calamity-update-talk

[dull heart]

Like really bad

If you don't use both together the damage is less than half

[tired adder]

they made it synergize?

[dull heart]

yes

[tired adder]

oh okay, so it no longer homes by itself

[dull heart]

Left click spawns a rift that mirrors your scythe shors

[dull heart]

what no

[tired adder]

okay, thought that would be the nerf

[dull heart]

how did you get from "it synergizes" to "no longer homes"

[tired adder]

like how there are arsenal weapon, that home from alternate attack proj

[grave geyser]

in the case of deaths od I'm pretty sure I barely tm'd od last patch
so using it more leads to funny stuff
(fun fact I initially had spiteful candle on and it litterally made 5 seconds of difference)

[dull heart]

lol

[fathom girder]

Woah five whole seconds..

[dull heart]

someone should spiteful candle test corinth

I wonder if its useable with that

[fathom girder]

Probably not

[steel pike]

The predator got the cut the rope monster

[dull heart]

Spiteful is a huuuge buff on Corinth

[fathom girder]

Just like warframe, corinth prime sucks even on a masterful build

[grave geyser]

and if I'm being honest the deaths dog improvements came from using deaths on malice dog and going "wait hold on the rift itself kinda doing damage"

[dull heart]

like it's a uh

Lol

[tired adder]

is it because it allows to go through DoG chungus's DR?

[dull heart]

yes

Spiteful on Corinth is probably a 75% dps buff or so if I was to guess

Since a majority of Corinth dmg comes from hitting segments

[grave geyser]

(and also if I can be real what qualifies as "realistic for testing" is fucking everywhere at this point)

[dull heart]

yeah

I do wanna see what death does when used by someone else before placing it fully though

[grave geyser]

fair

[dull heart]

But the fact it can peak to there is crazy

[grave geyser]

I am really curious

[dull heart]

Do you know what contrib the rift got

[grave geyser]

uhhh it was like 20% on dog

and like 3% on od

[dull heart]

oh wow

spiteful would probably be huge on DA too then

[grave geyser]

probably
when I still had spiteful candle on deaths was looking very close to getting sub 2 minutes again

[dull heart]

spiteful candle is such an interesting buff because of how it works on dog segments

[tired adder]

that's one of flaws of tester feedback, in my opinion

[dull heart]

yeah but there's definitely never a perfect way to balance

[tired adder]

like tester can just get cracked at the fight and then weapon becomes unusuable for everyone but them

[dull heart]

honestly that's not that common of an issue

Most weapons in this game are so simple that it's not a concern and they can't be super optimized any more than most other weapons

[tired adder]

understandable

[dull heart]

There's exceptions ofc like Death's Ascension here

[grave geyser]

the other thing about this tier is that

the 2 fights are very much in cycles
where if you miss a certain cycle you may as well add 10-15 seconds to the killtime

[dull heart]

Or any true melee in general

[grim pecan]

and yharon.

everything about yharon.

[dull heart]

and Yharon in general yes

but like

[tired adder]

death's ascension is also a donor item, isn't it, it needs to be busted

[dull heart]

Yharon isn't weapon specific optimization

It's just general player optimization

(usually)

[grave geyser]

this is especially notable on dog bc like
if you cant get through that last 23% or so before he does laser walls again you may as well add another 20 seconds right then and there

[grim pecan]

yharon is Xyk and CIT being way too fucking good at the fight

[dull heart]

I was about to wonder if you could get it so fast you skip all walls entirely

But remembered 25% forced walls

[grave geyser]

this is what happened with my 2.1.1 deaths kill

[dull heart]

wait really

[grave geyser]

dog never got say he didnt fear death

[tired adder]

what if you cleave those 25% in one second

[dull heart]

you'd need to finish the 25% in yeah about 2 seconds to not allow him to spawn the first wall

[grave geyser]

does he say it at first wall?

[dull heart]

no

[grave geyser]

oh you mean

avoiding all walls

[dull heart]

He says it at portal dash

Yea

[grave geyser]

no I killed him right at the end of the forced walls iirc

[dull heart]

yeah makes sense

I'm so glad deep sea dumbbell is usable again

[grave geyser]

I definitely have a malice kill or 2 that skipped walls entirely though from before the patch

[tired adder]

almost like it's a rule to save frames

[dull heart]

Yeah that tracks

I was way too nice on malice dog originally

[grave geyser]

regarding gladius I think if it wasnt a stratus weapon I would say high A is probably more reasonable given od is still mostly true melee (since you save starbursts to burst him down in rest phases)
but its a stratus weapon
and also gives you fucking 8 billion starbursts on dog

[dull heart]

yeah

[tired adder]

there is no cap?

[grave geyser]

100 is the cap

[dull heart]

There is

[grave geyser]

gladius just lets you hit it insanely quickly

[tired adder]

I meant on gaining starburst

[grave geyser]

oh

[dull heart]

But it generates 100 in about two seconds

On dog

[grave geyser]

it depends
if you're litterally inside him its less
if you're just hitting the side its closer to 3

[tired adder]

like did devs not realize that the boss for stratus weapon set is dog?

[dull heart]

if I nerf Gladius again it'll have to be to the the starburst generation

[dull heart]

no I designed the Stratus set primarily around him

I was well aware of how many starbursts Gladius spawns

I was NOT well aware of how crazy the damage would get when people figured out how to use it

I think I probably will make Gladius starburst generation -25% per enemy hit on the same strike

ie, 1 -> 0.75 -> 0.5625 etc

If I decide to nerf it

[grave geyser]

this was honestly the first time testing gladius where I actually felt like I knew what I was doing with it

first time around I was basically just mashing the buttons I thought were good for most of it
second time was barely a test because I knew there was no way that nerf was enough
this time I actually had to actually pay attention to what I wanted to do

[dull heart]

Right now it's still the best generator even on single target so I think this would be fair probably

(well, best if you have any melee speed boosts)

[tired adder]

wait

[dull heart]

(this is outdated now)

[tired adder]

2.1 melee weapon

that benefits from melee speed????

[dull heart]

all of the swords I made except proboscis do

[grave geyser]

weapon definitely has a noticeable skill floor and ceiling, but it was so blatantly overtuned prenerf that it wasnt really necessary to engage with its mechanics

[dull heart]

And I think all of xyks do too

[tired adder]

oh?

