calamity-update-talk

[deft lily]

dude
spit it out

[misty wren]

it is

[deft lily]

😠

[strange cargo]

1.2.4 was the first version I played :3

It was 1.0.9 on console tho

[grave geyser]

5, hundred, avalon references

[dusty tinsel]

I can't it's stuck

[deft lily]

okay then
🔪

[strange cargo]

Version differences and all that — same update I think tho

[lyric trellis]

Meteor fist stealth

[dusty tinsel]

🔪

[deft lily]

AH!

[misty wren]

i still remember it when it was called starfall its so hard to get used to it being star shower

[deft lily]

wonder how many calamity mobile players there are...

[misty wren]

calamity mod na telefonie

[dusty tinsel]

I would hope 0 as I am like 90% sure you can't play it legally on the phone

Because no tmod

[strange cargo]

^^

[misty wren]

you can but only through a pc emulator and i think gog

[deft lily]

erm

[urban cloak]

ik there's some weird mod loader app you can buy for like $2 or smth

thats the only way ive seen folks play mods on mobile terraria

[rotund venture]

uh oh who's getting banned for discussing crime terraria

[dusty tinsel]

Yah, but is that legal

[deft lily]

probably not

[urban cloak]

probably not but im not sure of the specifics

[dusty tinsel]

You are

[deft lily]

i just searched up terraria calamity on mobile via youtube and looked at the first thing that came up

[dusty tinsel]

We need a scapegoat

[rotund venture]

you can ban me but then I'm downgrading to cosmilite tier

so slightly less money each month

that'll show you

[deft lily]

what...
no, dude...

😔

[rotund venture]

toothpaste solidarity I know

[deft lily]

im going to donate 1 trillion ozzacoins to ozzatron

[dusty tinsel]

Disables your ability to stop paying /j

[deft lily]

what if i donated exactly 67 dollars

[rotund venture]

we should start a calamity crypto

[deft lily]

and devalue it 5 minutes after it drops

what could go wrong?

[dusty tinsel]

Report you to the authorities for war crimes

[rotund venture]

surely this is a good plan for everyone involved

[deft lily]

plot twist: i am the authorities

[polar tide]

[stands up bravely] i'll do it

[deft lily]

[dusty tinsel]

Rip carny they have been banned 😔

[deft lily]

dude...

uncool...

[polar tide]

carnymassacre died for your sins

[strange cargo]

Horrible hog comes tomorrow to revive carny

[deft lily]

true!

[rotund venture]

the hog does not revive people

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-fairy-glitter-leo-dude-fuck-yes-gif-996220195472280544

[deft lily]

horrible hog tomorrow

[rotund venture]

the hog chases people

[dusty tinsel]

Horrible hog hmmmmm will be a tasty breakfast tomorrow

[strange cargo]

It needs people to chase

Therefore it revives people

[vivid hemlock]

no dude... horrible hog is HORRIBLE, you need something divine to save carny...

[rotund venture]

what a cruel creature

[strange cargo]

It also may be a green goblin situation with the divine swine and horrible hog

It’s unclear

[rotund venture]

carny does your name mean carnival massacre?

[polar tide]

horrible hog is to piggy what the abrasive side is to spongebob

[polar tide]

yes

[strange cargo]

Dev said it, therefore it’s canon

[rotund venture]

I've cracked the code the horrible hog chases people at carnivals and then revives them so it can chase them again

[polar tide]

this sounds like a dream i'd have

[obtuse hawk]

ponge bob

[strange cargo]

Put it in the lore and futures docs

[vivid hemlock]

sorry im censoring all of this

the truth will never come out

[rotund venture]

yeah those docs need more misinformation you're right

[strange cargo]

Its not misinformation if its true

I was joking about putting it in. Jeez louise I can’t catch a break today

[vivid hemlock]

actually, ive commisioned crispy to make a horrible hog expose doc that will kill anyone who opens it

[rotund venture]

dw I was also joking

[dusty tinsel]

Horrible hog bacon

[rotund venture]

borrible bog hacon

[mortal sinew]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Disgusting_Meat

[dusty tinsel]

It would be borrible hog hacon

I will be responsible for the entire horrible hog species extinction

[strange cargo]

There is only one.

He’s coming

[dusty tinsel]

Your welcome

I ate the rest

[vivid hemlock]

thats not the horrible hog, its something worse

[dusty tinsel]

Old duke

But different

[vivid hemlock]

whos that

[barren nacelle]

I’ve accidentally trapped a soul within and can’t get it out

It’s begun to possess my electronics

[dusty tinsel]

I don't know the name of the creature replacing old duke

[barren nacelle]

Older Duke

[vivid hemlock]

idk who this old duke is

[dusty tinsel]

Boomer fishron

[vivid hemlock]

wtf

who would come up with such a horrible idea

[dusty tinsel]

Fabsol

[barren nacelle]

Who?

[vivid hemlock]

whos that

[blazing field]

one winged hog

[vivid hemlock]

i alone am the one who hogs

[young notch]

15 kills and no wings I am genuinely going to slap someone

[lyric vortex]

Could bite the bullet and go for Empress Wings or Hoverboard

[blazing field]

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done.

Hog is coming.

[dusk bronze]

prepare

prepare

none shall be spared

[valid crypt]

Mahograga

[brittle escarp]

Yo Mahoraga calamity? It could be a funny reskin of the stardust guardian if you have a special name

That would be funny

[blazing field]

Hog is coming.

[brittle escarp]

👀

[azure oak]

nah, it's ma-hog-raga

[terse dew]

will horrible hog drop bacon

[brittle escarp]

The divine swine:

[terse dew]

this is important information

[blazing field]

distusting meat ...

[brittle escarp]

Evil bacon

[blazing field]

disgusting

i can spell

[terse dew]

suspicious scran

[lapis oak]

Merk dev is back

[terse dew]

😋

[brittle escarp]

What about the divine swine? Heavenly bacon?

[blazing field]

the hog's arrival has been foreshadowed since brainstorm

this meat is truly disgusting

[brittle escarp]

The hog was promised to us 2 months ago

[dusk bronze]

citation needed

[dusty tinsel]

Bacon cheese burger, but using horrible hog and divine swine bacon

[pearl sentinel]

with this carrot i summon

[brittle escarp]

“With this sacred carrot, I summon, divine swine, mahograga”

Divine swine boss fight when?

[deft lily]

im tired can someone kill me

[rotund venture]

👊 💥

[deft lily]

thanks

[still cobalt]

3 bacon

[dusk bronze]

delicious meat

[brittle escarp]

Better than exquisitely stuffed when?

[still cobalt]

thats disgusting meat

[steep pagoda]

horrible hog drops horrendous ham

[severe coral]

Putrid Pork

Chop?

