calamity-update-talk

[empty yarrow]

I mean atleast Goozma’s slimes don’t just have King Slime AI

[unique warren]

Poorly designed boss is harder than well designed boss, shocker

[arctic cliff]

[empty yarrow]

I think that’s what Slimes in 2026 means I think?

[brittle escarp]

ND was more fun

Like a lot more

ND>AoE>Goozma>Mars imo

I was not a mars fan

[vivid hemlock]

thats what every terraria slime is and thats what im going off of

[unique warren]

Yeah Goozma looks nothing like a slime other than the stuff it summons

[stone fiber]

What about geldon?

[solemn crest]

Slimes are not always amorphous blobs! Slime rancher has amorphous blobs with faces :)

[earnest jewel]

Slime God IS only the core. The other two big ones are its minions.

Slime God is a Summoner main.

[rotund venture]

Isnt goozma a cosmic jellyfish in the addon? Das slimy

[brittle escarp]

Astrogeldon was unironically the hardest out of all of them

[arctic cliff]

shush, do you know

gastropods, those floating snails that shoot lasers? they're considered slimes

[empty yarrow]

Considering the precedent, yeah

[arctic cliff]

its the only slime that looks nothing like a normal slime

[lyric trellis]

That’s indeed what it is 90% of the time, including SG and QS, geldon and goozma are outliers really

[empty yarrow]

Is the HPU Slime God still happening

[solemn crest]

Would slime god taste good since canonically slime is tasty?

[ashen pivot]

probably shouldn't have worded it like that, i meant that the slime god should be the focus of the fight instead of the paladins

[vivid hemlock]

likely not

[unique warren]

I’m not saying Goozma is bad (at least for that reason) but it’s still not very slime looking

[empty yarrow]

Damn

[earnest jewel]

It's filled with the filth.

[arctic cliff]

so i bet ya 5 dollars that is what goozma is taking after

[vivid hemlock]

even if it did it would be replaced anyways

[empty yarrow]

Goodbye, little creature Slime God

[brittle escarp]

I actually really like Goozma’s design

That was my favorite part

[vivid hemlock]

because fabsolian design

[solemn crest]

But like… just cook it

[earnest jewel]

You can cook raw sewage, doesn't make it edible.

[arctic cliff]

slime god def needs a preliminary rework tho

[ashen pivot]

remove blighted gel

[lyric trellis]

“What if the bosses stayed the same forever except with a new coat of paint”

[empty yarrow]

I love King Slime ai

Every boss should be King Slime

[vivid hemlock]

i love my biome mimic paladins ❤️ (they need to be executed)

[solemn crest]

But you can cook water that has had stuff in it and the water is fine

[brittle escarp]

I think slime god is unironically the easiest boss in the whole mod

[white aurora]

doesn't slime god use biome mimic ai

[vivid hemlock]

the paladins yeah

[ashen pivot]

but sewage has like.. poo in it.

[earnest jewel]

Yeah, but the sewage is still there.

[white aurora]

lmoa

[solemn crest]

Filter

[unique warren]

Holy shit who cares 😭

[rotund venture]

Gonna be so great when no cal boss has reused ai

[solemn crest]

Filter + boil is kinda unstoppable

[unique warren]

What is this meaningless ass argument

[rotund venture]

V excited for that

[earnest jewel]

The person trying to eat sewage, obviously.

[rose laurel]

Expecting us to just copy Vanilla slimes is crazy sorry

[solemn crest]

Does slime god taste good?

[brittle escarp]

Nah it’s corrupt as hell

[arctic cliff]

briska do you think we actually want our slimes to be basic vanilla slimes

[brittle escarp]

Bro is made of “the ooze” (tm)

[unique warren]

Dawg that is NOT what any of us are saying

[arctic cliff]

we're just stating that normally, design wise, slimes are normally just slimes.

[solemn crest]

I think this is an ozz question 🤔🤔🤔

[arctic cliff]

in all honesty i really dig HPU's slime designs and im sad that specific slime god is probably never going to get added

[stone fiber]

I bet the thorium chef npc could do that

[unique warren]

Same, badass designs

[empty yarrow]

Its the precedent that was set for Slime bosses, not that we expect or want it to be the case for Slime God going forward

[earnest jewel]

I would bet quite a bit there is an as of yet uncontacted section of the fanbase who do.

[solemn crest]

Hold up what do they look like?

[rose laurel]

And then everyone went on the assumption that's what Slime God would 8e and some were advocating to just completely conceptually change it

[arctic cliff]

honestly i think they should just use the sprites anyhow, regardless of any fabsolian rework

[brittle escarp]

I think it would also be cool if the slimes could change shape and lash out with tendrils or something

Or whips

[unique warren]

Extreme aura

[solemn crest]

Oh right those

[urban cloak]

the blinker

[arctic cliff]

in all honesty, i think these slimes should have their special abilities show up in their p2 instead of losing them and splitting

like i think that would work so much better

[dusk bronze]

yeah

[empty yarrow]

I will miss calcium cage Slime God

[arctic cliff]

even if one of them is straight up copying QS, but like

its QS

[stone fiber]

To be honest, it was probably never going to be added anyways because of heart leaving 🤷‍♂️

[unique warren]

Like I get what some of y’all are saying but the design concept for Slime God is still amazing

[empty yarrow]

You were killed for the greater good

[dusk bronze]

the sprites are finished

[unique warren]

Like, it’s entirely unnecessary for an entire redesign to happen here

[dusk bronze]

i disagree

[empty yarrow]

Not if he becomes Post-Mechs imo

[unique warren]

I don’t see the issue there

[dusk bronze]

there's so much you can do with someone that controls slime

[empty yarrow]

I don’t think that design fits for that point in progression

[unique warren]

This works for post-mechs

Like, very well

[earnest jewel]

Slime God should be like this so we get another head + hands boss.

[lyric trellis]

Yeah I’d hope that nobody thinks I’m expecting Cal to just continue being biome mimics and vanilla QS forever, it could probably just be a mini goozma or something, or something we haven’t seen before anywhere, SG just feels like a blank canvas you could do anything with

[still cobalt]

how? its just two king slimes basically

[empty yarrow]

Unironically like

[rose laurel]

Like if you're gonna advocate for the complete change of something, you 8etter have a good fucking reason for that 8esides "well but the current precedent is bad"

[empty yarrow]

This type of liquid look from the rainbow devil would be sick

[rose laurel]

Tell me why something is conceptually 8roken and then I might hear you out

[unique warren]

Yeah idk, SG doesn’t need a major redesign

[gleaming hatch]

meanwhile im sitting here reading and im liek i couldnt give less of a sht what happens to slime god

[unique warren]

Sure it can get some modifications but a full redesign is entirely unneeded

[dusk bronze]

bruh it's so boring rn

[dusk bronze]

.

[unique warren]

major

[dusk bronze]

yes I know

[empty yarrow]

I just don’t feel the design matches the concept of a Slime God

[unique warren]

“There’s only so much you can do with a unique concept”

[arctic cliff]

a god of slime being before a queen slime is well

odd

[empty yarrow]

Especially for Post Plantera there’s alot more that can be done

[unique warren]

Dude post plantera has golem

[empty yarrow]

Don’t even need to kill the idea of a core either

[dusk bronze]

queen slime is still slime god

[empty yarrow]

That’s Vanilla’s problem not Calamity

[arctic cliff]

i mean but just off the name

its

weird

[unique warren]

It’s still weird asf

[arctic cliff]

and wonky

[unique warren]

It’s not a problem

[lyric trellis]

The only point I’m trying to make with SG’s concept is that it seems like a boss you could turn into anything, not that it need to be entirely overhauled

[dusk bronze]

not really

[empty yarrow]

Golem is not a standard for anything

[arctic cliff]

also its a bad fucking showing for the first god you encounter

[solemn crest]

I think they’re saying that it’s a little odd the other goes king>god>queen in terms of power progression

[plush carbon]

True...

