calamity-update-talk

[lean relic]

Shroomable

[steel pike]

the honse

horst

harce

you get what i mean.

[dusty tinsel]

You are tripping that never happened

[solemn crest]

What hotse

[steel pike]

grrr…

[solemn crest]

grrr!!!

[steel pike]

maybe that kanye concert last night tripped up my memory

[dusty tinsel]

It did

Why would honse be here

Calamity has nothing to do with horses

[plain reef]

dude why is every whip complete dogshit until you get kaleidoscope

[solar hare]

wtf is a horse

[plain reef]

wait

wrong channel

yo...

[dull heart]

They aren't

[fathom girder]

They're a thing that you can eat

Generally

[deft lily]

[rare tinsel]

dreadful little creatures

[azure peak]

¿Has the sunken sea update come out yet?

[hasty tangle]

nope

[thorn pier]

in 3 days

[solar hare]

refer to pins

[hasty tangle]

its on hiatus

[solar hare]

not the first one

[hasty tangle]

the pins should probably be reshuffled now that april fools is over

[solar hare]

Yea

[lean relic]

Amidias is on vacation right now

[solar hare]

@hushed hazelheyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[lean relic]

with doing silly face

[lapis oak]

wtf?

??????

[hushed hazel]

hold on one sec

[dull heart]

hi

[lean relic]

evil moderator

[solar hare]

what are you talking about

[dull heart]

it's me

doze

[solar hare]

hi doneze

[solemn crest]

hi doze

[lean relic]

kiri horse is over
remove that thing in your name

[dull heart]

horse? what's that?

[solar hare]

oh i can unpin things apparently

i unpinned it sorry leon

[hushed hazel]

you have committed no sin it's all good

[solar hare]

yay

[hushed hazel]

:D

[deft lily]

calamity mod

[lapis oak]

1984

[solar hare]

is that when you were born

[high scaffold]

I did it again

Levi post mechs

I wonder if I could do this even earlier

[dusk bronze]

preboss

[distant raft]

im sure lava shark is good enough

[high scaffold]

An hour long bossfight? Thanks no

[solemn crest]

Clearly, you don’t

Uhh

[distant raft]

i did preboss inf empress and she only took half an hour

leviana only has more health on death

[high scaffold]

"only"

[solar hare]

30 minute boss fights are norhing

[distant raft]

well it was 30 minutes igt

92 rta

[solemn crest]

Longest boss fight I’ve had was like 1.5 hours

[distant raft]

i took a break partway through and was on my old laptop

[cinder mural]

That's what it took me to kill one of the bosses in the story of red cloud

[solar hare]

my longest completed boss fight was 2.5 hours

[solemn crest]

Now longest single string of attempts on a single boss?

11.7 hours

[high scaffold]

I want to get my hands on leviatitan but rng havent been on my side so far

[solar hare]

when i tried mutant with minishark I died 4 hours in

[hasty tangle]

those streams were entertaining

(or was it just 1 stream?)

[solar hare]

exos was 1, scal was 1, dog was 1 and mutant had 2 attempts

I didnt stream the others because they were free

dog was 2 actually i beat it on the second attempt

[distant raft]

im guessing mutant was done outside of dlc

[solar hare]

they were pretty fun I agree, unfortunately I dont have what it takes to do that anymore

[solar hare]

that was in like 2022, dlc didnt exist

[distant raft]

ah

i only ask because pre-cal 2.1 dlc mutant weaponless would genuinely be free thanks to calamity cursor

[solar hare]

well the challenge is damage only dealt by minishark

[distant raft]

ah

[solar hare]

no additional sources of damage

I got several comments from people asking "why not use a stronger weapon i think there are better choices than minishark"

[hasty tangle]

yeah, like the musket

[distant raft]

yeah like flintlock pistol

[solar hare]

yep

[distant raft]

actually i dont think thats better than minishark in souls thanks to ebonwood

[opaque plume]

wotm is fun but also like why are people saying this is easy 😭

[distant raft]

because i have experience with it

its free if you pick the right weapons

[solar hare]

it's less about what's better and more about minishark

[opaque plume]

orderbringer is good for it i think but also too much visual clutter

maybe i should use a different weapon

[distant raft]

eh i'd say theyre pretty easy to dodge as long as you know what attack theyre doing

the only kinda hard thing to see is hades mines

[opaque plume]

i just need to learn the attacks

[solar hare]

those fights are not even special anymore because catt did scal with copper shortsword and theres the one Chinese dude who did masochist mutant with wooden bow

[opaque plume]

the thing i struggle with is that the worm(is it thanatos or hades i dont remember) doesnt do contact damage a lot of the time but i think it does so it messes up my dodging

[high scaffold]

I guess masochist mod was named after him

[solar hare]

its thanatos in calamity and hades in Lucille mod idk whatbits called

[opaque plume]

i think i will get a lot further now that ive found out selecting ares is the best option

i was selected twins before

the ares purple laser attack with hades in the second phase of that is weird

mecha mayhem is actually like way less intense than it looks tbh now that ive learnt it a little

i could do scal first but rn scal is more climactic so i want to do her last

[high scaffold]

Imagine calamity on the 1.4.5 tmod

Maybe even 1.4.5.7

[rare tinsel]

did you gaslight them into thinking it’s best

[vocal kelp]

its real

[solemn crest]

1.4.6.7 confirmed?

I hope relogic adds me to terraria

[blazing field]

i hope relogic adds

[high scaffold]

I hope relogic

I hope
I relogic
relogic

[vocal dew]

I never got to ask , wtf is this supposed to be...?

[amber egret]

that is old prov sprite

[vocal dew]

Yes but like what's it supposed to resemble...?

[high scaffold]

Providence, obv

[hollow harness]

Providence from 2018

[amber egret]

top part is some sigils, back is wings, middle is some rings, below is more rocks

[vocal dew]

Ah...

[amber egret]

and i think fabsol managed to put in some thighs. because of course they did

[hollow harness]

I don't remember if it was Fabsol or Ziggums who made this sprite considering the time context

[sand dome]

it was ziggums

[hollow harness]

I see

[amber egret]

oh well then my disdain is halfways

[hollow harness]

Fabsol could never do a sprite like that because he would only slightly modify vanilla sprites and call it a day

[amber egret]

im not sure if you're Truth Nuke or False Orb

mainly because i havent seen very many fabsprites

[hollow harness]

It's like the EoC master mode minions

[vocal kelp]

None of thst looks like thighs at all snd fabsol stopped making sprites like 3 seconds into the mods development

i think it's pretty funny to be confused by that design thoug. If anything it's a bit easier to read than current, and both are basically the same idea

[arctic cliff]

iirc providence was originally blatantly a giant volcarona

and im like

[vocal kelp]

yeah

[arctic cliff]

im iircing here because its so absurd

[vocal kelp]

That sprite never got used ingame though

[arctic cliff]

that makes sense

but then again just recall the insane extremely old idea of what fab intended yharim to be like all the way back in 2017

[solemn crest]

Tbf I think that’s back when providence was a god and not a goddess so…

[vocal kelp]

Few people know this but there used to be an old idea for provi lore that was that her body looks like that cuz she was possessing a statue of xeroc which is why calval had/has an inexplicable bossrush vanity thing that looks like current provs head

