calamity-update-talk

[primal badge]

There are like

basically none

[misty solstice]

true

[proper thunder]

the only dart weapons got fucking shattered in 1.4.5

[misty solstice]

we need anas dart gun from ow1

[primal badge]

and 1.4.5 nerfed basically all darts

[proper thunder]

[dull heart]

I want dart so bad

Hey

Grape Beer and cursed dart together

Very funny

[primal badge]

how would it work here

would it just be a dart gun with a short DoT

[misty solstice]

freeze effect

[low bone]

Guys what best class in calamity rn? Summoner feels kinda ass better then rogue tho

[primal badge]

oh like the sleep dart you mean

[misty solstice]

both would be cool

[hard copper]

A summon weapon thats a gun could be cool, and you shoot your summons to empower them

[proper thunder]

summoner is always the best class even if its the worst class #stardustpilled

[misty solstice]

would be a sentry W

[dull heart]

summoner

[misty solstice]

summoner is one of the better classes

[dull heart]

summoner has some hilarious items rn

[primal badge]

This idea sounds so funny I need it

[dull heart]

namely

Dreadmine Staff and Spider Staff

are both quite silly

dreadmine is on par with cadaverous carrion lol

[misty solstice]

I havent even hit hardmode in brainstorm

[honest trail]

Are you going to do that nerf?

[misty solstice]

I dont wanna kill the guife

[dull heart]

i have fixed the bug that made it spawn 4x the amount of mines

[low bone]

Idk about this like pre update pre yahron i could do like 45-50k dps now its barely 20k

[halcyon seal]

How it feels when Spider Staff is one of the best summons for Moon Lord

[dull heart]

so 2.1.2 will fix it

[halcyon seal]

Has anyone tested it on Provi

[misty solstice]

have you tested every weapon?

[honest trail]

what?????

[misty solstice]

cause to my understanding its still doing the higher end of dps

[low bone]

Yeah im testing like everything

[halcyon seal]

Ok so your DPS got cut by 50%, what about every other weapon

Also are you testing on actual bosses

Or dummies

[hard copper]

Can Ana empower like allies that? Or is it just healing idr, its been 5 years since Ive played OW

[misty solstice]

healing from what I remember

[primal badge]

Does her ultimate count

[misty solstice]

everythings damage got lowered twinmothy

[primal badge]

The main weapon is just healing/damage

[misty solstice]

(not everything for those who will correct me)

[low bone]

Both, and im using minion mixing

[halcyon seal]

So what are your kill times

[halcyon seal]

Yes

[hard copper]

True yeah, thats what I was thinking of

[prisma cipher]

huh

[honest trail]

That's why there were so many

[halcyon seal]

You can still stack whip effects like Snapthorn though

[misty solstice]

kinda

[halcyon seal]

That’ll be removed in 1.4.5, obviously

[prisma cipher]

wonder how cnidarian bug works with whip stacking

considering cnidarian gives 2 tag damage

and can be used simultaneously as whips

[halcyon seal]

The hell is cnidarian bug

[misty solstice]

if it were to be added itd be something like damage and then left click could give maybe potion buff

[deft lily]

hi users

[prisma cipher]

this

[misty solstice]

make it like a mp weapoon

[halcyon seal]

So it follows the trajectory of your whip?

[prisma cipher]

no it just exists like cnidarian would normally

but you can use other items

[misty solstice]

OFMG WE GOT A SOMA PRIME BUFF

[honest trail]

lol

why there is so many bug about can use items both

[fathom girder]

It got a buff?

was the shred buffed or sumn

[fathom girder]

oh yeah wow

[misty solstice]

it got reworked

but it is an overall buff

[fathom girder]

It's now more in-line with how soma works in warframe

and yea that's notably stronger lul

[misty solstice]

yuh

I might have to go to hardmode just for this

[prisma cipher]

seemingly both the effect from cnidarian and a whip coexists

isnt that neat

[dull heart]

huh?

[misty solstice]

also did dawnlight get a resprite?

[prisma cipher]

no

shush

away

with you

go back to your hole

[dull heart]

oh wait

[prisma cipher]

dont fix cnidarian

[dull heart]

i thought you meant cnidarian summon tag was stacking

with whips summon tag

[prisma cipher]

i was

but i tested with like

squirrel squire staff that was dealing 30 damage

[dull heart]

the video you just sent was not that

[prisma cipher]

so may just have been damage variable

[dull heart]

yeah

probably waas

[prisma cipher]

dont fix pleas

[dull heart]

idc enough to fix that

too busy fixing the swarmer

[prisma cipher]

LETS GO

[dull heart]

not benefitting from hive pack + losing bee stacking = lame and lame

[cobalt wharf]

the flying knife bug again

[dull heart]

benefitting from hive pack + bee stacking = cool and cool

[grave rock]

hiii

[dull heart]

anything else that needs to benefit from hive pack while i'm at it?

[rare tinsel]

beehives?

[grave rock]

what cal bosses can queen bee beat

[misty solstice]

you know what I love. the enchanted knife summon disapearing

[dull heart]

plaguenades need it

[primal badge]

I forgot plaguenades existed,,,,

[dull heart]

im sure more does

[misty solstice]

checking rn

[native thistle]

death scal is brutal jeez

[grave rock]

is queen bee lowkey free damage on provi

[dull heart]

the bee

[misty solstice]

its master mode so

[native thistle]

the brothers are my biggest issue currently

[grave rock]

lets talk about the calamity queen bee meta

[icy stump]

Doze, can you check the video? Is a Flare Bolt-Mana Polarizer thing

[misty solstice]

The hive

[fathom girder]

old lord claymore and get molten armor

tank that mfer

[grave rock]

no like

weaponized queen bee

[fathom girder]

...uh

you lost me

[hard copper]

peanut butter gamer

[misty solstice]

man I couldve swore there was a book that summoned bees

[amber sparrow]

What happened to the stormjaw staff? I'm looking for in in the recipe browser and I dont see it or anything resembling it

[misty solstice]

still exist

cant be crafted

[dull heart]

it was never craftable

[misty solstice]

mhm

[amber sparrow]

maybe I was using an addon that made it craftable

[dull heart]

at least not within the last few years

[lean relic]

After all those reworks and changes, Miracle Matter weapon series feels pretty weak now
they need rework ‼️ ‼️

[misty solstice]

to my understanding it never could

though people do have mods that make calamity items craftable so I put that litte note in there

