looks a bit fun actually
#calamity-update-talk
west ledge
hopefully its strong asl
i mean the current CV staff doesnt feel that bad but maybe im on the tweak
grave geyser
oh it will be
fathom girder
current CV staff doesn't really know what it wants to be
west ledge
its gonna become a strong independant woman
fathom girder
the first video is its active I think
dull heart
i mean the current CV staff doesnt feel that bad but maybe im on the tweak
It's just boring and the right click makes no sense
The left click isn't bad it's just not good
west ledge
understandable
new CV staff looks cool anyway
im gonna try compare the highest dmg summons like u said to this build btw
what was u gonna tell me to use
1 endogenesis 1 temporal 2 hyperius and the rest just on void eater?
or is it 1 endo 1 temporal 2 ares
west ledge
i meant doze
fathom girder
o
west ledge
100k with 3 hyperius 1 ares 1 endogenesis and 1 temporal umbrella
idk if im doing sum wrong
300k max, doing half of what PSC + Flamsteed was
west ledge
Hyperius hilariously broken rn
what does this mean
devs boutta put the kaibosh on it 😔
thorn pier
what does this mean
hyperius overflow work with other weapons
west ledge
isnt that supposed to be the case
thorn pier
meaning if u use a slow and hard hitting weapons its guaranteed double dmg
west ledge
west ledge
meaning if u use a slow and hard hitting weapons its guaranteed double dmg
2.2x dmg
ye
thorn pier
i havent found it really great with fast shooting weapons
fathom girder
it's really funny with soma prime
thorn pier
soma prime is endgame who cares about that stuff
fathom girder
we're discussing endgame rn
fathom girder
IIIIIIIIIIIIIII thought the context was still endgame builds
thorn pier
oh right it is
thorn pier
anyway i doubt hyperius is gonna help with your summoner build
west ledge
with hyperius the dps is 600k with this loadout
fathom girder
a 2.2x multiplier to cosmic viper engine has to be pretty crazy
even though it's only post dog
thorn pier
if it works u should be seeing colored numbers
fathom girder
betcha the general stat flattening of endgame is why post DoG can even do anything rn
fathom girder
but i dont think hyperius even affects this enemy
who is deeps
tropic jolt
deeps
thorn pier
deerclops upgraded 
tropic jolt
that one roblox game
fathom girder
NO
thorn pier
oh its from roblco
west ledge
500k w/ no hyperius bllets
west ledge
with just 1 i get 600k nearly 700k
thorn pier
then run only 1 
dull heart
a 2.2x multiplier to cosmic viper engine has to be pretty crazy
no no no
It's a 2.2x mult to whatever
Not just the weapon using it
If anything it's much less on the weapon using it
dull heart
with hyperius the dps is 600k with this loadout
See if Tactical Plague Engine is better, I think it shoots more actual bullets so it might be better
west ledge
alr
dull heart
so is it gonna get nerfed
Bugfixed
thorn pier
does that mean only other projectiles wont work or
west ledge
its a bug that it works on everything?
dull heart
it's supposed to be a 1.2x mult to Hyperius' Overflow amount
dull heart
The bug is that other things are not capped
Hitting with Gilded Proboscis does the full 1.2x Prob dmg, not capped at the Overflow amount
thorn pier
its a bug that it works on everything?
yeah it gets too silly like the overflow dealing 100k dmg on its own
dull heart
It's supposed to be capped at Overflow amount
thorn pier
and then we'll forget about hyperius bullets once more
fathom girder
It's a 2.2x mult to whatever
wait wtf
Okay I really need to stop talking then I keep whiffin' lmao
fathom girder
It's a "congrats you did it" color
thorn pier
sometimes its yellow
dull heart
oh ok
thorn pier
this kinda looks yellow
west ledge
btw seems cosmic viper does do better
dull heart
ok
west ledge
they both do round the same though
just cve seems to have a bit higher on avg
I should get universe splitter im just too lazy to get this
thorn pier
I should get universe splitter im just too lazy to get this
oh hey universe splitter with hyperius 👀
west ledge
yh
gonna get it from a diff character
just wanna see if with this i can break 1 million dps
young notch
Just defeated the three rune bosses and decided to take a peek at DoG's rework
I'm already in love. Made it to the second phase before logging out cuz I still wanna do Polterghast first like normal, but man I'm pumped
earnest jewel
Just defeated the three rune bosses and decided to take a peek at DoG's rework
'Tis not called the rune. Guards, seize them!
misty island
When will it be updated with bigger and Boulder?
dull heart
I should get universe splitter im just too lazy to get this
its pretty easy to get
just wulfrum lure in cavern and throw some auric ore around
or use oracle
west ledge
is chill
ill keep it in mind for the next playthrough whenever that is
for now though this is the end cuz i beat boss rush with my friend and thats all we wanted to do
which is kinda sad cuz calamity is fun
rough ruin
I'm already in love. Made it to the second phase before logging out cuz I still ...
Best fight of calamity🔥
west ledge
next on our agenda is schedule I tho
strange cargo
Horrible hog tommorow
misty island
When will it be updated with bigger and Boulder??
hasty tangle
when tmod does it
earnest jewel
Don't spam.
misty island
Oh ok thank you
rough ruin
It happens when it happens
severe coral
still cobalt
Horrible
tropic jolt
begone beast
dusk bronze
beastly boar
hot isle
@blazing field calamity mod
tropic jolt
😭 ???
blazing field
<@1456518029675593773> calamity mod
calamity mod
rough ruin
it can't even shoot at my mouse cursor
What weapon is this🤔
hot isle
calamity mod
worldly frost
cabamity
lyric trellis
It’s peak
dull heart
What weapon is this🤔
void concentration staff
rough ruin
void concentration staff
Character must not be concentrating hard enough then🙏
worldly frost
void concentration staff
i thought the staff summoned an aura around the player?? did they change it
pulsar cobalt
doze is working on a rework right now
dull heart
i thought the staff summoned an aura around the player?? did they change it
right clikc
dull heart
doze is working on a rework right now
that image has nothing to do with reworking it
it's just that i had it in my inventory and noticed that lol
pulsar cobalt
oh lol
rough ruin
doze is working on a rework right now
Very cool
dull heart
i am working on one, that's just not the reason
rough ruin
Correlation doesn't imply causation or smth along those lines
polar tide
meow!
blazing field
Calamity Mod
blazing field
me with my device
frank knoll
clams
fathom girder
https://tenor.com/view/cat-licking-popsicle-gif-3122588929262013745
blows the sicle up
💥
late eagle
https://tenor.com/view/cat-licking-popsicle-gif-3122588929262013745
NO PLEASE HE'S MY COUSIN STOP IT
HE'S GOING TO MELT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
wise bolt
fathom girder
woa
young notch
Did Old Duke get any significant changes in Brainstorm? Just fought him and it wasn't as miserable as I remembered, it was actually a cool fight
distant raft
new vfx
rough ruin
I also actually used a ram dash this time so that helped
Ram dash is nice for all the fishron-esque bosses
Or just anything that loves charging at you
young notch
Last playthrough I didn't know that was a thing until DoG
I'll also say that I've really been enjoying the Spectre Wings, even over higher-tiered wings, including post-ML.
