calamity-update-talk

[clear pine]

there isnt rlly even much there man

[tribal isle]

does that mean the chart of walls and tiles ive been seeing in this channel

[amber egret]

see Normally it'd be okay for them to have stuff out there

[steel pike]

Ok so anyways

[tropic jolt]

there are a LOT of things on the internet that are technically public that you shouldnt talk about

[steel pike]

How’s uh how’s everyone’s day

[deft lily]

^

[tropic jolt]

for one reason or another

[amber egret]

but people are gonna be assholes and bug the devs abt stuff that Doesnt Exist

[clear pine]

everything outside of a couple stuff implemented

[steel pike]

Cyver how’s everyone’s FUCKING DAY

[deft lily]

yeah this is how its always been

more news at 7

[amber egret]

like "hey!!! why havent you made the new sakura zone yet!!!"

[tribal isle]

its 4 am i just woke up

[tropic jolt]

idk im good I guesssss

[amber egret]

when that Does Not Exist and Will Not

[steel pike]

Okay good I’m good too

[deft lily]

i think the cal devs should add me into the mod

i think it'd be a great addition

[steel pike]

Me too

[tropic jolt]

I made two sandwiches and devoured both

[steel pike]

I would be fucking awesome

[steel pike]

Devourer of sandwiches has awoken

[polar tide]

no those exist ingame already

[tropic jolt]

a sandwich does sometimes fear death

[plush carbon]

Strangely aggressive comment

[steel pike]

Devourer of burgers and Devourer of sandwiches in one conversation

[plush carbon]

But ok

[deft lily]

getting into cal dev ❌
getting into calamity ✅

[frail tapir]

[clear pine]

are u sure like basalt walls arent a thing rlly they got no item

[plush carbon]

This chat gets aggressive a lot huh.....

[fierce hearth]

It's preempting people giving devs shit about things that are literally Not In The Game, which has happened before and will happen forever more

[gloomy grove]

not aggressive enough actually

[frail tapir]

[deft lily]

surprisingly not most of the time

most of the bad rep cal main gets is from #calamity-mod-talk

[tropic jolt]

did you just say... calamity overhaul... 😡
I will kill your entire family now!

[deft lily]

what...
no, dude...

[plush carbon]

Nah being rude back is uncalled for

[deft lily]

??

[plush carbon]

There are better ways to go about i

[clear pine]

if i remember theres like only 20~ unused tiles that i can remember

[deft lily]

how is at what what was said rude??

[clear pine]

like stuff i cant get outta dragonlens

[deft lily]

its a simple request that requires little to no energy

[polar tide]

she wasnt even making that statement towards a specific person she was just firm in her wording

[fierce hearth]

Yeah, assertive, a bit hyperbolically harsh, but not rude

[deft lily]

ig being firm in making a point makes u a dick

syrup ur a meanie

[fierce hearth]

rude would be calling people who post them some sort of meanie words!!! like poopie heads!

which they would be

[clear pine]

fav block added so far but i cant even use it bc it doesnt rlly fit ):

[fierce hearth]

but that's my statement, not caldev's

[plush carbon]

hmm

[clear pine]

im pretty sure ive read like everything there is in the github thats SSO relevant by now

also stohne. why was this added?

isnt it for like jungle?

[vivid hemlock]

because heart made it

[tropic jolt]

[vivid hemlock]

theres like no other reason lmao

[misty wren]

heart made it it was supposed to replace stone in the jungle but then it was only vernal pass or smth it might not even be vernal pass anymore

[tropic jolt]

⬆️⬅️ made out of stohne

[vivid hemlock]

she wanted to add it and the thing where it generated naturally was reverted so it just drops from bolhdohrs now

[clear pine]

i mean like its cool but who was like hmm we need a rock for the jungle

[earnest jewel]

It will clearly be integral for Bigger and Boulder.

[gloomy grove]

its not in vernal pass no, but the dudes in the temple drop it

[clear pine]

i think it should like generate in jungle in deposites and require a evil pick to break

cause like jungle is just good version of evil biomes

[gloomy grove]

sounds like an annoying way to slow down the player bulldozing through the jungle 1 minute into their save

[clear pine]

ye but also basalt from the gully requires a hm pick

only block out of the ones i checked that req a certain pick power

[plush carbon]

Stohne literally like
Makes no sense

[clear pine]

i think it kinda does

its like a raw version of lizard brick

my fav ambient block has gotta be these shores flowers they so peak

tho theres like nothing that goes with them sad ):

purple and green...

but ye theres only like 4.5 unavailable tiles

dont question the 0.5

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-silly-tongue-horse-tongue-horse-silly-gif-11018268193256850941

horsey

[clear pine]

god i love the gully lighting so much

so peak

also i swear the waters like irredecent or however u say it

[vivid hemlock]

iridescent?

[sterile moss]

Iridescent?

[vivid hemlock]

wtf

[sterile moss]

I’m getting déjà vu here

[clear pine]

the lava here is more transparent than usual right?

[vivid hemlock]

maybe i dont remember how transparent normal lava is

[clear pine]

no its just the crags lava is unless they changed it to be transparent

since they are they same textures

tho dw gully does inflict seering

[misty wren]

very slightly

[clear pine]

i guess its so u can see barely whatever is swimming in their

there

[misty wren]

its got a custom shader for it that i think functions like water code which is probably why its transparent

[clear pine]

cool ass plant

[vivid hemlock]

wtf...

thats not supposed to be there...

[clear pine]

ye idk why this is even a thing

looks like a crimson infected life fruit

[vivid hemlock]

its a blood orange i think

excuse me

sanguine tangerine

[misty wren]

yes

[summer shore]

flood lozenge

[arctic cliff]

[misty wren]

ancient sprite that i thought was scrapped years ago

[vivid hemlock]

the floral paradise...

