calamity-update-talk

[dull heart]

Slime also forces you to go straight down

[rose laurel]

Slime Mount is only relevant because Calamity lets it be

[dull heart]

This is just not true either

[cobalt wharf]

creeped up movement = vanilla mounts which are normally specialized in movement get no buffs and are left to eat shit = cal players only know to use a slime mount to fall faster and nothing else

[amber egret]

no you can kinda do slightly to the left and right

[dull heart]

they're two different tools for two different jobs

[hollow harness]

I don't think so it just increases your fall speed

[dull heart]

Slime is for max fall speed, while fastfall key is for fall accel / decel

[strange cargo]

No I know shrimpy truffle too

[dull heart]

Fastfall key is amazing for stopping yourself from going up too fast

[brittle escarp]

I just don’t like using mounts

[amber egret]

isnt Pogo Stick also like

[misty wren]

vanilla wiki just says you fall at double the speed

[brittle escarp]

They feel clunky and bad

[hollow harness]

I know Witch's Broom too!

[amber egret]

vaguely valuable for fall speed

[unique warren]

This is true but cal movement speed enjoyers see no horiz speed and don’t use it

[hollow harness]

The reindeer mount...

[dull heart]

Pogo Stick in cal has less of a top fall speed than slime but has uninhibited horizontal movement

[urban cloak]

[cobalt wharf]

this is cope i think

[urban cloak]

no one uses mounts in this mod outside the fastfalling ones its honestly kinda sad

[cobalt wharf]

send me a pbg nohit on a shrimpy truffle

[strange cargo]

No? I use it in like every run

[misty wren]

i love me my hexxed branch

[cobalt wharf]

rain or no rain

[strange cargo]

Rain, because I can force it

[unique warren]

I think movement speed buff in cal is probably one of its worse things 😭

[misty wren]

are we seriously determining somethings usability by nohits 💔

[amber egret]

ive never seen anyone in like. a "professional" setting use mounts

[cobalt wharf]

no

[hollow harness]

Lovely Santank mount and the Scutlix mount (I've never gotten the latter)

[dull heart]

goodness I really want to rip out so much of the powercreep in all aspects of calamity when we port to 1.4.5

[cobalt wharf]

the point is you can’t dodge the boss with its movement lol

[unique warren]

Please do and let me know movement be one of those

Because movement IS power crept

[brittle escarp]

But that’s a good thing

[unique warren]

No it is not

[brittle escarp]

Like fundamentally more movement allows for more complex and interesting bosses

[urban cloak]

i remember unironically using hexed branch to dodge master mode duke back in 2020 cause i kinda sucked at the fight and it genuinely worked and was honestly kinda fun

[brittle escarp]

That’s good

[urban cloak]

you wont see that kinda wacky shit here tho

[amber egret]

make a version of calamity that has the player be vanilla when you port to 1.4.5, then see how all the new items work there

[brittle escarp]

It’s why vanilla is so boring

[amber egret]

(vanilla as in, in movement and hwatnot

[strange cargo]

I consistently use shrimpy truffle for bullet hells like scal

[misty wren]

ok so what im getting from this discussion
we all agree that cal creeps movespeed
but fundamentally nobody can agree if that is a good thing or a bad thing

[cobalt wharf]

eh hexed branch still got it i think

[dull heart]

correct

[brittle escarp]

I don’t mind if it’s removed as long as someone makes a mod to reinstate it

Then both groups are happy

[cobalt wharf]

branch is crazy i don’t know how it’s still real ngl

[amber egret]

i do like moving, but i dont like the option of being able to move forever in a straight line: that is boring

[misty wren]

and im going to say right now we will not agree because this is an argument on the internet and nobody on the internet changes their opinion based off an argument

[pulsar cobalt]

i used golf mount once to damage max

[brittle escarp]

Sometimes people do

[strange cargo]

I think without the buff it’d be fine, just incentivizes going for a mount or boots early, which is a good thing

[pulsar cobalt]

cuz i needed movement and golf car was the best pre wof

[dull heart]

well duh why would I change my opinion when I'm already right

[urban cloak]

its really fucking good but i guess relogic is fine with it cause its grounded??

[brittle escarp]

I just don’t think giving the player character a lobotomy is a workable solution

[urban cloak]

idrk

[cobalt wharf]

it’s also master only

[amber egret]

isnt Exo Tank pretty alright, despite being "grounded"

[urban cloak]

thats also true ig

[misty wren]

its insane horizontal mobility but it really sucks vertically

[hollow harness]

Yeah it being locked to master seals it

[urban cloak]

plus you don't get it as early as smth like black spot which got shot out back

[dull heart]

it's the master equivalent to SoC

[unique warren]

It’s not

[cobalt wharf]

well this is a different thing

[unique warren]

It’s just balancing things

[cobalt wharf]

exo tank has no movement but super damage

[hollow harness]

The one that kinda confuses me is why witch broom is not a master mount

[misty wren]

exo tank being good isnt reliant on its movement

[cobalt wharf]

not really in the same category

[urban cloak]

^

[brittle escarp]

Yeah but balance and fun aren’t the same

[cobalt wharf]

even santank has serviceable movement

[brittle escarp]

I would prefer a fun experience to a perfectly balanced one

[unique warren]

Balance is more important than fun

[brittle escarp]

Strongly disagree

[misty wren]

hard disagree

[dull heart]

exo tank movement is so bad

[brittle escarp]

Like by so much

[strange cargo]

Thats controversial

[lapis oak]

erm, what?

[strange cargo]

I disagree fundamentally

[dull heart]

yeah that's a miss

[amber egret]

doesnt exo tank have like

[lapis oak]

that's certainly a statement

[amber egret]

a lotta speed

[dull heart]

Balance serves to aid fun

[strange cargo]

People wont play the mod if it’s not fun

[misty wren]

fun should always be at the forefront

[strange cargo]

Thats the long and short of it

[cobalt wharf]

no balance is no fun

[amber egret]

eh

[unique warren]

Exactly

[amber egret]

star beam rye was Fun

[strange cargo]

We aren’t saying no balance

[misty wren]

the goal should always be to make fun shit
balance should serve to make fun shit more fun

[cobalt wharf]

i dislike taking balance and fun as separate things cause they are inherently connected i think

[dull heart]

Star Beam Rye was one item being broken

[floral yew]

sentenced to play the world's most balanced snorefest game ever for 15 minutes

[dull heart]

Yeah

[fierce hearth]

Balance is not more important than fun are you nuts? No balance is not necessarily no fun, if that were true then nobody would play Kusoge fighting games

[strange cargo]

It’s a delicate ecosystem

[dull heart]

Balance is one of the factors of fun

[cobalt wharf]

you create the fun by balancing things to evoke a certain feeling

[rare tinsel]

Yeah :)

[fierce hearth]

Balance aids in fun, especially in an environment where efficiency meaningfully matters (boss kill times making bosses understandably easier)

[strange cargo]

Now we both know thats not what the original message was intending

[unique warren]

Well it can’t be only balanced

[rare tinsel]

As fun as it is to stomp a bad guy in one frame it’s not very replayable and it’s not gonna be fun for long

[unique warren]

It obviously needs both lmfao

[cobalt wharf]

idc about the original message

[fierce hearth]

but balance is just 1 tool in a developer's entire box of tools to make a game enjoyable

[amber egret]

doesnt fun also aide in balance

[unique warren]

I mean it kinda was

[amber egret]

even if the boss is 100% perfect and totally accounts for everything in the game, it might not be fun

[fierce hearth]

It did not read that way

[strange cargo]

Then you did a very bad job wording it

[misty wren]

you can emulate calamity being perfectly balanced by giving every boss and enemy strict rdr but that isnt really fun

[amber egret]

exactly

[dull heart]

okay but you know what IS fun

[unique warren]

Sorry lol

[grim pecan]

@still bluff and i beg to differ

[unique warren]

But balance is a part of fun

[dull heart]

Giving SCal RDR based on her music

[rare tinsel]

fuck yeah

[fierce hearth]

lmao

[amber egret]

yknow whats fun-er

[rare tinsel]

but make it weak RDR

[strange cargo]

Evil fluffy? Sorry?