[dusk bronze]

king > god > god

[earnest jewel]

Because women are the strongest, obviously.

[arctic cliff]

which idgaf if thats part of pushing yharims lies or something i want my bosses to be good and fight me at their best

[empty yarrow]

I still don’t like that

[unique warren]

Slime God also has way more visual interest than like, Aureus

[arctic cliff]

ALSO

[blazing field]

(Ignore the lore for a bit and think of presentation instead)

[brittle escarp]

What is king slime then

[vivid hemlock]

king slime is a guy

[ashen pivot]

best point ever we don't need a rework anymore

[vivid hemlock]

thats it

its a big slime

[empty yarrow]

Feels very anti climactic since Queen Slime isn’t any different than normal

[dusk bronze]

the lore is the presentation

[solemn crest]

We know it’s the same, I think the problem is stemming from the naming conventions yk?

[unique warren]

The lore is PART of it

[empty yarrow]

Bro just dies pathetically and I don’t like it very much

[blazing field]

Nah, lore and presentation are diff things

case in point,

calamity lore is good

the presentation of it is not

[ashen pivot]

he runs away like a lil bum

[blazing field]

Yeh

They're not the same thing, but they wrok in tandem

[gleaming hatch]

would be cool if slime god was something you fight once in each stage of progression

[dusk bronze]

no

[gleaming hatch]

like it powers up after you kill queen slime

or something

[blazing field]

I hate slime god i hate slime god

im the slime god slanderer

[unique warren]

Slime God has a very interesting concept and idk why people don’t see that 😭

[still cobalt]

i just fine it weird phm has 2 slime bosses hm has 1 and post ml has none

[blazing field]

Anyways this chat is bad rn so i'm gonna like leave have fun killing eachother

[brittle escarp]

Slime god truely is the potential boss

[earnest jewel]

Also the question of why was Slime God able to make a paladin stronger than its other two really quickly and also get stuck in it.
Is Slime God stupid?

[agile latch]

biome mimic concept

[empty yarrow]

Like unless you read the lore item, how can you even tell that’s slime god

[ashen pivot]

we already have this bullshit with ravager becoming stronger after providence

[unique warren]

Homie did I even mention the AI once 😭

[dusk bronze]

the concept is "king slime x2"

[lyric trellis]

Legendary SG that turns into Goozma in the end

[empty yarrow]

Its just Queen Slime

[unique warren]

The concept is a smaller, weaker being controlling two larger ones

[agile latch]

in dev the so far discussions is that its likely

that slime god will be tier shifted

[unique warren]

That’s already more interesting than most bosses 😭

[dusk bronze]

that does not come through in the game at all

[agile latch]

(likely, not confirmed, not fully settled, etc.. don't add it to future content doc or anything)

[vivid hemlock]

thumby

wasnt gonna

[agile latch]

the 2 positions mostly talked rn is on current cal clone tier or early post moonlord

[unique warren]

Then make it come through, you don’t need to fully redesign the boss 😭

[vivid hemlock]

👁️

[urban cloak]

if you beat all slime gods before yharim then there's a special cutscene of slime god absorbing yharim after you get him to 1 hp

[dusk bronze]

idc what you do with sg just for the love of god don't put calclone in phm

[agile latch]

early post moon lord is fun because then you have a slime boss as the first boss

for all tiers

[blazing field]

early post ml slime god i'm not a huge fan of personally ,,

specially iwth how many things are already being put there

[unique warren]

It would work very well if not for t2 evil already being planned for that

[blazing field]

And it also kind of feels weird with slime god's lore being him being kind of a weak/cowardly god

[agile latch]

only 1 thing is being put there

[gleaming hatch]

ravager is gunna get retiered to only post ML iirc

[agile latch]

and its ravager

[lyric trellis]

SG becomes the actual OG 2019 goozma mod…

[blazing field]

Ofc lore can change, but

[unique warren]

But with that being the case… no

[blazing field]

evil2 ..?

[gleaming hatch]

and idek if theres even a lore reason why ravager is powered up

[ashen pivot]

yes

[dusk bronze]

evil2

[agile latch]

that is a swap

not a addition

[gleaming hatch]

slime god you could bs a reason like

[vivid hemlock]

ravager pre provi...

[urban cloak]

where are my deus post-ml truthers 🗣️

[lyric trellis]

Here

[vivid hemlock]

🫡

[rose swan]

hi

[gleaming hatch]

"osht the god thingy ran away to eat other slimes"

[blazing field]

Also yeah deus is one that might happen iirc but not confirmed, personally i'm in support of that one

[unique warren]

It’s trading 1 boss for two that have the SAME THEMING AS SLIME GOD

[rose swan]

i've been summoned

[dusk bronze]

we don't need 4 gods in early postmoonlord

[agile latch]

the lore right now was built to support the current kinda scuffed slime god

[strange cargo]

They don’t exist

[earnest jewel]

Lore reason is that it's a messed up zombie god that's really strong so it's in the really strong tier.

[agile latch]

nothing forbids it to be slightly changed to fit future plans

[urban cloak]

YOU dont exist!!!!!!!!!

[agile latch]

like slime god becoming queen slime thing

[vivid hemlock]

glory to post ml deus!!!!

[unique warren]

But yeah, Slime god’s main concept should be kept intact

[arctic cliff]

Slime god's fight became worse because of this lorechange, it just now runs off instead of fighting you

for the penultimate prehm fight thats so fucking shit, even regardless of whether the core phase was horrible to fight against, removing that just made the fight far far more boring

[blazing field]

Lore can change and all that but i think slime god being a weaker adn cowardly god is more interesting than it just being yet another more powerful post ml god

[agile latch]

a lot of cal lore was built to support scuffed stuff that were locked from being changed due to fabsulian regime

[unique warren]

There’s little reason to change it other than… change for the sake of change

[cunning sequoia]

yeah

[strange cargo]

Then how am I donator, silly

[blazing field]

It also shows that gods come in variety of strenghts and aren't all just super strong

[agile latch]

which we can change and make better/ make less convoluted

[cunning sequoia]

especially with providence being RIGHT after it

[dusk bronze]

thgis

[blazing field]

And like, it fits

[cunning sequoia]

AND ravager

[agile latch]

it would still be the weakest of the gods

[urban cloak]

damn you right

[blazing field]

Slime God

[cunning sequoia]

IMMEDIATELY after provi

[blazing field]

is literally

a Slimy Bastard

[slate folio]

Slime god looks like mahito

[strange cargo]

I hate earlier post ml rn

[lyric trellis]

Every lore argument really needs to remember that lore can be changed and most of it was done retroactively (which is very apparent in some places)

[gleaming hatch]

inb4 slime god evolves into goozma

[slate folio]

Has anyone ever said that

[unique warren]

Holy fuck this chat is too fast

[blazing field]

Dosen't hit as hard if it's still post moon lord and shortly before many of the stronger gods imo

[cunning sequoia]

the huge gap between slime god and provi shows that so much better though

its the weakest = slightly weaker

[agile latch]

he is meant to be the guardian of balance

[blazing field]

^

[agile latch]

and also potential god

[earnest jewel]

Slime God being a weak god but still being very strong does help sell the idea that the gods are strong, and if they are what Yharim was fighting than Yharim must be REALLY strong.