[arctic cliff]

that

[vocal kelp]

She was always referred to with she/her iirc the title just didn't for no real reason

[arctic cliff]

somehow does not sound cringe in the slightest

[solemn crest]

It was also an idea where Yharim flew in riding DoG and beat her to death… for some reason

[arctic cliff]

like that sounds really cool, the idea of a statue of xeroc being possessed

knowing the Pristine Fury's lore description, you could easily retool that idea into "Providence possesesd a statue of Zeratros and made a mockery of it in order to send a message"

[torn fog]

why does my grape beer not work now w infernum

[vocal kelp]

purity disables its effect

[torn fog]

are we

deadass

anti fun update bro

[amber egret]

WHAAAATT

[arctic cliff]

well jeez

[amber egret]

WHY DOES IT DO THAT

[vocal kelp]

idk talk to them about it

[arctic cliff]

i actually have no idea why

[amber egret]

WHAAAAAAAAATTTTTTT

[high scaffold]

"Oh no, I cant use my braindead skill issue item, what will I do"

[arctic cliff]

wh

huh

[amber egret]

Purity perfectly synergizes with Grape Beer!!!!

whats the point of that!!!!!!!

[torn fog]

?? not aloud to enjoy a game rather then yk not having fun

cheers

https://giphy.com/gifs/ass-low-bum-CcwUjneOLuYC05cSWi

[vocal kelp]

i guess its because they want you to aim

because its like

[high scaffold]

Having fun in games is illegal didnt you know

[amber egret]

i am on both sides of this argument

i love QoL but also a bit much is a bit much

[torn fog]

holy shti i forgot calamity discord is full of virgins

[amber egret]

Grape Beer is neither

[vocal kelp]

like summons dont benefit from it for a reason

[amber egret]

it is a DPS down but also a skill req down

[vocal kelp]

but thats for you to fight out with them

[high scaffold]

I would be alright with grape beer if it homing wasnt so unreasonably strong

[arctic cliff]

okay but like i genuinely don't know why Purity HAS to also disable sometihng else

[amber egret]

it disables your crits

thats teh whole point

[arctic cliff]

yea i get it its busted

OH

[amber egret]

"yeah man purity just bricks your game if you have any other accs"

like this is an item that boosts your damage and lowers your crits + an item that makes your damage more consistant + an item that lowers your crits

[tropic jolt]

its like some sort of... purity

[amber egret]

like atp just rework it to be a statblock that scales with your number of empty acc slots

bury it atp

[young notch]

🤨

[solemn crest]

Purity makes you do more damage the more pure your soul is

It metaphysically scans you

[vocal kelp]

thats how it works yes

the problem is that the people that use it arent pure of soul

so nobodys figures this out

[white aurora]

turn it into egocentrism and it just turns all of your accs into itself

[solemn crest]

And that is why they say it’s bad

[distant raft]

combining 1.96x damage but no crits and absurd homing but no crit damage was absurdly broken and im surprised it wasnt nerfed week 1

[amber egret]

okay so an item that doubles your damage and makes your shots always home

[distant raft]

yeah thats what it was

[amber egret]

why do they have to make it not work is my problem

you could nerf it majorly but you dont gotta rip it apart

[solemn crest]

I mean…

Did you see what Infernum Ranger was doing?

Not defending the change but yeah that couldn’t stay

[amber egret]

i dont remember exactly

[solemn crest]

Absolutely absurd kill times

Without any skill required

IMO Ranger has no real low points

[amber egret]

it is the most consistantly Good class in the game yeah

[solemn crest]

Post-Yharon it falls slightly but not by much

[vocal kelp]

ranger has a real low point and its that its boring

[solemn crest]

I like the concept of Ranger but all Ranger weapons are just left click simulator

[amber egret]

Melee is bad early but locks in later, Mage, Summoner is kinda bad up until post moonlord and id say post plant, and Rogue

[solemn crest]

Like I love using bows and big guns but it could be executed better

Bc bows and guns feel the same

[vocal kelp]

im gonna do inf summoner i sure hope i dont meet the nefarious balance

[solemn crest]

-# which is why I plan to rework bows

[solemn crest]

It’s a summoner build, you’re gonna have ridiculous damage

[vocal kelp]

thats good

[solemn crest]

You think Yharim hates summoners? I mean, he does disapprove of enslaving lesser creatures

[vocal dew]

They have fucking yharon so absolutely not lol...

[solemn crest]

Yharon is like his best bud tho

That’s a little different

[thorn pier]

not like u cant do that with daawnlight

[solemn crest]

But daawnlight you have to aim

Unless grape beer just autotargets the crits

[thorn pier]

grape beer with daawnlight is better lol

[dusk bronze]

yharon is a person with autonomy

[polar tide]

depends on what the in universe explanation for summoners/summon weapons is

[brittle escarp]

I assumed it was magical constructs

Fully non sentient

Like the brothers

[polar tide]

if it's a living creature that had a life before you subjugated it to fight for you then i imagine he would not like that but if the creature is created upon using the weapon then he wouldn't give a shit

[deft lily]

summoner players aren't real last i checked /j

[blazing field]

I headcanon most summons are just mana constructs

Some might be machines that you specifically built to serve you (ex; arsenal stuff, wulfrum droid) tho

I like to think they're kinda like dnd familiars in that they're magic constructs butttt they do still have sentience

[halcyon seal]

I don’t really see it as enslaving considering the summons willingly fight for you as far as I can tell

[earnest jewel]

Yharim considers using children as summons ok, so he probably doesn't mind.

[halcyon seal]

You’re not whipping them, you’re whipping the enemy, you aren’t asking them to attack they just do that

[blazing field]

I mean Yhar - hi mr beast

[rotund venture]

the nefarious 1.4.5

[blazing field]

anyways now that mr breast is gone

as i was saying

Yharim did literally have a necromancer

as one of his strongest assets, so

[versed heart]

? wdym
I mean sure the Pals are very likely physical entities, but they said most for a reason

[blazing field]

the pals arent real

theyre not real

i dont like palworld theyre not real

[rotund venture]

summons do not take mana in 1.4.5 is what I meant

[blazing field]

they can still be mana constructs

alot of magic shit can still be explained with mana even if it dosent use mana bcuz its magic

Could say its just a negligible amount of mana

[deft lily]

on the topic on summoner discussion
what even was the reason calamity hasn't added a single whip since summoners first got them

[blazing field]

Or otherwise it's built into the item itself

[blazing field]

Summoner too op

[earnest jewel]

Balance.

[blazing field]

They'll add it eventually

But they have to rebalane summoner

[deft lily]

i see

[rotund venture]

I extremely dislike that but youre free to headcanon as you want

[blazing field]

See in vanilla summoner is fine but uh

Cal had some buffs to summoner before vanilla made it good yada yada

[blazing field]

Which part of it specifically?

Because i mean how else would you explain magic shit without mana

That's kinda just fundamental isn't it

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-kitten-trying-to-get-up-struggle-gif-23584320

[deft lily]

i ask bc ppl bitch abt it like calamity just hates summoner players for some reason

[solemn crest]

How does Yharim feel about heart of the elements? You did quite literally beat them into submission

[blazing field]

heart of the elements isnt real

[solemn crest]

Shit wrong channel

[blazing field]

its not real

[polar tide]

the heart of the elements isnt real

[blazing field]

i refuse to acnowledge it as real

it is not real.

