#[Official] Hinterwilds

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sharp raptor
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It kind of really is. Absolutely. Still one of my favorite places to hunt. I've only run into a couple of the spectral variants that gave me a problem, one of them being a spectral pack mother.

cloud orchid
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Splintered barrels mark the entrance to a battered turf house that must have been a cooper's shop.  Embergrass grows thick on the snowy rooftop, which has collapsed inward in places, leaving the dwelling's front door impassable.  Several unfinished staves lean next to the entrance as if waiting to be worked.  You also see an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, an eyeless black valravn that appears dead, a tattooed gigas berserker that appears dead, a huge black alloy greatsword, a grim gigas skald that appears dead, a grim gigas skald that appears dead, an eyeless black valravn that appears dead, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr that appears dead, a tattooed gigas berserker that appears dead, an eyeless black valravn that appears dead, a grim gigas skald that appears dead, a lean brown fringe-toed yierka, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr that appears dead and an eyeless black valravn that appears dead.
Obvious paths: northeast, southwest```

This is me just standing next to a room with a huge MA group
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Its good that I could handle this...but most people would be dead in a second.

sharp raptor
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marsh canyon
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I don't mind the spectral critters. Keeps you on your toes. The blanket void flinging is annoying.

tribal quarry
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Whether I go into the Hinterwilds with 1, 2, 3, 4, or 7 (or any other number, but those are the ones I’ve done this month multiple times each—and some were group hunts, not even MA), I actually won’t engage with a Fjallarhaart room unless it has minimum three creatures in it. If the area’s stirred up enough, I’ll generally even wait for five or more. Taking out a room of one is a really inefficient use of time and RT for any character with reasonable AoE abilities.

nimble canyon
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I ignore rooms with 2 or fewer as a rule myself

sharp raptor
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I'll attack anything that moves. Whether there's 1 or 30 in a room. I don't worry much about efficiency, it takes all of 2 minutes to fry at post cap. I spend way more time sitting at a node waiting for absorption than I'll ever spend hunting. I have to assume anyone that does prolong hunts is farming for loot. I tend to only do that when I pop one of the freebie loot boost we get for login rewards.

nimble canyon
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hunting single critters is also less mana efficient is part of it

tribal quarry
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Yeah, it’s even more true for casters, but even on a melee character, give me that sweet room full of creatures to Whirling Blade+Clash katar spam through. 😄

cloud orchid
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There are definitely different games being played in the same hunting grounds of gemstone 😄

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Well. This valravan certainly took his shot.

An eyeless black valravn vaporizes into a swirl of cold, black mist that streaks toward you in a blur of shadowy, intangible feathers!  The vaporous cloud penetrates your magical defenses and washes over you in a chaotic onslaught!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   You wince as the cold blast numbs your left arm
   ... 9 points of damage!
   Decompression causes muscles in leg to snap!
   You are stunned for 1 round!
   ... 7 points of damage!
   Blood in your left eye boils.  Red steam rises from socket.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Veins in neck stand out briefly!
   ... 3 points of damage!
   A chilly blast strikes you in the chest, knocking you back a step.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   
   ... 2 points of damage!
   Blood vessels in leg burst!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Icy chill to your midriff.  A bowl of nice hot stew would hit the spot right now.
   ... 7 points of damage!
   Your ribs warp and crack violently.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Chilly blast to the chest causes heart to skip a beat.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Surface of left leg etched to little effect.
An eyeless black valravn dwindles back into its avian form.```
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@sharp raptor Thanks for the tip bud
You skinned the warg packmother, yielding an alabaster warg pelt.

blazing fable
stuck blade
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** Branching filaments of power snap outward from your plumille cloak in a lambent black corona! **
[SMR result: 374 (Open d100: 327, Penalty: 18)]
An eyeless black valravn vaporizes into a swirl of cold, black mist that streaks toward you in a blur of shadowy, intangible feathers!  The vaporous cloud penetrates your magical defenses and washes over you in a chaotic onslaught!
A nebulous grey latticework springs up from the surface of your rusalkoren platemail and shields you from some of the damage!
   ... 1 point of damage!
Your rusalkoren platemail flashes red and you suddenly feel enraged!
   Brain swells suddenly, unfortunately your skull doesn't.
   You are stunned for 10 rounds!
The topaz on your silver ring flares brightly as it absorbs the sudden vacuum!
   ... 6 points of damage!
   Grazing blast to the left arm melts skin away, exposing twitching tendons.
The topaz on your silver ring flares brightly as it absorbs the sudden vacuum!
The topaz on your silver ring flares brightly as it absorbs the sudden vacuum!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Blast creates interesting designs on torso, but little damage.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Flesh painfully vaporized from side!
The topaz on your silver ring flares brightly as it absorbs the sudden vacuum!
A nebulous grey latticework springs up from the surface of your rusalkoren platemail and shields you from some of the damage!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Surface of right leg etched to little effect.
The topaz on your silver ring flares brightly as it absorbs the sudden vacuum!
A nebulous grey latticework springs up from the surface of your rusalkoren platemail and shields you from some of the damage!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Unpleasant wound to left arm!
The sapphire on your silver ring flares brightly as it absorbs the freezing cold!
An eyeless black valravn dwindles back into its avian form.```

```Though you are stunned and reeling, you become aware of your pounding heart.  With each beat, it grows louder and louder, faster and faster, until, with a sudden surge of strength, you throw off your stunned state!```
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Looks like valravns are feeling frisky today in every instance

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Crazy that 1 damage caused a rank 3 head wound. The crit padding must kick in first and then the damage padding factors in.

opal pine
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Dang. Took down a Wyrm but didn't get to check if I could skin it because I was in panic SYM RETURN mode because half my squad died 😆 . Finished him off with the end of a barrage and zooped too quickly

cloud orchid
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Nothing to skin. They turn to statues

cyan lynx
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Like the weeping angels of old.

cloud orchid
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Angels in GS dont cry. They turn into hiroshima-styled shadow burns on the ground

tribal quarry
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You peer intently at the winternight sapphire as you turn it in your fingers, meticulously inspecting for flaws. You estimate that the winternight sapphire is of exceptional quality and worth approximately 16900 silvers.
No wonder these things are so rare. I don't think that's even fully purified since it turned into an orb. 🤣

opal pine
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Stormcloud alexandrites are pretty juicy too

cloud orchid
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I'm excited for my next video...here is a still preview

cyan lynx
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Those look remarkably similar to how I see the creatures.

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Except the valravn has eyes!

cloud orchid
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One of the beauties of Rawknuckle’s chalk drawings is that …he doesnt really know!

cyan lynx
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I assumed Rawknuckle would sound more like me on a bad day.

stoic venture
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The disir is so pretty

cloud orchid
cyan lynx
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Oh.

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(I had my sound off at the beginning.)

chilly valve
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This guy caught me .1 second perfect.... skill diff

You are now in an offensive stance.

A ghost of rage twists a withered shadow-cloaked draugr's decaying features!
Wisps of shadow follow the arc of a withered shadow-cloaked draugr's arm as he swings a huge black alloy greatsword at you!
AS: +667 vs DS: +556 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +27 = +180
DEAD

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I blame disabler review for this malarky!

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Died in my first hunt of 2024..... not a good sign

frosty junco
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You at max dodge?

chilly valve
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yeah

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Man o man I love HW!
In the thanot strongbox you see a petrified warg fang, a piece of coppery titanite, a cushion-cut diamond earcuff, an oblong platinum nugget, a metal wand and some silver coins.

frosty junco
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It’s worth the danger of getting sliced into a pastrami sandwich by those draugrs.

nimble hound
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I have a question on volley with something riding a mastadon. I keep getting this when I do it

>volley
You can't reach a brawny gigas shield-maiden while she is riding the armored battle mastodon!
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Of course I have an alias setup for volley volley = weapon volley

Also the mastadons are getting their freak on

```A heavily armored battle mastodon rides a heavily armored battle mastodon in, the mastodon limping with every great step.```
stuck blade
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Gotta make them new spawns somehow

cyan lynx
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That's been fixed (again).

nimble hound
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Which one? The mastadon’s pda or the volley?

cyan lynx
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Mastodons.

pliant hatch
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Polychromatic tentacles wrap about you as you chant the phrase for Mental Dispel...
Your spell is ready.
>
>cast #14757073
You gesture at a chaotic spatial anomaly.
The Spatial anomaly collapses in upon itself, rapidly dwindling away.
Cast Roundtime 2 Seconds.
Cast Roundtime 2 Seconds.```These do the weird double cast RT messaging too (like globes/rifts used to in ME)
cyan lynx
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Yup.

stoic venture
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You have indicated that you will not accept bounties on Ascended creatures.
Do I have to go all the way back to Icemule just to change this so I can get a bounty in Hinterwilds?

near arch
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yes hahaha

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I did this too

worthy knoll
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you can go fry, get 8 gigas fragments and just teleport back both ways if you don't wanna ride the thing

stoic venture
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It looks like the ascension ban/whatever removes the ban commands were never added to the wiki.

pearl hearth
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Or if you have FWI access you can switch it there too.

cloud orchid
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Hey so...just asking. Are disir still able to drop feathers or was that turned off?

worthy knoll
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I got a plume today, so I assume feathers still exist too

pearl hearth
cloud orchid
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awesome. thanks. yeah, I find lots valravn quills. I'm up to like 6. but only one disir feather

pliant hatch
pearl hearth
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Oh, I’ve absolutely switched it there. Didn’t want to trek back to Icemule (easy as the portal is).

pliant hatch
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Yeah I just tried, that does work, neat

strong raft
pliant hatch
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Is there a specific kind of sanctuary that could maybe make spell 1004 not work, and if so, could it maybe be applied to the Pipe Den? No reason

cloud orchid
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Great example of why having every room in a town be a node would be wonderful

stuck blade
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As you move to attack a bloody halfling  cannibal, the  cannibal shrinks away from you, baring sharpened teeth as she darts into the shadows!
Roundtime: 4 sec.```
Some weird messaging here.  I'm TWC.
cyan lynx
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Hrm.

strong raft
blazing fable
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Are the debuffs associated to hypothermia listed somewhere in the wiki? (Assuming there are debuffs from stacked hypothermia)

tribal quarry
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There aren't debuffs. You just take progressively more damage and, eventually, actual wounds.

blazing fable
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Ok thanks; trying to figure out why my AS drops ~30pts at times when fighting gigas.

viral aspen
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Something weird with the snowblind diamonds...

put dia in my beak
You add a brilliant snowblind diamond to the contents of the blue glass beaker.
put beaker in locker
You place the blue glass beaker in the locker, and it quickly disappears.
rummage chest ingredient snowblind diamond
You rummage through a deep chest, but can't seem to locate any ingredient like that.
get blue bea from chest
You remove a dark blue glass beaker containing brilliant snowblind diamonds from in a deep chest.
(tried this using brilliant diamond as well)
Same issus with the "spruce green emerald" as well.

opal pine
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They aren’t marked as alchemy ingredients yet. There’s another thread, but I think the short answer is replace ingredient with for

viral aspen
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Thank you! I'm so used to using "ingredient" with any gem I didn't even think about if they were applicable for alchemy or not.

sharp raptor
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Are there any plans to detail the lore around the Hinterwilds in the near future?

Here in Q1 I plan on doing a bit of retooling to Myharl's backstory (and finish up several parts of his wiki I never got around to). He was originally from an unnamed nomadic tribe of kindred in the deserts of the Southron Wastes (based on details/descriptions from the time when the area was accessible via the first Wave Dancer), but with the introduction of the Maeramil clan, and the nomadic Firewalkers, there is official lore that works for the character now. Since the Hinterwilds plays a huge part in where his character development has gone (he is very much the dark, brooding kindred wyrmslayer from the Endless Winter, cursed and worn grim by the dark magic there), would love to have something to riff off of rather than bending bits of gathered lore from the environs to fit a concept.

worthy knoll
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there's been a decent amount of lore about the area released, but a lot has been released in different forms during icemule RP events

Gigas being kinda precurser giantkin, the pits and kinda corruption of the gigas being related to the body of Zerroth that rests above it in a dead/not dead state. The disir are basically valkerie's that help sheppard the dead, the ones you fight being ones that have gone insane due to the above. The undersawmers being the larval states of the wyrms. Halfling village there established by a far ancestor of the Dabbings family of halflings.

The halflings being afflicted with curses that turn the cannibals and then into wendigos (this is all pretty on par for wendigo lore it's pretty terrifying)

There's a connection to the rainbow road place, which is very much kinda a bifrost analog, and likely leads to other dimensions or such in the same essence of asgard or vahalla.

cloud orchid
worthy knoll
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I'm not sure how much of all that is actually compiled anywhere, but there's been a good amount released just not nessecarily in wiki articles

sharp raptor
cloud orchid
worthy knoll
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hmm ok, I know it's the origin of those tablets of life and death, and where the disir kinda live/exist

cloud orchid
worthy knoll
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I also think there's a lot left open, as it'll be used in potential future storylines

cloud orchid
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The place is a masterclass in hunting ground design imo. There are details in there right down to unique voln kill messaging for some critters.

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I'm also curious what was going on with those reputation messages from the gigas villages for awhile there

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I think the most impressive part of the HW for me is the internal consistency of the place. Everything in it and every critter in it being where it is makes sense

sharp raptor
cloud orchid
cyan lynx
cloud orchid
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Wait til you see my next vid

cyan lynx
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There are some very intentional nods to Robin Hobb's Realm of the Elderlings in the Hinterwilds.

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Stone dragons, magical pillars allowing transportation across vast distances, etc.

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The River of Color is somewhere between her metaphysical 'river' of the Skill, her magic system, and the weird space between worlds used in Skimming in Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time.

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I try not to rip anything off wholesale even when paying homage, though. Wyrms turn to stone when they die, rather than being constructs carved out of memory stone like in her books. The obelisks tie into Navigator/Chronomage lore and have largely become their own metastory in GS.

sharp raptor
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The obelisks tie into Navigator/Chronomage lore That's very cool. The first "quest" / short storyline I participated in (like almost 25 years ago) was literally with a group questing to locate the obelisk of the Navigators. Love fun unintentional nods like that.

cyan lynx
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Everything started with the obelisk in Danjirland.

cloud orchid
cyan lynx
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Senzai Reise called the Wyrmslayer the "Wyrms-layer" and that made my night.

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This made me really happy. I had forgotten how much joy I felt in designing the Hinterwilds. goldenkobold

cloud orchid
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I've said its a masterclass of a hunting ground. Its why i picked it

cyan lynx
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Once I'm done with a project, I tend to move on, but there was a lot of love in the lore there. I'm glad it comes through.

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(Cold River Fishing, though, is on my project list.)

cloud orchid
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It definitely does. Especially if you look for it. One of the thing I love about using AI art is that I can quickly visualize things that the written word I struggle with. Somehow, the AI is better a drawing the words in the rooms than I am at imagining them

cyan lynx
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I'd say most of it is pretty accurate, tbh.

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Sparkfinger looks a little more like Donald Sutherland than I expected, but otherwise... 😛

cloud orchid
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yeah, that was harder. I didn't want to turn him into like a cartoon lunatic halfling.so I just kind of went with halfing alchemist on that one.

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next one is likely to be moonsedge. Or Sanctum.

cyan lynx
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I'll have to keep rolling out Ascension areas.

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I do think I'd like the next one to be more like Hinterwilds in scope and scale, which means it's probably not on the table for this year.

cloud orchid
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Oh, I'm going to do other stuff to. Towns. And pay event grounds. Old hunting grounds I just have a fondness for

timid shuttle
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Sounds like Teras goes into lava next for Auchand. He has 1000 ideas no doubt

zealous nimbus
tough swan
cyan lynx
fair comet
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make evil gnomes with clockwork beasts that take over cavernhold, with steam attacks, so much steam

opal pine
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Interesting, she carried a stylish soot black belt on her.```
Uh oh, they're training. Disir-fu sounds scary
cloud orchid
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can you imagine if they wooped out the old school fu? LOL

blazing fable
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Disir are just old PCs who went demonic?

pliant hatch
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It had a tuft of wendigo hair.```Well that's new.
cloud orchid
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Hey nice! Lets goooo with the rare drops👏

pliant hatch
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I got 6 in one hunt I don't think these are rare lol. They are apparently alchemy raegents, consignment buys them for almost nothing

cloud orchid
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Lol. My sadness is profound

sharp raptor
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So, the next question is... what can they be used for. New alchemy ingredients likely means new recipe. Hinterwilds specific alchemy ingredients could mean something fun for the Hinterwilds.

cloud orchid
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make your own wendigo from a local halfling

frosty junco
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There are HW foraging bounties that are impossible to complete, right? Like alyssum (spelling?) and a few others? Please tell me I’m not crazy

tribal quarry
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There are some I've found no way to get, yeah. I assume it has to do with ||the sybil somehow||.

cloud orchid
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I doubt it, honestly. I've been in that room(s) a few times and I don't think there is anything forageable in there.

viral aspen
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I believe the bounty system uses the room data to determine what herbs are available for each bounty. Maybe Auchund has as secret garden room on high that we can't access where he looks down upon all the foragers fruitlessly searching for x, cackling gleefully all the while.

Or maybe not?

cloud orchid
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i'm due for a sybil solo run when i find my next disir feather. I'll make sure to forage sense when in there

cyan lynx
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It shouldn't but I will check.

frosty junco
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That would be pretty interesting if there were still some hidden rooms where some of these herbs are. Buttercup is another one that can’t be found, I believe (I do a lot of foraging bounties)

sharp raptor
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I'm still convinced there are unexplored rooms because of the wyrm behavior observed over the years. 😄 From obvervation I also feel like they are located off the Angargreft somehow. What I can't decide is whether I think the area is intentionally cut off for stoylines, unreleased area, etc. or if there is an unsolved puzzle we haven't discovered yet (glances at the hinges and dragon altar).

cloud orchid
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I always assumed the burrow in angargreft has unfound secrets

frosty junco
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I basically never go into the burrow because it’s only oozes and undansormrs. Yuck.

cloud orchid
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Wouldnt surprise me to learn we find interior angargreft rooms to coincide with charms release

sharp raptor
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I just realized poor Rawknuckle's wife got turned into a Wendigo. 😰

cyan lynx
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With shudder, Rawknuckle shakes his head.  "Sometimes I hear my wife calling from the woods.  She begs, pleads for me to come look for her.  I know it's them.  They're always hungry."```
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Not necessarily.

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They mimic voices perfectly.

full talon
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Check all the Wendigo for her tattoo.

cyan lynx
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It's a butterfly on her lower back. 😦

sharp raptor
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It appears the wendigos have stopped shedding.

frosty junco
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Anyone else with 1x skinning and 1x first aid notice a big difference lately in: a) odds of successfully skinning HW critters, and b) skin quality?

I previously would have something like a 90% success rate selling skins for “fair” quality bounties. It’s down closer to 50% now. And fine and exceptional rates have also gone way down.

Feels like something changed a few weeks ago… I have no hard data, but I do a ton of bounties so I’m fairly confident I’m right about this 🙂

sharp raptor
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I haven't kept a close eye on things, as I just skin and sell in bulk after each hunt, but I have noticed the overall silvers generated seem to have decreased a bit, I was regularly pulling 25-30k+ per run, and that's falling into the 18-20k range now, and that's at 2x/2x. So, something might have changed? I just skin with my warsword, so have never worried about value, and just keep selling until a skinning task is complete. I thought maybe valravns just weren't spawnning as much or somtehing.

cloud orchid
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Ive been banging the gong since mid december about it.

frosty junco
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Okay glad it’s not just me. Honestly I care less about the values and more about the skin quality, since it has become a real nuisance to do skinning bounties lately. I’ve got 2x first aid and survival on my training radar for this year, but will be a while before I can get that done

pearl hearth
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Going for the eyes on hinterboars used to ruin the mane’s quality, but aiming for the necks wouldn’t (though it seemed counterintuitive). I’ve noticed that recently switched, so that the eyes are now a better target than the neck.

strong raft
sharp raptor
marsh canyon
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Where you aim, if you can aim, makes a big difference.

tribal quarry
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One day. One fine day I'll actually fully purify an ebon winternight sapphire without it turning into an orb along the way, unraveling the secrets of its max value.

raise fist

opal pine
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Reagents [69]: a tuft of wendigo hair (69). Can probably craft my own now

cloud orchid
cyan lynx
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I haven't done anything to make wendigos shed.