[solemn crest]

SG early post-ML would give you more opportunity to use your new ML gear, which wouldn’t be a bad thing at all

[agile latch]

his domain (same for gluttony) has the highest potential of any

[strange cargo]

I thought the slime god we fought wasnt the real one

[agile latch]

literally the potential god

[ashen pivot]

tbh all of post ML feels like a boss rush when you don't have addons installed

[cunning sequoia]

having potential is perfectly fine as it is though

[vivid hemlock]

this is because theres only bosses in vanilla cal

[earnest jewel]

You do fight the real Slime God. Twice.

[empty yarrow]

All he had to do was eat a bunch of slimes and boom, out pops Goozma

[blazing field]

There's already other bosses that fill that role, profaned guardians, evil2, maybe astrum deus (?)

[slate folio]

would you say goozma is comparable to canon slime god's full power

[agile latch]

but slime god will never reach said potential because he believe in balance too much.. and hoarding all the power for himself would be breaking that

[unique warren]

I think that slime god should just be post-mechs, and should have a modified version of its current design

[empty yarrow]

Slime God more like Slime Fraud

[strange cargo]

Meet potential god

[agile latch]

not even eat but slimes are the creatures with the best adaptation in the economy

[blazing field]

Slime God randomly jumping you for no reason then running away to jump you again and then it dies

[agile latch]

they can thrive in any enviroment

[blazing field]

Trul fantastic

[solemn crest]

Is Deus being shifted to post ML?

[unique warren]

There’s no reason to fully change its design

[agile latch]

i assume in the future the reason for him jumping you is

[blazing field]

Unclear

[agile latch]

because the player is totally breaking the world balance

[blazing field]

It's ap ossiblity, no confirmation

[solemn crest]

I see

[unique warren]

Especially seeing as it’s both iconic and like, a good design

[strange cargo]

Its like if Yuji and Todo were bums

[misty wren]

it feels a lot worse for the Weakest God™ to be just slightly weaker than One Of The Strongest

[empty yarrow]

What if Slime God was left in the Time Chamber for 1000 years and betrayed?

[agile latch]

with their fast growth and the changes they are doing to the world

[blazing field]

Slime God in hardmode works much better than early post ml imo, even if i do see the appeal of "one slime boss for each tier"

[unique warren]

Agreed

[solemn crest]

^^^

[agile latch]

it all depends on what slime god end up becoming

his redesign and rework plans

[vivid hemlock]

yeah

[plush carbon]

Agree

[strange cargo]

Like how Gojo’s birth shifted the balance of the world?

[rose laurel]

I could never guess why we want to move Slime God later into progression

[empty yarrow]

Yeah, also remember that Ravager is gonna Post-ML too

[unique warren]

Istg if the redesign makes it unrecognizable

[agile latch]

i mean what is there in the current slime god?

[blazing field]

Sometimes things being unrecognizable is good

[empty yarrow]

So I’d be Slime God, Providence, Perf and Hivemind and Ravager back to abck if that was the case

[blazing field]

Slime god currently is nothing lol yea

[lyric trellis]

SG now turns into a neon green square

[empty yarrow]

God Oversaturation

[agile latch]

the things for sure the redesign will be are

• no more biome mimics
• no more floating ball
• no more random biome evil parts

[unique warren]

I think the HPU design was amazing

[agile latch]

the rest idk

[blazing field]

Providence being unrecognizable on the other hadn i think would be bad

[misty wren]

current slime god isnt necessarily a bad design but its very much a nothing design

[arctic cliff]

Personally I don’t mind if slime god is the weakest god, I just want him to fight extremely well

[strange cargo]

Slime god should be GREEN gluttony and greed are GREEN

[agile latch]

it was literally 3 balls

[strange cargo]

Big brain time

[blazing field]

Cuz even with some flaws the design has, Providence has a very distinct and iconic design

[agile latch]

if you looked at it without context you can't guess well what it is

in a void

[plush carbon]

Gluttony is orange actually

[agile latch]

which is a thing all designs need to suport themselves with

[strange cargo]

Fuck you

[empty yarrow]

I will retain that Slime God being an amorphous blob is good imo

[unique warren]

Okay so why are we talking about things in a vacuum

[urban cloak]

is this redesign in terms of slime god's presentation ingame overall or just the art

[empty yarrow]

Just not how it is or acts currently

[agile latch]

because that is design 101?

[hard copper]

there are already so many hardmode bosses, like almost half the bosses are in hardmode, thats why post ml slime god is a better option imo

[unique warren]

[agile latch]

it needs to suport itself in a vacuum

[still cobalt]

what uniqueness is there in current design other than maybe the "true form" thing

[blazing field]

The slime god would be swapped in that acse, not just tier shifted

[empty yarrow]

Maybe even if he had a physical form but it was in reality his Core molding a Humanlike or Monster shape to appear more manacing

[blazing field]

So hardmode boss count wouldn't increase

[unique warren]

What kind of vacuum are you talking about here

[empty yarrow]

Now that’d be sick

[unique warren]

Like, do we have knowledge of what a slime is

[agile latch]

without previous knowledge

[strange cargo]

Slime god should mirror the terrarian in one of the phases

[agile latch]

if you showed the slime god to someone that dont know what it is

[unique warren]

Okay how much previous knowledge are we missing

[blazing field]

HPU's slime god design didn't really changem uch about the design as is, kind of just gave it better texture and some additional traits (spikes and wings)

[agile latch]

can they see it as a slime, a god

his roles on the story

as a coward and weak god

these types of things

[unique warren]

Do they know what a slime is per se

[agile latch]

are the design expressing its core concepts well

[misty wren]

the only part of it that isnt just a scaled-up version of a hardmode slime is the core and even the core isnt very recognizable as a slime

[blazing field]

HPU's design was kind of , uninspired

[unique warren]

Okay sure I see what you mean but these can be accomplished without making it unrecognizable

[empty yarrow]

Her SH and DoG designs were pretty much that

[agile latch]

ngl i preffer the old ones textures personally (on the paladins)

the xelo ones

[strange cargo]

Slime god seems like a slime, and MAYBE yin and yang bc of the colors

[cunning sequoia]

like most of heart's designs tbf

[empty yarrow]

Not dissing or anything but it wasnmt that creative, either of them

[agile latch]

and what is the recognizability of slime god right now?

[plush carbon]

It can help to not be afraid of change sometimes

[agile latch]

biome mimic? or ball

[cunning sequoia]

they're high quality but they're less redesigns and more remasters

[unique warren]

Dude

[agile latch]

like the design dont have anything really going on for it

[blazing field]

Not everything needs to be recognizable as its past design - I do think sometimes yeah, theres iconic elements of a design you want to keep

[agile latch]

while like providence has

[blazing field]

But slime god dosen't

[arctic cliff]

hpu slimes felt gelatinous and the core looked really cool

[blazing field]

Really have anything

[empty yarrow]

Small ball and big ball x2

[blazing field]

It's got a core and 2 big slimes, and tahts kind of it

[unique warren]

It has biome mimic ai and that is the most it has in relation to them, stop mentioning them it is entirely irrelevant here

[agile latch]

like providence is a design with recognizable and iconic elements

[blazing field]

and the core itself is just a ball

[agile latch]

while slime god not really

unless you mean the 2 big slimes and ball format

but like biome mimic and evil biome curse (why is it even evil biome content)

[unique warren]

Does it look like a chest to you

Does it

[strange cargo]

It would make more sense if slime god started as one slime before splitting

[empty yarrow]

(I do kinda wish Providence would be redesigned a bit tho…)

[rose laurel]

8ro that's not the point

[agile latch]

she might, don't know

[blazing field]

I do think providence could get design tweaks in the future

[arctic cliff]

Core’s design gave the vibe that the core wasn’t… a normal slime, with the eyeball even hinting at its origin of being a guy that turned into a slime

[earnest jewel]

Why does she have branches?