The vertical acceleration on them allows for such good flight control while not going overboard with max speed
pulsar cobalt
why not just use celestial starboard and boost with them
young notch
You misunderstand
rough ruin
I'll also say that I've really been enjoying the Spectre Wings, even over higher...
It's the nice thing about all the wings, so many of them are very unique in what they offer and so people have alot of options to pick one to suit them best
pulsar cobalt
boost gives vertical acceleration
pretty sure its actually slower if u constantly boost
snow moth
Acceleration and max speed are very different things
are the new wing stats public info
sorry let me be more precise since I'm in public
Are the new upgrades to wing stat tooltips to make all the stats far more clear, public info
pulsar cobalt
do you mean people know the exact differences between the wings? yes. is it clear ingame? not really
snow moth
yeah ok we fixed that
not sure when we'll release it but wing tooltips are like 10x better now
young notch
I found them really helpful already
Didn't realize there were plans to make them even more detailed
pulsar cobalt
this was pinned for a while but i think it was removed alongside other bs related pins because its been a month now
young notch
boost gives vertical acceleration
The innate high acceleration of the Spectre Wings is really good when you want more control of your flight, especially if you're using it in short bursts. Holding UP in those instances is inconvenient, and would actually be detrimental cuz of the board's higher max speed so it'd be easy to overshoot.
pulsar cobalt
if u overshoot u can hover to instantly stop vertical movement
runic fable
The board allowing you to hover makes it very easy to control your vertical position.
young notch
Valid, it's just awkward for me
All those extra inputs when the spectre wings are already really cozy
runic fable
Competely fair. I can see why someone would struggle with that, it is an unintuitive set of inputs. I've just played around with those wings so much it's basically second nature.
Besides, it's a secret benefit to any weapon or accessory if it requires less focus.
Even if it's objectively worse in most regards, having more of your attention on just dodging instead of aiming or making weird inputs will help.
young notch
Ye!
dull heart
Yeah that's the thing
Starboard is the strongest movement accessory in the game with no real competition
but it also has a very very very high skill ceiling to obtain that
grave geyser
Starboard is the strongest movement accessory in the game with no real competiti...
I still think its plainly worse than wings of rebirth tbh
young notch
I do like WoR but I am not there yet
fathom girder
I still think its plainly worse than wings of rebirth tbh
for pure rungodding absolutely
starboard has an insane amount of control
lyric trellis
Well thankfully only one of the two bosses on tier is pure rungodding
stuck kite
Didn't realize there were plans to make them even more detailed
more or less the same but more casual friendly
no shift
young notch
Oh cool!
rotund venture
Yooo that is so much cleaner
stuck kite
HI
lapis oak
HIIIII
stuck kite
mayb
lapis oak
👋
dusty tinsel
Hello
dusty tinsel
Rude
lapis oak
I'm sending you the imposter
steel pike
Hi
lean relic
Today I learned that throwing Slime crown into shimmer will cause to start the Slime rain
dusk bronze
what
deft lily
?
barren nacelle
deft lily
win
lapis oak
Today I learned that throwing Slime crown into shimmer will cause to start the S...
cool
if the Slime Rain is ever used for anything I guess I can do that
obtuse hawk
what do the numbers below the vertical acceleration part mean
dull heart
how much the vertical acceleration is
stuck kite
vertical acceleration at 3 different points of player movement
dusty tinsel
I'm sending you the imposter
I eat imposters
For breakfast lunch and dinner
And snacks
arctic cliff
I eat imposters
the imposter upon realizing they are being sent to someone who regularly eats imposters:
sturdy thistle
Post scal mage is
Slightly stronk
grave geyser
its peak I fear
teal bone
An unknown factor--
terse dew
the imposter upon realizing they are being sent to someone who regularly eats im...
Ah! Amongualus
😁
grave geyser
4
dull heart
ok
That's what I was thinking
merry christmas
Mutilator with Legendary is about -76.7% cooldown before melee speed lol
lol
grave geyser
no
dusk bronze
it's crasher rn
dusk bronze
why is claret there twice
dull heart
Because it fits into both categories
Disgorger and Lacerator can't be measured per use
But claret and Flare can
they also have fixed speeds not effected by gear, so they can go in the first category too
summer shore
is it possible to make the blood orbs give better feedback for what they're doing
like they're doing something but it doesn't feel like/it's not obvious that they are
frozen horizon
Is that Evil Wires?
desert garnet
i think thats enough
desert garnet
Is that Evil Wires?
but on the other hand
they could say smth about brewing pots with them
desert garnet
ah
yea
they could say smth
cuz you cant check what you can make from the cores ingame without recipe browser
before making them
summer shore
Not those either
desert garnet
bruh
summer shore
I'm talking about the blood orbs you can collect from using the bloodstone weapons
You know like the thing they were talking about in this channel
lean relic
is it possible to make the blood orbs give better feedback for what they're doin...
should we wait until lore writers add lore description to blood orbs
summer shore
are you fr
lean relic
yes
polar tide
I FUCKING LOVE ULTRAKILL IM GONNA SCREAM AND THROW UP
brittle escarp
I FUCKING LOVE ULTRAKILL IM GONNA SCREAM AND THROW UP
that seems like it would be bad for you
dull heart
like they're doing something but it doesn't feel like/it's not obvious that they...