[earnest jewel]

He doesn't like the Elementals, so I doubt he'd care if it was real.

[blazing field]

see

[polar tide]

it isnt real

[deft lily]

im not real

[blazing field]

heart of the elementals will only be real when instead of the 7 gooner souls it instead gives you a big obelisk

[rose laurel]

Wah

[polar tide]

yharim doesnt feel any particular way about elementals he doesnt like silva specifically because shes a god

[blazing field]

He doses seem to have a particular distaste for elementals though

[rose laurel]

It's more his army

[versed heart]

Heart of the Elements in official Cal lore is just as real as Fanny in official Cal

[blazing field]

Given all of his experiences with them have kinda sucked

Not a,

deep-rooted hatred like for gods, but

[lyric trellis]

I fear it doesn’t hate them enough

[blazing field]

Brimstone Elemental destroyed his base of operation and strongest ally (azafure)
Anahita is kind of just an asshole

Silva i don't think i need to explain

[earnest jewel]

'Elementals such as her pose a grave threat to all those around them. Other Elementals are no exception.'
He considers them dangerous, rightfully so.

[deft lily]

elaborate

[still bluff]

i personally hate summoner players and will be pushing my views into calamity

[deft lily]

0/10 ragebait

[blazing field]

So it's less of like

[still bluff]

100% serious

[blazing field]

"I hate all elementals and they should all die" like he is with gods to me and more like

[polar tide]

yharim having just a distaste for a certain group of people also isnt enough to make him straight up think its okay to enslave them either

[deft lily]

why? lmao

[blazing field]

(Elemental does something fucked) "Yeah of course they did that thats all they fucking do"

[arctic cliff]

elementals are kinda weird

[blazing field]

thats true

theyre in a very weird spot

hopefully will be better solidifed and explained later tho

[rose laurel]

Elementals are cool :3

[arctic cliff]

they're out of focus in this setting largely revolving around souls of unusual power, yet they still have huge influence in the form of silva being silva and brimmy's power being siphoned somehow by calamitas and granting her the power to do the insane stuff she pulls off

[earnest jewel]

Counterpoint: Brimstone Elemental.

[rose laurel]

True...........

[blazing field]

Anahita is cool

[arctic cliff]

this. is probably because fabsol just saw them as vehicles for his fetishes considering that all of the calamity elementals (except for that fake fucker who still is called the earth elemental despite being established for years to not even be one) are... yknow

[blazing field]

Best elemental design in my humble opinion

[deft lily]

idrc for the elementals tbh

[blazing field]

I mean no not really

[deft lily]

theyre kind of bland atm

[blazing field]

Fabsol had absolutely nothing to do with the writing of the mod lol

[lyric trellis]

Cause Spikecrag and Necrosteocytes exist

[arctic cliff]

fabsol iirc did have an influence... by making the stuff that the lore writers had to explain

[blazing field]

Yeah but i don't think that really affects anything in this context

[deft lily]

i see

[arctic cliff]

like if the elementals werent such a focus in calamity i sincerely doubt they'd be that important in whatever the lore would've become post-22

[deft lily]

hopefully they will b more fleshed out in the future, in general

[arctic cliff]

but anyhow

elementals

[rose laurel]

They aren't vewwy important tho

It's just Silva and Brimmy by proxy

[arctic cliff]

vewwy imporant? how about you become vewwy gween

[earnest jewel]

Give Air Elemental a miniscule amount of lore.

[rose laurel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[vagrant wind]

green and needly

[arctic cliff]

add the green stinky elemental

[deft lily]

i think there should be a shimmer elemental trust

[earnest jewel]

You say that, but that's already an addon.

[blazing field]

Elementals are kind of lackluster rn narratively in that there is not much info on them and they do feel a bit like a black sheep in the worldbuilding with the focus on things like domains, world soul, etc
We don't really know much about how they work or what relevance they have to the world at large, Brimmy and Silva get some importance individually as characters but the concept of Elementals as a whole from a worldbuilding perspective is still fairly confusing and not elaborated on much id say

[polar tide]

i dont hate the elementals conceptually but i detest their current implementation into the game

[blazing field]

I mean to be fair i think you could say that for most things

😭

[still bluff]

"fight my goonbait women" - Fabsol 2016

[deft lily]

i hate calamity mod

grrrr

[blazing field]

thats true

Anahita stands out as despite being a woman she's actually pretty well designed and sensible and not just

blatant goonbait

[polar tide]

Yes but most things in calamity are not horny waifubait goonslop

[arctic cliff]

anahita has come a longggg way design wise from her early days

[blazing field]

And on the opposite end of the spectrum is

Brimmy

Single worst design in the entire mod btw

don't @ me

[still bluff]

instantly improved 500x by giving her a spoon

[rotund venture]

I'd find it very weird if we get sky civilization lore and then they have nothing to do with air elemental in any way

[still bluff]

becomes actually good by entirely redesigning her

[dry whale]

fluffy ccan you delete brimmy from the game

thank you

[blazing field]

Mostly just wondering how the hell you explain the Elementals's existence and how they factor in things tbh

Like

[earnest jewel]

They're constantly in a Plants Vs. Zombies style turf war with her.

[blazing field]

We know there's a world soul, it shattered, and the fragments of it became the dragon's domains

The elementals as a concept feel like, as primal forces of nature

Should be relevnat to this somehow

But we don't really know how

They're directly tied to their element even more than dragons/gods are to their domains

[deft lily]

yyyyyeah im not a fan of brimstone elemental at all

[blazing field]

Given they directly get power from it and are only able to be kille dwhen that element is entirely gone from terraria

[deft lily]

in its current state

[arctic cliff]

okay what if we took out elementals as a concept

and you'd have to redesign them and their lore to not be elementals

what do you do

[earnest jewel]

Silva the normal woman.

[deft lily]

god forbid fabsol sees a woman in public
assuming he ever goes outside anyway

[earnest jewel]

She just really likes snorkeling.

[polar tide]

i don't really have a leg to stand on here because i'm not into women but the elementals aren't even attractive they just fucking have boobs but that's enough to make certain people who play this game go AWOOOOOOOGA! HUMMINA HUMMINA HUMMINA!!!!!!

[blazing field]

idk man thats like what if yharon wasnt a dragon what if skeletron wasnt a skeleton

[rotund venture]

in general as things stand now I am into calamity lore but I am very hesitant to actually analyze it with any sort of critical eye given it is bery incomplete

[blazing field]

thats just not the same thing anymore even conceptually

[blazing field]

im into women and i can say that brimstone elemental is not attractive in the slightest

[polar tide]

OK THANK YOU

[thorny fjord]

I think some like cloudy are cool and there are things to be attrcated to, but brimmy is kinda just red.

