Shromp
#calamity-update-talk
rotund venture
Those weapons did not get reworked into peak, fun, powerful items to be slandered like this
strange cargo
Theyre clearly a chudfernum player, you gotta be patient with them
lyric trellis
Augur is too peak
vivid hemlock
the redeemer
solemn crest
Skyline wings tho
amber egret
Those weapons did not get reworked into peak, fun, powerful items to be slandere...
most of them did
strange cargo
Skyline wings tho
Are locked behind aerialite
amber egret
shimp is just cool, not powerful
solemn crest
Good enough for QS and scourge too
strange cargo
shimp is just cool, not powerful
???
amber egret
i do not like shimp's dps output
solemn crest
shimp is just cool, not powerful
rotund venture
We had this argument literally not long ago
amber egret
for 4 minion slots
rotund venture
Shrinp has good killtimes
amber egret
it dont feel it
solemn crest
Shimp is cool AND powerful
amber egret
ee specially since i need Four Minion Slots for One
still cobalt
I think shrimp feels great tho i do think ktd be more fun if it was less slots
lyric trellis
Shrimp seems very powerful unless I’m missing something
rotund venture
It's pretty damn good iirc
rotund venture
A dev (doze?) showed its killtimes here
amber egret
dont feel Good
still cobalt
It only felt bad when i missed the right click
rotund venture
They were pretty good
solemn crest
Shimp:)
rotund venture
dont feel Good
Aiming be like
strange cargo
Shrimp aint bad
solemn crest
Alright I’m lazy and don’t wanna aim, which should I mess with, the pointer or grape beer?
rotund venture
If arsenal has one fan its me if world against arsenal Im against world
amber egret
how did you get 7 minion slots
strange cargo
Gotta crop that rq
amber egret
i had four
strange cargo
Too much info
rotund venture
So excited for more of the reworks
amber egret
oh wait bee armor
amber egret
i just stopped using it after i think
still cobalt
I had 5 but i dont think i maxxed with accessories
amber egret
idk i tried it for qb
still cobalt
I used it for qb felt good and it felt great on skeletron imo
rotund venture
Its fantastic for skeletron
vagrant wind
deft lily
calamity mod
knotty siren
The sunken sea is still being updated eventually right?
Only asking because the biome is one of my favorite areas in the mod but after hardmode I almost never go there
knotty siren
Yay
knotty siren
The sunken sea is still being updated eventually right?
Only asking because the...
Also does the giant clam drop a treasure bag? Because when I killed it nothing dropped
earnest jewel
Also does the giant clam drop a treasure bag? Because when I killed it nothing d...
It's a mini boss.
knotty siren
It's a mini boss.
Was just checking
cobalt wharf
if you need to just check more things the wiki is for that
knotty siren
if you need to just check more things the wiki is for that
Got it, was just asking here because I was gonna ask if giant clam is eventually gonna get more stuff
cobalt wharf
ic
knotty siren
Because I know at one point they were gonna get resprited right?
Unless I’m remembering wrong
tropic jolt
sunken sea is still planned to be reworked and that does include giant clam
but it probably wont happen for a while
knotty siren
Alr
tropic jolt
calamity fables on the other hand is releasing their version of the sunken sea relatively soon
earnest jewel
Unless I’m remembering wrong
It was gonna be changed quite a bit.
knotty siren
It was gonna be changed quite a bit.
That’s exciting for me because my biggest gripe with the clam rn is instead of attacking you directly it just spams 600 hp enemies
dusty tinsel
The sea when it's sunken
knotty siren
Well it does have the slam but my point still stands
knotty siren
When I get back to playing terraria on my own lol
I recently started a play-through of calamity but I’ve been too tired with my life to play 
And I’ve been sick
dusty tinsel
I think I have a playthrough for calamity I started after brainstorm that I made a world for did some stuff and haven't played since
The last time I played it was vanilla with my brother and I kept getting rare drops
And he didn't
knotty siren
The sea when it's sunken
The sunken when its sea
echo pier
There is an issue with skeletron in multiplayer, when in death mode the fight and AI of it are basically vanilla
in singleplayer it has death mode changes as it should be
but skeletron when in multiplayer, does not get revengeance, death or malice changes
this is happening since the brainstorm update, i want the devs to check this out
lyric trellis
That’s known and intentional
thorn pier
why though?
temporary fix
signal imp
muted cliff
why though?
as 20 other people will say after this, and has been said, programming a boss to work on multiplayer is very difficult, it is a pain in the ass to do and make it work as flush as possible to be as close as it would be to singleplayer
muted cliff
was there a specific reason it wasnt reverted to like
did that ai work either?
solid badge
Do we have any idea when tmodloader itself will update to 1.4.5, therefore allowing calamity to get the changes as well? Sorry if this isn't relevant, I couldn't find an answer online
spiral jewel
Do we have any idea when tmodloader itself will update to 1.4.5, therefore allow...
A few months away at least
Usually takes a while
solid badge
Dang, do the official devs help the tmodloader devs or do they just have to do it on their own?
spiral jewel
I wouldn't have a clue, sorry but there's no telling when it'll update
earnest jewel
tModloader is not made by Relogic.
solid badge
tModloader is not made by Relogic.