I mean it says in the tooltips what they do and it's pretty obvious when you pick them up how your healing timer accelerates
you can literally see it jump forward whenever you pick one up
Idk what more they'd do
summer shore
Idk I don't see it move at all until I pick up a ton of them
Is each orb like 0.1 second of timer or smth
cinder hearth
@summer shore
tribal isle
I FUCKING LOVE ULTRAKILL IM GONNA SCREAM AND THROW UP
I’m kinda indifferent to ultrakill
Haven’t played it since violence dropped
summer shore
In particular it was really hard to see the effect during a fight for me
It felt like using viscera during scal didn't do anything to help my situation
cinder hearth
It felt like using viscera during scal didn't do anything to help my situation
Yeah I think for like, charged attack ones you need to commit to using the weapon to see the benefits
Maybe claret cannon would be better for sporadic use
hot wadi
Haven’t played it since violence dropped
new layer/major update dropped, go play
pseudo vector
Haven’t played it since violence dropped
you've missed the ultra revamp, full arsenal and fraud
dusk bronze
you've missed the ultra revamp, full arsenal and fraud
what was ultra revamp
i've heard of it but idk what it is since i only played after fraud
blazing field
it was a graphic overhaul to basically the enntire game
alongside some other changes
dusk bronze
i see
pseudo vector
ultra revamp also added 0-E and 1-E
dusk bronze
oh that's probably what the old models in the museum were about
pseudo vector
the encore levels are fucking brutal dude
cunning sequoia
that one fucking room in 1-E with a mindflayer and 2 virtues
blazing field
i havent gotten to either of them
cunning sequoia
and NO FLOOR
dusk bronze
woe, 2 guttermen and a maurice be upon ye
blazing field
listened to the music tho bangers as always thanks mr heaven pierce her hakita
primal badge
the encore levels are fucking brutal dude
I can already dread the future encores having the Fraud enemies
blazing field
i cant awit for violence encore to have you fight 4 earthmovers at once
cunning sequoia
cant wait for encore fraud to have gabriel with 2 idoled powers
oh sorry
encore gluttony
dusk bronze
hell torture
primal badge
i cant awit for violence encore to have you fight 4 earthmovers at once
manually take control of an earthmover's javelin to destroy another earthmover
cunning sequoia
okay that would be fucking peak though
tired adder
hollow knight randos were visionary by introducing fighting bosses as regular enemies
cunning sequoia
hopping off them as they destroy themselves
primal badge
cant wait for encore fraud to have gabriel with 2 idoled powers
Radianced Gabriel too
cunning sequoia
it WOULD be funny if encore fraud put two gabriels in the power room instead
primal badge
I kinda doubt they'd reuse major bosses in encores
blazing field
8-E will have v2 show up after reconstructing himself but like tiso in hollow knight he'll then be squished by SUPER GUTTERMAN and thats the real boss
polar tide
ultrakill
tired adder
hollow knight randos were visionary by introducing fighting bosses as regular en...
...does ultrakill have enemy randomizer yet?
primal badge
8-E will have v2 show up after reconstructing himself but like tiso in hollow kn...
Would be actually fitting for Fraud
cunning sequoia
8-E will have v2 show up after reconstructing himself but like tiso in hollow kn...
god
it would be even funnier if it was like.
a green recolor of v2
blazing field
HYPER FILTH
tired adder
a green recolor of v2
green for an amazing reason
dusk bronze
or the actual boss was the rocket fucker from 7-1
pale minnow
doom 1>>> ultrakill
blazing field
or the actual boss was the rocket fucker from 7-1
that was a ferryman wasn't it
ferryman with a rocket launcher
that sounds fucked
cunning sequoia
i hate that guy
cunning sequoia
he killed me like 30 times
dusk bronze
something john
cunning sequoia
hes a guy from dusk isnt it
cinder hearth
ferryman with a rocket launcher
What if it plays badminton but with rockets instead of the normal thing and the oar instead of a racket
tired adder
big johninator
that's their name?
dusk bronze
peak
polar tide
i am passign away righ now but i liovove Ultrkail
cunning sequoia
he sucks i hate him
cinder hearth
that's their name?
cunning sequoia
i cant believe our friend carny griffin is dead
polar tide
not my nameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
polar tide
STOP
blazing field
hehe this is just like that one time i was a calamity developer
polar tide
STOP ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
earnest jewel
hehe this is just like that one time i was a calamity developer
So YOU are the one behind Old Duke!
tired adder
once upon a time
a big alicorn visited abbey of true gun
and found a bullet, that is old
and thought "what if I make iconic boss in my game old"
wise bolt
cinder hearth
Draedon has kiphosis.... How sad!
polar tide
desert garnet
...does ultrakill have enemy randomizer yet?
there is a mod but with the amount of ultrakill enemies, it isnt that fun
steady sun
high lion
Where in the world are people reading about dragonfolly and evil 2 bosses swapping places???
halcyon seal
It’s a change planned to happen at some point in the future
Several devs have confirmed it
high lion
Would you be getting aerialite from dragonfolly then?
fathom girder
Something like that yeah
regal lodge
Question, when the final boss for the calamity mod does get added sometime way later down the line, how do you guys think he will stack up to the numerous addon bosses from wotg and the like
solemn crest
It’s hard to say. As of now, afaik there is no info on his moveset like at all. Like he’s so far in the future that he’s not really a thought at this point
I’d hope it’d be as much of a spectacle as the addon bosses are but even if it’s not visually appealing, it’s somewhat safe to say (I think at least) that the moveset is gonna be really good
cinder hearth
Question, when the final boss for the calamity mod does get added sometime way l...
Considering the amazing work the devs have done with brain of Cthulhu and devourer of gods already, which IMO is already above a lot of add-on bosses, and those were simply reworks, which already constricted them to a certain design for the fight?
I have full faith that the final bosses of calamity will be amazing.
unique warren
Question, when the final boss for the calamity mod does get added sometime way l...
Really hard to say since at least the last two WotG bosses are essentially just fanmade versions of Noxus and Xeroc, which will likely also be added
So they’d be more comparable to those superbosses rather than Yharim I’d think?
cinder hearth
Really hard to say since at least the last two WotG bosses are essentially just ...
