longs and shows on them.``` I'm not entirely sure what this means.. does anyone have an example of eligible vs ineligible items (or what the analyze would say)?
vestal glade
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what's the service?

coral aspen
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The script has a built-in capability to customize the long and the show, and that can be handled as a regular service through a merchant.

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Since that capability is already built into the script and can be handled as part of a regular service, it does not qualify.

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The service being provided on Sunday is strictly for items that do not have that built into them.

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Additionally, some items have hard set restrictions based on their script and due to those restrictions, do not qualify. Consider an item that has a hard-set scripted SHOW. An example would be the WoodChopper Box.

upbeat pendant
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Ahhh okay this makes sense, thank you for the clarification!

upbeat pendant
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oh well sorry, not general, it is for both long and show

vestal glade
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ah, yeah, it's a way to filter out things that can more easily be served by a different service pathway.

celest smelt
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My sword is made of ruby, can the type of ruby be altered? Changing it to "snowfire ruby" instead of just "ruby", for example.

Also, since it is made of gem, can descriptors such as "crystalline" or "glittering" be used with it? I read through the alter page but I don't think any of it quite covered a gem weapon specifically.

elder wind
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So, without seeing the item, maybe?

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You’d have to provide the gems.

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Glittering might still be a no, as that implies active movement. Crystalline would be more acceptable.

celest smelt
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Gotcha. I saw "It might glitter or scintillate if it's encrusted with gems" under the movement section and wasn't sure how that would apply.

I'll start hoarding appropriate gems just in case. Thanks!

coral aspen
tulip wing
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Ruby (weapons/armor) is one of those weird materials without much explanation. It dates back to the early 90's. About a year ago it disappeared from the options in the general armor shops, but last time I checked it's still available in general weapon shops. Ruby gear inspects as being made of "ruby" whereas rubies inspect as gems. I added the info for ruby to the wiki awhile back when seeking out and updating some other rare gear materials like "copper" and "silver" which exist as their own materials but are exceptionally rare to find out in the wild. Alexandrite is another weird example.

celest smelt
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Ah interesting. I guess I'll see what happens as I go. 😆

celest smelt
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For providing gems to get the "snowfire" part maybe added to the ruby sword... do I need to match the weight 1:1 (12lbs of snowfire rubies)?

olive palm
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Any ideas out there for Aelotoi wings?

clever junco
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I’ve never done a pair, but you could start by looking at what’s been offered at specialty events!

olive palm
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Good idea, thanks!

thin garden
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Are alteration books not intended to work on weapons?

minor knoll
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Yea I thought they could be, I tried to alter a maul with s6, t5 no script or anything and it was a no go. I'm curious to know as well

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Even tried simple boots with pull to untie and that said no

tulip wing
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Yeah, the alteration books can be really finicky. I've never tried to use one to alter a weapon, but anything I've ever got to work with one has been a basic item with no scripts attached. They are incredibly useful though for those times when you need to create a themed outfit. You also have to be careful with what dyes you pour into them (if you're using that feature) because it will truncate some of the color names in weird ways if they are too long.

minor knoll
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The convenience alone is worth it

lament aspen
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No combat gear, they were initially created for wedding clothing

upbeat pendant
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not a dwarven wedding I see

tulip wing
celest smelt
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I couldn't find any information on mekya ne'rutkas (half-krolvin two-handed sword) other than the one paragraph on the weapon noun wiki about them using primitive weapons until metal replaced teeth. I figured the designs might stay similar in the transition.
So I was going for something more primitive with a similar shape to a shark-tooth sword or sawfish sword, but I'm not sure what the best words would be for a non-organic weapon. What would be the best way to describe this sword blade? saw-toothed? serrated? barbed? (picture for reference)

sawfish.jpeg
lime jungle
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Twin-edged sword with serrated points along its length?

celest smelt
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hm, serrated points could work.

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I'll see if I can come up with some ideas around those, thanks for the input!

tulip vector
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or even deep serrations running its length

lime jungle
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Can the LONG of a set of animal armor be altered via Sadie scroll? Would the individual coverages in the analyze be updated along with it?

And what is the purpose of the individual pieces of the armor? The LONG and SHOW of the item doesn't seem to be affected by them (for example, adding the headdress updates the coverage but not the LONG/SHOW).

celest smelt
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The individual coverage areas are used in the fluff verbs. I'm not sure on the Sadie scrolls though.

lime jungle
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Ah that's right.

bleak nebula
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Aihan really wants a bota for holding his alcohol in the game. I've been a bit reluctant to design one for him, since I haven't seen the noun used elsewhere. That is, until I noticed a square leather boda covered in a webwork of interlaced silk currently for sale in DR at Secretive Sips. All my research is telling me that a boda isn't a thing, that it is a misspelling of bota. Can someone point me to what a GS boda is? Should the item be typo reported? And, does anyone currently have a bota? Just so I know if the noun is allowed or not.

opal sedge
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Seeing as how they're both spanish words, I think you're right

brittle coral
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Checking.

