#calamity-update-talk

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prisma cipher
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4 PIXELS?!

dull heart
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it just won't be a new set of pixels

fierce hearth
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toon bomb sequel

rotund venture
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which is totally that the next update is the cathedistortiaerie

dusk bronze
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that's not a rework that's a new item

prisma cipher
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Ink bomb upgrade

polar tide
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you want a pixel from Me? aw shucks..

prisma cipher
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Neat

barren nacelle
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Is Lemon 'nade really just becoming real

dull heart
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turn carny INTO a pixel

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carny is the rework

rotund venture
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lemonnade is real yeah

polar tide
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yes

dusk bronze
prisma cipher
wide raven
barren nacelle
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Carny dev item and it's just his soul

rotund venture
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scrapped^?

wide raven
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This is the reworked Polterghast design

dusk bronze
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not scrapped

fathom girder
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isn't scrapped no

dull heart
rotund venture
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oh I thought it was

wide raven
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Oh did they scrap it

barren nacelle
barren nacelle
fierce hearth
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Carny has been officially added to Calamity as the singular highlight pixel on the gem hilt of the Devil's Devastation

dull heart
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it is pre boss

barren nacelle
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To have like an entire upgrade tree

tribal isle
tropic jolt
polar tide
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beucase ive suffered for so long

dull heart
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but that tree also got reworked to match

rotund venture
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into the supernova line right?

dull heart
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into specifically sealed singularity's line

dusk bronze
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give supernova the exact same vfx but color shifted to green

dull heart
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Color shifting the sfx brb

tropic jolt
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green dragon yharon

rotund venture
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supernova should def stay very similar to what it is now when the MM reworks happen in five years

fathom girder
dull heart
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supernova inheriting the lemon nade gimmick would be very cool

barren nacelle
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My awesome Meld Lemo'nade fanart, Rotten Lemon

lyric trellis
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Plaguenade

barren nacelle
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That is more plague isn't it

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I didn't have meld palette on standby

tropic jolt
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is that the fungus

barren nacelle
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Lemeldnade

dull heart
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plemonguenade

barren nacelle
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Limeonade

dull heart
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I did consider lime 'nade

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lime 'ade maybe

fathom girder
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You know how hard lemonade is a thing, doze

wide raven
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Honestly the Polterghast being a human looking ghost just makes sense

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Not a damn beetle

fathom girder
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there shoulda been a lemon 'nade upgrade that used 1 of each alcohol

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and it'd turn into Hard lemon 'nade

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and it just grants +5 defense

dull heart
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ICBL would be cute

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inter-citrus ballistic lime

barren nacelle
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God Slayer Lemon

grave geyser
dusk bronze
vivid hemlock
dull heart
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I got donor approval

grave geyser
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huge

dull heart
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Sealed's donor is cool

lapis oak
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doze list all cool donors

barren nacelle
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Intercontinental Balimestic Missile

dull heart
barren nacelle
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Yeah Doze.

lapis oak
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L

dull heart
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nobody donated $720 to me for eow plush

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Nobody is cool

fathom girder
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I need that for my rent bru

dusty tinsel
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What eow plushies I ate them all

tropic jolt
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we're all broke

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no money

tribal isle
prisma cipher
dull heart
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I'll take it

dull heart
stuck kite
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can the eow plush eat worlds

dull heart
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All 72 segments is about 48 feet long

tribal isle
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idk how long this is in meters

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14 meters is fucking insane

dusty tinsel
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Life sized dog plushie when

tribal isle
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you lied to me....

dusty tinsel
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Need my self a 1 mile long plushie

barren nacelle
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Doze do you have enough space in your home for that

dusk bronze
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🔥

dusty tinsel
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1 lightyear long

craggy wagon
deft lily
dusty tinsel
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What about an evoked star god plushie

deft lily
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dude...

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what the heck tofu....

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😔

craggy wagon
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can we have astrageldon pillow 🙏

wise bolt
deft lily
tribal isle
deft lily
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old astrageldon

wise bolt
deft lily
tribal isle
deft lily
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what could possibly go wrong

craggy wagon
tribal isle
dull heart
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YO?

tribal isle
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now thats affordable

dull heart
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True

tribal isle
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why do you need an extra dollar

wide raven
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Honestly im looking forward to how they are gonna remake eater of worlds

tribal isle
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wormstorm

wide raven
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I mean that would be funny but honestly idk really know what they can do because he just such a simple boss. Big work that moves and splits

fathom girder
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look at how they made BoC an actual fight

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there's plenty they could do

wide raven
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Yeah I just cant wait to see

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It

polar tide
granite sapphire
wide raven
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Also what subclass do you think deserves a rework next. Other than yoyos

fathom girder
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yoyos because they're not a SUBCLASS

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they are YOYO

polar tide
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fuck subclasses

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worthless

granite sapphire
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like either hive mind retier or eater causes the player to develop necrosis during the fight, forcing them to beat it in a certain time (albeit reasonable)

wide raven
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What is wrong with subclass. True mele is super fun

fathom girder
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Subclasses are tricky

wide raven
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Honestly that's pretty cool idea

fathom girder
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true melee as a "subclass" is really just a class on its own

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in fact

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it's treated as such in the backend in calamity

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true melee weapons have their own distinction, taking buffs from melee and specific true melee stat increases

wide raven
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Personally I wish they did more with magic guns

fathom girder
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and it's just really annoying to balance

