calamity-update-talk

[grave geyser]

infernum really isnt comparable to basecal

when they say it changes bosses they mean "the entire roster might as well be entirely different"

the only fights that are particularly reminsicent of the basecal fights are like
duke and hive mind

[frozen horizon]

Why?

[tulip sonnet]

idk i just want more of a challenge than revengance

[earnest jewel]

Press the dash key.

[misty wren]

cal is generally designed around on the fly reactions and heat of the moment decisions
infernum is generally designed around pattern memorization and more calculated decisions

[earnest jewel]

Death.

[grave geyser]

death is basically just revengence+

so

[fierce hearth]

How you define difficulty for yourself would definitely change how you feel about Infernum's challenge, yeah. If you like precise execution checks, then Infernum is your speed, but if you want more freeform chaos then I guess base Calamity is more your thing, but I would say Calamity's bosses are a lot more flawed

[tulip sonnet]

ok 👍

[radiant flower]

try death i think its way more fun than revengeance

a few ai changes but its mostly the bosses being tankier so you actually experience more of the fight

[fierce hearth]

I still skipped most of DoG's ai in Death mode

[misty wren]

once youve beat an infernum boss once in most cases you can do it again fairly easily

[fierce hearth]

I wasn't even using an optimal setup apparently

There were better weapons I could've been using

[radiant flower]

i think i died like 20 times to dog on death ranger

[fierce hearth]

I died many more times lmao

[dense sundial]

fabsol bosses are generally not very designed

[grave geyser]

which weapon

[fierce hearth]

I was doing melee + summoner Omega Blue with Stratus weapons

[dense sundial]

also note that the way you described infernum applies to 2.1 brain

[misty wren]

hence the generally

[earnest jewel]

Hey, the bosses he took them from are well designed!
He just... you know... didn't understand what worked.

[fierce hearth]

I used Crescent but Gladius is apparently absolutely busted

[radiant flower]

tau cannon is goated for dog but its hard to use

the mental tax of charging it and having to dodge properly

[misty wren]

ive been around for long enough to know there are always gonna be exceptions

[fierce hearth]

I also feel like there's enough rng in Brain's fight to still have it be very reactive

Even if there are specific answers to every attack

[dense sundial]

i mean yeah

[grave geyser]

hmmm
if we define "designed" as "has distinct attacks that change how you have to approach the fight and work on a set cycle"
how many fab bosses actually fill that criteria

off the top of my head:
scal
provi
eye of Cthulhu, of all things
guardians
old duke
uhhhhhhh

[dense sundial]

infernum has its fair share of reasonable rng too

[fierce hearth]

Nodnod

[fierce hearth]

... Aureus?

[dense sundial]

i was gonna object to old duke and then i remembered he actually dashes in 2.1

[fierce hearth]

Barely?

[grave geyser]

I guess by technicality yeah

yharon

[still bluff]

aureus has designit's just the response to every attack is "keep running"

[dense sundial]

aureus does not make the slightest attempt to stop you from running directly in front of it

[fierce hearth]

That's true. Animate Aureus a donkey kick

[dense sundial]

and i mean directly in front. like walking a dog kind of directly in front

[still bluff]

fight instantly improved 10

[grave geyser]

desert scourge has a pattern but calling anything desert scourge does an attack would be incredibly generous

cryogen I guess?

[dense sundial]

cryo makes you move around it and between its projectiles and that's it

[pulsar cobalt]

nuh uh it has deadly sphere ai too!

[fierce hearth]

Yeah Cryo's phases don't meaningfully change how you behave with it

[pulsar cobalt]

aka flies directly to you

[fierce hearth]

It's pretty much always "run away and weave between projectiles"

[dense sundial]

i love my stupid deadly sphere x skeletron prime x flocko son

[grave geyser]

brimmy and plant would probably qualify if only barely if not for the fact that their "pattern" is just internal timers that happen to look like a pattern

[deft lily]

all boss fights in cal suck besides rev+ brain and DoG
i refuse to compliment or point out any "redeeming qualities" (because there is none) when it comes to pink pony bigot's work

[dense sundial]

look i'm as much a fabosses hater as anyone

but why are you always so reductive about things

[deft lily]

wdym

[fierce hearth]

Prov is engaging but only in terms of movement, the actual attacking her part is completely paper thin

[dense sundial]

surely there is at least one redeeming quality in the whole gamut of fabosses

revengeance actually makes eye of cthulhu better

[deft lily]

even if there is thats entirely a matter of opinion

[grave geyser]

this does just kinda sound like "fab bosses all suck because fab is the one who made them" and not "fab bosses all suck because the fights are actually that bad"

which is fine if thats what you were meaning to say, but

[dense sundial]

it also makes moon lord less bad

[dense sundial]

^

[fierce hearth]

Scal and Exos have interesting structure but both are mechanically underwhelming

[still bluff]

(until it added the projectiles it was actually better till then)

[grave geyser]

exos are just projectile vomit in the shape of a structured fight

[fierce hearth]

Yeah

[deft lily]

yes. that is exactly what i said.

i refuse to defend the work of a transphobe

[fierce hearth]

They also are weakest when they're fighting together which feels so stupid. Final phase should be them doing a terrifying combo attack, not you whittling the last one down

[dense sundial]

then why don't we destroy calamity and associated projects because fabsol started it all

[deft lily]

this is already effectively happening if you think abt it
the entire mod will one day be entirely de-fabed and no traces of his work will be left

[mystic eagle]

You are not someone who'd enjoy a lot of things if you also were to include other bad people

[grave geyser]

hold on you might be onto something there

ultimately I think I fundamentally disagree with umbaras point of view in a way that there is no point discussing it further so I am simply going to leave it

[dull heart]

hi

[pulsar cobalt]

galactus blade only existed for so long cuz of stuff like fab yknow

so even if the code wont be fabs

[misty wren]

i tried to get it killed!

[pulsar cobalt]

a lot of the essence is still there by proxy of it

[misty wren]

i did i really did!