[hard copper]

The star bees from deific and rampart maybe

Nvm, 2.1 changelogs say it already does

[icy stump]

How broken would be an alcohol that gives an x1.5 for current drop chances but enemies wouldn't drop money? (For example, RoD in expert would be 3%)

[high scaffold]

I absolutely love the new wulfrum tiles andnfurniture

Honestly wulfrum is only a few steps away from being the most polished part of the mod

[fossil parrot]

how do you get the opposite evil biome key now? it's not dropping from WoF

[icy stump]

Biome mimic

You can create an underground area with that biome and use Bloody Mary

[high scaffold]

I would love to see wulfrum enemies get updated

Maybe one or two new ones

[fathom girder]

There's enough variety- not to mention they're basic on purpose

They're shitty scrapmetal robots

[high scaffold]

Their ai is sometimes stupid

Too stupid at that

[fathom girder]

They are the lowest possible quality robots you can make

[high scaffold]

To a point where ground robots can go up one tile

[pulsar cobalt]

id say theres too little variety

or more specifically

[dull heart]

wow theres a lot of bees that didn't get hive pack

[pulsar cobalt]

two of them are just copy pastes

[high scaffold]

But just resprites with minor ai tweaks would satisfy me enough

[fathom girder]

hm

ig I never paid much attention to them

[high scaffold]

Ive got an absolutely crazy idea rn

[fathom girder]

betcha you could toss the idea in either a suggestion or a balance request

[high scaffold]

A wulfrum mount mobile turret that is has one big rolling ball for movement a seat on top of it to the back and a gun in front of the seat

[misty solstice]

yur

would be awesome if they got fixed

[fathom girder]

I wonder if the scrapmetal nature of them could lend to more synergy between the robots

instead of only that one wulfrum sentry buffing the other wulfrum enemies

[high scaffold]

Literaly just fables

[fathom girder]

great minds think alike what can I say

[misty solstice]

we got the wulfrum tank

[high scaffold]

Do I bless you all with my beautiful concept art made in paint in like 8 minutes?

Yall are not prepared for what youre about to see

[tropic jolt]

👀

[high scaffold]

Introduce you to the Wulfrum rolling turret

[steel pike]

Honestly

Kinda cool

[dull heart]

good news ;)

[steel pike]

I fw it

[high scaffold]

Proud to say that no ai was used in creation of that image

[steel pike]

Mounts that could fire shit has been a want I’ve had for a long time

[tropic jolt]

🥹 its peak

[high scaffold]

The next step is I could try sprite mashing

[dull heart]

I added Hive Pack support to:

• Alchemical Decanter
• The Swarmer
• The Hive
• Plaguenade
• Virili
• Fuel Cell Bundle

[misty solstice]

promise

[high scaffold]

Yipe

[dull heart]

which should be every bee thing that was missing it

[misty solstice]

HIVE IS VIABLE AGAIN!!!!

[fathom girder]

Hive pack decanter combo will go crazy

easily

[dull heart]

plague hive revival...

if you want maximum beeage

[high scaffold]

If only hive pack had a hm upgrade

[pulsar cobalt]

well we tried that once already

[dull heart]

Decanter + Deific + Plaguebringer Armor + Virili + Fuel Cell Bundle + The Swarmer

[dull heart]

it does not need it

[fathom girder]

Hive pack's boosts seem rather fine tuned for each bee synergy

[dull heart]

Hive Pack performed as well as Sigil of Calamitas on the swarmer

[fathom girder]

like it doesn't need a hm upgrade cuz doze can apply its upgrades to bee things fit accordingly fropm the look of it

[dull heart]

in my tests

[lapis oak]

I actually forgot Flask got renamed to Decanter

Like genuinely forgot holy shut

[dull heart]

Decanter gets

• 9 -> 12 bees on hit
• 7 -> 6 frame seeker cooldown

[grim pecan]

are you done adding support or is this only the beeginning

[icy stump]

It would be better an alcohol that potenciates bees even more

[high scaffold]

Hive pack but green, its absolutely identical to regular but is plague themed

[dull heart]

everything bee has support now

[fathom girder]

12 bees is neato

[dull heart]

as far as I'm aware

[grim pecan]

let me have my pun doze

[dull heart]

no.

[grim pecan]

:(

[dull heart]

Toxic Heart give hive pack effects when

[unique warren]

What if instead of bees they were dees

[dull heart]

(that would be so broken)

[fathom girder]

any idea when that patch will release cuz I wanna bees

[dull heart]

depends on how quickly the crash bug gets fixed

[pulsar cobalt]

actually thatd be peak

[fathom girder]

ogey

[grave geyser]

some kind of plague hive...

[dull heart]

virili got the most lame boost of them all

[pulsar cobalt]

rename it from toxic heart to like uhh

[unique warren]

Girl u said no Plague Hive

[pulsar cobalt]

the goliaths heart

[dull heart]

just flat out 1.167x dmg bc i didn't wanna dig in her AI

[lapis oak]

Giving you a Toxic Heart transplant would be peak

[dull heart]

and that's how much hornet gets boosted by

[fathom girder]

nahhh hive pack should stay as THE mainstay bee buff tool

it's an expert item

[pulsar cobalt]

ill kill you

[hoary sorrel]

yo why cant i spawn Astrum Deus?? he keeps despawning after i try to summon him

[dull heart]

Swarmer also got a bunch of other changes too

[pulsar cobalt]

wat if we gave hive pack an upgrade but it didnt do anything aside from allow plague bees be upgraded

so people can figure out it synergises

[blazing field]

expert item !

dont give it upgrades !

kill everyone !

[dull heart]

• 3 -> 2 bee/wasps per shot
• bees and wasps use 5 static iframes and can pierce

[high scaffold]

Actualy I already have ideas of what items I want to use for sprite mashing for my Wulfrum rolling turret comcept

[pulsar cobalt]

instead of hive pack saying it buffs stuff from 10 tiers later

[pulsar cobalt]

already a precedent thats been broken

tupid

idiot

[blazing field]

Aren't they changing those

[dull heart]

and hive pack on swarmer:

• 2 to 3 bees/wasps per shot
• wasps get +5 damage and +5 AP
• bees get big bees (same as vanilla)

[earnest jewel]

Hive Pack should be upgraded into Swarm Pack which adds even more, stronger bees so we can be bees. This is good news.