Yeah I know, I just also know that relogic cares more about their community than most devs so I was curious if maybe they were in touch
spiral jewel
They've probably had communication in the past but I seriously doubt the official Devs help with tmodloader development and updates
dull heart
They do
At least two tmod developers got hired by relogic
I think
I know for sure ChickenBones was hired by relogic and helps manage tmod
sand dome
grox as well
rare tinsel
ooh oph i got an idea of what we coild do to grape beer
amber egret
rare tinsel
make it give every projectile a particle effect as it flies and when it hits
make every weapon dazzling stabber
amber egret
also holy shit this trailer is aaaancient
this trailers got overhaul in it
not cal overhaul, the base one
tropic jolt
grox as well
@grok is this true
lean relic
At least tree falling animation is back
amber egret
jeeeeeesus
lean relic
All I want in overhaul is bring back seasons
rose laurel
SOMEONE MADE IT ALREADY
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif
Dies
strange cargo
Idk who did it tho
strange cargo
Do you guys wanna see my dog
dusk bronze
Idk who did it tho
brimston i think
tropic jolt
Do you guys wanna see my dog
is it malicious
strange cargo
No shes too stupid to be malicious
But we call her a pig bc she snores and snorts like one
fathom girder
horrible hog DoG rework confirmed
tropic jolt
cute
strange cargo
Fear her
tropic jolt
I am very afraid right now
strange cargo
She is in the midst of a cold war with the Robins in our backyard
deft lily
oh boy
strange cargo
She gets scolded for chasing them
stiff light
hello
vivid hemlock
8 more days...
still cobalt
Dangerous dog
amber egret
is the Horrible Hog gonna be just like the sulph sea version of Piggy
or is it /gen gonna Exist
dull heart
y'all it appears QB is actually an EoC alt all along...
strange cargo
Everything is a king slime, an eye, or a worm
tribal isle
y'all it appears QB is actually an EoC alt all along...
How does this affect boss checklist economy
thorn pier
qb first boss is what i like to do for summoner 🤑
strange cargo
Not much difference between pre or post eye for summoner yeah
But ds could help fs
barren nacelle
Just found out that Seafoam Bomb's recipe requires an inconsistent amount of Pearl Shards compared to other Sea Prism weapons, literally unplayable
thorn pier
need storage heart or something
stiff totem
i do im trying to deposit into it
hasty tangle
are there storage units connected to it
stiff totem
uh no i thought u only needed a storage heart?
hasty tangle
no
the storage heart is just how you interact with the things youve stored
and the storage units are where the items are actually kept
stiff totem
whats the recipe?
hasty tangle
check recipe browser
hoary edge
qb first boss is what i like to do for summoner 🤑
I once did skeletron as first boss in infernum with only nasty cholla and crystalline (pre-brainstorm update)
dull heart
the wiki doesn't have it
tropic jolt
lol what 😭
thorny fjord
lmao?
tropic jolt
poor JFL
arctic cliff
dragonfire does 4x damage to JFL
should i ping him for this
deft lily
-# idk who jfl is
dull heart
how long has this been a thing i'm wondernig
arctic cliff
-# idk who jfl is
youtuber
barren nacelle
the wiki doesn't have it
yes siiiir
deft lily
oh
barren nacelle
Other wiki question
deft lily
the guy who beat exo mechs using a minecart
barren nacelle
I'm always here
tropic jolt
the guy who beat jared with the coldheart and no accessories
barren nacelle
if somethings not on the wiki just ping me
or say my name
if someone says my name I'll appear
Hey question
thorny fjord
should i ping him for this
I'll throw one out there to see if he knew
barren nacelle
when something says an items stealth strike damage modifier is, say, 30%, does that mean the stealth strike projectile only deals 30% of the original damage or does that mean it deals an additional 30%
thorny fjord
@oak niche Were you aware of this? and is there a particular story behind this? Nvm, looks like you already knew, sorry about the ping!
barren nacelle
also it's already on the wiki
barren nacelle
~~<@353691694341947393> Were you aware of this? and is there a particular story ...
Thanatos inflicts dragonfire
My guess is the Exocart challenge would be impossible if Dragonfire did that much damage
dull heart
also it's already on the wiki
oh it's further down then i looked
deft lily
My guess is the Exocart challenge would be impossible if Dragonfire did that muc...
gee i wonder who implemented that 
pulsar cobalt
SHARKIE
barren nacelle
when something says an items stealth strike damage modifier is, say, 30%, does t...
bump 🥺
tropic jolt
My guess is the Exocart challenge would be impossible if Dragonfire did that muc...
wasnt exocart challenge a no hit
deft lily
i dont think so
thorny fjord
it's ok, he nerfed it later
to only 100 dps instead of 120
barren nacelle
you can't trick me
tropic jolt
deceit
strange cargo
Coin of deceit
boreal edge
You sure love spreading information as fast as possible don't you
tropic jolt
🦈
strange cargo
Doze be bulldozing I guess?
tropic jolt
the dozer
strange cargo
I feel like there should be an exo prism or miracle matter bee weapon
tropic jolt
exo hornets
grave geyser
old rams...
hasty tangle
GP whats ur fave class to play
i dont have one. my enjoyment of the game doesnt come from my class
strange cargo
i dont have one. my enjoyment of the game doesnt come from my class
Do you have a favorite piece of equipment or anything?
strange cargo
You’re a good guy GP
hasty tangle
uhhh, thanks?
strange cargo
deft lily
tropic jolt
dron
wise bolt
arctic cliff
dusk bronze
main estuary
draedon sweeps all when it comes to posture
polar tide
mrrp
white aurora
meow
polar tide
of course
barren nacelle
Her job is to pick up rocks and look at them
frail owl
meow
frail owl
Her job is to pick up rocks and look at them
she looks inside them
barren nacelle
How my EMILIA looks at me not knowing she's begging for the molten scoria in the forge
frail owl
vying for a life you'll never have
hard copper
This is EMILIA do you guys love her
barren nacelle
WONDERFUL IMAGE
frail owl
hi there specar
hard copper
hi wires
frail owl
i named a litten after you
hard copper
yippee!
frail owl
barren nacelle
pulsar cobalt
This is EMILIA do you guys love her
no
frail owl
hi there tsuki
molten grove
if somethings not on the wiki just ping me
wheres the rest of the ambient objects crispy….
frail owl
hi there aero slime merchant
molten grove
hihi
frail owl
please update the cut content doc
molten grove
for the past 2 years ive only done so on my birthday, i will be lazy and say the same for this year
frail owl
ok 
barren nacelle
no
We're having you hung from the streets
I'm working on weapon pages cuz they're still not up to date a month later 😔 I'll pivot
lyric trellis
One billion weapons
barren nacelle
I'm sending EMILIA to beat the shit out of one of you at random
vivid hemlock
the concoction
oak niche
~~<@353691694341947393> Were you aware of this? and is there a particular story ...