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Can you bug that Fehala? Bota should be allowed.

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But boda, we are thinking, is a typo.

tacit ermine
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I've seen bota for sure - if it isn't Ordim that has it, Ferghal did. But I think it's Ordim, something like a foot-shaped leather bota for the default still container

timber fiber
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Definitely Ordim with his foot bota and toe stopper

slender epoch
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Yep, Ordim’s still’s default container it creates is the foot-shaped leather bota w/toe stopper. (It also allows him to use leather as a material in the bottle contraption, dunno if it works any other way there)

safe umbra
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This is likely just a typo that slipped through QC, though the typo itself was originally mine. Heh. (Bota and Boda sound exactly the same to my screen reader, alas!)

bleak nebula
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Thank you all! It's an easy mistake to make. When I was Googling, I found a couple boda for sale, and then a blog from the seller as they learned of their mistake. Then I didn't know if it was a GS specific noun or not. I put the bug report in, and Aihan will be very happy to have a bota from his still.

wanton garden
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Is there ever consideration to add to the list of "alternate names" for some weapons? If so, is there a good place to make that request?

elder wind
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There is, and this is a good place.

wanton garden
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I would love the option to be able to use "rondel" as an alternate dagger name. I do not see any specific country/origin, just "late middle ages" and was used by merchants to knights. They are designed for close-quarter combat and penetrating armor links in mail/chain or getting between weak gaps/joints in platemail. I feel like that would match some of my rogue-y characteristics, especially for getting past armored defenses.

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Thanks for the consideration!

fleet cloud
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tryin to safe time if'n I eber git lucky... Q: is a smoky glass mug painted with cavorting roltons and skunks (fulla bad ale) a thing dat anyone kin make look likka small wotterin can shaped mug dat gots a label "Ida's Tater Juice" ?

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( I dunno if'n ales is jealously guarded er not)

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(well, I know not to reach fer da last one if'n Guts is at da table...but dat's differnt!)

slender epoch
fleet cloud
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worrisome. Tanks!

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Gonna keep wotterin da Tater wit it reguardless... cause it'da only "dirty brown" colorizer!

slender epoch
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Anytime you need a refill, holler at Trallihn!

golden tusk
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Does anyone know exactly how to do a tent alteration via a Sadie Scroll and how many points it is? Looking at the wiki about it is breaking my brain.

tulip wing
bleak nebula
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Can a GALD merchant alter them? Or is it just Sadie?

golden tusk
tulip wing
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GALD can do the exterior (folded/standing), but not the interior since it requires QC, I believe. (Again, unless that's changed since several years back regarding the interior design).

golden tusk
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I was gifted a tent and so I'm looking at it as a long-term project since the pricing is so high on everything.

tulip wing
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I am curious if GALD can change the default scent for a pup tent. The way that's setup looks very much like a standard customization. Even has the monsterbold on it. I may try the next time I get picked a a merchant.

lime jungle
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You can do it through Sadie

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They showed up and did it with me because they can be complicated.

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I did 3 things for 300

lament aspen
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Scent can be GALDed

lime jungle
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I think the outside long is it's own alteration

lament aspen
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Correct. Can GALD exterior too

lime jungle
lament aspen
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Generally just indicate the room name and what you want the interior can be and the GM can help carve it up

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It changes based on what you have placed and if there's a lit light source

golden tusk
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[RUG]
[SCENT]
[LANTERN]
[CONTAINER]

lament aspen
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Rug, lantern, and container are separate items and altered separately via any GALD merchant

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The trash bin (if unlocked) and the scent are "simple customs" and can be changed via GALD or Sadie under customs for 300

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The tent exterior is a standard alteration and can be done by any GALD merchant or by Sadie for 300 points for a standard alteration

golden tusk
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Yeah I'm trying to still understand the interior alteration....