[unique warren]

Repulsive Rinds

[severe coral]

🔥_ _

Also Blessed Bacon

Illustrious Loin?

Holy Ham

[unique warren]

peak…

[stoic lance]

did they nerf onyx drill

[mystic eagle]

Correct

[stoic lance]

worst update oat

[deft lily]

ok

anyways

[deft lily]

yes

[severe coral]

Who someone's goin ham in the spoilers doc

[deft lily]

apparently someone cleaned it up a lot

[severe coral]

Bru

[brittle escarp]

Holy ham and blessed bacon are fire

[severe coral]

Can't hav eshit

[deft lily]

🤷‍♂️

im not chronically online enough to be staring at it all day

[severe coral]

Dude I just like looking at sprites fuk u

[deft lily]

what

[lyric trellis]

Interesting

[deft lily]

anyways
i dont really see how the item revealed in the latest spoiler would be of great use

outside of just
haha stool that launches you

[cobalt wharf]

you are infact not seeing the full functions of the items in spoilers

[grave geyser]

crazy

[deft lily]

?

[cobalt wharf]

especially in calamity where bad accessories usually have random stats given to them to make them usable

[deft lily]

sure ig

[cobalt wharf]

anyways having the option to super increase jump height and speed at will on is not bad actually

[deft lily]

im not saying it is i just dont see how it can be useful

[grave geyser]

hold on sagi sent it in another server

nvm I'm lazy

[lapis oak]

send me

[deft lily]

happens to the best of us

[grave geyser]

uhhh it was in yardis discord I think
hotkey make you go up gain crit chance on anything below you or smth like that

[deft lily]

uh
cool i guess?

[hollow harness]

jarvis añadele 5 de critico al banquito

[lyric trellis]

What the hell

Doze what did you make real

[lapis oak]

sagi why...

spoilers in random ass places...

[grave geyser]

look all I'm saying is if this is real does that mean the other one is too

[deft lily]

yeah very strange thing to do

but what do i know

[lyric trellis]

Should be clearly

[grave geyser]

in time

[pseudo vector]

tbf vanilla also has a lot of items that're just fun silly things

[deft lily]

good point

[pseudo vector]

so it doesn't hurt to have some things that're just fun

[grave geyser]

reminds me of people genuenely complaining when rain armor showed up in changelogs about how it was pointless
and then rain armor actually released

[deft lily]

every fun item in cal must be required to kill scal otherwise its pointless bloat!

[severe coral]

This guy gets it

I love phase skipping Yharon with Feral Bobber

[deft lily]

idek what rain armor is

[grave geyser]

yknow rain zombies that show up when its raining

[deft lily]

yeah?

[hasty hawk]

best to overwhelm them

[severe coral]

Jumping with Rain Armour dealt damage or something

[grave geyser]

they drop a rain set
cal gave it a set bonus
it was a genuene contender for the most broken calamity item of all time

[deft lily]

i see

[hasty hawk]

Will be able to perhaps ride a hog?

[deft lily]

horrible hog update tomorrow

[hasty hawk]

To be a hog rider?

[deft lily]

what the fuck is that image

[fathom girder]

infinite dread and despair

[hushed hazel]

This is how I be feeling rn

[deft lily]

horrifying

[fathom girder]

It's the face of a cat from somethin' called the theoretical cat piano

[deft lily]

i see

[distant agate]

death mode plantera is fucking insane

she has so much health

[deft lily]

you have not fought her on multiplayer

😨

[distant agate]

correct

[deft lily]

consequence of fab having his 24th bottle of vodka that very day

[distant agate]

is she just like

broken on multiplayer or what

[deft lily]

probably

that and also very tanky with projectiles you can't see 90% of the time

unironically prob the new worst rev+ vanilla boss tbh lol

[grave geyser]

yeah no

[deft lily]

if you say prime i dont blame you

[grave geyser]

prime is down there but like bottom 3 is still dest eow wof to me

[severe coral]

Wait what?

For Revengeance?

[grave geyser]

what is there to be enjoyed about any of them

[deft lily]

dest?

oh destroyer

im dumb

[severe coral]

You could be fighting vanilla prime 💀

Literally 💀

He just sits there

YO

[deft lily]

fair enough

[severe coral]

If his arms had like double health and there was no limbless version he just died like Solus Wing

That'd be fun I think

[grave geyser]

like the other bad ones are bad but like
at least prime or golem have something going for them even if that something is "he has more than 2 attacks"

[deft lily]

at least destroyer is beatable

at least for me it was

[distant agate]

FUCK

[severe coral]

Invest in alcohol

trust

Fireball and literally any fire debuff works wonders

[lapis oak]

Enraged Plantera ✌️

[distant agate]

wait yea what the fuck

why was she enraged

im in the underground jungle

[deft lily]

you're probably too close to the surface

[severe coral]

Not enough jungle grass in the middle of a giant hole in the ground

[distant agate]

i broke one of her bulbs lmfao what

[deft lily]

or that yeah

[severe coral]

Counts as regular caverns

[distant agate]

damn

ig ill just find her natural arena

no wonder she was kicking my ass

[severe coral]

ts happened to me fighting Polter before I started fighting it in the archive lmao

He'd just triple in speed and deal like a bazillion damage

[deft lily]

erm, polterghast goes by "it" i think-

[severe coral]

Bruh

[deft lily]

i could be misremembering

[severe coral]

It don't matter?

[rancid pagoda]

Plantera isn't supposed to enrage outside jungle anymore as long as you're underground still

[deft lily]

[severe coral]

He she it's a blue plantera spoof

Technically was

Since that mf dead

[deft lily]

good for you then 👍

[dull heart]

i'd think polter goes by "them" considering

[fathom girder]

Polter definitely gets pissed off every week at wiki editors changing all the "is"es to "was"es

[dull heart]

it's like a billion souls all mashed together

[fathom girder]

begrudgingly changing it back every single week

[dull heart]

"them" plural not "them" neutral

[fathom girder]

probably why they're so pissed off

[deft lily]

yeah that is correct

[dull heart]

actually no

[severe coral]

I sentence you to recorrect your wiki page every week for 800 years

[dull heart]

polter goes by "y'all"

[fathom girder]

ugh

[lyric trellis]

Polter with the Venom logic

[fathom girder]

I understand polter now

[severe coral]

🔥_ _

[deft lily]

what lmao

[fathom girder]

as a midwesterner I fully approve

[deft lily]

better than being cishet i suppose

[distant agate]

does fireball buff frost burn damage?