[amber egret]

timing her attacks to the song

[unique warren]

Also this is not true as it is a lazy way to implement balance

[rare tinsel]

like WotG does with ND

[still bluff]

every good idea we've ever had has been RDR but again

[strange cargo]

Save it for a certain foolish date

[amber egret]

no shot does it really

[unique warren]

Lazy balance is not good balance

[misty wren]

that balance isnt inherently fun, nor is it inherently unfun

[dull heart]

Actually the way I did it is that it forces her HP to never go below the percentage of the way through the song she is

[still bluff]

evil fluffy

[misty wren]

yeah

[dull heart]

in my music boss HP lock mod

[rare tinsel]

I think Nameless Deity has up to 40% RDR

[unique warren]

It’s inherently bad balance

[amber egret]

thats fuckin awesome

[fierce hearth]

Shush that's precisely why balance as the #1 priority is a problem

[amber egret]

i never felt it

[dull heart]

so once the song is 50% done scal HP can drop 50% of the way to the next song

[amber egret]

its no Astrageldon

[unique warren]

That is not my point at all

[dull heart]

technically no RDR just

forcing the fight to last the whole song

[amber egret]

why not have her hp on a timer instead

[floral yew]

balanced fun balance 🔥

[dull heart]

it's a vibe

[frozen horizon]

RDR? What does this mean?

[fierce hearth]

reactive damage reduction

[misty wren]

reactive damage reduction

[amber egret]

reactive damage reduction

FUUUUUCK

[strange cargo]

🐌

[unique warren]

Balance is part of fun

[rare tinsel]

Essentually RDR is when yhe bad guy gains damage residtamce if you’re deqling too much damage too fast

[amber egret]

im a mollusk...........

[strange cargo]

And I am a sturgeon………..

[blazing field]

Balance matters but not thaaaaat much idt

[amber egret]

I. AM. A STURGEON. DR. HAN

[blazing field]

Specially given its a primarily singleplayer non-competiitve game

[rare tinsel]

Caralyst’s Astrageldon has aggressive RDR which forces the fight to be no significantly faster than 3:30 bormally

[blazing field]

If it was an actual multiplayer game you're going up against other players in,

[amber egret]

I AM. I. AM. A STURGEON

[blazing field]

Then yeah balance is a much much bigger concern

[unique warren]

Balance is probably one of the more important things and it matters in singleplayer a lot

Not just multi

[amber egret]

i dont like him :(

[blazing field]

It matters but i don't think it matters as much

[rare tinsel]

same

[misty wren]

balance can be part of fun but balance is not inherently fun nor is it inherently unfun

[amber egret]

i've fought him exactly twice, and the second time i just. cheated the kill

didnt use any of the drops i just wanted him cleared

[rare tinsel]

SS tier weapons neernto be toner down a lil byt S tier is fine

[unique warren]

It matters a lot imo because I have seen so many games fail because of it

[blazing field]

I don't think most people care that in hollow knight silksong some charms and silk skills are kind of just better than others

[unique warren]

Holy shit that is an awful example

That shit pisses me the fuck off

[amber egret]

?

[misty wren]

its neutral, its a tool thats impact depends on how its used

[strange cargo]

Yeah a whole lot of people hated Orespawn because the items were so strong

[blazing field]

Discord user gets mad at a completely nonconfrontational message

heartwarming

[misty wren]

dont worry shush every word you say makes me pissed off maybe cool down for a moment

[unique warren]

No no not mad at that

Just mad at HK balance

[strange cargo]

Don’t worry, everyone knows soulslikes are notoriously poor sellers

[amber egret]

i was gonna comment but my point is so bland that im just gonna go eat gravel instead

[blazing field]

They nerf and buff stuff accordingly but very few people actually mind it that much as a general consensus

Yeah of course

Balance is nice

[cinder hearth]

Cheese.

[blazing field]

It's nice that they tweak things

But fun is what matters

yes sauron

i'm waiting

for the reply

[cinder hearth]

Go.

[strange cargo]

Frodo is behind you

[unique warren]

Because I love that game but I don’t feel a drive to play it when it’s so unbalanced

So that is a very bad example

[cobalt wharf]

silksong tool balance is great but hollow knight charm balance is nonsense

[fierce hearth]

I on a fundamental level don't understand the "it's not balanced so I can't stand to play it" mindset outside of a competitive environment

[cobalt wharf]

im the one guy that cared

i feel like at some points it was at genuinely unacceptable levels lmao

[unique warren]

Precisely

[unique warren]

It’s not always that bad

[cobalt wharf]

it’s mostly just boring and needing to feel challenge to be engaged with a game

[unique warren]

But it does drive me away from the game at times

I have made a full doc of HK charm rebalances

Like it’s absolutely smth I care about immensely

[fierce hearth]

I also should note I have a bias where I find the general gaming community's overwhelming obsession with "balance" very grating and hostile to good game design

[unique warren]

I think it’s good if you like… balance well

[fierce hearth]

balance is often placed above fun by the community, pushing developers to prioritize things like undercutting optimal strategies and tools, encouraging a world of nerfs and trimming down on nuance

you say that's not good balance, but devs often don't have the time or tools to push outside of those boundaries, not just because of pressure applied by studios (not gamers fault as much), but because they need to not appear to be ignoring/failing their community

[unique warren]

Everything should have its use

If there’s smth that is useless it undercuts fun builds

[misty wren]

somethings use doesnt have to be determined by its place in the meta

often times i find myself using off-meta items or characters in games simply because i enjoy playing them

[unique warren]

Sure but things have to have use at all

[cobalt wharf]

meta is irrelevant to balance

[unique warren]

There will always be a meta and you can’t change that

But the gap between meta and the worst stuff you can use should not be that big

[dusk bronze]

the meta emerges as the result of balance

[cobalt wharf]

meta varies from highly specialized play to “this one thing is way stronger than it’s supposed to be”

the actual definition of meta is lost a bit in most discourse now

[tired adder]

say thanks to massive multiplayer games for that

[misty wren]

often times the mentality i see with "balance first" ends up as "slash the usability of all the best stuff"

[strange cargo]

Hasnt cal even done that exact thing where they nerfed something to unusable

[misty wren]

yes but the difference is the frequency

[unique warren]

That’s just bad balance

Like that’s just misguided

[cobalt wharf]

calamity balance changes are an endless maze

[fierce hearth]

It's not "good" or "bad" balance, it's just balancing. In a way that sucks. That isn't Fun.