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FWIW.

worthy knoll
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I think there was a bug overall going on that was making anything with a regent skin type drop, drop 100% of the time, in the inner weild of the red forest, the dire wolves there 100% were dropping eyes too every kill, which is not normal

strong raft
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That burrow area with the undansorms and oozes has an interesting number of overlayed Norse runes when viewed from the map. I wouldn’t be surprised if it held undiscovered secrets.

strong raft
cloud orchid
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Totally agree. Lots of interesting things there

shy torrent
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Touching the untouched cloth is one of the little enjoyments of playing in a text based world (in the burrow area)

strong raft
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Eldurhaart is shaped like the Norse rune for shield, Ojandhaart like the rune of heritage, Fjallarhaart like the rune of wealth (lol, and my favorite area), and etc. A lot of care went into design/synergy and is my favorite hunting ground in the game.

cloud orchid
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It really is.

lime knot
sharp raptor
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Just curious, has anyone checked for loresongs? Especially on like the hinges in the gigas villages, the dragon altar, the artifacts in the pit, or the tapestry in the burrows? I have a pocket bard for my shop, but they won't survive the Hinterwilds outside of Cold River. If there's a bard about who's frequently beyond the long snow, would love to know. I'm still convinced there's a another puzzle up there (as well as undiscovered areas) around the Angargreft.

strong raft
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I’ll loresing to them when I get home. Do I sing at items in the room or is there a syntax to reveal history of the whole room ?

ashen tapir
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What's the wendigo hair for? The alchemist consignment shop will buy them for a pittance @cloud orchid

lime knot
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no one knows. they just started showing up (along with at least one other random alchemy-looking thing) and no one's found any rhyme or reason to it that i've seen. Auchand said he didn't add the wendigo tufts making it extra weird.

cloud orchid
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Yeah. Its a mystery

sharp raptor
# strong raft I’ll loresing to them when I get home. Do I sing at items in the room or is ther...

I'm thinking the items directly, but I think there is a way to do a room-wide loresong... I'm not sure how, sorry. If you want I can make a list of locations of stuff that looks like it might be part of a puzzle.

Edit: Just info from the wiki:


>sense
You sense the threads of history resonating within a wrought iron gate.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

vs.

>sense
You do not sense any particular histories resonating in the room.

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Then you can target a loresong with "loresing ::[target] *loresong rhyme*"

So, sounds like you can just sense in those rooms to check for loresongs.

sharp raptor
lime knot
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I don't know if it's dropped in HW specifically but "a gold-green essence shard"

sharp raptor
cloud orchid
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haven't seen that

ivory crescent
cloud orchid
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thats just a gem

ivory crescent
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Right. But most gems get the not useful response, except for the ones that are useful.

cyan lynx
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I have not put loresongs on things in the Hinterwilds.

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My excuse is that I did the whole Hinterwilds project solo, so by the end I basically collapsed into a bucket like Odo.

tired sky
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Solid reference Auch!

lime knot
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Liquid, actually.

cyan lynx
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Link with me.

azure mantle
rocky galleon
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@sharp raptor wyrm?

sharp raptor
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Oh! On my way.
We killed the first wyrm, but the undead wyrm that spawned got away.

rocky galleon
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@sharp raptor round 2?

sharp raptor
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Yes! Did you see where it landed, I was afk for about 5 minutes. 😄

sharp raptor
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Just doing the math, that one was close to being fell. A few less swarmy targets there at the end and it would have dropped. But had to heal, and it flew off in like the 3 minutes I was gone. 😄

chilly valve
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oh yeah, 5 underarmor scale bounty took 5 minutes for [You have earned 4352 bounty points, 715 experience points, and 4613 silver.]

chilly valve
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2 in a row, wahooo! [You have earned 4110 bounty points, 825 experience points, and 5173 silver.]

cedar charm
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Damn… do all skinning bounties in HW award that many points?

cloud orchid
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if you can stomach needing 9 exceptional valravn skins....

cedar charm
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been trying to skin Hinterboars all morning....I see what you mean.

opal pine
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What the. The highest I've ever gotten for any bounty is like 2500. How the heck are you breaking 4k. Edit: Okay I guess I do have one for 4075. Still, crazypants

sharp raptor
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lol. Who slipped the wyrm caffeine?

cyan lynx
sharp raptor
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lol. A bit. Behavior seemed about the same, but was like someone swapped out its talons for claidhs. I haven't been critted that many times that fast in decades. 😄 And that's with VHC/VHD padding plate, armor reinforcement, and like 50% DF Redux.

cyan lynx
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Hrm.

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Do animated disir still cause problems by attacking other players?

exotic haven
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disir can no longer be animated 😦

cyan lynx
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Oh, yes. Thanks, I had forgotten.

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Or I just needed to rub some salt in the wound.

worthy knoll
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you could... always let us animate them again if you wanna test that though hah

cloud orchid
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Grundael takes the valravn plume, examines it carefully, then hands you 625 silvers.
You ask Grundael if he would like to buy an inky black valravn plume.
Grundael takes the valravn plume, examines it carefully, then hands you 725 silvers.

Grundael takes the valravn plume, examines it carefully, then hands you 525 silvers.```
I love loot pressure and skin pressure and all the other pressures of one player's hyperactivity reducing the gains of another player...
sharp raptor
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Yeah, never been a fan of loot pressure. It's nonsensical. It rewards the wrong kind of behavior while penalizing others who play by the rules. Lootcap I get. Loot pressure is a system skewed in favor of distracted scripters. In fact, I haven't had anyone explain in any way that remotely makes sense why we need both. MA I guess? It can be frustrating to pop an ascension box from the Hinterwilds, only to find 600 silver and a tigerfang crystal. 😄

sharp raptor
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Random thought, just for kicks: we're already tracking how much loot a character earns (for soft and hard lootcap), Why not make a halfway point between zero and softcap where loot pressure doesn't apply? That way the little guys don't get slammed by the farmers. I think it was reported that the majority of characters are earning under 2mil a month, that's low enough that it wouldn't entice MA farmers; they're going to hit lootcap before the month ends anyway.

cloud orchid
cloud orchid
sharp raptor
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Or really, just simplify all that and do a loot version of Lumnis. First 2mil silvers earned in a month has a constant minor loot boost applied.

chilly valve
stuck blade
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The only explanation as to why loot pressure remains is that removing it and adjusting nothing else would result in a large influx of silver generation overall and that is not a goal to allow the bottom 95% to acquire more silver wealth.

near arch
worthy knoll
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How would it be a nerf? Curious, if there's zero pressure you'd get the same loot as normal, if there is pressure, at least for the first couple mil silvers or whatnot, you'd ignore that pressure, then it'd go back to as is today. So it'd only help people really that don't even come close to soft cap

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Everyone else it should be the same

near arch
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Because pressure increases loot in areas that are hunted less than average

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This is the key thing about pressure!

worthy knoll
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but that wouldn't change? this is just kinda upping the floor in some areas not lowering any others

lime knot
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i think the point is as written, it wouldn't. if you disable loot pressure affecting a character, then they get nelemar loot everywhere. the poor areas are the base amounts, richer areas are receiving a bonus because of loot pressure. Not the other way around.

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it's a bit of semantic argument. "characters should better loot on average for the first x silver a month" could happen through whatever means. i think tikba was just pointing out that in the past (too lazy to dig up the post but i remember this also) we were told pressure is a bonus not a penalty.

cloud orchid
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The hinterwilds is supposed to have a built in extra value on loot. My 525 silver skin wants to know what the actual non-boosted value of this would be, cause its pathetic.

near arch
versed sail
stuck blade
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This might explain why moonsedge is poor if those creatures share a template with any other creature in the game that is heavily hunted and why bandits are always poor because they share a template across the entire game if I understood his comments correctly.

opal pine
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Bandits are poor because they keep trying to hijack PCs, who (according to #1190341191074594846 ) are also all poor. They need to start hunting zones with better loot so that we can then hijack them!

worthy knoll
near arch
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That’s totally different from what was proposed!

sharp raptor
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Yep, that's why I suggested instead to simplify have "the first 2mil silvers earned in a month has a constant minor loot boost applied". This sort of spins off the treasure improvement thread, but was relevant here to the HW conversation. The fact is, we are looking for ways to make treasure more appealing to the vast majority of the player base... not being penalized for an area being farmed seems like it would be pretty great for 95% of the player base. I'm quite sure that the 1-2 mil a month earned by the majority of players isn't the excess silver we're worried about draining for game silver, so making the process of getting there a bit more rewarding seems like a win to me.

near arch
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That’s something I suggested too actually haha but wyrom’s view has consistently been that that would be an enormous increase to silver generation (because the average player would spend almost all their time in the boost zone) and thus would be bad for the economy, even if it reduced the gap between low engagement and high engagement players

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Basically it would work too well

sharp raptor
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That perspective tracks with the recent push to alternative currency and normalization and devaluing silver. Problem is, that isn't a solution, it just kicks the can further down the road since the top 5% of earners simply create a secondary market to trade currency. In the end, with that pathway, the top earners are only really affected by loot cap, while the rest of the player base feels penalized for the actions of those top earners because they never even get close. There has to be a bottom up redistribution if you want to normalize the value of engagement. Limiting the top tier was step one, step two is going to have to involve some sort of boosting lower earners or the problem just persists (albeit scaled).

earnest spire
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A one time YOLO silver drain. HESS wagon outside of a pay event, all the same services, transmutes, etc. Put a silver number on it and let us all go absolutely ham for a couple weeks. Just one time. Then let loot cap work once everything is even.

sharp raptor
tribal quarry
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I'm quite sure that the 1-2 mil a month earned by the majority of players isn't the excess silver we're worried about draining for game silver
I actually wouldn't agree with that at all. GM and/or Wyrom comments on everything from event boxes to OSA to NPC locksmiths to raffle tickets to gemstones (the post-cap system) to ranger trinket potions to the enhancive reroller has led me to believe that the median earner is exactly what staff is trying to keep from spiraling out of control.

(Edit: and I know people might wonder "which comments?", so I'm looking them up again.)

earnest spire
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I'm mostly being tongue in cheek but I just find it funny where it's basically, "How do we drain silver?" "Give me something to buy." "It's a mystery."

sharp raptor
sharp raptor
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Needed for Silver Drain: a solution that works as well as the grand auctions, but without the dev investment for so many unique items, but also doesn't impact SIMU event sales.

tribal quarry
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Okay, here's most of what I had in mind:

#mechanics message

This reminds me... 330 needs its 50k silver component.
Yndrael — 02/24/2022 9:33 AM
Ensorcell doesn’t have one either you just prep channel. If we’re gonna add annoyance to 330 let’s get 735 too
SpiffyJr — 02/24/2022 9:34 AM
All of them really should. Silver drains are important, and they all add up.```
#mechanics message
```[an entire discussion with Naijin about the earliest vision for gemstones (then charms); wouldn't stand out on its own, but add in the context of what he said above about 50k silver drains being important and it paints a picture]```
#1049529762407792761 message
```Wyrom — 12/11/2022 2:15 PM
[In 2022] I can safely say we really did a number so far on the in-game wealth as a whole.  It's tough to touch the top 5% in terms of their individual wealth, but the bottom 95% are pretty wiped out. ```
[#1139093815924379778 message](/guild/226045346399256576/thread/1139093815924379778/p/1146435343160197210/#msg-1146600279962288149)
```Wyrom OP — 08/30/2023 5:20 PM
Gross silver generation is in the billions every month, but the game does a good job at draining a lot of silver on its own these days.```
#1190341191074594846 message
```Wyrom — 01/15/2024 1:52 PM
The game does a good job at keeping silver relevant on the low end though, so someone who makes only a million silver a month probably struggles with keeping much if they interact with most game systems.```
#1190341191074594846 message
```Wyrom — 01/15/2024 2:01 PM
Locksmith pool is something that has damaged silver in a major way because everyone interacts with boxes now.  [...] Now all the silver is in game every single day.```
sharp raptor
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"It's tough to touch the top 5% in terms of their individual wealth, but the bottom 95% are pretty wiped out " and "someone who makes only a million silver a month probably struggles with keeping much if they interact with most game systems" I mean, that just kind of says it all for me. I feel like I couldn't have made my point any better myself. lol

tribal quarry
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Yeah, but the difference is that Wyrom seems to be considering this a success ("a good job at keeping silver relevant on the low end").

sharp raptor
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Oh yeah, absolutely, I totally get that's the perspective. To clarify: I don't see 95% of your player base struggling to play the game as being a desirable goal. Finding ways to make engagement more rewarding while finding ways that provide fun opportunities for everyone is a perspective I'd much rather see embraced (and honestly, I feel like this is something the staff works very hard towards, the treasure reward system just isn't very good at it is very bad at it).

worthy knoll
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The only way to actually affect the top silver is with inflation, where yes you raise the amount everyone makes at the low end, but then also proportionally raise silver costs, which would devalue silver but also make it easier to make closer to what a farmer can make.

I don't necessarily think this is a good idea, but it is a key to real world economies.

tribal quarry
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Found the raffle ticket comment I was thinking of, from during the great explosion of EG 2020 Drama:

#ebon-gate message

Raffle prices being higher is expected to be a trend along with services and even off the shelf items. We have had the cost of raffles and services drop over the years to basically nothing and this has contributed to the idea that silver has no value.```
(I'm like 90% sure this was a GM, though I forget who exactly)
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All this said, circling back to on-topic...

You estimate that the total value of your valravn plumes is approximately 17500 silvers.```
```You turn the undansormr scaless over in your hands, meticulously inspecting for flaws.  You estimate that of the 6 scaless in your bundle, all of them are magnificent quality.
You estimate that the total value of your undansormr scaless is approximately 21600 silvers.```
...from just last night, as I haven't unloaded yet. I'm a good skinner, but Hinterwilds loot is still fantastic compared to most places. There are extremely few areas in the game where you could get a skin worth 1750 from a creature that can also drop boxes!
worthy knoll
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That's with 2x fa and survival I assume

tribal quarry
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Yes.

worthy knoll
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Yeah, my experience has been about 500-1000ish skins from undansormrs with just survival. But it's better than nothing

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And not bad all things considered as that's basically every one of them. I

sharp raptor
# worthy knoll The only way to actually affect the top silver is with inflation, where yes you ...

I think this is kind of spot on. Redistribution of wealth is about buying power, not a number. The more narrow the gap, the healthier the economy. Loot cap was the first step, but regulating for the top tier by itself doesn't accomplish the goal, the bottom tier has to gain some of that buying power. The market tends to find a middle ground (see cost to participate and secondary market values) within that gap... the problem is currently that the wealth gap is so wide that the "middle ground" still tends to be pushed out of reach of the bottom tier. That leaves two viable options for the majority of the player base if they want to participate: 1) the market none shall talk about here, or 2) mindlessly farming.

cloud orchid
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Watching statements like this are the bits that grind my gears. Tap dancing past the graveyard, as it were.

Congrats, we bankrupted most players. Now we’ll keep them that way. What a success! Here is your 100k EG raffle ticket price, just make sure you hand us $35 dollars first

image0.jpg
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Absolutely nothing has improved for the vast majorty of players because of the loot cap.

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The bitter irony is that if median earnings are falling (they are according to Wyrom) and some folks still loot cap routinely, the gap is only growing, not shrinking.

frosty junco
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I don’t see how trying to attack the wealth gap in GS is going to be productive. Wealthier real life players, or players willing to sink more cash into simucoins, are always going to have the best stuff. Even if silvers get redistributed, it has no impact on players’ effective buying power.

Also… we should probably move this chat over to the treasure improvement thread, right?

cloud orchid
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Probably

sharp raptor
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Silver's (the number) don't need to be redistributed, buying power does. It's just at the moment those are one and the same. Part of that may be finding ways to make desirable items/services more affordable without oversaturating the market. Ultimately, if the rewards don't provide benefit, they're not rewards, they're a requirement to play (i.e. interacting with the system). A game without rewards is... well... boring and has very low engagement value. Edit: living paycheck-to-paycheck isn't really anyone's idea of fun.

Also, yeah, convo veered a bit off topic. 😄 But as HW is an ascension hunting ground with top tier loot, it was an organic conversation.

frosty junco
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I’m not so sure I agree that relative buying power needs to change, but I do believe that more interesting things in the treasure system (with realistic drop rates for casual players) and more non-transferable stuff given as treasure system rewards would make more of the “normal 95%” of players more satisfied

Maybe some of this could apply only to Ascension areas, to give people who aren’t super silver focused a little extra incentive to come play around in HW or the other new areas

sharp raptor
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Yeah, there definitely needs to be something. I think it's a little less about the "haves and have nots" and a little bit more about the perception of what people get in return for investing their time at a reasonable level. The two are intrinsically related (wealth distribution and the treasure system), but they're really two different conversations. I feel like the #1190341191074594846 thread is leaning much more in the direction of "making loot more fun" instead of "solving the wealth gap/silver drain issue." I haven't pinged over there about it because I feel like it could derail what has been a really productive and engaging thread.

cloud orchid
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Some actual HW content

[SMR result: 259 (Open d100: 57, Bonus: 141)]
Striking high and low, you sweep your blades at a withered shadow-cloaked draugr!
  AS: +706 vs DS: +512 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +58 = +281
   ... and hit for 99 points of damage!
   Neck removed, head falls to the ground.
You hear a sound like a child weeping as a white glow separates itself from the shadow-cloaked draugr's body and rises into the heavens.
Electric blue light pours from the draugr's eye sockets and erupts from her tattoos, leaving only a shadowy cadaver behind as animation departs a withered shadow-cloaked draugr.
You angle both blades at a withered shadow-cloaked draugr in crosswise slash!
  AS: +706 vs DS: +517 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +48 = +266
   ... and hit for 94 points of damage!
   Neck removed, head falls to the ground.
You hear a sound like a child weeping as a white glow separates itself from the shadow-cloaked draugr's body and rises into the heavens.
Electric blue light pours from the draugr's eye sockets and erupts from her tattoos, leaving only a shadowy cadaver behind as animation departs a withered shadow-cloaked draugr.

 ** Necrotic energy from your eahnor cresset sword overflows into you! **

   You feel energized!
You remain alert and nimble, ready to move.
Roundtime: 4 sec.```

Thats fun.
rocky galleon
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What is the possibility that an NPC town cleric might decide to take up residence in Cold River?

cloud orchid
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Call upon Brother DePartconfirm. He is wise and knowing

tribal quarry
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I think he might be in cahoots with Big Salve, though.

cloud orchid
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BigSalve is one of VolnCo's top advertisers. We approve

sharp raptor
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I've never actually seen what the Disir Radiance does when you die. Anyone else? I might have to snag it next time I'm wyrm hunting to see.

worthy knoll
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it teleports your body to the GY in town

cloud orchid
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thinking about it, I'd like to see that messaging myself. Or if anyone has a clip, I'd love to see it.

rocky galleon
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@sharp raptor you want to go kill <die valiantly fighting> a Wyrm?

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Some buggy message interaction between bloodspeakers and briar: Vines of vicious briars whip out from your golvern tomahawk, raking the bloodspeake with its thorns. The bloodspeake looks slightly ill as the glistening emerald coating from each briar works itself under its skin.

sharp raptor
rocky galleon
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Have changes been made to the Wyrm?

sharp raptor
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lol, yeah. That's insanity. I'm wearing full plate that's VHD + VHC padded with puncture/crush/slash resistance, with 5 rank armor reinforcement, and exactly 47.07% DFredux. Got hit, stunned for 10 rounds. 😄 I think the engagement lasted about 5 seconds before I was dropped.

sharp raptor
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This is a single volley from the wyrm now the moment I walk into the room in full defensive stance... Every hit is like a claid, and it's very close to bopping me fully defensive.

  AS: +539 vs DS: +866 with AvD: +15 + d100 roll: +15 = -297
   A clean miss.

A silver-scaled cold wyrm plants her feet wide, her immense claws digging into the ground.  She draws in a deep breath as the venom glands to either side of her neck swell precipitously.  Reptilian visage twisting with contempt, the cold wyrm opens her maw and sprays a frigid slurry of caustic sludge at you!
[SMR result: 135 (Open d100: 87)]
The toxic wave consumes you, searing away your flesh!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Splash of acid hits shoulder and runs down the back in a painful trail.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   You wince as the cold blast numbs your left arm

A silver-scaled cold wyrm's eyes whirl with glints of furious amber and sullen crimson!
Cold rage blossoms in a silver-scaled cold wyrm's slit-pupiled eyes as she focuses her fury on you in a flurry of vicious attacks!
A silver-scaled cold wyrm lashes out with a scythe-like talon at you!
By amazing chance, you evade the attack!

Striking like lightning, a silver-scaled cold wyrm snaps at you with a maw full of serrated fangs!
  AS: +806 vs DS: +817 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +34 = +30
   A clean miss.

A silver-scaled cold wyrm lashes out with a scythe-like talon at you!
  AS: +806 vs DS: +817 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +23 = +19
   A clean miss.

Striking like lightning, a silver-scaled cold wyrm snaps at you with a maw full of serrated fangs!
  AS: +806 vs DS: +817 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +43 = +39
   A clean miss.

A silver-scaled cold wyrm lashes out with a scythe-like talon at you!
Amazingly, you manage to parry the attack with your warsword!

A silver-scaled cold wyrm lashes out with a scythe-like talon at you!
At the last moment, you parry the blow with your warsword!

Cold rage blossoms in a silver-scaled cold wyrm's slit-pupiled eyes as she focuses her fury on you in a flurry of vicious attacks!
Her hind legs bunching powerfully, a silver-scaled cold wyrm sweeps her immense tail at you!
With no room to spare, you manage to parry the blow with your sacred warsword!

A silver-scaled cold wyrm lashes out with a scythe-like talon at you!
  AS: +806 vs DS: +817 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +80 = +76
   A clean miss.

