#[Official] Hinterwilds

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neon salmon
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his experiences with the five stages of gemstone grief prepared him well for this day

hoary temple
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RE: 712 - my only advice is one-shot them or don't stun/incapacitate while damaging them.

The caster must be stunned or otherwise incapacitated and taking damage from an attack for this effect to have the possibility of being triggered.
lime knot
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Use veil iron or kroderine
Elemental dispel I think removes it every time (I want to say it’s their only elemental spell so it gets preference)
Non garotte maneuvers don’t trigger cloak so bleed out with hamstring or evis, etc.

Or yeah, just one shot them

pliant hatch
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Hamstring and bearhug maybe

fluid tree
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Spamming dispel magic will work but it might take awhile if they have a lot of spells. If you know dispels from different circles, you can overlap them and cause a damaging flare on the target. The flare IS strong enough to kill if you are lucky enough.

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It is also worth noting that dispel magic doesn't have any checks involved. Cast it and it will take away a spell from the target, no fuss.

pliant hatch
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Nothing in HW wears a lot of spells, disciples included, so any weapon with dispel on it, or using Spell Cleave will stand a decent enough chance at grabbing Cloak

worthy sand
timid sundial
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can we please get a gigas creature type for bane purposes? they're obviously all the same species. it sucks having to use up quiver slots for each and every type of gigas

lime swan
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imo, the Essence Belt earth block ability should block the wyrm Bind


[SMR result: 123 (Open d100: 56, Bonus: 4)]
You make a vain attempt to dodge the cold wyrm, but the fullness of her weight crashes into you as she falls!
A jagged chunk of earth floating near you intercepts the attack!
An unseen force entangles you, restricting your movement!
earnest pagoda
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What's the key to the acid cloud

Can u run from the message? Dosent seem to want to in bigshot

Voln Rogue

earnest spire
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You have to Breeze (targeted) or Call Wind (untargeted)

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As a rogue just Divert the thing away (even the Wyrm) and engage it in a different room. Or carry Call Wind imbeds for the scenarios where Divert isn't an option.

pliant hatch
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Or just kill the undansormr

earnest pagoda
earnest pagoda
pliant hatch
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Yeah but the cloud doesn't start doing damage for a while after the undansormr rips one, so you have time to kill it

earnest pagoda
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Guess I'll edit my stuffs...focus on them 1st, if it's not already

Wasn't even sure who cast it..so that helps for sure

fluid tree
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Most cloud spells can be removed with dispel magics. Will that wrok on undansormr clouds?

pliant hatch
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No

fluid tree
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I guess it is a "maneuver" cloud. Bah!

cyan lynx
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Undansormr clouds aren't magical in nature.

blazing fable
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What are the best resistances to get for HW? Pits and Hanging Garden/Sanguine Grove areas

chilly valve
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Disint is priority then disrupt and of course ranger anklet. Then its less common stuff like impact from cmans or acid fro. Wyrms and underarmors.

blazing fable
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Thanks, so crush/puncture/slash isn’t as much of a priority?

chilly valve
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Depends on class, as a wizard with high defense it doenst matter for me but if you are a warrior getting hit a ton then that would be first priority. Less of a HW Specific thing and more of a class priority

outer tide
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Does cold work on the weather and cyclones?

blazing fable
chilly valve
chilly valve
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Getting 15% ascension resist for BOTH puncture/crush is either 3,000,000 exp or 150K/150M in armor resist certs, you are screwed either way!

timid shuttle
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RTCF to avoid 720/435, but the info was sketch then It is highly resistant (30%) to impact attacks.

chilly valve
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I have seen some whalewarriors with armors that have 40% slash/crush/puncture resist..... how do they ever die??

earnest spire
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Disciples

timid shuttle
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I think I've seen that armor, with the triple +40s? Bonkers. That's so many certs

chilly valve
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Just a cool 600mil no biggie 😝 (resist certs only)

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It is kind of worth it to be honest if your alternative is just some rando armor script which isnt that strong. If you can negate 80% of your damage sources by that 40% its better than a script

blazing fable
chilly valve
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yeah, if you plan to go higher like 20-25% then the pay path is better since the exp path will just balloon

blazing fable
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Thanks, I'll probably just add 10-15% / event and see how that impacts my gameplay

outer tide
chilly valve
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yeah wargs are arseholes.... just peck at you until you around 50% health then you know the Coup De Grace is right around the corner....

outer tide
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One or two is fine, I was in 6 seconds of RT and literally 6 ran in and howled my rt through the roof and slaughtered me

lime swan
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as a wizard in HW, I do acid/puncture/crush on my main armor, full ranger trinket, and warrior slash fittings on some bracers for l/r arm, l/r hand

chilly valve
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I wonder how many warriors have enough armor skill to know 2 different fittings, if they did they could go like 25% slash on armor and up to 35% crush on head, arm, legs, neck (aventail), you would benefit from both types everywhere but chest/back..

stuck blade
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It is very resistant (25%) to impact attacks.
It is very resistant (25%) to corrosive attacks.
It is very resistant (25%) to slashing attacks.
It is very resistant (25%) to crushing attacks.
It is very resistant (25%) to puncturing attacks.
It is very resistant (25%) to fiery attacks.
It is very resistant (25%) to frigid attacks.
It is very resistant (25%) to shocking attacks.
It is very resistant (25%) to scalding attacks.
It is very resistant (25%) to natural attacks.```

Gotta have all the resists.
chilly valve
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I need to up my acid resist

tough swan
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Does the corporeality change for angargeists include when they're brought into the plane by kai's smite?

near arch
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what about for white alloy

frosty junco
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If you’re looking at angargeists, take a look at their sympathy move. The duration of the sympathy effect should probably be affected by a character’s survival skill, but it currently is not

hasty garnet
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they might have given disciples cloak of shadows, they might have given everyone under the sun confusion, but ... 25 points of damage! Solid strike caves the crimson angargeist's skull in, resulting in instant death! You hear a sound like a child weeping as a white glow separates itself from the crimson angargeist's body and rises into the heavens. a win is a win

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(constructive feedback: it would be nice of dev to give players a heads up when say, someone fixes cloak of shadows on disciples, or fixes confusion on golems & skalds & whoever else has it, so we all don't feel g-slight when someone says that it "always" worked)

lime knot
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Golems have always had it they do haymaker if I remember.

Cloak just got fixed randomly though lol. Surprise!

marsh canyon
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Also, the berserkers have been using spell cleave a lot. Annoying.

devout glade
devout glade
frosty junco
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Appreciate the reply. I’m not quite sure I follow though. The duration of the angargeist sympathy manuever is always a flat 20 seconds (regardless of survival ability) if the endroll is somewhere above 120 or 130 - I can’t recall the precise threshold.

If the endroll is between 101-120 or 130, the duration varies from a few seconds up to 20 seconds.

I guess the point is that if the baseline for a major success with endroll above 120/130 is 20 seconds, survival should impact that.

The sympathy duration from angargeists, at 20 seconds, is much longer than the duration I get from other critter sympathy attacks. Wendigos, for example, usually only sympathy me for maybe 5-10 seconds, and survival seems to be working correctly there.

devout glade
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Also this is an innate ability rather than angargeists casting the actual empath spell 1120. When we released the spell disabler review, we stated that the new policies applied to spells, without committing to applying it to all creature abilities.

frosty junco
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Thanks - that’s a very helpful explanation. It’s clear that it’s currently working as intended. That said, let me petition for survival to apply to the angargeist sympathy ability 🙂

The duration is just too long. If you hunt there a lot, you can tell that it just “feels” off. Having survival ranks reduce it would help a bit.

I’m sure others that hunt there regularly would agree with me.

devout glade
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Noted, and thanks for your feedback (genuinely)

frosty junco
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Thanks for listening! Most of the critters in the HW are tuned quite well. That’s just one thing that stands out as being a bit off.

earnest spire
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Sympathy should instantly drop the moment the casting creature attacks you

pliant hatch
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Creature sympathy. Because if you do that to 1120, it's an immediate nerf to a class that doesn't need any, lol.

earnest spire
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Truuu

hasty garnet
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oh are you listening to beefs about sympathy? Because I've been whining crusading against the fact that the random RT it gives you extends beyond the length of the spell effect.

For example -- you could spell active and see Sympathy has say 2 seconds left.. and then you get random Sympathy RT for say six seconds -- so there are 4 seconds where you are RT locked even though Sympathy has "worn off". And if you get hit with another Sympathy in those 4 seconds (it happens), well then you're just sympathy-locked. Just feels extra cheap and petty after sitting there for 20 seconds.

So -- is there any way to prevent the random RT from Sympathy to extend beyond the actual spell effect?

devout glade
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I'm listening, but I'm also not making any indication of whether or not it'll lead to any changes.

hasty garnet
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Hmnm.. does anyone remember the last time they had to go out to the henge to get things for a forage bounty? Did these secretly all become village-only?

tribal halo
tough swan
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Now some of the bounties are herbs you can find both in town and outside town, but none of the outside town only herb bounties have been genning from him that I or Missoni have seen.

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It's also made it harder to get in town herbs when folk are foraging everything out in town as groups roll through all tasking on them, sometimes even using 604.

marsh canyon
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It is a catch 22. Definitely a bug

chilly valve
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Hinterwilds doesnt having stuff casting bolts/ball spells does it? Might scrap spell parry on warrior because cannot remember any bolt casters.

tribal quarry
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Angargeists.

chilly valve
# tribal quarry Angargeists.

Of course these annoying ghosts would be the ones, glad its not more (guess more surprised its not more as bolt defense is usually lower and good way to nuke players)

marsh canyon
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One of the great advantages of using a big fat tower shield: never get hit by bolts.

worthy sand
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An eyeless black valravn cocks its eyeless head.
Your injuries hinder your attempts to remain unseen.
An eyeless black valravn stares sightlessly into the shadows, revealing you in your hiding place!

An eyeless black valravn turns to look at you, the empty pits where its eyes should be swelling into lightless pools that hungrily drink the surrounding light.
  CS: +496 - TD: +329 + CvA: -2 + d100: +99 - -5 == +269
  Warding failed!

Visions swirl through the darkness, searing themselves into your mind.  Your eyes open.  Loose earth and small stones press in on you from all angles, the pressure of them painful and suffocating.  As you open your mouth to scream, gravel pours in to fill your mouth, stifling the sound.
You flee out, insensate with terror!```
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my favorite thing EVER is that they can break a stun AND bind simulatenously, search me out, AND attack, in one action 😐

seriously it's the greatest, very well-designed creatures

stoic venture
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It's almost like it's an ascension area built for groups.

worthy sand
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it's almost like nothing should be able to just ignore a status condition like it isn't affected

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unless there's like. some specific messaging that it's immune. don't show it as immoblized but it can attack anyway just cause.

opal pine
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Well, in this case it just happens to be a specific counter to the exact scenario you described. They have a special ability to break status conditions, and they have a special ability to search out hiders (common among undead, but seemingly supercharged with valravns)

stoic venture
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If you want to talk about cheat creatures, let's talk about disciples.

neon salmon
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i know it's frustrating, but their ability to break disablers and/or perform multiple actions is key to their difficulty and ability to play on par with us

worthy sand
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I understand their perception being OP. I get that, it makes sense to me. what is unfair, is this:

Soaring by on inky wings, an eyeless black valravn rakes at you with its talons!
  AS: +550 vs DS: +388 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +79 = +268
   ... and hits for 13 points of damage!
   Minor puncture to the left leg.

>look
[Angargreft, Pits of the Dead - 29977]
You also an eyeless black valravn that appears immobilized.```
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so, okay, it broke its stun and attacked. but it's STILL BOUND because it had BOTH a stun and a bind.

And sometimes they actually WILL fall to the ground crippled, messaging that reflects them being bound. but it's not consistent at all

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if I'm in the open, they can always always attack despite being immobilized. if I'm hiding, it's a coin toss whether they "fall to the ground crippled" or they can search and attack

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[SMR result: 137 (Open d100: 60)]
The black valravn is paralyzed and is driven to its knees!
You retreat back into the shadows.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

Immobilized, an eyeless black valravn plummets to the ground in a heap of inky feathers.

The muscles of an eyeless black valravn's wings twitch purposefully, but it remains immobilized.```

see?
stoic venture
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Would you like it to become immune to subdue, because this is how it becomes immune to subdue.

worthy sand
neon salmon
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the effects persisting beyond them "breaking" it works in our favor. if they completely shed the effects every time they shed an effect, they would be more difficult

worthy sand
pliant hatch
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Valravn behave oddly with disables in general. 301 works on them, but they'll attack right through it, while still showing as Immobilized.

worthy sand
neon salmon
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until someone says otherwise, i consider it intentional
ultimately players win the arms race, but asc creatures get to cheat a little as defense

near arch
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I don't think it's intentional if a creature is acting all the time without shaking the condition that is supposed to prevent them from acting, they should just actually shake the immobilize if they're not immobilized

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valravns are angels like the disir, they should probably just be immune to everything disirs are immune to

pliant hatch
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You can 301 disir too, lol. But they shake it and I think it actually is removed when they do. Not in Hinterwilds atm to confirm

neon salmon
worthy sand
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there's enough stuff in the HW that's immune to disablers. can't do anything to disable the ooze, can't knock over the undkjlsldksafkjasf or whatever they're called...

pliant hatch
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Undansormr are worms so yeah you can't knock a worm over. Ooze are basically sl*me so it makes sense they can't be disabled.

near arch
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I will freely admit I have no idea how rogues are supposed to kill valravn since they can see into your soul and turn into a cloud of death, seems rough

tribal halo
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Mug
You mug them, do a specific rogue guild maneuver on them, then follow it up with a good ol waylay

neon salmon
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mug em and thug em? dastardly

tribal halo
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Mug is literally the answer to everything. Disciples? Mug. Angrygeists? Mug. Mutants? Mug. Guy looks at you funny on the street? Mug.

neon salmon
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can't wait for the answer to everything to pop up in the mk list again 😁

worthy sand
tribal halo
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See... funny story.
I wait for them to emote, I mug, vanish and then 1 shot punch them to the facehole.
Of course, that's if the mug knocks them down. Otherwise, I add a sweep in there for good measure so I can face punch harder.

worthy sand
zealous nimbus
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Don't miss

tribal halo
worthy sand
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worthy sand
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tribal halo
timid shuttle
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I walk into the room and I count the yellow things then I berserk

neon salmon
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lies, warriors can’t count

worthy sand
tribal halo
worthy sand
tribal halo
worthy sand
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isn't it way more points tho?

tribal halo
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Oh definitely, I'm creeping up on 3x. and am 75 MnE and 10 MnS atm.

pliant hatch
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Having spells is supposed to be better it costs way more points, KS is free

tribal halo
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Funnily enough. I spent the better part of this past year as Martial Mastery without KS. And weirdly enough, outside of deaths beyond my control, and just being plain stupid... I was OK.

gray sleet
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I'm also Martial Mastery without KS for RP reasons and do alright

hasty garnet
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RT defeats all (and UCS, just punch em in the face and they crumble)

lime swan
tribal halo
lime swan
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the Cloak of Shadows retaliates on my archery shots now

lime knot
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Incant 530

chilly valve
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Eww who uses that spell....

lime swan
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rogue archers are known for their skill with it

lime knot
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Incant 417 (it’s like their only elemental spell so you get it every time anyway)

lone tinsel
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Folks, please when hunting in HW, keep your group open. Cant tell you how many times went to rescue someone and cannot grab and then return them.

stoic venture
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[Hinterwilds, Hoarbriar - 29945] (u7503153)
Obvious paths: north, northeast, south, west, northwest
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With an ululating shriek, a bloody halfling cannibal leaps from the shadows and throws her wiry arms around X, fueled by panicked hunger!
   She is knocked to the ground!
   She is stunned!
>
[The GroupMovement flag is disabled for this area.]
You and your group stroll northeast, leaving a fading trail of silvery footprints in your wake.

Bugged the room.

worthy sand
pliant hatch
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Not all heroes wear capes (because they're too long for dwarves)

tribal halo
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Hah. Capes are cool.

marsh canyon
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I thought cloak of shadows was supposed to be melee only? The language implies that, and I'm sure that's been said in the past.

lime knot
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Cloak has always hit ranged. The only thing that changed was specifically disciples cloak was bugged and did nothing (to anyone. It would flare and cast no spell melee or otherwise). That got fixed.

chilly valve
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Do I just suck as skinning or is HW on an OTF level?
You ask Bramblefist if he would like to buy a woolly mastodon trunk.
Bramblefist takes the mastodon trunk, gives it a careful glance, then pays you 104 silvers.
!>
[eloot]>_drag #31410564 right
You remove a woolly mastodon trunk from in your herb kit.
!>
[eloot]>sell #31410564
You ask Bramblefist if he would like to buy a woolly mastodon trunk.
Bramblefist takes the mastodon trunk, gives it a careful glance, then pays you 166 silvers.
!>
[eloot]>_drag #31410563 right
You remove a woolly mastodon trunk from in your herb kit.
!>
[eloot]>sell #31410563
You ask Bramblefist if he would like to buy a woolly mastodon trunk.
Bramblefist takes the mastodon trunk, gives it a careful glance, then pays you 195 silvers.
!>
[eloot]>_drag #31410562 right
You remove a woolly mastodon trunk from in your herb kit.
!>
[eloot]>sell #31410562
You ask Bramblefist if he would like to buy a woolly mastodon trunk.
Bramblefist takes the mastodon trunk, gives it a careful glance, then pays you 136 silvers.
!>
[eloot]>_drag #31410561 right
You remove a woolly mastodon trunk from in your herb kit.
!>
[eloot]>sell #31410561
You ask Bramblefist if he would like to buy a woolly mastodon trunk.
Bramblefist takes the mastodon trunk, gives it a careful glance, then pays you 190 silvers.

frosty junco
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Nah it’s not just you. Bramblefist has purchased approximately 5,000,000 mastodon trunks in the last 24 hours

lime knot
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Are you hitting the head? I dunno what they’re selling for currently for not blowing up their dome.

chilly valve
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It might have been some leftover skins from last month as well, just seemed really disheartening

pliant hatch
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HW loot has been cooked since March and is never coming back

frosty junco
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It’ll improve a lot after sailor’s grief is released. Have hope!

