calamity-update-talk

[arctic cliff]

just make your own awesome iconic katana

[tropic jolt]

foolish samurai warrior

[tribal isle]

I’m surprised only stars above has a decently high quality yamato

[arctic cliff]

like im gonna be real once again

calamity should just de-MGRR-ify the Murasama and turn it into its own awesome sword

[tribal isle]

No

[earnest jewel]

Riots.

[tropic jolt]

Yes

murasama has fallen millions must download overhaul

[tribal isle]

Every calamity dev would get burned at the stake

[arctic cliff]

cowards

[tropic jolt]

revamping the murasama would be bad for... immersion ⚡

[arctic cliff]

let them try to burn us at the stake. it wont change the truth we preach

[earnest jewel]

This would only encourage use of Overhaul.

[dusk bronze]

we shall kill overhaul

[tribal isle]

lowkey delete basecal murasama and delete overhaul so everyone is forced to use doze’s super awesome calamity weapon reworks mod

[patent orbit]

Dolphins are getting killed by the Biome Blade, even though I have the Kritters Guide in my Inventory. Is that worth reporting? Seems too minor

[dusk bronze]

true!

[dusk bronze]

known bug

[earnest jewel]

Dolphin murder is minor to you? Messed up.

[patent orbit]

Gotcha. Weird it's only Purity

[tribal isle]

If dolphins are that smart why has no dolphin stabilized miracle matter

[halcyon seal]

Request: make murasama upgrades player upgrades instead of being dependent on what bosses are defeated

Mostly so you can get rid of them via disgusting meat if you want

[dull heart]

I was planning on having a way to toggle to downgrade states

what if I gave it a skill tree hmm

[steel pike]

relic reference

[earnest jewel]

Yearns for Yamato...

[steel pike]

because they are too busy being demon spawn

[tribal isle]

At what point does the sword play the only thing I know for real

[earnest jewel]

When there is blood... shed...

[tropic jolt]

I can feel it creeping...

[earnest jewel]

Obsession pulling me!

[halcyon seal]

No, bad doze

No scopecreep

[dull heart]

I won't give it a skill tree mostly because I don't wanna design the ui

[halcyon seal]

Wait what if I added the OTHER legendary weapons and gave THEM skill trees

[strange cargo]

I think the best way if you want it like that is to have it like the biome blade or ark

[dull heart]

I should also rework halibut to be boss scaling

[tribal isle]

What if you gave yamato a skill tree to match Vergil dmc5

[strange cargo]

Where you use it to craft an upgrade that is mostly the same

[dull heart]

Each boss killed is +1 bullet fired

no other changes

begin at 1 bullet

[strange cargo]

Would where it’s from be changed?

[deft lily]

@wide nova congrats on becoming chronically online

[strange cargo]

I forget how the halibut cannon works

[earnest jewel]

Add everything from Bayonetta into Calamity as base moveset.

[wide nova]

lol

[earnest jewel]

Post game weapon.

From killing Primordial Wyrm.

[distant raft]

two waves of 25-30 bullets when you press m1

[blazing field]

tthe rot consu,

[strange cargo]

No i know where it’s from

[blazing field]

b

[strange cargo]

Just couldnt remember how it shoots

[strange cargo]

Thank you

[distant raft]

also in a really tight spread

with decent base damage (50)

[tribal isle]

Are you gonna keep any special interactions if the character is named jetstream sam

[dull heart]

does overhaul

[tribal isle]

I don’t know

[dull heart]

I probably will

make it start fully unlocked

[tribal isle]

Make it start at hardmode scaling

[blazing field]

oh are we bringing that back

[earnest jewel]

Oh? That's good, why that's very good! Yes, I like that.

[dull heart]

in DCWO

not in basecal

[blazing field]

ah

fair neough

[strange cargo]

What is that

[deft lily]

doze bring back yharim stimulants
||or else||

[earnest jewel]

Dinosaur Calamity Wrath Overhaul.

[dull heart]

I'm gonna make a murasama so we have things to recommend besides overhaul for the murasama fans

[tribal isle]

Imagine a perfect world where people have no reason to download overhaul

[earnest jewel]

It's this one... And yet...

[deft lily]

d-doze....? 👉 👈 n-notice me...

[earnest jewel]

I don't speak American.

[deft lily]

erm

[tribal isle]

Obviously the Brit would say that

[patent orbit]

I don't think they changed much of it, but I forgot how much fun the AnaLevi fight is

[deft lily]

tea? more like

fish food

boom

i said

it

[obtuse hawk]

it: yea what's up

[deft lily]

hi

[earnest jewel]

Exterminate.

[tribal isle]

Go eat some fish n chips waterchud

[strange cargo]

up: I’m a word bro

[earnest jewel]

I don't even like fish.

[solar zodiac]

everytime i shoot the burrower with this he still runs away 😭 how tf i want his pet summon so bad

[obtuse hawk]

word: word?

[tribal isle]

Type shi

[deft lily]

yes i know many of them

[strange cargo]

word(2): word.

[deft lily]

reminds me of that one meme

[strange widget]

gurt: yo

[deft lily]

"Oh, so you speak English? Name every word in the English dictionary."

[tribal isle]

Is that the nether

[grim pecan]

that should probably inflict static discharge, now that i think about it

either way, use tesla's amulet

[strange cargo]

You need flint and steel to get there

[earnest jewel]

Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz. They're all made up of those in different orders.