[pulsar cobalt]

being made by him

[dense sundial]

the very idea of x piece of calamity content comes from fab

should we destroy it regardless of what we might want to do with it

[grave geyser]

removing the entire calamity lore because all its main characters were made by or in colaboration with fabsol

[dense sundial]

removing dog because i headcanon that he's dedicated to fab

[pulsar cobalt]

literally the only characters who would stay are the new lore ones sob

[dull heart]

I have an idea

[deft lily]

yeah in retrospective my original comment was a very flawed
im more or less just tired of people finding reasons to defend him under the pretext of "without him, (x) wouldn't exist"

[dull heart]

What if instead of calamity

We had a mod that like

[grave geyser]

he's gonna describe roots watch

[pulsar cobalt]

doze try not to plug roots challenge

[dense sundial]

none of us would be here if not for fab and that is not a defense

[arctic cliff]

Calamity should be renamed to the Auric Mod

[dull heart]

I actually wasn't going to I was stopping there because I knew y'all would do it for me

[pulsar cobalt]

no one was defending him u were just being an ass for no reason

[grave geyser]

calamity lore doc but any sentence pertaining to anyone other than a deceased auric dragon is removed

[deft lily]

im not say you people in particular were defending him
ive mostly seen it in other places that aren't cal main tbh

[arctic cliff]

if thorium and other mods could get away with naming themselves after one of their ores, then surely calami--, erm, Auric could do it

[dull heart]

calamity but the only items left is auric slammer and wulf spider and lemon nade

[mystic eagle]

Fargore

[deft lily]

contrary to popular belief ‼️

[dense sundial]

yeah i could have clarified to start with, i was giving my own logic

[deft lily]

yeah fair

[pulsar cobalt]

force triangle to sprite auric slammer

[misty wren]

calamity ore

[dense sundial]

the calamity biome

[grave geyser]

maybe its just that 2.1 eye barely uses them outside death but I honestly dont see a huge issue with the projectiles

[deft lily]

the fabsol ore

[lyric trellis]

Rev EoC barely uses it so it’s fine yeah, definitely better than vanilla

[dense sundial]

did you know that 2.1 rev eye, in phase 3, calls the entire function for firing projectiles except for the part where the projectile actually spawns?

you can tell because it still makes the firing sounds

[lyric trellis]

Horizontal dash is very good

[deft lily]

fabsolium

[grave geyser]

its peak

[deft lily]

u are only able to mine it if you've have your 14th bottle of alcohol and it makes it into a set of transphobic armor

[dense sundial]

fabslop

[lyric trellis]

Crystal heart vodka

[dense sundial]

it's a liquid that you condense into the workable material, like erchius

[misty wren]

this item is hilarious

transphobic
dedicated vanity item for his oc has what is very clearly meant to be a joke about transitioning/hrt

[arctic cliff]

🤣

this guy had no excuse to be transphobic, if anything he had every reason to not be transphobic

and yet

YET

wtf

[deft lily]

yeah looking back 16 minutes later this comment is illogical

sorry

[lyric trellis]

The implication that there would be any excuse to be transphobic is funny, though obviously not what you meant

[mystic eagle]

"All trans people on earth surrounded me and stared at me through the skull. I'm afraid"

[deft lily]

i love trans people!

[deft lily]

what?

[dry whale]

waow

[radiant flower]

is the reaper tooth necklace really that good? brome's cal guide videos has that thing equipped for basically the entirety of post ML

[dry whale]

I will not kill you today then!

[deft lily]

if you have a problem with trans ppl then please get off the internet thank you

[hasty tangle]

no

also youtube guides are ass

[dry whale]

^

[hasty tangle]

especially recent ones

cuz theyre rushed for views

[radiant flower]

i dont know how people survive post ML without like 5 defensive accessories

especially if you arent good at the game like most people

[deft lily]

cisgenders though...............................

😨

they scary...................................

[dry whale]

scary people

[grave geyser]

tbf rtn is actually pretty decent after the buff

[deft lily]

how dare they not be trans

grrrrr

[fierce hearth]

Fr fr

[hasty tangle]

not really

20% damage isnt that much

[buoyant pulsar]

what tf is rtn

[hasty tangle]

its additive, along with nearly all other damage

[radiant flower]

and the armor pen is weapon specific

[fierce hearth]

It's a big universal damage boost but class specific accessories are often better unless doing very specific setups

[hasty tangle]

and by the time you get post polter, you'll already have a lot of it

[hasty tangle]

yeah

[hard copper]

reaper tooth necklace

[grave geyser]

I like how its almost at pre-rework dsa without the downside
really goes to show just how bad it was

[radiant flower]

arc flash should be better but bro has it on until post superbosses im crying

[lyric trellis]

If you’re gonna run general offensive accessories than honestly there isn’t much better than rtn I think at that point

[fierce hearth]

Compare RTN to like, Affliction and ask yourself, is 10% more damage and a tiny bit of armor piercing worth All Of That Other Stuff

[hasty tangle]

exactly

pre rework dsa was so terrible

[deft lily]

dsa?

[hasty tangle]

literally a nohitters-only acc

dim soul artifact

[deft lily]

oh
no idea what that is

[hasty tangle]

currently its 1.2x damage but -15% dr

[sudden cairn]

yes

[radiant flower]

used to be 25% additive skull

[hasty tangle]

used to be +25% damage with the same penalty

[fierce hearth]

The controversy everyone disagrees

[deft lily]

wtf

yeah that literally cater's to nohitters what 💀

[grave geyser]

anyway boss discussion earlier got me having opinions n shit again

[deft lily]

skeletron prime should be in the lowest tier

[misty wren]

it still does it was just ass before

[radiant flower]

im actually very unaware of offensive accessories since i basically just run wings + 1 offensive accessory + statis/aegis + defensive

[deft lily]

i see

[grave geyser]

the bar is unfortunately too low

[fierce hearth]

RTN is good in specific setups, but there are many class specific or accessories that offer defensive bonuses that are extremely competitive for your very limited accessory slots

[radiant flower]

except for ranger, because their offensive accessories are really good (daawnlight)

[misty wren]

theres actually a benefit to using it outside of nohitting now, yes, but its still very much a nohit accessory

[hasty tangle]

yeah

but at least its not basically nohit exclusive now

[dense sundial]

i should make one of these now that i've tested a bunch

[grave geyser]

like prime does shit that can at least qualify as it trying to be a boss fight
it fails miserably but there is an attempt
signus cant even claim that much

[fierce hearth]

I used RTN in my DoG loadout but that was only because I was basically nohitting him anyway (not literally, I did get hit )

[dense sundial]

it will be very true melee- (or close-ranged in general-) biased but yeah

[sudden cairn]

exo mechs arent THAT bad honestly would put it on really bad tier

[hasty tangle]

nah, they suck

lot of wasted potential

[radiant flower]

dawg the first time i beat exo mechs i literally ran in a straight line

[sudden cairn]

true

[misty wren]

exos used to be fine because they were fun and kinda difficult but now they arent even fun or difficult with their being ass

[fierce hearth]

Exos are rated so low not just because they're mediocre, but because they're mediocre as one of the most important bosses in the mod

[hasty tangle]

^

thats why i previously thought dog was so bad

not just cuz he was a bad fight, but hes the most famous boss in the mod

exos arent as famous but theyre still really important

[misty wren]

exos before like 2.0 was actually pretty fun and i enjoyed it but after that the fight just got worse and worse and worse

[radiant flower]

and after playing both wotm and infernum exo mechs, base cal is so....

