#can any1 experienced explain how "calling a hawk in combat" works?

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stiff narwhal
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Sentinels is the worst of the eagles lores but still better than carpentry, erudition and trading caravan 🙂

grizzled blaze
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it takes 60 sec to collect resources, which makes it 15 food/minute while your villager collects 24

stiff narwhal
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That's just half of the effect. It also automatically triggers blood eagle in any zone as long as you have your warchief.

grizzled blaze
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falconers stop scouting the tile when enemy enters it, dont they?

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so do they just give 1 blood eagle proc?

stiff narwhal
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Read the last sentence of the lore.

grizzled blaze
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okay, thank you a lot, I hope someone comes here and explain it without telling me to read it once again

dull patrol
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you can select a falconer, and they will have an ability that lets you assign a scout to a tile, in this tile, over time, the falconer will produce a loot pouch based on the resources on that tile

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so if you assign that falconer to a tile with double food, u get a pouch with 30 food

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as to them stopping when an enemy walks in...i dont remember if they stop or if they keep going

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be advised, this ability sucks balls, people take this lore for literally the last sentence effect

grizzled blaze
wind sky
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if I remember well the speed depends on the scout camp upgrades, and it would stack at least it was like that in beta

grizzled blaze
wind sky
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sucks then

grizzled blaze
grizzled blaze
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yeah I just can't find any good usage to that tech but scouting double resource tile...

wind sky
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tbf it was insanely strong before

grizzled blaze
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I decided to give it a try after I got destroyed multiple times by Eagle in FFA, playing Lion...They just came to me in mid 801 and I didnt even have a monastery to heal my poor Hildegard xD

thorn phoenix
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Falconers used to give like a 20 or 15% buff in production to a zone

stiff narwhal
thorn phoenix
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I completely forgot about the attack bonus but yeah, that was busted

grizzled blaze
dusky mason
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What i discovered recently is that owl can be a clear clan while having an eagle on his team. Eagle can go early support route with scouts beeing able to scout ally zones for the owl to generate food and wood very efficiently since all of the owls tiles will automaticly have wood and food on them so 15 Wood 15-30 food, somtimes its a double food tile therefore you generate 30 food instead of 15 for the owl. If you have 3 scouts or 4 active on his tile he will get 60 wood and up to 120 food every 30s

stiff narwhal
dusky mason
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since he does the clearing the eagle can focus on eco

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which means the scouts he sends to the tiles to get free resources are basicly the resources for clearing

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i never tested that playstyle since you realy have to be premade with the owl

grizzled blaze
dusky mason
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still good enough

grizzled blaze
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not really, you have to 1) feed them yourself 2) loot caches with them

also, Owl doesn't have wood as a resource

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and it is obvious that every eco clan can do better with eco, not clearing, since Eagle role in the match is to clear the way and control enemy movement on the map + kill neutrals so they don't harass

while he is doing that, owl is building 26 convert 🙂

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I tried that scouting tiles for myself, and it worked good only with double resource tile (like double lore/food)

in any other cases I haven't found this lore effective at all, I still don't know what it does besides scanning a tile

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as someone above said, "it calls a hawk in combat, allowing using blood eagle.."

but scanning a tile stops if enemy enters it and falconer just goes away to do his things

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imo Eagle lore should be a little more eco oriented (like Lynx gets 2 free food resources almost instantly + free archer later)

and rng cache resources can make your life shit, if you want to go 10+ convert 801 winter, but you just don't have enough stone/wood to build/upgrade, kekw

also Eagle gets shitty 200 fame bonus, not mentioning 500 fame bonus works good only in a duel...

dusky mason
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Eagle shitty fame bonus? are we playing the same clan?

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One of the most broken offensive fame bonuses you can get

grizzled blaze
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if you mean upgrading a tile for food - yes, but it is the only good working bonus

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-30% food/wood consumption is what? +4 food +2 wood for 8 ppl?

dusky mason
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I think you are currently try to understand what is said but in a wrong way

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What is said is that you can play eagle as an eco clan while owl clears, due to the fact that you can send your scouts to your teammates and generate resources for them

grizzled blaze
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but how it will speed up your eco when you get resources for clearing, and he doesn't?

dusky mason
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If you are trying to clear yourself ofc that wont work since you roll swapped from a clear clan to a support clan

grizzled blaze
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will you mine iron for wc in this way? or still hire 2 axes and then deconvert them?

dusky mason
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Because iam able to go fully eco, i dont need to clear and i can just send my scouts to his tile to boost his eco so i can freely clear

dusky mason
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With this method you also want to upgrade all 3 of your Scouts

grizzled blaze
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yeah you need 10 + 15 stone for that

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so will you mine it?

dusky mason
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no you close dens

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that have been cleared

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And take caches ofc

grizzled blaze
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what stops you from getting wc and clearing the map yourself?

grizzled blaze
dusky mason
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You can get WC and help clearing since it doesnt influence your eco in any way

dusky mason
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3-4 are occupied supporting your team

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the other 2 will be to egoistic use

grizzled blaze
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imagine taking 8 people out of your eco...