[misty wren]

overpowered to unusable isnt a very common thing

[strange cargo]

Then what do you say “good” balance would be? Without making it unfun or hostile to new players

[fierce hearth]

The whole point of this conversation was balance before fun, which we're demonstrating is a bad practice and very common

[cobalt wharf]

they get pushed out with so much frequency and haste that they dont get the attention they deserve which means more rebalances need to occur

[dull heart]

many times

[cobalt wharf]

which means more mistakes get made

and loop

this was mostly a fabsol era issue where he could randomly decide to add one universal mechanic or one boss change that affects every single weapon and force them to need to be rebalanced to accommodate for it

[unique warren]

The thing is that balance is extremely important

[cobalt wharf]

it still lingers now since there’s a necessary descaling that needs to be done as a result of it

[unique warren]

Maybe not more than fun, I can concede that

But more often than not they just don’t conflict

[cobalt wharf]

nobody has even described fun in this conversation yet

what is the fun loss other than the numbers on screen being smaller

[misty wren]

because fun is an inherently subjective thing

[dull heart]

balance is of no value on its own, it's only as valuable as the amount it increases interest, engagement, and enjoyability of the game

[cobalt wharf]

balance is equally as subjective lol

[dull heart]

game design as a whole is entirely subjective

[fierce hearth]

Yeah

I'm not saying ignore balance, it's important and valuable because if it's too sloppy then it can horribly narrow the ways one engages with a game or break aspects of it entirely

[dull heart]

I can't think of the last time I heard someone pick up a game because it was well balanced, but I can think of many times I've heard of people stopping playing a game because of poor balance or even just balancing decisions they didn't enjoy that weren't necessary poor

balance serves to enhance the experience but it is nowhere close to a core factor of the experience

[unique warren]

I think the important of balance in non-competitive games is severely undervalued

[unique warren]

I do honestly disagree here

Balance is super important to me personally

[tired adder]

one thing I definitely... dislike is this

[dull heart]

what is this

[strange cargo]

Yeah I don’t like the massive balance walls either

[fierce hearth]

Walls of balance changes?

[dull heart]

just the amount of changes?

[unique warren]

I think they’re necessary

[tired adder]

both amount and how micro they are

[fierce hearth]

That's just inevitable w the amount of things in the game tbf.

[unique warren]

Balance is not easy

[fierce hearth]

And ideally will become less common as the game progresses through development

[dusk bronze]

why is it bad though

[dull heart]

Most of these in the list were not micro balance I think

[unique warren]

Yup

[strange cargo]

I don’t like balance changes because I don’t like changes to my routine for how I do a playthrough

[unique warren]

[fierce hearth]

Unfortunately you are playing a mod that is incomplete!

[dusk bronze]

[dull heart]

Why did spyker give 1 global iframe what

That's so silly

[grave geyser]

I mean this makes sense
You are in the section dedicated to balance changes
Look at the vanilla 1.4 changelogs and you’ll see something similar albeit with cleaner formatting

[unique warren]

Yeah like, this is kind of what you signed up for

[lapis oak]

to prevent double hit I think

I think that was a thing

[dusk bronze]

why did snowballs inflict frostburn 😭

[tired adder]

I guess formatting does matter, yeah

[misty wren]

ill also say i havent ever heard somebody recommend a game or mod because of good balance

[dull heart]

yeah

[unique warren]

It’s more of a thing that gets you to stay

Which can be equally important imo

[tired adder]

it's just feeling sometimes, that developers care about little details like this too much

[strange cargo]

I mostly meant like when a weapon gets it’s usability slashed to nothing, I can still use a somewhat viable item

[tired adder]

I can't explain it

[dull heart]

Yeah calamity has a horrific history of this

Severely over nerfing things

[strange cargo]

Thats why I brought it up

[mystic eagle]

Roxcalibur
Corinth Prime

[strange cargo]

Granted it is a new era

[tired adder]

but I am not testerpiled enough to see, why the damage of all weaponry needs to be adjusted by 1-2

or debuffs be lasting 0.5 less or 0.5 more

[unique warren]

Balance is a difficult and delicate thing

[strange cargo]

Because it adds up prolly

Like the damage

[dull heart]

In the list you sent the only change of this magnitude was cinder arrows

[cobalt wharf]

there is normally a very specific reason for wide sweep changes like this, the wiki is just formatted terribly and never explains them

[dull heart]

yeah

[grave geyser]

Mounted scanner
Void of extinction

[tired adder]

I guess the update page I chose was not good example

[cobalt wharf]

vanilla changelogs do this way better

[fierce hearth]

Say maybe... every boss in the game got its hp and damage adjusted in a single update

[dull heart]

Corinth is still usable just not on dog smh

[dull heart]

I agree with that

but like I'm not writing the changelogs so I can't really complain

[tired adder]

maybe doze's new website will change that

[strange cargo]

Dreadmines
Vengeful sun
/j

[cobalt wharf]

cal wiki changelogs felt like they’re meant to be read by robots and not humans

[grave geyser]

Isn’t it ass on anything not cv

[brittle escarp]

Are there any plans at all to rework the shroomite set bonus? It is literally never ever active unless you are in multiplayer

[fierce hearth]

Hopefully we can get devnotes in future updates but I kind of understand not wanting to invest the time into that for BS because it was a mountain of changes made over literal years that needed to be pushed out the door before the devs went postal

[strange cargo]

Its because of John AI

[grave geyser]

Clearly this person does not know of piranha gun tech

[brittle escarp]

I don’t actually

[strange cargo]

He wants his spawn to rule the internet

[tired adder]

can shroomite be reworked to use cal's stealth

[grave geyser]

Piranha guns damage doesn’t update dynamically so you can fire it in stealth and keep the damage boost when you move

[brittle escarp]

Oh that’s funny

[strange cargo]

I do think Shroomite should have a rogue headpiece or that

[brittle escarp]

And that would work for barracuda gun too

[strange cargo]

If calclone gets retiered

[grave geyser]

Yes
It’s worse on Barra though because it has half the duration of piranha

[tired adder]

also barracuda is post-ML now, which has vortex set

[brittle escarp]

It’s post ML?

[cobalt wharf]

barracuda has been post ml since bh i think

[brittle escarp]

Dawg it is not going to be able to compete with post ML weapons

[strange cargo]

Yall its not post ml, it’s superhardmode

[cobalt wharf]

well yes it’s damage was buffed to account for its retier, obviously

[misty wren]

its veryhardmode

[arctic cliff]

hey are we gonna talk about the frost armor set bonus rework calamity does for some reason

[misty wren]

no

[fierce hearth]

Shroomite would need a larger change for Cal because it is balanced in Cal around probably not having the status on that much, whereas Vortex armor's set bonus had to be kneecapped because it was so powerful that having it always on was so unfathomably powerful that it was a joke to ever turn it off

[brittle escarp]

The melee/ranger one?