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a "subclass" should exist purely in the class it's meant to be in

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not as an exception or somethin' like that

granite sapphire
wide raven
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Also I feel like it should do some sort of attack out of its mouth like spraying acid or that green fire

granite sapphire
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since it’s the “hive mind”

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Alongside this, new flasks and debuffs could be a thing for the retiers

wide raven
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Yeah fair and in lore the hive mind is basically just a bunch of gods corpses

fathom girder
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WRONG

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Hive mind is the remnant of ONE god corpse

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technically the evil biomes themselves are that

wide raven
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I thought the corruption and crismon was caused by muptile gods death my bad

fathom girder
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Also hive mind/perfs are gonna be redesigned entirely, I doubt they'll even keep their current names once they get moved to post ML

granite sapphire
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But I do think both retiers deserve a starlight river themed battle

fathom girder
azure oak
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beat DoG

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can positively say that was an incredible fight

craggy wagon
fathom girder
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That's correct

granite sapphire
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like considering how well done calamity has been, I do believe they could do something like the crumbling tower in deltarune with a starlight river type of battle with a pre built arena and all

azure oak
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ravager

fathom girder
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"Just do it like x mod" is cringe

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Just gonna throw that out there

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Quite the restrained mindset

granite sapphire
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Back onto the debuffs for flasks, ichor is blood of the gods so why not a buff to that for the retier and alongside corrupt flames, necrotic rot would be cool

lyric trellis
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Oh right brain rot and burning blood would probably get retiered if they’re kept

granite sapphire
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and depending on your evil you can use the ichor or flame alongside bloodfire ammunition to make special ammo for ranger

wide raven
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Yeah I remember Yharim took revenge of the gods and killed the 2 that caused the evil biomes. He realized that not properly getting rid of gods caused corruption. So he than teamed up with DoG

granite sapphire
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Like Goreforged Bullets and Arrows with whatever else

wide raven
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Also when in the hell are we gonna be able to fight Yharim

granite sapphire
craggy wagon
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come back in like, 5-6 years

granite sapphire
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Withering Bullets and Arrows or Blighted Bullets and Arrows for hive mind retier

vivid hemlock
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blood flare and burning blood...

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why is it called bloodflare is it because ravager has fire or smth

lyric trellis
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Yeah burning blood might have to turn into radiant piss if it’s too close to ravager at that point

granite sapphire
wide raven
granite sapphire
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Goreforged has a weaker marked for death debuff but also cannot be applied with it

Blighted could be a damage over time debuff

craggy wagon
wide raven
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Oh gotcha no problem

vivid hemlock
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now that i think about it reworked perfs doesnt have to be limited to 3 heads as a hydra...

lapis oak
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Electrified is available preboss right

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pre HM I mean

soft plover
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I think its all static discharge now

craggy wagon
granite sapphire
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Perf is just a gore nest so

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and hive mind is a cheap reskin of brain

wide raven
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Were also supposed to be getting a slime god rework

vivid hemlock
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if fabsol was still attached to this mod it definitely wouldve been only 3 heads... also the heads get split off and turn back into the unreworked worms...

wide raven
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With it I would like to see a queen slime rework

craggy wagon
wide raven
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Because queen slime is just slime god.

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Im patient I was just mentioning it

granite sapphire
craggy wagon
vivid hemlock
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the consequences of qs being added by vanilla

wide raven
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Honestly at this point just change the lore to make king slime also slime god just in his weakest from

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That why all the slime fights are connected

vivid hemlock
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no

wide raven
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Yeah I guess your right

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Maybe not the best idea

vivid hemlock
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qs wont be slime god when sg is reworked

craggy wagon
wide raven
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If I remember correctly king slime is just a bunch of slime that got together and turned into a ball

halcyon seal
vivid hemlock
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rogue paladin

halcyon seal
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Oh that’s fun

craggy wagon
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King Slime's just a big guy, no relation to the Slime God afaik

lapis oak
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King Slime is chud and fat

vivid hemlock
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yeah

lapis oak
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and amogus

vivid hemlock
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okay no

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kiri must die

wide raven
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Honestly I wish the Astrageldon into the official lore

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Because that fight it so good I sometimes forgot its a mod

craggy wagon
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Astrageldon probably won't ever be in the official lore, but it can be in your lore (just headcanon it as real like I do)

lapis oak
vivid hemlock
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just like you

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ai chud

lapis oak
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my vid is still getting more views that's crazy it's been 3 weeks

dusty tinsel
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Hello kiri

lapis oak
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👊

vivid hemlock
dusty tinsel
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Stop punching me I said hello normally 😭

lapis oak
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👊 💥

dusty tinsel
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I will reverse your insides with your outsides

lapis oak
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that's mean

halcyon seal
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This AI-generated boss I created is bringing in $300K in Patreon money a month.

Nearly reached 10 million views on the music.

Nobody notices it’s AI.