Yep, I know. Probably the funniest part is it has to do with accessoryless 6 and it was an inside joke with a few devs at the time 😅
I was expecting to finish the project by the time it was public because this was like early 2024 but um... here we are!
(whoops)
Even more hilarious is that I actually managed to test it today! Though I couldn't tell if it was hitting that hard or not to be completely honest. I got hit twice.
tropic jolt
barren nacelle
fun fact brainstorm removed the first 2 coral piles in this image.
they did add a new one tho
blazing field
I find it a bit odd how basically every rogue weapon ever was turned nonconsumable
for some of them it makes sense but
its specially odd with something like plaguenade
theyre a direct upgrade to beenades and are crafted from an extremely common material (plague fuel canisters)
so its not like,
them being consumable was really a issue
and it's just rather odd to have a consumable weapon turn nonconsumable
the same can be said for nasty cholla like
really. the cactus weapon. that you craft with cactus
the only one tat seems to remain consumable is throwing brick
kindred night
Throwing brick is still consumable btw
blazing field
yeah which is so odd to me
kindred night
what goes on in the mind of a calamity dev?
blazing field
iron tomahawk or whatever too. you craft these with iron bars that's a incredibly common material
barren nacelle
I lied they're just named "small wide coral" fsr
blazing field
Wulfrum knives too like
they don't even use energy cores it's just scrap
I really don't get it
barren nacelle
Awesome sprite
blazing field
It seems much more in line with pre-fabdeath calamity design of streamlining everything
kindred night
Wulfrum knives too like
wulfrum knives' whole gimmick was being reused 😭
lyric trellis
They’re just to make Rogue less like old thrower/ranger, and wulfrum knives new gimmick is peak so nothing was lost
vivid hemlock
Awesome sprite
the design is funny but its chudded im afraid
blazing field
They’re just to make Rogue less like old thrower/ranger, and wulfrum knives new ...
I mean by making them nonconsumable you're just making it the same as every other class lol
kindred night
They’re just to make Rogue less like old thrower/ranger, and wulfrum knives new ...
Bootleg 1.4.5 phasesaber
grave geyser
I mean by making them nonconsumable you're just making it the same as every othe...
eh?
its not like other classes dont have consumable weapons
lyric trellis
Ale tosser forever
blazing field
I mean yeah i'm pretty sure most of em don't except for ranger
which has throwing knives and shurikens, i guess
its just kind of a weird choice to me but its nothingburger
barren nacelle
AWESOME SPRITE that took me fucking forever to stitch
vivid hemlock
chopped aura
lyric trellis
Abandon ship
dull heart
Wulfrum knives too like
well
with their new gimmick consumable might just be weird
but might be fine
severe coral
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Irradiated Ok but like how does irradiated affect sickness debuffs if I have Corrosive Spine, Evergreen Gin, and an enemy is weak to sickness?
grave geyser
(100 + 25 + 25) * 2
severe coral
Cuz like
rough vine
rogue's consumable niche was like draedon charge
severe coral
(100 + 25 + 25) * 2
So (100% + 50% + 25%) * 2 * 2.75?
barren nacelle
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Irradiated Ok but like how does irradiated affe...
It's additive
grave geyser
where are you getting 2.75 from
barren nacelle
Or multiplicative for some
severe coral
Wait a second
barren nacelle
But they stack
grave geyser
the only multiplicitive debuff booster is natural weakness/resistance
barren nacelle
That's what I mean
severe coral
Oh ok so...
Irradiated doubles damage normally
But Scions makes it 2.75x if an enemy is sick and irradiated
ok ok ok
Then that is doubled if the enemy is weak?
grave geyser
yes
severe coral
dayum
So sickness debuffs are...
9.625x more effective than with no buffs and on a normal enemy
barren nacelle
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Irradiated Ok but like how does irradiated affe...
Don't forget toxic heart!
severe coral
I'm pre-golem
barren nacelle
+50% sickness
severe coral
But yes that can add to the levels of straight re
(100% (Default) + 50% (Toxic Heart) + 50% (Evergreen Gin) + 25% (Corrosive Spine)) * 2 (Weak to Sickness) * 2.75 (Irradiated by Corrosive Spine and with Scions Curio)
1237.5% effectiveness
dull heart
no
severe coral
Oh?
dull heart
irradiated is additive
pulsar cobalt
no its *3
grave geyser
(100% (Default) + 50% (Toxic Heart) + 50% (Evergreen Gin) + 25% (Corrosive Spine...
iradiated is a + like everything else
severe coral
Ok so uhh...
dull heart
50 * 2 * (1 + 1.75 + 0.5)
all debuff boosters except natural weakness/resistance are additive to each other
severe coral
2 from weakness, 1.75 from... Curio?
dull heart
Increases its sickness debuff multiplier from 2x to 2.75x
this wiki link is not really right
severe coral
fuuuck
dull heart
now they're all just additive +100%
severe coral
I mean kinda fair but also >:'(
I love my debuffs
Irradiated normally adds 100% but Scions changes it to 175% got it
SO
My summoner buddy, Pre-Golem...