A silver-scaled cold wyrm lashes out with a scythe-like talon at you!
  AS: +806 vs DS: +817 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +42 = +38
   A clean miss.

A silver-scaled cold wyrm lashes out with a scythe-like talon at you!
  AS: +806 vs DS: +817 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +74 = +70
   A clean miss.

A silver-scaled cold wyrm lashes out with a scythe-like talon at you!
  AS: +806 vs DS: +817 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +66 = +62
   A clean miss.

Her hind legs bunching powerfully, a silver-scaled cold wyrm sweeps her immense tail at you!
You barely manage to block the attack with your shield!```
fair comet
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didn't think he had that much AS before... (nm regarding AS, prior logs show that for me, gets boosted by that cold rage thing I think)

sharp raptor
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Right, nor all the weighting on it's attack... or that many attacks. That's all before I could slap the macro for berserk. 😄

fair comet
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hmm, maybe I ought to have some 412 wands handy

sharp raptor
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That might help. I'm not sure how that can be fought against. Groups are still limited to less than five, and with volleys at that level pretty much any direct square attack is going to result in a stun or drop 5 seconds later with the next volley, and risk getting locked out from everything with sympathy at the start of that next round. Elemental attack spells get negated by it's barrier, it's immune to crits, immune to elemental flares as long as it has mana, tackle and sleep keep it down for about 2 seconds, and it can't be stunned or limbed (even beheaded it just keeps going). Can be rooted, swarms cause it to run around inanely fast avoiding them. DOT is ineffective because it can "repair" it's wounds pretty quick as part of its actions. Only remaining tactic I can think of is: hide/ambush/ping maybe while just hoping to avoid sympathy. We'll see!

fair comet
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I suppose if it's got claid weighting now, just gotta have 800 DS, so perhaps back to fighting in forward or advanced stance, and needing to keep the swarms at bay

sharp raptor
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I'm not sure how to calculate exactly what it has as far a weighting. I just know the only other time he gets crit and stunned that way has been getting beaned by a claidh. Myharl is built to take hits, so when something phases him, it's an exception.

pliant hatch
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Anticipating pures immediately vaporizing into a fine paste if they're even in the same room as the wyrm at this point

cloud orchid
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Im treating the wyrm as a powerful void and avoiding

sharp raptor
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I think I'll likely stop trying to time my visits intentionally to catch it for the time being, but if I see one land, Myharl will still put out the call and go after it. It's... who he is. Luckily I have a bunch of salve and GotG to refill those deeds. 😄

cyan lynx
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A-void the wyrm. She has a lot of stuff going on at the moment. Trying to have a clutch, one of her hatchlings is in jail, and she's just trying to balance that out with the struggles of being a working dragon girl.

earnest spire
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Big Game Hunter confirmed.

chilly valve
cyan lynx
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I rolled in a small tweak to wyrms to make them a little less caffeinated.

fair comet
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hahaha, wyrm is so buff now

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seems to often mstrike with 806 AS, and I can't speak to the weighting since I don't think that was hitting me

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looks like attacks every 3 seconds, and I'm getting stun locked from the maneuver attacks A silver-scaled cold wyrm plants her feet wide, her immense claws digging into the ground. She draws in a deep breath as the venom glands to either side of her neck swell precipitously. Reptilian visage twisting with contempt, the cold wyrm opens her maw and sprays a frigid slurry of caustic sludge at you! [SMR result: 151 (Open d100: 84, Bonus: 3)] The toxic wave consumes you, searing away your flesh! ... 8 points of damage! Nasty burn eats the skin away from the spine! You are stunned for 2 rounds! The protective web surrounding you deflects some of the freezing damage, briefly pulsing in time with the grapevine ankle-cuff that you bear! ... 3 points of damage! You just got the cold shoulder! The thorny barrier surrounding you blocks the attack from the cold wyrm! lots of that stuff, and it looks like DS might have gone up? I'm seeing 536 DS vs ranged attacks

pliant hatch
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first time i went near a wyrm in months, died of HP loss in 12 seconds, all the redux in the world doesn't matter if you have 174 hp I guess lol. can't speak to any of the tweaks since i didn't know what it was like before

fair comet
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I didn’t see any sympathy in my 2 near death attempts, so that’s also a noteworthy adjustment

sharp raptor
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Was out running errands, but I'll check back tonight around 10:30 for when the next one lands and see if I can catch it for comparison.

lime knot
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Now all the sympathy will come exclusively from the bereaved at your your funeral when it mstrikes you with claidhfingers every 2.8 seconds

sharp raptor
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If sympathy really is gone, then it might be doable. The tactic I was using was predicated on having to work around that, but if it can be rooted then stance danced without the threat of all control of a character taken away after a gaze, then it might come down to developing timing.

worthy knoll
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unfortunately even in defensive it would hit me with 806 AS, I can only barely get close to 800 DS with wall of force up, so while I could probably chain root it with sigil set procs and 1 second casts, don't think I'd live long enough haha

fair comet
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hmm, I realized 412 is now much more difficult to apply since it is subject to new auto-success level check... so much for that strategy

rocky galleon
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I mean, I like the idea of a wyrm so powerful it takes a concerted game plan to bring it down.

fair comet
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for sure, wyrm shouldn't be too easy, doubt it was intended to ever be solo-able

cyan lynx
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I think FoF should make it pretty doable now with a group.

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Wyrms do not skillburst any longer when confronted with a group over 5 people, but there will be a mechanic that scales after 5 to prevent huge powermobs from taking them down.

sharp raptor
# rocky galleon I mean, I like the idea of a wyrm so powerful it takes a concerted game plan to ...

I agree to an extent. I think the problem you run into is limited population and narrow windows of opportunity. From the moment you see a wyrm in flight, you have about a 15-20 minute window before it flies away. The Hinterwilds has a limited population, and of that population a number of them are unresponsive. I think it should require a group to take down absolutely, but would be worried if it were built specifically for any sort of spread.

rocky galleon
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Ping me when you see the next one, I'll try and go with you.

sharp raptor
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Awesome, If anyone wants to give it a run, another one should be taking flight in the next 30-minutes or so. I'm camped in Cold River village center under watching the skies.

tribal quarry
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Does FoF even work on the wyrm, given how much higher level it is than players?

sharp raptor
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I'm wondering if the update reset the clock on the wyrm. It's unusually late.
Edit: wyrm was a no-show. ⚔️

tribal quarry
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Actually, wait, it's not level I should be concerned with since at least that has a minimum value.

Does the wyrm have MOC training to mitigate FoF? Because, uh, the wyrm sure can mstrike. 😄

sharp raptor
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Wrym landing now. If anyone's up and wants to hunt after it.

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lol. Nope. I spent most of the engagement RT locked. That's new though.
RT lock that gets refreshed every volley on something that mstikes every 3 seconds. 😬

Shifting her bulk and moving with terrible speed, a silver-scaled cold wyrm sweeps her vast tail across the ground!
[SMR result: 151 (Open d100: 85, Bonus: 3)]
The tail slams into you, knocking you into the air before you crash back down!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Smash to the kneecap.
Roundtime: 13 sec.``` 
Rense, repeat.
worthy knoll
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is the wyrm within range to get any of the auto success spells on? aka is it 120 or lower? because if not then even with multi-casts things like 413 ore 212 won't be able to land locking out most CS casters still

cloud orchid
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I believe the wyrm is 124
...hmm...maybe it is 120
Proudest victory: a cinereous chthonian sybil (level 120)
The other HW boss is

worthy knoll
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yeah if it's 120, you can hit it eventually with those (although might take up to 10 casts, so not exactly a great design there), if it's 124 it's immune completely

opal pine
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Proudest victory: a silver-scaled cold wyrm (level 120)

cloud orchid
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I know some folks are very interested in the wyrm for all sorts of reasons, but until charms are out, I'm not overly worried about it. It feels like one of those video game bosses you aren't supposed to beat, but if you really want to, its possible

pliant hatch
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Vanguard Demon from Demons Souls type of thing lol

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Wyrm is about to land, if anyone's around and wants to go after it I'll go with, they're just deeds

fair comet
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hmm might as well

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30040

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!S>

Nearby, you spot several gigas in pale robes stitched with golden wyrm scales.  One of them nods approvingly to you, and beckons as if expecting you to follow.  Without waiting to see if you comply, the vast figures retreat from view toward the settlement of Eldurhaart.```
pliant hatch
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The wyrm sympathy'd Ralkaen twice but didn't get me:Hypnotic colors whirl in a silver-scaled cold wyrm's eyes as she locks gazes with Ralkean. CS: +520 - TD: +379 + CvA: -17 + d100: +82 == +206 Warding failed! Ralkean's eyes begin to glow purple. Hypnotic colors whirl in a silver-scaled cold wyrm's eyes as she locks gazes with Ralkean. CS: +520 - TD: +379 + CvA: -17 + d100: +66 == +190 Warding failed! Ralkean's eyes begin to glow purple.Not sure what that was about; if sympathy was updated to target a specific player rather than be AOE that's actually a great change

# 
  AS: +706 vs DS: +471 with AvD: +25 + d100 roll: +27 = +287
   ... and hits for 10 points of damage!
   Glancing blow to your right arm leaves a trail of vapor in its wake.
Spidery lines of misty green light spiral up from the point of impact, spreading over the chest of your aganjira robe.
Coalescing with a burst of misty green sparks, the visage of an ethereal bulbous octopus lifts its writhing tentacles up in a threatening display and lets out a resounding gurgle, the noise building into a discordant cacophony!
A deafening gurgle impacts a silver-scaled cold wyrm with a gust of displaced air!
[SMR result: 89 (Open d100: 68, Penalty: 2)]```Go go redux and 38% crush resist
fair comet
#

looks like it bugged out and died here?```A silver-scaled cold wyrm plants her feet wide, her immense claws digging into the ground. She draws in a deep breath as the venom glands to either side of her neck swell precipitously. Reptilian visage twisting with contempt, the cold wyrm opens her maw and sprays a frigid slurry of caustic sludge at you!
[SMR result: 148 (Open d100: 80, Bonus: 2)]
The toxic wave consumes you, searing away your flesh!
... 1 point of damage!
Drop of acid gets in your eye! Better flush it out.
You are stunned for 1 round!
The protective web surrounding you deflects some of the freezing damage, briefly pulsing in time with the grapevine ankle-cuff that you bear! The ankle-cuff glints one last time, then grows dim.
... 1 point of damage!
Icy chill to your midriff. A bowl of nice hot stew would hit the spot right now.
A silver-scaled cold wyrm's eyes whirl with glints of furious amber and sullen crimson!
The thorny barrier surrounding you blocks the attack from the cold wyrm!
After hitting the wyrm, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your sephwir long bow, running up the bow to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.

Nearby, you spot several gigas in pale robes stitched with golden wyrm scales. One of them nods approvingly to you, and beckons as if expecting you to follow. Without waiting to see if you comply, the vast figures retreat from view toward the settlement of Eldurhaart.

Pained spasms wrack the battered form of the great cold wyrm. The vanquished wyrm gasps futilely for breath, the gelid, caustic spittle bubbling up from her mouth shot through with silver-sheened crimson blood. With a last, terrible convulsion, the wyrm crashes to the ground and lies still.```

pliant hatch
#

Yeah I'm still reading my log but it definitely died way before we'd done nearly enough damage to it.

fair comet
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right, I don't think I even had hit him yet, since my barrage got interrupted by sympathy

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also perhaps relevant (?) is that might wraith windows got bugged out, active spells, buffs, debuffs, and cooldowns are no longer updating, it's still like this right now

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it almost looks like the corruscations of color were blocking some of my arrow shots, otherwise we should've seen AS/DS resolution after my barrage started ```>stance o

weapon barrage
You are now in an offensive stance.
Drawing several arrows from your quiver, you grip them loosely between your fingers in preparation for a rapid barrage.
[SMR result: 54 (Open d100: 40, Penalty: 1)]
Nocking another arrow to your bowstring, you swiftly draw back and loose again!
A subtle fiery red light glints off the tip of a rowan arrow, leaving a faint trail as it travels through the air.
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!
The arrow breaks into tiny fragments.
Roundtime: 2 sec.```

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seems like it broke something regarding spells and active effects for me, even after relog ```>spell acti
You currently have the following active effects:

640
[voodoo]>incant 640
Flickers of verdant green light emanate from your clenched fist as you focus intently on the Wall of Thorns spell.
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
You are surrounded by a writhing barrier of sharp thorns.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

[ Wall of Thorns: +2:59:00, 4:09:59 remaining. ]

spell acti
You currently have the following active effects:

pliant hatch
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That's really weird. Mine's normal. Maybe because you got Sympathy'd

fair comet
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yep, gonna take an assist to fix I think

pliant hatch
#

Woof. I will continue to avoid the wyrm as I had been

fair comet
#

well looks like my wraith windows and such are updating again, not sure what triggered the fix or the break

sharp raptor
# cloud orchid I know some folks are very interested in the wyrm for all sorts of reasons, but ...

Yeah, I totally get that, and I feel like you're probably correct. The creation of the wyrm was serendipity for Myharl. His backstory has been him seeking dragons since inception. Kor'thriss (the shadowy dragon) has always been his "reason" for travelling to the Landing to establish himself as an adventurer. The legends of Koar being one of the last Great Drakes prompted him to be a devout follower for years (before he lost his faith), and his backstory has always been his family being slaughtered by mysterious dragons and him seeking to find them an take retribution (a challenging path to tread in game lore since at one point even the mention of "dragons" was forbidden). So, the moment that wyrms came into being, it was going to be his thing. I retroactively replaced "dragon" with "wyrm" and ran with it. I find it kind of fun that they are one of the toughest critters in game. It's frustrating sometimes a lot of times, but I like that they are a real threat, because it's provided opportunity to really lean into the Wyrmsalyer role in a way that a run-of-the-mill critter never would have.

worthy knoll
cloud orchid
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Yeah I just don't expect the wyrm as-is now will be the same as when charms come out. Even if it is, I further assume its just 'you got tag credit, job done'

fair comet
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fyi, this messaging after wyrm death was monsterbold Nearby, you spot several gigas in pale robes stitched with golden wyrm scales. One of them nods approvingly to you, and beckons as if expecting you to follow. Without waiting to see if you comply, the vast figures retreat from view toward the settlement of Eldurhaart. searched all rooms in Eldurhaart and found nothing out of order - I certainly suspect (hope?) that's some sort of quest messaging associated with charms

sharp raptor
fair comet
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shrine with the altar right? that was the first place I checked

sharp raptor
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Yep, that's the one. Nothing? Hrmm... I wonder if it's like the first step. Going to go take a look at the shrine again to see if maybe there's some sort of hint there.

fair comet
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yep nothing, didn't wait long either, was likely within 1 - 2 minutes after wyrm went down

near arch
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Yeah that message sounds a lot like what I would expect this hypothetical gemcharm quest to look like

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I wonder if we can preorder the quest by killing the wyrm now haha

fair comet
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and perhaps to answer the other obvious question, I still have a NO for big game hunter

pliant hatch
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Pre-loading my wyrm quest DLC

cyan lynx
#

Besides, they're Gemstones now!

fair comet
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but maybe it's going to be the charm (gemstone) quest soon?!

cyan lynx
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The gigas of Eldurhaart will have to wait a little while longer (they won't bug you after a wyrm death, at least for the time being.)

sharp raptor
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All I'm saying is I went to the altar and prayed, and a berserker came in wielding an ivory white sword trying to behead me. 😄 I have an ivory white sword now.
Thanks for letting us know it (whatever it is) isn't live yet.

cloud orchid
#

just another mention that Hinterwilds is really and honestly the gold standard of hunting grounds in Gemstone. The amount of details in it and the self-fullfilling lore loops are outstanding.

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Very few hunting grounds in the game 'make sense'. The hinterwilds feels very organic and natural, with all of it painting a very clear narrative image of the place.

sharp raptor
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Feels like a place designed around lore that happens to be a hunting ground, rather than designed as a hunting ground with bits of lore glued to it.

cloud orchid
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yeah. good way of putting it. While I was doing my video on it, it became easy to create a narrative framework for the script. Alot of other famous hunting grounds that wouldn't work.

cloud orchid
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this new?

A roiling crimson angargeist spreads along the ground before surging abruptly back into an upright position.
!>
A roiling crimson angargeist roils furiously, grasping limbs and half-formed faces forming beneath the surface of its ectoplasmic skin as it continues on, unhindered.
A roiling crimson angargeist lights from within, energy crackling within its chaotic core.
!>
A roiling crimson angargeist roils furiously, grasping limbs and half-formed faces forming ```
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I don't recognize that messaging

sharp raptor
cloud orchid
#

Ah. makes sense. I was doing a Greatchamber yolo

The entrance stands, framed by a pair of colossal red stone pillars, at the apogee of a crescent-shaped walk that curves along the interior of the fane.  Towering gigas statues, male and female, stand with battleaxes in hand in alcoves along either wall.  Their faces are unwelcoming and their postures unmistakably aggressive.  Ruddy stone steps breach the wall to the north, heading precipitously downward into stygian shadow.  You also see a quivering sanguine oozeling that appears dead, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr that is webbed, a cloud of acidic mist, a quivering sanguine oozeling that appears dead, a colossal boreal undansormr, a gleaming golden aegis, a quivering sanguine ooze that appears dead, an eyeless black valravn that appears dead and a shining winged disir that appears dead.
Obvious exits: east, west``` iykyk
sharp raptor
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The great chamber is a ton of fun, until a disciple unleashes a temporal anomaly. I have no answer for those yet.

cloud orchid
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they hit you? They almost always miss me

sharp raptor
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They do, about 50/50? I'm a berserker so I'm running around in offensive, but yeah, the tentacles snag me sometimes. The disciples like to blow my limbs off too, but if I tackle them first they're not an issue.

cloud orchid
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Myharl a giant?

sharp raptor
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Yep, he is. Kindred kroderine soul warrior. Also have 404 bonus in dodge, and around 120 on agidex. Just seem to catch me still.

cloud orchid
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Probably part of it. I'm an elf masquerading as a human with my pumped up enhancive/asc AgiDex bonus. Curious if there is some hidden penalty for big race on that.

frosty junco
worthy knoll
cyan lynx
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...no.

sharp raptor
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Wrym incoming. Edit: It's in Ojandhaart if anyone wants to go after it. That's not fightable. Thre post capped characters, wiped out in a few seconds. lol.

pliant hatch
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lol there is no amount of exp or gear i can buy that will make fighting the wyrm go any way but the way it just went. too much scroll to see what's happening then i'm stunned then my HP rapidly ticks to 0 then i'm dead. gg.

# 
[SMR result: 104 (Open d100: 68, Penalty: 1)]
Relentless in your assault, you unleash a frenzy of violence upon a silver-scaled cold wyrm!
You attempt to jab a silver-scaled cold wyrm!
You have good positioning against a silver-scaled cold wyrm.
  UAF: 794 vs UDF: 695 = 1.142 * MM: 108 + d100: 46 = 169
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!
You lose the intense focus of your ki energy.
You attempt to kick a silver-scaled cold wyrm!
You have good positioning against a silver-scaled cold wyrm.
  UAF: 794 vs UDF: 695 = 1.142 * MM: 116 + d100: 73 = 205
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!```So it's immune to UCS?
sharp raptor
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Yeah, it is.

pliant hatch
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So it's literally immune to the primary means of attack for an entire profession. LOL. Who's actually supposed to bother fighting this thing? Other than warriors?

#

I can't overstate how much I hope gemstones aren't gated behind this thing.

worthy knoll
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Rangers maybe, but yeah I agree it's far and away what I'd call fun or balanced as it is right now

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I mean we know gemstones are gated behind it, thus it needs to be at least somewhat approachable for the other 75% of classes.

pliant hatch
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If we have to kill this thing to get into gemstones it needs like entirely redesigned.

sharp raptor
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Oh, nah, that's not doable. The one that dropped earlier seemed bugged. Like, the amount of damage required to take one down, we didn't even scratch it. That's Myharl as a 33mil, 1x cap worth of ascension, enhanced, KS warrior wearing very heavy padded plate, 5x added reinforcement, 50% DF redux, resistance, and boosters all going. I got off one volley before it dropped me. lol. It usually takes dozens of volleys.

pliant hatch
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That was 0% fun. Oh I can't damage this. Oh I've got 5 HP left-oh I'm dead now.

worthy knoll
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As it is, it reminds me of some old epic quest things in og ever quest where you needed to hire specific people to carry you through zones or parts so you could finish your quest

pliant hatch
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WTB 4 giantman KS warriors to group with while they carry me to the gemstones quest.

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I have 35m exp no more exp is gonna make that experience go differently. Immune to UCS. Lol.

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Hopefully the quest fight is at least in an arena without endless adds running in.

opal pine
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I haven’t attempted recently, and I’ve only downed the wyrm successfully like 3 times with my crew. Each of those attempts I lost at least 60% of my squad before winning. Truly brutal

versed sail
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how many folks are in your squad

pliant hatch
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At least you can damage it!

cedar charm
opal pine
# versed sail how many folks are in your squad

I had to cut one out because any group over 5 got everyone locked in perma RT. Sounds like there might’ve been a change to that, but my successes were with the ranger/warrior/cleric/bard/pally

pliant hatch
#

That was honestly such an unenjoyable experience I think I'm just gonna log out.

tribal quarry
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It's been ages since I've hunted a wyrm, but do they still self-heal wounds?