Used to be, but they've long since decide to start detaching themselves from the calamity identity
AOE isn't meant to be a fan made version of Noxus
unique warren
Well, regardless they stem from the same idea and seem to serve similar roles to Noxus and Xeroc in the future
Y’know, being superbosses with pretty limited rewards and all that
wise bolt
and you did not think to ping me...
azure oak
sorry i usually don't ping people
wise bolt
fair ya im pullin ur leg 
i should draw in game deus sometime, i'd love to if only i were able to draw objects effectively in 3d space
need to draw him looking tormented and miserable..
azure oak
and a little bit melted
deft lily
bubby ‼️
wise bolt
D:
love him but he's probably actively rotting away from the inside out as well as mentally, there is no doubt this thing is in agony most of the time
solemn crest
No bc the rot makes him feel nothing but joy and whimsy
wise bolt
gotta balance out all the cutesy stuff, yakno..
fierce nebula
🫧 🐠
azure oak
astrum deus is a crawling corpse with no free will
full quest
AoE from what I gather is just kind of like a former Nameless Deity
but dead
or something like that
azure oak
AoE aint canon
deft lily
AoE from what I gather is just kind of like a former Nameless Deity
erm wrong channel-
full quest
it isn't cannon
wise bolt
The rot makes you happy and at peace despite rotting away
its okay im projecting onto him 🙏
full quest
duh
azure oak
then why mention it
wise bolt
did u think we were talking about aoe lmao
solemn crest
We’re talking about silly space worm
deft lily
astrum peak
solemn crest
^^^
solemn crest
Underground astral infection my beloved
I think we should be able to make astral water bottles
azure oak
drink it to instantly get an hour of astral infection debuff
full quest
What would happen if you ate the astral meteor
fierce nebula
What would happen if you ate the astral meteor
It would taste good
solemn crest
So astral infection is basically a form of “the” corruption that has spread throughout the universe right?
full quest
So astral infection is basically a form of “the” corruption that has spread thro...
basically
solemn crest
Or it’s analogous to the corruption/crimson
azure oak
astral infection develops from a bloated star that has existed for too long
fierce nebula
It’s basically an astral infection
full quest
Just crimson/corruption on sterioids
azure oak
it overloads objects & beings with mana, causing them to mutate
crimson and corruption are formed from the essence of dead gods instead
solemn crest
I see, I was starting to wonder if astral infection was just the essence of a god of another world that had festered so far
azure oak
the astral infection is completely unrelated to any god stuff
solemn crest
overloads things with mana
first armor set is for rogues
wise bolt
What would happen if you ate the astral meteor
prion disease
solemn crest
prion disease
Actually horrifying
full quest
Actually horrifying
That sounds sick
wise bolt
essentially what it is tbh
solemn crest
Prion disease debuff just always kills you
full quest
Prions are basically just proteins though
solemn crest
Exactly
full quest
I think they just kill you typically
wise bolt
in lore it's functionally identical to prion disease but instead of misfolded proteins its the.. evil astral magic equivalent
full quest
but like they can't do any of the cool stuff viruses or fungi can do
like mind control and stuff
solemn crest
But prion disease is a misfolded protein that perpetuates itself
wise bolt
there is actually reasoning as to why i compare it to prion disease specifically but idk if its public info
solemn crest
So once you contract it you just die
wise bolt
solemn crest
Like there’s nothing you can do
azure oak
your own proteins being unable to function and your body breaking down as a result is plenty horrific enough
full quest
basically
deft lily
astral infection ❌
prion infection ✅
wise bolt
its neurodegenerative
wise bolt
there is no way to like, correct the misfolded proteins so they just keep misfolding other proteins and it cascades
solemn crest
Although astral infection is a little less lethal than actual prion disease yeah? Since sentient things can resist its effects?
wise bolt
hmm
solemn crest
Just much more contagious
wise bolt
still working on it tbh
full quest
I always thought of it as more of a slime mold or fungi
because they can actually mutate things and assimilate
wise bolt
youre a slime mold
full quest
nah
dull heart
It felt like using viscera during scal didn't do anything to help my situation
Viscera is one of the weakest ones - each orb is 5 frames. All 4 shots per burst together is -0.66s of.cooldown
The amount each orb cuts depends on the weapon
full quest
I don't think animals are that close to fungi
wise bolt
arent fungi their own thing
summer shore
Viscera is one of the weakest ones - each orb is 5 frames. All 4 shots per burst...
Damn I chose the worst one to try 😭
full quest
Fungi are closer to animals but further away from plants
dull heart
It's not necessarily the worst overall because it shoots towards you
wise bolt
ic
dull heart
but from a potion perspective it is
solemn crest
Horrible hog ❌ mad cow ✅
wise bolt
thumby
solemn crest
But I think they are close to slime molds
Ain’t slime mold technically a kind of protist?
full quest
Ain’t slime mold technically a kind of protist?
Isn't it kind of a waste basket taxon
solemn crest
Like I think that’s a thing I remember from biology
full quest
like a bunch of similar characteristics but are not all related
solemn crest
Ig that makes sense
I don’t remember a whole lot it’s been like 6-7 years since I’ve had bio
full quest
a lot of species are like that
solemn crest
-# I swear that was not a 67 joke
full quest
epsecially the ones no one cares about
like people really don't care about early mammals
solemn crest
I saw a really funny video about trilobites the other day but I can’t find it
full quest
trilobites had like 5 super families I think
solemn crest
Cal should add trilobites
full quest
They do
what if you did like a terraria mod but just with a bunch of critters and animals
like literally nothing more
solemn crest
Peak mod
full quest
but you incetivize collecting them
solemn crest
I’m gonna add a big tardigrade in space
full quest
with like food and quests
full quest
I’m gonna add a big tardigrade in space
I think prehistoric tardigrades were actually larger than modern day ones
like insect size
full quest
birds
solemn crest
Dodossssss
full quest
the auroch had aura
solemn crest
Extinct since 1627 :(
Oooh a blobfish
They spawn in the void
And they look normal
solemn crest
I should make a spider crab
full quest
do you like paleotology
solemn crest
I find it interesting enough
I think there’s something cool about how there were things that we will never see alive
full quest
same
Also the future is interesting
even though you can't really study it
like what will earth be 500 million years from now
solemn crest
It is interesting to extrapolate what may happen to the planet yeah
But idk I think ancient ancient history has a vibe that nothing can really match
full quest
i think crabs could rule the oceans
or like crusteceans
especially if teleosts were to decline
solemn crest
Like what do you mean there were man-sized insects on a jungle planet???