[dull heart]

yeah

Mine also get melee size

But xyks don't

[tired adder]

I thought there didn't, because of custom swing animation and stuff

[dull heart]

nah we accounted for it

[dull heart]

yeah

[tired adder]

thank god

that question bothered me for weeks

[dull heart]

I think that it's still overtuned in generation only

otherwise it's fine

[rough ruin]

Hello people👋

[dull heart]

it's a high skill ceiling weapon and that's good

[tired adder]

because why would you make auric helmet melee speed

if nothing fk uses melee speed

[grave geyser]

I mean

[dull heart]

Now we need to see how abusable Gladius is outside of dps

[grave geyser]

orderbringer

ataraxia

[dull heart]

like I'm sure that Gladius iframes can be super abused in places

yharon bhs come to mind as you can just go right through them

[grave geyser]

oh yeah this was also the session that made me actually realize the dash is just worse for dps

[dull heart]

the dash is a little worse for dps but it sets you up to be able to use the true melee well

and also gets you closer so the rip can be spammed faster

so it still should have good use even though it's not your primary DPS, right?

[grave geyser]

honestly I kinda wish the buttons for rip and pull were swapped

[dull heart]

Hmm

[grave geyser]

pull is very easy to misinput and when you do it can often be directly into dogs face

[dull heart]

the main reason I don't wanna change that is because of pull -> main attack

Right now you can pull and then left click to rip it out and immediately start stabbing while not actually doing the jump

[grave geyser]

fair

[dull heart]

I still don't remember if I ever actually fixed the gladius immortality exploit

Where you can just spam right click really fast to keep resetting the reel and iframe forever

[tired adder]

immortality?????

[dull heart]

I wanna say I patched it but I don actually remember

[tired adder]

shortswords are best subclass now?

[grave geyser]

sentries still exist

[grim pecan]

looks at submarine shocker

[dull heart]

sunny I'm nerfing Amalgam again

But I'm also buffing it

[grim pecan]

D:

[dull heart]

(weakening the debuffs it applies on its own while raising the boost it gives to debuffs)

[deft lily]

dude... uncool

😔

[dull heart]

(so it's not just General Pick Me For Best Damage but actually a synergy item)

[grim pecan]

Did you change the recipe to match the new debuffs

[dull heart]

not yet

I remembered and then forgot

[grim pecan]

Remember again

[dull heart]

martian conduit plating in amalgam gonna go hard

and like uhh

[grim pecan]

Do we really not have a better material for it

[dull heart]

frost core??

[grim pecan]

Eleum works

[dull heart]

frost core funnier

[fathom girder]

Why not use stormweaver's material

Isn't amalgam after that freak

[dull heart]

that's not really specifically Electrified related idt

Martians is the main Electrified thing

[grim pecan]

I'd prefer Armored Shell to condiut plating tbh

[fathom girder]

Hrm

[dull heart]

Wait

I have a dumb idea

Hear me out

[grave geyser]

oh no

[grim pecan]

oh no

[fathom girder]

It IS used for teslastaff

If that matters at all

[grave geyser]

the less we speak of teslastaff the better

[fathom girder]

I love teslastaff

Best mage weapon to kill provi with

[tired adder]

teslastaff is donator item, so it doesn't count

those things always have... unusual recipes

[dull heart]

• Frostbrand
• The Hive
• Dormant Brimseeker
• Doomsday Device
• Hadal Urn

[fathom girder]

You don't count

[grim pecan]

no

[fathom girder]

Are we really gonna zenith the

Ok

[dull heart]

one weapon for each debuff from each class..

a true amalgam

[grave geyser]

hadal urn 🔥

[fathom girder]

Throw abaddon in there fuck it why not right

[grim pecan]

doomsday device doesn't even inflict electrified????

[dull heart]

Wiki says it does

[grave geyser]

adamantite throwing axe

go

[grim pecan]

that's because it's still using shock grenade

[fathom girder]

YEAHH

[dull heart]

ugh

Ok

[fathom girder]

Blunder booster

Toss blunder booster in there

[dull heart]

Go my Twisting Thunder

Why does blunder not do vflux

[grave geyser]

it does

I'm pretty sure

[fathom girder]

Because it does

[dull heart]

oh ok

[fathom girder]

It's tesla's amulet but vflux

[dull heart]

then it wouldn't work

[fathom girder]

And also it does rogue things

Why not :(

[dull heart]

because it needs to be Electrified not vflux

[fathom girder]

Oh

Throw tesla's amulet in then

I think that's electrified

[dull heart]

ok wait

Why do we not have any sickness boosters grahh

I mean

Electric boosters

[fathom girder]

Corro spine

Oh

You said yharim's gift was gonna do that later

Well. You brainstormed it

[tired adder]

because electricity is not an element?

or is it?

[fathom girder]

It is

Electric is a debuff type

[tired adder]

I guess it had no debuffs to its name before

[fathom girder]

Also wrong

[dull heart]

It had Electrified and Galvanic Corrosion

[steel pike]

I have a really dumb question

[fathom girder]

We have a really dumb answer

[steel pike]

I don’t think you’re prepared for this

[tired adder]

Eye of the Golem

[dull heart]

The answer is

_ _

[fathom girder]

I'm ready

[steel pike]

Why is auric tesla armor called auric tesla armor if the word tesla couldn’t have existed since Nikolai Tesla is not canon

I’m very sorry it’s like 11pm here and I’ve been up since 6

[fathom girder]

Okay nvm you guys have fun with that one

[grave geyser]

it has only just now occured to me that I did my math wrong and its actually a 41.666% damage nerf

[steel pike]

And there was a moth in my room and i had to kill it

[tired adder]

nikolai...

[steel pike]

I feel like shit poop and fart

[steel pike]

thanks

[fathom girder]

The wizard probably called it Tesla idk

The concept exists in some way- DRAEDON

It's gotta be that bastard

[dull heart]

It cannonically does exist

See Tesla energy type arsenal

Where does the name come from? Dunno

But the name shows up in the arsenal energy type and Tesla Turrets

[fathom girder]

Draedon went onto Google through your computer

[grim pecan]

i mean. does exorcism mean that jesus is canon is calamity

[fathom girder]

Yeah?