If you want to learn how to create an AI boss, DM me.

lapis oak
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why DraeGPT working for free

halcyon seal
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I eated all the water in a 50 kilometer radius

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💗

lapis oak
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not free 💔

vivid hemlock
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draegpt i need you to sink another continent by 2029

arctic cliff
dense sundial
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Maybe that sounds weird

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Never mind that, I seem to have misremembered bestiary entries or something

deft lily
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calamity

dusty tinsel
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Twice

deft lily
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dude... you cant just punch people
not cool man...

lapis oak
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Calamity's birthday

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is just 3 months away

split ginkgo
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The mod who sold the world

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The mod who never changed its name

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Oh fuck Calamity is turning 10 in like june lmao

molten grove
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what a calamity

split ginkgo
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I know

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Aero slime

slate folio
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sso in june 🔥

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Wrong emoji

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sso in june 🫧

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sorry i burnt the fish

lyric trellis
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June of 2028

gleaming hatch
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june 2028 maybe

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LMAO

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calamity devs said sso is on the backburner for the time being

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doing other stuff before dropping it cuz everyones burnt out

gleaming hatch
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me using spider staff in vanilla after using spider staff in calamity

terse dew
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when calamity mod turns 18 years it will be drafted to fight in the war

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so sad!

solar hare
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nah all the wars will be over by then

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❤️

dapper ridge
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when cryogen buff

solemn crest
deft lily
tribal isle
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Nerf

dull heart
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hello chat

deft lily
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no doze i will not give you 648 dollars so you can get an EoW plush

dull heart
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you should...

deft lily
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no :D

fathom girder
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doze can you give me 648 dollars so I can give you 648 dollars for the EoW plush

tropic jolt
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why is it now 648

deft lily
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discount code

dull heart
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chippy creator code

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saving a good $72

torpid quarry
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any word on stabber staff fix?

fathom girder
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next update p sure

torpid quarry
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oo nicee

dull heart
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yea

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hear me out

tribal isle
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No

dull heart
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a weapon that does max hp% dmg based on the target's intended killtime

tribal isle
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How are people supposed to know that

fathom girder
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Welcome back elephant gun

tired adder
dull heart
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april fools day murasama gets unlocked and does exactly the DPS that is needed on any boss to kill them exactly on kill time

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it'd be peak

tribal isle
fathom girder
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No no

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More like, wait 3 minutes and then oneshot every boss

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Hehe

dull heart
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no you'd still need to be hitting them

fathom girder
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Aww

tired adder
mystic eagle
dull heart
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that would be really bad real fast

mystic eagle
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Exactly

dull heart
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my murasama dealing like

fathom girder
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Unviable by wof

dull heart
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120 dmg on scal

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1 damage but doubles for every boss killed

fathom girder
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Mura already did that

dull heart
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but only if 100% of the dmg was dealt by murasama

dull heart
fathom girder
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I think murasama April fools should become a boomerang

mystic eagle
fathom girder
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Just throw the fucken thing

dull heart
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20k dmg but it gets halved for every boss killed

tired adder
fathom girder
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NO

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Like a BOOMERANG

hasty hawk
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huh did Doze actually get money? I guess thats less from the total $720

dull heart
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no

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I found out about chippy's discount cofe

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Code

hasty hawk
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good

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10% saved

tired adder
dull heart
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This does remind me though

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I should go work on murasama overhaul mod

dusk bronze
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phaseslayer rework when

dull heart
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But I wanna work on roots more

wide nova
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rework rework when ....

tired adder
iron dew
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can the april fools version of the murasama be that one murasama sprite where the blade and the handle are swapped and when you try to equip it your hand gets chopped off

tribal isle
tired adder
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shimmer muramasa after moonlord

deft lily
barren nacelle
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You should get me on ROOTS as an ideas guy trust

dull heart
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the only item roots adds is murasama 😭

fathom girder
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murasama is such a curse for cal devs

winged ocean
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Hey so im trying to fight the primodial wrym but the abyss is pitch black, do i solve this with items or?

dull heart
barren nacelle
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Leave the abyss honestly

dull heart
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It or is it entirely entirely black

winged ocean
dull heart
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Ok good

dusk bronze
winged ocean
dull heart
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Lemme grab the fuide

barren nacelle
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A few accessories increase that size

wide nova
barren nacelle
wide nova
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or i can cook it

winged ocean
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KK im just making sure, every video I see you can see him very clearly

deft lily
dull heart
barren nacelle
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All of those are prob pre brainstorm

dusk bronze
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required setup bad

dull heart
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I like that abyss lighting actually makes people interact with it now

barren nacelle
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I’m curious does Ultrabright helmet inherit its predecessors effects in the abyss

dull heart
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yes

barren nacelle
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Oh goodie

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You should probably mention that in the guide

winged ocean
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tyty i was confused

barren nacelle
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And maybe pin the guide it seems to be in demand

dull heart
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It was pinned but it was unpinned bc it's been long enough since release

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It just needs to be reposted in help advice and pinned there but lazy

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Realistically it should go on a wiki page but I'm lazy

barren nacelle
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Sigh

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I can do it tonight

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Doze is my grape beer thing on the wiki accurate you’re the grape beer guy

dull heart
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[[Grape Beer]]

mortal sinewBOT
dull heart
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i feel like listing all the weapons is not the right way to go about it

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just say "It effects all weapons that use bullets, arrows, darts, or rockets as ammunition, except <list exceptions>"

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this is also missing blissful bombadier main fire which is one of the provided exceptiosn

distant agate
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the blazing star rogue weapon is so cartoonishly overtuned

dull heart
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spam on it is

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way stronger than it should be

distant agate
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its obtainable after the first mech boss yet im still using it on golem

dull heart
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but like

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as far as rogue weapons go

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historically it's not that crazy

fathom girder
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elemental disk would like to say hello

lapis oak
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the small rockets

strange cargo
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Yet summoner is the one getting nerfed

dull heart
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summoner is

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also really overtuned

lapis oak
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the big one already has homing so we don't talk about that

dull heart
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also blazing star did already get nerfed once!