[deft lily]

only because of the music too unfortunately

hes literally an icon in the modded terraria community

[fierce hearth]

Exos are also horrifically wasted potential because the fight is structured in a way that utilizes their design in one of the most pointless and ineffectual ways possible

[hasty tangle]

^

they literally have ANTI synergy with each other

they get EASIER with more of them onscreen

which is absolutely hilarious

[radiant flower]

its true! exo mechs are such a cool concept but the fight is so boring once you get past the visual spectacle

[misty wren]

they werent paragons of good game design sure but i found them way more fun

[fierce hearth]

They're supposed to be a team but they're scariest when alone and you end the fight by picking them off one by one instead of their tactical cooperation scaling as you threaten them

[dull heart]

What did pre 2.0 exos do differently that was more fun

[grave geyser]

pre lobotomy

[pulsar cobalt]

ive never experienced pre 2.0 exos so lol lmao

[misty wren]

it was before they were nerfed so extremely

[radiant flower]

1st fight: what the fuck is going on
2nd fight: wait i can just run in a straight line
3rd fight: wtf thats it

the progression is so funny

[dull heart]

depending on how crazy the changes I could look at at least making the existing fight better for 2.2 so it's not so awful

not on the scale of DoG improvement but

[radiant flower]

ares has attacks that limit where the player goes

[grave geyser]

off the top of my head the biggest differences are:

• thanatos is actually real
• twins are no logner braindead
• you cant just run left and beat mayhem

[radiant flower]

i think that should be more implemented

[dull heart]

wait Thanatos was real

What

[misty wren]

yeah thanatos was actually a thing at one point

[dull heart]

goodness fabsol

[hasty tangle]

wasnt the plan that exos' next rework would be their last one, cuz no one wants to deal with all the work that would go into that more than once?

[grave geyser]

berserk thana in particular was much faster

[dense sundial]

if you're going to add a cosmos-renowned engineer who communicates with you regularly, gradually builds up hype for himself, and asks you at the very end of the game to duel his magnum opus,

you DO NOT make that magnum opus a clone [exos] of a vanilla clone [oblivion] of a vanilla self-clone [mechs] with absolutely no structure or mechanical intrigue whatsoever

[dull heart]

Wouldn't be a rework it would just be

[misty wren]

buffing then

[dull heart]

Making them actually at least interesting

somewhat

[hasty tangle]

that sounds rather tough

[dense sundial]

if you rework (actually rework) exos more than once i think you're cooked

[hasty tangle]

but youve shown you can do it with the dog rework

so i look forward to it

[grave geyser]

and since contact damage still functioned t-hanos also occasionally required more than just standing still for 3 seconds

[fierce hearth]

They're still going to be very disappointing conceptually, without a proper rework, but maybe the mayhem can actually feel threatening

[dense sundial]

you have proven to be able to get other things right the first time

[dull heart]

yeah I think the main issue is than and twins both are

really bad

Ares is okay

[grave geyser]

twins are a lot harder to fix

[dense sundial]

ares is comparatively okay. that does not mean ares is good

[dull heart]

yes

[grave geyser]

because their problems stem from years of nonstop nerfs

[dull heart]

but making ares good requires full rework

[cobalt wharf]

release ares went crazy

zero telegraphs 🔥

[misty wren]

revert their ai to just before 2.0 !

[grave geyser]

oh wait yeah I completely forgot

[dense sundial]

release exos would have been the best base exos if they came with ares telegraphs

[grave geyser]

ares laser actually switched sides

[dull heart]

clearly I should just revert exos files to release files and make it actually run and change nothing else

[dense sundial]

because the version that added ares telegraphs was the beginning of the lobotomies

[grave geyser]

instead of whatever the fuck it does right now

[dull heart]

It should again in 2.1

iirc it now switches every laser

[misty wren]

unironically would probably be better

[dense sundial]

it USED to not change sides

[grave geyser]

only during mayhem

[acoustic scarab]

How is the new Terraria update?

[dense sundial]

oh huh

[dull heart]

i have a couple bosses I should look into tweaking to be actually real but fabcode scary

[misty wren]

ares telegraphs are the biggest thing

[dense sundial]

before 2.1 it didn't flip during p3

[lyric trellis]

It was peak

[fringe coral]

honestly I quite like exo mechs, its like the opposite of scal

[cobalt wharf]

i know the run left thing is mentioned a lot but before the twins change the only way to beat mayhem consistently was fallgodding so,, i much prefer how it is rn

[dull heart]

I spent hours trying to give ONE more attack to polter and failed

[hasty tangle]

kinda makes you wonder if throwing it all out and rewriting it would be faster

[barren nacelle]

Hey how do I make a commit to calpub GitHub I’m not a big GitHub guy how would I go about suggesting that

[dull heart]

If you clone to a GitHub you own, you can then make commits to a branch there and pull request the branch back into calamity

[dull heart]

It would

[barren nacelle]

Oh okaaay

[dull heart]

Polter is so simple

I could rewrite polter much easier

[lyric trellis]

Awesome strat of just falling left and nothing hits you ever

[dense sundial]

if you rewrite polter can you make it not drift so spastically

🥺

[pulsar cobalt]

polter was called the drift king back in college

ive been hit by it drifting way more than any other proper attack it does

[buoyant sun]

bro idk why but i feel so weak for moonlord took me about 5 mins to get past his 2 arms

[lyric trellis]

Polter is so 💔

[fringe coral]

quick ranking of all bosses I fought during my Brainstorm Revengeance run

[dense sundial]

i need to back up a lot before i forget something

[fierce hearth]

Ultimately my feelings on Exos is that I wish I could feel their roles in mecha mayhem instead of it being a bullet vomit phase. The Hunters chasing you down and trying to constantly peck at you to keep you from moving too fast, Thanatos cutting off avenues of escape and hammering you when you get sloppy, and Ares being a powerhouse that is terrifying if you let the other 3 box you in

[dense sundial]

why don't we just make aureus the SEA SPIDER from Armored Core 6

[dull heart]

No it's peak

[dense sundial]

i declare thee slop

[dull heart]

mid bait

I will not elaborate

[fringe coral]

not even bait, though i was playing rogue the whole playthrough

[dense sundial]

old duke above avatar

cryign

[fierce hearth]

The majority of times I get hit by Polterghast are when it's lining up its dash and its velocity goes absolutely bonkers and slams straight through me because it wants to be on the other side

[dull heart]

goodness wof really is so bad now

[dull heart]

skill issue

[fringe coral]

I just love predictive attacks like the brim laser and old duke dash

[grave geyser]

wof has always been ass

[dense sundial]

i appreciate the sentiment but is that really enough of a strength to put old duke above avatar

to be clear, i will not attempt to change your mind, i just don't get it

[fringe coral]

yes, avatar having a 20 second time to refight doesn't help

[dull heart]

no wof was just mid before

now it's like

Really bad

[fierce hearth]

If it at least telegraphed its desired destination maybe I would have some hope

[misty wren]

i think polterghast is the one boss that i can feasibly without changing any part of how i fight it

[dull heart]

you can feasibly what

[misty wren]

nohit

fuck

[fierce hearth]

LMAO

[dense sundial]

your honor, i object

[pulsar cobalt]

wow you sure can feasibly _ _!