[dull heart]

no

hive pack should not upgrade

[hoary sorrel]

ayo help pls

[earnest jewel]

This is not good news. How will we be bees?

[dull heart]

hive pack boosting the star "bees" from deific is so funny to me

[blazing field]

Just make it so there's a tooltip that can be expanded with shift that shows all weapons that it applies to

That way it isn't

Cluttering ur screen

[dull heart]

also

good news

[pulsar cobalt]

one is def dying (bloody worm scarf) and the others final upgrade is Cool™️ now

[dull heart]

for once i did a perfectly balanced rework

The Swarmer got 3:53 on moon lord

3:54 with hive pack instead of Sigil of Cal

if you didn't use Mana Flower instead of Sigil of Cal it would skyrocket in power

[fathom girder]

tbh I think the expert accessories should act like the stones

[lyric trellis]

Welcome back Plague hive

[fathom girder]

mainstay accessories that can always be useful in a run but exist as their own thing

[pulsar cobalt]

wat stones

[fathom girder]

chaos stone

life stone

[pulsar cobalt]

oh

[fathom girder]

or hell this isn't a stone but mana polarizer NAILS this idea

[dull heart]

chaos, bloom, aero, cryo

[pulsar cobalt]

also its bloom not life

[fathom girder]

sorry

[pulsar cobalt]

also cryo sucks ngl

[dull heart]

cryo needs help

the other stones are good

[fathom girder]

Cryo is still kinda weird but it at least buffs cold damage ig

[dull heart]

cryo should be a defensive stone i think

build up a cryo shield

[lyric trellis]

Almost forgot bloom stone isn’t a bottom 3 accessory anymore

[fierce hearth]

Hi I'm awake again I'm sorry for the adrenaline hate rant last night

[pulsar cobalt]

bloom stone is so weird

its defensive and mobility at the same time

[dull heart]

anyway now my lunch break is over

most productive lunch break ever

bees '

[pulsar cobalt]

bees

[lyric trellis]

Eating bees

[fathom girder]

A simple idea but it would help true melee or general tank builds pretty well, if it simply acts like an early/mid hardmode sponge

though it wouldn't be a mainstay given uh. sponge

lul

[drowsy turret]

why does grape beer not reduce crit chance for me

[pulsar cobalt]

try reading again

[drowsy turret]

oh okay

lol

thank you

[dull heart]

they'd stack tbf

[drowsy turret]

moonshine is goated

kinda

[fathom girder]

Perhaps. Maybe it can grant regen or something whilst a shield is up? Just kinda throwing ideas your way lul

[amber latch]

Why'd they remove the Ice Turtle Shell recipe
Literally had to spend 2 hours grinding for one to drop, the recipe was so much better from a QoL standpoint

[steel pike]

the hand of god is typing

[fathom girder]

and it's about qolslop

Spend your time farming that's what terraria's all about

Build up a farm

do something interesting

it ain't a speedrun

[pulsar cobalt]

use the fifteen spawn increasers they give you

[halcyon seal]

If you want qol you could just add a qol mod

[halcyon seal]

Calamity is trying to move away from being an “everything mod”

Ok let’s not dogpile them

[amber latch]

None of the qol mods have it specifically because Calamity used to have it

[earnest jewel]

Uh, there is one that does.

[fathom girder]

you can use cheatsheet if it's really that annoying

[halcyon seal]

There’s a mod by a cal dev that adds back old qol

[earnest jewel]

The mod that reimplements the removed Calamity QoL.

[fathom girder]

I have cheatsheet on the backup for when farms are a pain in the ass

[amber latch]

I want to do interesting things
that's the point
Farming a rare enemy for a 2% drop for 2 hours isn't interesting or fun.

[halcyon seal]

I always have dragonlens enabled for when random bugs pop up

[amber latch]

But at least with a crafting recipe there's some effort.

[halcyon seal]

Except zergs and Bloody Marys and blood moons exist

[earnest jewel]

But it removes most of the reason to play the game.

[halcyon seal]

If you just use base spawn rates of course it’s gonna take forever

[earnest jewel]

Which is the main problem people have with Calamity.

[proper thunder]

i though zergs were nuked lowk

[pulsar cobalt]

dont forget chaos candles and the other vanilla ones, battle pot and water candle

[fathom girder]

Bloody mary was added as another farming option

that thing is fun

[amber latch]

I was chugging zergs for the 2 hours it took me to get one to drop
And that's even with Thorium which adds another enemy that drops it at a higher rate

[fathom girder]

Check out bloody mary

it's an alcohol that also buffs spawnrates

[proper thunder]

or build a mob farm

[misty solstice]

first thing I always farm is imps and sharks

[amber latch]

mod name? Sounds lowkey like a sanity saver

[misty solstice]

like right off the bat

[earnest jewel]

I don't remember, never used it. I think it has 'restored' in the name.

[misty solstice]

copper pic? yeah we minning to hell with that

[proper thunder]

i want them to remove more qol because why does the mod that doubles the content take half the time of the base game

[pulsar cobalt]

just type calamity qol in workshop

[proper thunder]

it doesnt make sense at all

[hard copper]

You could also use cheat sheet, the best qol mod

[amber latch]

Calamity adds content time, base game has repetitive farming time

[pulsar cobalt]

thats hilarious

[proper thunder]

farming time is content, sorry

[misty solstice]

I feel like I should post the sticker again

[proper thunder]

i don’t want everything handed to me

[misty solstice]

thanks avacado

yeah idk how to say this

but dont play likew

any mmo ever

[tropic jolt]

[amber latch]

Yeah
I don't
For the above reasons
Farming for drops for hours is not an enjoyable gameplay loop imo

[proper thunder]

terraria was built around farming and grinding for the best loot, dont wanna grind? thats okay, you get worse loot

[vivid hemlock]

ive never had an issue with farming tbh

[misty solstice]

you should play touhou

its like terraria

but no grinding

[tropic jolt]

SCARY

[misty solstice]

specifically touhou 15

[tropic jolt]

stop

no more

[proper thunder]

if you dont wanna farm, journey mdoe is right there

[amber latch]

Boss farming is at least kinda fun because the bosses are fun
But, like
Half of ice shell farming is just waiting for the enemy to actually spawn
And then when it does spawn it dies in one hit and drops
essence of eluem
and nothing else

[rancid pagoda]

okay but it's not Calamity's job to make things easier to get

[amber latch]

Ok but they literally had the recipe and removed it this update
It's been there for so very long that when I tried to find a replacement, everywhere I looked still suggested to use Calamity for it

[proper thunder]

again, journey mode solves every problem you’re having, its a vanilla feature

[rancid pagoda]

people only complain about things being removed but never complained that something wasn't added

[icy stump]

Trust in Bloody Mary

[vast ferry]

Question for if any devs are in chat

[earnest jewel]

Because Calamity isn't a QoL mod.