[deft lily]

i think so

[severe coral]

Frostburn and Frostbite are cold

Fireball is heat

[fathom girder]

frostburn is weird

[distant agate]

ty lol

[severe coral]

Best is flask of Brimstone if you've downed Calamitas

You can also use uhh

[distant agate]

anyone got any magic weapon reconmendations for plantera?

[severe coral]

lemme look

Oh magic uhhhhh

[fathom girder]

I used burning sea for plantera

[severe coral]

That's a good one

[distant agate]

yea cant use flasks lol

[fathom girder]

really really silly

[severe coral]

Shadowflame doll

You could use Frostbite items since Fireball decreases the effectiveness of sickness-type debuffs contrary to what you'd think

[fathom girder]

I used burning sea for plantera and thennnn primordial ruin for golem

and thennnnnnnnnnn primordial ruin for pbg

and thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn I don't remember after that

[distant agate]

burning sea seems like a bad idea considering how close ill have to be

[fathom girder]

plantera allows you to be super close

circle strats

[severe coral]

Does it deal damage to you?

[fathom girder]

It does if you hold the sun out for too long

but that's easy to manage

like really really easy

[rotund venture]

why tf am I catching strays

[severe coral]

Oh ig they reworked it

[deft lily]

even with how bad base cal plantera is i still prefer it over infernum plantera

[distant agate]

sure but then she does a fart cloud that takes off a 3rd of my health

[deft lily]

[fathom girder]

predictable, she does that after a healthgate as an attack after her seed spam burst

you can use like, shadecrystal barrage too

to swap to when she starts getting too dangerous

[severe coral]

But yeah I'd suggest Shadowflame Hex Doll, Cursed Flames, Burning Sea (I guess idrk), Brimrose Staff

(I'm on a bit of a debuff streak rn)

[distant agate]

well i got no reason not to try it

[severe coral]

Debuffs are insanely fun

[rotund venture]

new amalgam my beloved

[distant agate]

brimrose staff doesnt even seem to apply a debuff for me

its odd i could swear it did

[deft lily]

in all seriousness im just joking

[severe coral]

Never used Amalgam, it's just acquired way too late

[rotund venture]

dw about it I know it's a joke

[deft lily]

👍

[rotund venture]

it is real strong

[severe coral]

I guess lemme look at the debuffs

750dps for GSI

DAMN

[rotund venture]

also a dodge also it makes your elemental debuffs insane

[severe coral]

Dragonfire and Amalgam is 1440dps

Honestly

[unique warren]

Woah they changed the FUCK out of the future content doc

[severe coral]

That's what I'm sayin

[rotund venture]

all the peak Triangle sprites are gone sadge

[deft lily]

tragic

[vivid hemlock]

[polar tide]

if its multiple nonbinary people you have to say them^2

[deft lily]

[distant agate]

i just cannot beat plantera

[unique warren]

Oh damn (I don't remember any of them lmfao)

[severe coral]

Tragic

Defense or offense build

[distant agate]

defence

rocking this rn but ive tried a few things

all warding

[fathom girder]

as maaaaaage?

[deft lily]

erm, axtually this isn't #calamity-mod-talk

[distant agate]

yeaaaaaaaaaa?

[fathom girder]

I'd go arcane reforges personally

[rotund venture]

polarazier is great sustain also #help-advice-read-pins

[fathom girder]

cuz that's more mana and less cost and more damig

[distant agate]

ive tried polarzier

[unique warren]

I’m so glad that way less armor sets are doing the “ooh look we have 5 helmets” bullshit

In the future I mean

[rotund venture]

armor reworks save me

[severe coral]

Swap mana flower thing with uhhhhhh

Idk I don't play mage

[distant agate]

lmfao

[severe coral]

OOH

[rotund venture]

chaos stone or polarizer or a defense item that's good

[severe coral]

Transformer

[rotund venture]

also, again, #help-advice-read-pins

[severe coral]

Transformer is OPASF for Plant

Nah it's fine cuz the items got updated in the update I think

[severe coral]

Like this one

I fucking love the Transformer rework

[unique warren]

Why would this change that that is clearly an advice post

[severe coral]

Too bad it takes away from electric debuff builds

[dull heart]

them^21483629

[rotund venture]

trying to prevent this chat from becoming a minmax nightmare

[severe coral]

m

[unique warren]

Anyways yeah I’m not sure exactly how this will work with like, Aerospec tho

Ranger and Mage have stuff and the other classes have uhhh

[severe coral]

Aero is ranged and summon iirc

If the SPOILERS DOC WASN'T PURGED

Wait no range mage

[rotund venture]

that is the plan but it could change

[unique warren]

It’s still on it

[severe coral]

Sanguine was an idea for aerialite-tier summon

[unique warren]

[severe coral]

Oh I just assumed it was gone

[rotund venture]

also arsenal tier 1 is on that tier

[severe coral]

There was some form of early abyss or something I don't remember

[unique warren]

Ahhh yeah it is

[severe coral]

They took it all away 😭

[unique warren]

And like, you can still use molten armor and all that at this stage very comfortably

[severe coral]

Ig the devs scrapped all the idears

[unique warren]

I guess

[polar tide]

no more calamity updates

[severe coral]

SSO never 🥀

[deft lily]

wouldn't be the first time

sadly

[severe coral]

I thought they was kinda good

I feel like it wouldn't be that bad an idea to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks

[unique warren]

I bet a lot of it is just being reconsidered

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-evil-stare-iasip-mad-angry-gif-10014582

[severe coral]

Yeah ig that'd suck for spriters

[fathom girder]

what do you think the last decade of calamity was vrz

[severe coral]

Especially in the armour department

[unique warren]

Yeah that is kind of the worst idea no offense

[polar tide]

throwing stuff at the wall is exactly how calamity got to this state in the first place

[deft lily]

^

[severe coral]

Idk I thought it was fun to see a huge shift every update

[polar tide]

we throw stuff at the wall when we ideate in dev

we do NOT implement random bullshit to figure out what we do like and what we don't

[unique warren]

Yeah it’s called brainstorming (holy shit)

[severe coral]

Well yeah you don't gotta implement every idea

[severe coral]

🔥 🖊️_ _

[polar tide]

then i don't understand what you're saying

[deft lily]

i dont either tbh

[severe coral]

It seems like the dev team is trying to like

Not hide?

[unique warren]

Make sure that the stuff is good before it’s put into the mod…?

[fathom girder]

Just know what's good and what isn't

smh

[severe coral]

idk

[deft lily]

actually release quality content thats on par with modern modded terraria standards?