[strange widget]

wrong game, son

[solar zodiac]

does me being in mp have anything to do with it

its not even like he jolts away he just poofs

[deft lily]

ok buddy

i concede

[dull heart]

Yeah he's a little buggy in MP

[grim pecan]

yes, burrower has issues in multiplayer. we'll have a hotfix out soon

[strange cargo]

You forgot the apostrophe

[deft lily]

i hate burrower

grrr

i hate him i hate him

[strange cargo]

Oh I meant to ask, has anyone had the burrower pet break a 1 block column after it highlights an ore under liquid

[tribal isle]

The burrowers get a little quirky in multiplayer

[strange cargo]

Bc its happened several times to me today

[dull heart]

L take

[dull heart]

what

[solar zodiac]

gotchya

ill go single and see if itll let me stun it

[deft lily]

get ragebaited

idot!!!

i love burrower

[solar zodiac]

my heart dropped when my lifeform analyzer said freakbob

i thought they added him into tha game

🙏

[deft lily]

FREAKBOB

[solar zodiac]

it was just skele merchant

[deft lily]

I KNOW

I know*

[strange cargo]

Like it mines an exactly one block wide column for no reason

I SAW THAT ONCR TOO

[deft lily]

best patreon name for an npc ngl

[strange cargo]

I GOT A SCREENSHOT BC I COULDNT BELIEVE IT

[dusk bronze]

guess who added it

[deft lily]

carnymassacre

[dull heart]

ur mom

[dusk bronze]

both true

[tribal isle]

Me

[strange cargo]

Spongebob

[deft lily]

no

[dusk bronze]

@ jevilamv add freakbob to calamity
ur a dev you can now

[solar zodiac]

alright yeah hes fine in sp

[dusk bronze]

ping fail

[tribal isle]

I thought Spamton g spamton was vanilla

[radiant sparrow]

fuck dude, fishron is so quick in that last phase

[strange cargo]

Doesn’t he have a set count to him tho?

Like its the same every time

[tribal isle]

How do you get xyk’s blessing

[strange cargo]

I honestly have no idea

[earnest jewel]

You must be pure of heart.

[radiant sparrow]

why does that matter? in death mode hes pretty much stuck to you at the last bit of hp

[tribal isle]

I always am

[earnest jewel]

You call me British. Your heart is tainted and scorned.

[strange cargo]

Because if it has a set count it can be killed

[tribal isle]

Why would it be tainted for telling the truth

[dense sundial]

can i be un-nicknamed

[earnest jewel]

It is a blatant lie, pushing your colonialist agenda. The blessing can sense the darkness permeating your heart.

[radiant sparrow]

thats not even the fucking point dude. its just that im having a tough time dodging the part where he goes invis

[dusk bronze]

the answer is literally just to dodge better idk what to tell you

[still cobalt]

chlorophyte or hallowed armor guys

[radiant sparrow]

obviously

[hard copper]

Hallowed, the set bonus is really good

[still cobalt]

ok

[dull heart]

Both are good

Chloro is more DPS while hallow is overall better imo

[rancid dust]

is malice golem right now even feasible?

[steel pike]

no go on ping him the right way

[hasty tangle]

depends how much you want to stretch the definition

anything is possible

[rancid dust]

thats fair, i was trying it, got absolutely destroyed, beat astrum deus, tried to use the weapon for golem and still got destroyed

golem just seems like a really large difficulty spike

[hasty tangle]

i mean, ftw isnt even meant to be fair

[rancid dust]

yeah true

[hasty tangle]

its not too surprising that the difficulty wildly varies

[dull heart]

don't worry

It'll get harder in a few days when 2.1.2 buffs ftw dog

[rancid dust]

oh awesome

[hasty tangle]

he gets more effective health, right?

[rancid dust]

i haven't even tried the new DoG yet

[frozen horizon]

I think Hallowed is better for Calamitas Clone and Chlorophyte is better for Plantera.

[radiant sparrow]

fuck dude, the last phase is so tricky

[unique warren]

Doze you need to stop

You can’t give people more reason to play FtW

It’ll destroy the fanbase

[radiant sparrow]

fuck i was so close, i just missed the asgard dash

[dull heart]

Double

[hasty tangle]

k

[dull heart]

Also no more cinnamon roll

[hasty tangle]

i started fighting him today and i do think he needs more health

fight didnt feel that much longer despite it being FTW, which is meant to bloat stats

[dull heart]

Well that was intentional

Due to his insane aggression

I gave him 2x dmg taken

[hasty tangle]

i know

[dull heart]

But people have just been totally melting it so I've gone back on that

[hasty tangle]

and im saying that i felt dog still died too quickly

so reverting that change makes sense imo

[strange cargo]

I think the clear solution is to make a summoner weapon viable for the fight

[dull heart]

There's a handful that are

[radiant sparrow]

i dont think i like fishron very much :(

[dull heart]

Namely Virid Vanguard is probably real good for it

I think I'm gonna make desp harder too

[strange cargo]

How about this, if you’re only struggling with the last phase, maybe there’s like one accessory that’s better

You could send a pic of your inv and equipment

[dull heart]

Use shield of the high ruler for it

High Ruler is so good for last phase

[strange cargo]

Or listen to doze

[dull heart]

Gonna add laser walls into them

[radiant sparrow]

im a rogue tho

[dull heart]

So??

What does rogue have to do with high ruler lol

[radiant sparrow]

shhh i thought it was a weapon

[dull heart]

high ruler is so good for fishron final phase it's crazy

Does a lot of damage, makes dash timing much more lenient than valor too

You can bonk every single dash he does pretty easy

[radiant sparrow]

what flask should i be using for feeshron

[strange cargo]

Probably crumbling or venom

Maybe ichor

[radiant sparrow]

also im using levi teeth which is fine i think

i havent been using blazing star for the orbit, i should do that

[dull heart]

blazing star is peak

[radiant sparrow]

are steampunk wigns fine?

[dull heart]

think so

[vale lodge]

With hardmode ores from novae slag in prehardmode fixed how is beating the game without fighting WoF possible now

[strange cargo]

Dude, just fight WoF

[hasty tangle]

[radiant sparrow]

yeah ur right dude. high ruler is fucking goated

fish fuck dead and im full of sushi

[dull heart]

clone -> cultist -> moon lord -> shimmer luminite

[radiant sparrow]

no decapitator tho :(

[still cobalt]

whats a good post plant wing

[fierce hearth]

Now what's the best preboss setup for Calclone

[strange cargo]

Events or no events

[fierce hearth]

Aureate Booster is good for vertical mobility otherwise go for post-plant event wings (mothron, spooky, tattered, christmas)

Wing choices are pretty much up to personal preference now, whether you want flight time, horizontal mobility, vertical mobility, or quick turnarounds

[radiant sparrow]

I think im going to kill myself ngl, second time ive had dupes

[fiery wadi]

yoyo

[dull heart]

oh and he has laser walls during desp

desp was too easy

[strange cargo]

I’ve seen enough, give vengeful sun staff another buff

[dull heart]

about that...