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and how the PP works with that

lament aspen
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The tent interior, meaning the room name and room description, can be altered via Sadie for 300 points and has to go through QC

golden tusk
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and i have to design how a lantern and such interacts in the room right?

lament aspen
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You can. There are three light options; one with no light source, one with a light source lit, and one with an unlit light source

golden tusk
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But does that increase the PP cost for the interior alteration?

lament aspen
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No

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It can't be separated

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Most people give a description without a lantern but it usually does reference a light source, like a brazier or torch or something. Without more I confirm and just edit that description to reference a lit or unlit whatever

golden tusk
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Ok thank you. At 300PP then I'll definitely make this a long-term project for my alt.

celest smelt
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The animalistic cowl is suede and inspects as leather. I'm assuming that can't be changed to a cloth (damask) to match my cloak, or the cloak from damask to suede is that correct?

lime jungle
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That would be a bummer. I was hoping to make mine linen.

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I thought fluff was more lenient on that kind of stuff. I've converted between those types at a GALD before.

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Especially since transmutes don't really work on fluff.

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I don't think?

clever junco
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If the item doesn't inspect as armor of any kind, you may be able to change it. I can't remember if the cowls are or not

celest smelt
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The cowl isn't one of the armor accessories.

lime jungle
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There are armor and non armor variants

celest smelt
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It's neat enough to deal with, but making them match eventually would make me happy, if it is possible.

lime jungle
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I would agree that if it's the armor variant you're probably going to be more restricted.

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Ah you said it wasn't. 👍🏻

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You might also want to test all the different adornment variants in the test server for best effect. My alteration idea made most sense with the feather adornment when it comes to the fluff actions.

celest smelt
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The test server is a blessing for sure. The cowl adornments and fluff do match best with what I hope for, a cowl/hood with antenna to match my butterfly cloak.

lime jungle
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It's the example in the wiki fluff actions with the cat ears.

celest smelt
# lime jungle If you want antennae, you might want to check out the headdress with rigid horns...

You 100% had me panicking because I bought the cowl minutes before you posted that. 😆

Went back to the test server and it seems like nod and shake are the only slightly different verbs, but either would work.

nod for the headdress:
A riotous burst of misty green motes dances over the surface of the rolton skull headdress on your head in time to the movement, the luminous sparks of energy spiraling around each of the strips of fleece dangling from the base of it.
and the cowl:
A riotous burst of stygian black motes dances over the surface of the suede cowl on your head in time to the movement, the luminous sparks of energy highlighting the supple stygian black surface of its suede material.

The analyze also says Any merchant can change the adornment, adornment type, and how the adornment attaches to the cowl.
So it reads like it shouldn't be an issue to work in antenna, in theory.

lime jungle
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Not that it wouldn't work, just thought you might enjoy the extra specific fluff that the horn adornment actions get.

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Right you can absolutely change the adornment so you could always do that on yours if you like the verbiage.

celest smelt
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I didn't notice any interaction with the horns specifically. The motes seemed to focus on the dangly fleece strips. I assume the messaging will change if the location changes (attached at base, top, surface etc)

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It's all a mystery!

lime jungle
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I think I was of the impression that they were much more different when I tested them. I'm seeing now that they are actually almost identical. Makes me wonder why they have the adornment type then.

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Did find this bug though:
...the luminous sparks of energy encircling each of the thick turtle shell affixed to the top of it.

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This was the one I was referring to I think:

tilt cap
...Crackling misty green energy sparks over the leather arming cap on your head as a low grunt fills the air, forked branches of light arc between the tips of each of the thick turtle shell affixed to the top of it.

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Anyhow they are all so similar that I realized it's not that big of a deal. 😄

celest smelt
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That makes me think the helmet has two little turtle shell hair buns. 🤣 Could be cute.

I appreciate the input, and it causing me to double check it all. The analyze on them makes my screen scroll, I definitely get lost sorting through it.

My growing list of potential alterations is the real problem now.

safe umbra
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If it's a non-helm Animalistic Headdress, the material can definitely be changed when it's altered. Even the actual type (cowl to a hat or a crown or something). Decoration can also be changed, as well. The helms are more strict, of course.

celest smelt
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That's awesome. Thank you for the confirmation.

minor knoll
# safe umbra If it's a non-helm Animalistic Headdress, the material can definitely be changed...

I have a question if you will about use of Sadie with an animalistic weapon before I submit to see if I grasp the concept

Will this fly?

What I want

Pawing angrily at the air, a (dominant) ethereal (moose) charges forward with its (antlered) head lowered as a stampede of mighty spirited moose (roil forth in an angry torrent)

What I have now

** Pawing at the air and shaking its antlers aggressively, an antlered ethereal stag charges forward with its antlered head lowered as a stampede of wispy misty green stags roil forth in an angry torrent! **

fleet cloud
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domninint plus moose issa kinda redundundant? *at least dat's wot I hear frem folks who haddem in der towns.

safe umbra
# minor knoll I have a question if you will about use of Sadie with an animalistic weapon befo...