Let's say 10 minion slots
grave geyser
oh wait are you using sage poison
dull heart
25 viral sprout dps per slot?
grave geyser
that only gets 25% of natural weakness
grave geyser
no its definitely both
severe coral
What
grave geyser
if it wasnt both analev would have exploded when I used it
barren nacelle
what was that
dull heart
And also lame
it's far cooler than the alternative
which is it being unviable on golem and aureus
and only viable on levi/ana
grave geyser
and only viable on levi/ana
I mean it would also be viable on duke empress and ml
but yes
dull heart
true
severe coral
I just think the small item-specific exceptions are kind of bs
dull heart
as a whole the system needs to just be reduced in power
severe coral
Like how basically all PML bosses take %s of damage against weapons that would normally be great against them
dull heart
or be removed entirely
dull heart
well, specifically weakness/resistance on enemies
types would still exist for boosters and burrower and such
grave geyser
Like how basically all PML bosses take %s of damage against weapons that would n...
this is like
super necessary
thanatos would either explode to half the weapon roster or take virtually zero damage from the other half
severe coral
this is like
super necessary
thanatos would either explode to half the weapon r...
Idk then either tweak the weapons in some other way or give him like triple the health
dull heart
like dragon rage does what, 40% dmg?
severe coral
It seems so...
grave geyser
trippling the health does the second problem
severe coral
idk
dull heart
Idk then either tweak the weapons in some other way or give him like triple the ...
triple his health and now nothing but those items can kill thanatos
grave geyser
where anything that doesnt melt him is just ass against him
severe coral
Ok then don't use them idk
dull heart
DoG doesn't need resistances as bad as thanatos because of his segment DR
severe coral
I wouldn't want to use Arataxia anyways
pulsar cobalt
ok but now u have like 6 items that u have to use on thanatos now
dull heart
imo segment DR is like the best way to balance worms out
specifically the not-100%-dr
grave geyser
like dragon rage does what, 40% dmg?
35%
and it still kills him in like 30 seconds flat
dull heart
yeah
severe coral
Dragon Rage would be wildly more balanced if it didn't summon like a billion splash damage projectiles
grave geyser
and then on non worms if they get a resist its usually because that weapon was a warcrime on that boss in particular
severe coral
It still deals an insanely higher amount of damage than all other Post-Yharon items
Regardless of target cuz it's "True Melee"
dull heart
it also can't hit the bosses normally
so it needs that dmg to balance it out
if it didn't do so much damage it would be entirely useless
grave geyser
and then on non worms if they get a resist its usually because that weapon was a...
see: the very likely soon to exist profaned partisan resist on provi
because that definitely qualifies as a warcrime
severe coral
it also can't *hit* the bosses normally
Yeah the problem of items being poopoo on certain bosses already exists so what gives
fierce hearth
Having weapons with specialized roles is what makes them fun and unique. I don't mind if some weapons are braindead obvious choices for certain targets as long as they aren't completely polarizing (which tripling a boss' hp to remove weapon specific DR would do)
dull heart
^
severe coral
Having weapons with specialized roles is what makes them fun and unique. I don't...
Exaaactly
dull heart
resists are the best way to get that system
severe coral
Thanatos 8MHP
dull heart
if we didnt' have reisist it wouldn't be just specialized roles
it would be you must use this weapon
fierce hearth
Yeah precisely
grave geyser
I wonder what the funniest case of a resist removal would be at this point
severe coral
That's better than spamming a single weapon the whole time I think
grave geyser
probably corrinth or drage
fierce hearth
Dragon Pow being the obvious Thantos killer is fine because it's not the only way to kill Thanatos
dull heart
That's better than spamming a single weapon the whole time I think
optimally you don't
so
well, ignore orderbringer
grave geyser
very few weapons are good on all 3 exos
severe coral
well, ignore orderbringer
💀_ _
fierce hearth
Weapons being unbalanced in a way that's fun and engaging! Wowie
grave geyser
the only ones rn are like orderbringer and hdrs
dull heart
orderbringer is just super broken
fierce hearth
Asymmetry!
severe coral
hdrs?
dull heart
hyperdeath rift scepter
severe coral
what
fierce hearth
Tainted orderbringer my beloved(?)
grave geyser
renamed deathail staff
severe coral
oh
grave geyser
it turns exos to ash
severe coral
Fuckin renames 😭
dull heart
it's so funny how good HDRS is on exos
fierce hearth
It's fun bc it can also be used as a support weapon if you don't like the m2
grave geyser
dull heart
dog proving he'd wipe the floor with exos in a fight
severe coral
No offense but how do matchups that unbalanced slip through testing
grave geyser
the funny
dull heart
No offense but how do matchups that unbalanced slip through testing
because it was tested on Yharon mostly
grave geyser
and didnt do magic damage
dull heart
and bugged on release
grave geyser
it was not this strong pre bugfix
fierce hearth
I liked using HDRS as a pocket button while primarily using MoI as my primary damage
Since the m1 portal stays open after swapping weapons
dull heart
HDRS is like, pretty balanced on yharon
grave geyser
rn I believe the exos speedkill for this patch is like, 48 seconds using hdrs for 2/3 of the mechs
grave geyser
HDRS is like, pretty balanced on yharon
doze it gets sub 3 fym
dull heart
oh
did the bugfix give it the ability to crit and it didn't before
that'd make sense
grave geyser
oops
grave geyser
did the bugfix give it the ability to crit and it didn't before
I mean pointer got it under 3m before the bugfix so lol
dull heart
yeah but that's pointer being silly
fierce hearth
Lmao
severe coral
Does HDRS not lose a lot of damage on hit with enemies?