distant agate
rare tinsel
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false

distant agate
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summoner is super good but melee was on a new level of broken

grave geyser
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everything is overtuned rn except like mage

rare tinsel
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^

distant agate
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and ranger

rare tinsel
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bring back old star beam rye

distant agate
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ranger is complete dogshit

grave geyser
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no no

distant agate
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yes yes

grave geyser
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ranger has grape beer and dso

rare tinsel
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please revert star beam rye i’m begging

lapis oak
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Ranger is so broken lmao

rare tinsel
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it was so funny

distant agate
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idk have you played literally any other class bc idk how you could say ranger was broken if you have

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literally outside of star canon they were just worse at every single point of progression

rare tinsel
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Also you can’t summarize an entire class just due to a good combo or a handful of good weapons

lapis oak
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someone pull up 40 seconds DoG kill with Ranger

distant agate
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than every other class

fathom girder
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Critaquill does boss kill tests

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I think they know a tad bit more than you do

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just a tad

rare tinsel
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You have to average it out over the entire game and every weapon

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Yeah there are spikes here and there but the curve flattens out eventually

distant agate
dull heart
rare tinsel
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warding shouldn’t be getting 2 minutes

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it should be way faster

dull heart
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I'm interested to see if grape beer becomes more or less broken after the nerfs

rare tinsel
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cringe gear

distant agate
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melee is funny busted rn lol

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melee is like, by a mile easily the best class

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not even close

rare tinsel
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gross disgusting class 👎

dull heart
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ehh I don't think so

rare tinsel
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true melee is the only class that matters

distant agate
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then be wrong

lyric trellis
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🙂‍↕️

rare tinsel
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he’s literally a dev

dull heart
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melee has a couple outliers but so does everything

rare tinsel
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^

fathom girder
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Who is this matt guy lmao

lyric trellis
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Tbf

pine swan
distant agate
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dang cant make a joke lmfao

lyric trellis
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Look at the tierlist that’s a bit more than a few

barren nacelle
rare tinsel
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You can’t summarize an entire class as good or bad due to a few cherry picked examples

dull heart
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like deaths ascension is absurd but so is Vengeful Sun or Slick Cane or Blazing Star or Dreadmine

rare tinsel
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Please use every weapon first

tropic jolt
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nobody tell this person about summoner or rogue

barren nacelle
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But I will include blissful bombardier

dull heart
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my main issue is

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It's gonna be maintenance hell

distant agate
barren nacelle
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I’m maintenance

rare tinsel
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Every class has at least like, two or three dummy apeshit broken holy fuckkerinos

dull heart
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Any time any ranged weapon ammo is changed or reworked Grape Beer now has to be updated

rare tinsel
dull heart
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Also it makes it hard to note what the actual exceptions are

rare tinsel
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Use every weapon against every boss it reasonably works against using standardized gear

dull heart
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For things that do match the criteria but still don't home

distant agate
rare tinsel
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It’s not

barren nacelle
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Hmmmm fair. Maybe a little note that says “Any weapons categorized as other are unaffected by Grape Beer”

distant agate
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more than good enough

dull heart
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Scorched Earth main rockets also don't get grape beer but they already home

distant agate
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ok lol

pine swan
rare tinsel
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It’s possible you can completely overlook every good or bad weapon as you go through

fathom girder
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Boss rush is "fuck around with the dev weapons"

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not really a um. good balance reference

rare tinsel
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Then your overall experience will be soured by absence of a large sample size

lyric trellis
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Everything is broken the end

rare tinsel
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^

distant agate
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i 100% did not, i came into this chat and asked for reconmendations constantly, used the class setup wiki and setup videos to get ideas on what people consider optimal at each stage in progression

rare tinsel
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tbh the only good class is classless because nobody else gets 15,000 HP/s regen

distant agate
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something i never felt the need to do on summoner or melee bc they just stomped

barren nacelle
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Or more so, “Any weapons that use non conventional ammunition such as Flamethrowers or Dart Guns, or weapons that do not use ammunition at all, are not affected.”

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Wait

south bronze
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is multiplayer doable in brainstorm?

barren nacelle
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Is the black hawk remote line affected by grape beer

rare tinsel
distant agate
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and yet ranger constantly felt like shit compared to other classes

rare tinsel
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Plus there’s nothing stopping people who don’t know what they’re talking about (or who do and are just spreading misinformation) from fooling someone

distant agate
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if like 4 different sources are all saying the same gear is the best for this stage then i feel like its probably true lol

rare tinsel
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You have to use every weapon for every class so that you can tell if it’s the class that’s bad or if the weapons are just good

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Like, Gilded Proboscis right now gets like, sub-30 second killtimes it’s insane right now

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But it also, like… isn’t Melee

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It’s one weapon in an ocean

rancid pagoda
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usually each boss should be fought with slightly different gear or weapon

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but setup guides never really show that

rare tinsel
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You can’t summarize the entire class of Melee as SS when you only get the viewpoint of one wwapon

distant agate
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well thats good then bc i used more than 1 weapon

pine swan
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i love using the same weapon from post wall till golem

lyric trellis
halcyon seal
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Well no the best class was rogue