[blazing field]

beyond her being pixels

[deft lily]

^

[blazing field]

she is literally

a bland silhouette of a woman

with big boobs and fat thighs

there is

no character traits

this isnt a design

[arctic cliff]

im mostly saying this to see if my assumption that calamity lore could function mostly fine if you took elementals out of it would make sense

[blazing field]

there's Nothing here

[arctic cliff]

hang on

[blazing field]

It would because elementals arent majorly important

[arctic cliff]

lemme pull from r/coaxedintosnafu

[blazing field]

You could remove most things and calmaity would still be calmaity

[polar tide]

"heart of the waifus" Your waifus fucking suck

your waifus are shit and you should feel bad

[blazing field]

I remember something about turning the earth elemental into a ominous obelisk

i hope that becomes real

i really want my obelisk

[rose laurel]

That's tru for a lot of shtuff tho

[rose laurel]

And it's not a real argument for removing shtuff imo

[blazing field]

Yeah this is brimstone elemental

[deft lily]

lmao

[polar tide]

help

[rose laurel]

Specially when they're really easy to work with

[still bluff]

this is such a good image

[blazing field]

It's pointless to wonder about imo

[vivid hemlock]

we need to bring back horse elemental

[blazing field]

"You could remove this and calamity would be basically the same" you can say taht for most things

[polar tide]

fabsol voice: don't forget she has H cup boobs

[arctic cliff]

okay ngl

[deft lily]

i think calamity should be deleted
why? because i said so

[arctic cliff]

i didnt come to this point to ask for elementals to be removed

[blazing field]

It's much more practical to wonder what things realistically would be more of a detriment to keep than to remove

[arctic cliff]

i think i wanted to just say that elementals should get touched upon a lil more

[blazing field]

I agree

I think most ppl do

[deft lily]

yeah

[blazing field]

They don't really have much right now

[deft lily]

unless you're a fucking gooner of course

[arctic cliff]

and i do think they alr have the basis to do so

[blazing field]

And that's just in lore in terms of gameplay and design

we dont. we dont talk about that

[rose laurel]

They work well as just forces of nature without a clear explanation for that have existed before everything else

They're there and they do their shtuff

[arctic cliff]

cloud elemental's lore of her actually being a small part of a larger elemental is cool

[earnest jewel]

That's most of the Elementals.

[arctic cliff]

yeah but thats the part that i remember more than anything

i want more on that

[rose laurel]

Reb: It's two of them

Wah

Forgor,,,,,

[polar tide]

i thinkg elementals should be largely redesigned to be more abstract but still be girls. as in they dont look like human women but the weird creatures are still girls

[arctic cliff]

make the rare sand elemental enemy real

make elemental variants

[earnest jewel]

Make Legendary Sand Elemental and they're Big Boss.

[arctic cliff]

that might be funny as hell

[lyric trellis]

Rare Elemental Variants

[blazing field]

I just kinda wish they were more diverse in general designwise

Like

[deft lily]

make shimmer elemental

[rose laurel]

Ranking Elementals from least split to most split

[arctic cliff]

its so funny that both cloud elemental resprite designs, the pre-fabsolution one and the new one, are both good in their own way

[rose laurel]

1 - Silva
2 - Brimmy
3 - Anahita
4 - Cloud
5 - Earth

[earnest jewel]

Earth and Cloud most, Anahita and Brimstone less, Silva least.

[arctic cliff]

earth isnt even REAL

HES A MECH

[earnest jewel]

The real Earth Elemental.

[arctic cliff]

AZAFURE MADE A FAKE ELEMENTAL

WHY IS HE THERE

[dusty tinsel]

Earth is sand

[arctic cliff]

WHY IS HE STILL... CALLED EARTH ELEMENTAL...

GJAKEDGRE

[dusty tinsel]

Sand elemental is the real earth elemental

[polar tide]

this is a girl

[rose laurel]

"Real"

[thorny fjord]

earth was always meant to be sand, I really do think all attempts to salvage the entity named earth elemental ahve been futile and he really should just be removed

[earnest jewel]

Kill.

[lyric trellis]

Earth Elemental shattered across space and time to become granite and sand and earth

[polar tide]

:/

[thorny fjord]

Like I'm sorry to everyone who tried to save it but I just want it gone

[dusty tinsel]

Yah because the one called earth elemental isn't real

[blazing field]

make him a horse again he atleast was funny

[mystic eagle]

Put me back together

[vivid hemlock]

this is a girl too btw trust

[thorny fjord]

collect her pieces

[dusty tinsel]

Marble elemental when

[deft lily]

🟠 i think this orange circle is a girl

[polar tide]

truth nuke

[rose laurel]

Earth is split in a gazillion pieces and there's no manifestation of it that can be said as the "main" one

[dusk bronze]

i have been summoned

[blazing field]

I'm ngl i still just don't really vibe with the way the elementals Are but i'm not sure how to explain why

I think it's a mix of things

[dusk bronze]

someone mentioned removing earth elemental

[mystic eagle]

My name is Silva

Collect my body parts

[deft lily]

i think earth elemental should uhhh

[dusty tinsel]

Earth elemental should be reborn as a real entity

[deft lily]

yeah

that

[lyric trellis]

Addon where you put earth elemental back together

[rose laurel]

The "Earth Elemental" isn't a real elemental at all tho

[dusty tinsel]

Umbara is becoming the earth elemental

[deft lily]

finally

[dusk bronze]

fraud elemental

[deft lily]

i will finally be added to calamity

my time has come

[earnest jewel]

The earth and the prophecy.

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-wiggle-cat-kitten-wiggle-kitten-crazy-gif-902192699507662021

[late eagle]

Unstoppable machine

[rose laurel]

That's me

[dusty tinsel]

The earth elemental has been nerfed to have the stats of the base game worm critter to make up for umbara replacing it

[hard copper]

They see me rollin

[arctic cliff]

please just rename him man

[deft lily]

explode

[rose laurel]

We will!!

[arctic cliff]

he’s just gonna confuse everyone

[rose laurel]

Just not now

[earnest jewel]

'Potential Elemental'.

[rose laurel]

Soon

[vagrant wind]

can we rename earth elemental to horse elemental since he was originally a horse

[rose laurel]

We have other things to do

[deft lily]

calamity players cant read anyway its fine

[dusty tinsel]

Rename the earth elemental to robot elemental

[blazing field]

The fact they seem so, so adjacent to the concept of the World Soul and such but yet have no clear explanation for how they exist separately from it or what their origin is

And the fact they all seem to be, or "have" been individuals that at most split into several smaller forms, which to make makes things feel... smaller? All elementals ultimately are just the same 5 things repeatedly

Like if elementals were more like just "Yeah there's these entities made up of magic that manifest sometimes based on the elements around them" and there wasn't anything more to it yeah ngl that's entirely fine and while basic, a entirely valid explanation. but the way they're written makes them seem far more like they Should be more important and treats them much more as individual characters rather than just a group of beings like golems or undead

[rose laurel]

We (Archon) wanted to rename it to Clockwork Elemental

[dull heart]

rename it to joe

[deft lily]

true

[lyric trellis]

Earth elemental is one of the few things people can read because of how many suggestions have asked to add it to hote

[blazing field]

Elementals to me feel like they are in a situation where they have conflicting directions and don't really

[dusk bronze]

on the topic of renaming
signus
pleas e
why is he still envoy

[blazing field]

mesh together well wtih anything

[deft lily]

calamity players can only read smthing if it involves spiting the project

[rose laurel]

Well yah that's because the Elementals aren't all the same, they just have origins

[earnest jewel]

Elementals should be able to hire you to expand their domain, like Anahita just hands you a water bucket and tells you to go crazy.