"dominant" is too subjective for a descriptor - it should be something more physical. And there is no way to put something where you have 'mighty spirited' so I am not sure what you want there? The easiest way to be sure to get what you want is to just list out what you want as if it's in the ANALYZE. Like Noun: moose, Descriptor: broad-shouldered, Animal Group Noun: mob. There may be people other than me doing this (that have been cleared) and odds are they aren't going to understand what each of those fields mean by filling in the flare messaging.

minor knoll
fleet cloud
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A bull moose in rut... runnaway!

minor knoll
red patio
fleet cloud
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I'll replace ye witta headstone!

minor knoll
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Thing is I don't want the color at all (any color) either so imma have to word it just right for them to understand

fleet cloud
safe umbra
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The color has to be a color, though ....? It can't just be 'dreary light'.

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Keep in mind there is a potential unlock where you can change your eye color to this. No one's getting colorless/translucent eyes. Heh.

minor knoll
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So by default it needs a color?... interesting

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I'll just go with brown

strong meteor
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Why can’t we have translucent eyes? Can I at least get kaleidoscope eyes? There’s a song about it after all 😬

remote badge
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"clear colored" is an option in the feature pavilion which I always found weird

fleet cloud
golden tusk
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Few more questions on tent alterations... for exterior GALD, can the tent be round? Also, does it have to remain canvas?

lament aspen
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Yes, the analyze indicates it has to include "canvas tent". Round is fine.

golden tusk
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Ok. Was hoping to do a traditional woven goat hair or camel hair tent but I can work with canvas. Thank you.

tulip wing
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For what it's worth canvas can be made from just about anything hemp, cotton, flax, wool, and even angora goat hair.

I wanted to go with a winter yurt for the Hinterwilds, so got mine altered into a ko'nag-trussed domed canvas tent engulfed in rope-bound hinterboar hides

lament aspen
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It's beeeeautiful

modest matrix
lament aspen
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#1344393048603492393

upbeat pendant
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The creator has also provided the following information:

The white vaalorn claidhmore contains a special flare.  It can be freely altered.``` So I am not quite sure what this special flare means, ```It contains Greater Elemental Flares that occasionally double flare with the element of gravity.``` from the recall.  The normal vacuum flares seem to have the normal lead in, but the GEF starts as this: ```  ** A nebulous dome of blue ether discharges from a pure white vaalorn claidhmore  and engulfs a greater moor wight! **``` So this I am not sure if it is the special flare? And when it says freely alterable, does that mean the flare? And if so, can any GALD do this?
tulip wing
# upbeat pendant ```You analyze the white vaalorn claidhmore and sense that the item is largely f...

The "nebulous dome of blue ether" is the default messaging for the GEF damage cycle messaging for void flares (also known as gravity flares). The standard damage cycle flare messaging should be something like "Your vaalorn claidhmore flickers as the space around [target] folds inward and draws its surroundings closer!" The two damage cycles can happen independent of one another or both can happen at the same time.

That "freely altered" message about the flares shows up on all GEF, and I think just means that it can have custom flare messaging applied to the standard damage cycle flare, which is typically a special merchant service and not GALD. You probably can also use the "canned" custom flares available at DR. As a side note, though, custom flare messages only apply to the standard damage cycle flare messaging, the GEF damage cycle flare messaging will remain the the default.

upbeat pendant
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ah so it's just standard GEF messaging, gotcha

tulip wing
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Yep! I just don't think there's a whole lot of greater void flaring weapons out there, so it's kind of unusual to see it.

grim kelp
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Not so unusual anymore with flare gloves.

tulip wing
celest smelt
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I want to change my animal spirit headdress to a butterfly and the default sound is "buzz", which really doesn't seem to fit. I'm wracking my brain trying to think of another sound a butterfly might make, that also fit with the messaging.

you throw your head back to let out a high-pitched buzz, a coil of buzz sparks rising from the top of your head in the form of long antennae.