[dull heart]

polter genuinely just needs one more attack to have an actual attack cycle and he'd be fine

[misty wren]

im so good at nohitting i can nohit the word nohit on complete accident

[dull heart]

not anything mind blowing but like

fine

[tropic jolt]

plantera 2

[hasty tangle]

any plans on making him enrage in hell btw

[fierce hearth]

Polterghast is so easy I would tierskip Prov to it and build a tiny arena to fight it in even though its aggression behavior was removed without me knowing

[hasty tangle]

cuz hes easy to lure down there and then just run away forever

[dense sundial]

make polter's hooks do concerted dashes roughly at you like the lifelight swords attack or something

[misty wren]

does polter not have the out of dungeon enrage anymore

[twin juniper]

dungeon guardian projectiles

[dense sundial]

polter has no enrage or despawn at all in 2.1

i think

[misty wren]

oh thats really funny

[fringe coral]

polterghast needs an attack to stop circling to be honest

[dull heart]

He leaves on surface still

[hasty tangle]

he still does on the surface

yeah

[boreal edge]

Polter hasn't enraged outside the Dungeon in like forever

[dull heart]

bosses that I think could be massively better with relatively minor tweaks:

• weaver
• signus
• void
• polter
• exos

but figuring out exactly what tweaks feel right is guh

[dense sundial]

• guards

[dull heart]

I have no opinion on guards as a fight

[dense sundial]

void is pretty much there already imo

[fierce hearth]

Signus would be minor fixes because there's so little there that adding a boss at all is minimal effort

[dull heart]

2.1 void sucks so bad it's so boring

[dense sundial]

the alternative is that it is janky

[dull heart]

void's 1 tweak I think it really needs is all of the DE to share one HP pool

[fierce hearth]

Void is very nothing of a fight yeah. Has some ideas but is too short and shallow

[dull heart]

So you can't just melt the one closet to you and sit still

[dense sundial]

oh wait yeah

[hasty tangle]

void becomes a worm boss

[fierce hearth]

lmao

What do you think Signus needs to be a boss?

[dull heart]

weaver phase 1 and phase 4 need help

phase 2 and 3 are Fine

Not great but Fine

[dull heart]

If I knew I would have already done it

[fierce hearth]

LMAO

[misty wren]

great time to get more mileage out of the image

[hasty tangle]

yep

[dense sundial]

i think p3 needs to retain the lightning on charge and not let all its timers overlap

[dull heart]

I don't think signus needs major changes to be a boss I just have no idea what minor changes

[fierce hearth]

You can do literally anything to Signus, there's nothing there. Start fresh. Create something original and beautiful.

[dull heart]

no I can't

[misty wren]

you can, if only you free your mind

[hasty tangle]

signus just has so little to his fight that i dont see what minor changes you could make to him to make him interesting

[fierce hearth]

I think this is a "other devs need to agree and its scope needs to be reasonable" situation

[hasty tangle]

or good

[buoyant sun]

bru i just feel like so stuck rn i do barely any damage and these bosses have so much hp

[misty wren]

if only you free your mind

[fierce hearth]

What boss you stuck on

[buoyant sun]

moon lord/deus, im ranger using phantasm bow with plantera arrows

[dense sundial]

signus should just be left alone until it can safely get a total overhaul

[dull heart]

signus in 2.1 got slightly less fake

[dense sundial]

by safely i mean once its tier is decided and mobility is flattened and allat

[misty wren]

any minor change to signus ends up being major change because the fight has like 3 things

[dull heart]

(now lanterns die in 3 hits instead of one)

void I think would be the easiest to fix

Then weaver

then polter

hmm

Actually no

• void

• polter

• weaver

• signus

[fierce hearth]

Sprouting arrows are hard to use, I recommend either learning the specific spacing to use them, or switching to a higher damage arrow that can hit harder without the positioning

[dense sundial]

@grave geyser can i have your tiermaker template

[buoyant sun]

any reccomendations?

[fierce hearth]

Venom is always a good choice

Just for raw damage

[misty wren]

ichor can also be helpful

[grave geyser]

https://tiermaker.com/create/all-calamity-mod-bosses-15633791 this is the one I used

[fierce hearth]

Against Deus you can use Cinder Arrows

[dull heart]

go my grape beer

with the uh

Scorched Earth

Scorched Earth with Grape Beer is funny

[grave geyser]

polter angers me to an irrational degree

because I know for a fact that there are enjoyable ways to fight polter its just that the fight makes zero attempt to actually encourage that manner of dodging

[buoyant sun]

venom?

[fierce hearth]

Venom arrows are high damage arrows crafted with vials of venom from the witch doctor

The debuff won't be very effective against Deus, but they are a good choice for Moon Lord

I think Cinder Arrows are best for Deus

[buoyant sun]

what are venoma rrows i looked on wiki

[fierce hearth]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Venom_Arrow

[dull heart]

Yup

Fabsol design in a nutshell

[buoyant sun]

ram dash not work against moon lord beam?

brfo also

the eye at the top is so annoying to fight

like i get the 2 hands first

then i have to get the eye it takes soo long

[fierce hearth]

Ramdash doesn't work against projectiles

[still bluff]

i was about to answer this

[buoyant sun]

nice

might have to get

[dull heart]

@still bluff can I have your tier maker template

[buoyant sun]

rod

[dull heart]

You should always focus on the top eye whenever it's open

[fierce hearth]

Also I've healed from DoG's fight, I can resume

[dull heart]

For now

[fierce hearth]

I sincerely doubt any of the other bosses will do that to me

[dull heart]

fight dog on malice and he will do it again

[grave geyser]

free until you give the desp phase laser walls I fear

[dull heart]

well uh

that will be very soon

[buoyant sun]

yo what happens after i kill his eye and 2 hands

does he get super sayain

[dull heart]

Hey guys

do you ever remember the steam workshop change notes page exists

[pulsar cobalt]

yea

[hearty horizon]

Okay the lighting change has entirely changed how I have to approach the Abyss and I fucking adore it

[dull heart]

I cooked with abyss lighting

[hearty horizon]

You absolutely did

[dull heart]

Such a happy accident

[dull heart]

definitely don't go check calamity change notes page

[hearty horizon]

I also just got the shit scared out of me by a bobbit worm because I was already on edge dodging Reaper Sharks lmfao

Literally shook my entire desk when I jumped

[grave geyser]

oh

[dull heart]

bobbit worms became so much more lethal

[pulsar cobalt]

oh ok.