[rose laurel]

Ice Elementals aren't connected to Anahita even if they originated from her

[blazing field]

Yeah but that's the thing the fact they're originated from her to begin with

[rose laurel]

Similarly, none of the Earth Elemental splinters are connected either

[deft lily]

yeah that is kind of weird i do agree

[rose laurel]

I guess but then yu just have auric shards with a different coat of paint

[blazing field]

I don't really see how

Elementals are a fairly common concept in media and if the goal is for them to be fairly unimportant primordial beings that aren't like connected at large with other things

[rose laurel]

"Here are these things that embody concepts of the planet in many shapes and form"

Elementals being able to split and take similar aspects to themselves is the unique part about them in the setting

It's mitosis

[arctic cliff]

okay what if they’re fragments of auric/godly souls that spontaneously became alive
what if eye of cthulhu was technically an elemental

or actually

[rose laurel]

No :(

[arctic cliff]

don’t tie them to the auric souls and all that jazz at al

magic

[earnest jewel]

Clearly the Elementals tried to make a Super Elemental and created the World Soul in the process, then killed it due to it being too powerful.

[arctic cliff]

elementals are typically almost always associated with magic

[rose laurel]

We have a general idea of what we want to do with the Elementals tho

[arctic cliff]

just lean into that more ig????

astral infection elementals?

[blazing field]

I guess what i'm trying to get at is that in a lot of media elementals are simply just randomly born out of magic based on their enviroment, while in Calamity they all trace their origin back to 5 individuals, each wtih seemingly their own personality and character traits, which to me naturally makes it feel like elementals as a whole should be much more important than just a random category of creatures

[deft lily]

give all of the elementals machetes

[blazing field]

Specially if these five individuals are incredibly ancient and came before everything we know now

[deft lily]

would create an interesting dynamic me thinks

[blazing field]

This makes them basically the closest calamity has to like, proper ancient deities and for them to just be fairly unimportant creatures that exist and dont add much feels odd, specially, again

with the fact the world soul exists

which is a seemingly adjacent concept yet is far, far more important to the storty at large

[dusk bronze]

i agree that the elementals feel out of place in the story

[deft lily]

^

[dusk bronze]

they're kinda just there

[deft lily]

even tho im not super knowledgable on cal lore they have always felt out of place to me as well

[mystic eagle]

Silva is like the only Elemental with actual relevance in the story

[deft lily]

like in general

[blazing field]

The very fact the elementals ultimately trace their origin back to five individuals that came before everything else yet are seemingly intended to be fairly minor and not suuuper explored from what i'm seeing feels awkward

It's less about them being relevant individually as characters again and more about just

their concept as a whole

It'ws fine for Silva and Brimmy to be the only ones to take the spotlight as more important as characters individually but the concept of elementals as a whole feels like it should have alot more gravitas to the worldbuilding and narrative

Aswell as more indepth explanations, of how they work

I am not one for giving explanations and details to everything in fact i think that's Really Bad

It's ok to have some shit that just Is you don't wanna overexplain every little thing

[earnest jewel]

Brimstone Elemental did one thing once.

[blazing field]

but elementals being in that category just feels incredibly awkward ot me

[deft lily]

and it sort of irks me that currently they are just goonerbait but its whatever atp
esp since its going to change

[earnest jewel]

It was brought up that Anahita has worshippers in Brainstorm, right?

[mystic eagle]

Someone woke her up while sleepwalking Mythra style

[deft lily]

or well,
just brimstone i think

[earnest jewel]

I didn't play Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

[blazing field]

Why is the World Soul such a central piece of the narrative when we have ELementals which by all means feel like a extremely adjacent concept yet are relegated to being seemingly a less important worldbuilding group of creatures, yk

[mystic eagle]

Good, you missed out on an interesting cutscene

[blazing field]

Anyways thanks for listening to my ted talk

i ma cheese

[deft lily]

ravager rework tomorrow

[dusk bronze]

you are cheese

[blazing field]

I think either you just flesh them out more or give them more improtance or you'd have to just kinda change how elementals, are, fundamentally

atleast in my opinion

and i reckon the second would be harder to do

[deft lily]

i ma umbara

[boreal edge]

This is @blazing field’s fault

[blazing field]

so, yea

[still bluff]

ok

[dusk bronze]

yeag

[amber egret]

envoy of noxus :)

[dusk bronze]

wrong

[deft lily]

envoy of ur mom-

💥

[amber egret]

KABLEWYYY

[blazing field]

dosent have jackshit to do with noxus

[amber egret]

sure he does

he's evil so like

he's noxus related

[deft lily]

you're evil

[dusk bronze]

ragebait

[amber egret]

yea i suppose thats the term

[deft lily]

i think amidias is evil because i said so

cuz like

[earnest jewel]

I am Noxus Calamity. My true goal is to bring joy to children and make free ice-cream part of the constitution.

[still bluff]

no amidias isn't purple

[deft lily]

his whole kingdom burned

[still bluff]

he can't be evil

[deft lily]

and like

it was done by scal so like

thats bad

so hes evil

[mystic eagle]

Noxus would give everyone a free pony

[blazing field]

i dont even known if rebecca and/or the archonlings saw my ted talk fuck my chud life

[deft lily]

L

[earnest jewel]

They should let me come up with the ideas I got good ones.

[mystic eagle]

Which Elemental would do best in a Hotdog-Eating contest

[earnest jewel]

Anahita.

[vivid hemlock]

shut it britty

[earnest jewel]

What the hell!?

[earnest jewel]

There's a reason for this.

[deft lily]

in all seriousness i lack the creative talent and skill to have good ideas

so, L

[dusk bronze]

i have very good ideas but unfortunately they're all delegated to minecraft

[blazing field]

@rose laurel can youguys read my thing ill cry.

[deft lily]

condolences

[blazing field]

i have abysmal dogshit ideas my ideas fucking suck all of them

[still bluff]

cring

[amber egret]

How to be Noxus related:

have purple or black be your primary color
be subjectively evil
use at least any form of teleportation or summoning
How to NOT be Noxus related:
have yellow, red, or orange as your primary colors
be an auric god

my ted talk

[earnest jewel]

Signus is bright orange, trust me.

[amber egret]

mine are bound to my Brain Palace. they need to leave eventually they're being Evil

[still bluff]

these are the only 2 alignments in calamity

[dusk bronze]

> auric god

[blazing field]

berdly

[amber egret]

there are creatures who could be called Gods who are not the gods im referring to

[vivid hemlock]

are you bleen or are you yellange

[dusk bronze]

there are not

[amber egret]

i am grurple

[dusk bronze]

bleen

[still bluff]

neutral drops are a terrible mechanic and i hate everything

[amber egret]

Astrum Deus is called Star God and is not a god
Noxus could reasonably be considered God-Like but has not consumed an auric soul (i think)

[earnest jewel]

So it's not a god.