That's an easy one

[steel pike]

true

[dull heart]

no but it does mean Satan is

[grim pecan]

its one of those things where you really shouldn't think about too hard

[steel pike]

I think i meant canonically shouldn’t of

[grave geyser]

yeah and his name is crabulon

[fathom girder]

You can't have Satan with a side of no jesus

[dull heart]

Satan will be double canon soon

[fathom girder]

You GOTTA have both

[grim pecan]

i hope you realize that the existence of red wine means the french are canon

[steel pike]

I shouldn’t but i have nothing else to do considering i have nothing but an air mattress in my room rn

this move is fuckig killing me

[fathom girder]

NO. no I draw the line there no NO no no

[steel pike]

this is the real antagonist

[grim pecan]

🇫🇷

[steel pike]

my goat

[steel pike]

the big J

have you guys seen that one German guy on Instagram play terraria and the names are all long as shit

[fathom girder]

The canon cannon rant ain't got the balls to use fuck

He ain't passionate enough about canon

[steel pike]

Like Jungle Bat was “Deschungelfledermaus” and me and my friend couldn’t stop laughing

[fathom girder]

That's a funny one cuz I always panic to jungle bats

[steel pike]

True

[fathom girder]

Can't even imagine me screaming "STOP STOP DESCHUNGELFLEDERMAUS DAMNIT STOP NO UGH"

[fathom girder]

YEAH HE'S A COWARD AND A FRAUD

[steel pike]

I KNOW LOL

[fathom girder]

Followed by "Stomp's flailing about was quickly ended by deschungelfledermaus"

[steel pike]

What other funny ones are there lemme think

Kopfsteinpflaster

Cobblestone

Königsschleim (king slime)

[tired adder]

this needs to become a boss

[steel pike]

Swamp Thing - Das Ding aus dem Sumpf

[steel pike]

Agreed

[barren nacelle]

Technically does come from a guy

Tesla's Amulet

[steel pike]

And who is Tesla

Because Tesla is Balkan

So what if

Balkan biome

Dude im reaching genis levels of thinking

im the next abert eintein

and the Balkan biome is the origin of the corruption and crimson

Dude im so good at this i should host game theory

Okay i should probably go to bed im too tired for this

Goo night

[dusk bronze]

tesla turret bestiary says it's named after a famous terrarian

[steel pike]

nikalamitiolai tesla

origin: balkan biome

[dusk fern]

did this update fix the bug where minions disappear on their own?

[grave geyser]

yes

[split ginkgo]

Balkan ref in calamity when

[steel pike]

I support this

[amber egret]

good NEWS everyone!

Grand Dad makes DoG obey blocks when hit by it

(he cannot move)

[stuck kite]

grand dad

[dusk fern]

i dont understand a any of this sentence? Who is "Grand Dad"? How does something "obey" a block (they dont give orders)? How does a block hit something? (Sand?)

[grim pecan]

do note: this only happens after scal and the exo mechs have been defeated

[dusk bronze]

grand dad is a sword

[burnt basin]

NOOOOOOOOO did they fix spider staff

[grave geyser]

hitrate is cut in half yes

[cunning sequoia]

fleenstones

[hidden belfry]

Grandad if I'm not wrong is pre-DoG right?

[dusk bronze]

technically yeah

post signus

[opaque carbon]

guys why does starmageddon got 12k dps?

[blazing field]

sigma

[deft lily]

whar...

[burnt basin]

i beat plantera, WHERE is clentaminator

whoops

wrong npc

[spiral tree]

lmao 😭

[main falcon]

The mechanic really be wondering what the fuck are you so angry about

[amber egret]

yes but still

its really funny

[plush carbon]

Imagining the poor mechanic watching the Terrarian crash out at her, forgetting they're looking for the cockney girl

[slim pendant]

ard black glass band nerf hurts 🙁

[stiff hinge]

regular

[dusk bronze]

@dull heart you said the melee weapons with effects when holding both clicks would be changed to just have right clicks?
this does not appear to be the case in 2.1.2

[lean relic]

wait i never realized there's no wet debuff in water

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Wet

[amber furnace]

unplayable game

[cunning sequoia]

clearly this means water isnt wet

[lapis oak]

when was this?

[dusk bronze]

a couple weeks ago i think

[radiant flower]

is this new?

[distant raft]

the modifier augmentation or the item

[radiant flower]

the reforge yeah

[distant raft]

yeah modifiers got augmented in 2.1

[hasty patrol]

the dazzling stabber staff bug is ridicilous can you guys recommend me other weapons to use for polterghast

[radiant flower]

weird, this is the first time im seeing this

[distant raft]

virid vangard

snake eyes

[radiant flower]

this is my 3rd playthrough in brainstorm so i wouldve thought ive seen them all by now 😭

[distant raft]

dragonblood disgorger is probably good

[distant raft]

it hasnt even been a month

[radiant flower]

wdym? calamity playthroughs aren't that long

[lean relic]

You are fast

I mean i am fast too

Finishing playthrough in 2 days

[radiant flower]

mine take about 30~ hours each over 3-5 days

[desert garnet]

calamity playthrough arent long when you bossrush

and 500 qol mods

[hidden belfry]

What mod did you use for those icons?

That would reduce reading by alot

[radiant flower]

yep haha, im unapologetic about it because bossrush is my way of enjoying calam Gladge

[radiant flower]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3650901227&searchtext=tooltip

this and its prerequisite

[hidden belfry]

Thankyou sir

[burnt basin]

yall how do i obtain the desert key

[hoary edge]

you can find one in desert shrine chest

[burnt basin]

where

is it just luck in finding it

[lean relic]

Or from drop
0.04% (1/2500) drop from all desert enemies

[hoary edge]

yea this one too

[lean relic]

Its generated randomly in underground desert

Search all places

[lapis oak]

Sand Elemental

10%

also one guarantee in the Luxor chest

by the time you need Desert Key surely finding it isn't gonna be too hard

[unkempt ivy]

Did they change the reavershark? I can't mine hellstone

[tribal isle]

nerfed

[fathom girder]

I still haven't found the uh

Whatever that stupid sword is that is unlocked by killing wof

Roxcalibur

I still haven't found the shrine across like 10 worlds

Such a stupidly rare weapon only for it to still be mid

[mystic eagle]

You can craft it

[fathom girder]

I wouldn't waste good materials on that thing

[mystic eagle]

The only reason to actively seek out its shrine is for WoFless / Low%

[fathom girder]

It defeats the point

I wanna go on an Easter egg hunt to get the worst hm restricted sword in calamity

[zealous saddle]

is there the best kind of soul to pair with SHPC?