[clear pine]

theres like 5 mentions of it i dont think its coming

[steel pike]

Hi 😊there a gorse ❤️🐴

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-meme-goofy-goofy-ahh-brainrot-gif-5508898588807313449

[frail tapir]

[obtuse hawk]

kind of annoyed terraprisma is set to only be dropped when defeating daytime eol again

[fathom girder]

vanilla mechanics suck yes we know

well

I know

[clear pine]

surely theres better weapons anyway

rather calamitous balancing

[obtuse hawk]

sand sharknado is pretty okay I think

[fathom girder]

Though I think the thought process behind that was that cal devs are kinda annoyed at all the vanilla changes that cal does

so they're like

"nah fuck that" and reverted some stuff back to vanilla standards

[obtuse hawk]

my only point (which i dont really care of the fact it can be easily be given an alternative or whatever) is that not everyone is a nohitter

[clear pine]

dont get why they reverted terraprisma bc like calamity weapons are good enough to just make it useless

[sly sandal]

Wait r u like a dev?

[clear pine]

nope its magic dragonlens

[sly sandal]

Also where r u getting all these blocks from💀

[clear pine]

everything u see is just dragonlens

[polar tide]

i sneezed

[fathom girder]

and not everyone goes for terraprisma

the design logic of "everyone should be able to get everything" is unfortunately a flawed one

skill expression is an important thing in games and this has been a thing since super fucken mario

[sly sandal]

Wait they added sunken sea blocks???

[obtuse hawk]

super mario calamity

[clear pine]

yk ill put em all in a pile

all the ones i can find

[sly sandal]

Meaning there’s possibly more than what u already found???

[polar tide]

le sigh

[fathom girder]

uhhh no we know all of the available ones

available through shimmering

[clear pine]

theres just walls

cant spawn in walls

[sly sandal]

o

[clear pine]

everything else tho fair game

theres also like 100+ ambient coral blocks

ill put a few cool ones

like the ship

[deft lily]

no but i am

yharim will release tomorrow

[sterile moss]

Yharim update tomorrow

[clear pine]

peak ambient object

[pseudo pine]

can someone tell me exactly what mage weapons were reworked this update

[earnest jewel]

Check changelogs on the wiki.

Because it would take up a lot of space to write it here.

[pseudo pine]

fair

it was nightmarish to read all of the wiki though

[clear pine]

this should just be pinned tbh

or something idk

[pseudo pine]

also i found the page with all the reworks burried in the pins

[fathom girder]

explore accessories too

mana polarizer got a buff

chaos stone is rather good as well

[clear pine]

dont know if anyone said anything abt this but theres abyss coral

generates aswell

[vivid hemlock]

evil square of dread

[clear pine]

some cool cactus for like pre-sunken area. tho u gotta hate em bc theyre also rolling cacti

[fathom girder]

nah the rolling cacti is peak

[clear pine]

yk i wanna know why theres so much driftwood in the sunken sea

where are these trees coming from

[thorny fjord]

the real reason is that we wanted it to be available before SSO

I don't believe it is planned to be a permanent thing

[clear pine]

ye im pretty sure its meant to be obtained from driftwood wreckages

tho still why is there so many ships

dont they live underwater

[thorny fjord]

it did used to be a sea

[clear pine]

but it was always underground

[clear pine]

btw theres like one block i can think of for polyp forest not on there

its grass but underwater. crazy

[vivid hemlock]

oh god this one...

i pray for this one's downfall

[clear pine]

its evil

red

[vivid hemlock]

what if vernal soil and grass was red and sandy

[clear pine]

i like how u can tell its calamity with certain things

they get progressively thicker

next grass we get will have a 2 tile overhang

[vivid hemlock]

i almost forgot the crags had purple grass...

[clear pine]

i dont think i actually ever visted crags in my last playthru

i didnt do the elemental so i just never went there i forgot that purple grass existed aswell

[vivid hemlock]

its kinda dotted around from what i remember

[young notch]

I stand corrected about pbg

The Vernal Pass is a much better arena for her than I thought and I very much overdid it on my first playthrough

[clear pine]

just noticed something

yk the timeless shore background

it is in the game just overlapped by something else

im guessing it goes for gully aswell

[dull heart]

hi

[rough ruin]

👋

[clear pine]

the reason its happening btw is im pretty sure the waterlogged slopes are messing with background walls or something

yep thats defo timeless background

[lapis oak]

bye

[dull heart]

wow rude

[steel pike]

and stolen

that’s my thing

I’m the one who says bye to people when they say hi

[clear pine]

lol i got the timeless shore background to show up in normal gameplay

its a little big

and very annoying to make the thing that lets u see

[fathom girder]

tf

it's actually in the game?

that's crazy

[clear pine]

well ye ofc it is

now ima go do gully

[arctic cliff]

well

[clear pine]

nvm seems like i gotta be at certain depth

[arctic cliff]

that is a cool background, even if it seems rough

[clear pine]

its just a little big

[arctic cliff]

how are you making this stuff anyhow jeff

[clear pine]

its pretty stupid

i just waterlogged some runestone

[fathom girder]

you can shimmer the SSO blocks

[clear pine]

and messed with lighting

[fathom girder]

or you can just spawn em in with cheatsheet

[clear pine]

id recommend using dragonlens tho

it lets u view 99% of SSO content

[fathom girder]

I assume that's how you're placing them?

[clear pine]

1% is walls

[fathom girder]

oh that helps

[clear pine]

im not like some secret dev or something just looked thru tile spawner

[fathom girder]

Jeff Bezos new rogue dev

[clear pine]

cant get the glitch to work on gully ): whatever the background is like a reg underground background

[fathom girder]

outta the way doze you've got competition

[clear pine]

heres a better img of the shores

but the entire background kinda looks like the underworld bg but with those blue flowers in the rocks

i now know why i cant get the gully background to spawn. it just doesnt have any code

just a png

best part abt this is it only works with calamity water bc of how transparent their water is

ignore the stiches its hard to get em out

but ye timeless shore bg in normal gameplay

[fathom girder]

very fancy]

[clear pine]

this is what it looks like with fullbright lol

[severe coral]

what

[late eagle]

If we lost a cool spoiler because of you we shall throw u into a pit of pitch

[clear pine]

btw i checked there are only like 2 backgrounds

[fathom girder]

the fact there's even one in main is still amusing to me

[clear pine]

seems like timeless shore was like the only one nearing completion

rest of them barely got anything

yk im suprised ppl dont know what dragonlens is

[still cobalt]

Ik what dragonlens is i just dont acc know the dif between it and cheat sheet

[fathom girder]

they're very similar

[clear pine]

i tried block swapping and pretty much every block and only basalt changes bg and it just goes to evil red lighting sea