[brittle escarp]

I still always have it on lol

It plus movement accessories is better than not it and damage accessories

I sometimes use it over tarragon even

Immediately post ML is when Ranger is strongest

[strange cargo]

Whats the vortex boost, im not a ranger player

[vocal kelp]

i wish we would

[cobalt wharf]

too late

[brittle escarp]

You go into stealth and get big damage and crit chance bonuses

[strange cargo]

Ah

[unique warren]

Yeah with stealth, balancing gets really tricky

[tired adder]

40% damage, 15% crit, but you are as slow as big chungus

[grave geyser]

No it was moved in 2.1

[brittle escarp]

But your acceleration and top speed arekneecapped, and you can’t dash

[strange cargo]

The humble 50cal

[unique warren]

Current balancing is hard because stuff will be changing in the near future

Including stealth

[brittle escarp]

Stealth as in Ranger or rogue

[unique warren]

The latter

[strange cargo]

Everything you know and love will be changed, reworked, or removed

[unique warren]

I know the convo is about the former but it just reminded me

[misty wren]

wrong biofusillade wont be

[brittle escarp]

I just wish stealth was more intuitive

[misty wren]

i know this because its just gonna fucking die with tarragon

[brittle escarp]

Rogue is so intimidating

[fierce hearth]

It's worth mentioning Cal changed it to 40% damage, 15% crit, in vanilla the stealth from Vortex armor is 80% damage, 20% crit

[unique warren]

Tarragon is only technically dying

[fierce hearth]

And the helmet provided better damage boosts in vanilla as well

[brittle escarp]

And it’s still worse than all 3 other classes, somehow

[tired adder]

but also movement speed bonuses do not work properly in vanilla

[brittle escarp]

Probably because the SDMG is straight cheeks

[tired adder]

if that matters

[plush carbon]

[strange cargo]

Theres four other

[brittle escarp]

Not in vanilla

I meant in vanilla

[strange cargo]

Oh

Yeah

[brittle escarp]

Summoner has sentries and Terraprisma and possession. Melee has Zenith, mage has last prism and nebula shenanigans

[fierce hearth]

Yeah that's way more to do with endgame ranged having ass weapons

And Nebula being busted armor

[brittle escarp]

I keep hoping they add another like a bow or flamethrower and they just refuse

[strange cargo]

The humble sniper rifle

[brittle escarp]

Or a shotgun

[tired adder]

did cal nerf phantasm?

[brittle escarp]

I don’t think so

If so only by a little

It’s still the highest pre ML dps for Ranger

[viscid sand]

Not sure if this is the right chat but I wanted to ask if they changed DOG, I just first tried him and I don’t remember him being so easy (master death)

It’s been over a year since I last played.

[unique warren]

As it probably should be

Since it requires good aim

[brittle escarp]

True

I agree

[tired adder]

I am asking because some other weapons weren't so lucky

[fierce hearth]

Phantasm is unchanged, checked

[strange cargo]

Hows the vortex beater nowadays, specifically with chlorophyte bullets

[fierce hearth]

They did change him dramatically, do you play with other mods?

[strange cargo]

Only the biggest update ever for cal

[fierce hearth]

Bc I think you would have noticed DoG changes unless something suppressed his AI changes

[viscid sand]

No just magic storage boss checklist and recipe browser

[strange cargo]

10,000 more summoner players killed in freak accident

[dusk bronze]

master death has become significantly "easier" (less comically unfair)

[unique warren]

Something something make Terraprisma stronger

[fierce hearth]

Did he have stupid little bullets or telegraphed screen spanning laser beams in his laser wall phases

[viscid sand]

Oh interesting

[fierce hearth]

But yeah Master Death is now just regular Death

[vocal kelp]

this shit pales in comparison of calamity's fucking hammer rebalances

[fierce hearth]

Expert -> Rev
Master -> Death
Legendary -> Malice

[tired adder]

what's so rad about them

[viscid sand]

Never tried malice, maybe next run I will

[fierce hearth]

It's not exactly fair still

But some people enjoy it

Shrug

[arctic cliff]

i mean phantasm getting nerfed isnt surprising to me purely cause

its

absurd

[dusk bronze]

it's a joke difficulty

[fierce hearth]

Yeah I don't understand how people find joy in Legendary

[tired adder]

because terraria players have been obsessed with adding more and more handcuffs and handicaps to their knees since 1.3

[vocal kelp]

the boreal wood hammer NEEDED to have 10 less hammer power

really critical issue

[tired adder]

but it also mines 2x faster!

[vocal kelp]

i dont fucking know how hammer power works to know the actual number

why would you ever do this

[fierce hearth]

I feel like the average terraria player is one of two groups:

• casuals who find expert mode difficult
• weird masochists who want the game to be as impossibly difficult as possible no matter how much that crushes the game's balance and feel into dust

[wary crest]

We really just nerfing things for the love of the game at this point

[tired adder]

every time I see this message

I remember the grand suggestion days

[fierce hearth]

Tool power works on breaking an invisible tile "hp", which varies on tile hardness (all walls are identical tho), with tool speed (separate from usetime) dictating how frequently that "hp" is reduced

[tired adder]

#suggestions-discussion is the best calcord channel, change my mind

[fierce hearth]

There are certain breakpoints where tool power becomes irrelevant and only toolspeed matters

[tired adder]

I think I remember seeing either on forums

or here

that vanilla's hammer progression is lunatic

[vocal kelp]

"yeah the butthole of satan is the best place in hell" i mean where is the competition

[wary crest]

Hammer progression is wooden -> pawn -> lunar

There is no other hammers

[fierce hearth]

There was that brief moment between 2.1.0 and 2.1.1 where the gelpick was the best dirt digging tool until I think post-ML but that was reverted fast lmao

[wary crest]

They’re not real

[tired adder]

platinum is not best hammer pre-boss

it's lead

[fierce hearth]

Toolspeed?

[vocal kelp]

hammer progression is like some metal hammer, molten hamaxe, then thats rlly about it until you go get lunar. nobody cares.

[tired adder]

combo of toolspeed and power, yes

It's kinda because walls have 4x less "health" than blocks

[fierce hearth]

Pwn is a guaranteed drop so that's there for uh, yeah

[wary crest]

Cause let’s be so fr who has actually crafted a chlorophyte jackhammer

[tired adder]

I saw it either on chieflogan or yardis's streams, where they were making an arena with it

[hollow harness]

clip farming

[rare tinsel]

i did actually

[cobalt wharf]

bad example when that’s like the one tier with a boss who interacts with walls

[rare tinsel]

is there better at that stage,

[cobalt wharf]

spectre hamaxe would be a better example

[blazing field]

building moment

[fierce hearth]

Wait I just realized what they did to the borealwood hammer what the fuck??