[earnest jewel]

They do.

[amber latch]

Now on my next point, why isn't there a potion that increases critter spawns but not enemy spawns /shot

[vast ferry]

When Yharim releases, will he be larger than the player, or the same size?

[earnest jewel]

It's the same potion.

[earnest jewel]

He's like nine foot tall.

[misty solstice]

because critters are enemies

[proper thunder]

water candle only reduces hostiles

[earnest jewel]

Enemy spawn rates increase critter spawn rate.

[pulsar cobalt]

thats just called a town

[proper thunder]

stack it with a chaos candle

[icy stump]

Bloody Mary in a Town

[vast ferry]

...damn I didn't know how tall he was

[earnest jewel]

Read my lore documents.

[tropic jolt]

is terrarian 6'0

[amber latch]

I know, I'm just being facetious
Because the person I responded to mentioned never complaining about a feature not being added, so I. Did that.

[earnest jewel]

Yeah, pretty much.

[vast ferry]

Like 5'10 but

[vivid hemlock]

thats because calamity was and still in its current state is a mod that focuses mostly on bosses and tries to streamline everything else to take less time, which hasnt been a priority for a while as the devs want to make it a content mod that has meaningful stuff outside of bosses, which added recipes to vanilla items are counterintuitive to

[pulsar cobalt]

its like 5'11 i think with default hair

[tropic jolt]

im actually 5'12

[earnest jewel]

People complain about things not being added all the time. Like the final boss, which has been stated thousands of times to be added later.

[pulsar cobalt]

5'4 with bald

[vast ferry]

I want more astral infection related stuff

[misty solstice]

yall count hair in height?

[proper thunder]

this is very easily observed with the enemy changes in brainstorm, which is a step in the right direction for sure

[amber latch]

Anyways
Onto positive things
As a melee user, I really enjoy both of the endgame swords

[earnest jewel]

Terrarian has very large forehead.

[vast ferry]

It's barely used and is just used for astral bars and stardust

[halcyon seal]

TRUE

I think rod should not have increased drop rates

[tropic jolt]

[amber latch]

Exoblade and Earth both feel very cool to use and can get insane high damage numbers with the right accessories
Like
Enough damage that DoG starts damage gating you

[halcyon seal]

Like I like using qol, I have qot on in basically every playthrough

[proper thunder]

reduce droprates

[halcyon seal]

But I’m also using other mods

[halcyon seal]

I think rod being an “expected” item is Very Not Good

[misty solstice]

wulfrum furrniture W

[vast ferry]

But...

But reality manipulator is heavily needed for the later bosses

[rancid pagoda]

they would remove Normality Relocator if it wasn't a donor item

[halcyon seal]

It’s not

If it is, you are carried by rod

I say this as someone who was carried by rod

And still kind of is

[pulsar cobalt]

it wont be designed as expected

[vast ferry]

ok I remembered

It WAS required back when SCal was the hardest boss

[halcyon seal]

It never was

[pulsar cobalt]

u can make smthn easier to get without requiring it

[misty solstice]

its not. thats a krill issue

[fathom girder]

Most of my runs never use RoD or its upgrades

It's nice to have though

as it should be

[misty solstice]

technically exo box isnt required and you can do scal before exos

[high scaffold]

I have made something even more peak

[vast ferry]

I did that when I played yes

...abd I forgot I even had relocator for both her and mechs

[pulsar cobalt]

i get it usually on cal pts because there are times where i clutch up with it (mainly on yharon)

[misty solstice]

I dont use rod but I can understand why people would

[high scaffold]

Wulfrum roller turret: sprite mash edition

[misty solstice]

lfg

looks peak to me

[fathom girder]

MY EYES

[misty solstice]

add it this instant

[pulsar cobalt]

whyd u put a turret on what is essentially a giant wheel

[vast ferry]

That looks good, just needs some sprite blending, and moving the eye

[misty solstice]

wulfrum turret

[pulsar cobalt]

itll just try move and

not be able to roll

hdfailure

wtf

[high scaffold]

Its wulfrum

[misty solstice]

get fucked?

[vast ferry]

You know what a gyroscope is right?

It could be a similar thing to how bb-8 from the abomination that is the sequel trilogy moves

Magnets inside

that or magic cause I'm just bullshitting it right now

[proper thunder]

back in myy day in 1.4 there WAS no exo mechs and we just ROUGHED it and fought scal normally

kids these days have it so easy

[pulsar cobalt]

kill exo box

[high scaffold]

Honestly picture/sprite mashing is a great technique for creating concept images

[fathom girder]

Killing Scal when she first got her box was quite the challenge

cuz you had a limited hit count

it was rather dumb lol

[pulsar cobalt]

fabsol stole that from another game theres no way he didnt

[proper thunder]

back in my day DoG summoned the fentanyls

now he just eat hot chip and laser wall

(i think modern dog is better)

[dull heart]

2.1.2 dog will be even better

[earnest jewel]

He can't anymore, because of woke.
(Because he doesn't have sentinels.)

[dull heart]

(it's only changing him by making him harder on ftw)

[proper thunder]

sweeet

[steel pike]

A limited hit count???

Dude that sounds horrible

[earnest jewel]

Fabsol wasn't famed for game design.

[west isle]

ftw as in the seed in general or only in legendary?

[steel pike]

He should be bigger on ftw

Either really really big

Or like

[fathom girder]

It was

[earnest jewel]

Legendary is enabled by for the worthy.

[steel pike]

Super super tiny

[dull heart]

GFB does that

[dull heart]

Legendary doesn't have any AI changes at all

[amber latch]

Be me
Actively try to kill DoG slower because I just really like his boss theme
Finally figure out how music boxes work
Doom my town to always hear his theme

[steel pike]

Ohh

[dull heart]

On any enemy

[drowsy turret]

wouldnt a combo of plague heart, whatever alcohol increases sickness damage, full stack of these perrenial ore minions and a plague weapon be op

[dull heart]

GFB also does that

It makes him 3 segments long but much larger

[west isle]

i mean if u play FTW without selecting death/master

or what would be death or master

[earnest jewel]

Yeah but who even does that?