[unique warren]

They also don’t want to just make promises about future content and not keep them

[deft lily]

the horrors

[severe coral]

There's not really a standard

[polar tide]

im saying this as neutrally and nonjudgmentally as i can but do you even understand what point you're trying to make

[deft lily]

also this

[severe coral]

And it's not that deep imo

[unique warren]

Which is why they need to stop fuckin teasing shit before it’s finalized

[severe coral]

Idk maybe I just don't care enough about my own mod but I think of something I'd consider fun and I just work on it

[rotund venture]

spirit reforged, mod of redemption, starlight river

[unique warren]

No hate but like… stop doing that please

[severe coral]

Those are still things?

[fathom girder]

Oh yes

[unique warren]

Fargo’s Souls Mod

[severe coral]

I ain't heard anything from any of those projects

[severe coral]

Oh if that's the standard you got nothin to worry about

[fathom girder]

I'd consider Wotg to be a standard too tbh

[deft lily]

tbf things like the now scrapped DoG resprite only got teased as early as it did because it got leaked
but outside of fringe cases like that, yes i agree

[polar tide]

the difference is that calamity is the biggest content mod on the scene and has a patreon and merch and devs that get paid

[unique warren]

If that’s the standard then Cal needs to get like, a lot better

[severe coral]

Did FSM get like

[rotund venture]

mods have gotten insanely good in a very short timespan

[severe coral]

Magically reversed in quality overnight or somethin'?

[polar tide]

if calamity devs took any idea we think would be fun and work on implementing it the mod would be an even bigger disaster than it already is rn

[arctic cliff]

ya'lls brains are not storming

[rotund venture]

it's kinda crazy

[unique warren]

I mean it’s always kinda been more high quality than Cal

[severe coral]

That sounds like a dangerous mindset

[deft lily]

lucille leaving cal dev and proceeding the make one of the best mods in modded terraria

[unique warren]

At least for a good while.

[polar tide]

what????

[deft lily]

🙏

[fathom girder]

literally

[severe coral]

Bro whaaat

[unique warren]

But 2.0 is going to be huge yeah

Probably more groundbreaking than Brainstorm

[severe coral]

I'd never do anything related to Terraria for a reason other than fun

It's a game, and the point is to have fun

[polar tide]

i think you are WILDLY misinterpreting what i'm saying

[severe coral]

That stool is a great example, it's fun

[fathom girder]

There's fun and then there's balance

[urban cloak]

i think carny is just trying to say that we have a better sense of quality control now

[unique warren]

Like, if next Calamity update doesn’t make the mod significantly better, 2.0 will make Fargo’s Souls probably twice as good as Calamity

[rotund venture]

that's a sticker now holy amazing

[polar tide]

calamity has 38 members on the team right now. if we let every single member get whatever they want implemented without discussion and feedback from other devs, just because they think its funny or cool or whatever, then like. im not sure i even need to say anything

[distant agate]

listening to what the average player wants for any game would mean making the game as easy as possible so they can see the credits and move on

[polar tide]

it would be a fucking disaster

[rotund venture]

38 memebers jfc

[distant agate]

for some reason thats what the average player of most games want

[severe coral]

Idk I might have a more limited sense of fun 🤔

[unique warren]

And I mean this without even an ounce of hyperbole, it will be at least twice as good as current cal

[polar tide]

there's a reason we have meetings where we decide as a team what the mod needs when we move forward with content updates

[unique warren]

So yeah, trying to make the mod… good, well thought out? Maybe a good idea

Just maybe

[rotund venture]

is that 38 active devs?

thats an insane number

[polar tide]

varying levels of activity

but for the most part yes

[pseudo vector]

pretty much

[severe coral]

Yeah it's not a job, everyone's got lives so at most it's like 20 people worth of dev

Which is fine

[pseudo vector]

we did purge the super inactive devs earlier in the year

[rotund venture]

I know that's why I'm so stunned

[fathom girder]

rip merkalto

[deft lily]

tragic

[fathom girder]

truly the one loss I think hit me the hardest

[unique warren]

I do think Calamity is getting better and certainly has the right mindset that other mods like Souls have but it has so much slop to filter out that I don’t think it will be able to keep up

[fathom girder]

despite it being completely like

fine

[urban cloak]

was in the 40s before a couple of inactive devs stepped down recently

its a big team

[severe coral]

You must be talking about a different mod than me

Fargo's Souls is like

[unique warren]

Even just for bosses only like a couple of them are even good right now

[pseudo vector]

we still have a long ways to go when it comes to bringing the mod up to modern standards in its entirety

[severe coral]

That one episode of Spongebob levels of slop

[polar tide]

i was going to say "the difference is that we have yharim" but. well. lol

[deft lily]

lmfao

[fathom girder]

fargos 2.0 is gonna be wild

they've got some heavy hitters workin' on it

like lucille

[severe coral]

Oh shit wait fr

[unique warren]

It is already a better mod but yeah 2.0 is fantastic so far

[deft lily]

goayted

[rotund venture]

I'm gonna be real, if cal came out in its current state today, it would not have its current popularity

[fathom girder]

yes

the 2.0 update is gonna be massive

[severe coral]

Idk I gave up on Fargo's like years ago but if Lucille's on it

[polar tide]

duh

[urban cloak]

outside of lucille the souls team is just really talented and 2.0 is looking really good

would recommend checking it out

[unique warren]

No way it won’t be the biggest mod update period?

Like for any mod

[deft lily]

the only thing cal has above other large terraria mods is the OST
quiet part said out loud ‼️

[fathom girder]

hehe

thanks dokuro and CDmusic

[pseudo vector]

well yeah no shit lmao
calamity in its current state (outside of a lot of the weapons) isn't up to modern standards

[distant agate]

ok i gotta check this out, last time i ever looked at fargos souls mod it kinda seemed like dumb challenge slop

[unique warren]

This is just straight up true lmfao

[distant agate]

like it wasnt even trying to be good

[unique warren]

How long ago was that?