[strange cargo]

Dont remind me

[dull heart]

this is kinda peak tho ngl

[strange cargo]

5 damage nerf…

It’s fine

[dull heart]

well

that 5 damage scales

[strange cargo]

[young notch]

I think the slowdown that Brainstorm gave WoF might've been a bit too much lmao

[dull heart]

yeah it's

rough

[strange cargo]

Yeah uh, I beat it in like a minute

[echo lotus]

guys my world is constantly stuck at night and the clock just keeps going up does anyone know why
is there any known bugs rn?

[strange cargo]

Have you tried relogging

[echo lotus]

yeah

idk what it is

whens the last time you tried playing?

maybe its a bug in the new update?

[strange cargo]

Have you also tried completely closing tmodloader and reopening, ik it seems repetitive, but sometimes it helps

[strange cargo]

I played like 2 hours ago

Doesnt mean it couldnt be a bug

[echo lotus]

yeah imma run a world with just calamity

[unique warren]

I do gotta do a basecal run some day

I mean I have before but it’s been forever

[dull heart]

fight malice dog once 2.1.2 drops

[knotty violet]

What’s happening in 2.1.2?

[unique warren]

Pass

I’ll play good things and not FtWslop /j

[dull heart]

malice dog

• stops cinnamon roll from working
• no longer takes double damage
• has laser walls during desp

[hasty tangle]

what counts as desperation btw

[dull heart]

Below 10%

endless chain dashes

[knotty violet]

Interesting

[hasty tangle]

so he spams laser walls while charging?

[dull heart]

He does one large spaced square or diamond wall with each charge

[unique warren]

I think you misunderstand what a desperation phase is…?

[dull heart]

no I don't

Below 10% dog is invincible

And hurts himself as he chain dashes

[strange cargo]

Check doze’s roles for me rq

[unique warren]

Mhm yeah what about em

[strange cargo]

[dull heart]

basically the laser wall telegraph shows up in sync with him dashing

And then the laser walls hit about halfway to his next dash

[dull heart]

It definitely makes desp way harder to deal with for sure

it was the easiest part of the fight imo so it needed it

[dense sundial]

fabsol's all or nothing law says that there are only two states in which a boss may exist. terrible, or free

[hard copper]

Are you confusing death phase and despiration phase?

[dense sundial]

wof just changed state

[unique warren]

Okay I’m looking up what a desperation phase is solidly defined as

[hasty tangle]

he lives in Oregon now

[unique warren]

I’m like relatively sure I know what it is but is there like a dictionary for nerd

[dense sundial]

idk about any common agreement but uhh

[misty wren]

usually its a unique phase right at the end of the fight

[unique warren]

I’ve always been under the assumption that it’s a countdown attack

[dense sundial]

i define a desp as a phase in which a boss

• is invincible
• kills itself after a time limit

[deft lily]

"this community doesn't deserve me"

[misty wren]

it isnt necessarily invincible its just an extra hard phase at the end of a fight

[unique warren]

This is also my definition

Okay so

[dense sundial]

so malice dog has a desp

[unique warren]

Does Duke Fishron have a desperation

Phase 3 is pretty short

[dense sundial]

infernum yharon has a desp even though it's like less than one attack

[unique warren]

Ohhh yeah that makes sense thanks

[misty wren]

i think phase 3 fishron counts as a desperation yeah

[dense sundial]

duke p3 is vulnerable. it ends when you kill him

[dull heart]

Under this malice dog fits yeah, and I don't know anyone who defines desp more tightly than this

So like

In pretty much any definition malice dog fits

[misty wren]

yeah?

[hard copper]

Yeah Id say fishron phase 3 is desperation phase, and mutant final bullet hell thing is death phase

[unique warren]

Wait so he goes invulnerable?

[dull heart]

Yes

[unique warren]

Well ya gotta say that

[misty wren]

my definition of desp phase is just an extra hard part right at the end of a fight

[dull heart]

I did

[misty wren]

he did

[dull heart]

^

[unique warren]

Oh I missed that

[dull heart]

dog is always invincible right after dashing actually and since he's just always dashing

He's always invincible

[unique warren]

Anyways uh what was your design philosophy with malice DoG anyways

[dull heart]

I think actually he's technically not always invincible in desp but it's next to impossible to hit him

[unique warren]

It doesn’t seem to be one that matches usual FtW bosses which are kinda just streams of bullshit

[dull heart]

this but specifically the bs was speed

[unique warren]

Okay so it’s still kinda slop

Like, y’know, what FtW is

[dull heart]

actually

that's not even true

[knotty violet]

This sounds fun

[dull heart]

My design philosophy in malice dog wasn't like

I had an end goal though

[unique warren]

Okay so it’s not random bullshit go like FtW golem is

[dull heart]

I just tried things until I got a result I found both insanely hard but insanely fun personally

My first thing I tried was giving dog one extraupdate

[steel pike]

title card

[dull heart]

It was insane

[young notch]

I thought WoF was fine before

[steel pike]

What does golem do in ftw

I haven’t played ftw in forever

[unique warren]

Super small, quick, and makes the entire game like, fulldark damn near

Not really fulldark but it is really fucking dark

[dull heart]

I do think ftw dog is probably one of the best designed ftw bosses in the game

Alongside vanilla ftw eoc

[unique warren]

To be fair

The standard is in the floor

[dense sundial]

true!

[dull heart]

Yeah lol

[dense sundial]

actually i think maybe ftw eye is better than expert eye

[tropic jolt]

golem!!!!!!!

[dull heart]

true

[misty wren]

i think ftw should have like

actually good boss design

[dull heart]

Ftw eye is like an actually good boss design

[unique warren]

Look up Fargo’s Souls 2.0

[misty wren]

gfb can have fuck you shitpost stuff but ftw should at least try to be well designed

[dense sundial]

EXPERT should have good boss design and the bullcrap expert comes up with should be allowed in ftw

[dull heart]

I actually want this but it's never happening with vanilla precedent

[pulsar cobalt]

ftw upsets me because it and master both exist at the same time

[strange cargo]

Eow is scary

[dull heart]

I want ftw to be insane bosses but actually interesting ones

[knotty violet]

The “death mode is too easy” paths
Death to malice: I want a more calamity styled difficulty increase with a little bit of goofyness because it’s for the worthy
Fargos death + eternity:
I don’t want nothing flashy but I want more difficulty with both vanilla and calamity bosses
Infernum mode; I want difficult anime battles

[dull heart]

Like malice dog

[misty wren]

dont follow vanilla precedent!!