Of course it won’t matter for me since I’ll migrate there once it is open

pliant hatch
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SG is going to be actually hard I don’t think many gemstone farming alts are moving out of HW lol

tribal quarry
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I'm sure it'll help a little, but yeah, getting Hinterwilds loot back to where it once was would involve like ten more Moonsedge type hunting grounds existing. Meaning something fairly easy and within range of major towns.

Edit: But as for Zhagen's question, you might also not be good enough at skinning and/or Trading and/or not hitting heads.

Bramblefist examines the mastodon trunk quickly and says, "I'd say it's worth about oh... I'll pay you 1,125 silvers for it."```


February 25, 2026 edit: In modern GS, you should neither skin creatures nor train Trading if you can reach loot cap without them. Both of those methods will get you to loot cap more quickly, which can be far more downside than upside.
marsh canyon
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To skin well you have to have at least 300 combined ranks of survival and first aid, and you have to not hit the area you are going to try to sell. What you get is also a combination of value and quality level. I save my good ones for bounties and sell the rest.

timid shuttle
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Someday...

stoic venture
# stoic venture ``` [Hinterwilds, Hoarbriar - 29945] (u7503153) Obvious paths: north, northeast,... 
[Hinterwilds, Issenflow Banks - 29886] (u7503106)

>w
[The GroupMovement flag is disabled for this area.]
You and your group stroll west, leaving a fading trail of silvery footprints in your wake.

>bug room;[The GroupMovement flag is disabled for this area.];Please fix this
[The GroupMovement flag is disabled for this area.]
Submitted bug "[The GroupMovement flag is disabled for this area.]" to play.net's bug tracking database under category "Room" with these details:
"Please fix this

Why are all of these rooms now ignoring this flag setting?

tribal halo
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Are they rooms you can slip in? Those rooms always broke it AFAIK.

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Not saying it doesn’t suck, but that might be the common denominator

stoic venture
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I'll have to check, I'm surprised I haven't experienced this before recently if that were the case though.

stoic venture
rain maple
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[SMR result: 157 (Open d100: 26, Bonus: 80)]
A niveous giant warg drives its hands deep into your abdomen, grabbing your spine and pulling it forward!  A loud *CRUNCH* later, you seem to be a little bit shorter and a whole lot deader.``` Sooooo, can wargs get some custom CM coup messaging?  Wargs with hands are nightmare fuel 😂
neon salmon
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til wargs know coup

rain maple
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lol yeah and they love it today. got me twice already

chilly valve
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Oh no my OTF PTSD coming back scream_goat
With inhuman swiftness and precision, a savage fork-tongued wendigo swings its feras tiger-claw at you!
AS: +527 vs DS: +456 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +72 = +165
... and hits for 9 points of damage!
Attack hits your throat but doesn't break the skin.
Close!

** As the blow lands, the feras tiger-claw unleashes a severe smiting of lightning! **

Your wiregrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the electrical damage!
... 24 points of damage!
Electric blast goes right to the heart! You'll miss that steady beat.

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(To be fair a tiger-claw wendigo sounds terrifying)

lime knot
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peak wendigo.
The name Wendigoat is AVAILABLE.

chilly valve
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Actual question, do any critters dual wield with TWC? I think we should add that
No defense but every action is a double slash

chilly valve
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Also, any new TWC dual axe wielders should be fitted with two Aggro weapons and Rage armor just to spite players

chilly valve
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I know golems eat crits for breakfast with like no damage but are really unkillable via crit? (Example is of 1 single golem below)
You beseech your ghezyte katana, causing violet flames to spring to life around it!

point kata at gol
You flip your ghezyte katana end over end until snatching it out of the air by the base. You take aim as the katana glows brightly with white and black energy!
[SMR result: 136 (Open d100: 69)]
The ghezyte katana glows brightly as it unleashes a large torrent of white and black energy!
** A beam of white-colored energy emits from the tip of your ghezyte katana and collides with a behemothic gorefrost golem's head! **

... 30 points of damage!
Horrifying jolt to forehead. Brain explodes in a stunning display of light!
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
A behemothic gorefrost golem raises its hands high, laces them together and brings them crashing down towards you!
[SMR result: 89 (Open d100: 85, Penalty: 43)]
You manage to dodge a behemothic gorefrost golem's blow!

timid shuttle
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Correct. It took me a bit to isolate one. ```You assault a behemothic gorefrost golem with an unrelenting fury!
You swing a gleaming rune-scribed maul at a behemothic gorefrost golem!
AS: +859 vs DS: +517 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +82 = +463
... and hit for 166 points of damage!
Left leg ripped from socket at the knee!
[SMR result: -23 (Open d100: 80, Penalty: 21)]
Despite desperate windmilling to catch its balance, a behemothic gorefrost golem topples toward you! You leap to the side and avoid being flattened as the golem topples over with a thunderous crash!
You swing a gleaming rune-scribed maul at a behemothic gorefrost golem!
AS: +859 vs DS: +431 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +3 = +470
... and hit for 148 points of damage!

** Necrotic energy from your rune-scribed maul overflows into you! **
You feel energized!
You swing a gleaming rune-scribed maul at a behemothic gorefrost golem!
AS: +859 vs DS: +420 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +99 = +577
... and hit for 246 points of damage!
Massive blow smashes through ribs and drives the gorefrost golem's heart out the back.
You swing a gleaming rune-scribed maul at a behemothic gorefrost golem!
AS: +859 vs DS: +411 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +83 = +570
... and hit for 218 points of damage!
Right hip pulped, severing the leg.

** Necrotic energy from your rune-scribed maul overflows into you! **
You feel energized!

** Cast in radiant outline, a massive silver fist closes tight around the gorefrost golem! **
... 10 points of damage!
Blow to back cracks several vertebrae.
You swing a gleaming rune-scribed maul at a behemothic gorefrost golem!
AS: +859 vs DS: +401 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +56 = +553
... and hit for 187 points of damage!
Hard hit shatters weapon arm.
The conflagration of rage continues to burn within your soul, reinfusing you with an onslaught of unstoppable wrath!
A rush of silent thunder explodes outward from the golem as the power animating it disperses.
A behemothic gorefrost golem appears somehow different.```

shrewd tangle
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there seems to be a bug with the inquire system. i cant get a sled ride back to icemule

The conductor refuses to take you to Icemule Trace because you did not arrive from there.
>order 2
The conductor refuses to take you to Ta'Illistim because you did not arrive from there.```
chilly valve
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Hinterwilds now owns you.... She saw you cheating on her with Sailor's Grief so she is locking that up pronto

shrewd tangle
cyan lynx
shrewd tangle
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in a group

cyan lynx
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That makes sense.

south hazel
# 
You inquire with the conductor about hiring a caravan.  The conductor says, "I can currently connect you to the following destinations:

  1) Icemule Trace
  2) Ta'Illistim

If you would like to ORDER a trip to any of these destinations, please do so by its number now."
>order 1
The conductor refuses to take you to Icemule Trace because you did not arrive from there.
>order confirm
You must ORDER a trip before you can CONFIRM it.  Please INQUIRE to see a list of available destinations.
>order 2
The conductor refuses to take you to Ta'Illistim because you did not arrive from there.
>```
south hazel
inland parcel
#

Weird bug with Gigas Skalds:

>kill
You swing a xazkruvrixis morning star at a grim gigas skald!
  AS: +911 vs DS: +620 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +36 = +361
   ... and hit for 153 points of damage!
   Deft strike to abdomen penetrates several useful organs!
A whirl of spiritual energy streaks down from above, creating a dully illuminated mantle around a ghostly gigas skald's form.
The dully illuminated mantle surrounding a ghostly gigas skald's form seems to gain some cohesion.
The dully illuminated mantle surrounding a ghostly gigas skald's form seems to gain some cohesion.
The dully illuminated mantle surrounding a ghostly gigas skald's form seems to gain some cohesion.
A faint silvery light flickers from the shadows.
A faint silvery light flickers from the shadows.
A faint silvery light flickers from the shadows.
A faint silvery light flickers from the shadows.

Excruciating pain lances through your hand as the smooth bone ring on your disfigured finger is awakened!  Necrotic energy, in the form of an ichor green haze, trickles from your ring and encircles a grim gigas skald, strangling its lifeless remains until a spectral gigas skald is squeezed into existence!

The conflagration of rage continues to burn within your soul, reinfusing you with an onslaught of unstoppable wrath!
A grim gigas skald raises a hand as if to grasp for support as he collapses, life going out of his form.
A white glow rushes away from a grim gigas skald.
```Fighting these guys keeps giving me a message of "Your songs fail to renew" a minute or so later too
I'm not a bard. I'm a Paladin.
cyan lynx
#

Huh.

tribal quarry
#

While rifling through the mutant's belongings, you find a silver-veined black draconic idol wrapped carefully in rags as if it were a precious trinket.
Haven't found one of these in months, I think, but they still exist!

hasty garnet
#

Song of power explosion in the pipe den, 3 people die, nobody even says anything, lol

chilly valve
#

That explosion was actually impressive
You are caught by the effects!
Weeping darkness, a translucent emerald green shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
... 1 point of damage!
Light shock to head. That stings!
(Saved by Pally Standard of my own making!)

frosty junco
stuck blade
#

The stench of the pipe den keeps everyone that enters in a fugue state until their mind clears and they regain their senses and run away suddenly without saying a word.

hasty garnet
# 
A tattooed gigas berserker is unaffected! 
A grim gigas skald looks at you in utter terror! 
A heavily armored battle mastodon looks at you in utter terror! 
A tattooed gigas berserker looks at you in utter terror! 
A niveous giant warg looks at you in utter terror! 
A niveous giant warg looks at you in utter terror! 
A tattooed gigas berserker looks at you in utter terror! 
A niveous giant warg looks at you in utter terror! 
A tattooed gigas berserker looks at you in utter terror! 
A heavily armored battle mastodon looks at you in utter terror! 
A niveous giant warg looks at you in utter terror! 
A niveous giant warg looks at you in utter terror! 
A brawny gigas shield-maiden looks at you in utter terror! 
A brawny gigas shield-maiden looks at you in utter terror! 
A heavily armored battle mastodon looks at you in utter terror! 
A tattooed gigas berserker looks at you in utter terror! 
A heavily armored battle mastodon looks at you in utter terror! 
Roundtime: 3 sec.
``` who knew it would be jumpin at 4:30 on a tuesday
pliant hatch
#

There was an 18 person group in there earlier, probably unrelated

timid sundial
#

not a huge fan of the huge hw groups. several of my alts can't handle the large swarms. even better when the huge group walks in and is all surprised, "oh my! you died! how'd that happen! do you need a hand? but hey i just happen to have an empath and cleric here who can save you!"

chilly valve
#

This is why they should never have made meteor swarm 100% player friendly..... imagine all the chaos, imagine all the fun grinch

tribal halo
chilly valve
#

There is also your pathing to consider, during normal times going into the henge or great hall areas is fine but sometimes they become 25+ critter death traps if they don't get cleaned out

tribal halo
#

Symbol of return is the only way to go back to town.

hasty garnet
#

Is there an ability that makes gigas sometimes immune to lightning? I feel like I have only noticed this tonight, but who knows

lime knot
#

what do you mean? They have always had a chance to reactively become immune to an element when hit by it. Something like, besides that? Wildire cancels that out so if you normally run it and just aren't now

hasty garnet
#

In response to the crackling electricity, a tattooed gigas berserker's skin seems to discolor and harden, lending the berserker unnatural durability! Yeah I guess I never noticed this before heh -- I now have some always on blessing lore zaps, but honestly I probably killed things before it became an issue beforehand

lime knot
#

yeah that's always been there. they can go immune to multiple so if you're a wizard and inexplicably not running wildfire oil they can go immune to everything besides tonis bolt (lol unbalance). Though obviously they usually just die before going immune to like 6 elements

hasty garnet
lime knot
#

Basically. But "giant" ™

-# * gigas are not giants and are not contracually obligated to work for Sigils for the three non-voln hunters in HW

worthy sand
#

is there a point at which the ooze that grows from oozelings vs being spawned has loot? or do those ones never have anything?

chilly valve
#

I feel like those grown oozes never have loot as a guardrail for abuse

pliant hatch
#

They can drop heirlooms, that's all I care about

chilly valve
#

Anyone else miss the old grizzled slime takeovers?

neon salmon
#

lol, that happened to me not too long ago

opal pine
pliant hatch
#

Trenchlings are a good bounty too but trenchlings are actually dangerous

opal pine
#

The fact that oozelings count for credit on cull tasks makes for very short squad bounties.

chilly valve
#

Friday oh Friday....
A niveous giant warg lunges at you, maw slathering as it tries to take a ferocious bite!
AS: +520 vs DS: +385 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +85 = +227
... and hits for 8 points of damage!
Deft slash across chest draws blood!
You take a deep breath.
!R>
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!

tribal halo
#

That looks like so much fun

near arch
pliant hatch
#

HW balance pass when, let's clear some of these 8m exp characters out of here. Sorry little buddy, back to Nelemar with you

neon salmon
#

yeah what's with the level 96 creatures? is this an ascension zone or what? bump those cannibals up to 106

tribal halo
#

I feel like those cannibals can easily clear out some 8m characters, though!

pliant hatch
#

Cannibals can catch anyone slippin

near arch
neon salmon
worthy sand
# 
A flayed gigas disciple treads heavily across the ground, her ragged shroud swirling about her as she surveys the surroundings.  Despite the dripping, raw flesh of her exposed muscles, she is calm and quiet as she settles into a fluid battle stance.

Silently, you inhale and prepare your diversion.
[SMR result: 168 (Open d100: 46, Bonus: 11)]
You throw your voice behind a flayed gigas disciple and the disciple's attention is diverted by the noise!
Roundtime: 2 sec.

Silently, you inhale and prepare your diversion.
[SMR result: 147 (Open d100: 26, Bonus: 11)]
You throw your voice behind a flayed gigas disciple and the disciple's attention is diverted by the noise!
You come to a halt as your momentum stops.
Roundtime: 2 sec.

Zeal twisting her features, a flayed gigas disciple raises a raw and fleshless hand overhead and draws it down, her shattered fingernails slicing open a tear in the fabric of the world.  Skeins of maddening hue twitch on the other side of the anomaly as it widens obscenely, sucking air into the deranged unknown beyond!
Writhing, milky tentacles burst forth from the tortured spatial anomaly, grasping blindly through the areas they glisten with vile humors.
[SMR result: 209 (Open d100: 94, Bonus: 39)]
With an agonizing crunch, a cold tentacle wraps around Taloin's abdomen and constricts violently as it whips him back toward the void!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Solid abdomen grapple, stomach bruised!
   He is knocked to the ground!
Though Taloin falls free from the predatory limbs, the tumultuous energies of the spatial anomaly tear at Taloin, warping his flesh!
   ... 25 points of damage!
   Flesh and muscle stripped from Taloin's stomach.```
#

do we have a reason why two newly-spawned disciples that were successfully diverted DIDN'T leave? cause it got Taloin killed. is this a bug, maybe?

chilly valve
hasty garnet
chilly valve
#

Cannibals, the #1 alt killer 😡

#

And wargs a close 2nd, literally walked into a room today.... open roll hamstring, stunned, 2 ticks of bleed later, warg coups me for the other half of my alt's Health..... No AS/DS just straight 2 manuevers in like 5 seconds

neon salmon
hasty garnet
#

I've found the easiest place to carry my mediocre alts is.. ::checks notes:: sailor's grief?!

rain maple
#

Wargs love couping me with their body horror hands, and i generally laugh at my character's misfortunes, but those hands are nightmare fuel shockedpika

hasty garnet
#

oh wow I actually had a forage bounty outside the village - Alchemist must be starting his jamon business, looking for black acorns

lime knot
hasty garnet
#

🤷 those rooms must have been scavanged already then I suppose

opal pine
#

You have been tasked to help SORCERER retrieve an heirloom by suppressing behemothic gorefrost golem activity in the Hinterwilds near Cold River during the retrieval effort. You need to kill 15 more of them to complete your task.