[rare tinsel]

i really like the haemorrhaxe

[wary crest]

Didn’t even know that existed

[hollow harness]

yea its part of the spectre tools

[wary crest]

Then again I haven’t made spectre bars since 1.3

It’s been a while since I played mage

[hollow harness]

The most important tools there are the painting tool upgrades

[rare tinsel]

hopefully calamity makes you do it now

[fierce hearth]

They made the boreal wood hammer's usetime superior to the fucking pwnhammer, but reduced its power to equal the base wood hammer, which effectively increased it's speed by 50% bc it takes 3 hits instead of 2 to break a wall, but strikes over twice as fast

[rare tinsel]

because spectre wings are goated

[brittle escarp]

Aren’t they slower than the reaver jet pack?

[rare tinsel]

Back in ancient times, yeah, but not anymore

[brittle escarp]

Huh

[rare tinsel]

Four. Hundred. Percent. Acceleration.

might be five hundred actually

[brittle escarp]

?

[rare tinsel]

they’re SO snappy

[strange cargo]

500 cigarettes

[rare tinsel]

They accelerate extremely quickly

[rare tinsel]

While their MAXIMUM horizontal speed is marginally reduced

[lapis oak]

@ doze please explain

[rare tinsel]

Their horizontal and vertical acceleration are incredible

[brittle escarp]

Huh

[rare tinsel]

Just use them for like, five seconds and you’ll see what I mean

[brittle escarp]

Better than hadal/fishron?

[rare tinsel]

Yes

They’re better than lunar wings lao

[brittle escarp]

👀

[strange cargo]

it means its like magilum for wings if im reading this correctly

[fierce hearth]

I wanna calculate optimal hammer progression for vanilla and calamity now because this is entertaining to me for some reason

[brittle escarp]

Surely they are going to get obliterated

[rare tinsel]

[brittle escarp]

One billion nerfs

Next patch they are worse than fledgling wings

You use them and it rips your legs off

Irl

[fierce hearth]

Also fun fact hammer power greater than 67% provides zero benefits

[strange cargo]

10000 more curses upon mage players

[tired adder]

https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/whats-the-most-unbalanced-weapon-in-terraria.143460/page-3#post-3326291
found it

[still cobalt]

67 hahahahahah

[strange cargo]

@lapis oak

[fierce hearth]

:(

[lapis oak]

SIX SEVEN!!!

[fierce hearth]

I'm sorry y'all it wasn't my intention

[brittle escarp]

Nah it’s too late

[strange cargo]

🍅

[brittle escarp]

Off to the gulag with you

It’s the only way

[tired adder]

did terraria devs predict 6-7 back in 2013?

[strange cargo]

popularmmos did back in like 2018

[wary crest]

Aw man I missed 6:07 pm

Now it’s 6:08

[tired adder]

I actually got this video recommended 2 days ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qt8pcPSrg0

comment section is full of bewildered people who are watching this 13 years later

even more

[rare tinsel]

didn’t he get arrested

[tired adder]

according to google search, "why 6 is afraid of 7? 7 ate 9" is very old English anecdote

[fierce hearth]

Hammer progression:

• wooden hammer: 1.25 sec
• lead/silver/evil: 0.64 sec
• meteor: 0.54 sec
• rockfish/molten/pwn: 0.24 sec
• haemmorhaxe: 0.18 sec
• chloro jackhammer: 0.07 sec
• nimble+ spectre/the axe/lunar: 0.05 sec

All other hammers can be ignored

[frozen horizon]

I think PopularMMOs got detained for alleged drug possession at some point.

[rare tinsel]

Ah

[rare tinsel]

Is that time per wall break?

[fierce hearth]

Yup

[rare tinsel]

So preboss it looks like Rockfish wins

[wary crest]

Wood
Pwn
Lunar
The rest are scams made by big wall to sell more hammers

[fierce hearth]

By a landslide

[rare tinsel]

Haemorrhaxe is a lotta fun though. Just because it’s the coolest sounding thing ever

Calamity should make it a little larger and make enemues explode into a comical amount of gores

[fierce hearth]

Calamity hammers are probably a totally different can of worms, with tool changes

Lemme see what I can do for that

Oh god why why why

Why did they do these things

🐴

[still cobalt]

hes gotten arrested/detained/in trouble with the law a lot

[fierce hearth]

I'm switching to ticks to make the math less annoying, just do the x/60 yourself for the time in seconds

[tired adder]

xyk is here

is he going to give us the super duper charged hammer?

[frozen horizon]

Lowk that sounds like a Daedric Prince from Elder Scrolls.

[lapis oak]

math or meth

[still cobalt]

DRAEDON REF

[boreal pewter]

iirc wooden hammers are fast but weak, making them less optimal for wall destruction but perfect for tile sloping, where as the other stronger hammers are much more efficient at removing walls and once you get lategame the hammers there can do both very well

[rare tinsel]

daedric artifact

[fierce hearth]

WHY DID CALAMITY CHANGE MOLTEN HAMAXE'S HAMMER POWER AND NOT THE TOOL SPEED???

70 AND 75 ARE IDENTICAL IM

Jsjfkekgkrrig

AAAAA

[dusk bronze]

[frozen horizon]

Valid or Invalid Crashout?

[lapis oak]

why are you yelling

[hollow harness]

See this is why you don't open Vanilla item changes pages on a sunday

Comedy central

[fierce hearth]

It's so incredibly stupid, it's nothing! It's maddening! Every value 70+ is purely aesthetic! Why increase it!?!

[tired adder]

yahiamice and calamity fans be united in their disdain for horses

[frozen horizon]

Who is Yahiamice? Is that a Yharim thing

[hollow harness]

Yahiamice is a youtuber

[still cobalt]

I HATE HAMAXE PROGRESSION
sorry i just like hamaxes but you are stuck with molten until spectre

[unique warren]

We just saying anything now

[strange cargo]

We have been since you started it

[unique warren]

[tired adder]

so say something you want to say!

[unique warren]

I’m just saying that “hamaxe progression” is a very funny thing

[still cobalt]

not really.
same thing as pickaxe progresison

[unique warren]

I mean it is just so hyperspecific lol

[brittle escarp]

We should combine every tier of pickaxe, axe, and hammer into “The Doer” (tm) and it does the thing

[tired adder]

that's what hamdrax was in 1.1

[brittle escarp]

True

[fierce hearth]

Calamity hammer progression:

• wooden: 33 tic
• copper: 24 tic
• rockfish/silver/tungsten: 20 tic
• gold/platinum: 18 tic
• evil: 13 tic
• pwn: 11 tic
• abyssal: 10 tic
• chloro jackhammer: 4 tic
• nimble+ spectre: 3 tic
• nimble+ seismic: 3-2 tic (unsure)
• nimble+ grax 3-2 tic (unsure)

[brittle escarp]

I didn’t join until 1.2 sadly

[strange cargo]

Hamdrax I miss you

[hollow harness]

homeward journey has one tool that is just 100% power on pickaxe, axe and hammer

I don't know how it works

[fierce hearth]

Note that calamity hammers start faster than vanilla meteor

[strange cargo]

Honestly im just missing a paxel since I play less mc

[rare tinsel]

do paxels include hoes

[strange cargo]

Depends on the mod

[blazing field]

pahmxe

Or

Pammxe

Yeah that'd be the terraria omnitool

[lapis oak]

in RLCraf yees

[blazing field]

A pammxe

[rare tinsel]

RLCraft is great I should play it again

[strange cargo]

I think that the terraspark boots need an upgrade between angel treads and it tbh speaking of combinations of items

[lapis oak]

I wanna try 2.10 beta but I'm having a Cal playthrough right now

[fierce hearth]

I disagree, terraspark is cracked pre-hm and holds up fine for the mechs

[brittle escarp]

Terraspark is just lightning with a funny hat tho

[fierce hearth]

Plus if you want something intermediate there's fairy boots and hellfire treads

[brittle escarp]

I far prefer frog boots

[strange cargo]

It just feels off bc I always speedrun terraspark

[hollow harness]

Terraspark is ultimate convenience boots

[rare tinsel]

they do! fairy boots

strangely enough fairy boots are also an upgrade to angel treads

[strange cargo]

Those are spetcre plus flower boot isnt it

[rare tinsel]

Strange!