[dull heart]

Not like malice golem

[dull heart]

If it was just my mod sure but it's not just my mod

[pulsar cobalt]

theres a timeline out there where master was a proper difficulty so ftw doesnt exist

[dull heart]

true

[unique warren]

Like I know I glaze Souls a lot here but if you want “FtW but good” please play Souls 2.0 on launch

[dull heart]

I don't think I will

[dense sundial]

vanilla precedent is that bosses are bad icl

[unique warren]

EoC even just in the beta was so fucking good holy shit

[dense sundial]

you are automatically not following it by making bosses good

[tropic jolt]

its true

[strange cargo]

Not until the dlc gets updated

[dull heart]

Honestly

[tropic jolt]

vanilla is allergic to good boss design

[unique warren]

Oh come on man

[dull heart]

Idek what to do to rework.eoc

[pulsar cobalt]

vanilla precedent is killing a boss in 20 seconds

[dense sundial]

i started a 1.4.5 run, last thing i did was reach hardmode, and i have to say i enjoyed literally everything except for every boss

[dull heart]

EoC is good I'd say

and empress

[knotty violet]

Vanilla ftw feels like a joke Gamemode,
Everything feels goofy when you fight it.
I hope malice mode isn’t as goofy

[misty wren]

eoc eol duke

[unique warren]

I kinda like Queen Bee?

[dull heart]

Yeah

[dense sundial]

duke and eol are very good

[unique warren]

She goes off screen too much but it’s a mild annoyance

[dense sundial]

eye is aight

[dull heart]

Skeletron maybe?

[tropic jolt]

I like twins

[strange cargo]

I dont think moon lord is terrible

[unique warren]

Hell no

[misty wren]

those are the 3 well designed vanilla bosses the rest of them are kinda grating

[dense sundial]

yeah no i hate queen bee

like Really hate

[unique warren]

HELL no Skeletron ain’t invited

[dull heart]

Queen Bee is idk

[strange cargo]

Twins is great

[misty wren]

vanilla moon lord does not belong in a discussion about good vanilla bosses

[dull heart]

Vanilla moon lord is probably its worst boss

[misty wren]

im sorry it just doesnt

[tropic jolt]

ironically betsy is better than half the vanilla bosses

[unique warren]

Anyways yeah please play base souls on 2.0 release ffs

[tropic jolt]

yet isnt counted as a boss

[dense sundial]

skeletron i'm close to enjoying except that the way its skulls are aimed is absolutely incomprehensible

[dull heart]

vanilla's best bosses are both only available in classic!!! can you guess what they are

[misty wren]

vanilla moon lord is easily the worst vanilla boss and thats saying something because vanilla destroyer exists

[tropic jolt]

eol and deerclops

[unique warren]

Literally circle him

[dusk bronze]

eol and uhhh

idk

[dense sundial]

betsy is somewhat arguably the best boss in the game

[unique warren]

EoL is better in expert

[dull heart]

EoL and deerclops

[unique warren]

I know it has the funny things in classic

[pulsar cobalt]

o true deerclops just becomes worse in expert

[unique warren]

They’re piss easy to dodge

[tropic jolt]

fought betsy just yesterday in my 1.4.5 playthrough and it was very fun

[hard copper]

Deerclops is so bad...

[unique warren]

Too easy too dodge

[dull heart]

It losing her most interesting attack kinda sucks

[strange cargo]

I’ll just see myself out

[dull heart]

I agree she's too easy in classic but I think she's also better designed

[unique warren]

Her most lame and boring slop attack gone oh no woe is me

[dense sundial]

and ooa is the most fair and thoroughly structured event in the game

[hard copper]

The slow debuff and being frozen

[dull heart]

OOA has one MAJOR flaw

[dense sundial]

why did they concentrate half the game's good combat design into one crossover event

[misty wren]

you know what i think should be removed from eols fight

[unique warren]

I hate that this is true even though Martian Saucer is a great mini boss

[dull heart]

The amount of times you have to grind it

[unique warren]

But the rest of Martian madness just fucking sucks

[misty wren]

fucking everlasting rainbow

[arctic cliff]

whats that?

[tropic jolt]

never could have seen this one coming

[dull heart]

Lance walls

[tropic jolt]

[dense sundial]

i think that one p2 attack chain that ends in sun dance should be removed

ykwim

[unique warren]

It’s a fine attack I guess???

Anyways play Souls it has good bosses unlike cal

[dull heart]

Lance walls are 7x better than lance fans

[unique warren]

Nah uh Cal has a couple

[tropic jolt]

rude!

[dense sundial]

cal has brain and dog now

[dull heart]

cal has two good bosses

[unique warren]

True

[tropic jolt]

cal has 2.2 good bosses

[dull heart]

maybe 4 if I'm generous

[dense sundial]

and souls still has a decent amount of junk left

[dull heart]

Actually I could see up to like 6

[tropic jolt]

calamitas is 0.2 of a good boss

[unique warren]

I like scal quite a bit

[dense sundial]

can we count ceaseless void as at least a third of a good boss

[unique warren]

Hive Mind is oddly fantastic

[hasty tangle]

provi is good

[tropic jolt]

I WONDER WHY

[unique warren]

It’s almost like someone else made that boss

Ooh I wonder why

[dusk bronze]

[dense sundial]

hive mind is not good because it still has skeletron prime dark heart 🥀

[tropic jolt]

but fabsol still managed to fuck up hive mind even though he didnt make it

[dull heart]

Not after 2.1

[misty wren]

doze do you know what ai changes eol has in phase 3 i want to restructure her wiki page but i dont know where the phase 3 ai changes end

[dull heart]

Idk

[dense sundial]

2.1 is the very reason i said that lol

[sinful dagger]

Vanilla moon lord has some abject bullshit in his second phase

[dusk bronze]

true

[tropic jolt]

ML may be the worst boss in vanilla

[dense sundial]

okay real talk about ml

[tropic jolt]

or at least top 3

[pulsar cobalt]

ml is

[dense sundial]