[west isle]

i might try it idk for the funny

[earnest jewel]

It just increases difficulty by +1.

[west isle]

yea

classic becomes expert, expert becomes master and so on

[steel pike]

awesobe

[dull heart]

People who want something less absurd than legendary but want the absurd ai

Idk

I could see players wanting FTW death

[west isle]

doesnt ftw make like

[earnest jewel]

Get me a FTW with nothin'.

[west isle]

blocks take half the time to break

or smth

[steel pike]

Nuutt’n??

[drowsy turret]

lol i need to see the reworked dog with 3 segments

[steel pike]

Hydra dog

[high scaffold]

I should learn how to make suggestions here and make one for my Wulfrum roller turret concept

But thats likely tomorrow

[tropic jolt]

from wiki: Blocks take only half as many hits with a pickaxe or drill to break, rounded up.

[earnest jewel]

I think that would fall under specific suggestion.

[dull heart]

Yeah

[high scaffold]

Maybe

[tropic jolt]

I cant believe ftw was a qol mod all along

[west isle]

drunk gives u a built in WOF arena if u have water walking

cant wait for tml to update to 1.4.5 so i can play drunk ftw

[tropic jolt]

and tons of living trees for free

[west isle]

and have the ultimate built in QOL

[honest trail]

why Rusty Beacon Prototype can crit?

[high scaffold]

Because its superior to all other summoner weapons idk

[west isle]

also gold, plat, demonite and crimtane veins are bigger and spawn more commonly

the only bad parts of ftw are the locked crates in sky islands and the jungle temple being bigger

[steel pike]

TRUE

I needa play drunk

WoF arenas are easily like

The worst parts of the whole game

I hate building them

[earnest jewel]

Just get some Guinness and... oh, wait, never mind.

[dull heart]

I had an idea

[rancid pagoda]

ftw changes the temple? wasn't it just drunk that did that?

[steel pike]

Lmfao no that too

[dull heart]

What if the wof fight was like playing jetpack joyride

[steel pike]

Well

I could if I wasn’t 17

[steel pike]

or flappy bird

[dull heart]

well, you still could

[west isle]

nope ftw makes it like 3x bigger and makes it all painted with deep green paint

[steel pike]

And you had to flap through him

[steel pike]

I mean yeah true…

[rancid pagoda]

oh it's the same as drunk then

[dull heart]

I thought that was just drunk

actually

[high scaffold]

I wonder if fables team would like my concept

[west isle]

seems like it goes in both ftw and drunk but ftw also paints it

[rancid pagoda]

they both do it slightly different is what I'm reading

[steel pike]

What if on ftw spazmatism shot out the phantasmal death ray moon lord shoots out of his eye instead of green gas

[fathom girder]

If you only have rocket boots as a mobility accessory it should trigger that lole

[dull heart]

I think like

I'm actually gonna take inspiration from Jetpack Joyride for roots wof

Also I've decided murasama isn't gonna go in DCWO because I don't wanna find the source code for DCWO that I probably lost

[fathom girder]

in what manner ig

the uh, jetpack joyride inspiration thing

[dull heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406493898341613568/1429172393238073495/Terraria__Now_in_1D_2025-10-18_13-08-46.mp4?ex=699c9a83&is=699b4903&hm=71db956ce79e572a78a7b0b432059663eef4137996faecc6a405ec24c810191f&

idk it just

This gives me vibes of making something jetpack joyride

[grave geyser]

big fan of the 6 unloaded items

[dull heart]

obstacles in front of you that the screen scrolls onto

eyes doing lasers that work kinda like the missiles

[pulsar cobalt]

thats a bit of ammo

[misty solstice]

item best weapon

[strange pebble]

sidescroller wof

[misty solstice]

side scroller terraria?

[strange pebble]

what if terraria was an autoscroller

[strange pebble]

*autoscroller

[misty solstice]

Id stop playing it

[rancid pagoda]

this is actually peak

[strange pebble]

new speedrun challenge drop

[worn geode]

any guide for summoner

[deft wren]

is it intentional that the mode switch for Nullification Pistol is way faster after you've gone to like stage 2 of firing?

[dull heart]

spider staff and dreadmine staff

[deft wren]

and that you can double switch really quickly to go back to the one you were using

but ONLY if you've degraded the firing by at least one stage

[worn geode]

were exo mechs boss fight changed

anyone made a guide for summoner this update

[fathom girder]

don't think so

to both of those

:D

[worn geode]

ok

how should i start this summoner playthorugh

any differently

[dull heart]

sun spirit staff

[worn geode]

or nah

[fathom girder]

The sun spirit staff line got a lot of love

[hollow harness]

use sun spirit staff/wulfrum controller, get the wulfrum armor or flinx coat if you're fancy/armor mixing for extra stats

[deft wren]

Stynger is lowkey crazy wtf is this damage

[dull heart]

its bugged

iirc

hits twice

[deft wren]

gotcha

I am trying kill times rn

and Stynger is like 2x as fast the alternatives

[pulsar cobalt]

bunch of vanilla weapons that hit once and exploded immediately afterwards used global to not hit twice and cal changed most of them to not use global iframes so theyre hitting twice as often

so yknow

[deft wren]

does this apply to cluster rockets?

[pulsar cobalt]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[dull heart]

no

[deft wren]

because cluster rockets super outdamage rocket 3

I don't know if that should be happening?

[dull heart]

always have

[deft wren]

gotcha

[hollow harness]

they're their own projectiles with local iframes I assume

[dull heart]

rocket 3 -> cluster 1 -> mini nuke 1

[deft wren]

yeah ok

[dull heart]

hive pack is so peak

[deft wren]

based on the name I assumed clusters would be meant for AoE

[hollow harness]

or static iframes idk well

[deft wren]

also doze, this^

[hollow harness]

rockets in general are AoE because of explosions

[pulsar cobalt]

ha youd think

each vanilla launcher has like 10 different projectiles for every type of rocket

[hollow harness]

yea I know that

[hollow harness]

recoloring ❤️

[rotund venture]

As I struggle to sleep I had a thought

When will the summon dmg penalty be killed?