grave geyser
its subject to pierce resist yeah
fierce hearth
I also realized I messed up things in my brain and was referring to a different weapon sorry for contributing less than 0 information to the conversation
dull heart
yeah
grave geyser
yeah
dull heart
yes
zealous ruin
Add jojos things for next update 😜
severe coral
Add jojos things for next update 😜
True
fierce hearth
Some weapons do experience pierce falloff but not all
dull heart
can't wait for ToE critting to be busted
grave geyser
anytime you think balance should be really simple you get shit like this
dull heart
actually ToE is going from no crits to all crits
severe coral
Some weapons do experience pierce falloff but not all
Yeah devs are high if they want HDRS to bypass pierce resist
dull heart
yeah it doesn't
severe coral
Yeah lol
grave geyser
anytime you think balance should be really simple you get shit like this
I like how this is relatively balanced besides the part where provi just fucking dies
severe coral
Am I the only one who's like a complete psycho about the debuff system and loves the fuck out of it???
fierce hearth
Is pierce resistance going to apply to most high-pierce weapons or is it gonna be very selective
dull heart
Am I the only one who's like a complete psycho about the debuff system and loves...
I like it but it's overtuned rn
but like
lyric trellis
I like how this is relatively balanced besides the part where provi just fucking...
Guards and Folly?
dull heart
it'll probably die
grave geyser
Guards and Folly?
1:15 isnt thaaat bad
fierce hearth
I think it's nice flavor but it's ultimately just kind of weird in how it affects balance
severe coral
I wouldn't really say overtuned, just wrongly tuned
dull heart
no it's very overtuned
severe coral
I'd love for it to be exactly as viable as, say, a regular damage build
dull heart
to the point we need to make debuff weapons mostly ignore the system for them to be viable
lyric trellis
1:15 isnt thaaat bad
SSSS time vs pathetic high S time
severe coral
Rn it's definitely better in certain situations but I don't want it to just die and be forgotten forever and debuffs are never an option again
grave geyser
to the point we need to make debuff weapons mostly ignore the system for them to...
slagfire douser prior to becoming exempt from weak/res just casually doing whatever the fuck it did
fierce hearth
It's supposed to be based on logic but progression and weapon tiers are not designed at all with boss order at all so it ends up making balance really random with debuffs
lyric trellis
Lmao
dull heart
Rn it's definitely better *in certain situations* but I don't want it to just di...
Debuff weakness and resistance dying does not mean debuffs become bad
If anything it means they can become better
severe coral
It's kind of like 1.4.5 summoner imo
lyric trellis
Debuff weakness and resistances really falls apart when you look at how many things are actually weak to stuff that isn’t sickness or fire
severe coral
There's like a very loud minority of features introduced in the debuff system that make all of it insane
grave geyser
the biggest losers of weak/res dying are items like magma stone that massively benefit from its continued existance
severe coral
Like the fact that almost all amplifications are multiples of 25%
fierce hearth
Especially with instances like Plantera unlocking a bunch of plant/poison themed stuff, but the bosses immediately after her are all poison resistant, so the weapons need to have special balance considerations because of the debuff system
pulsar cobalt
slagfire douser prior to becoming exempt from weak/res just casually doing whate...
im sure most of pre hm being weak to fire wont be a problem
grave geyser
fierce hearth
dull heart
Like the fact that almost all amplifications are multiples of 25%
That's actually not an issue
dull heart
It's specifically the fact that the system is entirely matchup specific
severe coral
ah
dull heart
Which is why I said weaknesses and resistances are likely to die
severe coral
So the 50%/200% system of NPC-specific resistances/weaknesses?
dull heart
The system as a whole won't
severe coral
Ahh
grave geyser
chaos stone holding vodka hostage and preventing any of the other typeless debuffs from being allowed a real synergy
severe coral
Yeah no I'm just Post-Plantera and slightly dreading Golem and Deus knowing they're resistant to this whole setup I just made
dull heart
Go my glaive shred
fierce hearth
Yeah that specific aspect is what makes balance weird and probably needs to go because to make it unintrusive to balance would require it to be lessened to a point where including it at all comes into question
dull heart
Blazing Star shred is 240 dps just saying
lyric trellis
Instead of removing the resistance and weaknesses, it’s time to readd 5x effectiveness for weaknesses
severe coral
Yeah but I'm doing ranged and a bit of a purist
severe coral
Except for summon because the game just gives me free slots so like 🤷♂️
grave geyser
Instead of removing the resistance and weaknesses, it’s time to readd 5x effecti...
and bring back sulph poison rbp? of course
fierce hearth
Hey can we bring back class proficiency
severe coral
Where's my 3 free minion slots and 250% knockback for existing
lyric trellis
and bring back sulph poison rbp? of course
Can’t believe that was real
severe coral
Instead of removing the resistance and weaknesses, it’s time to readd 5x effecti...
No fucking way I gotta check this
tf you mean...
fierce hearth
Sulphur poison "rbp"?
severe coral
RE add?
severe coral
Also uhh I never even did the calculation for how much dps my buddy is gonna have for his Spirit Sages
fierce hearth
Holy fuck
severe coral
Who tf
dull heart
Daybreak with slime gun on moon lord was 8000 dps from debuffs
severe coral
Was that a Fabsol thing
grave geyser
I mean it was during fabsol era
severe coral
Who dun it
grave geyser
idk if it was his idea
severe coral
I need to know who specifically
fierce hearth
Fluffy what does rbp mean...
severe coral
I will do 5x damage to them for such egregious balance
dull heart
Fluffy what does rbp mean...