Phantasmal Eye is the worst attack in the entire game

[sinful dagger]

The first phase is ok though

[pulsar cobalt]

something in vanilla

[unique warren]

Dude I need to get on track with my 2.0 run, EoC by itself may have been the best boss I’ve fought in years

[dull heart]

second worst

[dense sundial]

what's the first

[dull heart]

True eye death Ray worse

[pulsar cobalt]

yea mini rays are the worst

[misty wren]

true eye death ray is worse*
*when not isolated

[unique warren]

Like idc about no Malice DoG give me Eternity Eye and I will thrive

[pulsar cobalt]

they make an already rungoddable fight require it

[sinful dagger]

Regular phantasmal death ray is fine, it’s barely dodgeable with beetle tier wings though so you gotta farm Duke

[dull heart]

true eye is worse in the context of the game as it is

[misty wren]

when isolated its really easy but in the context of the rest of the fight its horrible

[knotty violet]

I wonder how malice moon lord will change

[misty wren]

not really its not super hard to dodge if you build an arena

[dull heart]

He'll punch you

[dense sundial]

you know what else does that? phantasmal eye

[dull heart]

Not as much tbh

[tropic jolt]

does anybody even want to bother reworking ML

[dull heart]

Phantasmal eye I don't actually find that bad

[tropic jolt]

sounds like a total pain

[knotty violet]

Moon lord is gonna throw hands??

[dull heart]

Also which phantasmal eye

True Eye or Hands

[sinful dagger]

You have to be pretty proactive for the pass over the head to not be close as fuck

[hard copper]

Will malice ml have the boulders?

[sinful dagger]

The main one in the first phase

[dense sundial]

that attack comes out and the surrounding area is covered in a solid wall of sharply homing explosives for like 8 seconds

[dull heart]

OH WAIT

I WAS THINKING PHANTASMAL SPHERE

Eye is still not as bad as true eye deathray

But yeah it's bad

[dense sundial]

in my 2.1 true melee tests on moon lord i just suddenly became furious every time i turned around

because you Can't turn around

[knotty violet]

He’s supposed to be a big story boss
I feel like the two bosses that are made to divide chunks of the game deserve some cool stuff
Prehardmode ends with WoF
hardmode ends with ML

[dull heart]

Simply use wulfrum acrobatics dissonance

[dusk bronze]

[unique warren]

Yeah uh ML is unfortunately just not a good boss

[dull heart]

I haven't seen anyone touch wacro dissonance yet

[unique warren]

If you don’t play Souls that is

[hasty tangle]

doesnt he have some of the worst spaghetti code in vanilla or smth?

[dull heart]

Yes

[earnest jewel]

I mean, yeah, he's huge, takes up most of the screen!

[dense sundial]

moon lord code has a 4d array, which is a list of lists of lists of lists

[misty wren]

yes

[wicked cape]

the building blocks 2.1 added are the most underrated part of the update, every single one is so beautiful and such a tool to builders omg

[misty wren]

ml code is evil

[sinful dagger]

Running in an up and down zigzag and passing over the head for the death ray works fine in phase 1

After that it’s mainly just asphalt and chlorophyte bullets

[dull heart]

guh

What needs a 4d array

Why

[pulsar cobalt]

something totally needed it (idk)

i should read it sometime tho

[knotty violet]

Is ML code that bad?

[hasty tangle]

apparently

[vivid hemlock]

from what ive heard its horrific

[knotty violet]

Moon lord rework made to make you feel like you are going insane to describe how bad his code is

[dull heart]

I'm terrified of roots moon lord rework

[hasty tangle]

ml does resemble cthulhu i suppose, so it only makes sense that viewing his code would induce cthulhu-exposure-like symptoms in the victims

[vivid hemlock]

🔥 ❓

[tropic jolt]

🔥✍️

[dull heart]

Wait true

[deft lily]

let him cook

[dense sundial]

ml is implied somewhat to Be cthulhu, so it only makes sense that the fight is a dumpster fire so it induces mania and loss of sanity in the players

[radiant sparrow]

for death goliath, what should i be using for damage? im using the samsara slicer rn

[steel pike]

[frozen horizon]

So Signus have any planned resprites?

[vivid hemlock]

yes

you wont see it ingame for a while probably

[frozen horizon]

Do we have any concept art?

[strange cargo]

Why dont you have cosmilite role here?

Out of curiosity

[vivid hemlock]

not an active patron rn

[strange cargo]

Ah

[vivid hemlock]

concept art and two animations

[strange cargo]

Understandable

[frozen horizon]

Could you send the animations and concept art?

[lapis oak]

poor sod

[vivid hemlock]

one day you will be tormented under the eternal barrier of hell

[lapis oak]

😨

[frozen horizon]

This guy looks more like a devourer than Dog does.

[hard copper]

would be funny if signus dropped statis's arm and leg

[frozen horizon]

It cost Statis an Arm and a Leg to escape the Distortion.

[naive elk]

Meow

[hard copper]

meow

[strange cargo]

Kinda feels like those three crafting materials dont give a lot in crafting compared to other stuff

Meow

[frozen horizon]

Woem

[lapis oak]

trying to watch the new Fables update video review but oh my fucking god what's the obsession with the bloom

fucking bloom level turned up like 10000%

fuck is wrong with Youtube contents

[naive elk]

More saturated colors attract more eyes probably

[lapis oak]

it wasn't even saturated it's just fucking white 😭

[raw pendant]

Bloom shouldn't be overused..

Then it gets old

[naive elk]

Ok wtf is that lmao

[raw pendant]

And fogs up things

[naive elk]

Lights and shadow mod moment

[buoyant sun]

whats method for the plague canisters

[raw pendant]

I never get why some tmod youtubers overadd bloom in post

[lapis oak]

this also reminded me of like some guide videos a while ago when the saturation + bloom were at like out of the wazoo

[frozen horizon]

Discord Light Mode, these tricks do not work on me.

[naive elk]

Thats not even in post. Thats ingame.