[deft lily]

it is and you can't really argue otherwise

[fathom girder]

2.0 will be pretty swag

[distant agate]

calamity has scal who is like, the best boss fight ever

[unique warren]

She’s ok

[deft lily]

debatable

[unique warren]

Good, even

Solid B- to B+ boss

[pseudo vector]

the ost has been and always will be calamity's trump card

[distant agate]

SSS+ tier boss

[polar tide]

idk im a lorechud who also think calamity has some super engaging amazingly written characters thats like the biggest thing that attached me to the mod

[severe coral]

Plasma hot take

[rotund venture]

trueing

[unique warren]

Does NOT compare to Souls Mod lore

[vivid hemlock]

idk abt that one chief

[deft lily]

it sucks though cuz like, 90% of the player base doesn't give af about the lore

[unique warren]

(I am joking)

[fathom girder]

tbh I'd say DoG is up there now

Scal is alright

[pseudo vector]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-what-gif-3784745843284049350

[fathom girder]

imo

[polar tide]

i could never give a sixteenth of a shit about fargos characters the way i do about calamity characters sorry

[severe coral]

Hotter than plasma take

Like big bang heat

[fathom girder]

NAH

nah

[distant agate]

no DoG is great now

[severe coral]

Guys

[fathom girder]

have you fought Doze's DoG

[distant agate]

banger boss

[unique warren]

I doubt scal is better than either of the Brainstorm reworked bosses ya

[pseudo vector]

scal gets mogged by dog nowadays gonna be real lmao

[severe coral]

What if we had infernum

[urban cloak]

kind of a given imo considering its poorly implemented rn

[distant agate]

scal is just my fav boss in any game ever

[fathom girder]

vrz have you fought new DoG

[polar tide]

have you not played brainstorm

[severe coral]

But you get hit no matter what

[urban cloak]

hopefully we can fix that for the future

[fathom girder]

VRZ

[severe coral]

I have

[fathom girder]

HEY

ok

he's fun af on death or malice

[unique warren]

I really need to fight new DoG but no way in HELL it ain’t better than Scal

[fathom girder]

kinda impossible on malice for me but

[severe coral]

I did death

[deft lily]

even if it was implemented in the best way possible most people would still not care for it imo

[polar tide]

if you're getting hit no matter what playing (non malice) brainstorm dog then you might just be bad at the game im so fucking sorry

[steep path]

From my very limited knowledge of souls mod lore it sounds kinda awesome
"Yeah there's just these 3 really strong people and they kick a lot of ass"

[severe coral]

And I didn't like it one bit

[rotund venture]

new dog is a fantanstic fight truly great job

[fathom girder]

tch

[rotund venture]

def the best fight in the mod rn

[fathom girder]

you're a strange one, vrz

[unique warren]

I was joking but it’s just funny and silly

[deft lily]

most people only play cal for two things:

• to boost their already fragile egos
• again, the OST

[fathom girder]

just like dark souls...

fabsol approved message...

[unique warren]

But Fargo’s Souls is “yo what if we made vanilla good” + other random assorted stuff that is fun so this fits

[distant agate]

I legit like most of the bosses lol

[severe coral]

46 attempts, 5 hits, and then first-try Yharon with 17 hits

[deft lily]

i know this because i am guilty of it too

[urban cloak]

maybe, but the amount would be much larger than it is right now and id honestly like to see a world like that come to reality sometime

[deft lily]

agreed

[fathom girder]

yharon sucks rn

[severe coral]

Lucille detected

[fathom girder]

stop getting bitten by the big god eater snake

[unique warren]

The one thing I’m worried about with Calamity is that it won’t be able to fix the core issues that Vanilla has like extremely boring enemies

Or awful events

[pseudo vector]

byeah, that'll take a while but its smth i would like to see as well

[severe coral]

Maybe if it didn't do random bs

[fathom girder]

it's rather

consistent

[polar tide]

i get what you're trying to say but reading "even if cal implemented the lore in the best way possible people wouldnt care about it" kind of sucks man

[fathom girder]

are you sure you fought brainstorm dog

or did Infernum fuck the ai up

[severe coral]

Yes it is damn near a perfect copy of infernum

[deft lily]

ah
yeah sorry

[dull heart]

not really no

[polar tide]

is fine

[unique warren]

Bro’s just typing random words atp

[blazing field]

If the lore was better implemented there is a much better chance of people looking at it and wanting to learn more

[polar tide]

has to be bait

[dull heart]

thinking it's a copy of infernum shows you don't understand one or the other of them well

[deft lily]

0/10 bait

[flat folio]

Point one seems extremely warped imho
The vast majority of people do not care about the insane challenge or the like in a capacity that involves flexing or proving one's superiority. That's a reflection of a sliver of the 0.5% of the people that play the mod and engage with the community in discord servers like this
Most just enjoy it passively on like rev

[severe coral]

It goes passive for the lasers, has a bunch of bullshit charges at low health I can't deal damage on so it lasts twice as long as it needs

[pseudo vector]

agreed

[unique warren]

And cal already doesn’t have the best skill expression IMO

[blazing field]

Of course a part of the community still won't be invested cuz they're here for the gameplay only (And that goes for alot of games), but i do think better lore implementaton can get more people invested

[severe coral]

The only reason I could beat it in 46 attempts and not 460 was because I've done infernum so much

[fathom girder]

I think infernum messed with how you approached the DoG fight

[unique warren]

Best you can do without becoming pure slop is Death, or Malice but only for DoG

[blazing field]

If it's more well implemented, eople that come for gameplay can end up interested in the ore aswell

[fathom girder]

because they have notable differences that don't carry over well at all

[polar tide]

YOU BEAT BRAINSTORM DOG IN 46 ATTEMPTS AND YOU'RE STILL COMPLAINING ABOUT IT BEING TOO DIFFICULT?

[grave geyser]

I cant lie every time I go into lore disc I think I come out disliking the lore more

[severe coral]

It wasn't difficult

[dull heart]

It doesn't "take twice as long as it needs", the stats were balanced specifically with the rework in mind to get the proper kill times on weapons

[severe coral]

It was a chance and I rolled enough times to win

[distant agate]

yea ive been really enjoying death as it stops 90% of the bosses being "fly around in a big circle"

[hard hearth]

i played it because it was a content mod with a lot of postml content

[rotund venture]

I assure you it is not chance

[pseudo vector]

i like a challenge but i don't hate myself to the point where i'll make what i'm playing so mind-numbingly hard where i want to put myself in the femur breaker

[deft lily]

good for you

[fathom girder]

I beat it in 3 but. that was rev difficulty lol

[severe coral]

Idk I got hit some times to the same attacks I dodged quite a bit

[dull heart]

also yeah there's literally only one thing at all chance related in the dog fight

[hard hearth]

ost wasn't a huge thing for me because i usually play terraria with music silenced anyway

[dull heart]

And that is the laser walls

[hard hearth]

soooooo

wrong

😁

[dull heart]

The laser wall position and type is changce

[severe coral]

The laser walls were the most consistent part 😭

[urban cloak]

by the time i played cal for the first time you literally couldn't avoid it

it was fun tho!

[unique warren]

Overall almost all cal bosses are kind of awful rn I won’t lie so I don’t think challenge is a worthwhile draw to the mod rn

[dull heart]

they're literally the only random part

[polar tide]

you're a femur breaker

[pseudo vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/674691299227467785/1304931922652303381/obraz_2024-11-09_231317824.gif

[lapis oak]

?