[fathom girder]

cheatsheet has this one bug that I fucking hate that idk if dragonlens has

but cheatsheet likes to do this thing where it just disables scrolling

entirely

across the entire damned game

until you restart terraria

[clear pine]

well never had that happen

[dull heart]

wow i made a circle

[fathom girder]

and I don't know why

[fathom girder]

Taking inspiration from the fabsol shit-circle arena, are we

[dull heart]

huh

i have never seen that

[fathom girder]

It's VERY rare and idk how to replicate it

sometimes I just

can't scroll but I know it's from cheatsheet

[clear pine]

tho i do softlock myself outta cetain functions sometimes bc i throw the ui off screen

[still bluff]

impossible

[clear pine]

but thats my fault

[still cobalt]

Never had that happen holy

[fathom girder]

because I'll fiddle with cheatsheet a little and suddenly I can't scroll

BUT ONLY SOMETIMES

[hard copper]

I think that happens when you dont unselect the paste tool

[fathom girder]

and then if I fiddle with it more sometimes I can scroll again

[still cobalt]

Circles cant be made in block game pal

[dull heart]

L

[fathom girder]

WRONG because this happens after messing with the item spawner as well

[dull heart]

i did it anyway

[still cobalt]

Holy hacker

[dull heart]

what if lemon

[hard copper]

get mad

[clear pine]

theres only like 4.5 blocks if i remember i cant get with dragonlens

they are different coloured sea prisms

[hard copper]

i dont want your damn lemons, what am i supposed to do with these

[still cobalt]

Wth is .5

[fathom girder]

throw them at a wall

[clear pine]

a variant of superheated obsidian

just hotter than reg superheated

[still cobalt]

Oh

[fathom girder]

that's called lava

[clear pine]

its in that spritesheet thing

its like green

nvm its red / green

[polar tide]

im proud of u

[clear pine]

this is the only biome that can spawn stuff. guess what it spawns

[placid ocean]

uhhh..... it spawns dens?

[lyric trellis]

Spawns deus

[pulsar cobalt]

spawns prismbacks obviously

[fathom girder]

I'm with the spawns deus vote

[clear pine]

my fav biome

[arctic cliff]

the fucking what

[clear pine]

wrath of gods

[fathom girder]

must be where DoG comes from

oh

[arctic cliff]

AH

that makes sense

[fathom girder]

yeah that's where avatar likes to send dissenters

[tropic jolt]

the perfect world

[clear pine]

im confused tho, why implemement the timeless shore background if ur just gonna put sunken background over it anyway

[fathom girder]

who knows!

the entire damned thing is unfinished

[clear pine]

wait

i never tried using reg sunken blocks

i wonder if i can get the other one to appear

YES I DID IT

[fathom girder]

prolly could

oh wuzzit

[clear pine]

this one looks like 100x better

[fathom girder]

oh hey yeah

[clear pine]

this was hidden behind the ugly sunken sea wall

[fathom girder]

this one's used for the patreon art

[clear pine]

ye ik... ive already seen the timeless before this anyway

but like now i can see the full img!!!1

[still cobalt]

Wdym by hidden by sunken sea wall

[clear pine]

these walls exist in normal calamity but the reg sunken sea background blocks ur view of them

[still cobalt]

Oh

[clear pine]

but because of calamities glitchy water spriting i can see thru it

game lowkey tweaking tho

map thinks im in underworld

nvm its just the basalt

[frozen horizon]

Is Uelibloom getting entirely replaced by Divine Geodes?

[clear pine]

well its getting replaced by ████

[severe coral]

unconfirmed

[clear pine]

its just getting replaced for something idk

prob something more like providence related

not perennial v2

[severe coral]

The theme of tree bark is being transferred over to Perennial

[fathom girder]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh last I heard yes it's gonna be trees or some nonsense

instead of chlorophyte 2

chlorophyte three

actually

cuz reaver is chlorophyte 2

[clear pine]

jade tree stuff

[severe coral]

Vernal pass is getting buffed

To include more Perennial related things

[fathom girder]

vernal pass is gonna be a whole sub biome?

that'll be cool

[severe coral]

yis

[clear pine]

basically living jewel is jade and bark is perennial

if they even are working on a biome its prob floral paradise

if i remember it was gonna spawn outta the jungle but id imagine that has changed

now replacing vernal pass

[severe coral]

tldr Calamity ideas guy™ is always ideas guying™

big giant gdoc

of big giant hype

[clear pine]

tho i doubt we will get floral paradise any time soon since its got like 5 things and theyre all water related

[severe coral]

It used to be big gianter and big giant hyper but someone carpet bombed like 80% of it

I should

Unrust my pixel art skills

"If SSO doesn't come out by Sunday I'll have to get personally involved"

[clear pine]

ill do like world gen and u can do like spriting lol

looking at the doc thing makes me realise how much unfinished stuff there is

[severe coral]

Nah I got worldgen too

[clear pine]

that actually looks pretty cool

i like harsh terrain

[severe coral]

I was super proud of it and it's way more developed

[clear pine]

looks very basalt gully

[severe coral]

It was when I got like a week's worth of inspiration to make crag worldgen

[clear pine]

crags been pretty much forgotten we got like the city outskirts and that was it

[severe coral]

They're planning on making it epic because it *is * pretty important for the main story

[clear pine]

the world gen u made reminds me of that scrapped art of an area between abyss and crags

[severe coral]

big city with multiple areas locked behind bosses, disabled flight for more immersive exploration, etc

[clear pine]

sounds like that lab place in the mod of redemption

[severe coral]

big ravager cathedral out front that you only use post-prov

[clear pine]

i love stuff that generates in pre-hm but is only like normally explorable later on

thats why gully is the best since u can only mine the blocks there in hm

[tropic jolt]

wow this thing sounds like its going to eat up half the world 😭

[severe coral]

Wtf else is there to do in hell

[clear pine]

true..