[raw pendant]

That's minor bloom which is okay for like torches and stuff but it gets very annoying with the midday sky

[raw pendant]

Not referring to the one sent

I mean in general

[lapis oak]

omg yes videos like these

[raw pendant]

YES

[lapis oak]

holy shit it's so fucking

😭

[raw pendant]

It looks cool at times but like

[raw pendant]

Fucking regen potion

Is glowing

[naive elk]

[buoyant sun]

anyone here

[vivid hemlock]

oh god yeah thse videos 😭

[lapis oak]

Youtube comments scene lol

glowing mfs

[naive elk]

Duplicate clip layer + blur + blending moment

[lapis oak]

and then in the comment sections people went like "omg so high quality" like you're not real 😭

[hollow edge]

My calamity version is still 2.0 instead of the brainstorm update. Do i uninstall calamity and reinstall it?

[naive elk]

That lowk kinda hurts to look at ngl...

[raw pendant]

Oh yeah also

Some of the

Maximum quality boss fight videos

The super framerate kills so many motions terraria has

https://youtu.be/f-voqNIGaz8?si=UdbB_xl3qHlo4UaW like literally this

[naive elk]

Try unsub from steam workshop then resub

[frozen horizon]

That looks like a virus (I know it's most likely not.

[lapis oak]

verify tModloader it'll force to update

[ashen pivot]

those stupid ass movement mods man

[ashen pivot]

i hate how they make your character bob around the screen

[raw pendant]

Like it literally kills the immersion of terrarias movement

Which is apparent when he throws you to the ground

Its just

[frozen horizon]

Screenshake has almost no place during combat.

[raw pendant]

Holy shit man

[ashen pivot]

i've seen screenshake work in infernum fights

[hollow edge]

nope, it's still 2.0. I'll verify it

[ashen pivot]

i still turn it down a bit though

[hollow edge]

How do i do that? it's been awhile since i've done some internal work

[lapis oak]

right click tMod -> Properties -> Installed Files -> Verify integrity of game files

[gloomy grove]

make sure you have no local copy of the mod

[naive elk]

Yeah just watched that vid abd i dont really like that movement

[raw pendant]

Its terraria overhaul camera smoothness that removes alot of modded screenshaking

[naive elk]

Thats from overhaul mod iirc

[raw pendant]

I can tell this guy has it enabled

[ashen pivot]

i remember terraria overhaul sucking ass the last time i used it

only thing i enjoyed was the trees falling down instead of exploding when you finished chopping them down

[naive elk]

I like blood

[fathom girder]

yeahhh overhaul is bleh

don't bother

[deft lily]

i dont like those videos

very flashy and just aren't rlly my thing

[hollow edge]

It's the gosh darn local copy keeping me locked in the past because i made a mod pack out of them for friends.

Also i found out i can't do mastermode/revengeance now. Only master mode/death. Hoo boy

[ashen pivot]

i like modded terraria's vfx but it gets to a point sometimes

[hollow edge]

That means i have to soon deal with DOG's mouth instakilling

[ashen pivot]

the humble ram dash:

[hollow edge]

And among other things since i did NOT touch death mode

[frozen horizon]

Vampire.

[dull heart]

Dog hasn't insta killed in a long long time

like at least 3 years

[lapis oak]

I got instakilled

(full invigorating build)

[grim pecan]

skill issue

[lapis oak]

the chud build that I used 😊

[grim pecan]

skissue

[lapis oak]

beating u up

anyways I'm curious of how worth is AI now that it's been buffed a lot

it feels nice to use

[west glen]

Malice dog is too easy bro even guardian is harde

Er

[hollow edge]

i thought they got rid of malice?

[west glen]

@hollow edge its back on legendary

Legendary malice

Hardest boss is skeletron in malice

[deft lily]

man the amount of ppl who are out of the loop on cal is kind of shocking tbh

[hollow edge]

if you're referring to me then my b on that. Busy with other things than watching the latest updates on calamity stuff

[lyric trellis]

Well that’s kinda what happens after no actual update for nearly 2 years

[deft lily]

no its fine lol it just is surprising to me idk why

[deft lily]

sort of just feels like most ppl in the cal space are stuck between 2020 and 2022

[hollow edge]

i wasn't out of the loop to that incident involving...hmmm

[west glen]

How can i get fabstaff

[hollow edge]

cirrus the drunken princess' retcon.

[buoyant sun]

yo what would be the best ranger weapon for plaguebringer

[grim pecan]

renamed to sylvestaff, fabstaff was removed

[deft lily]

no surprise there
literally everybody showed up that day lol

like all of the old ppl who ditched the horse years prior

[buoyant sun]

o what would be the best ranger weapon for plaguebringer

or something good

[hollow edge]

slight joke suggestion. Midas Prime

[buoyant sun]

can we do a no joke suggestion im still on the weapon i usewd for plantera

[hollow edge]

i say slight because the coins and not worrying to aim is pretty good

so good that bullets were made specifically for coin damage

[misty wren]

ok but like that also isnt not worrying about aim

[lyric trellis]

Shoutout to the Cal player stuck on April 1st 2020

[hollow edge]

equip midas prime, throw coins, switch to a gun that uses bullets, and fire for big damage. usually on sniper rifles.

[misty wren]

if anything its harder to aim because you have a much smaller area to hit

[deft lily]

lol

[west glen]

What the best class for malice. Difficulty? Im pre mechs

[buoyant sun]

thas like cheese

[polar tide]

meow

[deft lily]

shut up

/j

[hollow edge]

Not when the game has made bullets specifically for said cheese

[polar tide]

why do i even fucking bother

[buoyant sun]

id like to use a bow or a gun

[deft lily]

NO

IMSORRY

[buoyant sun]

but not the midas weapon

[deft lily]

:(

[misty wren]

if you want to not worry about aiming there are far better things to use than midas prime

[deft lily]

-# did i make u genuinely upset if so im sorry

[hollow edge]

Well if you're post plantera you can just get monsoon?

[hollow edge]

though that requires defeating duke

[polar tide]

NO YOU DIDNT SORRY

[buoyant sun]

i killed thje golem

[deft lily]

ok phew

[tropic jolt]

😭

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/daamn-bird-daamn-bird-sentry-tf2-sentry-mini-sentry-gif-4882231901443475625

[deft lily]

hi cyver

[tropic jolt]

hii

[hollow edge]

did i say monsoon? I mean tsunami

[tropic jolt]

should I get 8 hours of sleep tonight or should I talk in here for 4 hours

[buoyant sun]

im going to

murder

the fishron

[deft lily]

woag

[hollow edge]

as someone who's getting old in their mid 20's. Get your 8 hours.