[radiant flower]

i find sight the best against plantera

[zealous saddle]

oh yeah it has homing

[radiant flower]

yeah, removes alot of the mental strain of aiming at her

plus it still has aoe to deal with the small ones

[zealous saddle]

thanks ima try this out

[dull heart]

Yeah nobody did it yet it's just planned

[dull heart]

Same reason Irradiated isn't Sickness or Chilled isn't Cold

[lean relic]

doze

Did you saw that multiplayer weapon visual fix addon

[dull heart]

No

[lean relic]

you better check em out

[honest trail]

Interesting build

[lapis oak]

they're like Basher and Holy Collider right?

iirc

[dusk bronze]

and grand dad

and probably some others

[lapis oak]

what

what does Grand Dad even do with right click

isn't it only have like 1 attack

ah

super knockback ass attack

[west ledge]

chat is this good enough for say providence or signus

does like 16k dps

[dull heart]

16k is really really high

A good provi DPS is like 4k

[sonic urchin]

I think, slime god is a bit bugged in calamity infernum

[west ledge]

yeah idk how im getting 16k

[dull heart]

this isn't the infernum chat smh

[sonic urchin]

Like, it make dual attack on platforms

[west ledge]

i think that these new bullet reworks mightve been a bit strong cuz its the hyperius bullet

thats like doing allat

[dull heart]

yeah

Hyperius bullet is

Really brooen

[west ledge]

yeah thats what its looking like

[dull heart]

At least on TPE

[lapis oak]

what???

it got reworked again?

[west ledge]

does the uhh tactical plague engine have the same thing as the DoG one

I-Frames

or does combining the 2 have a good benefit

[dull heart]

Both of them should have local iframes which means they do not interfere with anything else

[west ledge]

so using both together would mean highest dps right

[lapis oak]

how many ammunition items got reworked in 2.1 smh

[dull heart]

no at that point you'd just want cosmic viper engine

[west ledge]

unless u mean each summon has local iframes meaning that it doesnt matter

[dull heart]

Yes

[west ledge]

i see

[dull heart]

Local means it's per individual projectile

[sonic urchin]

Ok

[west ledge]

lets hope the hyperius bullet doesnt get nerfed

😭✌️

[barren nacelle]

Gimme a sec

None of the arrows got a complete overhaul but all but verium bolt were adjusted in some way

[west ledge]

hyperius seems like a multiplicative 1.2x dmg buff too

if im reading it right

like if the enemy is hit with a whip or a diff summon i presume this releases that damage

[barren nacelle]

Flash round was reworked I always forget about flash round

[lapis oak]

this Hyperius is like that "scrapped" video Xyk sent

ah so that's what "scrapped" mean

oh cool God Slayer Slug got visual update

[strange cargo]

oh yall are talking about what I was curious about

thats convenient

whats the best ammo post-dog for the cosmic viper engine?

ive got holy fire bullets rn

[lapis oak]

Holy Fire Bullet and Vanquisher Arrow also got visual upgraded

and HOLY WTF Vanquisher Arrow homes in so aggressive now 😭

Chlorophyte Bullet of Bows

[strange cargo]

im tempted to toss ichor bullets on it just so I have the constant debuff to pair with the crumbling I normally have on my whip

[lapis oak]

wtf is this homing range this is absurd

😭

[fathom girder]

grape

[lapis oak]

it's so fucking funny

holy aimbot 5000

[teal olive]

use the lunic eye or the upgrade?

[strange cargo]

I already have the eye of magnus

[teal olive]

ah

does the eye stack with ichor?

[clever elk]

hey, does anybody know if infernum is harder than the new deathmode master mode

[teal olive]

it depends on the boss

[clever elk]

what about overall

[teal olive]

yes

i think only like Brain of Cthulu is harder in master death due to the rework

but only mechanically

master death bosses deal more damage and have more hp

infernum dog only deals 675 damage with its head on a player with no accesories and no armor

while death dog deals that on a fully on tier geared character

[lapis oak]

750 base damage

[teal olive]

but death dog has easier to dodge attacks and less instant dashes

[teal olive]

idk im saying this based on yardis testing

i havent got to infernum DOG yet since tha update

[lapis oak]

you can just look it up on the wiki

[wary iris]

what has this update done in terms of difficulty? I'm playing with a friend on revengeance and it seems very easy - is this due to me playing MP or has anyone else had similar experiences?

[rare tinsel]

the wiki gives you exact numbers, no testing required

[rare tinsel]

this update reduced boss damage all around
Defensive setups have been similarly nerfed so they won’t see too much difference, but offensive setups will find the game quite a good bit easier
Multiplayer also makes the game easier

[lapis oak]

no the enemies damage are quite lower than it's supposed to

I think that's the case currently

[teal olive]

Yeah, master enemies only 2 shot you now instead of one shot in ealy game

And well, full warding kinda cheeses a lotnof fights

Like, i straight up facetanked golem on my draedon weapons only run in death mode

Tho i feel dauntless is a bith meh

I think DR as become much more valuable in this update

[wary iris]

So, boss dmg got nerfed, enemy dmg too, DR as well. And multiplayer does make the game easier. I wonder, what was the reasoning behind these changes? I can understand the DR nerf, if warding was trivializing certain fights, but why nerf the bosses themselves?

I'm trying to see why the challenge was lessened, to recap

[dull heart]

Because it's part of a whole game rebalance

Reducing both defensive stats and damage to be more in line with vanilla instead of the crazy powercreep that came from fabsol

[teal olive]

Warding still trivialize fights

[dull heart]

This makes calamity much much more friendly to crossmod

[wary iris]

Oh, so this is part of a much larger process? That aims to enables crossmod compatibility?