[dull heart]

Everything else is entirely consistent

[deft lily]

probably just me then

[grave geyser]

is portal location at a standstill actually not random

[severe coral]

But the way they deal damage is more consistent

[polar tide]

don't dripped out pig gif me mister

[hard hearth]

definitely just you

[dull heart]

Nope, it's in front of you

[severe coral]

who tf

[lapis oak]

yes

I can confirm it

[severe coral]

Johnatan Porkington

[unique warren]

Brain is good I think? Dog is good… scal is ok… yeah that’s it. Rest of em are not good, sorry 😭

[deft lily]

horrible hog

[polar tide]

i like provydense :)

[dull heart]

no provi list is bait

[rancid pagoda]

portal is not random and you have ample time to think about how you want to dodge it

[grave geyser]

true?

[unique warren]

Providence is dogshit actually

[deft lily]

yeah 😔

[fringe cloud]

Playing through the Brainstorm update made me finally realize just how ass many of the bosses in cal currently are.

[unique warren]

I just did her again recently and yeah she’s just not fun unfortunately?

[pseudo vector]

my only issue with provi is the globs

[unique warren]

Rungod gameplay is not good

[tidal lodge]

the globs are the orange lil guys right

[pseudo vector]

if provi didn't have the globs it'd be a great fight

[polar tide]

sheds a single tear well i respect your opinion . turns away and tries to hide my sobs

[tidal lodge]

if so yeah they suck!

[distant agate]

based

[dull heart]

You don't have to rungod her (I don't)

[lapis oak]

you fought Providence with a laggy ass Mac for testing and said it's dogshit

[unique warren]

The bullet hell-ish attacks are fantastic but everything in between is… awful

[lapis oak]

like ok

[dull heart]

but yes she needs to force you to rungod less

[unique warren]

Excluding lag

[dull heart]

So does 90% of cal bosses

[fringe cloud]

I was able to enjoy most of them decently well before or at least tolerate them

[unique warren]

Even when it was running smoothly it was a slopfest

[dull heart]

Ash Globs need to be replaced with an anti rungod attack

[pseudo vector]

the unfortunate reality of fabsolian boss design being one of the mod's biggest limiting factors potential wise for the longest time

[severe coral]

What

[polar tide]

kill globs kill globs kill globs

[grave geyser]

look all I'm saying is "only loses to rungod most of the time instead of 100% of the time" is Signifigantly better than most cal bosses

[severe coral]

What is rungod

[pulsar cobalt]

provi already has anti run god its called the fucking border

[grave geyser]

holding a or d

[polar tide]

when u run

[deft lily]

actually counterpoint: the cal subreddit... 😨

[dull heart]

just running away

[severe coral]

What are these words I'm seeing on my computer screen

[unique warren]

Doesn’t mean it’s good

[severe coral]

Wait

[grave geyser]

yeah thats why you just fight the good version instead (enraged)

[severe coral]

Y'all don't shimmy around in a circle while fightin Prov?

[hard hearth]

the cal subreddit is -not- indicative of the calam community

[unique warren]

My point is that the in-between attacks for Providence are absolute slop pretty much :/

Just hurling like a dozen random homing fireballs lmfao

[dull heart]

They're not

[pseudo vector]

i stopped caring about the subreddit completely personally lmao

[deft lily]

then is it really the cal subreddit atp

[dull heart]

the issue is just that they don't do anything to stop you from running

[pseudo vector]

i have no reason to interact with it in any way

[unique warren]

I mean look it is just a bunch of homing fireballs

[hard hearth]

it's a subreddit about cal

[hard hearth]

so ig

[dull heart]

If provi just had yharon bordernados...

[pulsar cobalt]

its a reddit on cal but like

[unique warren]

Like is that not what it is here

[distant agate]

I left thee cal sub when they insisted that having to install a 2nd mod if they want the QoL changes back means that Calamity no longer works at all and sucks now

[rancid pagoda]

the globs are not anti rungod they are anti refresh your flight, you can literally just run away (except the border comes at you which is the actual thing stopping rungodding)

[dull heart]

which home in different ways and in different patterns

[pulsar cobalt]

most people in the cal community dont go near the cal reddit

[unique warren]

Genuine question cause idk how else to describe it

[distant agate]

deeply unserious people

[lapis oak]

I just saw someone said Cal Discord is more limited than Cal Subreddit and I was like

[grave geyser]

lets see
fireblasts are great
globs suck but have the smallest scraps of potential
bombs are underutilized

[unique warren]

There really is very little pattern there

[polar tide]

im eating food rn

[severe coral]

🙏_ _

[hard hearth]

wym limited

[unique warren]

At least not a well implemented or thought out one

[dull heart]

There is very little pattern you have learned*

[deft lily]

i looked on the subreddit for like 20 minutes and i opted out of that shit and never looked back

[dull heart]

there is very much a pattern and it works very well

[unique warren]

[deft lily]

most chronically online mfs ever

[fringe cloud]

Yeah, I don't think that bosses need to be particularly flashy and spectacular to be an enjoyable experience, but cal bosses are just so lousy sometimes.

[severe coral]

Should I take a look

I'm interested

[unique warren]

Sure

[deft lily]

unfortunately so

[unique warren]

Is it a fun pattern? Is it engaging?

[dull heart]

yes.

[unique warren]

Is it clear or reasonable to learn?

[dull heart]

yes

[severe coral]

Some one gimme a diving suit I'm goin into reddit

[rose laurel]

The problem is that the pattern never cares about teaching itself to you and the best option is still rungodding anyways

[unique warren]

I do not trust you with bosses

[grave geyser]

provi is the most learnable boss in the game I cant lie

[dull heart]

It just requires actually forcing the player to learn it

[dull heart]

Exactly

[polar tide]

everyone in caldev is holding hands and giggling and skipping into the sunset thinking about boss reworks

[summer shore]

It's a subreddit about old cal and any attempts to renew it gets met with the piranhas ™

[dull heart]

rungodding is the more obvious option so people just do that

[severe coral]

Oh this ain't so bad :)

[unique warren]

This can be said for like… emode bosses but this is not the case for Providence unfortunately, aside from her admittedly good bullet hell attacks

[tidal lodge]

no dread at all???

[urban cloak]

I will rework Moon Lord.

[severe coral]

Idk why I spoilered that

[pulsar cobalt]

😨

[gloomy grove]

whyd you spoiler this

[severe coral]

IDK BRO

[polar tide]

starts crying tears of joy

[distant agate]

god fucking please do

[grave geyser]

maybe we can finally have a good modded moon lord

[dull heart]

I disagree entirely tbh

[severe coral]

Brain told me to

[lapis oak]

hi Big Flea

[fringe cloud]

I will never not feel bad for rungodding moon lord

[distant agate]

is moonlord the worst base game boss?