Asking because if they don't self-heal wounds, it might be possible to cheese a win by strafing in and out of the room taking soft RT magic potshots until some of the wyrm's moves are off the table via injuries.

earnest spire
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I think the wyrm in Plat might be busted. It hasn't spawned at all.

#

Doesn't sound like I'm missing much but I'd still like to give it a shot.

#

Oh hey just had to whine about it.

#

Yeah she got me.

sharp raptor
sharp raptor
earnest spire
#

I was actually doing alright until it decided to take off and then just spam me with acid breath

#

It sorta just chuffed at the hand crossbow, lol

sharp raptor
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Yeah, I'm going to have to do some pondering as to how to approach that if it's the new standard for a wyrm. Larger teams (more targets) might make it doable to outlast the RT locks. I don't MA and it can be difficult to find one or two folks wanting to hunt a wyrm at a time, not sure I'd be able to track down a crew. Maybe popshots from hiding (which I may just have to retrain for if nothing else works).

fair comet
#

Intense, primal dread overwhelms you as a foreign intellect infringes upon the sanctity of your thoughts. Your awareness is pulled to the skies outside! anyone game?

sharp raptor
fair comet
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was just me, and I accidentally ran in without activating my enhancives and sigils - so ended up bailing quite quickly for some healing

sharp raptor
#

Well, that's new...
A roiling mass of dark soot and ash surges inland, from across the Frostmain, and funnels downward toward the Angargreft!

sharp raptor
#

A roiling mass of dark soot and ash spirals above the Angargreft, funneling downward toward Berserker's End!

#

A loud *thud* echoes across the area, followed by another, each accompanied by mild tremors. It repeats at a measured pace, accompanied by the sound of crumbling ice and rocks.

near arch
#

jurassic park time

cloud orchid
#

bad bad. very bad bad

sharp raptor
#

Zerroth is gone.
also

A voice booms from nearby, "V'tull has sent these warriors!  They will bring death and glory in my name!  And that name is... ZERROTH!"
near arch
#

well so he isn't gone FAR

hoary temple
#

what's the news? someone said the ash cloud moved south?

sharp raptor
#

Zerroth has awakened... Returned to the world of the living. We heard his proclamation to bring death to the world. V'tull sent his warriors to free his destroyer from the blood curse.

#

The gigas warriors of V'tull have claimed the bier atop the Angargreft past Berserker's End, if you venture that way be forewarned. It's dangerous there.

cyan lynx
#

Ruh roh.

near arch
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that's probably fine

sharp raptor
#

Myharl has warned Icemule city council, so if the V'tullians march southward, the next stop beyond the Long Snow, they can be prepared.

cyan lynx
#

Northwatch, to aaaaaarms!

cloud orchid
#

we sorted it out

sharp raptor
cloud orchid
#

We got some Zerroth laughing at us, blood pooling everywhere and him promising to eat our hearts

sharp raptor
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Oh, yeah, was there for that. I thought maybe you all tracked him down. ⚔️ After the battle I stayed in Cold River to keep watch.

tough swan
cyan lynx
#

When Marstreforn let me know what was happening last night, I had to peek in. Zerroth's a fun Big Bad.

cloud orchid
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He’ll be the next ghost in my VolnCo army

tough swan
cloud orchid
#

I got plans for Naidem

azure mantle
#

A silver-scaled cold wyrm plummets down from the skies, landing in Eldurhaart!

#

aww yes
The cold wyrm hits you, but her attack bounces harmlessly off of the incredibly hard surface of your adamantine full plate!

sharp raptor
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Nice!

sharp raptor
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Yeah, wyrm is just blatantly impossible now without uber HESS equipment. There's literally nothing I can do without dropping billions of silvers to match my equipment. lol. Was a fun challenge while it lasted.

cyan lynx
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It's not going to stay like that. 😛

sharp raptor
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I'm just being melodramatic because... * smoosh * there's some Myharl guts stuck on my boot.

opal pine
#

The Wyrm is trying to earn his Myharl Slayer title

chilly valve
#

I too was a victim of the Wyrm on Steriods... He ground pounded me into 20 RT (8 with Haste), spit a ton of acid and frost at me, and then 800 AS mstriked me all in what seemed like the blink of an eye. My sigil armor was working overtime in Aegis mode but I still got trucked haha...
Also didn't help the room had mutants, undersarmor, and disciple in it... was packed

rocky galleon
#

About time the wyrm had a chance against Myharl.

chilly valve
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*Silver-scaled Wyrm has achieved "Big Game Hunter" for taking down Myharl

rocky galleon
#

I heard killing Myharl is going to be what opens up charms.

opal pine
pliant hatch
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I’m still just over here hoping it’s immunity to UCS is removed

sharp raptor
#

Always nice when a valravn plucks your eye out for fun...

An eyeless black valravn vaporizes into a swirl of cold, black mist that streaks toward you in a blur of shadowy, intangible feathers!  The vaporous cloud penetrates your magical defenses and washes over you in a chaotic onslaught!
...
You are stunned for 6 rounds!``` 😜
cloud orchid
#

just need a Valravn of your own.


** Surrounded by a shroud of clinging shadows, a hollow-eyed ethereal valravn swoops down with an eerily echoing shriek as a murder of distorted Liabo-hued valravns lurch around it on a wave of disruption! **

   ... 30 points of damage!
   Vertebrae ripped from body!  The winged disir's head falls into shoulders.```
azure mantle
sharp raptor
fair comet
#

TIL death flares work on players, funny

cloud orchid
#

they sure do

worthy knoll
#

probably a bug here, but looks like berserkers don't let go of you even when they are dead, this happened after I was back in town turning in a bounty:

A tattooed gigas berserker lets you slip from his grip, sending you tumbling to the ground.```
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which I then fell over, definitely no berserker in the room with me

sharp raptor
marsh canyon
#

another bug: symbol of sight counts as a spell for "max of 2" spells in HW. Other symbols like preservation and courage don't, so I'm assuming this is some sort of weird bug.

cloud orchid
#

thats real weird

stuck blade
# 
[SMR result: 151 (Open d100: 87, Bonus: 10)]
The disruptive power of the skald's song peals over you, hurling you off your feet!
A nebulous grey latticework springs up from the surface of your rusalkoren platemail and shields you from some of the damage!
   ... 3 points of damage!
Your rusalkoren platemail flashes red and you suddenly feel enraged!
   Nice shiner to right eye!
   You are stunned for 3 rounds!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Strike to voicebox.  You are speechless!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Strike to back throws you off balance momentarily.
   ... 3 points of damage!
   Jarring blow to your shield arm.
   ... 4 points of damage!
   Severe low back pain!  You gasp.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Strike to back throws you off balance momentarily.
   ... 3 points of damage!
   Jarring blow to your shield arm.
!SPR>
You suddenly feel less light-footed.
!SP>
A niveous giant warg lunges at you, maw slathering as it tries to take a ferocious bite!
A nebulous grey latticework springs up from the surface of your rusalkoren platemail and shields you from some of the damage!
  AS: +520 vs DS: +402 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +16 = +141
   ... and hits for 1 point of damage!
   Light slash to your abdomen!
   Barely nicked.
!SP>
Though you are stunned and reeling, you become aware of your pounding heart.  With each beat, it grows louder and louder, faster and faster, but then it fades again, and you are left as dazed as you were.
!SP>
A grim gigas skald raises her sonorous voice into a resounding cry that crashes like mad thunder through the area!
[SMR result: 129 (Open d100: 6, Bonus: 68)]
The disruptive power of the skald's song peals over you, hurling you backward!
   ... 3 points of damage!
   Strike to voicebox.  You are speechless!
A nebulous grey latticework springs up from the surface of your rusalkoren platemail and shields you from some of the damage!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Chest hit causes you to spin around like a halfling after a fresh tart.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Chest hit causes you to spin around like a halfling after a fresh tart.
   ... 4 points of damage!
   Severe low back pain!  You gasp.```

Couple of wargs in the room and ya get hit back to back with skald song.  =p
cloud orchid
#

yeah....

earnest spire
#

We're back, baby!You quickly step from hiding to deliver your waylay! You swing a reverse-edge xazkruvrixis tanto at a silver-scaled cold wyrm! You feel a bit of luck touch you. AS: +872 vs DS: +574 with AvD: -15 + d100 roll: +38 = +321 ... and hit for 241 points of damage! Pained spasms wrack the battered form of the great cold wyrm. The vanquished wyrm gasps futilely for breath, the gelid, caustic spittle bubbling up from her mouth shot through with silver-sheened crimson blood. With a last, terrible convulsion, the wyrm crashes to the ground and lies still. You feel the unnatural surge of necrotic power wane away. You retreat back into the shadows. Roundtime: 2 sec.

sharp raptor
earnest spire
#

The trick was leaving the swarms alone and letting the wyrm fight with everything else. If it moved into a room with nothing in it I wouldn't follow. Lots of peering and planning the engagements.

sharp raptor
earnest spire
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It makes it waste an action to search, so in that regard I would say yes. It'd also spot me EVERY time it searched, which wasn't always the case before.

stuck blade
#

Jaired might as well be Ronan at this point =/

earnest spire
#

JD is more interested in Gosaena's job. He'll just be the funnier version. The Patron of Those that Die Hilariously.

cloud orchid
#

[SMR result: 91 (Open d100: 6, Bonus: 62)]
Flowing with deadly grace, you smoothly reverse the direction of your blades and slash again!
|| AS: +733 vs DS: +617 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +84 = +230
... and hit for 99 points of damage!
A cinereous chthonian sybil's eyes widen as she clutches at her chest. For a moment, her shadow stretches long and vast. Spectral lightning illuminates the area in fitful flickers, and in the intervening blackness, hundreds of delicate silver threads are visible, twining around the sybil's figure and stretching into the distance. As the chthonian sybil slumps to the ground, the crystalline sound of the strings snapping plays like discordant music in the back of your mind. A cinereous chthonian sybil goes still and the strange manifestations fade away.
The mesmerizing sway of body and blade glides to its inevitable end with one final twirl of your eahnor cresset sword.
You watch for openings, eager to slash your enemy.
Roundtime: 1 sec.
!R>
Rising up on an air current, a flying jet leather codex glides by, flapping its covers industriously in order to stay aloft.
!>
Having recovered from your previous assault, you once again feel ready to perform the Thrash technique.
!>loot
You search the chthonian sybil.
She carried an engraved silver box on her!
She didn't carry any silver.
She had nothing else of value.
Mist pours from every quadrant of the area, snatching and striking like a thing alive as it races to encompass the form of a cinereous chthonian sybil. Tendrils whip out of the fog, obscuring the body entirely. The mist dissipates, leaving nothing at all behind.

Taking bets on the box contents. I'm going with star diopside

||

#

Can confirm there are NO forageables in the Sybil's rooms

opal pine
#

Whelp, the wyrms belly is very full of gnomes

sharp raptor
# opal pine Whelp, the wyrms belly is very full of gnomes

lol. Yeah, it's quite the battle. I don't even try now. Being a wyrmslayer is still very much a part of Myharl's story and RP, but mechanically it's just not viable any more. Proud he took down 132 of them over the past year and a half, bravely hunted hundreds more, researched and documented their behavior, and lead countless expeditions with other brave wyrm hunters (was an effort to get people interested and involved, but feel like we formed a nice little community of wyrmslayers up there). It was worth the effort and hundreds of deeds when it felt like an obtainable goal, but the gameplay just isn't fun any more. It's like killing my character just for the sake of doing it... which I did for a good while, but meh. I'll leave it to the whales who can afford the gear needed to take it down for now. Knowing this isn't the final iteration, when the gemstone system gets released and we end up with a 'final' version of the wyrms, I'll cycle back around to it and see how it flows and maybe consider a bit of retraining if it feels worthwhile.

tough swan
#

Honestly, I can't even enter hiding against a lot of creatures at that skill point.

#

Maybe if you ascension it up and enhance the ability you could see, but that's a pretty big investment on resources. I will say that hiding and ambush as an added option for giving your warrior another dynamic is both fun and useful at other times though.

sharp raptor
# tough swan 2x hiding and ambush isn't going to help too much. Almost anything can point a 2...

Yep, exactly. Though as @Jaired pointed out, it does at least occupy a turn from the wyrm to do the search, so in a hunting group it could be a "distraction" for the wyrm, at least that's my theory, but decided to just wait until the final wyrm is in place to see what works best in the end.
Edit: Also because, even if that does help some, that feels incredibly meta to have to play the mechanics that way.

tough swan
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Perhaps stalk in, qstrike waylay, and run your butt off + repeat? that might at least spare damage until you catch an unlucky RT lock, but this assumes empty rooms around.

opal pine
tough swan
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It's the round speed that gets me more than the overall strength. The combo between that AS level and the speed of the rounds is just murder, especially if you're sympathied or trapped in RT while it wallops you.

lime knot
sharp raptor
# tough swan It's the round speed that gets me more than the overall strength. The combo betw...

Same. What I run into now is... I'll get that initial volley of mstrike off, then almost imediately get RT locked with SMR, then eat the wyrm's mstrike with it's 3 second RT. Most of the time I never get out of that initial RT lock before it drops me just from damage (that's with redux + VHDP plate). The few times I did live long enough to get out of the RT lock, I can eather repeat the process (one mstrike, then locked) or run off to get healed and then repeat it. Berserk will throw out a few more volleys of mstrike at the wyrm during RT lock unless one of the 10 wyrm strikes between the 5 second RT breaks the berserk... but that's pointless against a critter that has 10k+ hp and can repair its wounds - which also is going to fly away after 10 minutes. Not even mentioning sympathy where I just loose total control of the character for like 30+ wyrm attacks. 😄

We'll see what the final iteration is eventually. It's going to have to be something different, because if gemstones gets gated behind that, no one but whales will have access to the system.

earnest spire
tough swan
earnest spire
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Got it.

tough swan
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Downside is operational control, or even worse if it swarms in the room while berserking because it spreads the berserk round away from the wyrm so you start taking a beating.

sharp raptor
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The only useful part about swarms is they become 5 second RT T5 fodder with an mstrike berserk and typically don't last very long, but yeah, the suppression a swarm provides for a wyrm is counterproductive, even moreso now.

marsh canyon
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Have you tried going after ir with a tank build and lower stance? Before this largest round of updates I'd been having pretty decent results in advanced stance. With ithis high AS I might try forward and see what happens.

earnest spire
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So far the only wyrm I've been able to take down was in Eldurhaart. No valravns, undans, or disciples to ruin things. I found leaving the swarms entirely alone to be preferable as they seemed to keep the wyrm plenty busy while I hung back and took pot shots at it. The second things looked sideways I left the room for a bit. If it went into a room that had nothing in it, I wouldn't follow until I saw it either moved or returned to the room.

sharp raptor
earnest spire
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I was more worried about it despawning towards the end. I also noticed that its AS started to drop quite a bit after a while. I was out in the open for a few mstrikes but was able to shrug them off, which is a feat in robes. Typically I'm one and done with their new AS.

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And when it took off I just left and would pop back over to see if it had landed yet.

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I tried busting out a hand crossbow and see if volley and a couple shots would do anything while it was airborne... it basically chuffed and then promptly murdered me. It's better to just not be in the room with it while it's flying.

marsh canyon
sharp raptor
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It's moot for me with the RT issue right now, but in general I would have been a lot more open to trying more options beyond initial setups sans sympathy. (edited because I realized I was repeating myself, lol). Let us know how hasted hurling goes for you!

tough swan
earnest spire
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A'ite I just bagged another wyrm and I'm not entirely convinced that they haven't been rolled back.

sharp raptor
meager veldt
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Uhm, I just tried fighting the wyrm and it ripped me apart in under 30 seconds. I do not think theyve been rolled back

cloud orchid
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Thats 20 seconds longer than me before i Voln armor out of there and go back to the angels

meager veldt
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I think I was destroyed before I even had a chance to get empathied! Is the wyrm still doing that?

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I think it'd be doable with another person or two if I could holler and turtle. If the wyrm responds to holler, anyway.

cloud orchid
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Not sure. The sybil is immune to dirtkick for some reason. Odd immunities are out there

versed sail
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no dirt to kick! She keeps her room immaculate

cloud orchid
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Heh. It is a void in space time.

earnest spire
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Now that wyrms only spawn like twice a day it's extra lame when they spawn in the Narnia area of Angargreft.

sharp raptor
cloud orchid
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Never gets old to kill a disir with your custom flares

   ... 30 points of damage!
   Electric blast goes right to the heart!  Fibrillation can be fun.
Deafening silence crashes down over you.  A flash of blinding white light erupts from the disir, leaving her afterimage seared into your eyes.
Blinding light explodes from the disir's eyes and mouth as her wings spread, unfurled by the throes of her agony.  The radiance sears her shadow onto the ground behind her as she topples backward, lifeless.
A shining winged disir seems to lose some focus as her eyes narrow and shift momentarily to one side.
A shining winged disir loses the flickering energy surrounding her.
Roundtime: 3 sec.```
earnest spire
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If they ever open a pawn shop up here they should call it "Junk 'n Trunks"

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The store mascot could be an adorable baby mastadon named Trunks that you can pet and feed pellets to.

cloud orchid
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Im here for it

sharp raptor
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I keep hoping for a mastodon mount for Myharl someday. None of the available options seem to click with his vibe. But, now I also want an adorable baby mastodon pet that can follow Myharl around as he charges through the Hinterwilds on his battle mastodon. 🦣 ⚔️

azure mantle
sharp raptor
azure mantle
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Ill take a Gigas mount

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Riden high boi

sharp raptor
azure mantle
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wtb MK "Flying elbow drop" from gigas mount

earnest spire
# 
You swing a reverse-edge xazkruvrixis tanto at a silver-scaled cold wyrm!
  AS: +837 vs DS: +536 with AvD: -15 + d100 roll: +60 = +346
   ... and hit for 219 points of damage!
Pained spasms wrack the battered form of the great cold wyrm.  The vanquished wyrm gasps futilely for breath, the gelid, caustic spittle bubbling up from her mouth shot through with silver-sheened crimson blood.  With a last, terrible convulsion, the wyrm crashes to the ground and lies still.```
opal pine
tardy fjord
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Is it normal of the Wagon to sometimes drop you off in different locations when traveling back to icemule from Hinterwilds?

sharp raptor
tardy fjord
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||The wagon draws to an abrupt halt. As you step out, you notice that it has separated from the caravan well away from your destination in Icemule Trace. The driver is also armed with a crossbow. He says, "All right, that's as far as we're headed. Don't cause any problems, now, and we'll both be on our way." He keeps the weapon trained on you until the wagon is well out of sight.
I got crossbow to the face.... and dropped off in Pinefar mountains.||

sharp raptor
tardy fjord
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Okie! that would explain the bandit I found too. maybe

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thank you

cloud orchid
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It CAN happen. Its rare. And only on the return trip

sharp raptor
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Pondering on this, I don't think I've ever taken the caravan trip back from the Hinterwilds. I've always used Sparkfinger to teleport back to the Abbey. Makes sense that it would happen on the return trip, though, if it functions like the other caravan travel. Do you not ride the sleigh back across the Long Snow on return?

compact rock
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Is there a Sparkfinger equivalent for easterly travel?

sharp raptor
# compact rock Is there a Sparkfinger equivalent for easterly travel?

You know... that's a very good question. It's one I don't have an answer to, but brings to light how sparse the wiki information on the Hinterwilds is. Going to do a bit of digging to see if I can find an answer if someone doesn't reply first, but I think maybe I need to do a bit of focus on the Hinterwilds info on the wiki... at least documenting really basic stuff—exactly like this. Edit: I'm just going to pop over there and find out real quick. Anyone have the Lich R# for the Hinterwilds caravan there? (Answer: #31073)

sharp raptor
# compact rock Is there a Sparkfinger equivalent for easterly travel?

**
Instructions on travelling to and from the Hinterwilds** using both the caravans as well as Sparkfinger (the alchemist) teleportation for gigas artifact fragments.

Would be great if we could get this pinned to the channel. I updated the wiki.