That’s just really cool
I’d love it if we were able to explore the ocean more
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I feel like it depends on what happens to the earth
Mammals are very obviously struggling right now and will probably be hit really hard post-holocene. I think after that reptiles and birds will be on top
I think life could get weird if you managed to kill all off synapsids and diapsids
So no mammals or reptiles
solemn crest
I mean at this rate that’s really only a few hundred years off
dense sundial
Isn't it kind of a waste basket taxon
“Protista” is the most paraphyletic thing ever; it’s just any eukaryote that’s not an animal, fungus, or plant
deft lily
burp
dense sundial
...?
cinder hearth
or like crusteceans
Idk about that, I feel like teleosts are less likely to decline than crustaceans in general? Obviously both are super really important parts of the current ecosystems, but like, idk
prisma cipher
Add 7 billion crabs.
dense sundial
teleosts are the one gigantic order of fish, right?
gleaming light
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teleosts are the one gigantic order of fish, right?
basically
Teleosts were not always dominant though
only really in the last 66 million years did they become dominant
Mesozoic oceans were dominated by cephalopods and different families of non-teleost fish
such as coelacanths and pachycormiformes
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Idk about that, I feel like teleosts are less likely to decline than crustaceans...
Biological turnover in major groups more common than you'd think
Teleosts could be replaced by a number of things
Different fish, sharks, crusteceans, cephalopods
heck even bivalves or microscopic plankton could evolve to be larger
cinder hearth
Biological turnover in major groups more common than you'd think
Well yes, but assuming the massive changes are of an environmental nature, I think it's crustaceans that are (generally) more sensitive to those changes, no? Which means if one declined, wouldn't it be more likely for it to be those?
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Well yes, but assuming the massive changes are of an environmental nature, I thi...
I'm pretty sure that's the opposite
like they survive extinctions with more bio diversity
Also a lot of them are smaller and feed on dead stuff
Fish are more specialized
cinder hearth
Also a lot of them are smaller and feed on dead stuff
Yes, but a lot of them are also less able to relocate to more favorable environments than fish are
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Yes, but a lot of them are also less able to relocate to more favorable environm...
That's not really how it works. If a species needs a certain habitat and that habitat is destoyed it is over. Doesn't matter if they can last a few months during an extinction event
Usually the stuff that survives already lived in deep sea
or lived in a low level of the food chain
then diversifies after the extinction
Also many of them would take a hit
Extinction events are usually lose lose
but someone loses less
Mammals and dinosaurs both lost a lot
but mammals lost a bit less
cinder hearth
That's not really how it works. If a species needs a certain habitat and that ha...
I know that, what I'm saying is that fish are able to relocate to similar habitats in less affected environments. Yes, plenty of fish will die because they need more specific environments, but so will a lot of species of mollusks that are common to more specific habitats.
However, I will grant you the point that there's more varieties of crustaceans, also because that's just a way wider clade, especially if you go with pancrustacea as a whole (which would also include insects, which are another thing entirely)
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I know that, what I'm saying is that fish are able to relocate to similar habita...
Many of them have lower metabolisms and go longer without eating
Often times that gets you through extinctions a lot better
KPG has a good example of that
90% of turtles survived while like 1% of birds survived
cinder hearth
Many of them have lower metabolisms and go longer without eating
Depends on the cause of the extinction, tbh, but generally yeah that's true
But say, if the extinction was caused by global warming, idk
strange cargo
Why does sauron care so much about wildlife
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Depends on the cause of the extinction, tbh, but generally yeah that's true
Bu...
Ehh
Metabolism matters more
PTME favored reptiles and lower metablism mammals more
like Dicynodonts
Really it's just about being unspecialized and taking things slow
with a little bit of luck
cinder hearth
Why does sauron care so much about wildlife
To kill them more efficiently of course!
fierce nebula
🫧 🐠
strange cargo
I haven’t done a ton of research on things but, the cause of a mass extinction event can drastically change what if affects. Like the ice caps melting would hurt arctic animals a lot more than some others
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If the ice caps were to melt rapidly that would effect a lot more than artic life
That would just cause global warming on steroids
strange cargo
I’m saying species that are more accustomed to deal with the hear would have a better chance of surviving than the arctic ones
fathom girder
That would just cause global warming on steroids
the released water would absorb more heat, which would end up creating an ice age for the rest of the planet
it's weird
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Who told you that
fathom girder
science
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Tucker Carlson
fathom girder
do some research on the topic please :D
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Ice reflects heat actually
Reflects sunlight
also ice being melted would release greenhouse gasses trapped in the ice and the ground underneath
not mention that destroys a lot currents that makes places cold
solemn crest
That would just cause global warming on steroids
All of the water would boil, and we’d have a planet wide seafood boil :)
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All of the water would boil, and we’d have a planet wide seafood boil :)
that sounds peak
strange cargo
Sounds like the perfect opportunity for me to make my estrogen cauldron
solemn crest
Sounds like a new calamity item
polar tide
the released water would absorb more heat, which would end up creating an ice ag...
jesse what the fuck are you talking about
are you trolling. like genuine question are you trolling
polar tide
absorbing heat does not... that's not. that doesnt cause a
fathom girder
but glaciers melting means more water is put in the oceans, which will absorb far more heat
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That's like saying climate change is good for the baby seals because they get stuck under the ice
polar tide
Actually you know what this is so ridiculous that im not even going to entertain it. Goodnight
latent portal
Actually you know what this is so ridiculous that im not even going to entertain...
good
fathom girder
christ I regret getting involved in this
latent portal
why is this topic here in calamity update
pearl sentinel
Actually you know what this is so ridiculous that im not even going to entertain...
yeah ill copy your flow
pearl sentinel
You deny climate change
not even what they're saying though
fathom girder
don't engage they don't seem to know how to have an actual conversation
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not even what they're saying though
People that perputuate global cooling usually deny global warming
pearl sentinel
stomp is talkin about some flapjacks with orange juice but that doesnt mean they hate pancakes and waffles
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It's a talking point for climate change denial
fathom girder
global warming is a misnomer, it doesn't only pertain to heating up
It makes the extremes more extreme, both in weather and general climate
it's bad and it is happening
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The term climate change is better
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but the earth is by fact getting overall warmer
solemn crest
but the earth is by fact getting overall warmer
Nuh uh! If it’s getting warmer, then why did it snow this morning?!
solemn crest
heated topic
I see what you did there
polar tide
still not engaging with this but im going to cutely ping a mod to keep an eye on this @hushed hazel
fathom girder
swag
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I don't know why tbh
fathom girder
SSO tomorrow
solemn crest
Hold up where is it
solemn crest
twin juniper
ravager
cinder hearth
but glaciers melting means more water is put in the oceans, which will absorb fa...