[blazing field]

But unlike something like SG

[ashen pivot]

maker her more difficult

[agile latch]

she is lower prioirty though

[hard copper]

what if the slime paladins were dynamic based on world evil, so you either got ebonian on corruption worlds, or crimulan on crimson worlds. and then the second paladin is always hallowed

[blazing field]

I think a providence redesign should still keep similar vibes and design elements to her current look

[agile latch]

they wont be world evils themed

[empty yarrow]

Its recognizeable but I just don’t understand what she’s meant to be currently

[agile latch]

there is no reason for it

[unique warren]

Then what is the point in bringing up something entirely unrelated?

[rose laurel]

The point is what are even the actual traits of Slime God and what makes the design actually interesting to look at?

Like lowkey tell me what are the defining traits of Slime God?

[urban cloak]

it'd be nice but it's low priority and a pretty large task with how big her sprite is

[earnest jewel]

Because their behaviour is also a design element. They don't act like slimes.

[agile latch]

the xelo one convey the slime part a bit better, but the hpu one didnt really convey well the slime or the god part at all.

[strange cargo]

Slime god’s current design SUCKS its okay to admit that

[earnest jewel]

Purple and red?

[slate folio]

why are people hating on hpu slime god, i love the little web ball guy 💔

[unique warren]

They act too MUCH like slimes if anything

[slate folio]

hes so cool

[agile latch]

i think what should be kept from the design is the base concept, the god with high potential, that is coward, the balance element, the slime part

[ashen pivot]

it's really only a resprite (a good one though)

[empty yarrow]

Yeah ik

[agile latch]

but like what the current one has is nothing p much

[unique warren]

Those can be implemented without fully changing the actually interesting idea

[agile latch]

what actually interesting idea

[blazing field]

What is the interesting idea, though

[misty wren]

the 2 big slimes arent even distinctive design elements, as i said they're just scaled up hardmode slimes
even hpus resprites of them kinda keep that, crimson paladin ends up becoming a mix of spiked slimes and crimson slimes, and corrupt paladin just becomes a slimer

[unique warren]

Oh my god dude

[rose laurel]

What is the interesting idea?

[unique warren]

I have mentioned it three times

[blazing field]

Is it just, small guy controlling big guys

as you mentioned earlier

[empty yarrow]

Calamity has a lot of bosses that need more work than Providence even if I don’t like her design as much

[rose laurel]

Then say it again

[ashen pivot]

ahem exo mechs

[unique warren]

Which is more interesting than just a guy, which is most bosses

[agile latch]

and even then, hunt of the old god goozma already do that in a much better manner if the identity you say is main guy and slime helpers

[empty yarrow]

[arctic cliff]

Slime god is a flunky boss where the main meat of the fight is the two slimes. Whilst they do not act like slimes and more like biome mimics, the latter already are slime like in behavior anyways. Slime God itself is a floating ball that, originally was fightable before the lore rework iirc, but afterward it just kinda attacks you

[empty yarrow]

Correct

[blazing field]

Yeah that can be kept without being HPU's design

[unique warren]

I disagree

[blazing field]

Very easily

[unique warren]

I agree, but it seems that’s not what’s wanted

[rose laurel]

Ok so what you're saying is "there should be one little guy controlling two big guys"

[unique warren]

And they should generally be slimes ya

[blazing field]

What's not wanted is a boring design

[vivid hemlock]

all hail the hog

[agile latch]

rage bait..

[blazing field]

Nothing was rly said about it having to only be one guy

[rose laurel]

What's a slime?

[empty yarrow]

By that logic The Twins is the pinnacle of design

[blazing field]

HPU's design dosen't really reflect the character well nor does it rly do anything

[rose laurel]

Like legit descri8e a Slime to me

[empty yarrow]

Cause its twoooo guys now

[blazing field]

Oopos

[earnest jewel]

A miserable little pile of sludge!

[blazing field]

Typed too early

[agile latch]

yharim should clone himself 3 times during the fight and summon 4 yharons

[still cobalt]

horrible hog...

[arctic cliff]

What’s the issue with that?

[agile latch]

so its more interesting

conceptually

[unique warren]

By that logic, the twins are interesting in concept (which is true)

[dusk bronze]

true

[blazing field]

unique with the concept beyond adding some extra fluff to whats already there

[runic dragon]

Truth nuke

[rose laurel]

The fact that this doesn't conflict with anything Triangle is saying

[agile latch]

biggest foveanator fan?

[tropic jolt]

what is so horrible about that hog?

[empty yarrow]

Yharim should summon all his court buddies

[agile latch]

that why fabsol made skeletron prime have 2 skulls

so its better conceptually

same for foveanator

[empty yarrow]

Dradon, Calmitas, Permafrozen and Yharnon

[strange cargo]

Apparently the exo mechs are the best boss ever

[arctic cliff]

I genuinely don’t actually see the problem with that. You can do stuff with

[blazing field]

HPU slime god as a design is just current slime god, spikes and wings added to the paladins and a different looking core

[plush carbon]

[unique warren]

Stop strawmanning me 😭

[dusk bronze]

ur strawmanning yourself

[rose laurel]

No Triangle is strawmanning her

[earnest jewel]

Is Yharnon Yharon's French cousin?

[ashen pivot]

i kinda liked the 2 skulls idea the first time i fought it until the OTHER MECHS I KILLED ALREADY decided to pop in

[blazing field]

Can u guys not be hostile and angry and evil btw keep being civilized and allat

[agile latch]

i mean

[empty yarrow]

Eye of Cthulhu2

[blazing field]

Don't kill eachother over calamity boss design

[misty wren]

as ive said twice already, the paladins designs are just stuff that already exists in vanilla terraria but bigger

[unique warren]

You can oversimplify anything into sounding boring

[agile latch]

the slime god being a slime?

[unique warren]

Actually explain the concept in detail and it’s interesting

[misty wren]

and not even bosses, regular enemies

[runic dragon]

Let’s ALL be hostile (says cheese)

[unique warren]

Personally, smth like Goozma is not slime enough for me

[agile latch]

its like making the eye of cthulhu be a eye

[arctic cliff]

Honestly what I’m trying to say is

The idea of Slime god, as an orb that is assisted by two large slimes, can be made into an interesting fight. It’s just that, rn, it’s not that interesting

[empty yarrow]

🧀

[agile latch]

goozma is more of a jellyfish

based on the slime rancher oil creatures

it has the slime paladins with it to suport on the slime part too

[plush carbon]

I think we can have this conversation without 5 random dudes being here just to dogpile someone

[misty wren]

tarrs 😨

[unique warren]

Which is cool but jellyfish are not slimes

[agile latch]

yea

[arctic cliff]

You do not need to toss everything aside just because it’s not perfect

[unique warren]

They’re like, kinda slime adjacent? Thorium has the queen jellyfish?

[agile latch]

really fun iban design for goozma, it was also made to go together with

[ashen pivot]

they're slimy though

[rose laurel]

Did you not read my second message?