[dull heart]

those who know

[hearty horizon]

Yeah because you can't see shit until the dude decides he wants to bite you in half

[dull heart]

yup

Hunter potions no longer cheese them

[hearty horizon]

It also seems like you get more air to compensate for having to take it a lot slower, which is definitely a good idea

Unless I'm just dumb and it's the same lol

[dull heart]

I don't think I touched air amount

but it's possible someone else did

[buoyant sun]

is this a good kit for moon lord/deus?

[hearty horizon]

It definitely feels like you get more time

[dull heart]

I would replace community with Absorber, Ambrosial Ampoule, or Celestial Shell

It's not really strong enough to be worth using over those at this stage

[buoyant sun]

anything else? also which one lwk ill be spending 10 minutes deciding which to get

[dull heart]

Absorber is my go to of the 3 but it's the most annoying to make

[fierce hearth]

I just realized that before 2.1 the best flask to use against Yharon that wasn't Crumbling (which I think would be the #1 choice for almost all loadouts) would've been venom which is funny

[dull heart]

Celestial Shell is the only one of the 3 with notable offensive stats

Absorber gives some but not a huge amount

And then Ambrosial Ampoule is amazing on deus, providence, and later bosses

[hard copper]

Ambrosial has an upgrade later, where as absorber is a dead end, if that matters to you

[dense sundial]

venom is now best by default because dr like, doesn't exist

[fierce hearth]

wrong! Holy flames was buffed enough that it does more damage even though he's resistant

It does more than 4x venom's dps

[dense sundial]

i was thinking of amalgam venom and not amalgam holy flames for some reason

[fathom girder]

that would be a team project for sure

[fierce hearth]

But yeah pre-brainstorm the best flasks were venom and crumbling, but now it's definitively holy flames without really any competition

[misty wren]

no

ichor flask

[dull heart]

ichor flask is mid

Venom is what, 60 DPS on yharon?

and holy flames is like, 75?

[grave geyser]

50

unless holy flames was buffed

[dull heart]

it was

150 dps now

[brisk spear]

wow

[grave geyser]

ic

ok so holy flames flask just completely stomps everything else lol

[brisk spear]

I need to continue my playthru, grinded to Moon Lord nonstop and quit right there

I need to make a good arena

[buoyant sun]

yeah bro where theseblighted slimes at lol

[dull heart]

Why does

Why does sulphur Poison only do 120

who was cooking

[buoyant sun]

anything i can shimm,er for blighted gel

[grave geyser]

that was a fair value back when gsi was 125

[dull heart]

why is hado pressure 200 too also what

hado pressure insane??

[violet meadow]

in hell not alot of mobs are spawning any reason for that

[dull heart]

if I had noticed this like 2 days ago...

[pulsar cobalt]

uhhhh reasons

[grave geyser]

on paper sure
in practice its just elemental mix again

because nothing relavent is actually weak to water

[misty wren]

yharon water weak when

if you've ever seen a bird get shot with a water gun its pretty effective

[dull heart]

oh is yharon not water weak ok

Perfect nvm

[misty solstice]

hes cold weak tho

like all birds

[dull heart]

yeah

voidfrost go brr

[misty solstice]

what even is a sickness weapon

[grave geyser]

od drops

[earnest jewel]

Yharon is obviously Fire/Dragon, water should be neutral.

[dense sundial]

?

[hearty horizon]

Anything from the Astral Infection, sulphur stuff

[earnest jewel]

Plague.

[misty solstice]

they migrate south for the winter

[grave geyser]

weak to cold and sickness though, cant be the case

[dense sundial]

right, all eleven thousand bird species migrate south for the winter

[earnest jewel]

Dragons aren't immune to cancer, that's whales.

[misty solstice]

sorry Im american

[steel pike]

What have I come back to

[misty solstice]

75% of our birds migrate for the winter

[earnest jewel]

The truth.

[steel pike]

True

[dull heart]

I mean

There's much less people with cancer in Wales than there is outside of wales

So true

[hard copper]

people live in whales???

[misty solstice]

that got a chuckle

nice job

[misty wren]

yeah that was a pretty big plot point in pinnochio

[dull heart]

haven't you heard of jonah

[steel pike]

And in the Bible but he didn’t like it there

[misty wren]

pinnochio was in the bible??

[steel pike]

jinx

[steel pike]

Close!!!

[dull heart]

1st Pinnochio 2:7 "I'm a real boy!"

[dense sundial]

looking at the other 25%, did you know that certain chickadees (which are like a few inches long) can hold a body temp of 108F when the environment is -20F

[rich ginkgo]

is yharon ever getting new sfx? not saying he necessarily needs it or anything but im just wondering what else is being changed along with his sprite

[misty solstice]

generally I dont look up bird facts

[dense sundial]

the point is that birds are not weak to cold

yharon is weak to cold because he's john fire (video game logic)

[misty solstice]

then why is he not weak to water

[dense sundial]

ask a dev idk

[misty solstice]

checkmate liberals

[steel pike]

LOL

[dull heart]

Yharon is weak to cold because I want him to be so stratus pops off

[pulsar cobalt]

because water isnt cold enough

[steel pike]

If yharon is weak to cold the amount of ice on my wrist should kill him instantly

[dull heart]

wait

[steel pike]

#justarua

[dull heart]

scions curio might be cracked with Virid Vanguard

Actually probably not

[pulsar cobalt]

no

[dense sundial]

with viral sprout?

[grave geyser]

not any more cracked than viral was

[pulsar cobalt]

summoners alr get innate irradiated with star tainted/nucleogenesis

sob

[grave geyser]

which is to say, not much

[dense sundial]

it's easy to forget how much random bullcrap summoner gets

[misty solstice]

summoner best class

[dull heart]

Scions Curio raises irradiated mult from +100% to +175%

[misty solstice]

also the easiest to make concept items for id imagine

[steel pike]

idk about dat as much as I like summoner

[pulsar cobalt]

why

[steel pike]

Def the funnest

To make items from

[dull heart]

Xyk rework

[grave geyser]

xyk thought it would be funny

[grim pecan]

xyk is right

[pulsar cobalt]

thats not funny

[misty solstice]

based?!?!!?

[pulsar cobalt]

i will blow up

thats fucking better than spine

[grave geyser]

everyone is doing themselves a disservice by not using scions on eater of worlds btw

its so funny

[misty solstice]

just like an unlisted combo

for no reason

[grave geyser]

everything is better than spine

spine is bad

[misty wren]

lead core

[misty solstice]

oh shit!