This is one factor, but there's also the fact of greenhouse gases trapped in tundras and ice caps and such will be released by melting ice, which would increase the amount of trapped heat. That, alongside ocean reflecting less light, makes me unsure whether the melting of the ice caps (and that alone) would directly lower or increase temperature in the rest of the world.
fathom girder
oh my LORDIE the convo's over already
cinder hearth
oh my LORDIE the convo's over already
Fine, I didn't scroll down, but that doesn't make what I said wrong
distant raft
tldr bad bad horrible no good things would happen
cinder hearth
tldr bad bad horrible no good things would happen
Oh I don't think anyone was saying the opposite
hushed hazel
fathom girder
hoggin' it up rn
deft lily
🐷 ❤️
hushed hazel
horrible hog loves you
no he does not
the hog has naught but hatred for the mortal coil in his heart
deft lily
no he does not
skill issue
cinder hearth
the **hog** has naught but hatred for the mortal coil in his heart
Even its own?
tropic jolt
the hog is coming
deft lily
the hog is coming
lmfao
solemn crest
I think the next thing im gonna try to make is a Yharim desk slam weapon
hushed hazel
Even its own?
perhaps he does not realize, or perhaps he does not wish to realize, that the thing he hates the most is his inability to change the spiteful and vitriolic being he has become
pearl sentinel
horrible hog loves you
deft lily
🤍
solemn crest
perhaps he does not realize, or perhaps he does not wish to realize, that the th...
How awful
Horrible, even
echo pier
So many projectiles count as contact damage in malice mode for no reason so you take 2x damage from them, this has to be fixed
also profaned guardian's attacker in malice dashes so fast and long that it goes out of screen and despawns everytime making the fight basically impossible to win
solemn crest
Sounds malicious
echo pier
The thing is that, the devs of calamity are "lampshading" with the malice mode situation
Basically they are aware that lot of bosses's attacks and AI are currently unfair , broken and unbalanced in malice, and they claimed that it's a joke difficulty so these things being there is normal, they are aware that it's a flaw but they are keeping that in their game anyway
hasty hawk
Malice is Ftw for cal yea
fierce nebula
I think they have more pressing issues to worry about
hasty hawk
and unfinished due to most of it being Fabsol stuff
distant raft
"claimed its a joke difficulty" its a joke seed please try and explain how strapping dynamite to bunnies isn't a joke
fathom girder
and unfinished due to most of it being Fabsol stuff
this is an important note
echo pier
"claimed its a joke difficulty" its a joke seed please try and explain how strap...
I see where you're going, but it's an increase of difficulty also
hasty hawk
Give em time, there are many more issues and the team just restructured to better deal with stuff
echo pier
it's for those who find master mode a cakewalk after like 300+ hours in terraria
fathom girder
They definitely do have more pressing matters rn lul
hasty hawk
Malice might be looked at after Death gets looked at
fierce nebula
They have to work on balance issues that are currently present in the game
hasty hawk
cuz Death has several more issues due to again unfinished Fabsol stuff
And balance is a mess atm
distant raft
secret seeds are like bottom of the list if theyre even on the list at all
hasty hawk
especially around Post-Providence
pearl sentinel
obviously the solution is fovenator
distant raft
true!
distant raft
foveanator will fix all problems
echo pier
Vanilla FTW is harder than master mode but not so unfair, bosses have more hp and deal more contact damage so fights last longer
Skeletron spawns minions? use gravity potion of spawnproof the arena or farm for their banners, same as WoF
moonlord spawns boulders after deathray? teleport as it's doing so to contain it's boulders in a specialized arena
etc...
pearl sentinel
foveanator loves you
echo pier
vanilla ftw has counter attacks and it's not absurdly broken
hasty hawk
Vanilla FTW is harder than master mode but not so unfair, bosses have more hp an...
So counter the boss by cheesing them
echo pier
while calamity malice make some changes in bosses are that nigh impossible
distant raft
add invincible foveanator to malice scal
boom
10/10 fight absolute cinema
echo pier
So counter the boss by cheesing them
I mean, i've defeated skeletron and WoF ftw without spawnproofing the arena or farming for banners once
fathom girder
Cal is also known to be more extreme compared to vanilla already
distant raft
100 calamillion dollars to ozzatron
fathom girder
It's really a non issue atm
twin juniper
add invincible foveanator to malice scal
boom
10/10 fight absolute cinema
Scal evil pink sister phase (deviantt)
fathom girder
you've got death mode if you want a harder but still structured experience
hasty hawk
Yep its a very niche issue
fathom girder
carny spotted
deft lily
I like bringing up niche issues for the sake of bringing up niche issues!!
fathom girder
I like bringing up niche issues for the sake of bringing up niche issues!!
FIX MY YOYOS RAHHHHHHHHHHH
polar tide
when it comes to balancing we are far more concerned with balancing the actual game as opposed to the "this is bullshit on purpose" difficulty that you have to have prior knowledge about to even know exists and go out of your way to access
deft lily
^
pearl sentinel
why are you fartist
deft lily
polar tide
why are you fartist
its my job
pearl sentinel
my bad fartster
polar tide
no problem
hasty hawk
Yep its a very niche issue
Compared to:
Balance being a mess
Some game breaking bugs
Stuff being way too loud
Literal unfinished stuff currently in the game
Summoner, Mage, and Rogue needing a rework badly (likely happening in the order i mentioned)
fathom girder
revengeance getting shafted by warding(again) is a funny issue
hasty hawk
There is stuff that is a higher priority than fixing seeds
deft lily
CALAMITY MOD taken over by the WOKE LIBERAL RADICAL DEMOCRATS!! (GONE WOKE??)
strange cargo
Horrible hog tomorrow
dull schooner
they made mage lgbtq
strange cargo
This image is too horrible, I had to spoiler it
solemn crest
What’s up with the horrible hog? Like how did that meme evolve?
deft lily
they made mage lgbtq
always was
hasty hawk
I wonder what next patch will be since it seems hotfixes are over and only stuff we have is the new item, horrible hog and maybe stuff that didnt make the cut in Brainstorm that isnt explicitly scrapped
solemn crest
they made mage lgbtq
Always has been btw
hasty hawk
This image is too horrible, I had to spoiler it
Thankfully its not as horrible as certain hogfish 
strange cargo
What’s up with the horrible hog? Like how did that meme evolve?