The 'coil of buzz sparks' part doesn't make sense to me either. My best guesses are "hum" or just "cry". Any help?

minor knoll
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Butterflies naturally make a crackling or twittering sound

Buzzing to me is a 🐝

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Shrug

coral aspen
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SUSSURUS

minor knoll
coral aspen
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It's one of my newer favorite words

lament aspen
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That should probably be a color and is either coded with the wrong fill in the blank or the item has buzz as a color by accident

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Either way can you please bugitem and I will escalate to the appropriate party

safe umbra
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Oh. Vanah already got you. lol.

celest smelt
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I don't have a butterfly yet to do it on prime, but I can bugitem it on test if that would help.

lament aspen
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Yeeeees I think that works

coral aspen
safe umbra
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I am not sure if 'sussurus" alone would work as a sound? 🤔

coral aspen
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😶

lament aspen
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Gemini says they crackle

minor knoll
lament aspen
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Well crackling butterflies crackle

safe umbra
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Like you need to be able to pluralize it to. So - the butterfly makes a soft sussurus, the butterflies make several sussuruses? Sounds odd.

minor knoll
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Yea or twittering

coral aspen
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Butterflies may also be opportunistic vampires, so here we are.

celest smelt
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Crackle isn't too bad. Sussurus is a very close second.

lament aspen
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We could just believe this is a particular type of buzzing butterfly

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Alert Rumplesnoots!

safe umbra
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Hum?

lament aspen
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Gemini also suggests rustle

minor knoll
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Butterflies surprisingly hiss too

safe umbra
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If we can figure out what the plural of sussurus is ... maybe. Maybe it's also sussurus.

coral aspen
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Which is now the name of my death metal band.

lament aspen
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Gemini suggests sussurruses

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No

celest smelt
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Maybe a high pitched 'song' like the singing butterfly in the Last Unicorn. 😆
These are welcome suggestions, thanks.

safe umbra
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The most difficult ones to figure sounds out for are the cephalopods, NGL. Maybe not the kraken. But like squids.

lament aspen
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Susurruses

safe umbra
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Heaven forbid if I ever add mollusks. What noises do snails make? Shlorp?

minor knoll
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Yasss now I want a snail

lament aspen
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S u s u r r u s e s

minor knoll
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Make it happen

safe umbra
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My 2025 release calendar is quite booked up. Alas.

celest smelt
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I did a bugitem of the headdress on test. Hopefully that helps.

safe umbra
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And okay I guess susurrus/susurruses works as a sound.

minor knoll
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It's become quite popular

coral aspen
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You're welcome!

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But also, I blame @livid jetty because I'm pretty sure they lowkey got me into it.

celest smelt
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I think I have to go with Susurruses at this point.

safe umbra
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That word is hard for me. I keep forgetting partway through if I put enough s's and r's in there.

coral aspen
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We could just go bonkers and make sussuri 😶

tropic spoke
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its not bonkers until its sussuri in mississippi

fleet cloud
slender epoch
fleet cloud
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Ye kinnot teach a crab to walk straight..
~~Aristophanes.

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Trallihn arrives amidst a suspiciously usurious susurrus of banknotes!

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(down by da sea shore) 😉

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Seems more likka berb dis...
*The squidgey snail schlorps its way towards ye! *
Ye got a week to get outta da way!

grim kelp
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All these insects making a susurrus are clearly Phil Collins fans.

golden tusk
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all the time

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sus sus surrus

minor knoll
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I'm confused

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Is it 4 or 7?

grim kelp
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If I had to guess I would speculate that maybe Hoorne's player is on Pacific time. 4pm PT = 7pm ET (which means there'd be a typo)

minor knoll
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Thought all times were in game time

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But I'll be there at 7

celest smelt
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#duskruin message

Looks like 7pm et

minor knoll
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Ty

grim kelp
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Was just looking for an explanation that fit.

fleet cloud
minor knoll
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My eyes

celest smelt
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This is what I ended up with for possibilities on my spirit animals, am I in the right neighborhood with making these workable?
The biggest concern is that the descriptors might be too subjective.

Butterfly:

    * Spirit Descriptor: whimsical
    * Spirit Color: gold-dusted amethyst
    * Spirit Call: susurrus```