Love these tasks, because golems are so ignored. Doing my duty!

timid sundial
# 
You also see a tattooed gigas berserker, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a niveous giant warg, a tattooed gigas berserker, a grim gigas skald, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a grim gigas skald, a brawny gigas shield-maiden, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a tattooed gigas berserker, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, an elated island spirit that is flying around, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a green and pink zoisite, an immense fel-hafted handaxe, a gold-tipped heavy spear, a gold-tipped heavy spear, a dark red-violet garnet, a gold-tipped heavy spear, a grey-streaked malachite stone, a niveous snowdrop and a table leg.
Obvious paths: northeast, southeast, southwest, northwest```
my alts are crying
neon salmon
#

tears of joy, i assume

chilly valve
#

Probably should just block off that room from your alts to be honest

timid sundial
#

EVERY room is like that lol.. auchand broke something

Dried leaves whisper a dry susurrus as they skitter trepidatiously past shuttered businesses and boarded homes to either side of the street.  The shadows of the ash trees planted in loamy beds along the center of the row stretch long and strange in the moonlight.  Their leaves have almost filled the bed of a wagon that sits unattended in the middle of the roadway, forlornly dangling broken leather straps that ought to be attached to horses or mules.  You also see a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a horned basalt grotesque, a horned basalt grotesque, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a horned basalt grotesque, an infernal death knight, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, an infernal death knight, an infernal death knight, a horned basalt grotesque, an infernal death knight, an infernal death knight, an infernal death knight, a horned basalt grotesque, an infernal death knight, a horned basalt grotesque, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, a horned basalt grotesque, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee and an infernal death knight.```
chilly valve
#

It only stops when the first enhancive is found

timid sundial
#

hehehe look at all those death messages

shrewd tangle
#

omg its a dream come true

chilly valve
#

We could probably have more of that but people would abuse it to sell da silvas so no fun things

#

Better question is did anyone find any enhancives???

tribal quarry
#

I'm getting a pile of 84 boxes opened now, so I'll know soon.

chilly valve
#

send in the botsmiths!!!

craggy flame
#

something enhanced Lorminstra's temple. or the need for more of them.

#

Haha

craggy flame
shrewd tangle
#

where's the SG swarm :*(

chilly valve
#

ohh, im seeing lots of jewelry in these boxes from the loot boost 🤤

tribal quarry
#

Jewelry never stopped. Just jewelry that the gemshop wouldn't buy!

chilly valve
#

What would you say based on experience is the enhancive rate per 100 jewelry? (5 per 100?)

tribal quarry
#

Not sure, never tracked it to that degree.

#

Yeah, no enhancives or valuable pawnshop stuff. And the rooms are back to normal by now. RIP fun. 😢

inland parcel
# 
You swing a perfect ebony-hafted morning-star at a snowy warg packmother!
  AS: +864 vs DS: +323 with AvD: +31 + d100 roll: +80 = +652
   ... and hit for 298 points of damage!
   Massive blow punches a hole through the warg packmother's chest!

Excruciating pain lances through your hand as the smooth bone ring on your disfigured finger is awakened!  Necrotic energy, in the form of an ichor green haze, trickles from your ring and encircles a snowy warg packmother, strangling its lifeless remains until a ghostly warg packmother is squeezed into existence!

The conflagration of rage continues to burn within your soul, reinfusing you with an onslaught of unstoppable wrath!
A snowy warg packmother rolls over onto her side with a whimper before surrendering to death.