EAST OF THE DRAGONSPINE —
The caravan to the Hinterwilds from Ta'Illistim is located at [Seethe Naedal, Transportation] (L#31073), INQUIRE to use; costs 3,000 silver. You can pay Sparkfinger (L#29876) 4 gigas artifact fragments to be teleported back to Ta'Illistim and will immediately arrive at [Seethe Naedal, Tavern] (L#31072). Directly east of the caravan (L#31074) there is a sliver that can be used for travel to the Hinterwilds for 4 gigas artifact fragments. The caravan to go from the Hinterwilds back to Ta'Illistim is located in the ger at [The Long Snow, Encampment] (L#29860), INQUIRE to use; costs 3,000 silver. ```
```WEST OF THE DRAGONSPINE —
The caravan to the Hinterwidls from Icemule is located at the Abbey near Icemule Trace (L#23830), INQUIRE to use; costs 3,000 silver. You can pay Sparkfinger (L#29876) 4 gigas artifact fragments to be teleported back to the Abbey near Icemule Trace and will immediately arrive at [Abbey, Teleportation Chamber] (L#31064). The sliver located in the teleportation chamber can be used again for 4 gigas artifact fragments to be immediately teleported back to Sparkfinger's shop in the Hinterwilds. The caravan to go from the Hinterwilds back to the Abbey near Icemule Trace is located in the ger at [The Long Snow, Encampment] (L#29860), INQUIRE to use; costs 3,000 silver.```
compact rock
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Thanks. I'd like to request a Sparkfinger equivalent for the east!

sharp raptor
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I think that would be a great idea. Also, wanted to note (but not add it to the details until I could confirm) the trip from the caravan in Ta'Illistim seemed lightning fast compared to taking the caravan from the Abbey near Icemule Trace. I'm not sure if that's intended to balance out the lack of a sliver in the East or not, but it was very noticeable.

As a side note: you might want to pop that request over in the #taʼillistim channel so Elysani will see it. I'm not exactly sure how the town guru system works internally, but adding that might need to be initiated by the guru for Ta'Illistim and might not be seen here.

pearl hearth
sharp raptor
pearl hearth
sharp raptor
sharp raptor
compact rock
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Sweet! Thank you both very much!

cloud orchid
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You can sliver in and our from anywhere. No sleigh needed. Where you enter from is where you go back to

sharp raptor
cloud orchid
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Yeah i do it all the time. If you sliver in from EN, you go back to EN

Oh wait…huh?

sharp raptor
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Yep, that's why I missed the sliver on my first trip up there today.

cloud orchid
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Well i guess you are at least in the EN. Weird that its the wrong room

sharp raptor
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Yep! Works, just not as expected. 😄 I updated the wiki (which had no details on it) to reflect what it's doing as of now. If that changes later, hopefully it will get updated again.

cyan lynx
tardy fjord
pliant hatch
# 
You notice a slender steel needle, a slender steel needle, a slender steel needle, a slender steel needle, a slender steel needle, a slender steel needle, a pair of small steel jaws, a pair of small steel jaws, a pair of small steel jaws and a pair of small steel jaws.
Obvious paths: north, southwest
Your forest spirit followed.```What absolute savage was out here field picking, lol
cloud orchid
earnest spire
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Anyone able to confirm if starsong flares hit wyrms?

rocky galleon
# 
A silver-scaled cold wyrm is struck by a falling arrow!
   ... 10 points of damage!

 ** As a resonating song emanates from your starsong yumi, it entwines you in night blue wisps of ephemera.  Suddenly, a star-sparked rush of percussive pressure from the yumi whips out at a silver-scaled cold wyrm! **
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the offensive energies!

 ** As a resonating song emanates from your starsong yumi, it entwines you in night blue wisps of ephemera.  Suddenly, a star-sparked rush of percussive pressure from the yumi whips out at a silver-scaled cold wyrm! **
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the offensive energies!```
earnest spire
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So yes but no.

rocky galleon
# 
  AS: +486 vs DS: +368 with AvD: +20 + d100 roll: +87 = +225
   ... and hit for 23 points of damage!
A gust of wind shoves a silver-scaled cold wyrm back!
An earthy, sweet aroma clings to a silver-scaled cold wyrm in a murky haze, accompanied by soot brown specks of leaf mold.
Vital energy infuses you, hastening your arcane reflexes!

 ** As a resonating song emanates from your starsong yumi, it entwines you in night blue wisps of ephemera.  Suddenly, a star-sparked rush of percussive pressure from the yumi whips out at a silver-scaled cold wyrm! **
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the offensive energies!

 ** As a resonating song emanates from your starsong yumi, it entwines you in night blue wisps of ephemera.  Suddenly, a star-sparked rush of percussive pressure from the yumi whips out at a niveous giant warg! **
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Small veins in the giant warg's neck burst, the blood flows freely.

 ** As a resonating song emanates from your starsong yumi, it entwines you in night blue wisps of ephemera.  Suddenly, a star-sparked rush of percussive pressure from the yumi whips out at a grim gigas skald! **
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Major bones in the gigas skald's left arm crack loudly!
The arrow breaks into tiny fragments.
Roundtime: 3 sec.``` I don't think I have any with damage.
earnest spire
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Awesome. That's suuuper helpful, thank you.

opal pine
# 
 ** As a resonating song emanates from your vethinye bow, it entwines you in night blue wisps of ephemera.  Suddenly, a star-sparked rush of percussive pressure from the bow whips out at a silver-scaled cold wyrm! **
   ... 35 points of damage!

 ** As a resonating song emanates from your vethinye bow, it entwines you in night blue wisps of ephemera.  Suddenly, a star-sparked rush of percussive pressure from the bow whips out at a silver-scaled cold wyrm! **
   ... 50 points of damage!
earnest spire
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Hrrrrrm.

rocky galleon
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I mean... it's possible that was before FA was "fixed" -- right?

sharp raptor
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If you get the wyrms mana down low enough it can't keep it's barrier thing up. Lots of times my elemental flares will start hitting it towards the end of a battle. Happened most frequently when I was soloing them because the battle lasts a lot longer without multiple sources of damage wailing on it.

earnest spire
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I was thinking of snagging a transmute, but now I dunno.

stoic venture
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But it's the last chance. Don't you fear missing out on getting that transmute? You'll never get another chance. Probably.

earnest spire
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It's not like they're suppressing the flare completely, so it would still theoretically tag other things in the room, which is not all together useless if you're trying to maintain focus on the wyrm

earnest spire
pliant hatch
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Love that FOMO marketing

stoic venture
earnest spire
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Last time ever. Just like the McRib

stuck blade
cloud orchid
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I cue the magus theme for the sybil fight

stuck blade
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Mind sharing? I dont have that one

cloud orchid
sharp raptor
# stuck blade For when that wyrm shows up

Nice!! ⚔️ I use (this) one. QuickSounds, public domain. The first year or so after the wyrm's arrival, I was pretty focused on catching them every time they landed since I was researching/documenting their behavior, and I can't you how many times this alarm woke me up out of a dead sleep blasting through my headphones. 😆

stuck blade
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Lol, I bet

earnest spire
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I just crank the Benny Hill theme now because that's what it feels like fighting the things.

earnest spire
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So harkening back to the starsong question I had regarding wyrms. I was finally able to put it to the test and they WILL work against them. Some will get deflected, but most will go through. It will not, however, stop them from doing 3 of their maneuvers on you instantly like some kind of cracked out focused mstrike.

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I still think low steel or mindwrack flares is the way to go for the constant DPS

neon salmon
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I'll have to go back to HW next week and try to catch some of y'all Wyrm hunting. I solo'd one the other day and it was going well until it didn't.. the crazy swarms didn't help. Does a wyrm increase the spawn rate in an area or would that have been caused by a group? The wyrm did seem to kill a handful of not-so-aware script hunters

earnest spire
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The extra spawns when a wyrm is in an area is super noticeable over in Plat where I can often have the whole area to myself.

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They really get the place cooking. There have been a handful of times where I get back to my desk and see one spawned, but don't know where because I was resting indoors, and I'm like, "It's gotta still be out there!" and I'll just run from area to area until I notice one with a bunch of things already roaming around, and without fail that has been where the wyrm was.

earnest spire
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So I miiiight be onto something with wyrm hunting.

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Spoiler Warning: ||Don't use a flaring weapon. If you use a flaring weapon this will happen:... 30 points of damage! Corruscating glints of prismatic color race over a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scales, forming a lattice of protective energy!This will make them immune to all physical attacks for a while. If you don't use a flaring weapon it won't happen at all and you're able to maintain physical damage.||

cloud orchid
earnest spire
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I had wildfire on

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||So I got a shiney new transmute on my weapon... and I noticed I was STRUGGLING. Like I just couldn't. So I did some testing, looked over some logs, and yep. When I used a non-flaring weapon (or a weapon with death flares, which will never proc vs. a wyrm), there was no barrier so I was able to consistently maintain damage via waylay.||

opal pine
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This is flarescrimination

earnest spire
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It's kinda diabolical. Respect.

neon salmon
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interesting. Another win for nonstandard flares!

earnest spire
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This was starsong, fwiw

rocky galleon
earnest spire
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||I was able to confirm the theory. No flares = smoother experience. Still far from easy but... yeah.||

rocky galleon
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||any sense about briar flares?||

earnest spire
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Unable to test that

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...testing anything with wyrms is hard. The spawn rates are like twice a day and there is always the chance they'll spawn in Fjaarnia(tm).

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And when they decide it's time for you to die... you die. So the window for science is small.

sharp raptor
# earnest spire ...testing anything with wyrms is hard. The spawn rates are like twice a day an...

Fjaarnia! 🤣 I need to go back and check my logs, but I am confused by what you're explaining, I think. The barrier "forming a lattice of protective energy" has always been reflective of blocking elemental damage (flares and/or spells) — or am I misundertanding what you're explaining? I have never noticed it blocking any mechanical damage with that barrier ever (maybe that's changed?). I also know that maintaining the barrier effect is based on its available mana (or at least some sort of resource management), because if you ping it intentionally with elemental damage, that effect eventually starts to fail, and then disappears, allowing 100% of flares/elemental damage to hit it. It was a solid tactic except that it took some time, and sympathize typically snags someone and takes them out of the game before it can be accomplished. Is the barrier now blocking non flare/elemental damage as well?

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As a side note: I went to run a test with Myharl the other day—chased down a wyrm moments after landing. Was in full defensive stance, never attacked, had Voln protection running, super charger running, enhancive boost for stats running, 140+ Agidex, Luck boost running... and it took literally 30 seconds for him to be killed. Just by being in the same room with the wyrm. Just immediate RT lock, stance knockdowns, 3-second mstrikes, and death. My only potential options to engage the wyrm at the moment seem to be either 1) reconfigure training/equipment to focus on hide/ambush and ping it to death, or 2) spend thousands of dollars for whale gear at DR. Still confused why it was changed... it was already a challenge that more often resulted in death than victory, but was actually fun when there as a chance for non-whales to take it out. Every group I've taken out since the change has been slaughtered in seconds, most of the handful of folks that used to rally to the call just handwave it now. I don't even put out the call for a hunt anymore.

shy torrent
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I was minding my own business crushed underneath a draug in RT when the wyrm entered tail lashed and spewed acid twice and then mstriked me to death in about 10 seconds. Its action speed was like endless arena at round 100. This has changed from a creature to hunt to an environmental hazard to avoid

earnest spire
# sharp raptor ***Fjaarnia***! 🤣 I need to go back and check my logs, but I am confused by wh...

||A'ite so the flare will proc:Corruscating glints of prismatic color race over a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scales, forming a lattice of protective energy!
Then, for an indeterminate amount of time ALL my attacks will get:Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!
Now, I'm just using a OHE and using waylays. I can't tell if it is "do this much damage to the barrier and it goes away" or if it is "barrier lasts XX seconds". I'm also unable to confirm if spells will work during this time. A classic 'immune to physical attacks while susceptible to magic then vise verse' is pure speculation.||

sharp raptor
earnest spire
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||I'm also using wildfire 'just because'. Not sure if it is actually doing anything or not, but I'd rather have it and not need it than the other way around.||

sharp raptor
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Actually, I can already tell. In every instance that I get "Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!" it's a flare. Both offensive and defensive flares trigger it once the effect is in place. It never happens on my physical attacks as far as I can tell. What weapon are you using? Actually, no, I just didn't dig deep enough. I see it now.

earnest spire
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||Formerly a big old log of JD flailing wildly against the wyrm's prismatic barrier with waylays to zero effect||

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Lemme know when you get done reading that so I can delete/edit it down. Don't want the chat spammed with a giant black block.

sharp raptor
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Yeah, I need to dig into this because I think this is something new. My most recent logs show it. I hadn't really dug into them because the encounter was so rediculous, but now I'm seeing like this... (one mstrike volley from Myharl)

Deleted log to minimize visual impact

I didn't see this before the Benny Hill Wyrm.

earnest spire
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Benny Hill Wyrm, lol. ||So this is something I cannot confirm nor deny, it is tinfoil hat levels of speculation. Let's just call it a conspiracy theory! I also notice when I wailed at them with a flaring weapon they were waaaay meaner. When I was just plinking away with a plain weapon they seemed more... tame? It's probably bonkers to suggest but it's like wailing away at their prismatic barrier charges them up. Because they'd just turn around and hit me with a 5 hit mstrike that included maneuvers. I don't ever see that happening when I'm just plinking at them with an ensorcelled, wildfire weapon with no other attributes.||

sharp raptor
earnest spire
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Like check this one out, lol. I'll leave in the 'waylay' prompt and you can see how much goes down between the 'you're still stunned' messaging.

📎 message.txt
sharp raptor
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lol. That feels about right... madness. At least now. It's insane. When I watched Myharl get RT locked and dropped just from walking into the room with it I just kind of threw my hands up.

earnest spire
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Yeah, that's a vibe.

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So in one 'round' the Wyrm did a breath attack, a regular attack, breath attack, breath attack, breath attack, a 6 hit focused mstrike, and then bopped a warg also in the room. All in the time between 'command input' and 'Nah you're stunned.'

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My take away is ||A silver-scaled cold wyrm's eyes whirl with glints of furious amber and sullen crimson!|| is, "you're about to have a bad time."

cloud orchid
# 
[SMR result: 186 (Open d100: 29, Bonus: 100)]
Rustling by a savage fork-tongued wendigo on a current of air, your jet leather codex unleashes a dazzling arcane projectile!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Burst of flames to abdomen toasts skin nicely.

** A swirl of alchemical fire, scintillating blue and orange in hue, erupts from your eahnor cresset sword! **

   ... 15 points of damage!
   Burst of flames char abdomen a crispy black.
R>target next```

Wildfire oil on my sword triggered on a Thaum tome attack
chilly valve
#

Can we look into this bug with Valvrans? Somnis isnt sleeping them properly. I bugged them in game.
A wicked grin crosses your face as you hiss the words for Minor Water at an incomprehensibly rapid pace...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at an eyeless black valravn.
[SSR result: 150 (Open d100: 70)]

** For a split second, the striations of your cobra head staff expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the black valravn, enveloping it entirely and causing it to collapse, fast asleep! **
An eyeless black valravn is unaffected.

You fire a twisting column of blistering steam at an eyeless black valravn!
By amazing chance, the black valravn evades the bolt!
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.

Cast Roundtime in effect: Setting stance to guarded.

Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.

l
[Fjallarhart, Cooper's - 29999]
Splintered barrels mark the entrance to a battered turf house that must have been a cooper's shop. Several unfinished staves lean next to the entrance as if waiting to be worked. You also see the cauldron-shaped Zhagen disk and an eyeless black valravn (flying).
Obvious paths: northeast, southwest

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same with draugrs now....
** For a split second, the striations of your cobra head staff expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the shadow-cloaked draugr, enveloping him entirely and causing him to collapse, fast asleep! **
The fury seething in a withered shadow-cloaked draugr's eyes intensifies, fending off the soporific magic.

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maybe this is an undead thing that changed in January 2024? Before they got slept fine.

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This seems like a "Somnis vs. undead" bug correlated with a known bug as I found another message referencing a similar bug.... #1057031732454494379 message

abstract umbra
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is there anyway to defend against this? I've tried 1201, which is supposed to work against anything that is emotion related. A niveous giant warg sits back on its haunches and unleashes a long, high-pitched howl that sends a shiver of primal terror down your spine. [SSR result: 153 (Open d100: 77)] Roundtime: 10 sec.

cloud orchid
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Pretty sure thats just warcry bellow
and discipline is the only real defense. Even rank 6 warriors in warcries eat it on that.

abstract umbra
sharp raptor
cloud orchid
sharp raptor
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I agree, it's most likely just a mechanic with some flavor text.
1201 should probably have some effect on it with it being described as "primal terror" since the spell, unlocked, even removes sheer fear.

opal pine
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Curious if discipline has any effect. Seems like it should, as it factors into fear effects

abstract umbra
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Discipline (DIS): 100 (25) ... 110 (30) doesnt seem to

worthy knoll
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yeah SSR for high level stuff (wargs are 108ish) is just gonna get you. No real defense to it. At least it looks like you have enough survival to be reducing the RT from 20 seconds to 10 seconds, because those are base 20 second RT from basically a 120 endroll

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it's one of the reasons I prio kill wargs in the gigas villages, they also get a pack bonus per other warg in the room to the point where if there's 3-4 you will be RT locked forever.

pliant hatch
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wargs in numbers are absolute menaces, berserkers don't help either

opal pine
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Maybe if y'all hunted HW in a group as intended - bring an army to fight an army! 😆

worthy knoll
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yup just gota kill them

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I mean, I have no problem anymore dealing with swarms in HW generally, I'm not gonna fight like a bunch of disir and angryghosts but villages? swarm away

opal pine
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(that was not serious, nor practical advice)

strong raft
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I got some discipline enhancives for this and mental TD. I’d like to say that, heroism and self control helped some but can still get RT locked with wargs, berserker war cry and mastodon trumpets. As an aside, I’ve run into a half dozen warg packmothers and don’t understand how those generate. Are those warg warcry related ?

cloud orchid
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All I do these days is build my guy for Greatchamber swarms. Top tier fun. How many level 110+ critters can I take on

cloud orchid
strong raft
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To clarify - Not a half dozen at a time, but half dozen total since hunting my bard there.

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It takes a little while to bleed one down but helps that they can be stunned. It does produce a unique skin but because it can’t be crit or death flared, the skin always comes out crappy in value.

cloud orchid
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yeah, the skin is there for trophy purposes and is a very new addition. few months old at most

strong raft
#

Who knows - maybe the alabaster warg pelt, dsir feathers and valravn quills will be a part of charm system.

azure mantle
cloud orchid
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I like to chase her down for the pelts.

cloud orchid
sharp raptor
# strong raft I got some discipline enhancives for this and mental TD. I’d like to say that, h...

They spawn on a timer very similar to the wyrm. I feel like the packmother's spawn timer is slightly shorter maybe, but has been around 5-6 hours.

There was a while where the wyrm and packmother were spawning in the same window, a couple times I fought both in the same room at once. But over time that sync has shifted. My most epic Hinterwilds "victory" was when I slew a wyrm and packmother in the same room, and my necro ring spawned a ghostly wyrm and a spectral packmother that I then killed as well (two monuments in one room!).

There is a realm-wide spawn message when she spawns, though it's not monsterbold like the wyrm's and you have to be outside to hear it. Listen for her howls (or if you're near the Hoarbriar you'll hear the pack rushing by to hunt at her side). She always spawns in the cave in the Hoarbriar, and half a dozen normal wargs will spawn nearby outside.

The alabaster furs are a relatively new addition (12/28/2023 was the first one I found). They used to have just regular warg pelts, but they are also shank-able with a shank knife (I used to toss the meat in the box at Rawknucke's... I think there are a few still there). 😄

Oh, and alabaster pelt hack: If you have a necro ring, spawning a spectral or ghostly warg packmother will net you a bonus pelt, and before I was wacking them with white alloy, I think their pelts always came out in pristine condition.

sharp raptor
#

The one timer I never did figure out was the ||gigas runestone charges||. It seems to be mechanically based and not a timer. ||The best I've been able to deduce that each can hold no more than one charge, and they seem to be recharged as monsters are killed. The rate of recharge has been noted as being much, much slower in Plat (I'm guessing because there are far fewer kills happening). I also don't know if more than one person can be on the disc at a time (I only play Myharl). I've never seen another person there, and I spent some extended periods in the River of Color (a couple all-nighters camped out) when I was learning/researching the lore from ambients. ||