[agile latch]

iban slime god ?

i forgot if its being used for fables

likely

[empty yarrow]

Primeval Nucleus my beloved

[unique warren]

It’s too loose and relies on external references (slime rancher) to work super well imo

And that isn’t in a vacuum, is it

[dusk bronze]

it is

[agile latch]

it has more interesting things going on

[empty yarrow]

Slime Primordial Fish

[dusk bronze]

but post moonlord

also called primeval nucleus

[arctic cliff]

Fair enough

What is triangle trying to say I actually am lost on his point

[agile latch]

than the crudest of concept that is just a 2 colored ball

[empty yarrow]

Its Pre-Hardmode

[agile latch]

that still fails to convey what its meant to be

[empty yarrow]

Iban said as much

[agile latch]

(a slime god)

[dusk bronze]

not in fables

[rose laurel]

That Slime God's design is 8oring as hell

[empty yarrow]

Basically Duke Fishron to Pre-Hardmode

[agile latch]

yea, the slime thematic dont need to be literally just slime

[blazing field]

Slime dosen't have to just be the terraria bodyplan for slimes, they can vary a bit

I think Goozma is a slime-adjacent creature and it works well enough as that, its goopy and squishy and translucid

[agile latch]

like what primeval nucleus do

[unique warren]

Why do you type like this

[rose laurel]

8ecause I want to

[vivid hemlock]

lmao?

[agile latch]

yea

[blazing field]

Haven't you asked thi several times already

[misty wren]

because thats just what she does

[unique warren]

Once, like half an hour ago

[rose laurel]

You know what?

[unique warren]

To which I did not get an answer to that time so idk I just wanted one

It’s no biggie I was just curious lmao

[blazing field]

Even in the context of other media like DnD

[rose laurel]

There

[blazing field]

Oozes (the slime monster category) has alot of diversity in its bodyplan

[earnest jewel]

Surely something with the power to control slime does not need to make its guards look and act like regular slime.

[vivid hemlock]

the nuclear bomb slime....

[blazing field]

You have some basic amorphous colored sludges that are like terraria slimes, while some more complex stuff still exists

[agile latch]

even with primeval nucleus in fables, it has the thematic of the primordial ooze and stuff

[misty wren]

id like it a lot more if it didnt follow the standard terraria bodyplan for slimes because the standard terraria bodyplan for slimes is just a pinto bean rotated 90 degrees

[agile latch]

which is p interesting

than just black and white ball with eyes

like literally if i didn't knew about what its meant to be, i wouldnt be able to tell its a god

[unique warren]

It’s just a thing where making Goozma look like a Tarr slime makes it feel LESS slime-like if you don’t know slime rancher since it lacks that slimy texture

[empty yarrow]

Primordial Soup Slime

I like it alot

[agile latch]

even if you ignore the tarr part, it being rainbow work well with the concept of it being a

fusion of all the slimes

which are color related mostly in vanilla

[unique warren]

I guess…?

[blazing field]

i didn't even know it was actually inspired by slime rancher until now

[unique warren]

That’s kind of super basic tbf

[blazing field]

Slimes being made of different materials is,

a pretty common trope

even in vanilla

sand slimes, snow slimes

[misty wren]

even in calamity

[agile latch]

its much more already than what current SG is going on for

[misty wren]

ore slime 9001

[vivid hemlock]

ore slimes

[agile latch]

and it communicates what its meant to be much better

[empty yarrow]

Also cause yknow

His spawn animation

[unique warren]

Maybe I’m just not understanding what the current idea for SG is

[agile latch]

its weird to criticize goozma for being "basic" when you were endorsing current SG

[empty yarrow]

Is him absorbing thousands of slimes

[rose laurel]

When you mesh a 8unch of playdough together it also gets grey/rainbow-y, which y'know Goozma is

[agile latch]

which is like literal 2 colored evil ball

[blazing field]

Goozma having a much more complex design compared to basic bitch green slimes also makes sense wtih it being a grand final boss and all that

[misty wren]

basic is fine as long as its not just bigger something else

[unique warren]

I think it’s honestly a more important baseline for a slime god to look like a damn slime

[agile latch]

also tarr in slime rancher happens when you

[unique warren]

That’s all I’m rlly saying

[agile latch]

combine too much slimes together..

i think if its a big one eats a third plort?

[misty wren]

ok but even now it doesnt

[unique warren]

Yup

[empty yarrow]

Slime is a liquid, it doesn’t have a defined shape

[blazing field]

Slimes don't have to be literally just the basic terraria slime bodyplan, is what we're saying

[unique warren]

Okay be serious

[agile latch]

which the current don't

[blazing field]

I mean

It does

[ashen pivot]

rebrand slime god

[misty wren]

the paladins are the parts that look like slimes the actual slime god is just a ball

[ashen pivot]

oobleck god

[blazing field]

They're literally two big slimes

[agile latch]

the paladins do

[unique warren]

Slime God, even if it’s more boring, does look a lot more like a slime than Goozma

[empty yarrow]

It shouldn’t have to be a ball because RPGs show them like that

[blazing field]

Even if you say the core dosen't,

[agile latch]

the slime god himself don't

[blazing field]

The boss itself is mostly just the paladins

And those are just big slimes

[agile latch]

i'm mostly talking about slime god himself (the core)

because then goozma has the paladins too

which are also literal slimes

[unique warren]

Aren’t those just attacks

[agile latch]

no

[misty wren]

no

[agile latch]

its separate entities

[unique warren]

Like they don’t have health bars right

[arctic cliff]

UGH

[agile latch]

they do have health bars

its just shared

have you played the mod 🥹

[arctic cliff]

this conversation is going nowhere

[agile latch]

true

[unique warren]

I just hope they keep the core concept of SG alright

[agile latch]

it dont really matter though, current slime god will be redesigned in the future, likely tiershifted, current design dont express well what it is meant to be and it will love the evil biome thematics

what the redesign is, idk

only the future will tell

will the paladins be kept, idk

[unique warren]

That’s what I meant tbf

[misty wren]

well thats not what you communicated

[unique warren]

And even then, there are attacks that have health bars

[unique warren]

Unneeded but thanks

[unique warren]

Though this could be chalked up to Cultist being mega silly

[agile latch]

it would be easier for you to just say "i hope the paladins or the duo/ triple fight scheme is kept"

than the core concept

[arctic cliff]

those attacks can be destroyed to be avoided

[agile latch]

because the core concept of sg rn is really nothing burger

[arctic cliff]

simple as is ngl

[unique warren]

Is this not the core concept 😭

[agile latch]

since i assume that is what you mean

not really

[empty yarrow]

If anything, Paladins could be a sub phase

[arctic cliff]

shush, triangle is trying to said that the fight's current nature, is lame

[unique warren]

I agree

[blazing field]

You can have alot of diff things that can be read as slimes, these are all "slime" creatures from dnd per example

[agile latch]

the core concept also brings the ball shaped nothing burger designs and the biome mimic curse + the fact the 2 paladins dont work together at all or work diferent from each other

[blazing field]

They don't all have to be the same bodyplan with diff colors and stuff

[agile latch]

and the evil biome part

[arctic cliff]

you just fight two slimes that are functionally biome mimics that teleport and shoot projectiles, whilst the core isnt even fought and just leaves

[empty yarrow]

Like Slime God giving into his cowardly tendency, and hiding to either heal or catch you by surprise

[unique warren]

Ehhh core concept means like, the concept at its most basic to me

[agile latch]

well just properly explain it then

[empty yarrow]

But not have it be the central concept of the fight

[unique warren]

Less about implementation

[agile latch]

rather than saying "i find it interesting" say what you find interesting

or what the core concept you mean is

[unique warren]

To be fair I didn’t know I wasn’t

I thought we had a mutual understanding of what I was talking about until now

[arctic cliff]

i swear theres a thorium slime thats just the cube

[agile latch]

this is a thing i wish most bosses get in the future

the wip DS does it p well, being very clumsy and showing personality

rn most bosses are cardboard boxes, yharon is a big case

showing 0 personality

[blazing field]

yeaj gelatinous cube is in thorium

[arctic cliff]

it moves foward and doesnt hop, but damaging it causes it to spawn minions that do move like slimes

[unique warren]

But yeah idk I think the concept of a single, weaker entity attacking and defending with constructs sort of like a warlock is an awesome idea

[agile latch]

like yharon is meant to be proud and egotistical, but rn all he does is dash and spam roar noises

[blazing field]

yharon roar mp3

[dull heart]

and sing!