[tropic jolt]

wof

[severe coral]

WoF only takes like an eighth of the range to fight

[gloomy grove]

imo you would have better control on guiding the player through the city if you put it in a subworld

[severe coral]

Even for inexperienced players

[arctic cliff]

okay, friendly reminder that whatever 2.2 is going to be, i am suspecting that the devs at least have a plan for what it is

[clear pine]

ye wof does not need a world arena

[tropic jolt]

what if im doing the I hate myself challenge and fighting wof with a lawnmower

[arctic cliff]

the only thing we know is that its not SSO and apparently

of all people

[clear pine]

they do they working on it

[severe coral]

Then curl up into a ball and cry

[arctic cliff]

stip has a big role in that

[clear pine]

we just yapping

[orchid finch]

what's that

[severe coral]

boredom

[orchid finch]

no

[arctic cliff]

did i ever tell you that 2.2 is not sso?

[orchid finch]

what is this generating

[severe coral]

ash hellstone

[orchid finch]

ah

[tropic jolt]

SSO cancelled...

[severe coral]

I used wtv tiles and then just changed the value

[tropic jolt]

im starting to think SSO might become a ship of theseus type thing

[severe coral]

All quiet on the SSO front

Nothing ever overhauls

[orchid finch]

Might be, who knows

[severe coral]

Well well well would you look at the time

[clear pine]

id imagine u could fit a large section of the crags city in there since the section after the bridge isnt gonna stay when thats added

[arctic cliff]

you could also just rework the underworld's generation as a whole as well

and make it more interesting

[clear pine]

they could like double the biomes length and still have space

[arctic cliff]

AS WELL AS

better for WoF arenabuilding

[tropic jolt]

another 3000 characters to the vanilla changes page!

[clear pine]

ye it could get more vertical space for tall crag buildings

[misty wren]

theres like nothing else in hell going on i dont think it would be an insane issue for crags to get extended further

[fierce hearth]

Changing worldgen on a more fundamental level would be interesting but would also go against current design goals of making the mod more crossmod friendly

[arctic cliff]

in fact i know there was plans for updating underworld generation

[clear pine]

ye double its size and still plently of room

[arctic cliff]

because of this teaser

[fierce hearth]

So we'll probably stick with just additions rather than uprooting vanilla worldgen

[tropic jolt]

hmm wasnt that a fabsol thing though

[clear pine]

i mean SOME most of it bad but some of remnants world gen is pretty neat

[arctic cliff]

i dont think it was just fabsol

[misty wren]

it was when fabsol was around but i dont think he was the one making it

[fierce hearth]

That said, there are very few mods that rely on worldgen the way Calamity does, so maybe it's still on the table

Only time (and Devs) will tell

[clear pine]

how many of you even pair calamity with other mods anyway

[pulsar cobalt]

it was two things at once

[arctic cliff]

also, im pretty sure most of the underworld stuff that gets generated in mods is often additional stuff rather than world generation being overhauled

[tropic jolt]

I enable ALL the mods

[fierce hearth]

It's evidently extremely popular based on the people who stumble in here asking why random bullshit is broken and it's a mod incompatibility issue 99% of the time

[pulsar cobalt]

fabsol wanted to have different hell generation
stip saw this as opporrunity to add lore relevant structures

[misty wren]

stip was making extra structures for hell at the very least

[pulsar cobalt]

the gen was killed tho since it was kinda mid

[clear pine]

i wish calamity would stop acting like its a small mod its pretty much a dlc now

[misty wren]

checks out

[misty wren]

it doesnt

and also it isnt

[arctic cliff]

i mean, in that case, fair

[fierce hearth]

But playing with Fargos or Thorium is very common, though I haven't heard much about Thorium in years. Never paid attention to it myself.

[clear pine]

is thorium dead?

[misty wren]

nah

its still going

[arctic cliff]

still, i think i would like if the underworld generation was changed

it could also be useful if you treat part of the underworld as the outskirts of azafure

[clear pine]

id like if they changed jungle gen a little aswell

[pulsar cobalt]

the generation was basically

so like

[arctic cliff]

so you could still add more room for the brimstone crags layers

[misty wren]

was it old crags gen but extended across the entirety of hell

that would be funny if the brick returned

[fierce hearth]

The brick?

[pulsar cobalt]

you know how in dont dig up u have a large platform in the middle of hell

[clear pine]

i mean like the standards are low bc underworld gen is bad anyway

[arctic cliff]

it used to be just brimstone slag

[misty wren]

yeah old crags gen had the whole thing as just a brick of brimstone slag

[pulsar cobalt]

yea imagine that basically

[arctic cliff]

also, thats not old crags for me

[fierce hearth]

Jesus christ

[arctic cliff]

i know back then the brimstone crags were ACTUALLY crags

[misty wren]

with almost exactly copypasted sky island houses just also made of slag

[arctic cliff]

and it looked really weird

[pulsar cobalt]

remember calamity biome

where it was eye

[arctic cliff]

this isnt that OG calamity biome, this is the one doobie is talking about

[misty wren]

yeah it was just a brick of brimstone slag

[arctic cliff]

it got changed because the spires were very intrusive for fighting Brimmy and ALSO took a long time to generate for soem reason

anyhow i still vastly prefer current crags over its predescessor

[misty wren]

as horrible as that gen was i kinda miss it sometimes

[lyric trellis]

Old Calamity was so inspiring, when it needed a build it just did the sky island houses again (in crags and abyss)

[arctic cliff]

its repetitive once you get past that bridge but yeah its cool

[clear pine]

yk what would be cool to do when all this unfinished fish are attended? tweaking ice biome gen i wanna see some like cryonic stuff like this

also like jungle would be nice

[pulsar cobalt]

im surprised they didnt have sunken sea houses too

[clear pine]

the one place it makes sense to have houses they didnt

sounds right

[arctic cliff]

fuck i forgot how awesome this looks

[fierce hearth]

Oh yeah I was looking at the crag page on the wiki and saw chests randomly replacing dark lances with silver bullets which was funny

[arctic cliff]

i wonder how WOTG2 is going to change the lore behind this mansion without Permafrost

[fierce hearth]

But it reminded me of how the enchanted knife staff is considered standard gold chest loot rather than part of the high quality item pool which causes it to spawn in locked dungeon chests

Which is amusing to me if really unimportant

[lyric trellis]

This is the real reason why the sunken sea needs an overhaul

[clear pine]

just have it be like solyns old house or something or just introduce a new npc

[tropic jolt]

maybe itll be either clothier or wizards house

[clear pine]

damn i forgot how amazing the burrows background is

[fierce hearth]