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how would you build it

dusky mason
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I mean it very much works as eagle as a clear

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why wouldnt it work as a eco eagle

grizzled blaze
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are you running 6 scouts as eagle?

dusky mason
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If the map requires it yes

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Gotta adapt to the map and the match

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gotta sacrifice eco to have map pressure etc

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like closing enemy dens etc

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Thats the thing though, normal clear eagle doesnt even build a food building

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any eagle that builds a food building is hard griefing

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Even building a wood lodge in some games could be considered griefing

grizzled blaze
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are you talking about 3v3 as a pre with your own team?

dusky mason
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No as a solo in 3c3

grizzled blaze
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so, okay, got it

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but lets come back to the topic

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what does the lore tech do?

dusky mason
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It sends your scout on a specific tile, it scans that tile for some seconds and then you get free resources that come naturely from that tile.

grizzled blaze
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and else?

dusky mason
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The speed of the tile beeing scanned scales with upgraded scout camps and upgraded scouts from the smith

grizzled blaze
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it takes 60 seconds with forged/upgraded scouts, no point of sending them to single reso tile

stiff narwhal
dusky mason
stiff narwhal
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Not with 10-15 convert in 802.

dusky mason
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But a support eagle has scouts camp upgraded 3 times + forged scouts

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Which massively decreases that time

grizzled blaze
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it doesnt

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jesus, ive tested it with a timer in my hands xD

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and also the speed of new caches arriving depenging on number of scouts

dusky mason
grizzled blaze
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ah okay nvm, im leaving this topic

dusky mason
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I have absolutely no issue with converting specialy so late.

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I never build a food building since the wood is just a waste

stiff narwhal
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I find the idea interesting just don't see the benefit. If eagle does this too early you are delaying training field which is very important to get asap. If you don't delay it you get sentinels as 5th or 6th lore. Owl just doesn't get anything from clearing so I don't understand why he should do it.

You could also do eagle clearing, someone else scouts, while eagle boosts owl, but then again...owl will convert 14-20 in 802 with or without boosts...

dusky mason
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You dont even go into the middle tree, you are a support eagle

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maybe weapon smith but thats it

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You cant combine both playstyles

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Either you are a ''meta'' clear eagle or a support eco eagle

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and from my expierence even though eagle doesnt realy want to be the one scouting it will eventuely be the eagle who scouts

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due to the fact that you will upgrade your scouts no matter what anyway

stiff narwhal
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You forge and upgrade your scouts. If eagle doesn't want to scout, what other clans are "scouting" clans

dusky mason
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Nah i dont usualy forge my scouts, just upgrade the scout camps

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Eagle is legit the worst clan for scouting

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cause he has so many objectives on the map he has to take

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My best expierence yet was in a team with a lynx

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Since he took care of the deep scouting

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snake harassed them

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and i was able to take the enemy side completly clearwise

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We took control of their side of the map before they even could clear it properly

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Which made their wolf absolutely useless

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Since if you have 3 active enemys on the map contesting you, you are borderline fucked

stiff narwhal
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Yes 3 aggressive clans is very strong, but eagle is kinda the enabler for these comps because the clan can scout...

dusky mason
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Hell na

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Eagle is the worst clan for scouting

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Why would you as a clan that is busy with objectives on the map that occupy your scouts be good at scouting

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makes absolutely 0 sense

stiff narwhal
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Because you have 4 scouts minimum so you can do both?

dusky mason
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These 4 scouts will be busy taking objectives

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usualy

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active scouting rquires 4-6 scouts

stiff narwhal
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I think we can agree to disagree.😅

dull patrol
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Ive tried this support eagle thing with going sentinel first, sucks balls

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You need to micro ur scouts, 2 on objectives, 2 on spawner duty, when no spawners then scout

dull patrol
stiff narwhal
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Did you know raven has an ability to instantly see whole map with chief? So basically worst clan for scouting or?

dull patrol
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:3

stiff narwhal
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So below lion and wolf? 😱

dull patrol