It’s always been here
How do you think Malice came forth?
deft lily
hog riddaaaaa
solemn crest
Nah like fr is it a mob being worked on or something?
dull schooner
hog dragon
distant raft
god of all things horrible
strange cargo
Nah like fr is it a mob being worked on or something?
deft lily
who knows
solemn crest
I am confused
deft lily
fathom girder
I don't think we fully know yet
solemn crest
Ehh, such things are as the hog demands I guess
deft lily
I know
flat folio
I see where you're going, but it's an increase of difficulty also
Strictly speaking I think there is smth to be said on asking "Well who is this for then?" if game design principles go out the window in general
Personally, I think it's easiest if it's taken and made under the assumption of just being Humor. A place where all the little dumb funny things get to go without undermining the intended experience. I do believe introducing smth to appeal to the difficulty addict archetype in there without that design consideration is a valid criticism, but I also think it's relatively minor given that it's, well, secret seed content that's easier to ignore than smth that's more omnipresent
deft lily
i know everything
echo pier
Compared to:
Balance being a mess
Some game breaking bugs
Stuff being way too lo...
The new rogue spore knife is already a step forward
That weapon is so cool
And balanced
deft lily
Strictly speaking I think there is smth to be said on asking "Well who is this f...
truthnuke
hasty hawk
The new rogue spore knife is already a step forward
Yet it doesnt address rogue’s fundamental issues
echo pier
Like?
hasty hawk
And balanced
I suppose I would have to check this
deft lily
rogue try to be a good class challenge (impossible)
dull schooner
^^^
fathom girder
Like?
biggest issue is how stealth is handled
Stealth functionally acts like how attack speed works on melee
it's purely a weapon boosting function
but it's on armor
when instead it should really be structured so that the weapons have stealth/focus(the potential rename for it) with rogue armor instead boosting stealth generation
iirc
hasty hawk
Like?
Stealth is a flawed mechanic on itself
- Name doesnt make sense (being renamed to Focus on the rework)
- Needs a lot of knowledge of the game to work, very complicated for the class thats the “new flashy toy” for modded players
- You are always forced to have cost reduction accessories to be able to use stealth without it feeling weak
- Dmg formula is wack and not clarified to the player, UseTimeMultiplier should not exist since slower weapons already have more dmg per hit
- Cant use stealth without rogue armor with few exceptions, especially bad earlygame
- Lack of flexibility, you either lock yourself into using stealth or not bothering. Raider’s talisman and Vamp talisman barely help
- Damage is wack all across the board
- Accessories have many unintended effects or do not proc on stuff they should
- 2 big accessories at cosmilite tier
- Flurries being implemented early
- Many dated weapons
- Projectile spam in weapons and accessories; causing clutter
- Barely any reason to spend stealth points in accessories
- Stealth having a fixed cost across all weapons
to name a few
fathom girder
WHEW that's rather detailed
tropic jolt
a
hasty hawk
WHEW that's rather detailed
I still have more complaints but I would fucking need to redo a google doc I made back around 1.5 Cal
hasty hawk
and stuff that I had posted in dev while I was still one but that could also be considered lost media
yet redoing the search could be good for new info
hasty hawk
I have dedicated myself to rogue a lot
hasty hawk
I think your advice is being taken
Maybe, no way to actually tell. Yet these are band-aids that work well for now until they can work on rogue properly
hasty hawk
Same
fathom girder
feels far more appropriate and can lead to much more design freedom I think
desert garnet
same
tired adder
I had a "shower thought" on mage rework idea whatever
desert garnet
and the cost being different for every weapon
tired adder
I had a "shower thought" on mage rework idea whatever
that mage weapons wouldn't consume mana (with some base damage nerfs across the board)
distant raft
ranger
tired adder
that mage weapons wouldn't consume mana (with some base damage nerfs across the ...
but you could do right click to consume chunks of mana to do special attacks
distant raft
stratus
pulsar cobalt
rogue in roots
strange cargo
Horrible in hogs
solemn crest
I mean I do like chaos stone’s rework, and I’d like for mana to be more of a resource rather than a meter, if that makes sense
fathom girder
rooted in rogue
Chaos stone is SO weird
it's awesome and it converts your health into your new mana source
tired adder
no that's just rogue
except stealth things can be used alongside spam
fathom girder
but it's like how you can manage your health as a resource
mage should be able to manage the mana bar in a similar way
hasty hawk
except stealth things can be used alongside spam
This is the goal Raiders Talisman and dogtooth (and vamp talisman) have
yet their boost is too insignificant to consider until Vamp
And dogtooth benefits stealth way too much
tired adder
except stealth things can be used alongside spam
instead of explicitly stopping spam to do stealth and vice versa
solemn crest
Video games always have a hard time making a good “magic resource” system
Early souls games ignore that and do number of casts per rest, which obviously we can’t do
Elder scrolls uses magicka, which is only a meter. The problem is, you’re always using your strongest spell with that system because you can just wait for the meter to come back.
So it is just really difficult to configure mana as a resource. Chaos stone takes mana and basically says “negative = more damage, less health”, which is a really cool way to tie mana into the “resource management” side of things rather than having it just be “magic meter”.
Literally just my thoughts on mana and stuff
tired adder
instead of explicitly stopping spam to do stealth and vice versa
you could even do mechanics, where you can do focus attacks from a different weapon without switching to it
but it costs more or something
there's already a bunch of stealth strikes that work as side arms
solemn crest
Hell, maybe spam weapons can build stealth, and stealth weapons consume it?
Or weapons primary attacks build stealth and alt attacks consume it
tired adder
dense sundial
Video games always have a hard time making a good “magic resource” system
Early ...
ds3/er's FP exists but that's also technically per rest
fathom girder
there's straight up no regen for those yeah
unless you use consumables or a talisman that grants a babyshit amount of fp per second
at which point we're back to square one
dense sundial
starlight shards actually fill a great deal of fp but they're limited
fathom girder
ye starlight shards are huge
the fp regen talisman I was referencing is blue dew tali
which is 0.5 fp per second lol
dusk shadow
unless you use consumables or a talisman that grants a babyshit amount of fp per...