God NPC talk just reminded me of when it was joked that GFB replaces the Distortion with the Amidias Dimension and I said GFB should tierswap Amidias and Braelor

One of the greatest warriors of history, stuck in a big clam

[clear pine]

i mean like have u fought it in infernum hardest boss of all

[arctic cliff]

braelor telepathically speaking to the player to free him from clamitas:

[fierce hearth]

KRIHGGJEKG

[tropic jolt]

PLEASE

[fierce hearth]

Wait I thought Braelor was imprisoned in the Distortion by DoG

Am I mixing up characters again

[dusk bronze]

he's not imprisoned probably

[fierce hearth]

I know some guys got trapped there

[dusk bronze]

just very stuck

[fierce hearth]

Evidently DoG could let him out

It's just that there's no good reason to

At least for him or for Yharim

[misty wren]

yeah not imprisonment he just cant leave

[dusk bronze]

stranded is a better term

[fierce hearth]

Yea

Ok I was close at least

[vocal kelp]

It's being replaced with an entirely different thing

[polar tide]

dog trapped statis and braelor in gay baby jail (the distortion) but statis was able to escape by cutting a deal with signus

[dry whale]

yeah basically that

[dull heart]

hi

[dry whale]

hai

[dull heart]

i may have accidentally made a weapon that one shotted dog phase 1

[fathom girder]

it's just a lemon isn't it

[rough ruin]

👀

[hollow harness]

happens I guess

[rough ruin]

That's crazy

[lyric trellis]

Welcome back Deepsea Dumbbell

[dull heart]

no but close

[rough ruin]

I assume that thing used to be broken op🤔

[rough ruin]

Must be a lime then

[dull heart]

not close in that way

[dull heart]

it felt more like wave pounder tbh

[fathom girder]

why is lemon nade so op

what'd you do

[dull heart]

its not

[misty wren]

yeah

[fathom girder]

what'd you DO

[dull heart]

something

[misty wren]

5 flex and stealth strike would chunk dog by like 10-20% a hit

[dull heart]

lemon 'nade might be OP i haven't balanced it yet

but like how OP can 10 dmg be

[lyric trellis]

Quite

[rough ruin]

Well that is alot of damage

[dry whale]

welcome back corinth prime

[still bluff]

i miss the truly absurd broken things cal needs more of them existing for literal years at a time again

bring back OSG

[lyric trellis]

Summoner is right there

[dull heart]

less similar than pounder

[still bluff]

true

[dull heart]

bobbit hook:

[rough ruin]

Tiny bit less broken

But still very strong

[misty wren]

yes

it was

i miss it every time i fight dog

[dull heart]

hey it's viable again

anyway part of it was

i accidnetally set stealth to 1000 instead of 10

[misty wren]

yeah that would do it

[rough ruin]

Ah🤣

[fathom girder]

rogue's smallest buff

[dull heart]

once i fixed that and quartered the damage

it still got a 3 minute dog

[lean relic]

decent one

[dull heart]

and a 4:30 old duke

so like

[lean relic]

huh

[dull heart]

i had to rebalance it again

[rough ruin]

We love op weapons🙏

[dull heart]

true i love op items true

[lyric trellis]

Balancing the Readdition of acidic rain barrel

[frail owl]

meow

[misty wren]

doze you should megabuff deep sea dumbbell again

[dull heart]

no

[misty wren]

man........................................................

[dull heart]

i buffed it to be good

so its good

[misty wren]

oh well it was worth a shot

[dull heart]

new rogue dog meta gonna be [redacted]

[rough ruin]

Nothing more op than cheese though 🧀

We love cheese

[stone fiber]

Actually, we should remove the blast barrel as well and add a proper weapon instead

[dull heart]

like

some kind of

lemon 'nade

[stone fiber]

Yesss

[lean relic]

lemonade but it isnt ade

[lyric trellis]

Rogue class Carnage will come…

[stone fiber]

A combustible lemon

[dull heart]

i should rework

a lot of items

[rough ruin]

Especially when it produces some quirky side effects

[lyric trellis]

I agree

We need more top 1s

[dull heart]

true

i should make void concentration staff top 1

[stone fiber]

[dull heart]

or duststorm in a bottle
or evil smasher
or paper airplane

[lyric trellis]

Duststorm top 1 for the 500th time

[rough ruin]

A la hyperspeed projectiles

[dull heart]

i should make duststorm just

spawn infinite dusts

[lyric trellis]

All over the screen

[dull heart]

ive suddenly had like

so many rework ideas

all at once

[lyric trellis]

Cook

[lean relic]

note it 🫵

[stone fiber]

Please make an astral themed duststorm upgrade

(That goes between it and the singularity)

[lean relic]

Grand dad in gfb is so funny dang

[dull heart]

no

[lean relic]

If you craft, a "GRANDDAD!!!" sound will play

[dull heart]

(there's nowhere that i'd fit well and also meh)

i don't think another item in the line would fit well

[lyric trellis]

Rogue still desperate for a singular moon weapon and more than 2 post-cultist weapons

(Not asking for that specifically just remembering how rogue is desperate)

[dull heart]

daybreak rogue versionhwen

[lean relic]

The goobers
And the environment

[proper tundra]

I played minecraft so long i forgot mossy stone doesnt exist in terraria

[stone fiber]

Exactly
Astral ore is post cultist
A duststorm upgrade would be perfect
(Bonus points if you call it starstorm in a bottle)

[dull heart]

no

[fierce hearth]

I had a thought of like "we should get a melee weapon that's a yoink combo" but then I remember Galileo Gladius

I was thinking about tentacle from Dead Cells

rogue ML drop is cracked grav globe "broken so just chuck it and see what happens"

[proper tundra]

Oops spawned a black hole

[fathom girder]

no no

gravity globe turns into a material that can be crafted into that when you're near a stone block

[tribal isle]

sso before undertale 2

[stone fiber]

Them

[stone fiber]

Deltarune chapter 6 before sso

[frail owl]

hi there mitosis prime

[frozen horizon]

Is he invisible?

[lusty acorn]

are there any talks of future updates that helps flesh out true melee as a whole? right now its reallyy good imo althought there are some bosses that felt impossible to true melee like exo mechs.