[dusk bronze]

neither of those are godlike

[amber egret]

they are Called gods but are not the gods i refer to

[dusk bronze]

noxus is never referred to as a god

[earnest jewel]

1. Nobody calls Noxus a god.
2. Astrum Deus was worshipped, it wasn't a god.

[dusk bronze]

he's not even mentioned in the game

[amber egret]

why the deus moniker

[earnest jewel]

Brimstone Elemental was also worshipped and wasn't a god either.

[dusk bronze]

and nobody calls deus a god either

people just worship it like one

[earnest jewel]

That's just its name.

[amber egret]

nobody calls [god but in latin] a god either

[dusk bronze]

its name is irrelevant

[earnest jewel]

Godzilla isn't a god.

[amber egret]

i did not say that i said "could reasonably be considered God-Like"

[dusk bronze]

also latin doesn't even exist in calamity

at least i hope not

[earnest jewel]

'God-like' is not a definable category.

[amber egret]

id argue so

[dusk bronze]

it's really not

[earnest jewel]

Then make an actual argument.

[dusk bronze]

gods can be literally anyone

slime god and xeroc
coughing baby vs the fucking sun

[amber egret]

you are comparing a god to a god

[dusk bronze]

yes, that is the point of my comparison

thanks for pointing that out

[amber egret]

slime god could mog a numerable amount of soldiers

[earnest jewel]

It's a binary system, you're a god or you are not a god.

You cannot be almost a god.

Or almost not a god.

[amber egret]

swear to heavens im not saying noxus is a god im saying he could be compared to one.

[dusk bronze]

you're saying you could compare it to slime god

[amber egret]

if i showed Steve Calamity a picture of noxus and a picture of slime god, he could reasonably believe both are gods

[earnest jewel]

That doesn't mean anything.

[amber egret]

same as astrum deus being compared to a god despite not being one

[dusk bronze]

someone could also believe calamitas is a god

[lyric trellis]

“Deus” not being a god is probably one of the dumbest things rn maybe that’ll change with a retier and stuff when deus is made good in 5 years

[dusk bronze]

you have no argument

[amber egret]

i do infact have an argument, you just keep aggroing it down

[earnest jewel]

If I showed you two plants and you said you thought they were both fruit, would they be 'fruit-like'?

[lean relic]

Lore writers i need this

[amber egret]

yes. that is what the suffix "-like" means

[earnest jewel]

It won't, would require rewriting a lot of stuff and making Astrum Deus sapient.

[earnest jewel]

So it's a meaningless and redundant category.

[amber egret]

???

how does that even translate to that

[lyric trellis]

Well good thing neither of us have any idea what Deus could become in the future

[earnest jewel]

I highly doubt they would throw away literally all of the worldbuilding surrounding it.

[dusk bronze]

you could technically describe literally any plant as fruit like
so it's a completely meaningless descriptor

[amber egret]

why would it evolve to be fruit-like if it didnt have a reason to do that

why would Astrum Deus be called Space God if it didnt have a reason to do that

[earnest jewel]

What does that have to do with literally anything?

[lean relic]

Invoked Stargod ✅

[dusk bronze]

fruit like isn't a real term 😭

[amber egret]

it factually is man

[lyric trellis]

True

[earnest jewel]

Astrum Deus did not 'evolve' to 'resemble a god'.
Its species certainly predates gods.

Are gods 'Astrum Deus-like' then?

[dusk bronze]

the name doesn't mean anything.

[amber egret]

you are twisting my words man

[earnest jewel]

Your words have no meaning.

[rose laurel]

We were busy walking

[dusk bronze]

anyway this argument sucks

[amber egret]

why would a thing be worshipped as a god when it obviously has a sign around its neck saying "NOT A GOD NO AURIC SOUL IN ME NOPE"

[dusk bronze]

[amber egret]

at least in the way yall phrase it thats how it sounds

[earnest jewel]

You're literally making up arguments.

[amber egret]

dude

this has to be ragebait

[earnest jewel]

I suspect as such.

[amber egret]

at this point this has to be intentional incentivizing

[lyric trellis]

Any argument against something changing because of lore is irrelevant because look at what’s gonna happen to SG, Folly, evil2, etc. Not saying it’ll happen but like, literally what does current deus have more that those other bosses don’t

[earnest jewel]

What?

None of those would have to have their very concept be entirely rewritten.

[dusk bronze]

all of them are gonna have basically the same lore

[earnest jewel]

Like, a dragon being weaker doesn't mean it wouldn't have to be a dragon.

[dusk bronze]

just more auraful

[earnest jewel]

Astrum Deus actually being a god would change EVERYTHING about it.

[dusk bronze]

also it fundamentally can't be a god because the ritual requires sapience

[amber egret]

where was this said

[dusk bronze]

unless you make it sapient but then oops it's a completely different creature

[dusk bronze]

somewhere

[earnest jewel]

And if it's sapient then how did it get infected by the Astral Infection, which struggles against sapience. Did it get infected on purpose then? Did it create the Infection?

It would also have to be an individual, have an entire explanation as to how it's not been murdered.

[dusk bronze]

uhhh calamity update talk i think

horrible hog

[earnest jewel]

Fine, update idea, remove 'Deus' from Astrum Deus' name.

[lyric trellis]

Going back to 2017 to remove astral infection

[earnest jewel]

We will call it 'Astrum Dave' from now on.

[amber egret]

i have seen sapient creatures get infected

[earnest jewel]

Name one.

[dusk bronze]

no

[amber egret]

The Terrarian

[earnest jewel]

No.

[misty wren]

thats not you getting infected

[dusk bronze]

you
don't get infected

[misty wren]

thats you fucking melting

[amber egret]

i appear to be outdated. it wasnt always melting that i remember

anyhow i dont see why sapient creatures cant be infected

[dusk bronze]

because they can't

it's just how the infection works

[earnest jewel]

It's explicitly stated it doesn't work.

[amber egret]

can i see where this is said

[dusk bronze]

draetalk

[earnest jewel]

'The Infection has beguiled me since its surge upon this world. To study it, I retrofitted an Aureus reconnaissance model with armor intended to nullify its effects. In the end, all the protection I could muster only delayed Aureus' fall to the starborne rot. Observing your trials, I understood why it was overtaken: the lack of a thinking brain.'

[amber egret]

hm

and how would changing this change things?

like in a future lore change

[earnest jewel]

Because it would require Astrum Deus to be sapient.

[amber egret]

what would. change here

[earnest jewel]

I.e. not vulnerable to the Astral Infection.

[amber egret]

^

[misty wren]

deus being a god would mean it has to be sapient meaning it cant be infected meaning it cant be an astral boss

[dusk bronze]

there wouldn't be an explanation for how you specifically don't get transformed by the infection

[earnest jewel]

Unless it either intentionally just, allowed itself to be infected, or it created the infection itself, both would require heavy justification.

[amber egret]

i could reasonably see that sapient creatures get melted but since deus is big (like whales) they can stave themselves by being hyperaggro

[still bluff]

deus is actually EVIL and made the infection to KILL EVERYONE

[rotund venture]

this entire argument all because someone failed to understand that AD not being a god despite the name is half the fucking point

[dusk bronze]

[amber egret]

that does not need to be the case for sapient creatures to get infected

[misty wren]

it isnt half the point

[earnest jewel]

If sapient creatures can't be infected, then an Astrum Deus that was a god couldn't be infected.