...
You also see a ghostly warg packmother that appears stunned.
``````an alabaster warg pelt (2)```
chilly valve
tribal halo
#

So we discovered a hilarious thing just now....

Is it ever technically daytime in Hinterwilds?

stoic venture
#

For 6 months of the year

Unless we're living on a flat Elanthia.

cyan lynx
#

It's never daytime in the Hinterwilds.

#

During the summer, you can see a tiny bit of sun.

tribal halo
#

We knew and yet still... somehow... womp womp. LOL

marsh canyon
#

New resting place behind the tavern: Slayer's Solace. Back patio with a fire pit and some benches.

tribal halo
#

It's not a node, fyi!

lime swan
#

that must be really bad for the plants

upbeat zephyr
# 
[Ojandhaart, Riverwalk - 29909] (u7503310)
Smaller clusters of longhouses look out over the frigid waters of the Issenflow, which laps at the dark shores of the village.  Several serpent-headed boats are beached along the waterside, along with great oars made from spruce.  One close to the river is peppered with tiny arrows which, despite their small size, are buried deep into the wood of the hull.  You also see a grim gigas skald, a brawny gigas shield-maiden, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a grim gigas skald, a niveous giant warg, a tattooed gigas berserker, a tattooed gigas berserker that appears stunned, a heavily armored battle mastodon that appears stunned, a tattooed gigas berserker that appears stunned, a heavily armored battle mastodon that appears stunned, a brawny gigas shield-maiden that appears stunned, a heavily armored battle mastodon that appears stunned, a niveous giant warg, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a grim gigas skald, a grim gigas skald, a tattooed gigas berserker, a niveous giant warg that appears immobilized, a brawny gigas shield-maiden, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a tattooed gigas berserker, a grim gigas skald and a brawny gigas shield-maiden.
Obvious paths: northeast```

Holy smokes folks, what are you doing out here tonight. Didn't get an action in between game lag and instant rt lock 😂
fading shard
#

/shakes fist at Auchand!

stoic venture
#

I don't see a problem.

marsh canyon
#

That's not a problem, it's an opportunity.

abstract umbra
#

Kills me every time. The large groups moving around just rile it all up.

stoic venture
#

Are you hunting solo? This is an ascension group area.

tribal halo
#

Sounds like you weren't using maximum effort.

marsh canyon
#

Whether you are in a group or not is a choice, not a requirement. Rock on solo hunter, pick your battles.

upbeat zephyr
stoic venture
tribal halo
#

Intention != requirement.

stoic venture
#

I don't see where I used the word requirement anywhere. I see a guy complaining about groups in an area where the designer stated he intended the area to be small group hunting.

marsh canyon
#

They've said that about every single post cap hunting area since the scatter. There is nothing outside of the boss fights that from a design perspective requires or even encourages groups in HW. It's just a cool hunting area.

stoic venture
#

I think that depends on your profession. But I agree it's the best hunting area.

tribal halo
#

You literally responded to Kerl, who was not complaining, who stated it was a choice to group. My bad for assuming you replied to the correct comment. 👍

stoic venture
cyan lynx
#

I still like the feel of small group hunting, but if I had it all to do over again, I'd probably make Ascension for solos and small groups, then make it more difficult for large groups.

stoic venture
#

How do you define "large group"

cyan lynx
#

Over 5 characters?

stoic venture
#

I approve of this message.

opal pine
#

Double it, and give it to the next person

tribal halo
#

Cap groups at 4!

chilly valve
#

MA cube is the most efficient setup...
3-man squad 1, 2, and 3 (All professions except the terrible monks)

stoic venture
#

You can share a bounty task within a group of 5. I agree that 5 is a good group limit.

fading vessel
#

did the tavernkeeper join an union? why is he taking so many breaks now

marsh canyon
#

He's on the back porch.

charred harness
#

5 it is! This is the way 🍻

ashen tapir
lime swan
#

are you concerned they will just put a person in most rooms if they split the MA group

hasty garnet
#

Add this to Yet Another Cheap Mechanic That Will Never Be Fixed:

So normally when a mob enters a room, that takes some amount of "RT," i.e. that mob will wait a few seconds before performing its next move. Critters riding on the back of mastodons have no such "RT," as the mastodon is doing the work. So they can come into a room and the immediately hit you with no warning. Very nice!

chilly valve
#

That actually seems logical, the question shouldn't be when are they going to nerf Gigas combat mounts but when are they going to give players combat mounts....

charred harness
#

Come to think of it.... Auchand should probably buff the Knights and Vampires... they're feeling a little left out here

hasty garnet
#

One Cheap Mechanic That Will Never Be Fixed at a time please. Keep yours in the Moonsedge thread

broken otter
neon salmon
stoic venture
# 
Bloodstained light spills down from the heavens in an undulating deluge, bathing a grim gigas skald bathed in a sanguine aura's form in a cascade of transcendent power!
You search the gigas skald.

With a vicious strike you slash at a shining winged disir bathed in a sanguine aura's right leg!

I would like to not see the Bloodstained light spills down on every search. I think it's also a lot of repetitive bathed in a sanguine aura.

With 5, which I believe is considered a "small group".

hurls a stream of fire at a roiling crimson angargeist bathed in a sanguine aura!
DS: +590

hurls a stream of fire at a shining winged disir bathed in a sanguine aura!
DS: +655

The bolt DS is scaling very high.

Spreading her resplendent wings, a shining winged disir bathed in a sanguine aura thrusts down at you with a shining metallic spear!
  AS: +760 vs DS: +319 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +67 = +540

As is the AS scaling.

Wizard gestures at a withered shadow-cloaked draugr bathed in a sanguine aura.
An airy mist rolls into the room, carrying a harsh chill with it.
  CS: +531 - TD: +529 + CvA: +18 + d100: +86 == +106

TD becomes unhittable with a "standard" build.

Sorcerer gestures at a colossal boreal undansormr bathed in a sanguine aura.
  CS: +558 - TD: +521 + CvA: +25 + d110: +46 == +108

Somewhat enhanced sorcerer build.

cyan lynx
#

Hrm, yeah, search can probably be exempt from that.

#

I don't know if there needs to be a visual identifier, either, with regard to the aura.

#

Did you use 413?

stoic venture
#

CS: +531 - TD: +499 + CvA: +18 + d100: +48 == +98

No 413. This is the first TD I find in logs. +30 TD increase at 5.

#

DS: +478
+51 DS increase vs bolts. (draugr)

DS: +474
+181 DS increase vs bolts. (disir)

#

~
Melee DS:
DS: +717 Ooze
DS: +870 Disir
DS: +792 Disir hamstringed

Bolt DS:
DS: +675 Disir
DS: +603 Ooze
DS: +588 Ooze

#

It feels not as punishing in Eldur/Ojand. It's kind of nice to have them slightly more beefy.

Spawn numbers feel okay, the biggest room so far has had 11. (Which is nice to come across!) Most have 1-3.

I didn't notice a huge difference in spawn rates in the Pits. Which I would expect to be better. But if they remain with the huge defensive boosts, I won't be going there as a group. I would probably start testing what it looks like if I cancelled a character to avoid the DS boosts which makes the creatures immune to some characters. (If they can't hit, no point in having them.)

I mainly use disablers for groups of enemies, not a single enemy that gets a bunch of extra TD/DS.

tribal quarry
#

Oh, going with DS/TD scaling instead of resistance?

cyan lynx
#

I reduced the padding on them in favor of small DS/TD boosts, but am not sold on the change.

#

They do have some scaling padding though.

stoic venture
#

~
TD: +495 - Normal
TD: +562 - Boost w/ 5
Mutant TD

#

Is 5 characters the smallest boost?

# 
You thrust with a triple-tined ghezyte harpoon at a quivering sanguine ooze bathed in a sanguine aura!
  AS: +908 vs DS: +898 with AvD: +31 + d100 roll: +30 = +71
#

I should have tested it before logging out, but I wonder if you can just disband group when you get the crazy high DS/TD and then fight and then regroup and move on.

tribal quarry
#

tl;dr: Bring back padding/resistance, but I have a suggestion for tweaks to it after explaining why DS/TD buffs won't work.

Give me a sec so people don't have to download a text file...

stoic venture
#

You gotta break that up girlfriend

tribal quarry
#

It looks kinda terrible unless it's downloaded, yeah. Alright, fixing in multiple parts:

Hopefully I can explain this adequately.

I forgot this in my previous feedback, but I actually liked the resistance idea even though its scaling was a bit too severe--and the reason I liked it is because it seemed like an elegant solution since I assumed that DS/TD scaling would never work.

Here's why.

For the sake of the argument, the max reasonably sustainable extra melee AS you can wrangle out of a perfect group composition is in the realm of 130. It can be a bit more with really good Coup de Grace rolls or really hyperfocused lores, but let's just say Coup de Grace gives 30, Zealot gives 45, Kai's Triumph Song gives 25, Benediction gives 15, and Side by Side gives 15. However, that's the added AS given to professions who have none of those normally; for any profession that does have those normally, subtract that amount of AS and you're basically only left with monks, rangers, and war pures benefiting, none of whom have particularly good melee AS.

So I assumed that using a DS boost to counteract group strength would either A) be minimal enough to get overpowered by a sufficiently AS-focused group or B) be high enough to account for those AS-focused groups, inadvertently shutting out insufficiently AS-focused groups, namely ones that are lacking two or more of those.

That's if people are just blindly swinging, of course. The alternative expectation might be that a group could simply debuff DS by hundreds, but that would only be true if either A) the group includes a warrior for Carn's Cry, which certainly isn't guaranteed, or B) single-target immobilizers like Moonbeam, Web, or Subdue are sensible because the group is focusing on killing rooms of one or two creatures at a time, which seems unlikely since then they probably wouldn't be grouping.

#

The other alternative explanation is that maybe a group is supposed to overpower with FOF, but that assumes people have a bunch of Transcend Destiny, which is only even possibly true when talking about groups not composed entirely of--well--the exact demographic most likely to be reading this channel every day and replying to it frequently. Even then, even if they do have a bunch of Transcend Destiny, offering FOF as the player solution to a DS buff would be a strange or possibly self-contradictory concept because FOF is a DS pushdown clashing with the very DS that the game mechanics are increasing to offset groups. At that point, might as well just leave DS alone and not have FOF apply because it would be the same outcome.

That's all melee AS. Bolt AS and ranged AS are worse off because they don't benefit from Zealot or Side by Side.

As for CS, the only AoE TD pushdown I know of is Mass Interference, so it's even worse off than bolt AS. Other than that, a similar story to AS, but more problematic. Even assuming that unlikely scenario I mentioned that a group is killing one or two creatures at a time, the group that would need to debuff DS by hundreds at least has Web on 8 out of 10 professions and so probably has a single-target immobilizer, but a group that would need to debuff TD by dozens needs a sorcerer or bust. The only TD debuff options at all are Curse, Elemental Saturation, and Interference (Mass or otherwise), with those latter two being from different spheres and so only counting half as effective for other spheres, which means you really need all of them at once.

So then it comes back to FOF again for TD and the same reasoning as before applies why it won't work.

#

Resistances/padding, on the other hand, are a pretty clean solution where everyone can continue doing their thing; if they could fight the creature before, they still can, but might just need to hit more times. The padding was far too extreme in the last implementation, though, so I'd say for the next round, try either:

A) capping the crit padding at something much lower than it was

or

B) (if this is even possible) creating a form of crit padding in which the damage remains unchanged, but the crit is reduced. (That's opposite to how, say, myrmidon padding works, where a lethal crit is still lethal even if it's reduced to 1 damage. I'm saying to render a lethal crit non-lethal, but let it still do full damage--again, if possible.)

The latter idea is probably in line with what groups have fun with because then everybody can get their shots in. People in groups (talking multiple players here, not MAing) generally try not to hog kills, which they wouldn't if they were mostly doing sheer damage instead of crit killing.

stoic venture
#

I like option B.

shrewd tangle
#

i think option b is better as well. from having run 7 people in test, attacks using smr were the only reliable ways ways to do damage

cyan lynx
#

Agreed. I think what I'll probably do is eliminate the TD mod, keep a significantly reduced DS mod, and tweak up the padding just a tad.

crisp basin
#

Is the groupmovement flag supposed to be disabled in parts of HW? Or is that a bug?

stoic venture
# 
You thrust with a triple-tined ghezyte harpoon at a colossal boreal undansormr!
DS: +524
>
You disband your group.
Your group status is now closed.
>
You thrust with a triple-tined ghezyte harpoon at a colossal boreal undansormr!
DS: +474
# 
A shining winged disir freezes, overwhelmed by the strength of the holy incantation.

The winged disir is stunned!

You hurl a stream of fire at a shining winged disir!
  AS: +625 vs DS: +665 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +87 = +85

Light blossoms in a shining winged disir's eyes, shining and splendorous, as she regains control of her body.
A shining winged disir slings a gleaming golden aegis over her shoulder.
Gilded brilliance twinkles along the edges of a shining winged disir's metallic spear as she swings it at Wizard!
  AS: +726 vs DS: +572 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +7 = +196
   ... and hits for 95 points of damage!
   Shot to neck sends Wizard into shock which leads very quickly to death.

 * Wizard drops dead at your feet!

Disabler was used. They just ignore them, and they can't be STOMPed to be knocked down.

# 
Bloodstained light spills down from the heavens in an undulating deluge, bathing a quivering sanguine oozeling's form in a cascade of transcendent power!

Boosted at 4.

# 
Bloodstained light spills down from the heavens in an undulating deluge, bathing a withered shadow-cloaked draugr's form in a cascade of transcendent power!

Boosted at 3.

# 
Bloodstained light spills down from the heavens in an undulating deluge, bathing an eyeless black valravn's form in a cascade of transcendent power!

Boosted at 2.

#

Isn't the boost supposed to be for groups > 5 characters?

tribal quarry
#

That tripped me up too, but I double checked and the designation of 5 characters as a small group was actually referring to how the spawn rates are supposed to affect the play experience and had nothing to do with Ascension buffs: #mechanics message

stoic venture
#

If it were "ascension buffs" it would apply to solo characters.

#1057019583686520942 message

Auchand: I still like the feel of small group hunting, but if I had it all to do over again, I'd probably make Ascension for solos and small groups, then make it more difficult for large groups.
Alastir: How do you define "large group"
Auchand: Over 5 characters?
tribal quarry
#

Oh, interesting.

cyan lynx
#

I've always considered 5+ characters grouped together to be a lot.

stoic venture
#

You can share bounties in a group of 5.

#

I'd appreciate some clarification on what the goal is so I can evaluate how many characters I will keep, based upon that goal.

Currently on test, ALL grouping is penalized when I was under the impression that "large groups", defined as over 5 characters, would be penalized.

cyan lynx
#

I wouldn't say grouping is "penalized." It's just an extra challenge and well within a group's ability to handle.

stoic venture
#

That depends on which area you're hunting in and what profession the character is. Some attack methods are penalized challenged more than others.

It seems to deviate from what has been stated so far.

cyan lynx
#

Elaborate on the first statement?

stoic venture
#

The pits were already difficult. I was not expecting increased difficulty in my "small group" and my bolter becomes ineffective to the point of doing little to no damage, either from the padding increase, or from the DS increase providing immunity.

Also, as a bolter, the wizard is required to go into offensive stance, which means the creatures that cannot be "locked down" can and will one shot him, as shown in the caption above.

It feels different in Eldur/Ojand where the creatures weren't already at the top end of offensive/defensive abilities.

cyan lynx
#

I significantly reduced the bolt spell DS piece of the buff earlier today.

stoic venture
#

I tested again after you stated you changed the buffs.

That Wizard AS is with 211, 215, 1007, 307, symbols and full enhancives with some ascension enhancive training. There aren't any other levers to pull.

# 
22:54:16: You hurl a stream of fire at a shining winged disir!
22:54:16:   AS: +625 vs DS: +601 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +96 = +158
22:54:16:    ... and hit for 19 points of damage!
22:54:16:    Minor burns to back.  Looks uncomfortable.
22:54:16: As the fire strikes the ice block surrounding a shining winged disir, a rush of steam is released!
22:54:16:    ... 1 point of damage!
22:54:16:    The winged disir flinches from the spurt of hot steam to her left arm.
22:54:16: The block of ice encasing a shining winged disir's lower half melts away.

22:54:17: Spreading her resplendent wings, a shining winged disir thrusts down at X with a shining metallic spear!
22:54:17:   AS: +728

11PM

cyan lynx
#

What's the disir's current situation there? 912'd and on the ground?

#

I just want to know what setup steps you took to lower its DS, etc.

stoic venture
#

Opened with 1015, 512, because it's Immune to Stomp/909, it will shake 316/Stun. Would normally hamstring but there were other targets in the room, so had to prioritize.

There are other options I could try, but this works as things are currently. Which is what I expected things to be like, based upon being in a "small group".

If the goalpost is moving to "all groups" will face a greater challenge, which is different than what I've read so far, that's fine. I just want it to be clearly stated that's the goal and what is being worked toward so I can make informed choices.

marsh canyon
#

Disir are difficult generally. I almost always start them by disarming that nasty spear, that will put them in RT and allow me to attempt some maneuvers. Is this live or just on test still? Sounds challenging.

stoic venture
#

Test only.

I will modify some tactics and test again.

My biggest "issue" is that I want to know where the delineation is going to be for group size and penalties. What is currently on test is not what was stated.

chilly valve
#

What is more fun? Whacking at a tanky disir who just keeps absorbing blows and eventually dies or whacking a less padded disir with more defense and you miss most of the time but get in one good crit?

cyan lynx
#

I think #1.

chilly valve
#

I agree, plus #1 is flarestone compliant

outer tide
craggy flame
#

Flare Compliance - are you wearing enough?

chilly valve
stoic venture
# 
>order 4
Sparkfinger gets a fiendish grin on his face as you ask about Wildfire Oil.  He says, "Those gigas things are
big, mean, and they adapt to almost anything you throw at them.  Well, not if you put this stuff on your 
weapons!  You should try it out!"
If you'd like to order this service for a cost of 6 gigas artifact fragments, ORDER CONFIRM within 30 
seconds.
>
>order confirm
Sparkfinger looks about in confusion.  "You'll need a weapon for me to put Wildfire Oil on it," he says.

Can this be applied to a shield in addition to a weapon?

I have a character that uses a wand and a shield. So there's no way to apply this that I'm aware of.

earnest pagoda
#

So has anyone MAd the Wyrm?
I pretty much solo hunt but could group a few guys to go after it..

Never done it yet, the Wyrm

lime knot
#

i mean it's honestly not that complicated really. like you can focus on more optimizing specifics but as long as you have people who can hit it in flying and do enough damage it'll just die for the most part. have someone try to keep it webbed, have someone breeze or call wind for the acid cloud maybe and other than that you can probably just like... kill it. part of my assumption for simplicity here is assuming a boat load of exp and potentially gear cause shattered

but specifically yes afaik dreaven and others all did all or most of their own gem quests w/ their respective dudes

earnest pagoda
#

I saw leafis how to...so that helps too

lime knot
#

so debuffs obviously help especially for CS casters, the td can be nutty. so in general if you just need more help to let everyone do damage like... remember all those things exist. so 413/715/lol mystic strike from a monk/etc. 412 exists also takes down AS, and yeah all that i forgot that page exists.

#

trying to keep it in roundtime/web weill get you there as long as you have at least 2 people that can put out a lot of damage on it so if you have that sorted for less ready people just making sure you get a single hit on it to get your contribution credit you can just have them spam 118/912/whatever

earnest pagoda
#

Nice

lime knot
#

things can obviously go sidewise. you can really try to minimax stuff if you want to optimize for ensuring debuffs are active / people are not CC'd / healing / etc. but yeah. that or just throw bodies and spam CC you'll probably succeed more often than not. People have solo'd it which takes a lot more gear and work lol but i mean, if that's POSSIBLE (even with nutty kits) obviously having 5 warm bodies is enough

earnest pagoda
#

I'll probably try solo once just to see the ins and outs a bit

chilly valve
#

Hell yeah, keep them coming.... The solo experience
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!

#

(Need to make some of the ascension critters have a spawn AOE like how war griffins will screech you sometimes when they spawn)

marsh canyon
#

I feel like the revised spawn mechanic leaves things a little light. It took me 2x as long to fill a critter quantity bounty. Also, it feels less chaotic and less random, and I feel like critter gen should feel unpredictable and with more variation. I will also say that unplanned consequences need to be considered, especially when changing such a long standing system. Good luck!

cyan lynx
marsh canyon
#

I'll do some more hunts and get back to you. It may be that it was because I was the only one in the region, so if fewer hunters means lower numbers, then maybe the individual numbers need a little uptweak.

tribal halo
#

Can you possibly turn the Greatchamber up to 11? Thank you. ❤️
(yes this is mostly a joke... mostly)

tribal quarry
#

On a totally separate note, Wyrmslayer titles when? 👀

tribal halo
#

Formal request for "Wyrmslayer Lite" title if we do them. 👍

chilly valve
#

Not before my 5/10 and 10/10 transdestiny titles dangit!

marsh canyon
cyan lynx
#

That's good. I'm gearing up to release Champion's Apotheosis, too!

charred harness
chilly valve
#

The joys of kneeling down to forage for a herb with 10 RT when you see a clear HW room only to have 6 critters immediately run in and start whacking at you..... it's like they wait for you to try it

pliant hatch
#

There are HW herb bounties that aren't in town? lol

earnest pagoda
#

So struggling with the area that is ANGARGREFT

Wyrm says it's over there.... ran everywhere and never saw the Ballista

Any help here

chilly valve
earnest pagoda
#

Is the great chamber part of ANGARGREFT?

tribal quarry
#

Yes, but not for ballista purposes. The upstairs areas are where it would be.