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Because hide of astrum deus

fathom girder
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The best class is wacro pack shadowflame lance

distant agate
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im summarizing the entire class of melee as SS tier bc at every point they have access to extremely strong gear, had by a mile the easiest time, took barely any damage, killed things faster than other classes, didnt lack range, single target damage or boss kill

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not bc i found 1 good weapon at some point and did good against 1 boss

fathom girder
#

It's the weapons that are usually graded that way

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For a good reason

distant agate
#

meanwhile ranger was the opposite, despite trying to use the best of the best stuff the bosses took forever, i was taking way more damage, had no group clear, there was no upside over any other classes

lyric trellis
halcyon seal
#

I think the simplest answer is that class rankings inherently can’t be quantified in any reasonable way

rare tinsel
#

^

halcyon seal
#

And if they can, it’d take far too long to test

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You can know if individual setups are good on individual bosses

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But that’s about it

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Most class rankings are vibes based more than anything

distant agate
#

i do not agree, I dont see why "how well do the classes perform with generally the best gear at each stage in progression" isnt a very reasonable metric

halcyon seal
#

Like if I say “ranger is the worst class in the game”

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What does that mean

lyric trellis
halcyon seal
#

What am I saying with that sentence

distant agate
#

"oh but if you use this 1 random weapon it sucks" ok good thing they have 15 other weapons that work very well so who cares

rare tinsel
#

personally i think the only fair thing to say right now is that they’re all too varied and have strengths and weaknesses throughout, although summoner has an unfair edge due to the byproduct of the way weapons are balanced and the existence of whips and sentries

distant agate
#

they kill slower, die easier

winged ocean
#

OKAY so im doing boss rush and ceaseless void straight up doesnt spawn ?

#

his health bar pops up every now and then but nun is happening

halcyon seal
#

I don’t doubt your experience

winged ocean
#

revenengce

halcyon seal
#

But how do we know you had reached the ceiling

dusk bronze
halcyon seal
#

Where is the power ceiling for ranger

winged ocean
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it teleports u down there to fight ceaseless void

halcyon seal
#

That’s not a question you can really answer lol

dusk bronze
distant agate
halcyon seal
#

Even on individual bosses

rare tinsel
#

The ceiling peak of every class is going to be so outrageously unreasonably high that it’s just not fair to consider it

dusk bronze
#

it only teleports you to hell for wof

distant agate
#

like the community has a very large fanbase that tests this shit

winged ocean
#

yeah, it did that as well

distant agate
#

also if the arguement is "you cant know for sure that you hit the strongest ranger for x boss" then sure but that goes for every class and they didnt struggle as much

rare tinsel
distant agate
#

and it wasnt like "well ranger was worse for this boss but was ok for this one" it was every single boss consistently

fathom girder
#

Matt

rare tinsel
#

I hate ranger because of how it’s designed, not because of its dtrengrh

distant agate
#

stomp

fathom girder
#

Leave it to the actual testers lmao

lapis oak
#

bro was probably building glup shitto for his kits and decided the class is ass

rare tinsel
#

dumb and stupid class

distant agate
#

im glad you've all decided i must be a dipshit and thats the only reason i found ranger to be just factually worse performing than every other class but ill just disagree

hard hearth
#

you dare talk trash about ranger?

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prepare to be banned

ashen pivot
#

ranger is good

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i like ranger

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suuper consistent and it has good defense

distant agate
#

im not denying that ranger probably has a setup that can 1 shot whatever boss but i also think its reasonable to say that the average player isnt using that and thats not the metric we should be measuring class power by

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standard setups using generally best at the time gear

rare tinsel
lapis oak
rare tinsel
#

if every fight is dumb stupid isiot fucking FAST then there’s no point in arguing

rare tinsel
#

average killtimes will be frames off

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actually what if we do a statistical analysis on every weapon on the tier list? 🤔

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find mean, median, mode, range, and graph it all

distant agate
# lapis oak can you backup this worse performing thing other than you felt like it just feel...

yea, my playthrough, despite being my 4th one, so ive had much more practice, i was dying more than any other class, getting much slower boss kills and much much lower dps (i know dps isnt the best metric bc it doesnt use dots but the boss kill times were still slower so it works) and had much more progression blocks where i just stopped getting upgrades bc the next tier was worse than what i had

rare tinsel
#

actually no thats dumb

lyric trellis
#

Rain Armor > every class so the debate is meaningless I fear

distant agate
#

rouge is doing that last thing too

mystic eagle
halcyon seal
#

To find the optimal minion mix

lyric trellis
rare tinsel
#

DPS is not a metric you should trust like, at all

halcyon seal
#

But that would be so much work

rare tinsel
#

Especially for high variance minions like Necrosteocytes

fathom girder
distant agate
#

right but boss kill time is

deft lily
#

ranger fucking sucks

distant agate
rare tinsel
#

Boss killtime is the best metric we have

wide raven
#

Ranger is fun what you mean

rare tinsel
#

Nope

halcyon seal
rare tinsel
#

Bad class

deft lily
#

this is the objectively correct opinion

distant agate
#

ranger was shitty mage

wide raven
#

You can be the American the Japanese think you are playing ranger

rare tinsel
#

Your preferences are WRONG

fathom girder
#

Thanks draegpt

deft lily
#

im so angry i could doxx you

#

/j

rare tinsel
distant agate
rare tinsel
deft lily
mystic eagle
halcyon seal
rough ruin
#