Storm Griffin:
```    * Spirit: storm griffin 
    * Spirit Descriptor: thunderous
    * Spirit Color: silver-streaked amethyst```
upbeat pendant
grim kelp
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I usually give Avaluka 3 or 4 together in my order of preference.

celest smelt
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Noted. I've got a couple of back ups, but I'll make sure they are more physical. Thanks!

stuck fossil
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So I just found a dagger, with a rather unique noun, an imflass sidearm-of-Onar. Is this an acceptable alteration if I want to change a different dagger I own into a sidearm-of-Onar?

tulip wing
coral aspen
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Yes

stuck fossil
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oh, hey. Look at that. Ignore me. I knew I should have checked the wiki first...and I am usually so good about it.

neon spindle
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ok i have a slightly confusing dumb question as i look through that list of names..

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since a lance can be a pike.. and a awl-pike can be a breach pike, could a lance be a breach pike? or is that not cheatable?

tulip wing
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Typically, if it isn't on the list, then it's not allowed.

celest smelt
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Some of them are a little confusing. I once bought a pole-axe thinking I was getting a jeddart-axe, but a pole-axe is a halberd. Jeddart-axe are poleaxe with no hyphen.

upbeat pendant
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if I forge my own spear, will someone let me alter it into an artisan partisan 😅

fleet cloud
arctic bloom
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Is there anyone who has a full animalistic spirit armor alter who can share? Need some inspiration. (Head coverage, neck coverage, arm & leg coverage)

minor knoll
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just submitted the animalistic alter through Sadie, Ill let you all know how it goes 🙂

clever junco
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I'm struggling with an adjective for mine. 😦

lime jungle
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Still waiting on my headdress response so crossing my fingers here too.

celest smelt
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I am also clogging the queue with my animal armor.

elder wind
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I’ve been grabbing every submission that ISN’T related to animal armor.

clever junco
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Hear that! Now is the best time to get those fast turnaround Sadie scrolls for your bits and bobs

elder wind
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There are more than 15 animal armor related requests in, and they can only be handled by certain folks. Except for some tents and title requests, everything else is looking like a day to two day turnarounds right now.

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(Tents and title requests require being sent to QC, so they take a bit longer.)

safe umbra
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I am making a note to myself to actually see if I can go through some of the backlog tonight with the Animalistic stuff to help Sadie out.

brittle coral
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I can jump in, too.

celest smelt
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I hope my comment didn't come across as impatient or rushing. Was just meant to be humorous. I can't tell some times.

clever junco
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I thought it was funny!

elder wind
celest smelt
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That's good. 😄

minor knoll
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simple request, is there anyway we can take another accounts attuned item and stow them while we are waiting on sadie? I couldnt go rescue someone because I had to climb and i cant stow the item

tulip wing
minor knoll
stuck fossil
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have the alt put it in a bag, then you hold the bag and stow it as needed?
after rereading your post, I think you already tried that, thus this is a useless post and able to be deleted

verbal swan
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my guess is try the locker trick

lime jungle
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Or it's something you can't put away at all?

tulip wing
# lime jungle Or it's something you can't put away at all?

Yeah, some attuned items won't let you put/drop the item. Hoping maybe the locker runners will be a solution. 1) Locker send (item). Then when ready to retrieve to approve the scroll 2) Locker Manifest it back, should get package you can open and it will be automatically in hand. I just don't know for sure that's not blocked by the system and don't have anything to test it on.

lime jungle
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What do you do after it's altered?

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It's still always in your hand?

tulip wing
# lime jungle What do you do after it's altered?

It only happens when the item isn't attuned to you. How I read this situation is someone is using premium points on a scroll on their account to alter an item attuned to someone else. So when the scroll is done, they would give the item back to the owner it's attuned to. Same thing happens with some attuned weapons and armor made at DR, I can hold them to do grit services to, but can't put them away. I do the work, then return it to the owner.

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Technically a sadie scroll just takes an "image" of the item when you write the scroll. After that point you should be able to do whatever you want with the item while the scroll is being worked on (use it, locker it, whatever). You just have to have that same item in back in hand for the final step when you approve the scroll. The the sadie scroll basically deletes the item in your hand and replace it with the updated item based on the image it took. That's why you don't want to have services done to them while a scroll is in process... they're just going to get deleted when the updated item replaces it.

grim kelp
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Many of us have learned this the hard way. 🥹

minor knoll
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** Pawing at the air and shaking its antlers aggressively, a colossal ethereal moose charges forward with its antlered head lowered as a stampede of wispy brown moose roil forth in an angry torrent! **

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its complete ❤️ love it

modest matrix
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Meese!

minor knoll
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There is no meese lol a herd is still moose

lime jungle
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Pretty sure it's moosai