[dusk bronze]

sprite not public

[dusk bronze]

possibly outdated plans are to remove true melee as its own damage type and introduce a modifier called heroic damage for weapons that struggle on bosses throughout all classes

[tribal isle]

I’d bet my life that all 7 chapters would drop before sso

[high scaffold]

The completely hidden secret 8th chapter

[rare tinsel]

Why has nobody told me that a pre-mech armor set got -20% damage in Brainstorm

It got completely assassinated he's dead 🥺

[grave geyser]

wouldnt be the first time a pre mech armor got taken out back

(god the crystal assassin nerfs were so dumb)

[rare tinsel]

what happened to crystal assassin

[grave geyser]

15 damage and crit -> 5 each.

[rare tinsel]

what the fuck

did this happen in brainstorm

[grave geyser]

no

I said old

[rare tinsel]

i'm looking on the wiki

[grave geyser]

this was like, before even harbour maybe

[rare tinsel]

Ah

[grave geyser]

the reversion that is, I wouldnt be surprised if the innitial nerf was like, pre wulfrum overhaul

[lyric trellis]

The 1.4 port reactionary nerfs were wild

[rare tinsel]

I hope the same thing doesn't happen in 1.4.5

[stuck kite]

funny

[rare tinsel]

But on the other hand it'd be really, really funny for the stardust whip to get completely gutted frame one

[grave geyser]

slightly

[rare tinsel]

dead on arrival

[soft plover]

Hilarious

[rare tinsel]

I'm terrified to know what a major nerf would look like

[soft plover]

Negative damage

[lyric trellis]

Either every whip is nuked or nothing is

I can't wait for the summoner rebalance to still not happen because nobody can decide on whip contribution numbers in 2027

[tidal lodge]

whips will become fucking silly strings

Tis a shame I just wanna whip it out

[pseudo vector]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-shades-sunglasses-eyeglasses-cant-see-gif-17413466

[tired adder]

just make whippery an expected part of build

[still bluff]

it's going to be 67% minions

[grave geyser]

I think you mean whips

[still bluff]

i would never give snapthorn that much credit

[grave geyser]

true...

sentries then

so no change

[lyric trellis]

You’re done for

[tired adder]

like the issue seems like that cal clings onto 1.3 playstyle of just letting minions do the job

[lyric trellis]

Well that’s the plan, but people can’t decide on how much contrib% whips should have in a balance build

[tired adder]

and when aggressive whipping and summon tag comes onto play, it becomes broken

(especially when half of whips is multiplicative...)

[grave geyser]

they

arnt

at all

[rare tinsel]

i think multiplicitive tag damage died in brainstorm

[grave geyser]

even the one thats multi in vanilla is just autocrit now

[tired adder]

it still sorta exists as crit

...did crit and innate mult coexist before brainstorm?

[rare tinsel]

yeah, you're right

[grave geyser]

yes

[rare tinsel]

yes

it was stupid

[tired adder]

yeah, I know

[grave geyser]

I mean
theres like 3 whips total with crit tag is the thing

meanwhile every whip had multi pre 2.1

[tidal lodge]

with a whip, cmon man...

[tired adder]

durendial has crit now

[grave geyser]

thats one of the 3

[tired adder]

hm

[grave geyser]

also it always did

oh wait durendal

[lyric trellis]

Also hate how this is one of the more reasonable options I’ve heard

[grave geyser]

I thought you said morning star

[tired adder]

also this change is... hilarious

to say the least

[tidal lodge]

incredible

[grave geyser]

less than it gives in vanilla

[tired adder]

sure, but the gimmick of this whip is that tag energy is the tag damage in a way

[fleet vault]

is there a way to keep track of where tmodloader is at for 1.4.5?

[tired adder]

why give it explicit tag damage

[fleet vault]

or a way to contribute to updating calamity*?

[tidal lodge]

By counting days

[grave geyser]

except the dark energy litterally does not do shit unless there are multiple targets

[tired adder]

is that a bad thing?

[grave geyser]

yes because having options that are not morning star and kaleidoscope is good

[tired adder]

I guess the issue is that cal doesn't give you any crowds of enemies to reap with dark energy

[grave geyser]

also it only got ranked that highly on that tier list after it got buffed to have more tag damage

[tired adder]

yes

so what?

shows that the DH only needed stronger gimmick damage

instead of reducing its uniqueness

[grave geyser]

...no?

the second half of that message litterally talks about it enabling blade staff
aka something it could only perform effectively after getting its tag buffed

anyway spawning additional projectiles is not a super unique effect to begin with

[grave geyser]

its gimmick didnt even get buffed!

[tired adder]

but also whip stacking was removed, so it evens out

[tired adder]

+50% to it is not a buff?

[grave geyser]

that is

the flat tag

aka the thing you were litterally just complaining about

[tired adder]

if cal actually buffed dark energy, the changelog doesn't make it clear at all

[high scaffold]

Astral bulwark when?

[grave geyser]

@doze the people have spoken

[tired adder]

I am saying, that whip, which tag damage is solely done through tag effect, shouldn't be buffed by giving it plain tag damage, because that diminishes the weapon's identity

frankly, this is very pedantic stance

but the caldevs are saying that they are moving on from stepping on vanilla's toes so much

[grave geyser]

actually this stance is what I would refer to as "wiki was being confusing for no reason" stance

[polar tide]

calmmity mod

[tidal lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-funny-reaction-meme-stan-twt-horse-gif-5445268815333743861

[polar tide]

loser

[tidal lodge]

Fuck my chud life

Just uh. Click on it. Yeah.