[lapis oak]

👋

[distant agate]

im going with yes

[dull heart]

yes

[grave geyser]

ml is the old dog problem

[deft lily]

make. him. grab. you.
"but it'd be very difficult to do-"
DO IT

[pseudo vector]

i raise to you: golem

[unique warren]

Entirely in what way

[polar tide]

why would there be dread. the horse has been slain... we're finally free

[lyric trellis]

Herculean Task

[grave geyser]

he's not the worst in a vacuum but him being literally the final boss makes him worse

[distant agate]

he is the main competition lol

[unique warren]

As in like, everything in the sentence or just my opinion on Providence

[gloomy grove]

[deft lily]

moon lord grabbing the player and chucking them into the abyss or some shit

[distant agate]

but idk golem sucks but i have to like, fight him, moonlord you just run to 1 side and jump every now and then and he literally cant stop you

[rose laurel]

Nah man I don't see what ya see

[lyric trellis]

Vanilla is awesome having like 5 perfectly reasonable picks for worst boss in the game

[tidal lodge]

sounds wonderful

[summer shore]

Black holes in ml fight

[severe coral]

Idk how do I find the toxic reddit things everyone is talkign about

It seems like just

[fringe cloud]

Golem is a nothing boss. Moon lord I always dread fighting

[severe coral]

Art and memes about the update

[dull heart]

I'm not quite sure what would work to anti rungod well for providence though

[pulsar cobalt]

what if we made provis border smaller and made her stationary

[urban cloak]

might not be possible due to having to account for texture packs for vanilla bosses

but hey we'll see when we get there

[dull heart]

making her stationary would suck I think

[unique warren]

A full rework would probably help

[distant agate]

go back to when 2.1 dropped and you'll only see posts about how the devs hate the player base and how dare they have to install a 2nd mod to get their qol back

[rose laurel]

Like I should remind you we had no damn clue that Providence's lingering fireballs from the big ones circled around the detonation point

[grave geyser]

provi is very low on bosses that need a full rework

[lyric trellis]

Infernum CV provi (please no)

[polar tide]

if you run too far away she grabs you making you emit a loud squeaky plush noise while your eyes pop out

[rose laurel]

Nah this just ain't necessary

[fringe cloud]

I actually kinda like the current Providence fight.

[deft lily]

yeah...

[rose laurel]

Half the fight is good the other half isn't

[unique warren]

It unfortunately is

[dull heart]

they don't circle around it, they just have a bad turning radius so you want to get behind them

[rose laurel]

That's my stance

[summer shore]

Doesn't he already have a closed hand frame

[dull heart]

and the one place behind all of them is where they come from

[unique warren]

Okay I could agree with this, explain further

[fierce hearth]

Prov is a fun fight when not rungodding in my experience, because I never rungod her and I find her fun. She has some bs like the floor slop

[fringe cloud]

How do you even rungod it?

[urban cloak]

oh yeah he does!

easy work then

[pulsar cobalt]

you just go in a line

[distant agate]

moon lord warping you into a void with limited space, kinda like cal and scal could be neat

[summer shore]

Yeah

[pulsar cobalt]

she can catch up with you pretty easily

[dull heart]

Yes, ash globs is such a bad bad bad thing

[deft lily]

win!

[summer shore]

Moon lord baseball

[dull heart]

It encourages rungodding her

[severe coral]

Infernum mentioned

[pulsar cobalt]

and the border never goes close enough to you to hurt you

[distant agate]

ah ive never played infernum lol

[fierce hearth]

Having traps only works if you can't indefinitely run from them

[rose laurel]

Cocoon attacks and the scissor beam

[unique warren]

Genuine question, how hard could it be to just entirely remove them

[severe coral]

Yeah he does that lol

[unique warren]

Are good or bad…?

[dull heart]

Very doable and will probably happen

[rose laurel]

They good

[tidal lodge]

do it

[severe coral]

You just delete a file

[fringe cloud]

Ah, that literally what I do. Ive been rungodding without even realizing

[severe coral]

And change some text in related files

[unique warren]

Wholeheartedly agree, the rest of the boss sucks

[rose laurel]

What I want to rework is Providence's base moveset

And the crystal rain because that attack is wacko

[severe coral]

Little harder

[summer shore]

Base it on her rp moves

[misty wren]

i like the crystal rain i think its fun

[dull heart]

crystal rain is so good on night provi and so mid on hell provi

[grave geyser]

my main concern would not be their removal but with what would come in their place
bc you cant just rip them out and leave nothing there bc that will just mean she spends like 20% more time having dr

[dull heart]

yeah this

[unique warren]

Yeah her in between attacks are the most offensive

[severe coral]

I had an idea for Prov that involved (you guessed it way too much work honestly) where her attacks revolve more around her lore of being the Goddess of Ash and it better utilizes her guardians

[fringe cloud]

Still dont particularly dislike the fight

[summer shore]

Give provi last judge firewhirl attack

[dull heart]

I think removing ash globs and giving her an anti rungod attack after bullet hells end would be good

[severe coral]

Wait a second

[distant agate]

what if prov had an attack where she sets down a sort of "turret" that shoots a big flame pillar?

[severe coral]

Prov allegedly used a hammer as a weapon as a mortal

[distant agate]

and she sets them down a good distance to the sides

to stop you just running in a straight line forever

[dull heart]

Just not sure what to do for anti rungod... Maybe just a fireball field placed away from where provi is..?

[unique warren]

By like a lot too. They’re not engaging, they’re not fun, they just kinda fly in from offscreen cause fuck you lmfao

[grave geyser]

feasably I think it could be before bullet hells (which conveniently is where globs are currently for the most part)

[severe coral]

Just have her bop the player if they don't change direction

[distant agate]

but the pillars arent up forever they turn on and off

[fringe cloud]

Changes to the fight are welcome, but not something that urgently needs to be done.