[still bluff]

uhhh probably never?

unless summoner suddenly stops being way better with other random weapons than whips

[rotund venture]

Given how good some of the 1.4.5 whips are I can see that happening

[misty wren]

those are also getting turbo nerfed

[pulsar cobalt]

i mean i think the bigger issue is that

[hollow harness]

starcrasher my beloved ❤️

[pulsar cobalt]

most minions are just kinda strong by themselves

even without whips theyre still going to be fundamentally free damage

[still bluff]

when summoner gets rebalanced the endgame vanilla whips will no longer be turbo strong

[misty wren]

like possession is not going to be allowed to exist as it does in vanilla that shit is abhorrent

[still bluff]

we'll also be nerfing most of the summons a lot tbf

[pulsar cobalt]

and when theyre supposed to be half a class they will be strong

[rotund venture]

Possession will need some serious balancing for sure

[fierce hearth]

Mixed summoner will always be strong because mixed summoner was always meant to be done, it's free damage. You can't meaningfully "fix" free damage

[misty wren]

but yeah the issue with removing summon penalty is that summons are all balanced to be weapons on their own and viable as such

[hollow harness]

most whips in vanilla are like fine I think, just possession but it is justified for being endgame but for cal it will need readjustments

[still bluff]

that's not even the problem
even after the nerfs, whips would be outclassed by swapping to another class's weapon

[fierce hearth]

Whips are only good if you're doing a pure-summoner build, if you have something even slightly incentivizing you to not do pure-summoner, then alternative weapons instantly become competitive

[still bluff]

the summon penalty counterbalances that not that it works at 25% at all that needs to go back to 50%

[misty wren]

removing summon penalty means congrats you have 2 weapons that are fully self-viable being used at the same time

with nothing to offset that

[worn geode]

any mod that makes it so i can use death mod in expert instead of master mode out yet

i fucking hate master mode

i only play expert

[rotund venture]

I just wish I could so hybrid builds with my two free summon slots and my minions wont lose damage just for existing

[still bluff]

you still get free damage

[hollow harness]

I tried hybrid building at least in the pre-hm pre-skeletron section you defitively can do more damage than using snapthorn

[misty wren]

even in multiplayer theres an offset because mp health scaling actually exists now

[strange cargo]

Thats because as the game progresses, the numbers get bigger

[rotund venture]

I plan on doing a classless playthrough soon is the thing

And summons losing damage just feels bad, even though I know its deserved

[still bluff]

oh that means you won't get the penalty

it doesn't happen with classless weapons

[rotund venture]

Not what I meant

[misty wren]

or tools that arent grax or phripper

[hollow harness]

classless as in summoner hybrid?

[rotund venture]

Hybrid playthough nore accurate

No class specific armors and accs (until auric, sad)

[hollow harness]

like using summoner gear and accs that share stats between other classes and summoner so that you can just use a weapon from another class and combine stuff

[rotund venture]

I will be ignoring class accs is the thing so Ill only have 2-3 slots

[gloomy grove]

youre stuck on rev if you want to stay on expert

[worn geode]

Ik

But I want a death mode on expert back

Was wondering if any mods for that are out yet

[gloomy grove]

there is none and it doesnt make sense to have one

[worn geode]

I don't like this change of master mode

I find expert the most fun difficulty

[gloomy grove]

death is master's cal difficulty and rev is expert's cal difficulty, thats it

[fathom girder]

This provided nothing

you want something that provided no benefits over the current system

[worn geode]

Why not you used to be able to play death in expert

[gloomy grove]

@worn geode ^

[worn geode]

Ok

[boreal quarry]

Best thumbnail

[fathom girder]

There was still balance that every single difficulty had to adhere to and it was just a pain in the ass

streamlining it to this is easier on the devs and also doesn't change much for the player

as stuff like master rev or expert death really weren't anything special

[deft lily]

and also current death mode is not that bad lol

like genuinely i dont get what the whining is about

[fathom girder]

Change bad

[deft lily]

right

change is bad because im not used to it!!!

also ive seen very few ppl complain about the difficulty streamlining, surprisingly

[still bluff]

calamity mod must always be the same

[deft lily]

as much as its been asked about

[still bluff]

only new things can be added and only buffs can be given

any changes are illegal

[pulsar cobalt]

and remember

REWORKS ARENT NEW THINGS

BRING BACK OLD TERRA BOW

[fathom girder]

blows you up

[deft lily]

i need my 1 molecule of dopamine by beating death mode so i can proceed to brag in #calamity-mod-talk for the upteenth billionth time that week and make ppl who havent beaten it feel like shit

[still bluff]

yes it must be entirely new weapons leaving the old ones still in the mod

[deft lily]

actually theres a better copy pasta for that

if you can't beat Nameless Yhardeity of Fargonian Calamity while on the Eternity Masochist Death Master Malice Infernum Torture Absolution Everlasting Disaster Catastrophe Vehemence Genocide Armaggedon Extinction difficulty while using nothing but a Palm Wood Block as a weapon and wearing no equipment, are you even a real calamity player? 🙄

[fathom girder]

oh that's a copypasta? lmao

[deft lily]

might as well be

[still bluff]

missing satanist

[deft lily]

i think cheese originally posted it here

[fathom girder]

satanist is too bullshit to be in the copypasta

it's that bad

[deft lily]

what is satanist

[fathom girder]

a bullshit difficulty :D

[deft lily]

oh

lemme guess

fargo?

[hollow harness]

unless they did something recently, No

Fargo has masochist and eternity modes

[distant raft]

hardest difficulty on the market

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3139796298

[deft lily]

christ almighty

that reminds me

[tropic jolt]

satanist is a fargos addon that makes the game impossible (but technically not)

[deft lily]

aw damnit i cant post images

[tropic jolt]

💔

[deft lily]

#806598217520250940 message

can u post this sir

here

[deft lily]

missing legendary and malice

smh

[tropic jolt]

[deft lily]

whats that one above the mutant head

[fathom girder]

maso

[tropic jolt]

eternity

[deft lily]

i assume masochist or something

[fathom girder]

oop

[tropic jolt]

the right most are eternity and masochist

[deft lily]

i see

[fathom girder]

shoutout to these two still being here

[deft lily]

wtf

[fathom girder]

I need more difficultyslop

[tropic jolt]