[tired adder]

actually, looking at vanilla's source code...

and cal's source code

the wiki says that DH's tag is internally whip's tag damage

that doesn't trigger, when minions hit it

if this code is correct, calamity's buff... doesn't exist, isn't it???

or that dark energy does no damage

[grave geyser]

from what I can tell

in vanilla dark energy does apply to single targets in the form of tag damage

my guess is that cal removed that at some point so this in turn would just be a reversion

so in practice

current calamity dark harvest is just 1.4.4 vanilla dh

[tired adder]

how did it even work in mult whip era

[grave geyser]

it just didnt have a tag

at all

honestly that might have been why it applying to single targets was removed

death to flat damage or whatever so it was litterally just the chaining energy

[tired adder]

calamity mod funny moments

[grave geyser]

part 347

[tidal lodge]

Epic funny

[grave geyser]

so if this is pre buff dark harvest what in the hell is 1.4.5 harvest going to be pulling

[cobalt wharf]

it’s just gonna be a boss resist on the dark energy projectile

lol

[tired adder]

so calamity has crowds of enemies to shred

it's just

ravager

[grave geyser]

true?

its fine its rav no one cares

[lyric trellis]

Ravager will be retiered by the time 1.4.5 comes actually

[grave geyser]

🙏

we can only hope

[lyric trellis]

And then we'll just continue ignoring deus

[tired adder]

the only way deus will become great again if he inherits hitbox from jared

[tidal lodge]

is there any boss not being overhauled

[tired adder]

PBG?

[tidal lodge]

it deserves one i dont like it

[shadow sun]

-# peanut bread grilled?

[tired adder]

peanutbuttergamer, actually

[shadow sun]

[tidal lodge]

Holy shmoly

[hollow edge]

Yo is the new arc flash ring good for summoners? It's essentially a crit. And considering summoners do swarms of minions, a 5% chance to do 3x damagte and another potential to crit is like- achieving a black flash

[high scaffold]

It is a 1.15 damage modifier on top of everything basicaly

Its basicaly better than all other just damage boosters you had before

[pastel patio]

Isn't 5% chance to do 3x damage only a 1.10 boost tho?

[fierce hearth]

5% chance to do an additional attack that does 3x the damage

[pastel patio]

Oh alright mb

[distant raft]

ngl im surprised scom didnt get nerfed

[pale minnow]

that sounds so yummy

is peanut bread a real thing

peanut BUTTER bread is

[bold bloom]

does reaver shark not mine hellstone anymore

[distant raft]

correct, fabsol's buff to it was reverted

however, hellstone is still obtainable preboss so nothing was lost

you've just gotta actually try now

[high scaffold]

Wait untill they change the lab seekers craft and make rockscalibur not decraftable

Replace the hellstone bars in the lab with just hellstone

[distant raft]

no rox is intentionally left in, there was a vote on it

[lean relic]

made a small private addon (right now) that replaces the Sunken Sea Underground Background to blank one but it looks like base cal currently has some little issues to draw that burrows background, it doesn't appear in certain places and i dont have that knowledge to fix that lol

[viscid bay]

oh dude

that look so cool

[late eagle]

I'm sad that we won't ever see this little fella in the mod😢

[gloomy grove]

was it scrapped?

[vivid hemlock]

wdym

[lean relic]

what

[late eagle]

He was scrapped right...?

[lean relic]

uh no?

[late eagle]

Uh?

Well that's weird

I think I remember the blue moth person(forgot their name) saying It won't be used anymore

Oh forget it, my mind was just playing tricks on me lol

[frail owl]

meowtactic

[vivid hemlock]

well the guy already got remade

[frail owl]

[frail owl]

is it just me or does this rascal resemble battle gear from mgsv?

[late eagle]

Idk I never played the game

[frail owl]

[high scaffold]

Yo

So SSO

[peak moat]

Does anyone know the approximate release time of the mod port for version 1.4.5 in tmodloader?

[dark raven]

A long way off.

[desert garnet]

tmod needs to port to 1.4.5 which will take many months

september?

[pseudo vector]

1.4.5 tmod itself isn’t expected until autumn 2026, calamity 1.4.5 likely won’t be ready until winter 2026 though

[high scaffold]

But there is a very likely update(s) before 1.4.5

[polar tide]

yuore a fisfgh

[hushed hazel]

🐟
🫴

[fierce nebula]

🫧 🐠

[halcyon seal]

oh jeebs! that guy is drownging!

[fierce nebula]

I love swimming around and blowing bubbles

[gleaming light]

blub

[hushed hazel]

fear not. he uses his gills to breathe underwater

[fierce nebula]

🦐
🔥

[peak moat]

thanks

[fierce nebula]

🍤

[frail owl]

krilled

[halcyon seal]

😃

[pseudo vector]

but that's just an estimate and highly subject to change

[late eagle]

Calamity 1.4.5 in 2030 trust

[silk coral]

if yharim releases in 2029 everyone in this server owes me 1 cent!1!1!1!1

[azure oak]

i like nidhogg

[silk coral]

yes

[gleaming light]

nidhogg mentioned

[summer shore]

more like

cnidhogg

[main estuary]

niddrion

[gleaming light]

nematodehogg

[solemn crest]

YOU CAN CATCH THE ROOMBAS???

[high scaffold]

Yes you can

And then you can free them and give them different solutions

[dry whale]

yharim update january first 2030 at 00:01

sorry bud

[lapis oak]

Sacrifice you when the time come

🐦

[dry whale]

what!

I can not be sacrificed!

that would be mean :c

[next cradle]

is infernum dog and death mode dog comparable after the update? I feel like they are close in terms of difficulty, infernum is superior but its close

[hasty tangle]

they definitely feel pretty similar

although death dog is obviously tuned down

malice dog feels very infernum-like though

[radiant flower]

death dog took me around 40 infernum took me about 200 so yeah imo infernum harder

but unironically death dog has better presentation

[opal pebble]

infernum is 100% harder

but they're completely different fights so probably not the best to compare the two

[next cradle]

i mean the laser phase is comparable imo

overally

the dog ai is harder in infernum

obviously

but i struggle similiarly in both laser phases

[opal pebble]

i think death lasers are like

much easier to dodge

compared to infernum

[hasty tangle]

imo its pretty hard to dodge the massive purple laser in phase 2 death

the telegraphs are really short, and that laser forces you to move quite a bit

[opal pebble]

i found it pretty easy after a couple attempts

[radiant flower]

really

death lasers are harder for me

maybe its because i have 200+ attempts on infernum dog but u can cheese it with brimrose

or just broom

[next cradle]

yeah I also find death lasers harder

[opal pebble]

the only hard part id say death ai has was the last phase

[next cradle]

i mean i am happy they improved the ai in brainstorm update

the previous dog was easy tbh

ram dash spam

[opal pebble]

it got made into a way better fight for sure

[pseudo vector]

might just be where i've fought death dog so much but the fight is not too bad once you learn it

the pace at which dog moves is lowkey scary tho ngl lol

[opal pebble]

yeah id say its pretty easy

after a couple attempts

it took me like 20

[pseudo vector]

i can beat death dog just about every attempt nowadays

[lapis oak]