[summer shore]

How are you gonna give a handless mf a hammer

[dull heart]

hmm that could work too

[severe coral]

Giving her hands duh

[unique warren]

It’s kinda smth that necessitates an entire rework of everything but the cocoon/laser

[grave geyser]

people generally do not swap sides while provi is in coccoon, especially not stars

[dull heart]

Have her stop in place, anti rungod attack, bullet hell

that'd be good

[rose laurel]

My problem with that attack is that it works independently from everything else and I'm not a fan of that, makes designing things really annoying

[dull heart]

Maybe I'll go program that now

[unique warren]

You can’t make Providence good and keep her how she is now

[severe coral]

Actually makes sense

If Prov just didn't follow the player

[dull heart]

I even have an idea for her anti rungod attack

[summer shore]

Make her succ ash in a big vortex

[dull heart]

Time to go dig into fabcode

[severe coral]

Then it's much more contained like Ravager

[unique warren]

Which makes it rather unfortunate that she is seemingly bottom of the list for reworks. But also, nearly every other boss is SOMEHOW worse

[dry whale]

irradiated wasteland

[grave geyser]

so establishing a threat if they just continue running after it ends creates people thinking proactively while also attempting to fix the problem

[severe coral]

More of a field of barbed wire

That you have to untangle with no gloves

[unique warren]

I find it funny that there are genuinely bosses in the mod somehow worse than Providence’s in-between attacks but yeah that’s just kinda how this mod is ain’t it

[severe coral]

I've looked into odler boss code before

Looks like Undertale

[fierce hearth]

Provi needs a rework but doesn't need an overhaul to be good. Changing attack functions is far easier than rebuilding how the fight behaves fundamentally and the latter is not necessary for Provi

[unique warren]

Possibly true

[distant agate]

you know the beam prov does? the one that makes you stay close and then fly into the centre of where its closing in on?

wouldnt just

doing that more fix run god

[unique warren]

Would depend on how they rework it but having well defined patterns and not waves of fireballs coming from off screen would be nice

[dull heart]

Actually I think Holy Inferno in bullet hells could just leave behind a minefield of lingering fire / stars

and done

[grave geyser]

true....

[distant agate]

bc she only does that like once for me

per fight

[fierce hearth]

Anti-rungod attacks and tweaking some homing fireball attacks and for the love of god removing floor ash are pretty reasonably easy compared to what needs to be done for say... Polterghast or Slime God

[dull heart]

and then ash globs no longer tile collide so they explode and then don't linger or something

minor rework to globs to fill the space

[unique warren]

The fireballs need to be entirely reconsidered on a design level and it’s unfortunate that it seems that may not happen

[summer shore]

https://youtu.be/PpmdytKqCfA?si=P1uMBEHtgS6Mfbfx

[dull heart]

She's literally one pattern of attacks, the only reason she's "waves of fireballs coming from off screen" is because you're rungodding

[urban cloak]

TRUE ACTUALLY

[unique warren]

Ehhhh?

[dull heart]

iirc her attack cycle is entirely fixed

[urban cloak]

god i love last judge

[unique warren]

I mean if rungodding means moving horizontally… at all.

[dull heart]

she never even leaves the screen if you're not running too much

[unique warren]

Then sure I am rungodding the fight

[grave geyser]

I litterally have a doc with all 3 of her patterns lol

[unique warren]

She doesn’t, but she doesn’t even do damage

[fierce hearth]

I don't have an issue with homing fireballs from off screen I tend to see where they're coming from

[rotund venture]

trueing

[dull heart]

I usually fight provi in about 2 screen widths of space

And hell height

[summer shore]

I use 3 just because of blobs

[fierce hearth]

I try to stick close to her so that I can see where her attacks go bc they all end up being more dangerous when they expire than when they are initially thrown out

[dull heart]

I don't use platforms so globs aren't a big deal

[grave geyser]

nights is so clean....

[rose laurel]

Look man I still would rather entirely uproot Providence's base moveset because it just kinda sucks idk

[unique warren]

I’d love for someone to send me what good Providence gameplay is

[fierce hearth]

I'm bad at the game so not me

[dull heart]

#spoilers gilded proboscis

[summer shore]

I don't either but they're still a pain in the ass

[rose laurel]

It's so hard to show the player what's supposed to happen and how the attacks behave

[summer shore]

Especially for resetting flight time

[rose laurel]

And also all of them are still just

Homing fire

😭

Really uninspired and boring

[summer shore]

Me when I want to get ready for bh and then there's a carpet of bullshit on the floor

[rose laurel]

We can do sooooo much better

[rotund venture]

all I would want from Provi is just one (1) attack that actually uses ash

[dull heart]

i disagree with them being borning mechanically

visually yes

i think visually they could do with not all being The Same Thing

it'd help people to notice the differences too

question:
does hell and hallow provi have the same amount of time in DR?

i just realzied

one is probably faster to kill

[grave geyser]

no

hell only has 1 crystal phase in a cycle, hallow has 2 ray phases

(on rev anyway its 2 each on death)

[rose laurel]

I literally cannot tell you how any of her basic attacks are different from the other man, sorry

[unique warren]

So nearly done with the boss and yeah there has been… 7 times that a group of fireballs come from off screen

[dull heart]

which i think is mostly an issue because visually they're so similar that they blend together

[summer shore]

Ash rain attack

[rose laurel]

And I shouldn't need a PHD in Providence to know how the hell she works

😭

[dull heart]

yes, but I saw them being shot there every time and was prepared for them

because i knew what they were

[unique warren]

Show me a nohit then

[dull heart]

i mean i nohit almost that entire time except the cocoons that i suck at

the first half? was nohit

[unique warren]

Not… really…

[rose laurel]

I think the fact that like 5 people know how Providence's fight work and all of them know the ins and outs shows that like shit's not that good man

[grave geyser]

tbf she only has like
4
and I would say 2 of them are very distinct (granted 1 of them is disticnt because its fucking globs but still)

[rose laurel]

I can count on my fingers the number of Devs who know how her attacks works

[unique warren]

Yeah like, readable patterns are a good thing to have

[dull heart]

my first hit taken was at 1:11 to star cocoon
my first non-bh hit was at 1:29

[unique warren]

That’s still very much clearly not a nohit

[hasty tangle]

you dont need an encyclopedic knowledge of provi to successfully fight her

or hell, even nohit her

[grave geyser]

^

[dull heart]

yeah, but it shows that it's very much nohittable

[unique warren]

I’m not saying it isn’t

[hasty tangle]

i couldnt tell you exactly how per pattern goes yet i can still nohit her without much issues

[rose laurel]

Yeah because you can just rungod half of it anyways

😭

[unique warren]

I’m arguing that it’s poorly designed

[dull heart]

i could go record a nohit now but i don't really care to do so

[fathom girder]

where's that video of provi getting nohit in the square arena

[dull heart]

i'm going to go look at making ash globs not suck instead

[unique warren]

And I’m surprised that it’s quite unclear to most people that Providence is pretty badly designed even excluding the globs

[hasty tangle]

an excessively large arena can trivialize most bosses

[dull heart]

WAIT WHAT THE HECK??

provi has like

actually legible code??

[fathom girder]

the second the ash globs aren't a 1:1 of perforator's ichor blobs is the second that the universe wins

[dull heart]

whattt

[grave geyser]

insane

[rose laurel]

And like I don't mean you need to literally go read the code to understand the fight, but I fought Providence dozens of times and I still have no idea how she works

[fathom girder]

was fab sandbagging this whole time