🍿

wide raven
#

I mean ranger has the clamor rifle tho. That thing shreds everything all the way to wall of flesh

mystic eagle
lapis oak
wide raven
#

Oh it is

lapis oak
#

I know what you are

distant agate
#

star canon shreds prehm well enough lol

wide raven
#

Damn

distant agate
#

only time ranger did consistently well

wide raven
#

Still an awesome weapon

polar tide
#

im sio fucking skeoy

rancid pagoda
#

star cannon is balanced for using hard to get ammo

halcyon seal
mystic eagle
#

I can't say the same for any other class tough

distant agate
#

i would like to know what melee weapon you were using that was C tier

mystic eagle
#

*Just ignore the Maelstrom being a high D Tier weapon

distant agate
#

or do you mean it like, exists but you would never use it

rancid pagoda
#

and y'all using infinite ammo mods are breaking that star cannon balance

mystic eagle
distant agate
distant agate
#

i tried not to use the star canon tho

rancid pagoda
#

same goes for the coin shooters

wide raven
#

Okay its not other class fault they can't be as good as mele

mystic eagle
rancid pagoda
#

but those were not that great the last time I tried 'em

mystic eagle
#

Oh and we've yet to redo the summoner tests

rancid pagoda
#

gimmicky weapons are often mediocre, it's sad

mystic eagle
#

Ranger is consistently good though and always has a reliable option for each boss

distant agate
#

what ranger weapon were you using for the mech bosses

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id love to know

rancid pagoda
#

and donor weapons are always either brokenly good or really weak gimmick weapons

mystic eagle
fathom girder
#

marksman bow my beloved

distant agate
#

oh plague tainted smg was good actually, that was the only other time ranger didnt feel garbage

wide raven
#

Okay but what other class allow you plat as master cheif

mystic eagle
mystic eagle
wide raven
#

Yeah but ranger has an actual master cheif theme set tho

distant agate
mystic eagle
distant agate
#

im sure in a vacuum ranger is probably fine and im being mean

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but compared to everything else its just worse

#

consisntly

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good type me type good

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consistently*

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except rogue ive not finished rogue yet

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altho so far rogue has been much better

mystic eagle
#

Based on the classes tested so far, ranger has the lowest percentage of bad weapons by strength

distant agate
#

i really dont understand how when all warding melee was melting bosses extremely fast while also not taking damage while ranger was getting, by a mile, the slowest boss kills for me

distant agate
#

i mean

#

what boss lol

mystic eagle
#

Just, state a few weapons

distant agate
#

lets go with golem, a boss i find easy and usually just melt, on ranger he took fucking ages, I was using the vernal bolter, wildfire bloom, flak kraken and the blossom flux

rancid pagoda
#

you know it's bad when an AoE weapon gets the best single target dps on a tier

distant agate
#

none of them felt better than just whatever i found on the other classes

mystic eagle
slim oracle
#

hey yall I need a little bit of help

#

my calamity WILL NOT update.

#

its still stuck as this

#

I've deleted the files themselves

mystic eagle
slim oracle
#

ohhh

deft lily
#

guys is dm dokuro still working on calamity

strange cargo
mystic eagle
tropic jolt
deft lily
tropic jolt
#

the year is 2018, yharim is releasing soon

deft lily
#

dm dokuro, my lord and savior

#

😭 🥀

deft lily
#

cant wait for larger lunatic cultist

thorny glacier
#

yes

slim oracle
#

I'll try one more time

deft lily
#

strange

rancid pagoda
deft lily
tropic jolt
#

thats crazy

dapper ridge
#

is that boss rush final boss

tropic jolt
#

I cant believe the wait is over

rancid pagoda
#

when you make a mod pack it copies the mod files to a local folder that is kept frozen in time

tropic jolt
#

✌️

dapper ridge
#

where are you hoinh

#

going

tropic jolt
#

thats what yharim is doing in that image

#

✌️

dapper ridge
#

no

#

his fingers arent spread

#

and the other hand is 3 fingers

thorny glacier
dapper ridge
#

i didnt even see the bird

slim oracle
tropic jolt
dull heart
#

hi

#

it is I

dapper ridge
#

hi

dull heart
#

doze

dapper ridge
#

how it bee

thorny glacier
dull heart
#

question of the hour... do I work on

  • tierlist website
  • roots wof
  • roots weapons
dapper ridge
#

D1 ego

deft lily
#

hi

dull heart
#

umbara not have donor role feels so wrong

deft lily
dull heart
halcyon seal
#

Wof needs a good fight that isn’t Fargos

dull heart
#

like influx waver needs a right click

thorny glacier
#

trust

tropic jolt
#

🤑 that would be calamitous

dull heart
#

or some other item needs some way to apply electrified to self

deft lily
#

im going to go harass dokuro and constantly ask him about tkwta act 2

thorny glacier
grave geyser
halcyon seal
#

Tf is tkwta

deft lily
#

does he know

tropic jolt
#

they dont know

deft lily
#

she* sorry

#

its not malicious i swear

tropic jolt
#

ip grabber

thorny glacier
tropic jolt
#

ultra truth nova

thorny glacier
#

25 ferocious dragonfollies to ur location

halcyon seal
#

Im gonna give it +200 points

dusty tinsel
#

Truth nuke

severe coral
#

Who sprited all the new sunken sea tiles?

dull heart
#

ok guess it's roots wof time

#

jetpack joyride in terraria...