[teal olive]

I woder if fargos 2.0 will just buff everything

[clever elk]

whats DR 😔

[teal olive]

damage reduction

[clever elk]

oh alr alr

[fleet ember]

Is the Transformer supposed to burst Moon Lord?

[lean relic]

Kiri there is an accessory called "The Pointer"
Try that one

[teal olive]

never used it so no idea

[lapis oak]

you think?

[fathom girder]

pointer grape beer is the afk strat

[dusk bronze]

adding stress ball will go crazy

[lean relic]

Dude stress ball + the pointer + grape beer sounds insane

[fathom girder]

unfortunately you have to be fully afk for stress ball to activate

and you're on ranger

good luck tanking on ranger

[west ledge]

the dazzling stabber staff is hurting my ears so bad

[lean relic]

Don't use it until another hotfix comes

[hot pebble]

oh

[dull heart]

Would recommend just not using it until we fix it

[lean relic]

This is known

[dull heart]

Use Virid Vanguard instead

[hot pebble]

15 Hive Minds

omg

[west ledge]

cant use virid atm

actually no i can

[fathom girder]

I can safely say MY FUCKING EARS

it's funny though

[west ledge]

sirius nerf scks

feelsbad

[fathom girder]

It's like revving up a chainsaw

[dull heart]

i mean it's a lot better at what it's meant to do now

[west ledge]

which is to be a support weapon

but its dps is not it anymore

[dull heart]

it just doesn't do insane dmg/support for free

[west ledge]

itll be good for multiclass summoners

[dull heart]

it still has good dps considering the rate of fire of quasars in a summon loadout is doubled

[west ledge]

else idk if its that good

ill have to mess around with it

[dull heart]

like if you haven't tried it yet

[west ledge]

it was doing alot of dps before

[dull heart]

you can't really say how the rebalance feels

[west ledge]

i mean good point

[dull heart]

it's still overall similar strength solo iirc

it's just that the damage was moved into starburst generation

[west ledge]

i can check its strength right now tbh

[dull heart]

at 12 slots you generate 4 starbursts a second now

instead of 2

which means quasar every 12.5 seconds instead of 25

[blazing field]

hello cut

[dull heart]

hi

[west ledge]

i have 22 slots

[lapis oak]

GRBs in Calamity when

we already have Quasar

[dull heart]

are you in endgame or something woah

at that point yeah sirius is probably worse than before

[west ledge]

im on my other character

[dull heart]

sirius was scaling way too hard with slots and outperforming Saros at higher slots

it's similar power on tier but won't be as insane off tier now

[blazing field]

i might be able to finally play brainstorm soon hopefully

getting a new laptop this week probby ,,,

[west ledge]

yeah sirius isnt as good as saros now

[dusk bronze]

whar

[west ledge]

yall really want us to use hivepack too

wait why did igneous exaltation get hit with the four horseman of nerfs

😭

[lean relic]

Stratus Sphere + Sirius is great

[orchid finch]

Shocking news: a weapon of a lower tier is weaker than a weapon of a higher tier

😨

[west ledge]

I mean yeah I agree it should be weaker I don't really mind them nerfing it for balance's sake

summoner has inumerable options anyway

[hoary edge]

aw hell nah I'm doing stand summon only right now bruh 😭

[west ledge]

idk what thats supposed to mean

[teal olive]

as long as they didn nerfed my goat Vengeful Sun Staff all good with summoner

[west ledge]

they did

[dusk bronze]

summons that are on a fixed position near the player i assume

[west ledge]

ah

i mean

it might not be a nerf

[west ledge]

the fix might actually be significant

[teal olive]

in my side says nerfed from 40 to 35

[west ledge]

yes it is

thats igneous

[teal olive]

a

anywyay, ill have to see if the Vengeful Sun Staff is still the best summon for cal clone then

honestly, i hope they add at least one arsenal whip cause every tier has summons (either minion or sentry) but theres no whips

wich made using summoner in my draedon weapon only run not great

[hoary edge]

[teal olive]

like, the damage was fine, but i would have liked to have summon tag damage

and well, hope they add post moonlord whips, cause the unoficial cal whips are not fair at all

increasing the dps by 10K just because of the effects is not right

[hoary edge]

I'm killing skeletron prime with auger and one hunter drone

it's my current peak experience :3

[proper lynx]

ok bro wyd with the minors

[wary igloo]

okay you figured how to scroll up a chat

do me a favor and quit it

[dull heart]

It was

Insane

[west ledge]

how inasne are we talking

[dull heart]

Specifically on worms

[west ledge]

i see

[dusk bronze]

😭 😭 😭

[teal olive]

im still sad about them nerfing (fixing the bug) on the san dollar

[hoary edge]

oh so it's really effective against worms huh

[teal olive]

it was jus to fun to see how suddenly it deleted 45% of a boss hp

[dull heart]

Also what four hoursemen of nerfs

There was pierce related ones

did I nerf it otherwise?

[west ledge]

i just exaggerated it no biggie

[hoary edge]

yea I'm gonna have destroyer and aquatic scourge as last mech / mech alt to kill

[west ledge]

just thought it was funny to see "nerfed, nerfed nerfed"

[lean relic]

Dude I like this tester

[dull heart]

It got a huge buff

Fixed active ability not scaling its damage with damage boosts.