[frozen horizon]

There should be a meteorite flail called “Meteor Hammer” because Meteor Hammers are an actual type of flail.

[hollow harness]

If you want something better for you know combat purposes you have the ones you craft with frog leg which are nice or fairy or hellfire treads

[brittle escarp]

That’s really funny

Maybe in gfb the meteor hammaxe just works like a flail for no reason

[frozen horizon]

They could've called that new “Starcrash” Whip “Meteor Hammer”.

[strange cargo]

Are those fairys it spawns really that good?

[rare tinsel]

yeah

it’s 6 DEF, 2 HP/s and some other stats nobody cares about

[brittle escarp]

TRUE

[brittle escarp]

That’s not bad

[strange cargo]

Just have to run them with wings right

[brittle escarp]

Is it better than frog boots

Assuming you have wings

[rare tinsel]

An accessory with just those defensive stats would be great

[rare tinsel]

Yeah

[fierce hearth]

I've requested a rogue weapon that's a kusarigama before

[lapis oak]

hey that's mean to some other stats nobody cares about

[rare tinsel]

debatable

[lapis oak]

be nice

[rare tinsel]

jump speed is a cracked stat

but regen is also a cracked stat

so who knows!!!

[frozen horizon]

What pun can you make with “kusarigama”?

[rare tinsel]

actually no just use both

[rare tinsel]

kusorigami
it’s folded paper

[fierce hearth]

No puns just the fact that it's a meteor hammer with a kama on the other side

[rare tinsel]

also make it a F tier weapon so it’s shit

(kuso means shit)

[fierce hearth]

I wanted it bc it'd be nice to have more rogue weapons with stealth strikes that are fully distinct from the spam

[frozen horizon]

Kusorigama would be a paper flail/scythe?

[fierce hearth]

(spam is the hammer, stealth strike is the kama)

[rare tinsel]

A paper scythe would be sick asf tho

[frozen horizon]

Kusarigami could also be a name.

[frozen horizon]

If you hit something with the scythe on the end rather than the chain itself, the scythe releases 1 paper airplane on a regular hit, and 5 on a stealth strike.

@donors get on this.

[rare tinsel]

holy fuck that sounds like a peak preboss weapon

[frozen horizon]

That would be a fun item line that leads up to Celestus.

[amber egret]

yknow those like

paper claws

those but steadily more complex origami

[frozen horizon]

There could be a Queen Bee upgrade that has a stinger scythe on the end and releases bees on hit.

[young notch]

Finally got to this point. Now to wait for the next hotfix.

[amber egret]

thats a lot of uh

dust

why so muc dust

Why So Dustious

[frozen horizon]

Or there could be Draconic Swarmer alternative item that releases tiny draconic swarmers on the tipper (now a scythe) and has red lightning as chain.

[frozen horizon]

Since Dragonfolly is being swapped with Evil2 eventually™.

Then a PBG upgrade for the Queen Bee one and a Yharon upgrade for the Dragonfolly one.

[gritty crest]

Do patreon members get more info about upcoming updates?

[vivid hemlock]

sorta but it depends

for example the patreon also doesnt know what the next big update is

(its not sso if youre wondering)

[lapis oak]

I know what the next big update is

it's SSO

[vivid hemlock]

youre sso

as in youre not getting healthcare anymore

[lapis oak]

wtf

[strange cargo]

Its horrible hog guys

Im a patreon member trust me

[dusty tinsel]

Hello kiri

How are you

[strange cargo]

For legal reasons this a joke and I know nothing of the next update than whats available to the general public

(Legal as in rule breaking)

[vivid hemlock]

sorry your time is up pal

commence the ritual

[wicked halo]

I'm still wondering what will happen to Dragonfolly's drops when it gets retiered.

Like Gilded Proboscis already got reworked in Brainstorm.

It's clearly designed for post-ML.

[vivid hemlock]

death

[arctic cliff]

i reckon it'll not move from its spot in post-ML, just that its obtainment method will not be by fighting the dragonfolly

[wicked halo]

It's probably getting rethemed.

[molten grove]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3680323138&searchtext=

[young notch]

Oh thanks lmao

[wicked halo]

10 bucks it will be Profaned-themed.

[vivid hemlock]

nothing lasts forever

its gonna get eaten up

[molten grove]

can we get more items not strictly themed to existing palettes iirc……

[wicked halo]

I guess.

[deft lily]

i think every item in calamity should share the same art palette

that way, you know its from cal. no more "which item is this mod from?" mod

[severe coral]

Terraria should do what Rain World did and the colour of everything is set by a big fat brick of different coloured pixels and each biome has their own arcane brick of pixels

And everything is sprited in a hideous shade of deep red

It would work trust

[lapis oak]

👊

[dusty tinsel]

why?

i am just saying hi

[deft lily]

not cool kiri

not cool

[dusty tinsel]

kiri hates me for no reason

[deft lily]

kiri hates everyone

[lapis oak]

I'm just greeting

[dusk bronze]

kiri shall be eviscerated for this transgression

[dusty tinsel]

kiri the grand hater

[lapis oak]

Nuh uh

[deft lily]

trans-gression?
is rayse trans? 🤔

[dusty tinsel]

if you didn't have nickname changing perms that would be your new name

i am not trans

[deft lily]

let me guess

you exist

[dusty tinsel]

i do yes

[dusk bronze]

proof?

[dusty tinsel]

it's a joke though i am a guy

[deft lily]

i see

i am nothing but a shadow

[polar tide]

mrrowp

[deft lily]

that happens to exist on the internet

[dusk bronze]

mewo

[dusty tinsel]

i am playing mtg arena 🔥

[deft lily]

i see

[dusty tinsel]

mtg go brrrrr

[polar tide]

mrrow mrrow mrrrrr mrrrowp

[deft lily]

alex you smell

[polar tide]

:(

[deft lily]

NO

[dusk bronze]

umbara shall be eviscerated for this transgression

[deft lily]

SORYR IMSORY\

[dusty tinsel]

banning umbara

[deft lily]

😔

[dusty tinsel]

i keep wanting to call you umbra

[deft lily]

a lot of people do

mainly when im in a vc

[dusty tinsel]

hello umbra

[deft lily]

hello rayse

[dusty tinsel]

this is your punishment for being mean to carny

[deft lily]

@polar tide im sowwy pwease forgive me 👉 👈

[polar tide]

after what you said to me...? you will be marinated in liquid shit for all eternity

[deft lily]

😔

[deft lily]

get that shit out of here

[dusk bronze]

good point! unfortunately: hog

[deft lily]

ravager rework cancelled

[polar tide]

@stoic kestrel have you seen this

[dusty tinsel]

i ate ravager so yes

[frozen horizon]

Bro's going to get put in liquid Blood Pact?