Final Phase lasers are much easier than Phase 2 lasers

Well, to not get hit at least

[opal pebble]

i think both are easy to dodge

the last part where it dashes on u 5 times is harder to dodge

[lapis oak]

Because if we're talking about playing normally then I can just tank it

That's easy just dash

[next cradle]

lowkey i might've missed out on using a chair in the lasers

[pseudo vector]

i use brimrose to dodge the laser walls

[next cradle]

would that thing work

[opal pebble]

i found it harder to dodge atleast

[opal pebble]

wdym

[pseudo vector]

and dash to dodge the quintuple dash

[next cradle]

like brimstone chair thingy

[pseudo vector]

brimrose

[next cradle]

to let u stablizie mis air

mid air*

[opal pebble]

i didnt know that was a mount

i only use the slime mount so

its the best one

[pseudo vector]

brimrose is the best for dog imo

its very good for laser walls like i mentioned

[lapis oak]

Oops

[opal pebble]

maybe i never tried it

[lapis oak]

Realized I said wrong in the previous message

[craggy wagon]

i always found myself using Witch's Broom for the vibes (for old DoG/Infernum, at least, i haven't gotten to brainstorm DoG..)

[lapis oak]

Final Phase is easier, not harder

[hasty hawk]

Ufo and similar can work but Brimrose is more reliable

[pseudo vector]

its much more easy to control

[hasty hawk]

Vs other bosses its either Slime mounts or Bean

[opal pebble]

can i get invited to faustcord please.

[dull heart]

HI

[opal pebble]

that tag looks awesome

[hasty hawk]

Vs Scal theres Brimrose I guess and Exo box

[safe cliff]

summoner build, pre-poltergast pls ❤️

[craggy wagon]

(just wish the fargo mount dash didn't activate on double tap but that's a bug report for another day)

[pseudo vector]

hi doze

[dull heart]

virid vanguard

profaned soul artifact, statis curse, star tainted generator

[next cradle]

https://youtu.be/Wto2Znxr_XQ

i found this video

helpfull

with all the class-setups

after the update

[craggy wagon]

i saw that for one frame what the hell

[dull heart]

it's not great

[next cradle]

really? I used it throughout my whole progression after the update

[hasty tangle]

just looked through this and yeah, its pretty bad

not surprising

recommending community on summoner, recommending asgard's on ML

[still cobalt]

Most progression guides are mid at best

[next cradle]

well wiki ain't updated yet

and I am primarily using that

[craggy wagon]

if you want good class setups for Brainstorm before all the wiki/tier lists get updated, go by the giga chart! just use whatever's been reworked

[still cobalt]

I saw one recommeneding heart of elements and unless it was buffed isnt it insanely mid at best

[next cradle]

I mean all accesories are up to the users

[deep bough]

Heart of the Gooners

[next cradle]

if they fit him

[dull heart]

Video guides are fundamentally flawed because they have to rush them out before they can actually test much of the items to release along with the update hype

[hasty tangle]

these are both tell-tale signs that the guidemaker has no idea what theyre talking about

and only made the guide for the sake of views

which is pretty much always the case

[hasty hawk]

“Oh his stealth choices are better this time”
Then Cosmic Kunai in stealth for some fucking reason

[next cradle]

Well, I am currently using this setup for my dog which I am somehow struggling with even though I finished infernum 😭 is that an alright setup?

[hasty hawk]

It can work with Vamp Talisman I guess

[craggy wagon]

i don't have a problem with mura as a person i'm sure he's a fine dude but i have a big problem with his content around calamity updates

[still cobalt]

Community is already a middle of the road accessory so to recommend it on summoner id crazy

[craggy wagon]

what weapon?

[hasty hawk]

Also he forgot Vega spam is also goated especially with Vamp Talisman since Vega can generate stealth strikes (he did list Vamp talisman Pre-DoG at least)

[next cradle]

death's ascension

[dull heart]

This is usable, although I'd recommend Ambrosial Ampoule over community

[hasty tangle]

id go ambrosia over RTN

or community, yeah

[dull heart]

Are you using both left and right click?

[opal pebble]

swap proper wings for boots

[craggy wagon]

consider Absorber over community?

[next cradle]

ambrosia is lowkey goated after the update

used it for most bosses

[opal pebble]

also community is shit.

[next cradle]

yep

[hasty tangle]

it was before the update as well

[dull heart]

Community is not bad at this tier

[hasty tangle]

ambrosia has been a very strong accessory for a very long time

[opal pebble]

soo many better options

[dull heart]

I guess I should specify- use left click only once the rift it spawns despawns, and use right click at all other times

[still cobalt]

I had this w/ omega blue and it worked fine. Since ur using bloodflare 100% use ampoule

[hasty hawk]

Byea best way to know whats good is to mess around with stuff

[next cradle]

Also warding or armored on the accesories

?

[hasty hawk]

and trying it on bosses

[next cradle]

Yeah, I am trying to utilize the rift when it despawns

I just struggle with the lasers way too hard

otherwise the fight is easy

[dull heart]

not really? At this point in progression it's on par with affliction just with a higher dmg and mobility focus but less defensive

[solemn crest]

I see the problem here

Not running omega blue armor

[opal pebble]

midfliction aswell

[next cradle]

It's so mid in my opinion

[dull heart]

Warbanner is often really bad on DoG for the record

[still cobalt]

I think reaper tooth could be replaced with smth

[opal pebble]

nooo

reaper tooth is goated

wth

[next cradle]

i just cannot fathom using

[lapis oak]

Affliction is a great accessory

[next cradle]

omega blue

[deft lily]

uururughgh

[opal pebble]

why not

its really good

[dull heart]

Reaper Tooth is good, it's 20% dmg and 15 AP

[still cobalt]

Tbf it was infernum where he spends most of the fight right next to you

[dull heart]

Especially with Death's Ascension

[solemn crest]

Omega blue picks you up gently, kisses your forehead, tells you everything is gonna be ok, and holds your hand through your hardest times

[still cobalt]

Oh it was buffed then i think it used to be 15