[strange cargo]

The humble gelatinous cube (dont think its thorium, its a dnd thing mostly)

[dull heart]

he can sing!

[blazing field]

It is a dnd thing but thorium adds it

[empty yarrow]

He also has his message to his master

[agile latch]

and that is fair, and a much better way to show your point

than just "core concept"

[unique warren]

Sorry

[agile latch]

i do think slime god core concept being him working with others to be a good thing

kinda had some ideias around it, but it shoudlnt be just 2 evil biome blobs tho

play into his balance thematic more

[fathom girder]

the paladins should reuse scal brother ai tbh

[unique warren]

The 2 evil biome things is a not bad idea but it doesn’t land right

[agile latch]

so retinazer and spazmatism ai?

[prisma cipher]

is wulfrum controller or brittle star staff better for support now

[fathom girder]

no no

[unique warren]

Like, yeah, evil biomes are all about balance, god of balance uses them, neat

[fathom girder]

SCAL brother ai

[agile latch]

it just don't make much sense and we have

enough evil content already in the future

[fathom girder]

not calclone brother ai..

[agile latch]

when evils 2 get their proper things

[earnest jewel]

Slime God should have a paladin for every biome and when they all get destroyed they recombine into a super slime mecha suit.

[unique warren]

Yeah I agree

[earnest jewel]

It then fights you in that suit.

[dull heart]

evil and hallow showing balance would like

[agile latch]

much sense for the story and who slime god is meant to be

[dull heart]

make way more sense

[unique warren]

I agree but then there’s the Queen Slime issue

[dull heart]

but slime god being prehardmode makes hallow make 0 sense

[agile latch]

this users knows too much

[empty yarrow]

I do like the idea of him using those evils to attack, just not as Paladins

[agile latch]

totally didnt had zygarde isnpirations for a possible

slime god redesign

[vivid hemlock]

wtf

[agile latch]

with the cells and diferent combination forms..

[empty yarrow]

Also include Hallow and Astral

[dull heart]

slime god should have two giant stone rollers and be almost invincible

[strange cargo]

Voltron ahh, power rangers ahh

[agile latch]

100% super gundam slime god throwing obliteration slime beams at you

[arctic cliff]

honestly i think that HPU design can work if there's a core phase where he takes the remnants of his paladins and gives himself floating wings and spikes to fight you with

[unique warren]

So INSTEAD, make slime god entirely replace queen slime and it’s a fight with a corruption, crimson, AND hallowed slime

This is a joke for the record

[brittle escarp]

Slime god should just have a gun

[earnest jewel]

Please don't kill me I made that all up.

[arctic cliff]

even tho that would require new sprites 😞

[brittle escarp]

Like screw the slime stuff

Just a photorealistic gun

[agile latch]

slime god is being fully redesigned

[empty yarrow]

Slime God should use Road Roller Da as his final desperation phase

[dusk bronze]

would anybody actually be sad

[agile latch]

and the hpu one isnt being used

[ashen pivot]

yay

[empty yarrow]

And throw a Road Roller shaped slime

[agile latch]

that is a fact

[unique warren]

You’re not wrong at all lmfao

[agile latch]

what said redesign will be, what tier it will be in and stuff

is still being discussed

nothing settled

[ashen pivot]

man why was queen slime even added

[dull heart]

slime god should use realistic liquid physics and just be a puddle

[agile latch]

but there will be a new design (unless the mod explodes)

[dull heart]

Queen Slime makes sense

[fierce hearth]

Slime God taking simple slimes and forcing them into complex shapes with extremely specific functions would be a far more interesting implementation than pre-existing Paladins getting Amped™

[unique warren]

I honestly don’t know what else to make the small one other than a ball

[dull heart]

It fits with what hardmode is

[blazing field]

terraria developers adding both the best boss evera nd the wrost boss ever to vanilla in 1.4

[empty yarrow]

I’d be sad cause King Slime will lose his wife

[dull heart]

Which is basically NG+

[fierce hearth]

Telegraphs based on slime shape

[unique warren]

What else is slime-like and small 😭

[tired adder]

ball... with an aura

[empty yarrow]

Single King Slime phase, he gets deppression

[dusk bronze]

would anybody protest if queen slime was merged into a full slime god bossfight

[arctic cliff]

some would

[ashen pivot]

the only thing exploding is my hearing after using dazzling stabber staff

[arctic cliff]

but they'd be easy to make fun off anyways

[urban cloak]

it still surprises me that empress was added at the same time as queen slime

[ashen pivot]

no

[urban cloak]

genuinely what happened

[vivid hemlock]

queen slime was punishment for having another good vanilla boss being added in 1.4

[dusk bronze]

true

[empty yarrow]

No

[agile latch]

the hive on dungeon walls

[dull heart]

Just like King Slime is the intro slime boss to prehardmode, Queen slime is the intro slime boss to hardmode and Golem is the intro slime boss to post plantera

[strange cargo]

I can’t say

[arctic cliff]

they wanted another boss for the hallow since it was desperately in NEED of one

[ashen pivot]

what happened here

[unique warren]

Really said “you may have a SECOND good vanilla boss… and also the worst one EEHEHEHEH”

[arctic cliff]

and ig they made two

[fierce hearth]

[agile latch]

deerclops

[dusk bronze]

just
turn queen slime into the slime god fight
problem solved

[unique warren]

Doesn’t work as well as slime god being post-ML but that also works pretty bad for other reasons

[vocal kelp]

i am killing you guys and your boss classifications

[fathom girder]

Golem is a slime

[empty yarrow]

I am more confused as to Golem’s existence than Queen Slime’s

[fathom girder]

it's canon

[dull heart]

golem was a choice of all time

[earnest jewel]

Clearly this is the ideal Slime God boss fight concept.

[hard copper]

i think slime god being a ball is fine, id guess slimes get their lumpiness from gravity anyway so one thats floating would take a ball or oval shape

[vivid hemlock]

2 hm jungle bosses right next to each other

[dull heart]

Two jungle bosses in a row

[empty yarrow]

They added a whole structure for a King Slime clone with fists

[strange cargo]

Everything is a slime, worm, or eye

[fierce hearth]

Golem was a bold idea that fell so comically flat they never recovered

[vivid hemlock]

genius!

[grave geyser]

in the same update no less

[empty yarrow]

Three Jungle bosses in total

[dull heart]

I'll show you what golem done right looks like someday

[unique warren]

Yeah like, genuinely, if anyone has a good idea for what the small slime god could be shaped as that’s interesting, tell me

[empty yarrow]

While the Tundra starves and dies with only a Crossover boss

[arctic cliff]

Clearly this is the ideal Slime God Dragon of Gluttony boss fight concept.

[still cobalt]

Infernum or something

[unique warren]

I don’t think there is one

[empty yarrow]

(We don’t talk about the Desert)

[fierce hearth]

Calamity adding another jungle boss immediately available after Golem was also the choice of all time

[grave geyser]

crackhead theory
what if it wasnt meant to be back to back

[ashen pivot]

and the desert doesn't even have a boss

[arctic cliff]

infernum alr did that

[earnest jewel]

Nah, wait, if we make it red this could be the Perforators.