abstract umbra
opal pine
stuck blade
# 
A mottled grey warg pelt stretches across the plank floor before an uneven brick fireplace on the eastern wall.  Several frayed chairs form a loose semicircle around the hearth like decrepit kings holding court.  Decades of pipe smoke has seeped into the surroundings, leaving the air stale with its burnt herbal tang, but a fresher floral scent rises from a small hoarbeam herb box to sweeten the air.  You also see a raw-boned halfling tavernkeeper, a swirled steel bowl full of sticks and a wicker wastebin.
Obvious exits: west
>
[hwask]>ask tavernkeeper about bounty
Rawknuckle says, "Ah, so you have returned.  I take it you were successful?  Good.  The town of Cold River thanks you for your help.  I shall inform the Adventurer's Guild that you successfully completed your task.  You may pick up your reward there, Daenamaryllis."
>
The wind outside fills the air with low, plaintive moans.```

The wind is a cow that needs to be milked.
neon salmon
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wind's howling.

abstract umbra
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they get really angry sometimes. ```
A savage fork-tongued wendigo's eyes blaze a murderous crimson!
In an awe-inspiring display of combat mastery, a savage fork-tongued wendigo engages you in a furious dance macabre, spiraling into a blur of strikes and ripostes!
Lashing out unpredictably, a savage fork-tongued wendigo slices at you with an elongated talon!
AS: +636 vs DS: +518 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +37 = +174
... and hits for 4 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the right leg.

Lashing out unpredictably, a savage fork-tongued wendigo slices at you with an elongated talon!
AS: +636 vs DS: +502 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +14 = +167
... and hits for 2 points of damage!
Deft slash across chest draws blood!
You take a deep breath.

A savage fork-tongued wendigo's jaw unhinges as it tries to ravage you with its shark-like teeth!
Your head rings like a struck bell as icy snowflakes explode across your field of vision. You find yourself moved several feet from your original position!
AS: +626 vs DS: +502 with AvD: +20 + d100 roll: +44 = +188
... and hits for 9 points of damage!
Weak slash to your lower back!

A savage fork-tongued wendigo's jaw unhinges as it tries to ravage you with its shark-like teeth!
Your preparation to resist crushing damage helps to lessen the effects as you are struck!
AS: +626 vs DS: +502 with AvD: +20 + d100 roll: +80 = +224
... and hits for 9 points of damage!
Blow raises a welt on your right arm.

A savage fork-tongued wendigo's jaw unhinges as it tries to ravage you with its shark-like teeth!
AS: +626 vs DS: +500 with AvD: +20 + d100 roll: +52 = +198
... and hits for 15 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the right arm.```

upbeat zephyr
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any reason the HW winds are no longer proc'ing cold on ranger resist items?

An illusion of warmth blossoms in your flesh against the cold's constant onslaught.  You feel yourself losing the battle against hypothermia.
   ... 10 points of damage!
   You just got the cold shoulder!
   You are stunned for 1 round!```
lime knot
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I think even with druid fluid you only see the message if it actually changed the end result to a lower crit but i forget. stay out there a couple hours see what happens let it really build up lol.

and yeah it can be confusing. we asked when this came up previously to get like a "your xxx tried but didn't do anything" message so you at least know it's always getting properly considered even if it does nothing.

upbeat zephyr
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oh, there were many of them with nothing. Looks like an entire hunt with none, I only copied a single instance for reference. At 25% I'd expect the dmg to be reduced or show messaging, no?

lime knot
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¯_(ツ)_/¯
like that was a rank 2 if you took up to i think like 13 or 14 pre crit it would still just be a rank 2. or maybe it was a rank 1 and the 2 came from the +/- 1 randomization so it was 1 and still a 1 after (pre-random) can't reduce that.

upbeat zephyr
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looks to meet all the criteria for resistance to apply, as do others. 🤷‍♂️

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sharp raptor
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I didn't even realize that the gale was being affected by resistances. It makes sense, I just never noticed.

upbeat zephyr
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yeah, it was a great way to keep the ranger danger item charged over time 🙂

sharp raptor
#

So I decided to go back and dig through my logs to see why Myharl is struggling so hard with the wyrm. It's hard to see what's going on with it's volley of mstriks firing off every 3 seconds. In addition to being RT locked almost constantly, this is happening now since the changes:

You swing a glowing white sacred warsword at a silver-scaled cold wyrm!
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!

 ** Critical hit!  Your sacred warsword strikes the cold wyrm a savage blow! **
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!
You lose your focus on a silver-scaled cold wyrm's critical weaknesses.
You feel the unnatural surge of necrotic power wane away.
You swing a glowing white sacred warsword at a silver-scaled cold wyrm!
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!

 ** Emerging from your sacred warsword, a fiery spectral maiden coalesces and launches straight toward a silver-scaled cold wyrm, engulfing her in a searing sphere of fire! **
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!

  ** Burning orbs of pure flame burst from a glowing white sacred warsword and engulf a silver-scaled cold wyrm! **
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!
You swing a glowing white sacred warsword at a silver-scaled cold wyrm!
Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!```

The wyrm was literally made impossible for him to hit, so yeah, there's that. 😄 One hit will make it through about every 21 attacks it seems (once in three focused mstrike volleys). So, that explains why. If that gets changed, let me know—would love to go back to hunting them regularly. Not going to waste my time dying on it when I can't even hit it.
chilly valve
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Maybe that is anti-solo mechanism, I haven't killed one of the new models yet but I only tried once and got overrun by mobs plus 800 AS mstrike plus acid to my face. Now that it is much harder we need to get the reward mechanism in place! Even if gemstones aren't done maybe have it drop "placeholder material" upon death. No kidding this is how the last boss of Valheim is currently setup before they release the 2024 update haha.

earnest spire
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Have you tried using a non-flaring weapon? From my experience the flares provoke their immunity.

sharp raptor
earnest spire
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I always toss on wildfire, but next wyrm I'll try without it to see if that could also be a factor.

sharp raptor
earnest spire
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I know regular flares will trigger the immunity. I assume reactives would have the same affect. I've always put on Wildfire vs. Wyrms because I just assumed it helped. So long as I use a non-flaring weapon it seems I'm able to maintain damage without ever getting the attack disrupted. Now I need to test if NOT having Wildfire will have some kind of negative effect. If not, it might not be necessary at all.

earnest spire
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Alright just confirmed. Wildfire is not necessary. Just don't use a flaring weapon.

rocky galleon
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Terror flares may be an exception…

earnest spire
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Mindwrack works as well.

abstract umbra
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bubble flares are ok!

sharp raptor
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So high end script flares are fine, but standard flares are a no-go?

earnest spire
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Starsong was a no go.

abstract umbra
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I was seriously bummed about Starsong not being good for wyrms. But since they work on everything else, I can’t complain.

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I did give them (UCS gloves) to my level 30 something bard though. But that was because they were effecting the value of my skins.

fair comet
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does the wyrm still spam tail strike putting people into continuous RT?

earnest spire
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Yep

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It will go in a "fury" and will basically do mstrikes that can include any combination of attacks and maneuvers.

fair comet
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I don't know if ranger stealth is enough to stay hidden - guess I'll attempt at some point (heh, but even then, it's not like I can snipe and never fall out - especially with adds)

earnest spire
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Camo helps a lot. I put up unpresence as well to help. If it's searching it's not attacking. You can hopefully hide again before it's next action but they're faaaast. I prefer to engage with a few things in the room to distract them (preferably not valravns).

#

One mistake and it's usually over. Good times.

fair comet
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just like endless arena 😆 but wyrm runs from 125, right?

earnest spire
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Yeah 125.

junior linden
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Does the wyrm attack a character immediately after successfully searching and finding a character? I've noticed some creatures do and some don't.

earnest spire
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It wastes an action when they search you out. But their RT is like... 1, so you gotta be pretty quick on the re-hide

junior linden
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ah- thanks 🙂

earnest spire
# 
[SMR result: 108 (Open d100: 80, Bonus: 26)]
   ... 10 points of damage!
Corruscating glints of prismatic color race over a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scales, forming a lattice of protective energy!

Corruscations of color play along a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scaled hide, disrupting the attack!```Tested Dispel flares for science.  They will proc a barrier as well.
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I'm unable to test Somnis, but if the result is similar that would mean pre-resolution flares are WORSE vs. wyrms since the barrier will form and block the rest of the attack.

charred harness
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Hoping the experienced folk can help me out, I'm thinking about bringing my little crew up to HW and trying out the Pits (want to solely fight undead).
I've never been to HW.
What would I need to know? Both about HW and the Pits specifically...

cloud orchid
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You need significant sheer fear resist for pit

cloud orchid
charred harness
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Just curious if there are any mechanic things i need to prepare for. Is the Pits subject to the same "survival / cold damage" that I hear about from the general area there?
My whole crew has S5'd gear, and most are voln, so should be pretty good with sheer fear. Most are voln too.
Any climbing ranks and things like that needed?
Any tricks to getting in/out of the pits?

strong raft
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All the hunting grounds are easy to access once you’re inside HW. 100 ranks of climbing fine with the occasional slip on ice. If you have S5 gear (armor and shield), voln courage and evoke 211/215, you’ll be fine even with dangerous creature type AG tasks on the highest level undead (dsir). My bard is non voln, shield and armor T5, heroism, dauntless, and hasn’t had any issues with shear fear.

tribal quarry
cloud orchid
charred harness
cloud orchid
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0 survival needed as well

charred harness
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That was my next question... timer was holding me back 😆

cloud orchid
#

There are several ways to avoid all cold damage for free. One a puzzle. One is using gigas bucks

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Survival 1x and FA 1x is enough to skin

frosty junco
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You’ll see some non undead in there too, wandering in from the surrounding areas. Mostly undead though

cloud orchid
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Swarm rate is pretty slow, fyi

charred harness
tribal quarry
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The Pits are very slow even with a larger group than that. If you want a faster undead experience, try the Spirit Walk Greatchamber.

frosty junco
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If you want more action you can move closer to the entrance of the northern woods. That’s the fun part

They should release a milestone ATP for parking yourself in the Greatchamber and not dying for like 10 mins

cloud orchid
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The greatchamber for sure is screwey. It has some weird way to trap things in it somehow and you can get some wild times

frosty junco
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It’s just sort of a nexus room for multiple areas. Don’t think there’s anything broken about it. It’s super fun

charred harness
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hmmm, starting to wonder if I should just keep enjoying Moonsedge 🤣
Especially if all i want is undead

frosty junco
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It’s like 90%+ undead in the Pits. Come try it. Lots of fun

charred harness
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not used to flying critters.... safe to assume they can't be tackled?

cloud orchid
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Valravn? Carns Cry. They fall down

strong raft
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Valravns are technically flying but you can still kneebash or hamstring for an easy headshot.

cedar charm
#

Some Crazed Zombie Fiends running around this morning. Pretty Squishy… Happy April Fool’s

pine folio
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Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I just started hunting hinterwilds recently and noticed that I get "out of reach" errors when using barrage and volley, if my target is a gigas something on a mastodon, despite them being ranged attacks.

fair comet
earnest spire
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So I finally got a chance to test Great Somnis vs. Wyrms. I couldn't get it to proc the immunity barrier. You will get success messaging that you put it to sleep, but it is a lie. It's very much not asleep. So the take away is that Somnis won't HURT you when fighting a Wyrm, but it doesn't actually help, either.

chilly valve
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I still think some of the other HW critters like valvrans and Draugrs are not properly falling alseep. I do get the "not affected" message. They should be affected if they can be Voln slept.

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Can anyone else confirm what I am seeing with them and Somnis?

earnest spire
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I can check in a bit.

earnest spire
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Yep, looks like Draugr and Valravns are immune to Somnis but can be Voln slept just fine.

chilly valve
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I assume that is an error but not sure if it is an item level bug or a hunting ground bug. I did bug them in the past but I will do it again.

earnest spire
#

Draugr even have specific messaging. ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis short sword expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the shadow-cloaked draugr, enveloping her entirely and causing her to collapse, fast asleep! ** The fury seething in a withered shadow-cloaked draugr's eyes intensifies, fending off the soporific magic.

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Add angargeists to the list. Disciples also seem to just act normally, even while popping messaging that they're asleep.

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Disciples are wildly buggy, heh. They will display success, then display messaging saying they're no longer asleep... and act as normal... but if you look at the room they display as sleeping. Even if they move and you follow, they'll display as being asleep.

chilly valve
#

weird.... might be a HW specific thing? Something definitely changed in January....

shy torrent
# 
A shining winged disir can't be knocked down.```
pliant hatch
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#gamemaster-endnotes message RIP

shy torrent
#

well then

# 
Despite desperate windmilling to catch her balance, a shining winged disir topples toward you!  In a vain attempt, you leap to dodge the collapsing disir, but the fullness of her weight strikes you with bone-shattering force, pinning you to the ground!```
#

so the fix was more specifically addressing the trip/tackle immunities?

compact rock
cloud orchid
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No more tackling angargeists either. Pit just got MUCH more deadly

#

dirtkick stonks just went up

chilly valve
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Disabler review strikes again! 🧌

raven tendon
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oof, between this and the gem bounty nerf...

tribal quarry
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Gem bounty nerf?

chilly valve
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You mean when they added a billion new random obscure gems?

raven tendon
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thats it

chilly valve
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I can't wait until they add medium gold nugget, large medium gold nugget, and smallish medium larger gold nugget

tribal quarry
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Oh, I had so many spare bottles it didn't really affect me, heh.

cloud orchid
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I have to relearn my angargeist rotation. Its all foiled now lol

raven tendon
chilly valve
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I use my fwi locker for hinterwild gemsso I do need to share it with some other items for convenience. We need a HW locker!

raven tendon
chilly valve
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Imagine if they "fixed" gem bounties were you could reliably get 8 uncut diamonds searching 20-30 critters in bounty designated area instead of the ~10% chance they probably have coded in there right now.

tribal quarry
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The odds are dependent on loot pressure. If gems the caliber of uncut diamonds wouldn't normally drop, it's still hard to get them to drop.
https://gswiki.play.net/Adventurer's_Guild#Gem_Collecting
[...] Adventurers are more likely to find the gem that they are tasked to retrieve until they have received enough to complete the bounty. The multiplier only works on creatures that the hunter can learn from and that already drop that gem, and only if they were going to drop a gem of that value; shells will not drop in Icemule just because the multiplier is active, and zircons will not turn into diamonds.
Of course, the opposite is also true--if an area has really low loot pressure and diamonds are dropping like rain, doing your green zircon bounty there can be a nightmare. In that case, consider going somewhere with terrible loot.

cloud orchid
raven tendon
cloud orchid
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ah, yeah thats not a thing with smaller weapons. Lance for sure

earnest spire
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Sweep works.

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I mean it makes sense that sweep would continue to work vs. creatures normally immune to other knockdowns. Without the distraction of a profession service rogues are able to simply bend reality to their will.

#

There is no spoon.

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...or maybe Disir and Angargeists were incorrectly "fixed", since they've always been able to be knocked down... maybe they got 'em confused with undansormrs, which are immune to every knockdown except tackle. Pure speculation, though.

opal pine
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Disir were definitely not supposed to be able to be knocked down. We had a whole discussion about it months ago where only a few systems actually did knock them down, and I swear tackle was already on the doesn’t-work list

#

#1191064189981163611 message

earnest spire
#

Uhhhh...

lime knot
earnest spire
# 
[SMR result: 264 (Open d100: 129, Bonus: 100)]
A shining winged disir is buffeted by the crimson ethereal sphere.
   ... 35 points of damage!
   Flame sets a shining winged disir's head alight like a torch.  Burned beyond recognition.
Deafening silence crashes down over you.  A flash of blinding white light erupts from the disir, leaving her afterimage seared into your eyes.
Blinding light explodes from the disir's eyes and mouth as her wings spread, unfurled by the throes of her agony.  The radiance sears her shadow onto the ground behind her as she topples backward, lifeless.
The licks of blue flame surrounding a shining winged disir flare up one last time before vanishing with a staticky crackle.
A shining winged disir seems to lose some focus as her eyes narrow and shift momentarily to one side.
The mote of white light next to a shining winged disir disappears.
A shining winged disir loses the flickering energy surrounding her.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.```
lime knot
#

yeah i mean, just killing them with 435 is also an option.

earnest spire
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...eh nevermind it's not the ewave that has been knocking them down, it's been the crit from 435 knocking them down. Derp.

lime knot
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^ yes severing a leg was doing it also. the conversation Kaetel is talking about was around here, it starts with Ptolemy talking about knocking them down and me being like "uh, show me cause nothing i've done ever works" and leading eventually to "tackle and sweep probably are bugged and not making a check for this immunity"
#1057019583686520942 message

opal pine
earnest spire
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Yeah, I'm on the same page now. It's not my fault if sweep gets patched, fam.

lime knot
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410/912 probably/etc. can still give them the roundtime. crits i think high enough that severed the leg worked (but not lower rank ones that just cause knockdown). i think was the case for knockdown via injury

earnest spire
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Yep, 100%. Regular 410 just buffets 'em.

pliant hatch
#

Sounds like maybe sweep won’t work for much longer lol

cloud orchid
rocky galleon
#

Can you no longer tackle the Wyrm?

sharp raptor
# rocky galleon Can you no longer tackle the Wyrm?

Barely could before the changes (downtime was like 1-2 second before it was back up unless it got rooted), not sure if the new update prevents it entirely. Next time I see one land, I'll try to tackle it to find out.

stuck blade
#

The gem dealer in Cold River, Brindlestoat, has received orders from multiple customers requesting a large platinum nugget. You have been tasked to retrieve 10 of them. You can SELL them to the gem dealer as you find them.
Oof.

compact rock
chilly valve
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The best is when they ask you for 10 petrified mammoth tusks

stuck blade
#

I actually keep the tusks on me

marsh canyon
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you keep then on you? They weigh about 10 pounds apiece

#

I keep a couple dozen in my locker, which takes up a lot of space since understandably you can't bottle them

cloud orchid
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I handle tusks with my saddlebag. Its perfect for the job

tough anvil
#

Did someone drop their Lumnis brooch out in the forest today? I picked one up doing a wendigo bounty.

pliant hatch
#

Wow, hell of a thing to lose

tough anvil
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Wish the loresong said who it belonged to!

exotic haven
#

There is a way to see if something is registered to someone if that helps! I don’t remember the exact verb but it’s part of register

tough anvil
#

s>register info brooch
There is no recorded information available for the quintuple orb brooch.

chilly valve
#

those brooches are attuned right? Maybe its a legendary find!

shrewd pier
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this one is account restricted, it was on the ground when we entered the room

tough anvil
chilly valve
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is it a casual brooch or is it a 11x per day mega whale brooch, that should filter out some ppl.... try analyze it

tough anvil
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I'm not whaley enough to know the difference. This one absorbs exp twice a day.

chilly valve
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Might need a GM to sort it out, I found a ton of attuned RPA orbs at the gemshop awhile ago and still need to figure out whose they are...

exotic haven
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i have assisted when i found attuned orbs, so that's also an option!

viral aspen
#

Why oh why is there no coffee available at Rawknuckle's?!?!
It's freezing outside and he's offering chilled absinthe on the menu...

cloud orchid
#

coffee nerfs

compact rock
#

Hot toddy cough syrup keeps the chills at bay

craggy flame
timid shuttle
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Yuck

# 
You swing a gleaming rune-scribed maul at a withered shadow-cloaked draugr!