[amber egret]

are you saying this against my point or with it

[amber egret]

he doesnt

[misty wren]

deus being named deus is just needlessly obtuse

[amber egret]

need to be

a god

[earnest jewel]

THAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT!

[amber egret]

THATS NOT!!!

[earnest jewel]

IT IS!

[amber egret]

why are we yelling?!!

[dusk bronze]

i think you guys are misunderstanding

[rotund venture]

it is worshipped as a god despite not being one what is obtuse about that?

[misty wren]

ok but we're talking about hypothetical "deus is rewritten to be a god" as the first message in this chain said

[lean relic]

the art of misunderstanding:

[dusk bronze]

they were asking why the astral couldn't be changed to be able to infect sapient things

[amber egret]

i never said he was a god!!! i said he was called one while not being one!!!!

which went with my other point of Noxus being God-liiiiikeee because they are powerful and people are easily fooled!!!!!

[misty wren]

"star god" in a mod very heavily tied to gods where theres a very strict definition of what a god is
not a god

[earnest jewel]

Which is a meaningless term.

[dusk bronze]

dragonfolly is godlike because it's powerful

[rotund venture]

yes because it is worshipped

as a god

like

cmon

[misty wren]

thats like calling a wendys a united states embassy because diplomats eat there

[amber egret]

it is >>>>Dragon<<<<-like

[earnest jewel]

No, it's a dragon.

[dusk bronze]

that's also not a term 😭

[still bluff]

i mean

[earnest jewel]

It is not Like a Dragon.

[dusk bronze]

dragonfolly is actually just a dragon

[lean relic]

This is planned to change right..?
because yk, the evil2 swap

[earnest jewel]

It IS a dragon.

[dusk bronze]

yeah

[amber egret]

i meant Auric Dragon as it is a Mistake in terms of Cloning (last i checked)

its a Dragon but not an Auric One

[earnest jewel]

No it isn't.

It's just a dragon.

[dusk bronze]

oh god

[rotund venture]

HOOOLYYY go read the lore doc

[lyric trellis]

It’s true

[amber egret]

i did man

[dusk bronze]

it hasn't been a clone for 3 years

[earnest jewel]

In which year?

[amber egret]

like maybe 3 months ago

[amber egret]

hrm. why did they change that

[earnest jewel]

And it didn't say that.

[misty wren]

no, fluffy, the place referred to as the united states embassy in taiwan colloquially is still not an embassy its a HOOTERS

[earnest jewel]

To make Draedon not incompetent.

[dusk bronze]

calclone already exists

it was 2 things with the exact same backstory

[urban cloak]

he isn't saying you can't have a creature that isn't a god be worshipped like one
its just that its a little silly having an entity literally named "star god" in your story not fit the very strict definition you have for the term "god"

[still bluff]

i'm just saying if i needed to go somewhere to talk to an american

that's where i'd go

[amber egret]

failure is not the enemy of victory, it is a neccessary step

the literal Scientific Method is about that

[rotund venture]

except it is very easily explained by people in universe calling it that

[earnest jewel]

If I wanted to talk to an American, I would send out a flare in the shape of the American Flag.

[amber egret]

try to clone an auric dragon
fail, observe why
try to clone a human!
get a clone, its unstable, observe why

[earnest jewel]

Main problem that it's probably older than gods.

[earnest jewel]

Clone isn't unstable.

[dusk bronze]

calclone wasn't unstable until calamitas fucked her up

[earnest jewel]

She was a perfect clone.

[dusk bronze]

please reread the lore doc

[still bluff]

don't disrespect draedon's science he's kinda cracked

[lyric trellis]

Should just call deus “really old space sickness worm”

[misty wren]

because a) theres an implication here that you can just make a copy of an auric soul and b) yharim would not fucking let draedon do that

[amber egret]

did yharim hold control over everything draedon did

[dusk bronze]

also the "trying to revive dragons" people are the dragon cult

[earnest jewel]

He was the guy paying him.

[misty wren]

yharim certainly held control over draedons access to yharon

[amber egret]

"Astrum Vermis"

[amber egret]

would he have needed the entire yharon??

i wouldve believed (as draedon couldve potentially) that being auric is genetic not specific

[lyric trellis]

Space worm 🔥

[amber egret]

so like One Feather would do that

[misty wren]

to make an actual clone generally you need multiple samples

[amber egret]

see my comment on Multiple Feathers

[earnest jewel]

It's explicitly not.

[amber egret]

or

one

[dusk bronze]

yharim would also get royally pissed that draedon did something like that behind his back

as he did with the plague

[amber egret]

you are saying this as an omnipotent viewpoint

from draedons perspective, he does not know this until he did it

[earnest jewel]

No, I'm saying that from a point of that children of gods are a thing that exist.

And draconic offshoots exist.

And they don't have extra-ordinary souls.

[rose laurel]

^

[earnest jewel]

Draedon would surely know of at least ONE.

[rose laurel]

Auric-ness is very explicitly NOT genetic

[lean relic]

draeGPT gerenate me Calamitas Clone

[amber egret]

auric dragon and auric dragon offshoots or auric dragon and Literally Anything Else offshoots

[rose laurel]

You

[amber egret]

if it was Auric + Auric = Not Auric then yes my argument fails

[dusk bronze]

?????

[rose laurel]

Yes

[misty wren]

look if what i need to finish building a computer is a cpu gpu and ram sticks i cannot finish building that computer with 20 sticks of ram and some super glue

[rose laurel]

That's

How

It works

And has always worked

[lyric trellis]

Generating: Retinazer 2

[rose laurel]

😭

Auric + Auric = Non Auric because it's not genetic

[earnest jewel]

You don't need to clone a dragon to know Auric Souls aren't genetic.

[still bluff]

absolutely no offshoots (dragon children) have auric souls

[amber egret]

yes

i know this

[earnest jewel]

He had to do it to Calamitas because how else could he figure it out.

[dusk bronze]

then what the fuck are you talking about 😭

[amber egret]

i am aware of this fact as everyone whos Read The Pages Before knows

i am saying, from a viewpoint of a person who does not know everything and has flaw, did he know of this

[still bluff]

then yea why are you arguing this

[earnest jewel]

Obviously he would.

[amber egret]

was the fact that auric + auric = not auric public information

[misty wren]

theres not Auric Dragon and Auric Dragon Offshoots and Other Dragon Offshoots because all of the offshoots come from auric dragons

[limpid grail]

yeah it's really that simple

[rose laurel]

Why wouldn't he know?

[amber egret]

there is a massive list of things draedon as of current does not know

[dusk bronze]

you could look at a draconic offshoot and very clearly see it does not have an auric soul

[amber egret]

that list expands as you move backwards in time

[rose laurel]

Well yeah but I'm pretty sure you can look at Old Duke and see that it's not the case

[misty wren]

yes but this is simple observational skils

[earnest jewel]

It's like saying if your parents were wizards you should also be a wizard right after being born.

[amber egret]

i could look at it? i could physically see it and go "ah yes this doesnt have an auric"

[limpid grail]

i mean yeah but knwoign taht auric dragon + auric dragon having children doesnt make another auric dragon is pretty easy to figure out

[rose laurel]

Yes?