[hearty horizon]

Yeah, I really like the new Abyss lighting, it makes the place even more dangerous, but you can still make it through, you just have to be more cautious, Before, you could kinda just speed down to the bottom because, well, you can see everything, but now, you have to be really careful and actually pay attention, lest you faceplant into a Colossal Squid.

[misty solstice]

that was fucking rusty med

[grim pecan]

i can't believe people don't enjoy the corrosive spine rework i made in 10 minutes... i worked so hard on it

[misty solstice]

no wonder it seemed so familiar

[grave geyser]

funnier than spine so therefore better than spine

[pulsar cobalt]

one minion slot is worse for sage poison actually

[grave geyser]

ok but that assumes sage poison is 100% of your damage

it isnt

[misty solstice]

whyd you make it not rogue exlusive?

[misty wren]

its the expert exclusive isnt it

[grave geyser]

also fuel rod aura does annoyingly high damage even ignoring iradiated

so its still better

[pulsar cobalt]

fuel rod sucks

so does shadowflame and starburster core

[grave geyser]

spine sucks more :p

[grim pecan]

the less "on hit" effects rogue has the better. it was an accessory that didn't add anything to rogue, was annoying, and it being all class opens up the door for a more interesting rework later down the line

[hearty horizon]

I haven't gotten to that point yet lol

[pulsar cobalt]

"oh yea yknow these very strong debuffs just give them to an entire class"

why!!

[misty solstice]

I like it

[pulsar cobalt]

why is summoner the debuff class randomly!!!!

[grave geyser]

shadowflame isnt particularly strong tbf

[misty solstice]

status mage

[grave geyser]

15 is
fairly tame all things considered

[grim pecan]

even plasma rod which has phm shadowflame isn't really that great

[misty solstice]

I understand what youre saying. isnt this still an on hit effect though since it ads an effect on hit?

just instead of being possible incossitent dps its more consitent

[pulsar cobalt]

buffed in cal to 30,,,

[grave geyser]

what the fuck

[pulsar cobalt]

unless it got changed in 2.1

but im on mobile rn so i cant just control f the changelogs..

[grave geyser]

didnt see it

[misty solstice]

wrong chat twinothy

just cause no one responds prolly doesnt mean you should just post it to the wrong chat. Im not a mod tho

[hearty horizon]

Except for rn specifically against certain aquatic enemies (and Crawdads for some reason lol) because it's bugged and actively heals a lot of them if they're in water lmao

I thought Trashers randomly got given life regen at first and I was so confused

[ashen pivot]

anyone know what's being done to the lore items or are they staying the same

it'd be cool if we had sum like the bestiary but for all of the boss lore

[dense sundial]

@grave geyser whatchu think

this feels a little deranged fsr but i'm tired

i like where golem is

[ashen pivot]

what the hell is this tier list

the only placements that make sense are BoC and DoG

[steel pike]

What kind of tierlist has a fucking canyon in it

😭😭😭

this is killing me

[ashen pivot]

fabsol's canyon should be below train wreck

and half of the bosses (assuming ur in basecal) should be in that tier

[grave geyser]

king slime to me is very nothing

skele is the other one I really dont agree with
the fight just does not have anything going on anymore, he does the funny little charge attack and thats about it

[wise bolt]

:(

[wary igloo]

acceptable is a word that is mean by accident

[steel pike]

dude made astrum frown thats a feat that needs an apology

[polar tide]

ceaseless void above providence is fucking. INSANE

[arctic cliff]

the providence to the left of ceaseless:

[grave geyser]

meh
golem is still really bad I cant lie

its better than it was but like

[dull heart]

this is vibes

not the right vibes

but vibes

[steel pike]

what isn’t ludicrous about this

[dull heart]

crab bottom 1

[grave geyser]

no that one is very agreeable

crab is genuenely horrendus rn

[deep heart]

providence is the best boss of the mod

[dull heart]

fun fact: if evil smasher was finished 12 hours earlier it would be in 2.1.2

[steel pike]

then why isn’t it called providence mod huh

[deep heart]

it should be

[dull heart]

l take

[deep heart]

ur an l take

[deep heart]

also

[dull heart]

hardest boss in calamity mod: having fun

[grave geyser]

only because the take doesnt specify night provi :p

[deep heart]

pbg above providence

is

criminal

[deep heart]

both

night time is miles better

obviously

[dull heart]

night provi is so good

[deep heart]

but base providence is still very good

[dull heart]

I need to do a full fight of it

I wonder how long workshop approval will take

[grave geyser]

probably awhile

[deep heart]

probably 12 hours

like it usually does

[grave geyser]

I'm willing to bet most people who do that verifying stuff are asleep

[deep heart]

theres probably workers all around to prevent something like that

[dull heart]

Probably not

[steel pike]

#

[dull heart]

[deep heart]

my takes are always correct

and the best way to have fun

therefore

my opinions are objective

[dull heart]

The best way to have fun is to...

go watch cosmic princess kaguya of course

[deep heart]

what

genuinenly never heard of that

[dull heart]

It's peak

[deep heart]

the first result

that comes up

on google

[steel pike]

Doze I am making fucked up emoji combinations again and it’s your fault

[deep heart]

when i search that up is

"cosmic princess kaguya yuri"

i think im good

[dull heart]

lol??

[polar tide]

bro is afraid of yuri

[ashen pivot]

[deep heart]

well not first

but third

but still its funny

[dull heart]

okay and

[polar tide]

damn its not even the first result and you're still afraid of it

[ashen pivot]

i'm afraid of any weird ass search result

[steel pike]

yuri related ptsd

[thorn pier]

ngl the ending felt so weird

[dull heart]

oh no there's a lesbian couple oh no

[ashen pivot]

doesn't matter if it's first or last

[thorn pier]

it felt so rushed

[deep heart]

the and is they dont look like adults

and yuri is a sexualization term

[thorn pier]

didnt get any real feel from it

[polar tide]

how is "yuri" a weird ass search result is this your first day on the internet

[polar tide]

girl

[ashen pivot]

i don't think of it as that

[dull heart]

yuri is not inherently sexual

[deep heart]

it is isn't it?

[polar tide]

no???

[ashen pivot]

unless u weren't talm to me then i'll shut up

[steel pike]

elyas fought lesbians back in Vietnam so it triggers his ptsd

[dull heart]

Yuri and yaoi animes are not inherently sexual at all it literally just means lesbian and gay lol

[ashen pivot]

i'm a he.