  AS: +779 vs DS: +567 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +97 = +346
   ... and hit for 161 points of damage!
   Left hip pulped, severing the leg.
[SMR result: 211 (Open d100: 191, Penalty: 20)]
Despite desperate windmilling to catch her balance, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr topples toward you!  In a vain attempt, you leap to dodge the collapsing draugr, but the fullness of her weight strikes you with bone-shattering force, pinning you to the ground!

   ... 13 points of damage!
   Smack to the eye bursts blood vessels.
   You are stunned for 3 rounds!
Roundtime: 20 sec.
   The shadow-cloaked draugr is stunned!
You are in no condition to do that right now!```
# 
A shining winged disir settles into a firm stance and flings her golden aegis at you![SMR result: 101 (Open d100: 55, Penalty: 10)]
  The aegis races through the air and strikes you in the neck!
   ... 8 points of damage!
   Blow to your neck tears tissue.
   You are stunned for 1 round!
Gilded brilliance twinkles along the edges of a shining winged disir's metallic spear as she swings it at you!
  AS: +647 vs DS: +379 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +71 = +371
   ... and hits for 50 points of damage!
   Well aimed shot, punctures upper arm!```
timid shuttle
# 
A shining winged disir raises her a gleaming golden aegis and braces for an assault as a luminous barrier momentarily enshrouds her form.
You swing a gleaming rune-scribed maul at a shining winged disir!
  AS: +804 vs DS: +644 with AvD: +51 + d100 roll: +81 = +292
   ... and hit for 91 points of damage!
   Solid strike caves the winged disir's skull in, resulting in instant death!
Deafening silence crashes down over you.  A flash of blinding white light erupts from the disir, leaving her afterimage seared into your eyes.
Blinding light explodes from the disir's eyes and mouth as her wings spread, unfurled by the throes of her agony.  The radiance sears her shadow onto the ground behind her as she topples backward, lifeless.
The mote of white light next to a shining winged disir disappears.
The licks of blue flame surrounding a shining winged disir flare up one last time before vanishing with a staticky crackle.
You swing a gleaming rune-scribed maul at an eyeless black valravn!
  AS: +804 vs DS: +602 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +97 = +337
   ... and hit for 162 points of damage!
   Crushing blow to the spine!
  The black valravn slumps to the ground.
   The black valravn is knocked to the ground!
   The black valravn is stunned!

 ** Your rune-scribed maul bursts alight with leaping tongues of holy fire! **
   Consumed by the hallowed flames, an eyeless black valravn is ravaged for 53 points of damage!
   ... 30 points of damage!
   Extreme heat causes an eyeless black valravn's right leg to expand and snap.  That must hurt!
>
An eyeless black valravn ruffles its feathers in a single, precise shake as it recovers its wits.
An eyeless black valravn hops to its feet and gives a single flap of its wings.
>
A semblance of warmth returns to your body as the bitter cold of the Hinterwilds retreats.
>
[uberbarv: ********  48 EXP Gained this Pulse **(2024-04-13_18:10:02)]
You assault an eyeless black valravn with an unrelenting fury!
You swing a gleaming rune-scribed maul at an eyeless black valravn!
  AS: +804 vs DS: +604 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +17 = +255
   ... and hit for 100 points of damage!
   Right arm ripped from socket at the elbow!
   The black valravn is knocked to the ground!
   The black valravn is stunned!

 ** Necrotic energy from your rune-scribed maul overflows into you! **

   You feel energized!
You swing a gleaming rune-scribed maul at an eyeless black valravn!
  AS: +829 vs DS: +536 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +13 = +344
   ... and hit for 150 points of damage!
   Tremendous blow crushes skull like a ripe melon.
As the radiance dims around black valravn's body, its shadow stretches long and strange as unsettling silence fills the air.  Heralded by a sound like the stirring of great wings, the noise of your surroundings crashes back down upon you, more noticeable for its brief absence.
An eyeless black valravn tumbles to the ground, landing in an awful tangle of talons and feathers.```
ashen tapir
#

This looks 'wrong', a hidden creature picks up an item. I see them do it. Then they ambush from hiding in the same move, somehow

A bloody halfling  cannibal snatches up a riveted golden targe!
With an ululating shriek, a bloody halfling cannibal leaps from the shadows and hurtles at you, swinging wildly with an immense fel-hafted handaxe!
  AS: +564 vs DS: +553 with AvD: +31 + d100 roll: +91 = +133
   ... and hits for 29 points of damage!
   Solid strike caves your skull in, resulting in instant death!
A dark shadow seems to detach itself from your body, swiftly dissipating into the air.```
cyan lynx
#

Hrm.

tardy fjord
#

Some hides are undetected!!!

#

Maybe he was an amazingly good hider. One sec r/t and perfectly executed. Amazing

queen hollow
#

Also...sum skulls is too daggum soft. 😏

opal pine
#

Ugh. Can we retire the current wyrm until he's in a semi-tennable state? As is, it's just a partial party wipe basically as soon as he enters the room. Every time I've run into him in the last couple months I've lost at least 1 squad mate within the first second. He just comes in and instantly cleaves with 700+ AS, usually while I'm in RT from dealing with the standard fauna. Zero chance of actually engaging properly, much less succeeding.

calm flint
tribal quarry
#

I mean... there's like ten rounds of monsterbold messaging to warn that the wyrm is coming. 🤣

opal pine
#

Yes, but it doesn't say in which zone he's going to ultimately land until the very last one. So if the answer is "okay we're on the last few rounds of alerts, let's go sit in town for 20 minutes" - that also doesn't feel great.

sharp raptor
#

If you're outside you'll see where it lands. That being said, it moves fast, and isn't restricted to the area it lands in.
I propose a solution: fix the wyrm, let Myharl and friends keep the Hinterwilds relatively wrym-free like he used to. 😉

It is a bit annoying to be hunting and get offed by it now. I simply ran past it the other day using ;go2 and got slammed into RT lock just passing through the room, knocked prone, and then promptly killed with 3-second vollies of five 700+ AS attacks. Not to mention it's immune to everything... so even my reactive flares are pointless.

earnest spire
#

I'm on the other side of it a little bit. I had one spawn in Plat and I was like, "I should be safe in the Pits, I'll go there." Then like five or so minutes into the hunt the thing WALKED INTO THE PITS. I was in absolutely no position to engage (minimal preparation, a little encumbered, had an injury, etc). I engaged it anyway because YOLO and it went as well as you can expect... but part of me thought it was actually kind of a cool way to die.

That said I agree, and would prefer they at least be rolled back to the previous version until all the kinks are worked out. Or at least give us the Big Game Hunter achievement if nothing else if we manage to down it.

cloud orchid
#

I've gotten pit-jumped by the wyrm to. I just laugh and depart confirm. no biggie. But i also agree he's not serving any real purpose right now

calm flint
#

yeah, but really, what's more important, the death beast that stalks and murders us all every month or so OR fishing in Hinterwilds?

abstract umbra
calm flint
#

Like outside the fishing hut with all the fishing poles and drying fish!

compact rock
#

Spice it up a bit- Issenflow! Cast RT would be deleterious.

hasty garnet
#

sorry for any repeat questions, just starting to dabble into this area -- is there a clear list of what keywords to ask the alchemist in order to interact with him?

opal pine
#

order

hasty garnet
#

-____- let this question stand as a monument to me idiocy for all time

pliant hatch
# 
A tattooed gigas berserker grabs your hair and lifts you.  With a malevolent grin on his face, he winds up and hurls you into the air, sending you flying through a rune-carved white granite arch.
[Ojandhaart, Approach - 29900] (u7503118)
You notice a stunted halfling bloodspeaker.
Obvious paths: west
You impact the ground at a surprisingly favorable angle before rolling, miraculously coming away unharmed!```Not sure that should succeed on a 92 SMR, lol. Unless sub-101 SMR is why I recovered unharmed?
cyan lynx
#

That's why you recovered unharmed.

lime knot
#

for april fools the messaging should change to have 3 cannibals pop out of the shadows and hold up scorecards with perfect 10's for the landing

hasty garnet
#

3 cannibals in a trenchcoat

cyan lynx
#

LOL.

abstract umbra
#

what is the new survival skill requirement to no longer slip while running through? I find myself slipping in a few rooms every time I move through them.

calm flint
#

I still do every now and then at 303, so I guess, never 😝

thick wing
#

there might be an issue with the slippage reduction on mounts negatively affecting people walking on their own two feet

junior linden
#

anyone have a favorite HW gem?

I like the small round graupel onyx: The little black chunk of onyx is naturally rounded, made smooth by the work of time and the elements. No larger than a chunk of fresh-fallen graupel, it has tiny blossoms of white beneath its surface.

abstract umbra
junior linden
cyan lynx
#

😚

sharp raptor
# junior linden anyone have a favorite HW gem? I like the small round graupel onyx: `The little...

Everfrost. It's become central to Myharl's theme. I really dig how it crosses classifications. It's a gem. It's a crystal that radiates pure cold to the point it condenses the air around it into wisps of frigid mist. It's technically a magical metal. Rhimar so pure that it has crystalized. They don't drop frequently, but I've saved every one I found since the path to the Hinterwilds was discovered. Gifted my first bottle of 100 to a friend, and I am steadily working on the second bottle of 100. The next would probably be raven's wing obsidian, which my shank knife is now made from. 😄

Side note of appreciation for the quicksilver globes. I managed to snag about a dozen before they vanished. Appreciated because I had literally spent years trying to track down a quicksilver vial from ages ago to no avail.

The chunk of dark volcanic glass is chipped here and there, but its surfaces are smooth and reflective.  Glints of pink, violet, indigo, and shimmering green skitter across the black surface of the gem in ambient light, resembling the oily sheen of a raven's plumage.```
calm flint
junior linden
junior linden
sharp raptor
# junior linden Would you post a description of the raven's wring? (not sure if that's a spoiler...

I think most the Hinterwilds gems haven't been added. I added the everfrost awhile back. I'm not in GS at the moment, but will post the description for the obsidian when I get back if someone else hasn't by then.

Overhauling the Hinterwilds on the wiki is something I'm wanting to do, but I have several other projects in front of it (right now wrapping up cataloging a lot of historical media stuff for the wiki that I want to release next week, cleaning up all the Moons of Elanthia stuff I put together, and doing some projects for TownCrier)... and somewhere in there wrap up the pending stuff on Myharl's wiki page.

junior linden
shy torrent
#

Once I interacted with a quicksilver globe it changed to the sliver one

sharp raptor
#

Ah! I have mine jarred. So, guess I'll be leaving them there.

abstract umbra
#

These are probably my favorites
Niveous Snowdrop Tear-shaped, the snowdrop is a striking translucent white. It is of a size that it might be mistaken for a hailstone, were it not for the startling radiance channeled by its facets. Impurities within the gem form the faint suggestion of falling snowflakes, not one of the frosty occlusions completely alike to another.

a faceted stormcloud alexandrite The alexandrite seems a tempest captured in crystal. Its color is a moody blend of pale blues and dark greys, with hints of pale green flirting about the facets. Within the depths, flashes of electric violet mimic the capricious dance of lightning across a storm-tossed sky.

ashen tapir
#

So i've got a question. is this an outdated situation or is HW still generating more than one type of egg?

a fossilized undansormr egg (2)```
opal pine
#

No, the top is an old typo that was fixed. You've likely had them a while

hasty garnet
# 
A behemothic gorefrost golem is vulnerable to the heat!
   ... 3 points of damage!
   Minor burns to left arm.  That hurts a bit.
The molten magma rapidly cools and hardens into constricting rock.``` is this vulnerable, really, 3 damage?
sharp raptor
plain plume
#

so when does the Wyrm leave an area? Does it go away on it's own. It prowled in and pretty much just stopped me from doing anything and killed me. I don't really want to deal with it so just trying to understand if it will leave or if it has to be defeated?

#

in HW seems you don't have much of a choice but to decay since it would take a bit for a cleric to get there. Would be nice if clerics and empaths had free portal cost or something there. heh

#

have it where if someone dies it creates a window where it's free

strong raft
#

The wyrm eventually leaves. But it travels all over the hunting grounds. I ran into it once in the pits and it seems to stir up the spawn rate some. After getting whupped by the recent ‘roided version of the wyrm, I just avoid hunting for 10 minutes when I see the spawn messaging.

pliant hatch
#

Yeah wyrm messaging means hit the pipe den and don't go anywhere for 10 minutes. Very fun stuff

plain plume
#

I'll have to keep that in mind to just leave HW when it comes. Thanks for the info. It's just kinda pointless to even attempt to fight something that is just going to lock me up from moving so I can't do anything just by walking by it or having it walk into my room.

strong raft
#

Getting rekt by the wyrm should open up a funny unique title. Heck, after getting owned in a funny way x-times, funny titles can be seen as progression. After getting nuked by song of power 5 times, you see “so and so, the Mana voided”

calm flint
#

I always roll the dice and just dive in and ignore the messaging. Just "if it's my fate to die this day, I will die." Feels good to make it thru in one piece, though yes, sometimes I die

sharp raptor
#

Yeah, the wyrm's "timer" is roughly 13 minutes once landing unless it gets engaged by players. It has never flown off in the middle of an engagement with living characters in the room that I am aware of. Though I have seen it "vanish" by being driven into a dead-end room by a summon swarm a few times. The areas it won't encroach are: anywhere in Cold River, the ||River of Color||, beyond the ||Sybil's arch||, Bittergale's Glade, and as far as I can tell it's can't trek on the Issenflow. It can enter any structure outside of town, and I've even had it hop in the well in Fjallhaart with me a couple times. It very rarely (though it can) cross through the huntman's trail between Angargreft and the Boreal Forest, so that's typically a safe place to duck in if needed as well.

abstract umbra
#

I just ignore it. When it arrives I let the population know, then when it leaves I let them know it’s fled rather than approach and fight me.

sharp raptor
#

It's just landed. I decided to stalk it a bit, it's around the runestone near Fjallhaart now. I did notice something I don't recall seeing before.
A reptilian cry of victory trumpets through the air, coming from the northeast.
Might just be because when I hunt them, I never linger in an adjacent room, but I'm fairly sure I haven't seen that message before.

abstract umbra
#

The entire HW seems more dangerous to me in the last few weeks. Like something changed.

sharp raptor
#

Hrmm... I've not noticed, but it maybe a threshold thing. I've noticed the gale hitting a bit harder more frequently, but I chalked that up to RNG luck.

hasty garnet
#

What level am I supposed to be able to get bounties from halfwhistle? He gives me the prompt as if he has a bounty, but I can't get any: ```Halfwhistle nods to you and says, "Looking for something to do, Duffield? I've got just the thing for you. If you want to know more, simply ask me about BOUNTIES."

exp
Level: 90

ask half for bount
Halfwhistle says, "I'm sorry Duffield, but I don't seem to have any tasks that are suitable for you. Perhaps you might want to head to another town that provides a more challenging environment for you?"```

abstract umbra
hasty garnet
#

Hmm still too low then I suppose, thought I would be able to get cannibals etc

stuck blade
tough swan
#

Yeah, the wyrm is crazy right now. Completely ignored Bertrandt's Bellow even on a decent endroll. Trounced me in full defensive. Kinda crazy.

calm flint
#

killed me the day I was talking about how I just go out there regardless, but c'est la vie 😛

thick wing
#

...any idea how long it takes the wyrm to despawn?

abstract umbra
stuck blade
# 
  AS: +536 vs DS: +313 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +98 = +348
   ... and hits for 60 points of damage!
   Crack to the head swells eye shut.```
I too wield the power of sympathy.
abstract umbra
hasty garnet
#

I feel like once or twice a day someone wanders down, but this is the first time Ive seen one of the undead come down

abstract umbra
#

it screamed in abject fear when it saw me (I edited out those parts) then it died, again. It's just not something i've ever seen in plat in the cannibal area.

sharp raptor
#

Has anyone else noticed a severe lack of inky black nightstones in the Hinterwilds? I've not found any recently. I've found two silver globes (which seemed to be the rarest before now).

hasty garnet
#

do you need some? I might be taking them all

#

Gems [213]: a stygian lichstone (6), some dark ivory aranthium-bloom (13), a faceted wyrm's heart sapphire (7), a red-clouded black moonstone (3), a faceted stormcloud alexandrite (3), a vinous gigasblood ruby (9), a cylindrical red beryl (4), a lustrous vermilion firedrop (5), a blue-green glacial core (7), a misty grey deathstone (5), a faceted midnight blue riftstone, a green alexandrite stone (3), a brilliant wyrm's-tooth amethyst (4), an uncut ruby (3), an uncut diamond (5), a small white pearl, a golden moonstone (4), a faceted teal sapphire (6), a cabochon torchlight carnelian (3), a brilliant snowblind diamond (6), a vivid cobalt blue spinel (14), some golden rhimar-bloom (5), a stark white snowstone (3), a niveous snowdrop (4), a piece of dusky blue sapphire (6), a pear-shaped greenish yellow citrine (6), a pastel-hued wintersbite pearl (2), a sparkling ice blue dreamstone (6), a flickering snowfire ruby (9), a deep violet duskjewel (6), a large yellow diamond (6), a spruce green emerald, a medium black pearl (2), a gold-green auroral emerald (6), a blue star-shaped riftshard (4), an Eye-of-Koar emerald, an uncut emerald (6), a nival everfrost shard, a firestone, a yellow sunstone, a dragonsbreath sapphire, a star emerald (2), an inky black nightstone (7), a glossy black doomstone, an aster opal, a shard of oblivion quartz, a pink topaz, a white sunstone, a chameleon agate, a shard of glossy black obsidian, a metallic black pearl, a tiny white pearl, a black opal, a piece of black riftstone, a grey moonstone, an obsidian eye (2), a pale violet riftstone I generally keep a lot on hand for sheath pipe dreams (and sell off anything more than 6)

sharp raptor
#

I don't need them for anything specific. I just collect all the Hinterwilds gems en masse. And noticed I had not seen one drop or in any boxes in a few weeks. Which seemed odd. Glad to see them still dropping though - must just be a weird bout of luck.

hasty garnet
#

anyway in this hot soup I have 7 nightstones, and I oopsied and sold off all my gems recently so this has to be within the last week or so

#

there was someone looking for specifically blue rifstones the last few days, which he got, but damn couldnt see a single one drop in that time.. so its only when youre looking for something specific heh (yes riftstones are rift not here but same "Watched pot" mentality)

#

I was so excited to make warg pelt sheaths and then I realized I hated every single one I tried to make

sharp raptor
#

I have jars with a few thousand of them (Hinterwidls gems) jarred and lockered.
lol, yeah that always seems to be the case! A quirk of statistics - never when you need them. 😆

hasty garnet
#

I'll know who to hit up for specific gems then hehe

sharp raptor
abstract umbra
hasty garnet
# 
      a mane fringed warg pelt weapon sling inlaid with blood amber
      an ora bound warg pelt weapon sling fringed with hinterboar manes``` "warg pelt weapon sling" was just a bad choice, Bightroc I have failed you
opal pine
#

I've found just under a dozen in the last week and a half, give or take

abstract umbra
#

loot cap?

sharp raptor
hasty garnet
#

we heard you like wargs so we put wargs on your wargs

sharp raptor
# abstract umbra loot cap?

Nah! I don't hunt enough for that. I've hit soft cap several times, but hard cap is a long ways off. Definitely not on either right now. I think it just may be odd luck.

hasty garnet
#

ugly sheath party for the holidays, or an april fools darkbox filled with ugly sheaths

abstract umbra
hasty garnet
#

gonna start fringing with mastodon trunks and cerebralite tentacles, gonna look like a dang predator walkin around

calm flint
#

Has anyone seen any inky black fishing in the river lately? I keep trying to raise my rod and nada! 😛

wraith wave
#

Hang on, you can fish more than deeds here?

calm flint
#

can't fish....yet.....

#

I'm just constantly a bit frosty there's like an entire fishing area of the village that won't let me fish

cyan lynx
#

Writing fish is hard, okay!?

stuck blade
#

You should apologize to fish and let him know you're not sure what to write about, maybe he will let you off the hook.

earnest spire
#

There should be fish a boss that is a low % random chance that you have to actually fight after you catch it. Level 120 Gigas Mouth Bass. Only once you defeat it along with all of the other bosses will you earn the Big Game Hunter Milestone.

calm flint
#

Just do the Retser way and be like "you catch a fish, it has a weight and a length"

earnest spire
#

You have to take the gigas mouth bass fin, alabaster warg pelt, wyrm scale, and the spoiler spoil and present them all to the Frostling to earn your personal plaque that reads, "I Won Gemstone", that gets mailed to your house.

#

Or it summons Koar and he gives you a high five along with a commemorative pin. I don't know. I don't work here.

livid temple
#

Accidently hook the wyrm

sharp raptor
#

Makes me wonder if the Issenflow is saltwater or freshwater. With the Hinterwilds being in deep freeze, and with no evidence of geothermic activity, the question is where its flow comes from. If it's fed by an estuary off the Frostmain, then it might be an unusual case of inland flowing waters pushed by tidal bore and relatively warmer currents from further south in the Great Western Sea (Elanthia does have two moons large enough to cause weirdness with the tides). If the river flows from west-to-east, that would be the case. If, however it's flowing east-to-west, down form somewhere inland, it might be from meltwaters in higher regions somewhere further east of the boreal forest with some mechanism in place to generate that runoff.

stuck blade
#

Are we playing the same game? Respect

hasty garnet
# 
You see a fairly typical fork-tongued wendigo.
It has snapped bones and serious bleeding from its neck, A COMPLETELY SEVERED RIGHT ARM, A COMPLETELY SEVERED RIGHT LEG, A COMPLETELY SEVERED LEFT LEG, a fractured and bleeding right hand, some minor cuts and bruises on its chest and deep lacerations across its back.
[Hinterwilds, Issenflow Banks - 29886] (u7503106)
You also see a frigid cyclone and a savage fork-tongued wendigo. [THAT IS STANDING?!?!]
Obvious paths: northeast, southeast, west```  very acrobatic I guess
craggy flame
#

is has a left arm to do a one-handed hand stand on, obviously...

opal pine
# 
The gemcutter takes the wintersbite pearl, gives it a careful examination and and says, "I don't have that much spare silver, so I will have to give you a bank note for it."  He then hands you an Icemule promissory note for 21,319 silvers.```
pliant hatch
#

Hachi machi

hasty garnet
# 
  CS: +450 - TD: +294 + CvA: -21 + d100: +68 - -5 == +208
  Warding failed!
  You feel a sudden inexplicable fear!
  You freeze, unable to control the wave of fear that swells within you!
  Roundtime: 30 sec.
The magic of the fork-tongued wendigo's spell falters as it takes hold, its energies diminished.``` why is this "hostile spell effect" not "capped at 20 seconds" as stated by Kroderine Soul?
pliant hatch
#

Because that's 1108 and the code likely hasn't been looked at since obama's first term. Stuff like that is on a spell-by-spell basis, I think, and 1) not many players use 1108 at all and they don't use it on other characters and 2) not many creatures use 1108. It should be looked at, but I'm not surprised it wasn't automatically capped by releasing KS

hasty garnet
hasty garnet
# 
  You freeze, unable to control the wave of fear that swells within you!
  Roundtime: 30 sec.
Roundtime changed to 48 seconds.```
craggy flame
#

did you BUG it? posting it here isn't the same thing.

hasty garnet
#

its been bugged - along with the gigas berserker bellows that are additive RT, not refresh

craggy flame
#

thanks!

hasty garnet
# 
An immense gold-bristled hinterboar scrapes the ground with one forehoof before lowering its huge head.  It barrels into a mighty charge, hooves pounding across the ground as it races toward you.  An immense gold-bristled hinterboar slams into you, tusks first!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Well aimed shot almost removes an eye!
   You are stunned for 3 rounds!
Roundtime: 5 sec.``` I assume the roll result is not connected or damage, something like that?
lime knot
#

that's only a rank 2. Due to how non-AS/DS attacks resolve you can pretty much always get a rank 2 and no amount of padding/resist/KS redux would prevent it.

ashen tapir
#

here we see an ambushing cannibal gets two rolls before a swing, interesting

With an ululating shriek, a bloody halfling cannibal leaps from the shadows and throws her wiry arms around you, fueled by panicked hunger!

You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by a faint lucky feeling.

You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
  AS: +464 vs DS: +673 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +18 = -161
   A clean miss.```
hasty garnet
hasty garnet
#

I know this won't matter in a level, but... I'm currently 95 and don't get any bounties in HW, but from Icemule I most definitely get bounties for Moonsedge. I think someone earlier told me (whether it was here or in game) that the min for HW bounties was 96, but just feels like the rule (if it's a level min) should apply to both HW and Moonsedge areas (trust me, I would rather do bounties in the rift/scatter any day than Moonsedge, I am very bad there).