earnest pagoda
tribal quarry
#

Gardens and Berserker's End.

earnest pagoda
#

Sonofa..lol

Didn't go towards berserkers

tribal quarry
#

The outdoor areas, basically, because that's where the wyrm can fly down to.

earnest pagoda
#

Duuu..I'm not as familiar with the inside.. outside....so now I know and it's marked

Thanks as always Leafi

tribal quarry
#

Welcome!

stoic venture
# 
>order 4
Sparkfinger gets a fiendish grin on his face as you ask about Wildfire Oil.  He says, "Those gigas things are
big, mean, and they adapt to almost anything you throw at them.  Well, not if you put this stuff on your 
weapons!  You should try it out!"
If you'd like to order this service for a cost of 6 gigas artifact fragments, ORDER CONFIRM within 30 
seconds.
>
>order confirm
Sparkfinger looks about in confusion.  "You'll need a weapon for me to put Wildfire Oil on it," he says.

Please make this a character buff if Wizards are going to have to pay a bolting tax when hunting the gigas.

I have a character that uses a wand and a shield. So there's no way to apply this that I'm aware of.

pliant hatch
#

Auchand just so you don't lose track of it from the CA thread: since HW opened it's been the case that hitting a gorefrost golem with a fire spell produces messaging about vulnerability to fire, but it doesn't seem to do any more damage to them. Also golem related: when they apply their SLOWED debuff, it doesn't show up anywhere you can track (ie the Debuffs window), even if we aren't going to be able to dispel it it would be great to see it under Debuffs

# 
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a behemothic gorefrost golem.
You hurl a roaring ball of fire at a behemothic gorefrost golem!
A behemothic gorefrost golem is vulnerable to the heat!
  AS: +452 vs DS: +282 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +26 = +218
   ... and hit for 34 points of damage!
   Minor burns to left leg.  That hurts a bit.
The roaring ball of fire strikes a behemothic gorefrost golem, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.
A behemothic gorefrost golem is vulnerable to the heat!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Burst of flames to abdomen toasts skin nicely.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You grunt a short phrase of dwarven incantations as you prepare the Fire Spirit spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at an immense gold-bristled hinterboar.
You hurl a roaring ball of fire at an immense gold-bristled hinterboar!
  AS: +452 vs DS: +398 with AvD: +46 + d100 roll: +92 = +192
   ... and hit for 32 points of damage!
   Burst of flames to left arm burns skin bright red.
The roaring ball of fire strikes an immense gold-bristled hinterboar, blossoming into a much larger sphere of flame upon impact.
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Burst of flames to left arm burns skin bright red.

 ** Necrotic energy from your fireleaf staff overflows into you! **
   You feel energized!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.```
Golem has vulnerability messaging, but the golem and hinterboar both get the same 10 splash damage from the ball. Similar endroll and damage results between the two shots also
fair comet
#

I always thought perhaps it was working, but the effects aren't obvious due to the built-in padding the golem probably has - meaning any other element would've done just 1 damage; but maybe you're right, I suppose the effect could be entirely broken

vague venture
#

Has anyone else seen drop issues with gigas fragments recently? I've been on a couple of long hunts now and haven't found a single fragment.

zealous nimbus
#

I just refilled from 5->20 like 30 minutes ago

crisp basin
#

Zero of them in two hunts

vague venture
#

Yeah, my whole group is just seeing incredibly slow accumulation. Perhaps the drop rate was tweaked?

zealous nimbus
#

I was able to fill up in 1 long hunt in the greatchamber, but it's possible its buggy elsewhere. I was solo though not sure if the new group mechanics might be impeding collecting as a group

vague venture
#

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering.

opal pine
#

My squad is staying stocked fine

tribal halo
#

I filled up in a group of 2 in about 10m earlier in Fjallalahahart

crisp basin
#

I've gotten a grand total of two now, whether grouped or solo, between Ojandhaart and the Burrow

tribal halo
#

I have noticed in the past when I joined like a big wyrm group and cleared a ballista I wouldn’t get many, if any fragments. I don’t know if that equates but it’d usually be 10+ mobs.

Autocorrect is doing me so dirty tonight misasigh

vague venture
#

Incredibly bad luck for us?

cyan lynx
tribal halo
#

I don’t know if it’s bad luck or maybe something wonky but it would be weird if— oh hi Auchand.

vague venture
tribal quarry
#

Fragment drop rates appear to be based on combat contribution, similar to exp gain, except that it also only counts people in the room. That part was always the case.

The new factor is that combat contribution seems to be very affected in a group context with Champion's Apotheosis in play if you're using primarily crit-based attacks. For some workarounds, you could either A) have the person most in need of fragments do the bulk of the work so they're more likely to get fragments or B) have everyone else leave the room except the person most in need of fragments while that person loots, then they come back after.

crisp basin
#

It seems like it might be an area bug. We were all getting them as expected in Eldurhaart, but not in Ojandhaart

tribal quarry
#

Ahh, the classic "technically different creature profiles" thing from Fjallarhaart way back when...

crisp basin
#

And solo in the Burrows, there would've been no reason for "doing the bulk of the work" as a solo to reduce it to zero

tribal quarry
#

I haven't checked in on the Burrows since the spawn changes, but it used to be mostly undansormrs and those don't drop fragments. Oozes that also drop into the Burrows do, though, so if those weren't, that would be a problem.

tribal halo
crisp basin
#

Maybe just unlucky with the oozes I came across, to be fair I was mostly after undansormrs. I didn't know they won't drop fragments. But Ojandhaart definitely seems like it needs a look after CA.

Very few fragments for anyone in the group when we were there, but dropping as normal across the whole group when we moved to Eldurhaart to test it out.

vague venture
#

thanks for sharing all that Meli!

charred harness
#

Anytime I do get them while clearing the ballista, it's because normal area creatures spawned while clearing.

tribal halo
chilly valve
#

175 jewelries checked...... 2 enhancives found......

fair comet
#

sounds about right

opal pine
# 
You ask the gemcutter to appraise an ebon winternight sapphire.
The gemcutter says, "Sorry, Kaetel, I'm not buying anything this valuable today.  Maybe tomorrow."```

> It is estimated to be worth about 20,000 silvers.
tribal quarry
#

#1057019583686520942 message

You ask Kahlyr to appraise an ebon winternight sapphire.
The jeweler Kahlyr says, "Sorry, Leafiara, I'm not buying anything this valuable today.  Maybe tomorrow."

~~Tempted to~~ I've now bugged this since jewelers will pay up to 50k for jewelry, so why not gems? :thinking:
 
Leafiara — 12/14/2024 2:11 PM
The jeweler Kahlyr takes the red dreamstone buckle, gives it a careful examination and and says, "I don't have that much spare silver, so I will have to give you a bank note for it."  She then hands you a Vornavis promissory note for 47,880 silvers.
 
Kaetel — 12/14/2024 2:32 PM
Huh, that's weird. I've gotten notes for gems over 21k: #1057019583686520942 message

Leafiara
I've also gotten notes for gems over 21k, but 25k appears to be too much. At least I'm fairly sure that's the limit, since I passed it off to a character who doesn't have max Trading and...

The jeweler Kahlyr takes the winternight sapphire and inspects it carefully before saying, "I'll give you 24,948 silvers for it if you want to sell."
Shimmering runes for Glamour appear in the air before you, then explode into a shower of sparks.
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
You compose your thoughts and open your mind, projecting a subtle aura of allure.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
You ask Kahlyr to appraise an ebon winternight sapphire.
The jeweler Kahlyr says, "Sorry, Sariara, I'm not buying anything this valuable today.  Maybe tomorrow."```
opal pine
#

The Trading tax!

tribal quarry
#

On another note...
I know Wyrmslayer titles are planned, but how about sybil titles? I have like infinity valravn quills and disir feathers and nothing to do with them. 👀

earnest spire
#

I've been throwing quills/feathers away. I'll try to stuff them into the herb box in the Pipeden, but it's usually full... so into the trash they go.

tribal halo
#

There. Is. A. Perfectly. Good. Storage. Case. That. Is. Completely. Empty. You. Butt.

chilly valve
#

Do Draugrs usually get up to 830 AS or is that just when Leafiara is around lol?

earnest spire
#

Nah, that is just normal. They can surge or whatever.

chilly valve
#

shhhh, I need a scapegoat for my death

earnest spire
#

Okay it's probably Covert Arts then.

winged raven
# 
[SMR result: 100 (Open d100: 38, Bonus: 7)]
A small point of polychromatic light forms in midair near an eyeless black valravn but quickly dissipates without effect.
[SMR result: 445 (Open d100: 382, Penalty: 7)]
An eyeless black valravn vaporizes into a swirl of cold, black mist that streaks toward you in a blur of shadowy, intangible feathers!  The vaporous cloud penetrates your magical defenses and washes over you in a chaotic onslaught!
Dark motes wink into being and spin erratically around you.
Limned in radiance, a translucent bright white shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
Feathery swirls of murky darkness manifest around you to intercept the elemental attack and mitigate its damage!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Blood vessels in eyes burst!
   You are stunned for 1 round!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Small patches of right forearm disappear into red mist.
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Minor muscle tearing on your right leg.
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Small veins in your neck burst, the blood flows freely.
Feathery swirls of murky darkness manifest around you to intercept the elemental attack and mitigate its damage!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Abdomen swells, internal organs rupture!
Limned in radiance, a translucent bright white shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
Feathery swirls of murky darkness manifest around you to intercept the elemental attack and mitigate its damage!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Abdomen swells as the air rushes away from it!
Feathery swirls of murky darkness manifest around you to intercept the elemental attack and mitigate its damage!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Blood vessels in arm burst!
Limned in radiance, a translucent bright white shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
Feathery swirls of murky darkness manifest around you to intercept the elemental attack and mitigate its damage!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Fingernail explodes!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Large lesions sprout on your weapon arm.
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Minor muscle tearing on your left leg.
Limned in radiance, a translucent bright white shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
Your grass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the freezing damage!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   An icy blast to the back!  Sleeping will not be easy tonight.
Your grass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the freezing damage!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Chilly blast to the chest causes heart to skip a beat.
An eyeless black valravn dwindles back into its avian form.```

this is some really bad luck immediately followed by some really good luck
earnest spire
cyan lynx
#

Goodness.

charred harness
#

That was wild

frosty junco
#

Wow, 12 separate hits from the deathnado. And you lived to tell the tale!

#

Deathnado is one of those critter attacks for which damage padding is really amazing. If you have bad luck and take a few deathnados in a row, it can easily prevent the loss of 100+ HP (and be the difference between life and death)

tribal halo
#

Did you like go get a frosty beverage while you waited for death?

cyan lynx
#

A player made a comment about gigas fragments not dropping. Has anyone else been experiencing that?

tribal quarry
#

Working fine for me, but the comment was about Ojandhaart and I don't hunt there, so can't speak to that.

charred harness
#

They don’t spawn from ballista spawned gigas. That was a tangent from the same discussion.

Not sure if that’s intentional.

frosty junco
#

Loot is destroyed in ojandhaart permanently because it is a gemstone farming frenzy. I believe loot pressure impacts gigas drop rates, so the zone is always bad for fragments

pliant hatch
#

Loot in HW was great from May 2022 until March 2025 and it's never coming back

crisp basin
inland parcel
#

Hmm. What's up with the frostling? I tried giving him food, drinks, a stick, a winterberry from his room...and all of it was rejected with a message I haven't seen before: "You have nothing suitable to offer Bittergale." This is different from when he just rejected it because he was full. I'll go try something from the tavern next, I guess. (Well, he's gone now, so the next time.)

cyan lynx
#

He likes clothes!

#

Cheap clothes, specifically.

inland parcel
# 
You grab a red winterberry from one of the small rune-stitched pockets inside of your samite cloak.
>give fros
>
You don't have anything suitable to offer Bittergale.
>stow r
You tuck the red winterberry into one of the small rune-stitched pockets inside of your samite cloak.
>get brea
You can't pick that up.
>get cid
You grab a mug of spiced winter cider from one of the small rune-stitched pockets inside of your samite cloak.
>give fros
You don't have anything suitable to offer Bittergale.
>stow r
You tuck the spiced winter cider into one of the small rune-stitched pockets inside of your samite cloak.
>get bread
You grab a loaf of baked bread from one of the small rune-stitched pockets inside of your samite cloak.
>give fros
You don't have anything suitable to offer Bittergale.
>```

You stoop down and hand your baby blue slippers to Bittergale. Its glowing eyes light up with glee and it quickly throws it on, extolling your virtues in a voice like silver bells.```

stoic venture
timid sundial
#

hey peeps, I found what appears to be a lost item inside a coral red satchel on the ground in the Fjallarhaart Ruins (someone forgot to use MY maybe?). DM me with a description of the lost item to get it back o/

cyan lynx
#

It isn't my sanity, is it?

timid sundial
#

sorry, you're not getting that back!

cyan lynx
#

Sigh.

stone reef
ashen tapir
#

So the last half dozen times i've visted Bittergale, i've gotten this message when i'm making my usual offering. Is this because she's all shared out?

You don't have anything suitable to offer Bittergale.```
#

and then I notice she's acting like a town guard

>
Bittergale says, "You have been tasked to hunt down and kill a particularly dangerous colossal boreal undansormr that has established a territory in the Hinterwilds near Cold River.  You can get its attention by killing other creatures of the same type in its territory."```
chilly valve
#

that is mighty strange

cyan lynx
#

That is really weird. I'll take a look. I assume Bittergale has always been like that.

#

I'll expand the list of what you can give to Bittergale.

ashen tapir
#

I'm confused. I've been using foraged sticks since the beginning. Why did that suddenly stop working?

inland parcel
tribal halo
#

He discovered the magic of layering and shimmer trinkets

marsh canyon
worn cobalt
#

He should really build some more bonfires around HW!

ashen tapir
#

So really no reason, or rp, it's an arbitrary change that she doesn't like foraged items now

cyan lynx
#

It was always intended that Bittergale trade cheap clothing for the buff, but there was a bug that a player pointed out.

#

I don't mind expanding the list of what Bittergale will take.

inland parcel
#

Food/drink would be good again

crisp basin
#

And forageables, please

ashen tapir
#

Thanks for clarifying auchand

lime swan
#

What's this?

Chunks of rock explode in the sky over the Hinterwilds and come falling to the ground but disappear from view before they hit anything.

#

Something is afoot!

A sparkling explosion of dark grey rises over the Hinterwilds and lingers in the air chaotically before scattering quickly over the area and disappearing. The speed of the occurrence almost implies a sense of urgency.

lime swan
#

Oh, I see. the gemstone mission has been migrated to QUEST

#

Make sure to do QUEST STATS!

ashen lynx
#

I hunt HW primarly. So its weird that i didn't notice this before... wargs have coup de grace?!

cyan lynx
#

Yurp.

rain maple
#

they sure do lol. and sometimes, they have nightmare hands

ashen lynx
ashen tapir
#

yes

ashen tapir
#

anyone figure out something we can forage for to give to Bittergale yet?

tribal quarry
#

The red fox walks up to a roiling crimson angargeist with a curious look on her face.

worn cobalt
strange crow
# cyan lynx It was always intended that Bittergale trade cheap clothing for the buff, but th... 
You don't have anything suitable to offer Bittergale.
>give fros
You don't have anything suitable to offer Bittergale.
>drop grid
You drop an onion-topped mushroom griddlecake.

>get my blous
You remove a supple hazel blouse from in your pack.
>

>give blous to fro
You don't have anything suitable to offer Bittergale.
>drop blou
You drop a supple hazel blouse.
>get hood
You remove an ivory white satin hood from in your pack.
>give hood to fros
>
You don't have anything suitable to offer Bittergale.

>get bow
You remove a supple fiery red bow from in your pack.
>
>give bow to fros
You don't have anything suitable to offer Bittergale.```
#

Tried a foraged stick too haha

austere wigeon
#

;go2 alchemist, order 2, order confirm.
Maybe order 4 while you're there. Shame the fire oil can't keep you warm in lieu of the slush.

cyan lynx
#

All things I'll keep in mind for the Ascension hunting review, for sure.

strange crow
#

Kind of a huge advantage to go away even if it's just being able to use fragments for transport instead of spending an impossible-to-hold-at-once amount on sparky's non-stacking buff over 16 interactions

crisp basin
#

Frostling is still only one hour, so the lack of things to hand over suddenly even when the frostling shows up is kind of frustrating

strange crow
#

Ah okay only 1 hour, that's still kinda huge though haha

cyan lynx
#

I don't intend for him to remain in this state.

#

Just bear with me until Christmas break. 😛

autumn sun
#

I don't think this disir completed his transition from GS3 to GS4..

You swing a black temporal arming sword at a shining winged disir!
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
A shining winged disir's aura absorbs some of the damage!
  AS: +723 vs DS: -400434825 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +32 = +400435609
   ... and hit for 814512 points of damage!
   Slash to the winged disir's ribs opens a sucking chest wound!
A burning rage awakens within you, setting your synapses ablaze and igniting your combat prowess!
Deafening silence crashes down over you.  A flash of blinding white light erupts from the disir, leaving her afterimage seared into your eyes.
Blinding light explodes from the disir's eyes and mouth as her wings spread, unfurled by the throes of her agony.  The radiance sears her shadow onto the ground behind her as she topples backward, lifeless.
The licks of blue flame surrounding a shining winged disir flare up one last time before vanishing with a staticky crackle.
A shining winged disir loses the flickering energy surrounding her.
A shining winged disir seems to lose some focus as her eyes narrow and shift momentarily to one side.

 ** Necrotic energy from your temporal arming sword overflows into you! **
   You feel energized!
Roundtime: 4 sec.```
ashen tapir
ashen lynx
#

Just picturing Rolfard putting that calculator to work!

cyan lynx
#

Regarding Bittergale, is he not accepting cheap clothing?

# 
You stoop down and hand your cloth trousers to Bittergale.  Its glowing eyes light up with glee and it quickly throws it on, extolling your virtues in a voice like silver bells.

In a whisper, Bittergale adds, "We frostlings take care of our friends!"  It gestures at you surreptitiously, and you suddenly feel less battered by the driving wind.```

Because he did for me!
cedar charm
#

He has never refused my Frostweed

ashen tapir
#

Basically won't accept any clothes the pawnshop will buy. And I haven't found any foragables that work. Haven't tried frostweed today though

pliant hatch
#

Auchand, have you made any changes to the Hypothermia mechanic recently? In the last couple of weeks I'm taking a lot more hits from it on my 202 Survival characters than I remember. I basically didn't have to care it existed at 202 since the area opened.

worn cobalt
#

It seems like its been hitting harder/faster just antidotically from what I've seen but no numbers to back it up.

tribal quarry
#

It stacks faster when it’s snowing, which it seems to be like almost all the time lately. Maybe because of the time of year, not sure. (LOOK UP while outdoors to see.)

cyan lynx
#

Nothing recent.

pliant hatch
# 
Your spellsong is ready.
You weave another verse into your harmony, directing the sound of your voice at a brawny gigas shield-maiden.
  CS: +538 - TD: +409 + CvA: -10 + d100: +92 == +211
  Warding failed!
You focus your voice on a brawny gigas shield-maiden's golden targe with perfect resonance, causing it to shatter into thousands of tiny pieces!
A brawny gigas shield-maiden is unharmed by the impact!
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
[custom/bigshot]>stance offensive
You are now in an offensive stance.
>
[custom/bigshot]>aim eye
You're now aiming at the right eye of your target when using a ranged weapon, or while ambushing.
>
[custom/bigshot]>fire #401361225
You nock a golden olive faewood arrow fletched with light brown feathers in your brown sephwir longbow.
You take aim and fire a golden olive faewood arrow at a brawny gigas shield-maiden!
A brawny gigas shield-maiden's aura absorbs some of the damage!
  AS: +610 vs DS: +370 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +42 = +320
   ... and hit for 40 points of damage!
   Well aimed shot almost removes an eye!
   The gigas shield-maiden is stunned!

 ** Necrotic energy from your brown sephwir longbow overflows into you! **
   You feel healed!
The scintillating red light surrounding the arrows fades some.
The arrow breaks into tiny fragments.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.```This thing suddenly gained the anti-MA'er aura and I'm hunting solo. Wonder if the becoming resistant to element thing is tripping something?
opal pine
#

What da heck. Never been crit killed by the HW wind before:

   ... 30 points of damage!
   Icy blast leaves you blind in one eye.  But you won't need eyes 
anyway!```
Only around mid 20's hypo stacks too
torn meadow
#

It is a harsh and unforgiving land .

vestal niche
#

so i just started my Survival/FA journey and am 1x Survival with no FA... still can't skin anything in HW. Does it get any better at 1x/1x or should i expect to push past 1x before i'm able to skin anything?

chilly valve
vestal niche
#

i wouldn't care but having to pass on all the skinning bounties is getting frustrating

chilly valve
#

yeah, same here you definitely need to go beyond 1x/1x for the best experience.

lime knot
#

at least survival isn't like a dead skill anymore and it's good to 2x for other things. i mean it always kinda was but especially with the reduction to disables.

vestal niche
#

yah, the disables reduction is why i started training it, i completely forgot that it would open me up to skinning tasks so now i'm doing FA to try to make skinning semi-viable before i 2x Survival heh

marsh canyon