[deft lily]

how'd it taste

[dusk bronze]

[dusty tinsel]

gummy bears

[deft lily]

yummers

😋

[dusty tinsel]

sour green apple gummy bears

[lapis oak]

Why green apple

It's red

[dusty tinsel]

because i like green apple

[lapis oak]

Good

Green Apple > Red Apple

[dapper ridge]

whens the anhita buff

[dusk bronze]

yesterday

you missed it

[dapper ridge]

actaull;y

[dusk bronze]

it's gone forever now

sad

[dapper ridge]

oh

[still cobalt]

i do not enjoy this

[dapper ridge]

why

[earnest jewel]

Limited time event.

Come back next week, you'll find Xeroc under the truck.

[dusty tinsel]

xeroc is too big for the truck obviously

[earnest jewel]

Just get a bigger truck.

[dusty tinsel]

there are none

[earnest jewel]

No trucks?
Surely we can develop larger, monstrously large trucks.
...monster trucks... I think I like that name.

[dusty tinsel]

you would need a truck so big you would die

[earnest jewel]

Trucks, uh, find a way.

[dusty tinsel]

i don't actually know how large xeroc is

[hollow harness]

The 48 wheeler

[strange cargo]

It never said xeroc had to be fully under or concealed by the truck

[earnest jewel]

Well, probably smaller than the Dragon Aerie, and I feel they're perhaps bigger than a baby.

[dusty tinsel]

1 micrometer larger than a baby

[strange cargo]

How big of a baby are we talking here?

[dusty tinsel]

the smallest baby

[strange cargo]

Like 8inches long prolly

Tall

[dusty tinsel]

not even human

[strange cargo]

Not long lmao

[dusty tinsel]

the smallest actual baby creature

[strange cargo]

Okay so a microrganism

[dusty tinsel]

yes

[strange cargo]

That would fit under a hot wheels truck

[earnest jewel]

Xeroc can fit underneath a hot wheels truck... adding to the document.

[strange cargo]

Does this mean xeroc has a napoleon complex?

[earnest jewel]

No, I don't think he's French.

[wary igloo]

is it a complex when you're genuinely this powerful

[fierce hearth]

Gilded proboscis doesn't need to be retiered because we can pretty easily have new crafting ingredients based on draconic remains (weak) compared to auric essence (strong)

[earnest jewel]

Auric Essence?

[fierce hearth]

Uhhhh whatever Yharon drops

Souls, whatever

[earnest jewel]

Yharon Soul Fragments?

[fierce hearth]

Yes

[echo pier]

Did you guys realize that filling golem's room entirely with water is an excellent move you can do?

[fierce hearth]

Yup

I flooded the vernal pass in my last playthrough to slaughter PBG

[earnest jewel]

Then you cover it in oil...

[hasty tangle]

too sweaty for my liking

maybe for ftw/gfb or smth

[earnest jewel]

No, no, with a bucket, a bucket!

[fierce hearth]

I hate PBG so I did it to kick its ass in Fathom Swarmer armor

[echo pier]

It's good because golem's fireball turn you on fire but hey you're on water removing the debuff instantly, and fireballs are also slowed down in liquids, also golem moves slower in liquids

and calamity has lot of armors and accessories which give you lot of boosts when submerged in liquid

[fierce hearth]

Not to mention accessories and armor that give buffs underwater

[echo pier]

Yeah exactly

you can also use flipper potion so you have the perfect mobility even without a platform in the room

[echo pier]

Yeah that's what i'm gonna do for malice mode golem

[echo pier]

Which ones would you suggest to use?

[strange cargo]

I feel like golem should enrage if someone hoiks into or otherwise enters the temple without unlocking the door

[lapis oak]

omg I just saw a Terraria fanart so good...

[dusty tinsel]

you can't just say this and not say what it is

[earnest jewel]

The gatekeeper stands alone, even without their electrons.

[fierce hearth]

Golem is ironically a slightly awkward spot for good options. Mounts aren't the best idea and you just got access to the asgard's valor so the benefits of the deep diver are far less appealing

[lapis oak]

fine ere

[fierce hearth]

Sauce?

[frozen horizon]

That's Terraria?

[hushed crown]

that looks sick bruh

the terraprisma looks like wings

[lapis oak]

https://x.com/Mizutsunya/status/2033263134241407268/photo/1

mizu ミズツニャ (@Mizutsunya)

i drew my terraria character idk

X · Mar 15, 2026, 7:24 PM

[fierce hearth]

Fucks like hell tho

I like the vortex beater barely visible

[dusty tinsel]

are they rocking the terraprism?

[sudden cairn]

rip back

[hushed crown]

yah

[sudden cairn]

those wings must be heavy

[hushed crown]

i only just noticed the vortex beater

[dusty tinsel]

what wings are those

[hushed crown]

tattered fairy maybe?

or maybe one from the dev sets

[frozen horizon]

Looks like V1's wings.

[sudden cairn]

dont think so

looks like angel wings

[hollow harness]

Yea those wings are from one dev's set

[strange cargo]

Devset id imagine

[hushed crown]

devset wings always go crazy

[strange cargo]

🐌
I am now a snail

[frozen horizon]

Devsets really stretch the definition of “Wings”.

[dusty tinsel]

the snailiest of snails

[strange cargo]

Speaking of vortex beater, no one answered my question earlier — Hows the vortex beater nowadays, with grape beer or chlorophyte bullets? I don’t play much ranger and am curious.

[hollow harness]

Oh those wings could also be ChickenBones' dev set wings

[hushed crown]

that's the terraprisma

[young notch]

I still remember when Ghostar became a dev like that wasn't on my bingo card at all

but it makes sense in hindsight

[hushed crown]

wait actually

[fathom girder]

With chloro bullets it's still a classic

[hushed crown]

it could be terraprisma and chicken bones

[frozen horizon]

Rainbow Dye on wings.

[hushed crown]

yeah

[echo pier]

Why asgard valor's ram dash doesn't work against golem?

you still take damage regardless

[fierce hearth]

Last patch made the timing much tighter, it might be difficult or even impossible to fully pass through him during the iframes

The damage is the same duration as pre-patch, but the iframes are now only for the first part of the dash

[lapis oak]

Man Eating party

[lapis oak]

you can't ram Golem when it's jumping

[fierce hearth]

ahhh

[fathom girder]

Stood in one spot for 4 seconds

[vestal osprey]

Havent checked in with calamity in a while, wonder if we got anything ne...

Is that an upgrade line for the damn stepstool???

[echo pier]

Malice mode golem defeated

omg, never again

[summer fern]

how bad was he?