pliant hatch
#

I think HiWi has its own AG setup (which is why it's able to grant +10% additional exp, silver, and BP rewards), which may mean it lives on a separate framework and doesn't share whatever logic is allowing you to get Moonsedge tasks from the Icemule AG (which is on the base AG system)

hasty garnet
#

Ahh, didn't know about the additional rewards bit, makes sense. thanks as always for your answers ❤️

azure mantle
#

does song of noise prevent Wyrm from casting too? Asking for a friend

opal pine
#

I don't think the Wyrm casts anything? It's mostly maneuvers

azure mantle
#

sympathy
i usually just beat it to death but now im curious

abstract umbra
#

it would be worth running it just to stop all the adds from casting.

cyan lynx
calm flint
#

Magically heated by magic

#

There are tropical fish in there like clown fish and stuff (insane clown fish), it's crazy 😝

stuck blade
#

I tried fighting the wyrm again but it attacks so fast I could barely keep up with it. Spams stuff faster than me with SK506.

tiny aspen
#

wyrm > whales

azure mantle
#

rip

craggy flame
#

did you ever get the feeling it wasn't intended to be solo-able? 😄

sharp raptor
#

After a few weeks of trial and error. I'm fairly sure we've figured out a way to take the new wyrm down. I'm just going to have to create an alternate set of gear for wyrmhunting. Rocked a few pretty good, but my gear always ends up seting of its defensive barrier. Once that goes it, it's game over.
Will have to go sans all flares other than mindwrack, and that should do the trick. Also means negating reactive flares.
Wish there were a way to "turn off" reactive flares, then I could just focus on using my current gear.

livid temple
#

What's the benefit to killing the wyrm aside from bragging rights?

sharp raptor
# livid temple What's the benefit to killing the wyrm aside from bragging rights?

There isn't any currently. OOC we know it is going to be the gateway to the new charms/gems system, and there have been hints that it may be faction-based with the gigas of Eldurhaart in some way. For Myharl, it's an RP element of the character, but there is also the tandem effort of establishing what's most effective for folks when those updates roll out. There have been about four variants of the wyrms over the past couple years, each time the method of hunting them has had to shift. This newest iteration has proven to be the most difficult since it has a barrier that prevents almost all damage to it which gets triggered by almost any magical/elemental attack.

livid temple
#

I wish they would do something with the loot system in this game. It would be nice to get excited about drops and treasure, instead of just mindlessly grinding for more XP. You kill the most difficult creature in the game and you don't even get a reward for that (currently).

That's pretty cool how there have been different versions of the wyrm, each with their own nuances. It's a cool concept that seems unfinished. To your point, maybe the gems / charms will fix that.

sharp raptor
#

Yeah, absolutely. On that note, the warg packmother did relatively recently get a rare skin, which is really cool. I've been saving them up. Don't know what for yet, but I have several bundles so far.

azure mantle
earnest spire
#

I think it's kind of funny that with every iteration, the solution seems to inevitably end up being, "just do less." They're immune to XYZ already, and ABC causes temporary immunity/rage... so just don't do any of those things. Just... attack it. With a non-flaring weapon.

#

Then, the trick is to just not die.

sharp raptor
earnest spire
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The very, very first wyrms were super easy, but they weren't around long. All you had to do was leg them then take off their right hand. They'd just lay there and do nothing.

sharp raptor
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Oh, the wyrmlings? Yeah, those were easy, but they were only around for a week or two really. They were the azure-scaled ones, and the lore (based on the Hinterwilds painting) is that the blue ones are babies. Something between the undansormrs and the silver-scaled wyrms. (OOC, I assume those were to test the landing cycles).

earnest spire
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I actually found the previous version (to what we have now) to be super fun to fight. Granted, they didn't feel quite "end game boss," but it was fun to tangle with them and experiment with different tactics.

sharp raptor
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I agree, the last iteration felt more engaging. I don't know if that's because of the rush of slaying them, or if the experience was just more fun. I suspect a bit of both.

earnest spire
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I'm okay with the, "They aren't intended to be soloable" rhetoric. Doesn't mean we'll stop trying, though. Anything is possible with 80m XP, SK haste, and a can do attitude.

sharp raptor
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Yeah, I could care less if I can solo one. The times I did wasn't an attempt to do so, it was that no one else would hunt them with him at the time. 😄

earnest spire
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I think it's going to be fun when charms go live, and folks need to get that kill under their belt to proceed. It'll be the closest we've been to world peace levels of cooperation since Pokémon Go.

pliant hatch
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As long as the wyrm is updated so that all professions can hit it, sure

sharp raptor
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Once they get weak, that barrier starts to falter. I haven't been able to determine if that's an issue of driving their mana lower after a long battle, or a result of damage, but it may come down to a wave of squares wearing one down, and then casters coming it to clean it up.

earnest spire
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"There. They're perfect." "What did you change?" "No one can hit them..." "Then how do they-" "The answer rests behind the Moonsedge Study Door."

pliant hatch
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The last time I tried to attack a wyrm it was literally immune to UCS so lol

sharp raptor
earnest spire
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Yeah, man, the lore is so good.

sharp raptor
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Love that place so much. 😄

calm flint
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Everyone knows that the Wyrm exists to encourage us all to go fishing. When you see it in the air, that's when we're supposed to go fishing

fair comet
sharp raptor
# fair comet When I last attempted the wyrm, I thought it was just doing 1-second actions tha...

If you get a few hits on it before it tail swipes, it seems to shift its tactics to attacking. The best route I've found is to be berserking when you engage it, so that the RT is mitigated when it does hit you. When I can, I've been positioning myself to charge into the area while berserking to get off a volley of mstrike before it can take an action. One of the bigger issues I've run into is something (I'm assuming the gigas attacking it when there's no character in the location) sometimes seem to trigger it's barrier. So it kind of sucks to run in and cause zero damage.

fair comet
sharp raptor
# fair comet Does it ever return to tail swiping, or does that seem like a permanent shift of...

Oh, no, it returns to it, but if you're berserking the RT doesn't matter, you'll jump back up and keep your volley going. Then the only problem is an attack breaking the berserk, then it's game over. But if you pass into the room without attacking, it typically seems to default to just multiple tail swipes. Catching it flying might change that? But to do that you typically have to be in the area it dives to catch it before it goes aground.

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The trick to defeating it is really going to be DOT. It's about stacking that recursive damage. A direct assault whittling it down probably isn't feasible anymore. Not without some uber gear that's going to be way out of the budget of 99.9% of adventurers.

fair comet
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Marstreforn's comment above had me wondering if the wyrm, in it's current state, is actually working as intended. Maybe there's a group strategy we just haven't figured out yet. I'm skeptical of that though - the wyrm feels like it's in some temporary nearly-impossible state that might be refined with the release of charms. And, if the only viable strategy consists of berserking warriors immune to RT, I certainly hope it's temporary and that changes are on the horizon.

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If I recall, there was some prior discussion about rogues simply maintaining stealth. Though that sounds like a frustrating option. And it seems like ranger stealth is definitely insufficient

opal pine
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I have successfully discovered that the wyrm is capable of eating multiple gnomes in a single sitting

fair comet
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It has occurred to me that group-cast barkskin with 100 blessing lore ought to buy a 1-minute window for a group to get some damage in. (Though I suppose I'd need to review the SMR success margins. That 1 minute may not even be guaranteed.)

abstract umbra
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you need one person on feint duty with 506 or 1035 going. Then everyone else beats on it

fair comet
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Does the stagger from feint actually stick? Or can the wyrm break out of that?

abstract umbra
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is the RT refreshable?

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i always thought it was, though maybe not on a wyrm

fair comet
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Definitely yes - that's the definition of stagger. I'm acknowledging that the wyrm can certainly break out of effects like immobilize. Stagger may be in that category.

sharp raptor
hasty garnet
# 
Halfwhistle says, "I'm sorry Duffield, but I don't seem to have any tasks that are suitable for you.  Perhaps you might want to head to another town that provides a more challenging environment for you?"
>
Halfwhistle nods to you and says, "Looking for something to do, Duffield?  I've got just the thing for you.  If you want to know more, simply ask me about BOUNTIES."``` ok so I am now 96, which I think someone earlier said was the min needed for a HW bounty. But still not getting any - not at normal difficulty or even easiest. Just wondering if I can get some official answer on what the level req is here?
pliant hatch
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You have to ask about harder, until you’re -5 from the lowest level creature there I think. AG only assigns up to your level +5 at normal difficulty. You may also want to ask the IMT (or FWI) AG headmaster for ASC BOTH or ASC REQUIRE

hasty garnet
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Hmm alright. Also I realize now.. I see the critter levels on the map are not the same as the wiki (higher on the wiki). Maybe I am not in level range after all?

tribal quarry
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IIRC, you can't ask for Ascension bounties at all until cap. Others could add you, though.

Edit: ...that's referring to the Hinterwilds. You might be able to get Moonsedge or Hive bounties because the Icemule and Zul Adventurer's Guilds don't operate the same as the Cold River one.

hasty garnet
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Yeah I am getting those naturally through the IMT AG

hasty garnet
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You are not prepared to deal with bounties on Ascended creatures.``` this is patently false 😡
chilly valve
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I don't know, you were struggling with that packmother..... 😁

hasty garnet
chilly valve
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hehe, show him the alabaster warg skin and demand he reconsider

hasty garnet
# 
  CS: +438 - TD: +322 + CvA: -21 + d100: +90 - -5 == +190
  Warding failed!
  You feel a sudden inexplicable fear!
  You freeze, unable to control the wave of fear that swells within you!
  Roundtime: 30 sec.
The interruption causes your momentum to stop.
The magic of the fork-tongued wendigo's spell falters as it takes hold, its energies diminished.``` hello I am once again asking if this fear should have its max RT reduced to 20s for Kroderine Soul (yes I have bugged it 🙂 )
cyan lynx
hasty garnet
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Oh yes indeed, but gentle, consistent reminders in these threads have led to changes being made, so I am just gonna keep fightin the good fight 🙂

cyan lynx
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It's not unique to wendigo. I'll check though.

hasty garnet
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Also want to add that I believe multiple wendigo fears are additive RT.. not sure where that fits into every other mechanic, if fear is supposed to be a refresh or if it adds up, but just wanna throw it out there

stuck blade
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Need to add a bladder stat. You stack rt until your bladder is emptied from fear.

hasty garnet
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Bladder impaled what a mess

opal pine
# 
The gemcutter takes the everfrost shard, gives it a careful examination and and says, "I don't have that much spare silver, so I will have to give you a bank note for it."  He then hands you a Northwatch bond note for 20,991 silvers.

You ask the gemcutter if he would like to buy a pastel-hued wintersbite pearl.
The gemcutter takes the wintersbite pearl, gives it a careful examination and and says, "I don't have that much spare silver, so I will have to give you a bank note for it."  He then hands you a Northwatch bond note for 21,772 silvers.``` 😱
strong raft
sharp raptor
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Hahaha.... In the middle of fighting a wyrm:


Writhing, milky tentacles burst forth from the tortured spatial anomaly, grasping blindly through the areas they glisten with vile humors.
[SMR result: 211 (Open d100: 90, Bonus: 53)]
With an agonizing crunch, a cold tentacle wraps around your abdomen and constricts violently as it whips you back toward the void!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Attempt to snare hips shaken loose.
Though you fall free from the predatory limbs, the tumultuous energies of the spatial anomaly tear at you, warping your flesh!
   ... 12 points of damage!
   Your stomach muscles are ripped apart violently.
Roundtime: 13 sec.```
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Also, booooo!
You point your silver and gold noisemaker at a silver-scaled cold wyrm, which doesn't react with the noisemaker.

calm flint
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Ask the Wyrm to go fishing, that's how you unlock fishing

strong raft
sharp raptor
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So just a heads up, if you berserk in the Hinterwilds, we have a new guest up there who likes to hide and then attack when a berserk runs you into the room their hiding in chasing a creature. Let it pass this time, but if it keeps up, I'm going to have to do a warn interact to remain in policy.

craggy flame
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POLICY 4 states:
What is not acceptable is to initiate combat against unsuspecting victims, especially to prey upon weaker players for the singular enjoyment of the attacker.
If they are attacking players without any prior interaction and without any consent, then they are already breaking our Policy on conflict. Please REPORT the offender for this behavior, as it is already grossly against policy to do this, and then please ignore the situation so it may be addressed properly by a GameMaster. If you wish to use a WARN against them for your own concerns, feel free to do so. Thank you.

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If you have any further questions regarding this, please ASSIST and ask for a GameMaster to further clarify anything regarding Policy and conflicts between players.

opal pine
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I don't think he's attacking a player. Just poaching kills that said berserker is chasing

craggy flame
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Oh. That might be a different story entirely then.

opal pine
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That's how I read it anyway, could certainly be wrong. Does berserk chase into rooms occupied by non-hidden characters?

craggy flame
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I just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything against policy going on in regards to conflict.

sharp raptor
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Nah, they attacked Myharl when his berserk forced him (chasing a fleeing monster) into the room where they were hiding, and Myharl's berserk started attacking what they thought were "their kills". I broke the berserk as soon as mechanics would allow. I realize what they did is against policy. Next time I will report it - I just hate to be that guy. I don't mind some good PvP in-character, but attacking someone because you don't like the mechanics of the game is petty, entitled, and juvenile.... and against policy. When I explained what happened, their response was another threat. (shrugs)

strong raft
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They’re doing it wrong. They should stay hiding and go back into other rooms to vulture your kills.

sharp raptor
chilly valve
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Easy solution. Make berserk player unfriendly only in Hinterwilds. Watch the fun commence.

hasty garnet
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At least they're actively at their keyboard

sharp raptor
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I've never script hunted, attentive or afk. Just not my thing, but those who do aren't attacking my character. 😄 Puts folks in an awkward position. My instinct is to disarm, tackle, and mstrike until there's a corpse in response, but policy puts me at liability for self-defense, so... would just be cool if those players could not be jerks.

stoic venture
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I think it's a perfectly reasonable character response to attack someone who attacks you. And it's within policy.

hasty garnet
opal pine
sharp raptor
# opal pine Your first sentence strikes me as slightly ironic, because berserking IS the OG ...

Ha! I've made that same joke before since so much of it seems hands-off. Really though, it's a legitimate combat style, and one that Myharl's build is designed around. Strategy around it requires a warrior to plan ahead. Once committed to berserking, you're all in at full offensive for the next seven rounds at least. What/when/where I berserk, when I break a berserk, and what gear I'm using to augment it can be incredibly complex, especially post-cap with non-whale equipment. Aside from the RP persona of a berserker (which I love for Myharl), the balance of risk/reward in the field is one I really enjoy.

As far as the incident last night. I'm a nice guy (or at least try to be). We're all here to play a game and have fun. When a new name shows up in the neighborhood and starts breaking policy, I figure it's worth mentioning. The reason I didn't report last night is that I really don't have a desire to see anyone reprimanded. Would much rather everyone do their thing and have fun. I enjoy conflict between characters at times... never between players. Life's too short for that garbage.

hasty garnet
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  CS: +438 - TD: +328 + CvA: -21 + d100: +88 - -5 == +182
  Warding failed!
  You feel a sudden inexplicable fear!
  You freeze, unable to control the wave of fear that swells within you!
  Roundtime: 30 sec.
The magic of the fork-tongued wendigo's spell falters as it takes hold, its energies diminished.

R>stuff happens..
...wait 19 seconds.
R>
A savage fork-tongued wendigo crooks an oddly elongated finger at you!
  CS: +438 - TD: +328 + CvA: -21 + d100: +75 - -5 == +169
  Warding failed!
  You feel a sudden inexplicable fear!
  You freeze, unable to control the wave of fear that swells within you!
  Roundtime: 30 sec.
!IR>stuff happens
...wait 43 seconds.
!IR>``` time for my weekly reminder that wendigo fears are 30s, not 20s as suggested by Kroderine Soul (I won't even bother to complain about how it is additive)
cyan lynx
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The plot thickens!

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I looked into this and that messaging is for immobilization, not roundtime.

hasty garnet
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Ah can you clarify specifically what you mean? I was going by this from the wiki: Any hostile spell effects will have their duration capped at 20 seconds. which honestly is pretty vague.. I know we are not trying decipher the constitution or anything, but I interpreted roundtime as falling under "any hostile spell effect." If that's not the case, then okey doke, would you mind pointing me to what you're looking at (I assume some old release of KS post) and I will personally update the wiki myself to make it clear? 😄 thanks for looking into it

chilly valve
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maybe its stagger vs. immobilization which is non-stagger..... tough to tell

cyan lynx
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What I am saying is that the messaging you posted is from immobilization.

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There was a bug saying it was causing roundtime when it wasn't. So now I am curious what caused the RT.

ashen tapir
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Looks like this broke through my sigil cloak?

A withered shadow-cloaked draugr hangs back for a moment and concentrates intently on you, before unleashing an attack on the magical wards surrounding you!
** Branching filaments of power snap outward from your purple cloak in a lambent violet corona! **
[SMR result: 174 (Open d100: 142, Penalty: 20)]
A violet haze distorts the air around you, confounding a withered shadow-cloaked draugr's spell!
A withered shadow-cloaked draugr manages to cleave away a magical ward!
You notice your blood flow go back to normal.
The bright luminescence fades from around you.
The ethereal necrotic film covering a withered shadow-cloaked draugr's black alloy greatsword shrivels away.```
Nevermind!  the cloak sigil cloak made him take low level spells I guess?
hasty garnet
# cyan lynx There was a bug saying it was causing roundtime when it wasn't. So now I am curi...

Ahhhhh interesting -- for what it's worth, it looks like there are two fears going on? I'm not sure if each message is a separate fear mechanic. I am 99% sure I can KS dispel to remove it, which is also interesting (as usually I dont think fear works like that). Also there is the "the magic falters" which I dont quite understand, unless there is yet another bit occurring that KS is blocking

cyan lynx
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I am curious what gave you roundtime. Was it wargs?

hasty garnet
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That 30 second roundtime is a direct result of the wendigo fear hitting

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(wargs are fun in their own right, but I feel like its a different "flavor" of fear, as I have seen with some other enemies, the messaging for multiple hits is more like "oooh anotha one" aka "another wave of fear further fears you, fraidy cat") .. Im trying to test and theres like 12 wendigos out here, this is your doing I know it :p

hasty garnet
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A savage fork-tongued wendigo rasps out a dissonant, sing-song phrase.

>
A savage fork-tongued wendigo crooks an oddly elongated finger at you!
  CS: +438 - TD: +310 + CvA: -21 + d100: +71 - -5 == +183
  Warding failed!
  You feel a sudden inexplicable fear!
  You freeze, unable to control the wave of fear that swells within you!
  Roundtime: 30 sec.
The magic of the fork-tongued wendigo's spell falters as it takes hold, its energies diminished.
IR>spell act
You currently have the following active effects:
Spells:
  Armor Support ........................... 02:06:47
  Griffin's Voice ......................... Indefinite
Cooldowns:
  Multi-Strike ............................ 00:00:07
Buffs:
  Ensorcell ............................... 00:00:10
  Enh. Health (+16) ....................... 00:00:13
  Enh. Stamina (+16) ...................... 00:00:13
  Enh. Strength (+20) ..................... 00:00:13
  Frostling Ward .......................... 00:09:50
Debuffs:
  Empathy ................................. 00:00:20``` so this is interesting -- it looks like theyre casting empathy (1108)
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and while the debuff says 20seconds, clearly we can see a 30s roundtime

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(so yeah I see what youre saying the immobilization is capped at 20s, but what is the roundtime.. this roundtime comes along with this empathy cast.. to me it is immobilization + roundtime)

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A niveous giant warg sits back on its haunches and unleashes a long, high-pitched howl that sends a shiver of primal terror down your spine.
[SSR result: 170 (Open d100: 87)]
Roundtime: 10 sec.
Your heart quavers in your chest and you find yourself unable to focus on defending yourself!

Debuffs:
  No debuffs found.
R>

A niveous giant warg sits back on its haunches and unleashes a long, high-pitched howl that sends a shiver of primal terror down your spine.
[SSR result: 122 (Open d100: 39)]
Roundtime: 4 sec.
You fall further into the clutches of primal terror, insensate with the sound of the warg's cries!

A niveous giant warg sits back on its haunches and unleashes a long, high-pitched howl that sends a shiver of primal terror down your spine.
[SSR result: 165 (Open d100: 82)]
Roundtime: 10 sec.
You fall further into the clutches of primal terror, insensate with the sound of the warg's cries!``` So compared to the warg fear (which doesnt pop up as a debuff), SSR vs a TD spell, and it looks like the RT is capped at 10.  Though seems like "primal terror" is its own thing. As I get a message a bit later about it wearing off