[earnest jewel]

Yes.

[rose laurel]

[dusk bronze]

by observing its behavior, yes

[limpid grail]

espeically when you have one around you can just

ask

[amber egret]

and that being? not aggro im genuinely curious

[lyric trellis]

Draedon looking at Basilisks and frowning

[limpid grail]

there's several ways to tell but the easiest is just

[earnest jewel]

Well Auric Dragons probably had a BIG GLOWING THING.

[limpid grail]

"hey yharim ask yharon this for me"

[amber egret]

the one auric dragon we interact with (outdatedly) does not have a Big Glowing Thing

[dusk bronze]

not using powers from a domain

[still bluff]

if you couldn't tell the difference, then the offshoots would've been wiped out just as aggressively as the actual dragons

[rose laurel]

You're getting so deep into how someone could figure that out as if literally just picking a book in biology and soul study wouldn't tell you that

[earnest jewel]

And is Draedon limited by in-game implementation?

[rose laurel]

No characteristic of one's soul is EVER passed down through genes

[dusk bronze]

and also literally the entire point of the crusade is that yharon's the only auric dragon left, which draedon would absolutely know about

because he was in the crusade

[amber egret]

im 95% sure

[rose laurel]

Because that'd be the same as passing down your muscle growth

[limpid grail]

there's not really any need to elaborate on how given it's just basic knowedge that even if he didn't know there's many ways ti easier figure out, one of which being

[amber egret]

they were

[limpid grail]

again

ask

[earnest jewel]

And if you could make more so easily, they'd do that.

[misty wren]

also if it seems like it is but its stuff that overlaps with a domain already known (aka folly having lightning which is covered under vetrasyls domain and later otonilous) then that determines that it is in fact not an auric soul

[dusk bronze]

then why are there still so many

[amber egret]

there. arent.

[misty wren]

there explicitly are

look at the abyss

[rose laurel]

Dragonfollies are right there

[still bluff]

there is one auric dragon (who was dead in the dragon death era)
there are a whole host of offshoots

[rose laurel]

[amber egret]

of dragonfollies? unless im misreading

[dusk bronze]

old duke
follies
fishrons
pigrons
wyverns
basilisks
eidolon wyrms
primordial wyrm

😭

[amber egret]

of Dragons yes

[rose laurel]

Dragonfollies, Wyrms, Fishroms, wyverns, basilisks

[deft lily]

hello

[amber egret]

of Dragonfollies (my main focus here) no

[deft lily]

i love dragonfolly!

[rose laurel]

Huh?

Dragonfollies fuck like rabbits

[earnest jewel]

It says there they were hunted by 'divine mandates', implying that Yharim believes the gods wanted them hunted, not due to them having Auric Souls.

[dusk bronze]

dragonfollies entire thing is that there's too fucking many bc they reproduce too fast 😭 😭 😭

[deft lily]

haha dragonfolly go brbrbrbrbrbrbr

[hoary edge]

I love yharon
he deserves a banger rework

[still bluff]

like sure, they were hunted because of the draconic associations
but they weren't literally wiped out like the auric dragons were because of the power people would gain

[earnest jewel]

Yharim:

[lyric trellis]

Okay tbf I have to wonder how many people go down to the abyss in lore but yeah

[limpid grail]

hilaioursly, one thing that wasn't changed by the change in writing team because it was funny

[rose laurel]

Yeah it was more like normal hunting

[misty wren]

you actively see new follies being born in the folly fight and there are enough that they're regular post moon lord enemies

[earnest jewel]

At least one.

[lyric trellis]

Huge

[rose laurel]

Basically no one because unironically what the fuck do you even get from going there

[still bluff]

yea, silva

[earnest jewel]

See, you get it!

[earnest jewel]

There's a really cool rock.

[limpid grail]

bragging rights

[dusk bronze]

that literally nobody knows exists

[still bluff]

you get xeroc's stones

[misty wren]

also its directly stated "yeah there are way too fucking many of these things they make way more than we can kill"

[dusk bronze]

[lyric trellis]

Like I could imagine a theoretical timeline where an auric dragon might’ve survived in the abyss but obviously that’s irrelevant

[rose laurel]

There's Scoria but there are several alloys of similar efficiency you can get at a tenth of the effort

[earnest jewel]

The concept of a cool rock does, however. I never said which rock was the cool one.

[earnest jewel]

Hope it's good at holding its breath.

[still bluff]

gill dragon

KRAKEN

[lyric trellis]

Kraken 🔥

[dusk bronze]

yeah like
gold is good enough for 99% of people

[rose laurel]

Adamantite/Titanium are generally not too hard to come across and are effective enough for any high-end military operation

[amber egret]

are those being born or summoned

[still bluff]

someone write a fanfic about yharim going to fight the kraken dragon btw

[misty wren]

born

[limpid grail]

you know when i was still a writer something i was tempted to do was write in somebody's plan to sabatoge azafure by reaching the bottom of the abyss and digging down into azafure with high explosives causing it to start flooding and you'd find this out from a tech-logbook-thing next to a corpse in the 2nd layer of the abyss

[earnest jewel]

Imagine;
"Wait, Yharim, don't kill me, hear me out!"
"And why should I let a DISGUSTING GODDESS like you live."
"I saw an Auric Dragon down in the Abyss."
"Wait, for real? I'll get my flippers."

[dusk bronze]

is there a lore reason you can only get hardmode ores in hardmode despite them existing before

[limpid grail]

yes

[earnest jewel]

Why would they fight?

[misty wren]

yeah you just cant see them iirc

[still bluff]

good point

yharim taming the kraken

[rose laurel]

Because making them is really hard still and you don't really have the means to do so

[amber egret]

like canonically? i thought they were being summoned from a nest or something

[still bluff]

this timeline ends with yharim dying to primordial wyrm

[dusk bronze]

whar

[amber egret]

meant to reply to this

[amber egret]

woth this

[lyric trellis]

I like the idea that Silva saw it before getting thrown down

[earnest jewel]

"It's magnificent..."
Get's impaled.

[limpid grail]

most veins that came to exist were just mined out the moment they were found and them forming is REALLY rare and only under specific conditions

[earnest jewel]

It was there the last time she was there.

[limpid grail]

so

[amber egret]

nah yharim would just feedbacker. obviously

[lyric trellis]

Does Yharim have RoD

[limpid grail]

it's just not something you're really ever gonna naturally run into

[dusk bronze]

i see

[earnest jewel]

Yharim Snap.

[amber egret]

actually yeah would the wyrm hate yharim or like him

[still bluff]

his armor is too bright

[limpid grail]

the odds of just finding it are stupid rare

[earnest jewel]

They both hate Xeroc.

[amber egret]

since yharim also hates the Being of Primordial Light, just different times

[lyric trellis]

Clearly this should also happen when we get auric

[amber egret]

but yharim also chopped up silva

[still bluff]

yep

[urban cloak]

what is the kraken dragon

[still bluff]

the kraken

[earnest jewel]

It's like, the kraken, but an Auric Dragon.

[still bluff]

fryzahh

duh

[amber egret]

its in the title

as astrum vermis is