[dull heart]

then they shouldn't have put them in the same location

[still cobalt]

Infernum is the only golem ive liked

[unique warren]

Like, what is small and slime-like in shape that is not a ball, I must know

[ashen pivot]

SPEAK UP!!

[grave geyser]

what if you were meant to fight plant early hm and then come back to kill golem post mechs

[dull heart]

oh

Like

Oh

[empty yarrow]

Don’t play with me man, you can’t just promise that

[strange cargo]

Jungle temple lowkey has like no reason to be in the jungle beyond it’s name

[unique warren]

Erm… you clearly haven’t played Souls (if you don’t like it I will uhhh be mildly upset)

[dull heart]

Literally 20% of golems problems would be fixed if jungle temple was moved to the snow biome

[vocal kelp]

what are yu talking about

[still cobalt]

I have no motivation to play souls

[unique warren]

Eh, it does fit the vibes

[empty yarrow]

I shed a tear fighting Infernum Golem and realizing he wasn’t a stinking pile of shit

[fathom girder]

Fargos mentioned, death penalty

[unique warren]

“I have no motivation to have fun and enjoy my life”

[vocal kelp]

crazy shit to say to someone who doesnt want to play fucking emode man

[still cobalt]

But why would the jungle temple be in the snow
Checkmate person trying to make the game better

[arctic cliff]

wait you're referring to fargos mod and not dark souls for some reason

[strange cargo]

I don’t care for your opinion after that 20 minutes of arguing

[empty yarrow]

I’ll play souls when I’m dead and buried

[grave geyser]

there is just enough evidence for it to be plausible even though it probably isnt real

[tropic jolt]

tmod players dont play any mods

[still cobalt]

This is tuff

[vocal kelp]

no there isnt like at all there isnt

[empty yarrow]

(Or when they make the accessories nice, aka 2.0 I think)

[strange cargo]

They coulda made it the pyramid instead of what we have as the pyramid rn

[still cobalt]

Yeah im holding off to 2.0

[unique warren]

Emode is genuinely not even THAT difficult 😭 like it’s hard but it’s quite a bit easier than Infernum

[arctic cliff]

obviously the solution to golem's problems is if he was turned into the smelter demon from nightreign

[fathom girder]

small problem: pyramid is cring

e

[empty yarrow]

Tmodloader? You mean CalamityLoader

[arctic cliff]

YOU'RE CRINGE

[vocal kelp]

that has nothing to do with this

[tropic jolt]

y'know I dont think thats what they meant

[ashen pivot]

golem being a desert boss sounds like an awesome idea

[unique warren]

Oh I see what you meant

[tropic jolt]

desert scourge is on the steam page after all

[strange cargo]

Thats why im saying to make the jungle temple the new pyramid

[unique warren]

Yeah I was just being silly

[fierce hearth]

Calamity's jungle favoritism was so funny when it was at its worst. Of the already existing 3 jungle bosses, Calamity added 3 more, 1 of which was immediately after Golem. Not to mention adding perennial and uelibloom ore (ik perennial is stone not mud, but it's tied to Plantera)

[empty yarrow]

Golem Ocean Boss (Atlantis)

[ashen pivot]

perennial is gonna be even more jungle

[tropic jolt]

perennial is so funny why does it even exist

[earnest jewel]

Give Golem a gun.

[agile latch]

My dragon deems you an unworthy opponent. You must acquire the power of the dark sun to witness his true power.

[unique warren]

Is this not all still true 😭

[fierce hearth]

Yharon was removed from jungle

That's it

[tropic jolt]

yharon is no longer jungle

[vocal kelp]

triangle does your dragon deem me an unworthy opponent

[tropic jolt]

🐌

[strange cargo]

Folly, pbg, plantera, golem, am I missing any

[dull heart]

not when bulbs are post 3 mechs there's not

[arctic cliff]

i still want yharon to have a second fight instead of having one

[strange cargo]

Queen bee

[unique warren]

[grave geyser]

thats the thing though
they wern't

[empty yarrow]

Uelibloom, the most confusing ore to ever be added

[vocal kelp]

yharon is still jungle in everyones hearts

[vivid hemlock]

oh god i remember this...

[empty yarrow]

Somehow a Jungle thing related to the Fire Goddess instead of Silva

[ashen pivot]

yharon should be one fight but with the regen

[unique warren]

Bring back the Yharon revive and my life is yours (but not the two fights)

[tropic jolt]

will fables remedy this grave mistake

[fathom girder]

dude this is still the most "what the fuck" moment I ever had in old calamity

like why

WHY

[tropic jolt]

will fables even have yharon

[fathom girder]

JUST LEMME AT HIM

[dull heart]

Oh

[fathom girder]

rrrrrrrrrr

[dull heart]

Til

[arctic cliff]

well at least we can say that is almost certainly happening

[strange cargo]

Uelibloom needs to go, like I can stand perennial

[unique warren]

The Yharon REVIVE was cool but splitting it up was REALLY stupid

[empty yarrow]

(Then I press the spawn item again)

[vocal kelp]

see thing is i dont think we get to do "intention" when the change was made 3 patches after

[ashen pivot]

the yharon regen was the most goated thing ever

[fathom girder]

Uelibloom is indeed getting changed

so dw about that

[still cobalt]

Literally what reason is there for jungle to basically be the most important biome

[unique warren]

Perennial is worse tbh. It’s directly after Chloro

[arctic cliff]

we're getting the regen back boys

[earnest jewel]

Because they needed to make you do the Solar Eclipse but harder somehow.

[fathom girder]

YEAH BUT.

POST-DOG

[unique warren]

Uelibloom is way less offensive

[fathom girder]

c'mon nowwwwwwwww

[earnest jewel]

It's green.

[empty yarrow]

Jungle Ore

[grave rock]

what if the eclipse had super mothron which used fishron ai tho

[empty yarrow]

Spawned by the Goddess of Fire

In Hell

[strange cargo]

Im going to tell you what I said less than 5 minutes ago

[urban cloak]

they needed yharon to look badass and have his hype moments and aura

[vocal kelp]

like we think that was red going "okay i gotta stop people from trying to fight a boss they shouldnt" after post release feedback

[earnest jewel]

*Ash.

What? That's not what I replied to!?

[unique warren]

If it is GENUINELY that deep you can ignore or block me

[fathom girder]

ourgh

[empty yarrow]

Its like having Cryonic Ore spawn from Calamitas Clone

(Or whatever that thing with Depth Cell was before)

[unique warren]

I will not mind

[grave rock]

ahem

[vocal kelp]

yes but like completely totally absurdly different in every way not a single recognizable bit of him will stay

[grave rock]

hallowed ore

[grave geyser]

playing release 1.2 and being hit with the most roots coded hardmode possible
it was so peak

[earnest jewel]

She's more closer related, if anything.

[strange cargo]

Cryonic is so fucky

[dull heart]

Too bad 1.2 was the major de-rootsing of classes

[arctic cliff]

its so insane that you have to go back to the holiday moons and eclipse post dog (latter being formely post-yharon), and they're only stat boosted. no new enemies to make the experience more interesting, here's mothron with jacked up stats to give her SOME difficulty

[tropic jolt]

thats good

[ashen pivot]

when the frost moon pumpkin moon and solar eclipse are no longer required for post-DoG progression

i can die happy

[empty yarrow]

The Dragon of Theseus (Positive)

[unique warren]

I honestly think a good chunk of ores could be removed entirely

[earnest jewel]

Ash.
This is what I was replying to.