I think thats for selecting which AI takes priority

calamity or fargos

[pulsar cobalt]

wait wats the one next to revengeance

[fathom girder]

oe

I see

[deft lily]

huh

neat ig

[deft lily]

infernum

below that is infernal eclipse of ragnarok

[pulsar cobalt]

oh ok

anyways its not enough there isnt the ftw options

[deft lily]

hmm

im going to complete the collection

[tropic jolt]

ok il just name all of them
classic
expert, revengeance, infernum, eternity
master, death, infernal eclipse of ragnarok (I think), masochist

peak difficultyslop

[gloomy grove]

really good feature tbh

[worn geode]

Ig I will stick with master mode then

Oh boy

[deft lily]

master mode isn't that bad

[worn geode]

This gonna be way harder

[deft lily]

for what ive played so far

then again i hardly touch expert mode

[worn geode]

I don't like slimes being able to kill me this easy

[deft lily]

so ur experience may differ

[tropic jolt]

they removed a lot of the bullshit master mode changes from previous updates

[hollow harness]

after just playing master all the time expert feels so easy

[deft lily]

^

this his how i felt when i did infernum

cuz its expert exclusive ofc

[tropic jolt]

vanillas stat bloat in master is offset by calamity gear being stronger

[deft lily]

(until DoG)

[hollow harness]

the thing with Master (at least in Vanilla) is that enemies are incredibly fucked

[deft lily]

[high scaffold]

2 headed skeletron prime summoning the whole gang

[deft lily]

prime is still a dogshit fight

[tropic jolt]

rolling cactus 😨

[deft lily]

same with destroyer

twins are pretty bad but at least they're tolerable

[high scaffold]

It was worse before

[deft lily]

oh agreed

way worse before

[worn geode]

I found infernum rlly easy tbh

[high scaffold]

Now its a mini deus with drones

[hollow harness]

calamity gear also includes stuff that makes master mode easier

[worn geode]

There Is an insane difficulty spike at dog tho in infernum

[high scaffold]

Actualy, deus is easier then destroyer imho

[hollow harness]

genuienly ancient ice chunk just makes summoner exploration so easy because the minion can just track enemies at least in early hardmode

[worn geode]

I hope that astrageldon isn't harder in master mode

[gloomy grove]

its really not that bad

[worn geode]

That mf was so hard

[distant raft]

dog isnt even hard its just an attempt farm for new players

[hollow harness]

projectiles can go through tiles 😥

[gloomy grove]

youre treating master mode as if it cranks up stats by like x3 fsr

[deft lily]

yeah i cant speak for master mode astrageldon

i havent fought it yet

post brainstorm that is

[dull heart]

question

[gloomy grove]

does that even matter?

[dull heart]

does anyone know any cal items with a good "bonk" noise

[gloomy grove]

answer

[rotund venture]

Is catalyst getting more content?

[deft lily]

yes

[worn geode]

I got a love hate relationship with astrageldon

[high scaffold]

Is it just me or is polter a complete joke of a boss?

[deft lily]

cuz a lot of bullshit master mode changes were undone with brainstorm

[high scaffold]

I assume in the future it will

[tropic jolt]

astrageldon wouldnt change because of that though since its an addon boss

[deft lily]

oh

[pulsar cobalt]

wat kind of bonk

[deft lily]

right yeah

mb

[dull heart]

like a bonk

[gloomy grove]

its an addon 💔

[tropic jolt]

it should probably be identical to 2.0 master death

[dull heart]

like uhh

[rotund venture]

Iron boots?

[ashen pivot]

the pwnagehammer line

[deft lily]

prob

[dull heart]

bonked someone on the head type bonk

[ashen pivot]

nice clonks and bonks

[gloomy grove]

i dont think there is any that have the whimsy of a bonk sfx

[high scaffold]

Bonk atomic punch

[deft lily]

yeah mb

[ashen pivot]

supernova

[pulsar cobalt]

like with an iron pipe head bonk or a newspaper head bonk?

[ashen pivot]

wave pounder

[gloomy grove]

wooden bat bonk

the comedic kind

[worn geode]

What would you say is harder ELDEN ring or death mode

[gloomy grove]

are you being fr

[deft lily]

whats the seed for ftw?

[gloomy grove]

why are those two even in the same question its like night and day

[worn geode]

I lowk haven't played death mode

[tropic jolt]

I dont think you can compare the two

[ashen pivot]

death mode mid tier difficulty besides the vanilla bosses

[dull heart]

for the worthy i think

[ashen pivot]

even then those aren't bad

[tropic jolt]

just "for the worthy" or "fortheworthy"

[deft lily]

noted

[worn geode]

For me difficulty is based on deaths

[distant raft]

case insensitive iirc

[gloomy grove]

[hollow harness]

the seed is also the date for 1.4's release I think

[ashen pivot]

worst way to measure difficulty

[worn geode]

That's how I compare how hard a boss is how many times I died to it

[hollow harness]

or was it another seed

[tropic jolt]

the worldgen will be backwards if its entered correctly

[gloomy grove]

that is such an unreliable metric

[worn geode]

And how long it take me to beat it

[ashen pivot]

i had more deaths on infernum dog than scal and can confidently say infernum scal is a harder fight

[gloomy grove]

thats like the cockroach upscale thing where because a cockroach can survive a nuke and a person cant it means cockroaches are stronger than humans

[high scaffold]

Honestly that is the stupidest way Ive heard someone measuring video game difficulty in my entire live

[worn geode]

And also how long it took me

[rotund venture]

Lets not be rude

[high scaffold]

Thats respect worthy

[worn geode]

On this metric my top 3 hardest boss is

1. Simon expedition 33
2. Astrageldon
3. Calamitas

Based on time

[ashen pivot]

"exp 33" i'm done

[worn geode]

I spent fighting the boss

[worn geode]

Don't hate till you try it

[pulsar cobalt]

me making a very long and bullshit riddled boss that kills you in one hit:

[worn geode]

Would be a hard boss tho

[high scaffold]

Ofc its exp 33, it magicaly wins everywhere

[tropic jolt]

LOL

[hollow harness]

PFTTT

[pulsar cobalt]

no itd just be bullshit

[rotund venture]

Unfair≠hard

[gloomy grove]

i was tier listing hollow knight silksong bosses and somehow expedition 33 got on my s tier list

[hollow harness]

expedition 33 is placed at SSS in the calamity's weapons spreadsheet

[worn geode]

Simon was the longest I spent on a boss tho

[gloomy grove]

expedition 33 killed my grandma

[worn geode]

So based on time it was the hardest

Like 8 hours bro

[still bluff]

the new moderator for the calamity mod discord server: Clair Obscur Expedition 33!