Exaltation

[candid swan]

guys why murasama so broken now? (this dmg insane)

[fathom girder]

lemme guess

[lean relic]

So you have cal overhaul

[fathom girder]

overhaul

[teal olive]

broken? it cant hit 98% of boses on tier cause of range

[west ledge]

but overall weaker no

[dull heart]

no

[west ledge]

big nerf counteracted by big buff

[hoary edge]

cal overhaul detected ‼️

[lean relic]

Skill issue
It shears yharon for me

[lapis oak]

I smell

[candid swan]

you have 2 broken move with iframe

[dull heart]

it wasn't a big nerf on literally anything except destroyer or AS

[lapis oak]

I smell Cal Overhaul

ye ok

[candid swan]

warrior so op

[teal olive]

thats overhaul my dude

[dull heart]

It was otherwise a slight nerf to up close and massive buff to the active

[candid swan]

ye i forgot add it

[lean relic]

Yeah its pretty great

Change my mind

[teal olive]

i feel they need to bring back the half screen range

[fathom girder]

why

[teal olive]

it was so fun

[hoary edge]

oh wow

[mystic eagle]

No

[teal olive]

nerf the damage

[fathom girder]

"true melee needs more range" no it's TRUE MELEE

[teal olive]

but bring me back my big sword

[dusk bronze]

it's so fucking boring man

[fathom girder]

if it's any longer just use a normal ass sword

[lapis oak]

it falls into the category of Galaxia

[teal olive]

im pretty sure it doesnt even deal true mele damage

[tribal isle]

this sounds BUNS

[lapis oak]

(1% of people actually be able to use the fucking thing)

[lean relic]

okay maybe I agree about this

[teal olive]

and theres a fucking meteor rain copy that deals true mele damage

[fathom girder]

me when I lie

[tribal isle]

i remember using galaxia for goozma it dealt like 60k dps or something

[mystic eagle]

Definitely much more than 1% but a lot of people don't try to learn the boss fights

[teal olive]

i miss when true melee weapons were bigger

[dull heart]

true melee weapons are fine

[mystic eagle]

Then play normal melee instead??

[teal olive]

i do

[hoary edge]

nah I can move on with that

it belongs to fake melee

[lapis oak]

🤷‍♂️

[blazing field]

Isn't the point of true melee that you're trading range for better damage

[teal olive]

at least hellkite is op

[blazing field]

wouldnt giving them crazy range and big hitboxes go against the point of that

[lean relic]

A Melee weapon that has ranged prefix and attacks like mage

[teal olive]

yes, until a boss has a fixed position on the screen and you cant hit it

[dusk bronze]

you're trading range for AURA

[dull heart]

yes

[tribal isle]

i thought the point of true melee was doing challenge runs and making the game harder

[dull heart]

There is no boss you can't hit

[hoary edge]

[dull heart]

In a semi reasonable way with patience

Except Retanaizer now

[blazing field]

aurafarming with my tin shortsword

[dull heart]

But even exo twins are pretty hittable

[lean relic]

It reminds me exo mechs again

[hoary edge]

aura farming with holy collider :3

[lean relic]

they are so hard to hit

[coral shuttle]

retinazer
smh doze im dissapointed

[lapis oak]

you can hit Twins pretty often with Dimensional Drive + Chaos State

[lapis oak]

Exo Twins

[fathom girder]

Who gives a gaf about retinazer we're all out here for antenizer

[hoary edge]

peam

[blazing field]

get this man a

[stoic lance]

was there a update that added new whips or am i tweakin

[dull heart]

It is literally just Retinazer that you can't hit

[fathom girder]

no there aren't new whips

you're tweakin'

[stoic lance]

alr thanks

[lean relic]

You are tweaking

[dull heart]

And that's because 2.1.0 made retanaizer stupid to hit

[teal olive]

yeah

[fathom girder]

I'm right here

[blazing field]

There's an addon that adds whips so you might've confused

There will b new whips later tho

[fathom girder]

why must you ping me for a "yeah"

[pulsar cobalt]

meow

[blazing field]

just not rn

gotta rebalance summoner first or wtv

[pulsar cobalt]

yeah

[teal olive]

i wonder, the whole mod team/dev team is different from 2020 right

[stoic lance]

no ik abt the addon it wasnt that

[blazing field]

@fathom girder

[fathom girder]

alright tsuki that's it THAT'S IT

[blazing field]

Yeah

[fathom girder]

aaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[dusk bronze]

not entirely but most of them probably

[stoic lance]

the addon kinda sucks cuz the whips dont tag

[lapis oak]

@pulsar cobalt yeah

[blazing field]

Pretty much idk if theres any from before that are still in there, maybe a small few

[pulsar cobalt]

theres a few

[teal olive]

so theres none of the people that were against whips existing and that baned someone for asking about whips being added to calamity

i still remember that fiasco

2020 was a wild year

[tired adder]

is this cave story?

[dusk bronze]

that's not why whips weren't added

that's never been a thing

they weren't added bc balancing hell

[teal olive]

i mean, there was a whole ass drama about that 6 years ago

[west ledge]

arent calamity whips coming soon anyway

[teal olive]

but im not saying thats the reason now

[west ledge]

with a whole summoner rebalance

[blazing field]

Dunno abt "soon" but, eventually

[dusk bronze]

probably not soon
but Eventually™

[blazing field]

depends when summoner rebalance gets done yeah

[lean relic]

That one misinformation spreader

[blazing field]

if its next update, then probably

if its not, then later

[west ledge]

i just know they are coming

[dusk bronze]

pretty sure that was just made up

[polar tide]

meow

[fathom girder]

Isn't summoner rebalance likely to happen with the 1.4.5 port?

[blazing field]

cant confirm or deny anything that happened 6 years ago

[lapis oak]

surprised sgm jumpscare

[tired adder]

calamity doesn't want mid AI minions

[blazing field]

But nowadays whips were just added due to cal summonerbeing a mess

[hoary edge]

I can't wait for summoner rebalance so I can run back stand summon only once I finished the current stand summon only run :)

[tired adder]

they are either only good at dummies

[polar tide]

ew you guys are talking about summoner rebalance nvm no meow

[teal olive]

also, i was doing testing arround with the heros mod and saw theres a weird wulfrum item that apears on the cheat sheet but its not accesible in any way or form

[tired adder]

or have perfect tracking

[teal olive]

fusion something

[fathom girder]

No carny come back

[teal olive]

what was suposed to be?

[pulsar cobalt]

wulfrum armour set bonus

[blazing field]

yeah its the gun

from the mech

[pulsar cobalt]

experimental fusion array iirc

[blazing field]

boars myself

[teal olive]

taht

its just discarded content?