[tropic jolt]

😔

[polar tide]

spy sappin my DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[deft lily]

[grim pecan]

🐱 💥

[deft lily]

i think nobody should sleep

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-fail-gif-6062048

[deft lily]

everyone should be forced to stay awake

[radiant sparrow]

Plaguebringer in death mode is pretty tanky ngl

[tropic jolt]

🪬

[iron dew]

[hollow edge]

i'm personally gonna sleep now that i'm up to date with calamity. all this time my mod pack was stopping me from updating

[deft lily]

since when was 12 o clock am a person 🤔

[iron dew]

since forever

[deft lily]

i see...

[buoyant sun]

just had a 12 minute fight on duke fishron bro

i need a beter weapon someone pls

something that doesnt require any post golem bosses but still strong

[deft lily]

what class r u

[lean relic]

where do you guys think driftwood belongs to

[fathom girder]

timeless shores

Everything there is dead

[hard copper]

Vengeful sun staff

[buoyant sun]

this is summon

i need ranger

[gleaming saddle]

Why can’t I download calamity music add on

[radiant sparrow]

:( too many minions

[brittle escarp]

Blossom flux and Leviatitan are both really good. Tsunami too, obviously, if you are willing to grind fishron

Megalodon and dungeon guns kinda suck ngl

[buoyant sun]

im using levitatan rn i do good damage ubt

i heal nothing bro

[brittle escarp]

Might also be some arsenal weapons

[buoyant sun]

680 hp i heal 150

[misty wren]

yeah thats what it usually is

[brittle escarp]

Isn't the Nidhogg around that point?

that one is good

there is a good charge weapon I used against leviathan

I forget what its called

the magna cannon upgrade

that one is good

[misty wren]

ranger doesnt have access to lifesteal until bloodflare so you're out of luck there too

[brittle escarp]

true

Also, just finished my true melee playthrough. Melee is so tanky

full on face tank in deathmode at some points

its really fun

also the Earth is goated now

its so cool

[buoyant sun]

its hard to kill plaguebringer man

i use the arena thats like

yk

is this a good kit

[brittle escarp]

True. If you want to, the easiest path is Plantera->Leviathan->Golem->Cultist. Then, you either use pillar weapons and go back to clear, or just kill moonlord and then do the same

[buoyant sun]

this could be the method

[brittle escarp]

Moonlord is easier than any of the non-ravager post golem bosses imo

[brittle escarp]

I do this when its a really tough run

[buoyant sun]

cultist drops any good ranger?

imma try to kill him rn

[brittle escarp]

More the vortex pillar. The vortex popper is goated, phantasm is good, that kinda stuff

[misty wren]

drops no ranger

[brittle escarp]

spectralstorm cannon is ok

[misty wren]

drops the crafting station to make new ranger stuff

[brittle escarp]

disseminator is ok

[misty wren]

ive heard phantasm is really good with grape beer

[brittle escarp]

I believed I mostly used the vortexpopper with chlorophyte bullets, and then the phantasm with the splitting plantera arrows I think

[brittle escarp]

it does reduce crit damage by 75%, and most of ranger damage (especially post moonlord) is crit damage

[misty wren]

not on phantasm

[brittle escarp]

It dropped my damage to almost 10% against providence

[brittle escarp]

fair enough

[lyric trellis]

Doesn’t exist anymore

[brittle escarp]

It could definitely be good before Daawnlight

[brittle escarp]

oh right

the conference call I meant

[misty wren]

phantasm gets most of its damage from the part where it gets a whole assload of projectiles and making sure every projectile hits means you get more extra projectiles

[buoyant sun]

cultist dead LOL

easiest boss ever

[radiant sparrow]

wow dude death plaguebringer goliath is so fucking cringe

[buoyant sun]

okay so what pillar should i go after first

[misty wren]

vortex is the relevant one for you

[brittle escarp]

its so nasty

Especially with no plague immunity

[fathom thunder]

for infernum whats the best choice for exo mechs?

[fathom girder]

who knows

go to addon talk for that

[brittle escarp]

I tried infernum once and Providence almost bricked my computer lol

one billion visual effects

[fathom girder]

the beat drop syncing with her attacks was too much for the cpu

[brittle escarp]

True

[radiant sparrow]

the minions ar ethe fuckign worst too

me no like

[brittle escarp]

yeah

Wait is this infernum plaguebringer or normal

I am not familliar with infernum

[fathom girder]

The trick for her is like

[radiant sparrow]

not infernum

[fathom girder]

circle strafing basically lul

[brittle escarp]

ok dope

[fathom girder]

circle strafe

[brittle escarp]

true

[fathom girder]

be fast

[brittle escarp]

dashing through is nice, but the diagonal dashes are rough

I always get hit by those

[fathom girder]

her minions are priority number one

[brittle escarp]

ram dash >>>> bonk dash

imo

[brittle escarp]

piercing and exploding weapons are great

like snowman cannon type things

[fathom girder]

debatable with high ruler and its new rebound tech

you know about that right

[brittle escarp]

no?

Wait is High Ruler goated now?

[fathom girder]

's something doze added in brainstorm and buffed

[buoyant sun]

124 vortex fargments obtained what should i make yall

[fathom girder]

Basically, if you do a bonk dash, hold the opposite direction and when you land the bonk you'll get sent FLYING the opposite direction

it's movement tech

[brittle escarp]

Yo thats sick

I wish I had known about that for my true melee run lol

that sounds goated

[radiant sparrow]

27 fucking attemps so far dude

[fathom girder]

with high ruler having a good dash distance, that plus the tech ends up being swag

[brittle escarp]

I am a huge phantasm and vortexpopper (w/chlorophyte bullets) fan

[buoyant sun]

i only see vortexbeater

[brittle escarp]

Oof, thats rough. Are you running the ranger plague armor with the alchemist's flask

[brittle escarp]

did you do martian madness?