[high scaffold]

Expedition 33 suddenly became the number 1 extreme demon

[gloomy grove]

[worn geode]

Devs got knighted btw

[high scaffold]

Not owner, not canon

[worn geode]

Deadass

[still bluff]

i mean it's the most respect french people have had in decades

[worn geode]

Yeah

Made me lock in in french that game did

[distant raft]

genuine question how did vortexpopper survive 2.1

[grim pecan]

silly

[gloomy grove]

whimsy?

[high scaffold]

Because it refused

[gloomy grove]

whimsy

[ashen pivot]

never used it before

[rotund venture]

Homing bubble

[ashen pivot]

is it even good

[high scaffold]

Not bad

[dull heart]

its peak

[distant raft]

its just the martian gun but one tier up and a bit more

[high scaffold]

Its a gun

[distant raft]

i forget its name

[dull heart]

xenopopper

[high scaffold]

That shoots bullets

[ashen pivot]

xenopopper upgrade

[distant raft]

yeah xenopopper

[rotund venture]

Wait homing bubble is effervesence im dumb

[lyric trellis]

Same way Clothier’s Wrath survived the deletion vote

[rotund venture]

Tf is vortexpopper?

[distant raft]

but yeah its just xenopopper but again and more and post cultist

[hollow harness]

mm, Karl Popper the philosopher

[ashen pivot]

i always be throwing that bih away when the clothier dies 😭

[hollow harness]

remember when it was a RIV dropped by skeletron 🥀

[vivid condor]

So awful

[hollow harness]

fucked up

[ashen pivot]

when was this

[vivid condor]

Clothiers wrath was like barely accetpable as is

now its just a really doodoo option bc of the bolt reworks

which are fire mind you

[ashen pivot]

frigidflash kicks ass now

[vivid condor]

as a certified frost bolt lover I now love it

and the frigidflash is IMMENSE

menace of pre planterra

[ashen pivot]

didn't use the right click on destroyer but it's probably crazy

[vivid condor]

I did. it is

I tested the clothiers & frigidflash on the giant clam (hardmode death mode)

Clothiers regs like 300 dps

Frig registers like 2300

[hollow harness]

since it was introduced I think

[young notch]

Did you know that the Firecracker is perfectly synced to Queen Slime's theme

[deft lily]

isn't compatible with FTW sadly

-# prob a good thing actually but whatever

[tropic jolt]

[tropic gull]

how do i get anahita to spawn

[deft lily]

u wait

:)

also u have to be in at least hardmode i think

[tropic gull]

awh embed fail

[tropic gull]

i seen her ONCE in prehard mode when i went to go get angler

[deft lily]

huh

[tropic gull]

i did

[tribal isle]

Are you sure

[deft lily]

idk dont listen to me

i dont know anything

😔

[tropic gull]

but they call you the thinker

[deft lily]

since when

[tropic jolt]

I think shes just super rare in phm

[tropic gull]

since rn

[deft lily]

[tropic jolt]

"spawn rate is increased by 4x in Hardmode, and an additional 4x after defeating Calamitas Clone or Plantera, totalling 16x."

[tropic gull]

bleh

no item spawn until AFTER you beat her

like what

[tropic jolt]

calamity likes to do that a lot

[tropic gull]

whats gonna happen first my pizza is gonna get here or anahita will spawn

[tropic jolt]

[fathom girder]

anahita

get a bloody mary or zerg potion rollin'

[deft lily]

ill get married by the time anahita spawns pre hm

[fathom girder]

well when are you getting married

[tropic gull]

i got my pizza ana anahita still aint here

[deft lily]

(never)

i dont deserve it!!!

[fathom girder]

umbara will you marry

um

[dull heart]

what

what did i come back to

[fathom girder]

I was gonna say me but uhhh HI doze

we lost track of update discussion

[dull heart]

this is what happens when i go work on murasama overhaul

[deft lily]

no

[spiral tree]

Wow

[deft lily]

L

[fathom girder]

you should work on murasama overhaul more then

[tropic jolt]

doze became a calamity overhaul dev 💔

[fathom girder]

things get interesting here

[spiral tree]

🕊️

[deft lily]

but ya

im too cool to be married

[spiral tree]

Stealing code daily

[deft lily]

(copium)

[fierce hearth]

out of curiosity I just tried to use Omega Blue armor w Bloom Stone

sadness :(

[fathom girder]

whyyyyyyyyy exactly

[fierce hearth]

They would pair INCREDIBLY well

[fathom girder]

Isn't bloom stone just a potion buff and a grapple buff

what's omega blue do that coulda synergized

[fierce hearth]

Having significantly improved healing that can be used more flexibly

In armor that otherwise severely cuts down your healing

[fathom girder]

I see

you'll have another chance for synergy when you get blood god chalice

[fierce hearth]

mhm

[junior marlin]

wheres patch notes

[fierce hearth]

wiki

[fathom girder]

blood god's chalice synergizes directly with bloom stone, it's neat

hardcoded to remove like half the bleed you get

it's neat

[fierce hearth]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/2.1.0

[clear pine]

does anyone know at what layer the sunken sea will stop generating when SSO comes out? does it like stop at pre-underworld layer?

[fathom girder]

completely unknown

the way it'll generate is still unknown at that

[clear pine]

i guess ill cut it off at pre-underworld

feels best

[fathom girder]

It was first gonna be layers iirc, but there's a good chance it'll be different when they eventually get back to working on sunken sea's multiple biomes

[tropic gull]

shes just now spawning

[clear pine]

ill try building reg desert, then scourge tunnels leading into nest and then sunken sea layers feels most accurate to what we know

[fathom girder]

(we know nothing)

[clear pine]

cause they still doing that pre sunken desert area with the scourges i think

[fathom girder]

Oh I didn't know they were gonna do a scoog nest

that'll be neat

[clear pine]

i remember seeing it in future doc and stuff

but it isnt mentioned alot so idk if they still planning

[fathom girder]

My general rule is uh

we know nothing

speculation only goes so far when the devs chat here and can give us more direct answers lul

[clear pine]

only thing i wanna know from devs is where will limestone spawn

the purple foliage that grows from it makes it hard to figure out its place

[fathom girder]

I think someone's posted a diagram on the new blocks and what biomes they belong in

[clear pine]

ye and i think they put limestone in the uncategorised

[fathom girder]

hmmm