#

2x/2x allows you to skin nearly 100% of the time, with a high quality. As a side note, I keep a lot of high quality/value skins at my shop in Icemule. They're priced at 3x assessed value, so you can decide for yourself if you want to just finish the task, or want ad many BPs as possible.

stuck blade
#

I have a character at 1x/1x and they eventually finish a skinning bounty after a few hunts

My empath is 3xfa/2xsu and she finishes every skinning task the first hunt without trying. I never aim and have tons of flares to cause lots of wounds.

dire moat
#

Quite a few folks already know about this area/writing, but figured some others might get a kick out of it (and the "Gigas goggles" I made)

At the top of a rough-hewn spruce ladder, the nest of the watch post looks out over a sea of white-capped trees.  The timbers of the foundation creak and groan, and the makeshift building sways in the breeze.  You also see a dog-eared old tome.

>look at tome
>
The tome looks extremely old, its pages warped by frequent brushes with moisture.  On its leather cover is a tall, muscled warrior picked out in golden thread.
There appears to be something written on it.

>read tome
The writing on the old tome shimmers slightly as you peer through your silver-framed spectacles, each glyph shifting into a form you comprehend.
In the Gigas language, it reads:
The Tale of Thoden Stronk```
lime knot
#

hang on let me just put on my gigas readers

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dire moat
#

And that solves the alteration idea!

cyan lynx
dire moat
#

I'm looking forward to some Gigas graffiti

autumn sun
fair comet
#

this was fun!H>quest complete You come out of hiding. You have completed The Faithful Hound! [You have gained 2,411 instant experience!] [You have gained 2,589 field experience!] [You have gained 10,000 fame!]

strange crow
# 
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a stunted halfling bloodspeaker.
  CS: +553 - TD: +448 + CvA: +25 + d100: +82 == +212
  Warding failed!
 ... and hits for 36 points of damage!

** A swirl of alchemical fire, scintillating blue and orange in hue, erupts from your wooden scepter! **

A stunted halfling bloodspeaker's aura absorbs some of the damage!
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Nasty burns to chest make you wish you never heard of heartburn.
   The halfling bloodspeaker is stunned!
A stunted halfling bloodspeaker is suddenly engulfed in flames of pure essence!
A stunted halfling bloodspeaker's aura absorbs some of the damage!
   ... 50 points of damage!
   Skin and some muscle burnt off chest.
A stunted halfling bloodspeaker's aura absorbs some of the damage!
   ... 70 points of damage!
   Icy blast deep freezes one perfectly good heart!
A stunted halfling bloodspeaker's eyes bulge as she stares toward the heavens, mouthing a gurgling prayer as she succumbs to death.
The blood red haze dissipates from around a stunted halfling bloodspeaker.
The halfling bloodspeaker appears a bit less vulnerable.
You feel 2 mana surge into you!```
Another data point for enemies getting the anti-MA aura versus solo players @cyan lynx
cyan lynx
#

Hmm.

#

Can you see when the aura was applied?

#

It always has a message.

strange crow
#

Pulling logs, please stand by haha

strange crow
#

That looks to be it, I found a whole bunch of instances of it in my logs, the common factor seems to be another player entering the room right before I attack

cyan lynx
#

Yes.

#

Okay, I'll look into it.

strange crow
# cyan lynx Okay, I'll look into it.

Thanks. I've seen that bloodstained light before but never made the connection that that's what it was haha! Another one from my paladin:

Thin, ruby red lines of energy creep along the ground before Sinistral of Tyranny Daenamaryllis, heading southwest.
You hear very soft footsteps.
You hear very soft footsteps.
[bigshot]>feat excoriate #410695767
You notice a bloody halfling cannibal botch an attempt at concealing himself.
Bloodstained light spills down from the heavens in an undulating deluge, bathing a stunted halfling bloodspeaker's form in a cascade of transcendent power!
You level your mithril khopesh at a stunted halfling bloodspeaker and call down the excoriating power of Kuon to smite him!
[SMR result: 223 (Open d100: 76, Bonus: 79)]
A curtain of auroral light descends, roiling with incandescence and shot through with wavering tendrils of verdancy.
Caught within the numinous manifestation, a stunted halfling bloodspeaker is dealt a scathing blow!
A stunted halfling bloodspeaker's aura absorbs some of the damage!
   ... 35 points of damage!
   Terrifying surge of plasma reduces the halfling bloodspeaker's head to burnt meat.
A stunted halfling bloodspeaker's eyes bulge as he stares toward the heavens, mouthing a gurgling prayer as he succumbs to death.```
Didn't help him much
chilly valve
#

When are we going to get some official Gigas artwork?

tribal quarry
earnest spire
#

I can hear this picture.

cyan lynx
#

But also:

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earnest spire
#

Wait. We're killing... Santa?

cyan lynx
#

Not if you believe in him?

#

But I feel like it's worth noting that the Snow Elves disappeared before the gigas were released. Things that make you go "hmm."

vague grotto
#

Is tethered strike supposed to work on cannibal jumping into the shadows?

As you move to attack a bloody halfling cannibal, the cannibal shrinks away from you, baring sharpened teeth as he darts into the shadows!
The bolt streaks off into the distance!
Roundtime: 2 sec.```
earnest spire
#

Yeah, that has been pointed out before. Maybe bug it.

chilly valve
#

With inhuman swiftness and precision, a savage fork-tongued wendigo swings its feras dagger at you!
AS: +523 vs DS: +473 with AvD: -18 + d100 roll: +70 = +102
... and hits for 1 point of damage!
Blow slides along your ribs.
Almost tickles.

** As the blow lands, the feras dagger unleashes a damaging blast of lightning! **

... 24 points of damage!
Electric blast goes right to the heart! You'll miss that steady beat.

lime knot
#

If mobs ever figure out how to use the pawnshop we are so screwed.

zealous nimbus
#

You're safe in HW

lime knot
#

Something something ancient gigas magic can replicate FWI jewelery

lone tinsel
#

ok..how do I re-equip a gemstone after amplifying it?

#

I have tried a variety of command sequences to no avail

#

never mind...gem collect worked

lone tinsel
#

Soooo, it is intended when giving a 1000 tip to the scoundrel to get asked for more?

crisp basin
#

Yes, that’s the new locksmith pool fee

opal pine
#

Tip is different from the fee

mystic hull
#

They’re all scoundrels now

lone tinsel
#

LOL

crisp basin
lone tinsel
#

Well the first box allowed just the 1000 tip. LOL

opal pine
#

You may have had enough silver on you already, but every box given to the pool has two components now. You submit a tip, and it informs you of the fee and total (fee + tip) that will be charged

lone tinsel
#

Aye, that is what I see.

chilly valve
#

You are struck by an acute sense of vulnerability.
Spreading her resplendent wings, a shining winged disir thrusts down at you with a shining metallic spear!
AS: +664 vs DS: +581 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +89 = +207
... and hits for 93 points of damage!
** Blow to eye impacts the brain.**
Every dam time......

#

When we gettting the adamantium skull Elite Ascnession perk??

stuck blade
#

Wear some full plate.

lime swan
#

puncture resists!

tribal halo
#

GS version of Death by Snu Snu.

lime swan
#

it's no lance, but similar idea. this is 40% puncture resist

Some lathonian leather partially deflects the onslaught of the puncture attack.
  AS: +826 vs DS: +754 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +75 = +184
   ... and hits for 1 point of damage!
   Minor strike to the neck.```
stuck blade
#

Been awhile since I've had a pile up

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ashen tapir
#

This was lucky?

A shrouded glade rests beneath a vast heart tree aglisten with thousands of icicles.  Illuminated by the aurora's refracted light, the frigid baubles glisten and glow in resplendent colors, casting the snowy clearing in tremulous shards of cool color.  The tree, a hoarbeam of impossible age and girth, has been carved with a facsimile of a face.  Beads of frozen resin gleam golden from the corner of each graven eye.  You also see a glacial blue-green frostling and a narrow breach in the surrounding trees.
Obvious paths: none

You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!```
lime swan
#

Bittergale almost killed you in a fit of rage, but you were able to calm him back down

thick wing
#

...man I love petty revenge.
Soaring by on inky wings, an eyeless black valravn rakes at you with its talons!
AS: +600 vs DS: +597 with AvD: +23 + d100 roll: +99 = +125
... and hits for 1 point of damage!
Poked in the tummy.
Hehehe.

** A trio of translucent amber-and-charcoal ocelot kittens springs forth from your soot-stained chainmail, bounding across the ground to gnaw and scratch viciously at an eyeless black valravn before dissipating with a chorus of squeaky growls. **
... 30 points of damage!
Blast leaves bloody trench of bone and brains along side of skull!
As the radiance dims around black valravn's body, its shadow stretches long and strange as unsettling silence fills the air. Heralded by a sound like the stirring of great wings, the noise of your surroundings crashes back down upon you, more noticeable for its brief absence.
An eyeless black valravn tumbles to the ground, landing in an awful tangle of talons and feathers.

hasty garnet
# 
An immense gold-bristled hinterboar scrapes the ground with one forehoof before lowering its huge head.  It barrels into a mighty charge, hooves pounding across the ground as it races toward you.  An immense gold-bristled hinterboar hurtles into you at full force, sending you sprawling!
   ... 3 points of damage!
   Minor puncture to the right arm.
===Thrown by the impact, your corpse sails northwest!===
Roundtime: 20 sec.``` This does not, in fact, send me northwest
cyan lynx
#

Bittergale should be more discerning about what they accept from now on. (There was an issue where they could technically take things from your left hand that you might not have planned on if both hands were full.)

cyan lynx
hasty garnet
#

also I was not technically a corpse

cyan lynx
#

Fixed that.

lime knot
#

Man i totally just checked for a * Duffield was just put on ice! message when you said that

cyan lynx
inland parcel
#

Typo in the gigas disciple chaotic anomaly here (after the ...):

With an agonizing crunch, a cold tentacle wraps around Player's abdomen and constricts violently as it whips him back toward the void!
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Hard blow to stomach knocks Player back and winds him.
 * Player drops dead at your feet!
The bright luminescence fades from around Player.
...
The oozing, tumorous tentacles drag 's broken form back into the  as they retreat!
Player is sucked into the void!
  Rather abrupt decompression causes Player to explode!
  Billions and billions of tiny bits of flesh shower everything.
  Quite severely dead.```
hasty garnet
# cyan lynx Fixed that. 
An immense gold-bristled hinterboar scrapes the ground with one forehoof before lowering its huge head.  It barrels into a mighty charge, hooves pounding across the ground as it races toward you.  An immense gold-bristled hinterboar hurtles into you at full force, sending you sprawling!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Minor puncture to the left leg.
Thrown by the impact, you sail eastward!
[Hinterwilds, Issenflow Banks - 29885] (u7503105)``` confirmed 💥
ashen tapir
#

pretty sure this is a bug
Trahald says, "Ah, so you're from the Adventurer's Guild? Yes, we do have a task for you. We've noted a troubling increase in niveous giant warg activity in the Hinterwilds near Cold River. We'd like you to help Rolfard rescue a missing child by suppressing niveous giant warg activity in the Hinterwilds near Cold River during the rescue attempt. Killing 18 of them should do nicely. Report back to me when you are done."

cyan lynx
#

Better help yourself.

ashen tapir
#

The bug being there are no child tasks in HW

timid shuttle
#

They got eaten. It's not a bug

chilly valve
#

How does one defend again this?
With a quick lunge, a niveous giant warg tries to hamstring you with its jaws!
[SMR result: 207 (Open d100: 192, Penalty: 3)]
Your size contributes considerably to your defense!
With a vicious strike a niveous giant warg slashes at your right leg!
... 35 points of damage!
Deft slash to your left leg digs deep!
Bone is chipped!
You fall to the ground grasping your mangled right leg!
You are stunned!
Blood sprays from your right leg in a crimson arc!
... 19 points of damage!
3 Seconds Later...
[SMR result: 112 (Open d100: 83, Bonus: 52)]
A niveous giant warg drives its hands deep into your abdomen, grabbing your spine and pulling it forward! A loud CRUNCH later, you seem to be a little bit shorter and a whole lot deader.

opal pine
#

Don't get open rolled, ez.

chilly valve
#

I guess I need to hire a warrior to fit my leg greaves with slash resist. Will that reduce the bleed severity?

lime knot
#

Sure wouldn’t. Hamstring specifically bypasses it.

tribal quarry
#

Symbol of Transcendence!

Edit: Well, for the Hamstring part. I think it wouldn't save you from the Coup... maybe? Never tried that.

slate crane
#

Doesn't training in Hamstring (IF you can) provide some defense?

frosty junco
verbal cloak
#

Weird why would bounties for heirlooms for Valravn be search?
You have been tasked to recover a bronze diopside-inset bracer that an unfortunate citizen lost after being attacked by an eyeless black valravn in the Hinterwilds near Cold River. The heirloom can be identified by the initials CU engraved upon it. SEARCH the area until you find it.
These guys have loot... shouldn't heirlooms be looted from them?

opal pine
#

Because they're birds.

verbal cloak
#

I thought search bounties were reserved for critters that don't carry loot. I get boxes, gems, silvers, etc off valravns.

opal pine
#

You're right that generally the rule is that things that drop loot also have LOOT heirloom bounties. But I think that mostly a side effect of, generally speaking, animal mobs not dropping loot.

cyan lynx
#

Caw.

tribal quarry
#

There are other exceptions here and there. Earth elementals and greater earth elementals in the Bowels are also SEARCH heirlooms even though they drop gems.

verbal cloak
#

That makes more sense to me. What about Kiramon?

ashen tapir
#

may we request that animated (730) Mastadons perform stomps as well as they do when 'alive'? it would save a lot of time for sorcerers who like tremors support and travel to Solhaven to collect a monstrosity that literally casts the same spell as Mastadons before they are animated

ashen tapir
#

Basically asking for mastodons to be stronger...let that sink in

neon salmon
coral pulsar
#

Just want to be sure I'm not missing a different area of HW that bloodspeakers/cannibals might be in besides the Boreal Forest?

#

Does the hidden path towards Fjalalala and Hoarbriar have the Forest stuff? or is that a mix?

opal pine
#

Mix

coral pulsar
#

I saw a Valvran there...I was like...NOPE

lime knot
#

They don't spawn there but can leak out so you can always do a drive by checking. Cannibals and bloodspeakers can spawn or wander anywhere between the villages (besides the hoarbriar, though i guess they could technically still wander into there)

coral pulsar
#

Did Charms become Gemstones?

lime knot
#

yes

coral pulsar
#

Ahh - I was picturing them like those wineglass charms...hang 'em on your weapons. Give some effects. Makes sense that they turned to gemstones. Charms for inside your body.

tribal halo
#

I kinda wish they'd remained charms. And you wore them. And they made little tinkling noises when you moved.

lime knot
#

I make little tinkling noises when i move. Am i a charm?

coral pulsar
tribal halo
opal pine
#

What's the flare rate on monk charms?

cyan lynx
tribal halo
#

Can you imagine all the beefy wyrmslayer running around making delicate tinkling noises?!

jovial spear
#

Auchand do you even love us anymore? we need a 1613 anchor point for rescues in HW!

strange crow
#

There are anchor points, they just don't work 🙂

At least not for BESEECH

jovial spear
#

this should be addressed! our spells are important!

coral pulsar
#

This place just has some really beautiful gems!

The gemcutter Zirconia takes the wintersbite pearl, gives it a careful examination and hands you 9,040 silver for it.```
tribal halo
#

HW has gems after the 7th? nerfbat 💀 🐴

coral pulsar
spark ravine
verbal cloak
#

Since this is a disir critter ability, do we know if this was mitigated at all by my kroderine soul magical redux?

A shining winged disir's eyes glow with silvery grey light, and then everything around you shimmers to match the argentine color.
  CS: +487 - TD: +364 + CvA: +5 + d100: +78 == +206
  Warding failed!
  Your spirit quails beneath the onslaught of power as waves of sacred energy tear through your body!
   ... 41 points of damage!
   ... 12 points of damage!
   Plasma scorches a hole in your weapon arm!
   You are stunned for 1 round!
   You are driven to your knees!
   You strain as if burdened by some invisible force.```
#

Looking at it, that seems magical, but also seems like it hit way harder than the redux of 40.30% magical

#

Also, this seems to be reduced by my magical redux, but the last damage hit might be bypassing?

  CS: +497 - TD: +358 + CvA: +5 + d100: +56 == +200
  Warding failed!
A nebulous haze shimmers into view around you, plunging inward to envelop your head!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Flesh stripped from both cheeks, leaving dimples.  How cute.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Poor strike removes hair from head, but little else.
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Hair and flesh stripped from side of head!
   You are stunned for 1 round!
Cloudy tendrils writhe throughout your form, ravaging you for 40 points of damage!```
strange crow
verbal cloak
# strange crow It's a paladin spell

You sure?


A shining winged disir focuses her luminous gaze upon you!
A shining winged disir silently mouths an incantation that does not seem to be in any language you know.

You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by a faint lucky feeling.
  CS: +487 - TD: +418 + CvA: -27 + d100: +45 - +5 == +82
  Warded off!
The invocation does not affect you.

https://gswiki.play.net/Shining_winged_disir

strange crow
verbal cloak
#

Ok, does 1615 bypass magic redux then? Should I bug it?

strange crow
#

Not that I know of, it was a 205 endroll

#

Most recent example I can find for comparison:

The light flares to brilliance in a radiant fulmination!
You summon forth additional strength to aid your spell in penetrating the defenses surrounding the flesh monstrosity.
A pillar of green-streaked amber radiance manifests around a patchwork flesh monstrosity.
  CS: +463 - TD: +325 + CvA: +25 + d100: +85 == +248
  Warding failed!
  Waves of sacred energy tear through the flesh monstrosity's body!
   ... 76 points of damage!
The flesh monstrosity's fibrillar entanglement blazes up like a beacon, amplifying the force of the incoming strike!
   ... 45 points of damage!
   Left hip pulped, severing the leg.
   A patchwork flesh monstrosity falls to the ground grasping its mangled left leg!
   The flesh monstrosity strains as if burdened by some invisible force.```
#

The crit damage was boosted by excoriate there, let me see if I can find something better matching haha

The 76 damage isn't boosted though. I don't even have it set to EVOKE which is the higher damage version

#

My endrolls are kind of feast or famine it seems haha, but here's a 148:

  CS: +450 - TD: +378 + CvA: +25 + d100: +51 == +148
  Warding failed!
  Waves of sacred energy tear through the fork-tongued wendigo's body!
   ... 38 points of damage!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   You ripped a chunk out of the fork-tongued wendigo's left leg with that one.
   The fork-tongued wendigo is driven to its knees!
   The fork-tongued wendigo strains as if burdened by some invisible force.```
#

It's just, a good spell I think! It's 15 mana so it oughta be

verbal cloak
#

It being a good spell isn't super relevant. He tanks 719 and 1414 from disciples and they do 1-5 damage per round. Based on the above hit with zero redux, the spell may not be factoring in redux at all
(See above 1414 with similar end roll)

strange crow
verbal cloak
#

40%

#

If it's doing 38/15 on a 148 end roll and 76/45 on a 248 without any spelldux and you take 40% of the damage off then it seems like the 205 I had in the middle is not reduced. Would need to confirm on test prob

strange crow
#

So 38 damage on a 148 roll is a hair above .79 damage per 1 endroll, that would be 168 damage on a 204 endroll. Obv there would be a cap or diminishing returns...slowmode is dumb

verbal cloak
#

Uhh, your 248 did not do 168 on the 1st round...

strange crow
verbal cloak
#

How so? My 719 crit kills them unless they self revive

strange crow
#

Seems like a good use case for the test server!

verbal cloak
#

Indeed!! I'll have to check later...

strange crow
neon salmon
ashen tapir
#

@cyan lynx bad enough there's loot cap, now there's stealth janitors

cyan lynx
#

A small whirlwind races through the area.

chilly valve
#

The floor is lava! The floor is lava!

ashen tapir
cyan lynx
ashen tapir
#

With boxes being this heavy, is there something I can do to prevent this from happening? I had dropped 5-6 boxes, had a smith pick them, and was looting them when the janitor did that

opal pine
#

Don't drop them? Hand them over one at a time like a civilized patron 😛

jovial spear
lime swan
#

i feel like i remember when that whirlwind was implemented

ashen tapir
warm hill
#

can we please have "require ascension bounties" added to Halfwhistle in HW?

neon salmon
#

that’s the default

#

or at least afaik there’s no non-ascended bounties there; asking for harder bounties might be push past the low level stuff, i can’t remember

lime knot
#

i think the only gotcha might be if you are hunting elsewhere and set yourself to no asc, then go to HW but forget to change it back, you have to leave again to fix it. but i can't remember.

neon salmon
#

ah the option to switch yes, i don’t believe he offers that in that way

lime knot
#

relatively minor annoyance go farm 12 shards but, would be nice (if that's the issue, again i can't remember but that's all i can think of

verbal cloak
#

It's only 8. 4 gets you in and out

warm hill
strange crow
# ashen tapir

Some old creep behind a curtain in an inn once told me to not leave stuff on the ground. Then he started rambling about some kind of simulated coin? Weird, but the first part was sound advice I think haha

verbal cloak
# strange crow Seems like a good use case for the test server!

With KS:
Evoke

  Warding failed!
  Your spirit quails beneath the onslaught of power as waves of sacred energy tear through your body!
   ... 36 points of damage!
A prismatic blur rises from your skin to dampen the blow!
   ... 4 points of damage!
   Plasma lashes your weapon arm blistering flesh.```
__Cast__
```  CS: +488 - TD: +345 + CvA: +5 + d100: +78 == +226
  Warding failed!
  Your spirit quails beneath the onslaught of power as waves of sacred energy tear through your body!
   ... 40 points of damage!
A prismatic blur rises from your skin to dampen the blow!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Pinpoint strike sears your chest.```
Without KS:
__Evoke__
```  CS: +488 - TD: +345 + CvA: +5 + d100: +83 == +231
  Warding failed!
  Your spirit quails beneath the onslaught of power as waves of sacred energy tear through your body!
   ... 63 points of damage!
A prismatic blur rises from your skin to dampen the blow!
   ... 9 points of damage!
   Searing blast of energy to hip spins you around!
   You are stunned for 1 round!```
__Cast__
```  CS: +488 - TD: +345 + CvA: +5 + d100: +100 == +248
  Warding failed!
  Your spirit quails beneath the onslaught of power as waves of sacred energy tear through your body!
   ... 80 points of damage!
A prismatic blur rises from your skin to dampen the blow!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Dazzling arc of energy traces blackened path across your back!
   You are stunned for 1 round!
   You strain as if burdened by some invisible force.```
#