Rusty Beacon Prototype
lapis oak
Fluffy what does rbp mean...
instakilling organic npcs Rusty Beacon Prototype
fierce hearth
Oh my god
dull heart
I miss RBP doing 10 seconds wall of flesh
fierce hearth
That's fucking hilarious
dull heart
I miss daybreak evaporating moon lord more though
severe coral
Someone needs to find out who had that idea PLEASE
urban cloak
instakilling organic npcs Rusty Beacon Prototype
forgot this was an npc classification
severe coral
Auric rebuke would deal uhh 70kdps to Ares with that btw so ML ain't even the funniest I just know that it's still OP off the top of my head
grave geyser
I miss daybreak evaporating moon lord more though
god daybroken was so funny
imagine if they had made celled a sickness
dull heart
I have considered making celled sickness
fierce hearth
Hey remember the single use boss cleaver weapons
dull heart
if we kill debuff weakness/resistance I probably will
fierce hearth
Why the fuck did those exist
dull heart
they were peak
urban cloak
old calamity was a different time
severe coral
I have considered making celled sickness
It's funny cuz I have the Hollow Knight resource pack and it's the Infected Cell Staff and the item sprite is a little Radiance
grave geyser
Hey remember the single use boss cleaver weapons
elephant killer?
urban cloak
best not to question it
grave geyser
it was peak
severe coral
You should make Celled
Electric
Because I like Electric
And the cells look like little lightning balls
:3
And Electric is starved rn
fierce hearth
I remember when I played it was before I really understood the mod and just found the bazooka baffling
Of course I still used it
urban cloak
everything that's not fire is starved im ngl
fierce hearth
But it was so strange to me
fierce hearth
The fire bias is real
severe coral
It's swollen rn
urban cloak
go my 30+ dots
lyric trellis
Electric will be saved with gift in 2.1.3…
grave geyser
Electric will be saved with gift in 2.1.3…
gift's second ever time of being meta
severe coral
Tbf it's really easy to just make a new debuff with a new colour of fire (optional new colour go my 10 brimstone debuffs) and call it a day
urban cloak
i mean yeah thats probably what happened
lyric trellis
gift's second ever time of being meta
This is a better record that a lot of things
severe coral
Like wtf other types of electric or cold or water themed debuffs
"Frostbite 2"
Doesn't exactly y'know
It's not as cool
little stream
Is yharon gonna be the last boss added to calamity or will there be more stuff inbetween him?
urban cloak
dot is the easiest debuff to make
fabsol gets the idea to make an elemental system that buffs certain types of dot debuffs cause thats all there is
we are here
severe coral
Is yharon gonna be the last boss added to calamity or will there be more stuff i...
Multiple reworks/retiers inbound
lapis oak
yes Yharon will be the last boss ever
urban cloak
lovely evolution
little stream
yes Yharon will be the last boss ever
aw man
urban cloak
Is yharon gonna be the last boss added to calamity or will there be more stuff i...
did you mean yharim
little stream
thats prob why hes taking so long no?
severe coral
tbf
little stream
ohhhhh
severe coral
Since I started modding I realized all the devs have to do is take a currently fire debuff and just resprite and reword it and tadaa it's not fire
little stream
I keep getting their names mixed up
severe coral
Like there's absolutely no real connection between DoG and fire
urban cloak
and yes he's the only boss planned rn we don't plan on any other new ones
severe coral
DoG could totally use cold debuffs since he's from an alternate dimension
And it might be really cold there
Or he might carry foreign contagions and GSI could be a sickness
little stream
and yes he's the only boss planned rn we don't plan on any other new ones
Alr cool cant wait to fight him when he drops
lyric trellis
shield of the ocean 🥀
Got reworked in SSO!
dusk bronze
I keep getting their names mixed up
lyric trellis
Got reworked in SSO!
Maybe you can find it if you dig through the files
dusk bronze
yhar dragon
true..
tropic jolt
yeah my name is ron
"yharon? i'll remember that name..."
lapis oak
Got reworked in SSO!
are you sure
barren nacelle
He's called Yharon because he's Yhar-on top
dusk bronze
DoG could totally use cold debuffs since he's from an alternate dimension
voidfrost is already the endgame cold debuff
severe coral
There could be more :)
urban cloak
you have enough dots
severe coral
It could be water-based or anything I'm just throwing out ideas
severe coral
you have enough dots
False nuke
urban cloak
dog also has like no theming so idk what you'd throw on it in its current state
severe coral
Anything
urban cloak
would be a better consideration for when we redesign him
dusk bronze
It could be water-based or anything I'm just throwing out ideas
hadopelagic pressure
dusk bronze
throws them back
urban cloak
False nuke
every debuff in this mod is dot you dont need anymore
severe coral
killing yuo
dusk bronze
severe coral
I'm absolutely not
rotund venture
The brainstrom rework is so incredibly well done
severe coral
Big purple worm that gets bigger and purpler every update really pisses me off
dusk bronze
these worms are pissing me off
severe coral
Call me Mithrix the way I don't love worms
rotund venture
Very likely to remain a big purple worm tho? Thats like what dog is?
lyric trellis
Ngl Im gonna be sad to see current dog go
This is like when 7 years old get sad about the sun exploding in several billion years
severe coral
It can be so much more
rotund venture
Anyway I was talking about the fight itself
urban cloak
he'd remain a segmented enemy mechanically but it'd be nice to see him redesigned to look more alien
rotund venture
Fights really good now
severe coral
Anyway I was talking about the fight itself
I'm not a fan in the slightest but I've said my piece already
urban cloak
the terraria worm with mandibles design gets boring after a while and dog has a lot of potential to be something different
severe coral
potential 💔
urban cloak
nothing is set in stone yet tho obviously so Plans For The Future
severe coral
Soon™
rotund venture
The new laser walls attack is fucking fantastic so I really hope that stays
Could move it to thanatos
severe coral
Yeah that's the one part I actually like more
lyric trellis
DoG is about to be the last boss reworked before yharim lmao
urban cloak
honestly might not even be wrong
urban cloak
why did you spoiler it
dull heart
This is like when 7 years old get sad about the sun exploding in several billion...