minor knoll
celest smelt
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Moosuses

brittle coral
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Meeses?

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to pieces?

minor knoll
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Haha

upbeat pendant
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the police said denise lost her lease for greasing geese to fleece reese's pieces from meeses

lime cosmos
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Anyone able to advise me on Sadie's alteration (600) for a pair of daggers that I'm working on?

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The dagger has a slender, gracefully curved blade inscribed with delicate elvish runes. The metal shimmers faintly with an otherworldly glow, as if touched by moonlight. Elegant filigree patterns the moon and stars along the blades, evoking ethereal designs. The hilts are fashioned from pale moonlit mithril and adorned with translucent white gemstones that catch the light. The dagger handles taper into swirling, vine-like quillons, balancing the overall design.

I got this from chatgpt.

modest matrix
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otherworldly glow, moolit mithril are probably a no.

lime cosmos
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Short
A moonsilver,elven,alfange
Long
A slim moonsilver elven alfange with a lithe sinuous hilt
Show
The alfange has a slender, gracefully sweeping blade inscribed with elven calligraphy. Exquisite etchings of the moon and stars intertwine the elvish script, evoking magnificent artistry. The hilts are fashioned from pale silverish mithril, reflective of moonlight, and adorned with translucent ardent gemstones. The alfange handles taper into swirling, sinuous quillons, balancing the overall design.

lime cosmos
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What I don't get is should elven or color be first or second.

modest matrix
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a slim elven moonsilver alfange

lime cosmos
modest matrix
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Second guessing myself now, I think they both take the same "attribute" space

lime cosmos
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Article/adjective/noun right?

modest matrix
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In his lovely, rectangular book The Elements of Eloquence, Mark Forsyth illustrates that order with this example: Lovely little old rectangular green French silver whittling knife. The adjectives start with opinion (little) and progress through an additional seven categories, ending with purpose (whittling).
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Here’s the full breakdown:

1. Opinion (lovely)
2. Size (little)
3. Age (old)
4. Shape (rectangular)
5. Color (green)
6. Origin (French)
7. Material (silver)
8. Purpose (whittling)
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I guess it is a slim moonlight silver elven alfange

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Oh, maybe moonsilver was throwing me off

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They may veto moonsilver too

lime cosmos
# modest matrix Oh, maybe moonsilver was throwing me off

So just to get things done I should do
A slender elven mithril alfange
Long
A slender elven mithril alfange with a lithe sinuous hilt

Show:
The alfange has a slender, gracefully sweeping blade inscribed with elven calligraphy. Exquisite etchings of the moon and stars intertwine the elvish script, evoking magnificent artistry. The hilts are fashioned from pale silverish mithril, reflective of moonlight, and adorned with translucent ardent gemstones. The alfange handle tapers into swirling, sinuous quillons, balancing the overall design.

modest matrix
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That should pass. My personal preference would go for a slender elven alfange with a lithe sinuous hilt - Maybe adding a color back in, but if you're a fan of the mithril there's nothing wrong with it.

lime cosmos
fleet cloud
minor knoll
lime cosmos
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Still trying to bring words to art. Would the following be likely to be accepted?
Its silver-blue blade polished to perfection, reflecting the quiet elegance of the moon. Delicate elven script intertwines with celestial engravings, forming constellations in flowing patterns. The mithril hilt spirals like a crescent's arch, balanced with precision. A dark sapphire sits in the pommel, its surface dark and unmoving, like the endless night sky. Paired with its twin, it embodies the moon's guidance in the eternal waltz of the cosmos.

Its deep silver blade flawless, capturing the vastness of the stars. Engraved celestial charts and elegant elven writings weave seamlessly across its surface, their line echoing the grand design of the cosmos. The mithril hilt spirals in a flowing motion, mimicking the orbits of distant stars. A faceted white opal crowns the pommel, silent and unchanging. With its twin, it stands as the eternal counterpart, two blades bound like twin stars in harmony.

elder wind
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That first sentence is a fragment.

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You could get something like these:Its silver-blue blade is polished to perfection, reflecting the quiet elegance of the moon. Across the flat, delicate elven script intertwines with celestial engravings, forming constellations in flowing patterns. The mithril hilt spirals like a crescent's arc, balanced with precision. A dark sapphire sits in the pommel, its surface dark and unmoving, like the endless night sky.

Its deep silver blade is flawless, capturing the vastness of the stars. Engraved celestial charts and elegant elven writings weave seamlessly across its surface, their lines echoing the grand design of the cosmos. The mithril hilt spirals in a flowing motion, mimicking the orbits of distant stars. A faceted white opal crowns the pommel, silent and unchanging.

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The last sentence in each of your proposed alterations would be a no-go, as (except for in very, very specific circumstances) we have to alter items as if they existed in a void, and can't reference their relationship to other items. (Because the other item might not be there, might not be visible, etc.)

lime cosmos
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One question, Sadie won't be able to get "rare materials" as alter fodder. I was wondering, would the sapphire and opal also be unacceptable?

lament aspen
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You can analyze a gem (or inspect? Appraise?) and it will tell you if it is rare enough to need to be provided in alternation

lime cosmos
lime cosmos
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I got this from analyze
You analyze the fire opal and sense that the item is free from merchant alteration restrictions.

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so im assuming that as long as it doesn't have