[blazing field]

no it's from the wulfrum armor

[pulsar cobalt]

no

[teal olive]

OHHHHHH

[fathom girder]

bro can't read

YES

lol

[pulsar cobalt]

its the set bonus for wulfrum

[teal olive]

so its not an item

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-flying-floating-gif-17453629

[blazing field]

set bonus turns you into a mech and that is the weapon you can use while in that state

[pulsar cobalt]

not one you can obtain normally

[teal olive]

okey idk why the heros mod thing shows it as an item

[fathom girder]

CARNY COME BAACK

oh cheatsheet also shows it

[lean relic]

carny wait come back is this correct

[blazing field]

It is an item technically

[fathom girder]

It's an item that exists so it can be spawned in

[blazing field]

Just not one obtainable conventionally

yea

[polar tide]

i believe mossy stone was for shores

[distant agate]

man ranger explodes in power post moon lord

[lean relic]

mmmm

[distant agate]

it actually feels like a class now

[west ledge]

i wonder what the summoner rebalance will look like

prolly overall nerf in progression str with it being similar at endgame if i had to guess

[tired adder]

at least 2.1 realized that flat damage tag is maybe less gamebreaking than mult tag

[distant agate]

i hope they lower the damage but up the speed of most summons

[teal olive]

no please its so fucking fun that the highest dps class can get 2 shoted by everything at every stage of progression

summoner needs to remain as the glass canon

[distant agate]

kinda sucked just using the stabber staff from prov for 90% of post moon lord bc its the only summon that can actually hit bosses

[blazing field]

thats the funny thing

its not even a glass cannon lol

[distant agate]

summoner is like, the 2nd tankiest class lol

i was unkillable

[teal olive]

you crazy?

[spark hearth]

Thanks for another update guys!

[lean relic]

Yeah summoner was not made for glass cannon

[distant agate]

no?

[blazing field]

In vanilla yeah it is

[hoary edge]

nah I'd rather doing regenmaxxing than glass cannon

[stark quail]

me when update

[polar tide]

keep in mind whenever we revisit sunken sea i'd say there's a good non zero chance that the look of the biomes will be changed completely. there's next to no solid conceptualization for them so i wouldn't be surprised if some of these tiles end up getting repurposed or going unused entirely whenever sso actually comes out in 15 years

[blazing field]

Not in calamity though

[dusk bronze]

google fearmonger armor

[tired adder]

welcome to joy and whimsy of fearmonger

[blazing field]

sso september-october

(unspecified year

[fathom girder]

we're back to SSO september-october

[polar tide]

sso stands for surely september-october

[lean relic]

Tomorrow is another day
[SSO TOMORROW image]

[dusk bronze]

[blazing field]

its true .

[hoary edge]

fearmonger :

allow me to introduce myself.

[distant agate]

dude fearmonger was funny as fuck, getting hit by DoG only for my health bar to rapidly refill lol

[pulsar cobalt]

fearmonger isnt even that crazy of a tank considering silva exists

[steel pike]

Saturday Sunday ounday

[pulsar cobalt]

silva also has good regen and def and oh also just

[dusk bronze]

silva armor is fraudulent

[distant agate]

fearmonger is much tankier than silva in my expirence

[pulsar cobalt]

THE BEST REVIVE

[strange cargo]

https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1476751788089540699

[west ledge]

i just go all in on glass cannon summoner with stardust armor

[strange cargo]

But yeah fearmonger is totally great

[distant agate]

this is going to be a hot take, but fearmonger is better than auric armour for summoner

[tired adder]

also, don't cal accessories give you so many slots

that you can just put things like sponge

[strange cargo]

Thats just, not really true

[distant agate]

yea my summoner could run like 4 defence accessories and still have super high dps

[steel pike]

bob

[tired adder]

and therefore like 30 less defense than melee helmet does not matter?

[distant agate]

i had a much much much easier time with the exo mechs with fearmonger than i did with auric

[strange cargo]

Refer to the aforementioned thread

[distant agate]

i read it

i still had an easier time with fearmonger

[strange cargo]

Prolly just a playstyle difference

[west ledge]

maybe if your bad at dodging its better im not sure

[distant agate]

idk im pretty good at dodging, probably not the best at the exo mechs tho lol

[west ledge]

aurics offensive buffs and stuff though prolly outweigh it

[teal olive]

nah, why would you do that when you can have all ofensive accesories and melt everything

[west ledge]

maybe its better for solo if u just die with auric cuz it has better survivability but eh idk

[tired adder]

fearmonger is like beetle shell, if you think about it

[west ledge]

ive realised survivability accessories arent important on summoner

[teal olive]

i feel the only hard part on the exos is whenever the twins and tanathos are on the screen at the same time

[distant agate]

yea the issue was with auric i was just dying, fearmonger kept me alive so the lower damage just didnt matter to me

[tired adder]

its offense is not that strong, maybe

[west ledge]

or rather that most accessories summoner wants for its dmg have atleast some survivability baked into it anyway

[distant agate]

yea

i nuked exos on my mage but i struggled on summoner for some reason

[teal olive]

like, tanathos is alwasy my worse exo mech

[tired adder]

but you can do hybrid
and summons heal you

[west ledge]

ive just gone all offense

[teal olive]

even when i melt the bosses its a pain in the ass

[tired adder]

just like how you can use any weapon with beetle shell

[teal olive]

nah, you are using the amalgamated brain

that aint all offense

[west ledge]

which has offense with surv baked into it

[teal olive]

bench that shit and get another beetle scroll

[west ledge]

the dank minion it spawns gives more dmg than beetle scroll

[tired adder]

also

[blazing field]

ok

[tired adder]

offense, by nature of it

scales slower than defense in this game

[lean relic]

Only true people will remember that rain armour exploit

[lapis oak]

it hasn't even been 1 month

[west ledge]

atp do i just ditch cosmilamp

[lean relic]

But only some people know

[tired adder]

it lasted like 3 days

about as memorable as terrablockswap glitch

[dull heart]

Yes

Cosmilamp is not very good

[west ledge]

alr

[dull heart]

Flowers of Mortality might be outdated too but TPE is definitely worth if you're using Hyperius

[west ledge]

when my friends back im gonna get the ceaseless void summon

that summon is fucking insane from what i remember

[dull heart]

I don't think I've literally ever used it

[west ledge]

its really good in my experience

[dull heart]

I don't recall it ever being good but I might very well be wrong

[fathom girder]