So it does appear as though that 40% spelldux is doing some work. Kinda thrown that 1615 is that strong, and I suspect the Disir are casting to induce RT.

strange crow
jovial spear
verbal cloak
#

BTW, when I was testing this I got some super weird failures to concentrate causing my test pally to hit himself. I thought it was slippery mind, but when I unlearned and swapped to krynch on the test monk it still reflected. Like 6x in a row he hit himself not the player target

vestal niche
#

can premium sleigh trave be 20% faster? premie perk!

verbal cloak
#

Meh, premium can access FWI from the village, so sleigh travel is really only for your 1st visit.

coral pulsar
#

Do a lot of folks that are in HW stick with bounties or do they just...idk hunt until encumbered or the frost ward wears off? Bounties seem to take forever to complete.

tribal quarry
#

What in the world are you hunting that it's taking forever? The higher level creatures usually have very low bounty kill counts needed (sometimes as low as 10) while the lower level creatures range from swarmy to ultra swarmy.

The Burrows are slow, though, but the only things in there are higher level and should usually not need much culling.

Edit: Oh, didn't think about golems. If you're hunting those, like... don't.

verbal cloak
#

I bounty hunt non-stop on my monk and sorc. You can just "ask about easier" until you are the baseline 5 under/over and you will only get bounties in the boreal forest and gigas villages. You can hunt draugr / valravn in the Fjall area. My sorcerer does harder bounties, but abandons ooze and anything in the sanguine forest (undansormrs, disciples and reptiles).

Killing Golems never bothers me. My monk can kill them with 2 assaults (fury / barrage) and my sorcerer just one-shots them with 717. I guess it depends on what you hunt with.

#

A lot of people who hunt HW just go to the pits and nowhere else. They prefer swarm lite, and don't bother with bounties. Since I need to keep a lot of enhancives charged, and my preference is BP charging, it fuels my desire to keep bounty hunting. Also I enjoy getting 7-12k per turn-in after loot capping!

tribal quarry
#

I think he's on a warpath, which is about the worst possible matchup against golems. Could be wrong, though!

coral pulsar
#

right now I have one that is to find something from a shield-maiden. I'll see how that one goes. F-haart, O-haart or E-haart is one better than the other ya think?

crisp basin
#

Fjallarhaart will get spillover from the pits. Unlikely to see those in the other two, if that makes a difference for you.

coral pulsar
pliant hatch
#

A bloody halfling cannibal's eyes fix upon as G attempts to hide. The cannibal bares her sharpened teeth in a grin.

coral pulsar
#

Ahh yes - 1120 bugs!

amber linden
#

how many ranks in survivial is needed to hunt in HW? 1x per?

chilly valve
#

Atleast. If you want to skin well you might need more than 1x FA/1x survival

verbal cloak
#

But with lootcap, skinning is a trap

chilly valve
#

What is this new GS meta where training in skills makes the game less fun/worse 😭

gray sleet
#

I'll be real interested to see if we're provided new metrics on lootcap, it sometimes feel like the same few folks comment on it but we're told so few reach it

chilly valve
#

How common is this? You also see a silver-shot black stone wyrm and a silver-shot black stone wyrm. (the wyrm graveyard!)

earnest pagoda
#

So what's the OOZE weapon ecleanse, I assume, looks for

verbal cloak
#

needs to be a blunt weapon which includes runestaves

marsh canyon
#

Doesn't have to be blunt per se, it just has to be 50% or more crush. So a handaxe works for example.

warm hill
#

I think bows are broken for it, by the way—in the right hand, they should act as quarterstaves, which do crush damage, but they’re ineffective: https://gswiki.play.net/Long_bow

chilly valve
#

A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!
A tattooed gigas berserker barrels in, bellowing a mad battlecry that shakes the ground with its intensity!
(Solo life)

fluid tree
# 
With a quick lunge, a niveous giant warg tries to hamstring you with its jaws!
[SMR result: 200 (Open d100: 151, Penalty: 4)]
Your size contributes considerably to your defense!
With a vicious strike a niveous giant warg slashes at your right leg!
   ... 33 points of damage!
Weak diagonal slash catches your left knee!
   It is dislocated.
You fall to the ground grasping your mangled right leg!
You are stunned!
Blood sprays from your right leg in a crimson arc!
   ... 22 points of damage!
!SP>feat vanish
In a display of martial precision, a brawny gigas shield-maiden thrusts with a gold-tipped heavy spear at you!
Reeling and staggering, you barely dodge the attack!
!SP>
You are still stunned.
!SP>
Your right leg drips as you continue to bleed.
   ... 8 points of damage!
!SP>
A niveous giant warg lunges towards you, most likely intending to finish you off!
[SMR result: 170 (Open d100: 51, Bonus: 65)]
A niveous giant warg grabs you by the head and twists violently.  You hear a loud *CRACK* as your neck bones snap and your body goes limp!

Having only 150 health sucks sometimes.

coral pulsar
fluid tree
#

I decided to be petty:

You remove a thin veniom wire from in your viper skin toolkit.
H>
You leap from hiding to attack!
[SMR result: 101 (Open d100: 11, Bonus: 33)]
Your size significantly hinders your attack!
You fling your wire around a niveous giant warg's neck and snap it taut.  Success!
A niveous giant warg continues to fight but the garrote digs in deeper.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>
[SMR result: 262 (Open d100: 177, Bonus: 33)]
Your size significantly hinders your attack!
A niveous giant warg slumps slowly, its skin growing darker from lack of air.
   ... 76 points of damage!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>
[SMR result: 140 (Open d100: 52, Bonus: 35)]
Your size significantly hinders your attack!
   ... 7 points of damage!
You release the garrote and let your victim's corpse fall to the ground.
A niveous giant warg rolls over onto its side with a whimper before surrendering to death.
Your feat of agility empowers you and your party!
You feel a fair amount more agile.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
verbal cloak
coral pulsar
fluid tree
chilly valve
#

Dam, do the solo halflings usually have almost 600 AMBUSH attack??
With an ululating shriek, a bloody halfling cannibal leaps from the shadows and hurtles at you, swinging wildly with a twisted obsidian dagger!
AS: +579 vs DS: +425 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +40 = +216
... and hits for 62 points of damage!
Horrifying slash to your head!

warm hill
charred harness
#

Would be cool if the packmother awarded something special when killed, even if it was just like 1k-2k saturated exp.

It seems like it's become a regrettable afterthought that could be something special when it spawns.

chilly valve
#

You need to secure one of those white warg pelts from her after your lootcapped and sell it for 12 silvers!
12 silvers is 12 silvers.....

charred harness
#

Although this discussion has reminded me that I need to dump my trading ranks so the warg pelt doesn't hit my loot cap so hard.

chilly valve
#

Did anyone ever confirm trading re-adjusts the value to affect lootcap? It doesnt make sense as what happens if I just give the skins to my alt with 2x trading or if I wait a month and sell all skins from March in April.
But yeah that is a "valuable" miniboss reward you got there!

tribal halo
#

I just use mine for cobbling.

chilly valve
#

I basically hoard all my 12 silver skins at the end to power my Animalistic AS Totem. That thing goes through skins like a monster.

charred harness
#

i stopped using the totems because they were so needy.

verbal cloak
charred harness
verbal cloak
#

I wouldn't mind if skin value only counted towards loot cap if you sell the hide to an NPC that way you could still skin for bounties, to fuel items, whatever random alchemy needs skins, and so on, but if you actually generate silvers (via sell action) then it applies.

tribal halo
#

Like an item you could tag your skins with that would make them unsellable but retain their original value for fuel.

verbal cloak
#

Probably the wrong place for these ideas to get visibility.

tribal halo
#

I meaaaaaaaaaan

lime swan
#

i got lucky the xaz didn't go off

Raythiel swings a xazkruvrixis spikestar at you!
A crackling black latticework springs up from the surface of your lathonian leather and shields you from some of the damage!
The energy surrounding you condenses into hard stone, softening the blow!
Some lathonian leather partially deflects the onslaught of the crushing attack.
  AS: +791 vs DS: +690 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +3 = +138
   ... and hits for 1 point of damage!
   Bones in left arm crack.

 ** Your adamantine bracers meets Raythiel's xazkruvrixis spikestar with unyielding force! **
Raythiel's xazkruvrixis spikestar shudders in his hand and his grip falters!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Brushing blow to right hand.

 ** Your adamantine bracers emit a searing bolt of lightning at Raythiel! **
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Light shock to right hand.  Fingers tingle.

 ** Needles of electric light spark from Raythiel's fingertips, dancing towards you!  Raythiel appears briefly revitalized as the energy washes over his form! **
The energy surrounding you condenses into hard stone, softening the blow!
Your wiregrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the electrical damage!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Mild electric jolt jolts your whole body.  Talk about a nervous twitch.
   ... 2 points of damage!```
marsh canyon
#

That's quite a flare-dance.

meager veldt
#

That Raythiel morningstar has taken quite a few lives in the pursuit of wyrms. Thankfully, theres another elf warrior who is less likely to kill you during wyrm hunts...

tribal halo
#

He took me straight out.

neon salmon
timid shuttle
#

Less likely, but not totally impossible elf kills

lime swan
#

yakushi's shirt banished me the other day

coral pulsar
#

Did you deserve it?

lime swan
#

i got sympathied, earthen fury'd him, then force of will'd out of the sympathy. but the next round of the earthen fury triggered his lathonian shirt

[An Unknown Plane]
Crackling currents of elemental energy surround you.  Your body feels as though it's being simultaneously stretched to unfathomable distances and compressed into nothingness.  Nothing seems right about this place.
Obvious exits: none
R>fireTry as you might, your current circumstances prevent you from doing that.
R>fireTry as you might, your current circumstances prevent you from doing that.
>fireTry as you might, your current circumstances prevent you from doing that.
>You feel less drained.
>You no longer feel the effect of casting mana leech.
>Your surroundings suddenly dissolve into countless pinpoints of light, shimmering and fading into the void.  After a breathless moment, a single pinpoint reappears, swiftly expanding into a swirling, polychromatic vortex of unstable elemental energy.  Several tendrils lash out, striking you before coalescing to reform more familiar surroundings.
Your skin hardens for a moment and softens the attack!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Blow grazes your left arm lightly.
[Angargreft, Hanging Gardens]
The corpse of a huge winged creature with cloudy blue scales lies splayed on the stones, its silvery eyes filmed over in death.  Scavengers have picked meat away from its belly, leaving behind bleached bones.  You also see a sturdy-framed liver-spotted puppy with mismatched eyes, a silver-scaled cold wyrm (flying) and a drake yierka-spur.
Also here: Yakushi (prone)
Obvious paths: north, south, southwest```
lime swan
#

ha

Pearly light flares up suddenly from within Raythiel!
Raythiel swings a xazkruvrixis spikestar at you!
Without warning, the air immediately surrounding you grows thick with flickering black lines.  They swiftly surround you, tracing the shape of a warding sigil that flares brightly.
Some lathonian leather partially deflects the onslaught of the puncture attack.
A jagged chunk of earth floating near you intercepts the attack!

 ** Black light radiates from your lathonian leather and you feel 2 mana surge into you! **

 ** Gangly black tentacles sprout upward from the ground and wrap around Raythiel, constricting him with brutal force! **
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Quick strike rips right arm open!
   To your dismay it quickly closes on its own.
   He is stunned!

 ** A crackling wave arcs across Raythiel's body, striking you with lightning speed!  Raythiel appears fortified, as though filled with renewed strength! **
A jagged chunk of earth floating near you intercepts the attack!
   ... 3 points of damage!
J>Raythiel's eyes cease to glow.```
coral pulsar
lime swan
#

from top to bottom, RUB on mana armor for critical padding, puncture resist on base armor, RUB on essence belt Earth mode for 3 free blocks, grapple flares on base armor, and then the essence belt again

tribal halo
#

We need to normalize dispelling that when possible =p
At least until I can get another non-sasafras weapon. ><

zealous nimbus
#

Myharl has abandoned us, we live in a lawless society now every man/woman for themselves. Long live the xaz

tribal halo
#

I mean... TBF
<insert gif>
You casters don't need weapons to 1-shot us so we're just levelling the playing field.

Especially now with your fancy mount riding combat.

lime swan
tribal halo
#

That seems... to be a bug.

lime swan
#

the other problem is that he got sympathied and killed you in one round, so there was no time to even do anything

i didn't manage to try channel dispel while he was under sympathy, but this is the normal result. someone could try to test further

You channel at Raythiel.
The magic of your spell withers on contact, unraveling and dispersing without effect.
Cast Roundtime 2 Seconds.

tribal halo
#

Oh 100%, it's insane how fast that turns.

#

I am always so quick to hit that beseech armor, but teleporting the whole group to Cold River to drop my sympathy seems like a bad choice :laugh:

coral pulsar
#

That is when you symbol of return ASAP!

zealous nimbus
#

or just put him down

lime swan
cyan lynx
#

I should use Sympathy more often.

zealous nimbus
#

Believe it or not, jail right away

tribal halo
#

RIGHT to jail.

marsh canyon
#

@cyan lynx a note for you: Disir's use of shields is still buggy. They frequently get the defensive use of a shield after their shield is sunderered, or is worn. I'd bug it in game but I'm on vacation till tomorrow! I keep forgetting to bug it.

cyan lynx
#

Huh.

lime swan
#

i actually enjoy the involuntary aspect of Sympathy CvC.

it's not common we get to duel random people that didn't volunteer 😄

chilly valve
#

Taking out another player or player's alt is always a "free win" in my book 😏
Sympathy/MindControl was definitely something I petitioned for when ascension was first being discussed! Just make sure you are not next to Roblar when it happens...

marsh canyon
# cyan lynx Huh.

To clarify, I don't believe they're getting DS benefit, but they're proc-img defensive shield maneuvers. I'll try to post some clips when I'm home from some weekend travels.

earnest pagoda
#

Can u sell the Idols anywhere??

verbal cloak
#

Once again, I report the Wargs are cheating. I went from 264HP to~~ 134~~ 143 HP = 54% of my total HP and I get coup'd. I still had more than half my health left and they are successfully landing coup. This appears to be extremely common to have more than 50% of your total HP with max health enhancives equipped.

My monk has died a whopping 42 times in 2026. It looks like 34 of those times were from Warg Coup. 4 of them were from the Sybil, and I died twice to an ooze... These guys absolutely cheat, and their coup mechanic needs to be reviewed as I wholeheartedly believe they are using the maneuver as if you had zero max health enhancives without penalty.

lime knot
#

134 is 50% of 264 if you truncate. I don’t know where you are getting 54%. 50.7575757575%

#

If it’s basically truncating somehow you would need at least 135 I think.

verbal cloak
#

Sorry! I copied a number accidentally it was 143 total HP after all the damage. I lost 121 HP

neon salmon
pine folio
#

I have to ask... did they change something with open rolls in hinterlands the last couple months? I have been away a spell and am having a real rough time of it after getting back the last couple days

opal pine
#

Nope. Open rolls aren't something that can be tweaked anyway, it's a fixed percentage

pine folio
#

yeah, I just wondered if they tweaked how often they use the abilities or something

mighty epoch
#

When did Wargs start using Coup?

pliant hatch
#

They have always used Coup

pine folio
#

Can confirm, they have removed Illithek's head many times lol

coral pulsar
#

I've only seen them use Coup while under 1120. It was glorious.

pine folio
#

One time I stubbed my toe and then they pulled my head off

lime knot
#

HW was opened in may of '22

The earliest "HEY WHAT THE HELL WARG?" post in #mechanics is from April, 3 of '22 so, i assume that was still when it was still just on the test realm. So those wargs been coupin since they came out the womb MONGEN

mighty epoch
#

Strange. I used to hunt there and don't recall it ever happening to me. I suppose I could have lost it in the scroll.

opal pine
#

It's pretty hard to miss, what with the dying and all

lime knot
#

eh, i miss it a bunch too just cause like, i don't think it matters most of the time i was probably gonna die anyways. it just saved me some time. which is a thing with a lot of complaints about it like, if you got that jacked upand are missing 150+ health you were very likely to die anyway. obviously not all of them, but.... probably most of them lol.

marsh canyon
#

I have yet to be killed by a warg. Step 1: kill wargs upon entry, don't let them turn into a pack. Step 2: kill the mastadon you were working on before the warg showed up.

verbal cloak
#

90% of my deaths are exactly the same.

  1. Get put into an extremely long RT of some kind, generally SSR (though it did happen once with a Golem ability)
  2. Stagger continues to be refreshed and never wears off.
  3. Warg performs hamstring which applies stun while stuck in RT.
  4. Health drops to under 60% (instead of the 50% that coup should require) and Warg almost always immediately uses Coup resulting in instant death.