[empty yarrow]

Yeah I know but like

[arctic cliff]

@vocal kelp is there even a yharim

[empty yarrow]

She uses Fire

[still cobalt]

And at that stage you have some insane mobbing weapon already so it doesnt matter

[grave rock]

i think we could add more bunnies

[empty yarrow]

Holy Fire

[earnest jewel]

To make ash.

[vocal kelp]

yes there is a fables yharim, hes very yharim

[agile latch]

did you acquire the power of the dark sun?

[tropic jolt]

yharim will be the fakeout boss before sir nautilus 2 🔥✍️

[earnest jewel]

Does he punch tables?

[fathom girder]

Fables yharim canonically punches a table

[empty yarrow]

Then why don’t she throw ash on my face

Pocket Ash

Reduce my accuracy

[earnest jewel]

She turns your face into ash.

[unique warren]

Like, perennial gear could legit just use Chlorophyte and Living Shards and I don’t think anyone would care???

[vocal kelp]

if you were to picture a yharim in your head right now without caring about specific lore or anything you would be picturing something similar to fables yharim, unlike yharon

[unique warren]

What would that change even

[fathom girder]

Perennial ore should grow IN chlorophyte ore

[grave geyser]

in what way
we got like, 3 projectile swords all of which were meant to be effectively "endgame"
we got summoner which was certainly not meant to be monoclassed given the bullshit I had to do for that run
I dont see it

[fathom girder]

like how chloro grows in mud

[empty yarrow]

Kill Cryogen giving 2 sets of Ice Weapons

[still cobalt]

Uelibloom grows in perennial after that holy peak

[fathom girder]

YEAHH

[unique warren]

Oh so like inception ore, then uelibloom grows in that, VERY smart

[empty yarrow]

From his drops and from his ore

[urban cloak]

i do not think overriding one ore with another immediately after unlocking said ore is a good idea

[unique warren]

It’s so peak..

[brittle escarp]

And they still get obliterated because all the little goons that do no damage give you infinite I-frames

[dull heart]

Enchanted Sword too, and Starfury became not magic, and Mana flower

[fathom girder]

See then Calamity can become one of those shitty ass minecraft create mods

it's GENIUS

[brittle escarp]

You are never hit by anything that does damage

[arctic cliff]

wdym by "hes very yharim"

is he very "i am murdering 75% percent of the planet in vengeance for the dragons" yharim, or very "I toss permafrost in the ice jail for refusing my request" yharim

[still cobalt]

Tbf at least cryonic is post mech 2

[still cobalt]

Meanwhile cryo is usually before mechs (at least for me)

[unique warren]

But yeah, I think Perennial is perhaps the most useless addition to the mod? 😭

[ashen pivot]

i always thought that cryogen being pre-mech and then the ore he spawns being post mech 2 was dumb as fuh

[empty yarrow]

“I was arrested for violating 14 international peace agreements” Yharim

[ashen pivot]

like why not just make cryogen post mech 2

[grave geyser]

mana flower was 1.1 though

[urban cloak]

perennial serves no purpose

cryonic serves no purpose

[fathom girder]

my takes that go that direction remind me why I could never be a dev luhmao

[urban cloak]

uelibloom serves no purpose

many ores just exist as extra fluff materials for you to gather

[arctic cliff]

and i mean that somewhat literally. is he a guy with an interesting and understandable, albeit deeply flawed motivation, or is he just clearly a powerhungry crybaby asshole

[unique warren]

They all sort of do but not in ways that make sense

[dull heart]

ok ok then I misremembered

[unique warren]

It’s not a bad idea to have post-ML ores but the way Uelibloom does it is nonsensical

[ashen pivot]

perennial, cryonic, uelibloom, blighted gel, galactica singularities..

[vocal kelp]

again, picture yharim without regards to specific lore, the most consistent bits of him as a character outside the narrative built with him, and youll have something similar to fables yharim, like something you could connect to fables yharim. it doesnt really matter which of these 2 feats he resembles the most because theyre still not the same, theyre just connected

[ashen pivot]

ALL BLOAT

[tropic jolt]

kill all these ores 🥺

[grave geyser]

enchanted sword I can 100% see the vision
for how rare it was for most of its lifespan I can see the appeal of "sword but projectile" as a cool weapon to have

[empty yarrow]

Given its Fables, the former

[unique warren]

I hope they fully redo it and just make it profaned ore atp 😭 😭 😭

[still cobalt]

Other than theming there is nothing that changes if tarragon stuff is made just from the divine geode or whatever

[empty yarrow]

Hopefully

[unique warren]

Mostly cause I want profaned armor ehehehhee

[urban cloak]

yeah

[grim pecan]

death is a form of rebirth

[still cobalt]

Prove that

[arctic cliff]

so, a world-conqueror with special technologically advanced gold armor and he's best buds with a bird dragon

[vocal kelp]

what we want you to understand is that there are indeed some things where fables will superficially resemble what you know but there are things it will not. sunless sea will make this clear

[grim pecan]

alright 🔪 get over here

[unique warren]

By doing what??? Dying??? 😭

[vocal kelp]

distill it more

[arctic cliff]

tin tyrant with a dragon

[empty yarrow]

Big Man angry and bad, that has a dragon bud

[grave geyser]

yharim is a guy.

[still cobalt]

More.

[vocal kelp]

maybe not even the dragon, who would know

[empty yarrow]

Yharim is.

[vocal kelp]

but, yeah, tin tyrant

[arctic cliff]

well then thats not yharim

[fathom girder]

Yharmy

[unique warren]

Why the hell did they give Yharim and Yharon such similar names

[grave geyser]

old calamity.

[unique warren]

Were they asking for a Link/Zelda situation

[empty yarrow]

Cause Yharim named Yharon

[vocal kelp]

theyre both just like a bloodborn location

[fathom girder]

link and zelda aren't similar soooooooooooooo no

[vivid hemlock]

yharnam

[vocal kelp]

and fabsol thought it was aura

or whatevr

[fathom girder]

It was FATE simply

[grave geyser]

this mod did not have a long term plan for most of its lifespan I think people need to understand that

[vocal kelp]

so now the big bad guy is called fucking yharim and his pet yharon

[tropic jolt]

tin tyrant with a creature

[empty yarrow]

Rune of Kos

[arctic cliff]

thats just my perspective this isnt me actually trying to invalidate whatever you've planned for yharim, im just saying that in my mind, a key part of yharim is that he has a dragon as his one true friend

[empty yarrow]

Aura +1000000

[unique warren]

This is true

[grave rock]

yall are so negative u should be thinking about bunnies

[unique warren]

Ok!

[vocal kelp]

thats fair and frankly we hadnt considered that, it is kinda true

[grave rock]

awesome

thats a great bunni

[empty yarrow]

The “Fabsol wants to program things he likes but is not very good at making” Effect

[arctic cliff]

this is true of old lore calamity and its true of new lore calamity. so yeah im honestly thrown off by this revelation

i dont mind that because this isnt main calamity i havent even touched fables so i dunno

[vocal kelp]

we dont know much more about fables characters than the layman (read: nothing) anyway

[ashen pivot]

what is fables even about

[unique warren]

Then never gets better at it and doesn’t go back to fix it

[arctic cliff]

fair

[earnest jewel]

Clay, I think.

[empty yarrow]

And won’t let other people fix it either

[vocal kelp]

its all HIDDEN AWAY in the DEVELOPER COFFINS

[ashen pivot]

and now the current dev team has to sift through the garbage he put out

[vocal kelp]

its true we have clay soldiers