It's an okay summon

[dull heart]

Because I've never touched ut

[fathom girder]

it's a nice filler

like if you have NOTHING else it's a solid summon to use the rest of your slots on

[distant agate]

i only used the dazzling stabber until i got the DoG summon lol

[west ledge]

also is there an item in calamity that allows me to tp anywhere on the map

[fathom girder]

but virid vanguard also exists and is probably better

[west ledge]

cuz im ngl going all the way to the dungeon is annoying asl

[distant agate]

everything else was generally just worse or better but not consistently better

[dull heart]

I should rework void concentration tbh

[lapis oak]

give it a cool metaball

[fathom girder]

Sirius 2

[distant agate]

god i wish

[dull heart]

Yeah stabber was very broken except it sucked on DoG

[distant agate]

i just use the alchemist mod and use the tp potions he sells

[west ledge]

i might just download a mod for it

[dull heart]

Like

[fathom girder]

What would you do with void concentration ig

[west ledge]

void concentration rework would be nice

[distant agate]

oh yea awful vs DoG but its goated for 90% of post moon lord

[dull heart]

What if the void aura gave you dark energy orbitals like CV

[west ledge]

but its already strong as is

[west ledge]

could make the aura something like the phantomic artifact

[dusk bronze]

peam

[fathom girder]

Oh hell yeah I'd love to cosplay BoC

[west ledge]

albeit weaker

[dusk bronze]

also rename it please it's so dumb

[west ledge]

where the aura makes your hits give dark energy

[dull heart]

Void Concentration Staff is a name of all time

[hoary edge]

oh 👀

[west ledge]

guess its more like dark harvest

[dull heart]

gotta give it a pun based on CV like

[dusk bronze]

more summons need unique names that aren't just xyz staff

[dull heart]

Eternull

Or something

[west ledge]

what Eternull Void Staff

or

[lapis oak]

that sounds so funny

[tired adder]

ceaseless casino

[west ledge]

yes please

wait can you please add a gambling summon

[dull heart]

It's so silly but it's miles better than Void Concentration

[west ledge]

thats actually aura

[steel pike]

I agree with this statement

[fathom girder]

If I were to rework void staff using your idea, I'd have like.
Every cast spawns 3 orbs that rotate around you similar to CV but in a much shorter area, and using left click with it at max summons draws them in and fires out a big ol dark beam that deals more damage the more of the orbs you have

[dull heart]

Ceaseless = unending= eternal

Void = nothing = null

Therefore

[fathom girder]

cuz idk if the orbs would be very impressive on their own

[dull heart]

I don't think I'd do a dark beam

[fathom girder]

awww

[steel pike]

ceasers palace

[hoary edge]

Eternull Contraption

[fathom girder]

what would you do

[dull heart]

The active would probably be based on CV suck phase

[tired adder]

orbs go out of minions, but minion moves as erratically, as pre-2.1 void so it's very random

[fathom girder]

that makes more sense

[dull heart]

pre 2.1 void wasn't random at all

[steel pike]

yeah

[fathom girder]

I'm just not sure how it would translate

[dull heart]

it was very predictable

[lapis oak]

when will Pillar of Creation be in Calamity

[dull heart]

lock the suck onto an enemy and they get pelted by dark energy and lasers for a little bit

or something

[fathom girder]

oh

[dull heart]

idk I haven't actually thought about it

[fathom girder]

well that's certainly more interesting than "hehe dark lazor"

[tired adder]

also orbs can crit, just like how ChiefLogan's CV fight depended on Superradiant's crit luck

[dull heart]

Minion damage is increased by 5% while the aura is active

Most useless effect of all time

[fathom girder]

no trust that's such a good breakpoint

[dull heart]

I'd make the passive orbs provide defensive benefits

And then the active be the primary damage I think

[lapis oak]

OMG POST-ML BRITTLE

we're so back

[fathom girder]

1.5% DR for each or b

[dull heart]

Perhaps the active would be a summon tag effect that caused dark energy spirals to hit the addicted enemy on minion hits

[hoary edge]

I wish it stays as stand summon :)

[dull heart]

it would

[fathom girder]

Oh

my

[tired adder]

addicted?

[fathom girder]

that would be OP lmao

afflicted, he meant

[dull heart]

It'd be one use for the void balls

[tired adder]

you are truly leaning into theme of ceaseless casino

[mystic sinew]

hello folsk

[dull heart]

Fun fact! You can basically already become CV rn

[mystic sinew]

folks

[dull heart]

mirror blade go brr

[mystic sinew]

when is the 1.4.5 update coming out for calmity?

[fathom girder]

mirror blade+that void concentration rework+transformer

[tired adder]

not in 2026

[fathom girder]

become the true orbital menace

[mystic sinew]

[dull heart]

Likely not true

[mystic sinew]

alright time to start my rogue playthrough then

[steel pike]

Gonna have to wait till bully

[dull heart]

Once it comes out for tmodloader lol

which will probably take at least 6 months

[steel pike]

Good time estimate for all releases in any category

[mystic sinew]

one more question

when does Xeroc come out as a boss

[fathom girder]

neverrrrrrrrrrrrr probably

[dull heart]

wait ok what if

[steel pike]

Yeah i mean wouldnt he be like

[dull heart]

void concentration was a spiritual successor to cold divinity

[steel pike]

One above all

Or something

[dull heart]

sorry, Glacial Embrace

[fathom girder]

yeah?

I can see that

whatchu got in mind

like, the orbs would fire out at nearby enemies?

and the m2 would do the succ?

[dull heart]

the active channels three orbiting lighting orbs that fire lasers at the targeted enemy

[fathom girder]

OH

[dull heart]

Like the ones CV has

[fathom girder]

that would be pretty sick

[dull heart]

and those apply the summon tag that causes minion hits to summon a dark energy vortex

that'd be fun

[hoary edge]

that would be peak

[fathom girder]

What about the vortex being the active, with the lightning orbs being the on-hit effect

Cuz the vortex is what lasts a while in the fight

with the lightning orbs eventually going away

[dull heart]

Which is why the lightning being the active makes sense

It's more temporary

[lapis oak]

I'm old...

[fathom girder]

mmmmmmmmmm