I still do this
severe coral
That's just what I do
barren nacelle
Let me join and redesign dog into a horse of sorts
severe coral
When ||Horrible Hog|| is released the blood is on your hands
dusk bronze
why did you spoiler it
because it's horrible
rotund venture
Doze keep the curent version of laser walls in the mod and Ill give you 650$
urban cloak
the blood will indeed be on my hands considering im programming it
dull heart
Why does discord have a discord shop wishlist now what
severe coral
Why does discord have a discord shop wishlist now what
Money
lyric trellis
Let me join and redesign dog into a horse of sorts
Cnidrion final form
frozen horizon
Erm, outdated Yharim 🤓
severe coral
?
dusk bronze
that one's also outdated 
severe coral
Looks about the same
frozen horizon
that one's also outdated <:XD:936106628833488906>
Wait then what's not outdated?
dusk bronze
nothing!!!
severe coral
It looks basically exactly the same actually
open garden
didnt realize that was a loincloth at first and thought yharim's thigh gap was insane
dusk bronze
😭
open garden
body teaa 🫖
frozen horizon
It looks basically exactly the same actually
New(er) one looks like a hobbit.
rotund venture
Wait then what's not outdated?
Things that got reworked in brainstorm 
dusk bronze
yes
lyric trellis
Lizhard yharim
frozen horizon
Why didn't Yharim use an Obsidian Skin Potion
Need a version of this gif with Yharim and Draedon.
severe coral
Draedon telling Yharim he can just kill everyone he doesn't like
urban cloak
yharim was probably doing that before he met draedon thats not new info
lyric trellis
How it feels to kill people
severe coral
Nah he put them in the dungeon
lyric trellis
They definitely lived there
severe coral
250 (10 Sage Spirits) * (175% (Corrosive Spine + Scions Curio) + 100% (Weakness) + 50% (Evergreen Gin) + 25% (Corrosive Spine)) * 125% (Reduced Amplification Effectiveness)
dull heart
Why didn't Yharim use an Obsidian Skin Potion
If it was crags lava then that wouldn't work
severe coral
This is correct I think?
dull heart
250 (10 Sage Spirits) * (175% (Corrosive Spine + Scions Curio) + 100% (Weakness)...
Not quite, times by 125% because x25% is x0.25
Also why is there a +100% for weakness in there
severe coral
There what about that
severe coral
Also why is there a +100% for weakness in there
If an enemy is weak to sickness
Right?
rotund venture
Add the pbg item
severe coral
I'm Pre-Golem
rotund venture
Another 50% sickness buff
severe coral
I'll do that later
rotund venture
Ah nvm then
severe coral
ey
dull heart
250 * (1 + 1.75 + 0.5 + 0.25) * 1.25
If the enemy is sickness weak
If they're resist instead do
250 * (1 + 1.75 + 0.5 + 0.25) * 0.875
severe coral
Waiiit
dull heart
Sage Poison only gets 25% of the effect of both weakness and resistance
severe coral
So Sage Poison gets full benefits from item effects?
dull heart
yes
severe coral
Since that's separate from the weakness and resistance system OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
dull heart
it's just weakness and resistance
rotund venture
I love the whole elemental system
severe coral
Excellent
rotund venture
Too bad fire has a gorillion things and everything else doesnt
severe coral
Sickness is (as you can see) a very good contender
And sickness has its unique gimmick of usually reducing contact damage
dull heart
1093.75 DPS on weak enemies
765.6 DPS on non weak enemies
severe coral
yummers
rotund venture
Those are absurd numbers for pre golem
severe coral
I mean not too much
rotund venture
On a friggin debuff
severe coral
Since the item is kind of ass without it
dull heart
the sages do damage besides it so
It is a lot
But it also is taking every accessory slot you got lol
severe coral
Yeah if I was using another summon with a damage build it'd probably be about on par
rotund venture
Isnt it just curio and spine?
dull heart
Realistically most people won't use scion
severe coral
It's just more fun
severe coral
Isnt it just curio and spine?
For now
dull heart
Isnt it just curio and spine?
And the 10 slots
So you need the summoner accessories still
rotund venture
Oh right summoner
dull heart
You should see Virid Vanguard on yharon it's so funny
severe coral
I think it's funny that the alcohols are where most of the debuff effects landed
dull heart
And then amalgam
dull heart
Amalgam + gin = 3.5x dmg from additives
rotund venture
Amalgam is avlctually busted ngl
severe coral
Amalgam my beloved
rotund venture
I was melting exos with it
dull heart
It was even more before amalgam nerf
severe coral
Oh yeah 300%
rotund venture
Btw when electric debuff booster item?
dull heart
severe coral
Ignition Tank headass
severe coral
Btw when electric debuff booster item?
When Electric has more than like 4 debuffs
Which hint hint wink wink
Early-HM electric flamethrower would be sexy
rotund venture
I know yharims gift is gonna apply auric rebuke
But das not the same as a boosting item
severe coral
I know yharims gift is gonna apply auric rebuke
Dude it's not even funny
You can deal like almost 30kdps to Ares with debuffs
rotund venture
Seems agreeable
severe coral
Idk if you saw my rant in the patreon chat but I was mathing hard
I think I don't even care how effective debuffs are I just love all the numbers
rotund venture
I did backread but I mostly skimmed evrything
severe coral
It's like RoR2's proc system
There's just
So many numbers I can look at and experiment with
rotund venture
I wouldnt call them ineffective really
severe coral
That's the best part
severe coral
Not even that much and it's super nice
rotund venture
On my most recent playthrough I had amalgam+devils devastation shred ares
severe coral
Dude WHAT is with the DD item line I used it and thought it was ass
Ig I just... swung it wrong or some shit cuz I hated the reworks, all of em
rotund venture
You need to use the right click properly
severe coral
No I did
rotund venture
It works ridiculously well against enemies with multiple segments
Since you can stick several of them and get 3-6 swings
Stupid high damage
Great for crowds as well
severe coral
750 (15 Vanguard Blades) * (100% (Default) + 200% (The Amalgam) + 175% (Scions Curio + Corrosive Spine) + 50% (Evergreen Gin) + 50% (Toxic Heart) + 25% (Corrosive Spine)) * 1.25 (Reduced Weakness) = 5625DoT
Yummers
WAIT
DUDE
That's like
100% stackable with Auric Rebuke I'm actually sobbing into my pillow tonight
severe coral
Yeah no lemme forward this
With a mildly developed debuff build (The Oracle/Kingsbane/Void Vortex, The Amalgam, Hellfire Treads, Diamond of the Deep, Tequila, and Fireball) deal...