It would need to be supplied to be used in an alteration
Then its fine for Sadie alterations right?

elder wind
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With the caveat that there are always exceptions — yes.

lime cosmos
celest smelt
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I want a green color for the Sprite on my weapon and I'm imagining a very bright green like from a glowstick/chemlight. Bright green is the obvious choice, but would there be a more interesting way to word that? Neon green would be perfect but I don't think that will fly. 🤔

slender epoch
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Phosphorescent, vivid

cloud cliff
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chartreuse is my go-to for that kind of thing

celest smelt
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Phosphorescent is nice but I think it has to be 15 characters or less. Vivid might work though.

lament aspen
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Foxfire green

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Lime green

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Spring green

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If it ain't chartreuse, it ain't no use

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Citron green

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Yellowish green

tropic spoke
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auroral green

celest smelt
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I had to google Foxfire, but I think that might be perfect.

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Thanks all!

golden tusk
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Can I use the word "tarpus" for a hat? It's a conical, pillbox-shaped hat that was popular in the Ottoman empire.

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The closest thing I can find to a pillbox hat in the game is a pill hat for sale at Myra's Millinery in Solhaven.

elder wind
golden tusk
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I've been watching a lot of Magnificent Century with subtitles lately.... LOL

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Kurulus:Osman is another Turkish show that already caused me to design an entire outfit in the game.

elder wind
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So while the general shape of hat existed previously (hence the maybe on tarpus), the term “pillbox hat” is Victorian, into Edwardian.

golden tusk
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From about the middle of the 16th century, a woman would probably have called her hat an arakiyye, regardless of style.

Pillbox hats are depicted in a range of sizes, from tiny enough to perch atop your head to large enough to go all the way around your head. The one constant is that they’re wider than they are tall. (So, no fezzes.)```
I found this little tidbit on a historical costuming site as well about women and hats during the Ottoman empire.
wanton garden
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>l at my talis
You see an ebon-hued honey badger talisman inset with deathstone eyes.

Got my premium teleporter altered today 🙂

fleet cloud
# elder wind That first sentence is a fragment.

One use o' da elipsis... besides how I usually use it... issa to leaf da unnerstood berb up to da reader. Now I aint neber see da Elanthian bersion o' Strunk anna Wite... but I do know ye kin fragmint sentences fer effect...

Sumptimes. 😉

flat matrix
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While you are correct that in narrative writing, there are times where people may use a fragment for effect, we do not allow incomplete/fragmented sentences in shows. Not saying there are not some errors or perhaps a handful of exceptions here or there, but as a general rule, expect to use standard punctuation and full sentences in an alter.

fleet cloud
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" Hi I'm Dwi! " it says onna my greatshields... but wotcha kint see inna da fine print is,,, "Imma idjit.":

lime jungle
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Working on some verb trap alterations here. I have a peretta mask that is full-coverage but these verbs don't quite make sense. Is the analyze wrong or are these bugs?

 (RAISE) You adjust your featureless mask ever so slightly, drawing attention to the secretive smile written upon the curve of your lips.

 (TWITCH) Your fingertips trail over the edge of your featureless mask as your lips twitch up in an enigmatic smile.
golden tusk
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Are "thobe", "thawb" and/or "abaya" allowed?

neon spindle
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meh, got entrenched fighting the sybil and forgot all about Naelyne.. got picked and missed her 😢

elder wind
golden tusk
quick trout
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Is there a way to alter a signature verb's activator?

lament aspen
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Not as a player

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But there was always GM involvement when it was coded, and now there's a lot of autonomous ways to apply them. I can look at adding a rename option

quick trout
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Sweet, thanks! It's an edge case, and I can make an alias around it too, but just thought I would ask.

lament aspen
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How would an alias work here to get around, say, two signature smile options?

quick trout
# lament aspen How would an alias work here to get around, say, two signature smile options?

Let's say the signature verb isn't super indicative or memorable. Example:
signat little - You give Target a little smile.
signat big - You give Target a big smile.
Using aliases I can compensate by adding a more memorable operator such as:
;alias add smilelittle = signat little \?\r
;alias add smilebig = signat big \?\r
which is evoked with:
smilelittle jane - You give Jane a little smile.
smilebig jane - You give Jane a big smile.

lament aspen
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Oh, ok that makes sense. I was thinking more for cases where you mechanically couldn't access the second one because the first one has the same name

quick trout
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🤔 I haven't run into that situation before but surely someone has

lament aspen
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But allowing you to rename in a way you think fits better would also be valid

verbal swan
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I think you can do the rename thing at RW. the academy has a thing where you can do this IIRC

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...I think. It might just be for swears.

lament aspen
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You're right. You can ask the attendant about RENAME

quick trout
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Eyyy! Thank you both I will use the RWrenamer

lime jungle