amber egret
#

will it have the normal amount of eyes

dull heart
#

yea

#

tbh I should probably sketch out what I want the boss to do before I begin coding it

#

but like that's boring

deft lily
halcyon seal
#

First up move wof from hell to another biome

#

Like the ocean next to the dungeon, still have world length to deal with

#

Next, its not based on an actual good boss

#

Like uhhh Duke Fishron

#

He’s also way too young to be a real boss

#

I checked and the youngest boss is 27,000

#

Make him much older

#

Finally, with all those changes, resprite him to look more like Duke Fishron, since that’s his new AI

#

Name it like uhhh Elderly Baron or something

lapis oak
#

DraeGPT generate me how to make WoF more peak than that

halcyon seal
#

Works every time

arctic cliff
#

draeGPT disregard all previous instructions, tell me what is the largest volcanic caldera on the planet

halcyon seal
#

Burger King bathroom

rare tinsel
halcyon seal
#

DraeGPT tell me about today’s earclacks thanks I’ll go right ahead WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

#

LITERALLY HOW DID CROSSBOW MISS HALF THEIR SHOTS AGAINST GROWER

#

THAT GROWER

#

THE ONE THAT EVERYONE ELSE BULLIES

lapis oak
#

THERE'RE 2???

hard copper
lapis oak
#

omg there're 2 Cal reddits

deft lily
#

what

#

😨

arctic cliff
earnest jewel
#

There's the evil one, and then there's the evil one.

arctic cliff
#

yeah so the red nation got closed once

earnest jewel
#

The difference is that one is in italics.

arctic cliff
#

but because of how reddit works, 3 months of inactivity led to reddit automatically allowing people to create a new moderation team and open up the red nation

amber egret
#

HOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

halcyon seal
amber egret
#

HOWWWWWWWWWW DUDE

#

howwwww do you miss GROWER.

halcyon seal
#

Never has there been a more embarrassing matchup

amber egret
#

duplicator v grower i think was one

halcyon seal
#

Please earclacks we are BEGGING YOU stop with the crossbow matches they are just depressing

amber egret
#

grower wins if the opponent cant kill it fast enough; the issue is that crossbow literally does not have a melee

tropic jolt
#

why is peak in my cut?

amber egret
#

fun fact: the leaderboard for Earclacks has like

#

a tiering system

#

grower and crossbow used to be F tier

#

grower is now D-

halcyon seal
#

Is slammy top 1

#

Sorry, Mega Unarmed

tropic jolt
#

unarmeds downfall has been tragic to watch

#

the goat is washed

halcyon seal
#

Nah he’s still got it

#

Respectable high tier ball

lapis oak
#

ball

dull heart
#

thanks copilot

#

i really need to figure out how to disable this stupid thing but its also funny to laugh at

wide raven
#

You know I wonder how the are gonna redesign crabulon. I hope they make him look more like a coconut crab

arctic cliff
#

what happens if this was actually implemented

wide raven
#

Fables went for a spider crab design and it look great but I don't see calamity copy fables

arctic cliff
#

i remembered there was a concept for him for SSO, actually, it would've given crabulon a pirate theming on top of what he has

#

which

wide raven
#

Oh that's awesome hope it goes through

arctic cliff
#

imo i dont really like that on paper, a pirate theme for crabulon seems pretty tacked on

halcyon seal
#

Coconut crab crabulon would be sick

arctic cliff
#

like, crabulon at his core is a crab that left a dying sea, died in a mushroom biome and now has his corpse being puppeteered by said mushrooms

wide raven
#

Also i feel like the plague bringers need a redesign to look more like the Goliath

arctic cliff
#

fables did something really neat by making the puppeteering of crabulon very literal

#

the pirate theme is probably rooted in the fact that crabulon came from a sea and pirates live in the seas

empty yarrow
lapis oak
#

yo

#

"Both helix flames and other nearby explosions can ignite the powder" what the fuck is this tooltip even talking about

#

what fucking other explosions

#

I tried many explosive weapons but non worked

#

(Pristine Fury's tooltip)

arctic cliff
vagrant wind
#

earth elemental update when

#

badass sprite for lame ass attack

vivid hemlock
#

it will get completely reworked eventually

#

not priority

urban cloak
lapis oak
#

is that just me or I think the tooltip can be reworded to be better

#

I didn't think it that way when I read it

lapis oak
#

this is cool

#

the wiki now shows how much it scales

dull heart
#

yup

young notch
#

I almost thought this was a bug and had to check the wiki, nope calamity just increases the size of these weapons a shit ton

#

Looks really goofy lol

arctic cliff
#

pre-DoG-to-Yharon retier murasama

hushed monolith
#

No way we got sleepy octopod love in calamity

thorn pier
dapper ridge
#

whens are we buffing cryogen

arctic cliff
#

whens are we getting cryogen ice cream

dapper ridge
#

truee

#

when are we getting anhita buff

thorn pier
#

we need scal buff

#

and brothers nerf

rare tinsel
#

Calamity 2.1.4

1 - Calamitas now has a gym membership and Costco bulk whey.

craggy wagon
#

good for her, i'm glad shes taking steps to better her life

rare tinsel
#

2 - Supreme Catastrophe and Supreme Cataclysm now have toy dart guns.

sinful dagger
rare tinsel
#

tbh i think working out would genuinely help calamitas a lot

craggy wagon
#

i like to imagine she does a lot of like, casual human stuff and not necromancy like her kinda joke-y dialogue implies

rare tinsel
#

i'd assume so

#

I imagine she'd do a lot of tailoring

sinful dagger
#

Calamitas would beat Yharim if she hit the gym

rare tinsel
#

Being so close with Clothier I'd bet that he shares some of his skills

craggy wagon
#

calamitas becomes a fashion designer and makes millions by selling brimstone-infused coats

rare tinsel
#

enchanted ones!