[echo pier]

😭 😭 😭

A LOTTTTTTTTTTT

[young notch]

Oh damn

[summer fern]

i can tell
congrats tho

[echo pier]

Had to defeat ravager and astrum deus for better loot and scoria pickaxe to destroy lizhard bricks so i could make the golem arena bigger, then fill it with water so it slows down golem and nerfs it's fire projectile feats and speed, put every buff in the arena including 3 heart statuses, use accessories and other stuff which buff you when submerged on liquids

and it was still a very hard and close call win against golem

[dull heart]

yeah it's bad

[young notch]

What mode? I actually really like what Calamity does with Golem

[echo pier]

Malice

[young notch]

Oh lol

Nice job with the tier skipping at least :p

[echo pier]

Yeah otherwise i wouldn't have stood a chance

now i gotta find a way to beat lunatic cultist

can you do dragon folly before defeating lunatic cultist?

[dull heart]

no

[young notch]

nah you need the ancient manipulator for that

[echo pier]

i see

[viral crypt]

Malice is on a different level holy shit

[distant raft]

wait until you get to ceaseless

[lethal kraken]

reading through the like upcoming and potential changes and yea even if i still really like current and previous version of calamity still the new looks very very cool

[frozen horizon]

Does this kinda look like it?

[agile latch]

gun that strikes

[rough vine]

three bangle

[lethal kraken]

Waow

[lapis oak]

Tringle sprite posting 👀 ❗ ❗

[dusk bronze]

poiler

[grim pecan]

o, that's a pal.

[agile latch]

Pal from palworld

The pal striker

[vale finch]

[tacit zephyr]

Whatever you do DO NOT use Phantasmal Fury on a Malice Mode Dog in Multiplayer (extremely loud)

[grim pecan]

how the hell

do you have a longer recording?

[tacit zephyr]

I can get one if I can replicate it

[grim pecan]

i've seen a few of these clips floating around but nothing concrete. if this is an actual issue it needs to get fixed asap

[tacit zephyr]

I'm going to try to purposely die while the lasers are going on because I think that's when it happened, but Phantasmal Fury, for multiplayer, once I use it it causes the Dog to separate by segments and warp around and makes the weapon impossible to use and once I stop using it the segments go back together and everything is smooth and fine, and it's just me and 1 friend using the weapon

[grim pecan]

please submit a bug report for these

[tacit zephyr]

sure thing

[arctic cliff]

what in tarnation is this

what on earth

[arctic cliff]

dog if he was canonically not a fraud:

[unique warren]

Hi does anyone here play on Mac

[frail owl]

meow

[lean relic]

this bug is big, like wall of flesh miracle blight crash

[wise bolt]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G-EYItmW8AE8F3a.gif

[wide nova]

ts would go viral

[ionic folio]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-sin-forgiveness-virtual-sin-virtual-sin-tiktok-sin-forgiveness-gif-12707700347974879749

[lapis oak]

bro what the fuck 😭

Calamity

[warm sinew]

holy shit can the infernum devs please rework polterghast

[warm sinew]

this is actually bs

[dusk bronze]

wrong channel
also they're not gonna

[warm sinew]

a minute long desperation phase

[dusk bronze]

infernum stopped getting content updates years ago

[lapis oak]

you can only cry

Infernum is finished updating

[warm sinew]

shame

[tribal isle]

Vermin

[amber egret]

"Fuck you! I'm allowed to be cocky so Fuck you!" - dog, likely

[wise bolt]

quite rude to call a developer that, you know

[lapis oak]

astrum deus

[frail owl]

astrum deez

[lean relic]

random ass fact: in 1.4.5, relogic accidentally fixed hoiks with their countless additions and modifications
very soon after, they promptly released a patch that un-fixed it

[fierce hearth]

Hoiks are necessary

We need them

[azure oak]

trongle sprite cool

what is it, a marnite gun or smth?

[tired adder]

platform hoiks, not hoiks in general

very different

[deft lily]

goated relogic

• as someone who's never used hoiks before

[fresh pendant]

whats a hoik

[pseudo vector]

idk what a hoik is either

i've just heard the word tossed around

[tribal isle]

There’s no way

[azure oak]

weird bug with hammered platforms that moves the player around

[pseudo vector]

i see

[azure oak]

can be used to move around very fast and clip through walls

[fresh pendant]

Oh yeah that

[hollow harness]

Most famous use case is using hammered platforms to let projectiles go through tiles or letting yourself go through 1-tile gaps (such as the temple door)

[plush carbon]

Feature*

[hardy gulch]

hoiks are not a bug, especially not nowadays

[solemn crest]

They used to be and relogic was like “yeah just keep them in”

[tardy shale]

is the wulfrum helmet fixed?

i have a issue where it crashed my tmod

[main estuary]

ogsculian annihilator array

[main estuary]

what were you doing with it for your game to crash?

[hasty hawk]

yep especially back then when we had no way for fast transport or logic gates

Now we have em

So their only use case now is clipping into stuff early or transporting mobs or items

which a conveyor can also do

[fathom girder]

hoik tech is useful for grand dad tech

[still cobalt]

This id good bc they said theyd keep them in

[half lava]

True Melee Sentry™

[fathom girder]

I PATENTED THAT.

gonna have to ask for royalties for its mere mention I'm afraid

[hardy gulch]

Malice Mode DoG when he catches you using Lacerator in the big 26

[inner timber]

hoik does it faster im afraid

[rare tinsel]

Sue

[fresh pendant]

Whats the meme with lacerator and dog

Its even in the tooltip

[tardy shale]

I was jus wearing it in vanity and accessory then it crashed when re-entered after i save and exit

[cinder hearth]

Iirc, someone in the old days did a yoyo only playthrough and used lacerator against DOG and it sucked unfathomable ass?

[tardy shale]

I also hv a recording of it on yt btw

[fresh pendant]

Yoyos could never be bad

Best weapon type

[fathom girder]

Lacerator was rather bad at the time

It's fine now

But the cal devs are thinking about removing a bunch of yoyos due to not knowing wtf to do with any of them

Which y'know. Not the worst thing but I'd rather they were reworked

[azure oak]

has anybody in the history of the entire mod even used the aorta, quagmire or pandemic

[fathom girder]

I used pandemic

And aorta actually too

I don't remember if I used quagmire

[azure oak]

at least i got one of 'em

[fathom girder]

The problem is that they're bland and boring mostly

They function, but it's not exactly anything impressive or interesting

[dull heart]

No it's not

[fathom girder]

Is it still not

Even with spite candle??

[cinder hearth]

Idk why but imo yoyos feel so bland and unsatisfying

Try to keep a thing that lags behind your cursor near an enemy and it does some projectiles. Wow.

Blazing revelation might be an exception now but eh

[fathom girder]

Oml

[dull heart]

it got hit by the shark hammer

[fathom girder]

I'd once again like to extend my offer to you in regards to yoyo rework ideas

[dull heart]

Lacerator is at least more interesting because the position of the yoyo relative to the enemy matters

[fathom girder]

Cuz I can throw some stuff at you guys

[opal kettle]

yo was calamity reworked? now death mode is master exclusive? and massive nerfs to all bosses?>

right after i reached hardmode... ofcourse

[dull heart]

Yeah this happened like a month ago

a month and 10 days

[opal kettle]

fahh