Keep in mind, this is on a kroderine soul square with extremely high evasion and SMR defense with 4/5 coup de grace trained, so it just doesn't matter.

gray sleet
#

do you have any training of Swift Recovery, by chance?

verbal cloak
#

5/5 specifically trained to mitigate stagger refresh, and still has not helped. I died 4x in a single day to coup, and just decided it was time to leave HWs.

#

I've been hunting there since 2022 when it released on this monk. He has never died this much until after the bloodstone jewelry was released an his max health was boosted. Now I get coup'd insanely frequently which leads me to believe there is a bug with the ability specifically if you have boosted your max health by a significant amount, the HP threshold for coup becomes waaaay higher. I died 4 times in 2025 to coup before I had max HP enhancives. I have died 38 times since.

gray sleet
#

I sometimes consider if I'm going to mess with wargs to hunt in advanced just to see if I can make it through

marsh canyon
verbal cloak
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This is a monk, 3x cap, kroderine soul. I'm telling you the problem is super basic. My monk went from 160HP with only minor HP enhancives, put on a bloodstone jewelry item and is now at 260HP, and is getting coup'd constantly because it is massively inflating the value at which these wargs are able to coup my character. He's only spent 98 Ascension points so far, so I can't get TD just yet, but I've hunted hinterwilds for years and the past 3 months have been hell. The only significant change has been my max HP.

marsh canyon
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Well if that's the case that makes no sense. Do you think it's calc-ing off the wrong amount of HP? If that's the case, keep complaining.

verbal cloak
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It's been bugging me a lot that when I go back through my logs, I am very frequently over 50% HP when wargs use Coup. I have already bugged it in game. They also grow hands for ripping out spines as well...

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I have had several cases where out of my total 260HP, I am over 160HP when they use their ability, but usually around 140HP. Both of which are over 50%. So in summary, yes I think there are significant creature bugs with Coup both with how it calculates when the critter is "allowed" to activate the ability if the player target has enhanced their Max HP and with the messaging which is not appropriate for a Warg.

chilly valve
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I have also had a sneaking suspicion about coup as I swear there are times my dude had 60-70% HP then just one shot by coup. Its hard to track though since no damage shown and your health goes to negative.

verbal cloak
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A niveous giant warg grabs you by the head and twists violently.
Should be updated to "grabs your head with their jaws and twists violently"
A niveous giant warg drives its hands deep into your abdomen, grabbing your spine and pulling it forward!
Wargs don't have hands!

[SMR result: 77 (Open d100: 27, Bonus: 17)]
A niveous giant warg lunges towards you to finish you off, but it is too slow and you manage to avoid the attack!
A niveous giant warg lunges towards you, most likely intending to finish you off!
[SMR result: 59 (Open d100: 24, Bonus: 17)]
A niveous giant warg lunges towards you to finish you off, but it is too slow and you manage to avoid the attack!
[SMR result: 100 (Open d100: 67, Bonus: 17)]
Stooping down from his vast height, a tattooed gigas berserker reaches toward you with a gigantic fist!  You scurry out of the way of the huge fingers, heart pounding in your chest!
A niveous giant warg lunges towards you, most likely intending to finish you off!
[SMR result: 112 (Open d100: 62, Bonus: 17)]
A niveous giant warg grabs you by the head and twists violently.  You hear a loud *CRACK* as your neck bones snap and your body goes limp!
The visions slowly trickle from your mind, and you are left with the world before you once again.

This all happened at the same time... is that 3 different wargs attempting to all use coup simultaneously!?

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Like, that is an excellent example that Wargs have some kind of automatic trigger as soon as they detect you could be coup'd they immediately activate the ability. 4 simultaneous attempts to use Coup.

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I went back to my logs and searched in 2024 and 2025 - 0 hits for the Coup messaging. Never once did a Warg attempt to Coup me with over 35,000 encounters with the creature.

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I was really hoping the bloodstone jewelry would buy me that extra time to recover from stagger long enough to survive when I get stagger locked (the only thing that ever killed me previously, well that and random 1-shots to the face from disir spear/lances) but it seriously has just made this hunting grounds impossible...

frosty junco
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I believe there are actually two issues with the warg’s coup:

1: They are able to use coup at substantially above 50% health (probably due to a bug which ignores enhancive max health, as others have suggested)

2): When a player becomes “eligible” for coup based on health remaining, wargs seem to employ coup with nearly 100% of all actions

verbal cloak
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Who is our Hinterwilds creature GM to @ despite being past the march of bug fixes?

coral pulsar
fluid tree
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Since we are on the topic of Wargs, why is their howl so hard to resist? All warcry maneuvers seem to always get me.

jagged vine
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who wants to be the one to @ him, very curious about this

pliant hatch
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It’s SSR. SSR is basically auto hit. It sucks and should be replaced by MDR.

opal pine
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You need a bigger disc

tribal halo
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When you absolutely do not read something correctly, but it still fits perfectly.

opal pine
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Mission accomplished 😄

cyan lynx
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I don't mind you guys pinging me when it's something important. Just don't ping other GMs.

opal pine
verbal cloak
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Will be excited to hear if you find any anomalies! This has been driving me nuts because the normally challenging but not insane hunting grounds became untenable all of the sudden. It felt super bad.

stoic venture
strange crow
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@cyan lynx Not SUPER important but HW has WL bank listed when you try to transfer silvers via realm boost: >bank trans vorn 2000000 You have chosen to transfer 2,000,000 silver from the Vornavis Bank of Solhaven to the First Elanith Secured Bank.

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Also it'd be alright with me if the artificer could train up some apprentices so we don't have to burn gigasbux to travel to HW to do anything with our gemstones

cyan lynx
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You could also go to Sailor's Grief. 😛

strange crow
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Feels like you're implying that it's intended to be inconvenient(in addition to, now, wildly expensive) to modify or trade gemstones haha!

verbal cloak
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BTW, been hunting in hinterwilds all day long, but I removed my bloodstone jewelry and I have not once been coup'd by wargs.
Over 1200 encounters today (yes, I have been hunting a lot) and no attempts to coup even though I have had some close calls with the SSR RT lock stuff.
Absolutely something is going on with inflating Max Health w/ enhancives creating a huge coup window of opportunity for Wargs.

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Until the root cause can be identified, I would suggest not running the bloodstone items if you're susceptible to being RT locked and have your HP slowly chewed away.

coral pulsar
# strange crow Feels like you're implying that it's intended to be inconvenient(in addition to,...

I’m not commenting to judge one way or the other but the 2500 silver sleigh ride to HW is relatively quick. Once my rogue gets there I just symbol of return which takes me into town. Then I just burn 4 fragments to go home. I haven’t really found that to be terribly inconvenient since it is easy to farm 4 fragments in a minute or two.

Not sure where the other society’s transport powers bring them. All I know is having 130 drop you off at the sleigh is so rude when you want to be in town !

strange crow
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It's just an arbitrary annoyance and I can't see any reason at all to not have an NPC in every town for it. I needed 2m silvers to do an amplify and couldn't transfer it via the BANK command due to aforementioned thing where HW transfers it to WL

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I'll just end up getting the amplify next month because there's no reason for me to go back to HW for the rest of the month

verbal cloak
# cyan lynx Let me consider this.

For more points of data. I have hunted the hinterwilds for 12-14 hours over the past couple days with my T5 bloodstone item unequiped, and I have had zero attempts to Coup de Grace from any wargs. This isn't luck. Searching my logs, I did not go for more than a few hours on any given day while wearing the Max HP enhancive item without being coup'd to death or at least having a warg attempt and fail. There is clearly something going on with the max health enhancives and Coup!

Side note - I did NOT unequip it on my giantman wizard, and he died to Coup yesterday. Sequence of events for that death was Hamstring -> One normal melee hit -> Coup.... dead.

cyan lynx
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Yeah, I'll take a look at this. I agree there is an issue.

marsh canyon
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@cyan lynx what I said about Disir using their shields when they don't have them, was just the messaging from 1620, Battle Standard. I could have sworn they were using a shield after I'd sundered it, turns out they were, just not the ones they were carrying.

timid sundial
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Can we get some after-combat metrics after fighting sybil and wyrm? Something that lets you know if you were under contributing or not. It wouldn't show you anyone else's stats so it doesn't end up being competitive, but it can just show you (and you alone) what % of damage you did, how many CCs and debuffs you landed and how long they lasted, how much damage you took, etc. These fights are so spammy that even going through logs after the fight is a massively time-consuming ordeal

strange crow
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That sounds like a job for the scripting forum haha, or just look at logs?

lime swan
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i thought about making that once. then i went back to work :/

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maybe use an unsupervised search to categorize sources of all damage, and then nearest-field out whatever name caused it - with special exemptions for damage-over-time flares like rot or blood boil. chatgpt could probably build it in ten minutes

fair comet
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I was excited to try that and then got frustrated because you can't directly link all damage back to a specific person; it quickly turned into a bigger lift than I was willing to do

lime swan
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you could probably link most of the damage, though, right?
it seemed like, any damage between names probably came from the name above it, outside the exception cases
like, dispel could easily be linked to the name below, for instance

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i think the first step is just a 100% accurate damage counter - that way you can check for unattributed damage and know that you're good when you've been able to name-stamp all of it

charred harness
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AI can be super useful for that. You have to train it though, mostly because of what Ralk said. Some of the damage can be tricky to attribute

earnest spire
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Waylay don't want that heat

charred harness
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Nerf incoming

tribal halo
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Don't either of you bring that heat down on us.

lime swan
warm hill
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coup bug still going strong

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verbal cloak
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Yeah, I took off my bloodstone jewelry and have been hunting HW for the last 10 days without it, and only seen Coup 1 time since.
In fact, the only time I've died was due to client crash, so not sure it was worth the investment. Might let the attunment fall off and sell the thing.

wise sleet
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I thought coup 50% max 200 health, would that mean threshold to coup is reached at -100 health (+ stun or whatever incapacitation requirement)? Funny the go-to-without-fail aspect of it though.

jagged vine
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the working theory is that the % health loss is calculated before the bloodstone, so if you had 200 health without bloodstone, and 300 health with bloodstone, you could get couped at 175 health since you lost 125 health out of your pre-enhanced 200 health. (More then 50%)

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that would be incapacitated, but take it a step further, and even when not incapacitated you could get couped at 240 health since you lost 60 health of your pre-enhanced 200 health. (More then 25%)

coral pulsar
warm hill
snow sorrel
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Can we get carts and teleports to and from Zul like Icemule and elven Nations?

warm hill
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just died to the coup bug yet again, could we get this looked at maybe?
also, A niveous giant warg lunges towards you, most likely intending to finish you off! SMR SvD: +75 + Bonus: +77 + o100 roll: +65 == +217 A niveous giant warg drives its hands deep into your abdomen, grabbing your spine and pulling it forward! wargs have hands?

marsh canyon
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You're also getting totally boned by the bonuses they're getting. Is there anything you can train in to hedge your odds a bit? Right now you're facing 95% chance of coup when they attempt it. Are you still using an empath bauble? Probably best to ditch that until this bug is fixed.

neon salmon
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don’t think about where they come from

verbal cloak
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It could be a while before the coup bug w/ max health enhancives is addressed.
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warm hill
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thanks for the suggestions, all -- i think i was stunned etc., hence the terrible defenses -- i'm pretty geared out at this point. maybe i can update my prehunt script to skipt the empath trinket for HW bounties, i just dislike having to alter my hunting patterns to work around longstanding bugs, you know

in case it's helpful, it feels like wargs are basically spamming the keyboard with coup as soon as your health is low -- i've noticed a couple of times that as soon as my health drops even a couple points from something like a bleed, the coup is instant. it feels like a trigger

("spamming the keyboard" seems pretty accurate they apparently have hands!)

verbal cloak
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They do. The pack of wargs I was fighting when I used the bloodstone jewelry item showed 6 different attempts immediately following a stun. It becomes their default attack if you qualify, and you qualify much earlier than you should with a lot of max health enhancives.

chilly valve
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With inhuman swiftness and precision, a savage fork-tongued wendigo swings its feras mattock at you!
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
The layer of bark on you hardens and absorbs the attack! The bark crackles as it crumbles to dust.

** As the blow lands, the feras mattock unleashes a heavy surge of lightning! **

... 4 points of damage!
Heavy spark to left eye causes tears and redness.

With inhuman swiftness and precision, a savage fork-tongued wendigo swings its feras mattock at you!
AS: +626 vs DS: +510 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +26 = +176
... and hits for 30 points of damage!
Flattened your left hand.

** As the blow lands, the feras mattock unleashes a heavy surge of lightning! **

... 1 point of damage!
Light shock to back. That stings!

With inhuman swiftness and precision, a savage fork-tongued wendigo swings its feras mattock at you!
AS: +626 vs DS: +510 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +66 = +216
... and hits for 59 points of damage!
Respectable shot to your back.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!

** As the blow lands, the feras mattock unleashes a heavy surge of lightning! **

... 4 points of damage!
Heavy spark to left arm. Gonna hurt tomorrow.

With inhuman swiftness and precision, a savage fork-tongued wendigo swings its feras mattock at you!
AS: +626 vs DS: +468 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +21 = +213
... and hits for 60 points of damage!
Left kneecap smashed into pulp.
You are knocked to the ground!

** As the blow lands, the feras mattock unleashes a heavy surge of lightning! **

... 24 points of damage!
Electric blast goes right to the heart! You'll miss that steady beat.
You no longer feel so dextrous.
The layer of protection fades away.
The dull golden nimbus fades from around you.

jagged vine
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if the coup don’t get you then the lightning will (backwards but sounded better, also you were surely gonna get couped even if you survived that)

autumn sun
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@chilly valve No Dreamer's Milk on your armor?

chilly valve
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Yeah, I got to put more on, good call

cyan lynx
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Not to be confused with Milker's Dream.

autumn sun
cyan lynx
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There's an appropriate Meet the Parents quote here.

chilly valve
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[SMR result: 265 (Open d100: 130, Bonus: 57)]
An immense gold-bristled hinterboar** feints** to the left. You spot the ruse too late and twist awkwardly to block the blow that never came!
!SR>
A ghost of rage twists a withered shadow-cloaked draugr's decaying features!
Wisps of shadow follow the arc of a withered shadow-cloaked draugr's arm as he swings a huge black alloy greatsword at you!
AS: +677 vs DS: +393 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +58 = +384
... and hits for 155 points of damage!
You hear several snaps as your neck is broken in several places.
(I did not appreciate the Living and Undead tag team.....)

eternal musk
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After staying out for ~20 minutes to finish a bounty.

Mightn't it be possible to actually make some LOOT in, I don't know, one of the highest level hunting areas in the entire game? Seems pretty ridiculous at this point.
verbal cloak
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HW is pretty overhunted the 1st couple days of the week for gemstone and dust hunting. It is still wealthier than ME. Loot pressure seems counter productive if we're capped anyway...

pliant hatch
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If you’re hunting the forest or the gigas villages those are the easiest ascension zones so the loot gets pretty crushed.

verbal cloak
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Also, a single hunt is a pretty bad metric of measurement no matter how long you ran the hunt for. RNG is gonna RNG. Check total loot found in a week, and then decide if the place is poor or broke (at least).

outer tide
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I make a lot more in rhe forest then the villages, if only because there is so much magic trash

crisp basin
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Any chance of getting a trashcan in Rawknuckle's where the artificer stands? People turning in their onslaught quests apparently can't be bothered to move somewhere else to toss their sacks away

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glad spire
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Lazy script hunters who can't be bothered to use the proper syntax to get rid of things like that properly. My bane.

pliant hatch
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The burlap sack should just be TOSSable, which it isn’t currently.

lime knot
fresh sparrow
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The frosting may appreciate those sacks ...

harsh solar
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is there a bug or something with bloodstones and coup de gras? I can be full health and a small 1 round stun and a warg will get me or a stalker in the hive. if I am not pinged to death its these two that kill me with that maneuver. its really really annoying

outer tide
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why yes yes there is

harsh solar
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frickin frackin thats horrible just take coup from the critters till its fixed

jagged vine
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it’s on Auchands radar

glad spire
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Coup and Sympathy are nasty when used by mobs.

verbal cloak
outer tide
harsh solar
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yeah I klnow that really needs to be fixed not cool to alll the folks who put the time and money in to NOT get killed and a cman kills us because of something that supposed to help. Kinda sounds like Empyrean Rule!

coral pulsar
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Oddly enough - both of my characteres only have B4s and have never ever been affected by this coup bug with wargs. Not sure if it is only impacting people with B5s?

native fulcrum
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Hello! I would love to tag a long with a sybil group. I used my one free pass quest access. Please reach out if you need another party member. Thanks!

tribal halo
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It's also very early and there's an onslaught coming up. 🙁

coral pulsar
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Ok! I can definitely not duo the packmother...my poor poor empath.

native fulcrum
tribal halo
coral pulsar
# tribal halo I can run up if you want help.

Thank you! You are very kind. But I just stumbled across her...really had no beef against her but thought I could take her on...yeah. Bad puppy. Found my two geodes and now back to Sanctum

pliant hatch
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The packmother has so much health lol. I wish it had a cool drop for killing it.

opal pine
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It has a special skin!

stuck blade
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It makes the best animate. Level 160ish