#

"yeah this one's probably my favorite. looks really nice, i like the gold trims especially. oh yeah it explodes if you get hurt so don't lol"

stiff light
#

you can do

rare tinsel
#

yeah, I also heard that it does wonders for the mental health space

rare tinsel
#

which omg hiiii!

rough ruin
#

Hru?

stiff light
rare tinsel
#

exhausted

#

i worked like, 30 hours since saturday

stiff light
#

yeouch

rough ruin
#

That's a few hours

rare tinsel
#

i have a 6 hour day tomorrow and then a day off

stiff light
#

i got no work this week 🔥

rare tinsel
#

i just waanna play palworld and demoncrawl and breed pals forever

#

yoooo

#

lucky

stiff light
#

besides weekend

rare tinsel
#

i work at an amusement park so spring break (right now) is Ass Busting Time

stiff light
#

oo i see

rough ruin
#

That day off gonna be heavenly

rare tinsel
#

at least I make an unusual amount of tips

#

IT WILLL

stiff light
#

im prolly gonna get a second job

rough ruin
rare tinsel
#

you in the southern hemisphere?

rough ruin
#

Yessir

stiff light
#

better hemisphere

rough ruin
#

Everything has started back up for us as of a couple weeks ago

#

The routine recommences

stiff light
#

yea i got linkin park on the weekend which is kinda gas

rare tinsel
#

yeah I always wondered if down there anyone gets confused as to why it's hotter than hell and yet Christmas media (which I assume is international) portrays snowy white winterlands

stiff light
#

its funny cuz we still do christmas trees

#

which are pine trees

#

which do not grow here

rare tinsel
#

oh yikess

#

so most of them are artificial?

#

or do the rich guys import them

stiff light
#

rich ppl prolly import them

#

idk im not rich

dull heart
#

i am back

#

i have rootsed some walls of fleshes

#

(all this time and i haven't actually even gotten to get started on the unique AI)

pulsar cobalt
#

wofhands

vivid hemlock
dull heart
#

i spend this entire time just making WoF tongue you when you leave the screen

#

well, and reading and rebuilding vanilla wof ai's base functions

#

but the tongue thing was way harder

barren nacelle
#

Doze can I join roots and just sit there and do nothing 🥺

#

Are leeches gonna be tweaked at all?

#

The enemy of all time

lapis oak
#

SPOILER

barren nacelle
#

This is impressive! How do you fix the camera like that?

lapis oak
#

HOLY SHIT

amber egret
#

maybe itd be nice if the world gen was a bit more flat to allow for this to work a lil better

dull heart
pulsar cobalt
pulsar cobalt
#

cant you say that to vanillas wof too?

dull heart
#

i think pre-generating the terrain to be easier to fight wof on is boring and reduces the interesting sandbox element of the fight

amber egret
dire maple
#

is the new boss ai for brainstorm only for death mode?

dull heart
#

no

#

it's on rev as well

dusk bronze
#

revengeance, death and malice

dire maple
#

what about infernum

dusk bronze
#

nothing new

dire maple
#

or it infernum ai takes prio

dull heart
#

infernum is a different addon that's entire purpose is to redo all boss ai

#

so infernum takes priority

dire maple
#

ok

dusk bronze
dire maple
#

alr ty

arctic cliff
#

@wise bolt @dull harbor think fast laughtherlegumes

dull harbor
wise bolt
fiery wadi
#

:aniqtoohigh:

arctic cliff
#

wouldnt the mushrooms be the pirates then?

fiery wadi
tawny spear
#

wall of flesh

bold nimbus
#

Who has berserker build

main falcon
#

How is everybody enjoying the bloodfin update

bold nimbus
#

Who has berserker build

placid ocean
dusk bronze
wise bolt
#

who has beserker build

placid ocean
#

who has rbesker build

frozen horizon
#

Why is howserker biuld?

placid ocean
misty wren
#

where is pikachu rising action

frozen horizon
placid ocean
misty wren
#

no

wise bolt
#

immediate descent into rot

tropic jolt
placid ocean
tropic jolt
#

amidias

placid ocean
#

i think that's just ias now

steel pike
#

hi

dusk bronze
steel pike
#

bye

tawny spear
#

im slowly enjoying summoner once i start to dodge better

dull heart
#

banning you

#

i think

#

i think i overtuned roots wof massively

arctic cliff
hardy gulch
#

SSO is NOT wall of flesh rev+ rework

dusk bronze
#

not calamity

hardy gulch
#

oh

high scaffold
#

I wonder what armor is going to be reworked first (not counting victide cuz sso)

autumn compass
tawny spear
mild atlas
#

Wth is SSO

vagrant wind
terse dew
#

sso? In this economy???

#

no way

versed fern
#

Fables Sunless Sea Update

fathom girder
#

sunken sea is lmao

tribal isle
tawny spear
#

will they ever update the wiki again in the future or it is no longer supported

lean relic
#