[steel pike]

you sound like awkwafina

Freddie what is you talm bout

my fault

[polar tide]

yuri isnt inherently sexual even if we were strictly talking about the japanese anime/manga genre of Yuri

[ashen pivot]

it's all good

[deep heart]

oh ok

[dull heart]

yeah

[deep heart]

i thought it was

thats my bad

[steel pike]

something something calamity update

[dull heart]

bc yeah the main character is

a high schooler

[steel pike]

Holy fuck look who’s typing

Elyas run

[dull heart]

but the show has nothing at all sexual in it

[deep bough]

what the hell

[ashen pivot]

AAAHHHHH

scam!!

[steel pike]

RUN!!!

[dull heart]

That's such a funny timing

[steel pike]

LOL

[deep bough]

yuri timing

[dull heart]

For the scammer named yuri

[deep heart]

it has good ratings

ill check it out on my free time

[thorn pier]

its alright tbh

nothing special

[dull heart]

It's peak ignore them

[ashen pivot]

@vivid ridge heeelppp

[steel pike]

im so fucking scared

[ashen pivot]

is that how i do it

[polar tide]

LMFAOO?!?!?!?!!?

THE TIMING!?!?!

[dull heart]

ikr

Of all the scammers

[steel pike]

I KNOW

[ashen pivot]

something something else remove galactica singularity something something calamity update

[thorn pier]

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

wow

[dull heart]

i wish I had time to rewatch cosmic princess kaguya

[steel pike]

embed fail

[dull heart]

2 and a half hours is a lot of time for me to set aside in my current schedule

[thorn pier]

u can just skip the ending

make it 2 hours

[dull heart]

L take

[thorn pier]

why was it so rushed

[dull heart]

the ending was literally built up the entire movie

[thorn pier]

legit a timeskip then bam movie ended

i was bummed out ngl

[dull heart]

like so many things built up to it

I noticed even more on a rewatch

[polar tide]

i really want to stay up and play ultrakill but i have class in the morning the moral is never go to college

[dull heart]

stay up and play roots instead

[steel pike]

I wish I was high on potenus

[thorn pier]

ok wait the plot twist was actually good

i just didnt like the timeskip that much

[dull heart]

fair

The timeskip was the weakest part but it didn't feel that out of place to me

[wise bolt]

[thorn pier]

it makes sense unfortunately since its just a movie and they cant cramp everything up there

[dull heart]

I'm glad it was a movie and not a series tbh

Unless they pulled an Oshi No Ko and made the pilot an hour and a half long lool

[thorn pier]

[polar tide]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dull heart]

I tried to rewatch Oshi no Ko in preparation for s3 and when I clicked on season 1

[thorn pier]

Calamity 2.2: Roots Crossover

[dull heart]

And saw the 90 minute episode

i did something else bc I don't have time for that

[grave geyser]

yknow how people sometimes talk about certain fights describing them as a choreographed dance

night provi is like the only one where that actually feels true to me

when you're dodging the boss correctly theres no awkward movement getting into position for the next attack because if you're positioning well you're already there by the time the attack ends

but at the same time it never feels like the attack is dodging itself because small movement differences over the course of the fight can lead to putting you in positions you havent previously found yourself in

its a fight that I think really benefits from rdr, as weird as that sounds

[thorn pier]

what if u skipped ep 1 🤔

[steel pike]

Have yall watched the movie nope

[thorn pier]

nope

[dull heart]

Normal provi feels this way with Gilded Proboscis and it's why Gilded Proboscis is peak

[dull heart]

Ep 1 is the best part

[polar tide]

THIS is why the globs in prov's fight bother me so much

[thorn pier]

gilded proboscis when its perfectly designed

[steel pike]

noooo

you have to

[thorn pier]

gilded proboscis CANT ever change

[dull heart]

gilded proboscis is the best item to ever item and I'm definitely not biased mhm

[steel pike]

luminous papaya ass name

[polar tide]

provi is like a dance and it feels great but then the stupid globs are like having to navigate around a wet spot on the floor with your partner

[dull heart]

see

I just don't use an arena

problem solved

[grave geyser]

real?

wrong reply

[deep heart]

whats gilded proboscis

[dull heart]

if there's nowhere for globs to get in my way

[grave geyser]

folly spear

[deep heart]

oh ok

[dull heart]

then I don't have to dodge them

[thorn pier]

u should use it sometimes

[polar tide]

true. still think the globs should be executed mafia style though

[dull heart]

I am surprised at how hard it is for people to intuit how to use Gilded Proboscis though

[deep heart]

if i was melee

[dull heart]

Executed or reworked to be good

[grave geyser]

I have been thinking about globs as a "ok but what if they were a big pillar of flame" for a little bit now

[deep heart]

i might try true melee if i have free time left

after this run

[dull heart]

like if they actually stopped you from rungodding instead of encouraging it

[deep heart]

it seems fun

maybe

[thorn pier]

it is fun

doze has a vid showcasing it

[dull heart]

true I do

[deep heart]

yeah but it doesnt have the cool flashy attacks

that mage has

thats the only reason i chose mage

thats a bit of a bummer

[dull heart]

True melee has flashy attacks

[steel pike]

Where do you get guilded proboscis

[deep heart]

its never gonna match the awesomeness of some of the mage weapons

[dull heart]

Dragonfolly

[steel pike]

Ohh

[thorn pier]

the first time i saw that vid i thought right click scaled with movement speed

[dull heart]

This fight is genuinely the most fun I've had in calamity probably except maybe doing solar psycho provi

https://youtu.be/ZswnVjO9Skg

[polar tide]

if you can rework those stupid little shitlets to flow well with the rest of the fight and be fun rather than irritating and cheap then be my guest (this sounds sarcastic but im being genuine i prommy)

[steel pike]

shitlets

stealing that

[thorn pier]

what if u just tank them

[deep heart]

fighting in brimstone craigs and above 30 fps

🥹

[dull heart]

Actually this fight might be less fun than malice dog

[deep heart]

maybe the amount of content mods i added was too much

[dull heart]

I think my fun moments in calamity ranking is

1. Malice Dog
2. Solar Psycho Provi
3. Gilded Proboscis Provi

[thorn pier]

tbf new gilded proboscis also fit inf guards perfectly

[dull heart]

gilded proboscis was an accident low-key

[thorn pier]

how 🤔

[dull heart]

Originally it was only the alt fire with no charge attack

But I didn't wanna force people to move always

So I came up with the primary fire

[thorn pier]

save of the century

[dull heart]

And then made it cancel endlag into the alt fire

And it just feels so good

While Gilded Proboscis is not my most interesting or flashy weapon I've made, I 100% think it's my best designed one

[dull heart]

what

Perforator top 1 what

[deep heart]

providence not on s tier bad tierlist

[ashen pivot]

i swear i be seeing the worst tier lists of ALL TIME on this server

FAWK you mean ceaseless void in S tier

[dull heart]

CV is great

[deep heart]

ceaseless void is not a bad fight

[grave geyser]

cultist in s what are we doing

[ashen pivot]