5152.5DPS per entity (If you're lucky, you can inflict an extra 720 if you can hit something with the Diamond of the Deep's Void Spirit)
So take off Fireball and Gin since they conflict...
rotund venture
Thats before weaknesses too right?
severe coral
I don't remember hold on I'm doing crystal math rn
The Oracle, Virid Vanguard, The Amalgam, Hellfire Treads, Scions Curio, Toxic Heart, Corrosive Spine...
barren nacelle
Is there a full version of this image, I’m working on something dependent on it
severe coral
IT'S RANGED AND INFLICTS REBUKE
grave geyser
it doesnt have 100% rebuke uptime but it would work theoretically
severe coral
4 seconds, long enough to be op asf
grave geyser
can also replace one virid with viper engine with dryads tear/hyperius
rotund venture
What if you consistently let go just as it starts shooting? So youre only doing the auric bullets?
severe coral
What if you consistently let go just as it starts shooting? So youre only doing ...
This is the idea
Since you've specced so hard into debuffs with those accessories you'll probably not do well anyways
This is just for Fun™
What's hyperius do?
Just hit more targets?
barren nacelle
Is there a full version of this image, I’m working on something dependent on it
wiggles like a grub
rotund venture
wiggles like a grub
👏 squish
grave geyser
What's hyperius do?
viper only counts as ranged hits on split projectiles
but hyperius's intended usecase is damage amplification
barren nacelle
EEUGH
severe coral
but hyperius's intended usecase is damage amplification
Oh so like god slayer slugs when they resummon or something they can turn into ranged damage- wait
You're using the kingsbane
So you'll already apply the bullet's debuff
So one CVE for GSI
You think I should add Diamond of The Deep?
I think that's a bit excessive
frail owl
meow
severe coral
I'm trying to stay somewhat reasonable
rotund venture
Does amalgam not apply gsi?
severe coral
The Oracle, Virid Vanguard, The Amalgam, Hellfire Treads, Scions Curio, Toxic He...
ALready got 5 debuff accessories
rotund venture
What debuffs is it?
severe coral
Amalgam is Daybreak
You know what
I'm gonna remove GSI since a CVE will only target 1 enemy the whole time
And no Diamond of the Deep
grave geyser
What debuffs is it?
daybroken plague vermillion flux nightwither crush depth
rotund venture
Thats 2nd strongets of each type right?
grave geyser
2nd strongest other than heat yeah
rotund venture
Holy flames, gsi, vuln hex?
grave geyser
second strongest heat would be vuln hex yeah lmao
rotund venture
Not second
grave geyser
I can only think of one stronger
rotund venture
Whats stronger than vuln hex thats heat specifically?
grave geyser
banishing fire
severe coral
150 Cold, 150 Water, 3746.875 Sickness, 4200 Electric, 350 Heat = 8596.875 (Take this with a rather sizeable grain of salt)
You can, with a reasonable debuff build, deal ~42984.375DPS to Ares
rotund venture
Sure that seems fair
Thats debuffs alone, how much are you doing with summons+weapons?
severe coral
Uh
Kingsbane with God Slayer Slugs and 15 Virid Vanguards
Oh that number also doesn't account for how much Irradiated would deal
So like you can just round up to 43k
🤷♂️_ _
Then round to 0 because you'll probably have only Wings and Asgardian Aegis as other accessories and you'll get assfucked
severe coral
Kingsbane deals like 5-10k??????
267 at 20RPS
Wait no
Idfk man
Let's just call it 20kdps with Kingsbane and Virid's actual damage
severe coral
60kdps on Ares alone, in Death Mode that's still sub minute
rotund venture
All of that just to be worse than pre-nerf star beam rye
severe coral
💀_ _
You wanna talk pre-nerf?
30second all mechs dead with 5x debuff vulnerability damage
200kdps
One
MILLION
debuffs
rotund venture
Wait what if you did scal first and had aflame on kingsbane?
grave geyser
30second all mechs dead with 5x debuff vulnerability damage
except not really because thanatos get trolled
severe coral
Means you can spec into cold way more
severe coral
except not really because thanatos get trolled
Yeah that's thanatos
grave geyser
anyway pre nerf star beam rye could do it in 17 :)
severe coral
fuuuck
grave geyser
anyway pre nerf star beam rye could do it in 17 :)
if you dont pre adren that is
if you pre adren its 1shot
severe coral
Wait what if you did scal first and had aflame on kingsbane?
Wow uhh
Idek like
An amount that makes me want to use words I can't on a public server
That's 1332*3.5 and you can stack that with the numbers I got with 0 consequences
Then per arm and on the body
23310dps
At this point idgaf
23k+43k+20k
rotund venture
66k once we add vuln hex 
severe coral
Like 80k maybe
rotund venture
Its fated
rotund venture
?? Thats what I said?
rotund venture
Why tf is absorber affliction 200 dps
severe coral
And then my friend can use Feral Bobber and Devourer of Cods
rotund venture
Thats so stupid like
severe coral
:3