"Babyshit" is an expression ive never heard in my life
dense sundial
random thought, what if there was some effect that made enemies occasionally drop mana stars when hit?
instead of only killed
fathom girder
that sounds like something starbeam rye could do
rare tinsel
star beam rye 2
fathom girder
yeah
tired adder
random thought, what if there was some effect that made enemies occasionally dro...
nah, nah, not when hit
when existing
and not hit
that way there is gimmick with keeping goons alive
and feeding you mana
crimson void
is the brainstorm update different from the sunken sea update or are they combined together?
misty wren
different
sunken sea update has been postponed indefinitely and isnt gonna be next update
crimson void
does brainstorm have many changes or not compared to the sunken sea one?
grave geyser
brainstorm is 90% stuff that was going to be sso
crimson void
nice, thanks
misty wren
brainstorm is almost all the stuff that would have been in the sunken sea update that wasnt actually for the sunken sea
grave geyser
its basically sso - the actual sunken sea
solemn crest
ds3/er's FP exists but that's also technically per rest
Yeah but imo that kinda gets the worst of both worlds. You only get a certain amount of casts but there’s hardly a reason to not use the hardest hitting spells
I do like how Nightreign remedied it though with Recluse
Nightreign just has a much better magic system than any other souls anyway…
young notch
THAT WAS AWESOME
dull heart
:)
strange cargo
Typical summoner W
young notch
It was challenging but it could be learned
dull heart
no Virid Vanguard L
lyric trellis
Sometimes I forget doze made this boss and does things other than step stool and game-breaking stuff
young notch
Yeah genuinely well done homie
tropic jolt
thank you for making dog good
dull heart
Sometimes I forget doze made this boss and does things other than step stool and...
I never miss
lyric trellis
Can't believe step stool crit is actually real
tropic jolt
crows who mow
deft lily
fathom girder
Sometimes I forget doze made this boss and does things other than step stool and...
it's kinda crazy isn't it
Doze just keeps hitting Ws
still cobalt
Doze feels like half shitpost half really good content
I mean like the shitposts feel well done but
dull heart
ccr industry plant
tropic jolt
doze try not to make another S+ tier weapon challenge
late eagle
Man I never thought I would actually have fun with dog
Like. FUN???? WITH DOG????
Unbelievable
tropic jolt
honestly quite incredible
cinder raptor
what about polyphemalus
echo pier
Man I never thought I would actually have fun with dog
Brainstorm update truly improved it
ravager was also improved
late eagle
honestly quite incredible
It was an awesome fight man, even when I died I was just grinning of joy like a mad man
tribal isle
Man I never thought I would actually have fun with dog
infernum dog is fun after you already got the muscle memory for him 300 tries later and can beat him in one try
late eagle
infernum dog is fun after you already got the muscle memory for him 300 tries la...
Nah Nuh huh why would I do that when I can have the time of my life dying for doze's cosmic bully
I don't need to prove myself that I can beat the super mega hyper difficulty just to have some aura. I want to have fun bro
My hundreds spars with sir nautilus taught me that
regal lodge
Has anyone checked out the dazzling stabber staff after the update?
It's uhmmm
Quite loud
lean relic
Has anyone checked out the dazzling stabber staff after the update?
Very very very very known
strange cargo
Just use virid vanguard for now
late eagle
Has anyone checked out the dazzling stabber staff after the update?
Wow... Good thing I haven't played as a summoner yet
lean relic
regal lodge
Finally a weapon for the deaf
distant raft
1: stabbers arent required
2: theyre not even the best minion on tier
late eagle
I think I'll probably delay my summoner playthrough until the fated summoner update
distant raft
that will take a very long time
strange cargo
The stabber obsession must be studied — I didn’t even realize it was a thing until this update because I never needed it
late eagle
that will take a very long time
Probably but I can wait
I'm not a summoner main or anything
distant raft
The stabber obsession must be studied — I didn’t even realize it was a thing unt...
it also wasnt a thing in 2.1.1
strange cargo
Im a summoner main
regal lodge
1: stabbers arent required
2: theyre not even the best minion on tier
I know but they're so cool
I dunno about any of the stuff past providence yet since this is my first playthrough since the update
But pre update this was literally my favourite summoner weapon
lean relic
late eagle
Is that doze's review?
distant raft
Is that doze's review?
those are the killtimes
shell sapphire
Is there a list of killtimes?
regal lodge
Btw are these weapons supposed to keep orbiting around me? Never really used this weapon?
distant raft
continue using the weapon
pulsar cobalt
Try right-click while all your slots are virid
right click only does targetting like other summon weapons
pulsar cobalt
Btw are these weapons supposed to keep orbiting around me? Never really used thi...
anyways theres this awesome thing called reading the tooltip you should try it sometime
lean relic
right click only does targetting like other summon weapons
Was it left click
pulsar cobalt
yes
lean relic
okay this is confusing lol
regal lodge
anyways theres this awesome thing called reading the tooltip you should try it s...
Thnaks, sorry I asked ;3
strange cargo
Why are they blue
pulsar cobalt
Why are they blue
critter shampoo
stiff light
Why are they blue
lean relic
Looks like she called blue dudes!
tropic jolt
why are you purple
solemn crest
why are you purple
Grapes
thorn pier
green grapes better
steel pike
Agreed
Honestly wine grapes are the best
We used to pick them off the branch at our school in like 2nd grade they were so good
severe coral
versed heart
Horrifying
cunning sequoia
horrible, even
wide raven
That hog looks terrible
floral flax
im genuinely curious what the use is for this when i can just use old fashioned
pulsar cobalt
oh yea cinnamon roll + statis belt is funny
severe coral
im genuinely curious what the use is for this when i can just use old fashioned
Does he know
pulsar cobalt
im genuinely curious what the use is for this when i can just use old fashioned
it stacks
severe coral
Funny enough that'd actually work just swimmingly with a dash build
dull heart
this is getting gutted by the fact we're gonna have to nerf the dash probably
it dashes 8 whole tiles in one frame with croll
which is
more than scal's entire contact dmg hitbox
you can dash through an scal dash sefely
you can dash through DoG safely
severe coral
Just uhh
Run a collision check on the player's center minus their velocity while their velocity is greater than 32 (player width) and they're dashing ig
severe coral
Cal and/or Terraria gives NPCs way too much defense