A tier at best and that's in infernum

[misty solstice]

its a good fight and its got a good sound track with a great progression point

[ashen pivot]

high B tier in basecal

[deep heart]

its good in and out of

[dull heart]

Cultist is great he's just suffering from the entire game being too easy to tank tbh

[ashen pivot]

i've understood how he works recently

[lean relic]

CV is not a bad fight unless you are at ftw+

[dull heart]

And Cultist needs 2 other fixes

[misty solstice]

I enjoy his fight. its got a nice soundtrack, intresting mechanics, its a good barrier to another point of progression

[dull heart]

to ancient doom and ritual

The most wild one to me here is signus I think

[grave geyser]

signus s is insane yeah

[misty solstice]

no ones questioning deerclops or destroyer in e

[deep heart]

ravager old duke and duke on bottom tiers

though

[lyric trellis]

Signus S ⁉️

[deep heart]

honestly

thats so valid

[dull heart]

signus is just a corite with a boss theme

[misty solstice]

I enjoy signus

Id give him bottom of s tbh

[ashen pivot]

deerclops doesn't make sense but FUCK destroyer's sky bombs in infernum and FUCK his probes in basecal

[deep heart]

deerclops is cool i think

destroyers

kinda boring

[dull heart]

Deerclops in 2.1 is fine yea

[deep heart]

pbg not on bottom tier

bad tierlist

[dull heart]

peakbg tbh

[misty solstice]

readjusted

[dull heart]

Actuallyh

[polar tide]

bait

[deep heart]

deluded

ragebait

[dull heart]

I don't think I've even fought PBG in 2.1

[misty solstice]

its not

[polar tide]

still bait

[dull heart]

PBG was great in 2.0.1

[misty solstice]

this is my honest dogshit opinion

[deep heart]

me neither but from my previous experiences its ragebait

[grave geyser]

still doesnt have functioning hitboxes so its still bad I fear

[dull heart]

died in 2.0.4

[polar tide]

well i respect that u own it

[dull heart]

pbg in 2.1 got a bunch of her bad BH changes reverted

[misty solstice]

I value fights more for how much I want to do them

[deep heart]

hm

[misty solstice]

I genuinly dont enjoy eoc or evil 1

[deep heart]

ill have to check it then

[misty solstice]

but I do respect the work that went into brain with the brainstorm

[dull heart]

She still suffers from the visibility plague though

[misty solstice]

and can say its a good boss

[misty solstice]

suffers from a lot of issues

[dull heart]

visibility is the #1 one

[misty solstice]

major one being that the boss is just jump

like there is no fight

[polar tide]

run and jump

[misty solstice]

you just jump upwards

[dull heart]

you say that and put signus in S??

[grave geyser]

pbg needs the minions to matter I think

[misty solstice]

deerclops has like 2 attacks and a mediocre song

[ashen pivot]

gonna post my tier list here in a few seconds but first a bit of context

[dull heart]

I do think most of PBGs minions are like

[polar tide]

pbg is one of the biggest rungod victims in the mod in my humble onion

[dull heart]

this is literally just a song tier list tbh tbh

[steel pike]

I think you should wait

[misty solstice]

its a feeling tierlist

[ashen pivot]

this is in infernum and deerclops/dreadnautilus were bosses that i didn't fight so don't ask why they're missing

[steel pike]

that last tierlist still is

lingering in my head rn

[ashen pivot]

bit spicy

[misty solstice]

infernum. opinion denied

[dull heart]

idk most bosses are

[misty solstice]

lame

[steel pike]

I still can’t get over he put a fucking canyon in his tierlist

Who the fuck does that bro it’s so funny

[ashen pivot]

oh THAT tierlist

[dull heart]

I mean not wrong

[steel pike]

I’ve never seen that shit before I’m still giggling about it

What tierlist are you talking abt

[dull heart]

well except golem being above the canyon

[steel pike]

Did I miss one

[ashen pivot]

most recent tier list

yes you did

[grave geyser]

yeah idk why golem was up there lol

[ashen pivot]

mf posted sum bs ass tier list with signus in S tier

[polar tide]

pbg in particular just sticks out to me. the way you can completely dodge the nuke barrage attack or wahtever its claled by just running is so funny and sad

[misty solstice]

signus is a fun and fight to a point of progression

[steel pike]

Oh yeah I saw

[misty solstice]

with a good soundtrack

[dull heart]

boss tier list

SS tier - dog, Cultist, ravager
B tier - brain
F tier - everything else

[ashen pivot]

big purple corite

[deep heart]

?

wait this is ragebait

i fell for it so fast

[steel pike]

what abt scal

[deep heart]

oh my god

[grave geyser]

there is zero bias detected

[ashen pivot]

boss tier list

[steel pike]

ph wait

Me too

Fuck

[misty solstice]

I can respect it

[steel pike]

If someone told me there was gullible written on the ceiling I’d look

[polar tide]

okay doze lets get you to bed

[dull heart]

This list is just about how much work I did on them in 2.1 lol

[steel pike]

ohhh

[deep heart]

is ravager really saved

[dull heart]

no

[deep heart]

🥹

[polar tide]

someday

[dull heart]

but it's better

[steel pike]

isn’t that that ugly ass pillager monster from Minecraft

[dull heart]

Still bottom 5

[misty solstice]

Im sorry that I dont like my game looking like this

[ashen pivot]

guys i'm posting my infernum boss tier list

prepare for MID

[polar tide]

TOUHOU MENTIONED

[deep heart]

why not

[steel pike]

isn’t loading

[misty solstice]

because if I wanted to play touhou I would play touhou

[dull heart]

Actually in that tier list I lied

[ashen pivot]

be grateful this shit is fucking BRIGHT

[misty solstice]

I hate infernum

[dull heart]

Brain should be D tier I did almost nothing

[deep heart]

you should play touhou

[grave geyser]

you litterally put scal in s

[misty solstice]

I have

[steel pike]

that’s not a terrible ranking

[polar tide]

this is literally one of her easier spell cards to dodge too lol

[steel pike]

I mean she is what the mod is named after

[ashen pivot]

mimimimimi i hate infernum well that's TOO DAMN BAD

[misty solstice]

I know

[steel pike]

or is it the other way around

[deep heart]

is this infernum tierlist

[ashen pivot]

oh yeah

[misty solstice]

Ive played all the way to 15

[ashen pivot]

yes

[deep heart]

why is pbg anywhere but d tier

[ashen pivot]

the boss order is NOT from worst to best

i just put it in progression order

[misty solstice]

Im a little bit hard stuck in 15

[steel pike]

Ohhh

[ashen pivot]

because i have undiagnosed OCD (or something)

[dull heart]

Infernum sucks because it doesn't have basecal dog

[grave geyser]

yeah it does