[radiant sparrow]

im rogue

[brittle escarp]

for the xenopopper

[brittle escarp]

oh, in that case no clue

[buoyant sun]

nahh

imma do phantasm

cause i like bows ngl

[brittle escarp]

Phantasm is awesome

[fathom girder]

phantasm's swag

[misty wren]

phantasm is great

[buoyant sun]

ooh this is my first bow that i get to choose my own arrows

i been on wooden all my life

any tips ngl

[brittle escarp]

I would try either venom arrows or sprouting arrows

idk how much defense moonlord has

[amber egret]

hold on Affliction only applies buffs to Teammates ?

[fathom girder]

Anything with high damage will do you well

[amber egret]

i thought it provided buffs to everyone equally

[brittle escarp]

and yourself

its teammates and self

[amber egret]

the wiki phrases it weirdly

[brittle escarp]

I think you count as a "teammate" because you are a person on the team

[fathom girder]

that should be an easy check

unequip it and see if your life/defense gets reduced

[nocturne isle]

True

[main valve]

man the new ursa sergeant is so cool

but did it really need to do dmg to the player

:/

[brittle escarp]

Isn't there some stuff after Deus that makes you immune to the infection?

[radiant sparrow]

yeah dude fuck death plague

this is rubbish

[buoyant sun]

plague doctor is DOWN

this phantasm is so tuff bro

[brittle escarp]

Do you have all the arena stuff like bast statues, heart lanters, campfires, etc?

Certain accessories that give bonus defense or regen when debuffed

I think ambrosial ampule halves the duration of sickness based debuffs

the margarita halves it again

[radiant sparrow]

ambrosal is pillars bro

[brittle escarp]

really?

huh

then not that one

[radiant sparrow]

needs solar fragmentsd

[brittle escarp]

Is the Margarita available?

[radiant sparrow]

i mean i could probably skip plague ngl

[buoyant sun]

i might just use phantasm until moonlord

[brittle escarp]

also true

Idk, the psot golem bosses are way harder than cultist, and drop way worse stuff

There is legitimately no reason to not just do cultist unless you are against tier skipping, which is fair

Purely for ease of playing, cultist is the way to go

[buoyant sun]

alright yall who i buy prismatic lacewing from

[brittle escarp]

zoologist

[buoyant sun]

first try empress of light

first ever time doing it on revengance

wish me luck

[brittle escarp]

👍

[buoyant sun]

forgot it has to be night time

36k damasge to my dome im dead

[brittle escarp]

lol, yeah

her accessory is super good tho

better magiluminescence

[buoyant sun]

yea i also want her wings

[radiant sparrow]

im so mad

[brittle escarp]

Are those or fishron wings better

[brittle escarp]

Just one more attempt 🙏

Do you have one of the wizard's candles?

those are goated

[radiant sparrow]

yeah

[fathom girder]

which weapon are you usin' rn

[fathom girder]

Blood pact? I betcha infected crystal or some regen stuff could replace that

the weapons look fine tho

[brittle escarp]

I honestly would drop the boots ngl

the fishron wings are good enough, especially with a dash

[fathom girder]

big regen helps a lot for dealing with annoying debuffs

[brittle escarp]

true

[fathom girder]

main reason why I find ankh whining entirely irrelevant

you have more creative solutions than that

[brittle escarp]

The only thing that annoys me about no ankh was when I had a marble biome right next to the plantera arena, and I kept getting petrified

thats such a specific case tho

maybe bleeding is a tiny bit annoying?

[fathom girder]

okay that's such BM lmaooo

[misty wren]

ankh is only seen as necessary because vanilla debuff design is bullshit

[fathom girder]

fighting the plant and suddenly you shatter on the ground

[misty wren]

genuinely outside of a couple debuffs that arent just recolored on fire they're bad

[brittle escarp]

The debuff of "you die"

thats the gimmick

[grave rock]

gotta love the random debuff that one rare enemy inflicts that makes u unable to do anything

[brittle escarp]

the one where you cannot use any items for like 15 seconds is actually horrendous

YEAH

[fathom girder]

just like real life

[brittle escarp]

that one

And you can't kill it, so it just hits you again

[fathom girder]

you get infected with the flu and whoops now you can't do anything and also are dying

[brittle escarp]

True

[fathom girder]

they should make poison and its upgrades apply a slow

[brittle escarp]

straight up, the flu is worse than a broken bone

If equal duration

[fathom girder]

okay I don't take months to recover from the flu

[brittle escarp]

Bein on crutches was less debilitating than having the flu for 2 weeks

[radiant sparrow]

dude this boss is genuinely giving me brain cancer like fuck me

[misty wren]

like i know a lot of people want more unique debuffs but considering vanillas track record im fine with just various recolored on fires

[fathom girder]

it's inflicting the plague, not inflicting brain cancer

smh

[terse dew]

who are we killing

[brittle escarp]

Honestly, I would skip it

[fathom girder]

honestly calamity's done enough for debuffs

[brittle escarp]

its only really worth it for ranger and even then not really

[fathom girder]

the whole system is very interesting and fun to work with now

[brittle escarp]

plague bringer is WAY too hard for how good its drops are

Other bosses are easier and have better drops

teh only reason to do it is if you are trying to not skip any bosses

[fathom girder]

I could kill goliath in my sleep idk what the issue is here

Just slap a platform down and circle strafe that mfer

[brittle escarp]

Idk, he is harder fishron with worse drops

[misty wren]

shes not that bad

[brittle escarp]

Not impossible just no incentive

[fathom girder]

The incentive is cool plague weapons

[brittle escarp]

She is like 8/10 difficult if new DoG is 10 and slime god is 1

maybe 7/10

[radiant sparrow]

and?

its not you

[fathom girder]

ofc

I'm just not sure where your strategy's failing

[brittle escarp]

If you are not committed to rogue only, having some summons/sentries to get rid of or at least knockback some of the spawns could help

[tacit zephyr]

Yeah I also wanted to look this up in the discord to see if anyone else talked about it, it's so cool. I think you have to be standing still for it happen

I was just sitting afk in a server with my friend and was in tabs and was like "wtf is whispering in my ear"

[radiant sparrow]

first off, have you done death?

yes or no

[fathom girder]

if I had a nickel for every time a water based accessory spoke to me while I was afk

I'd have two nickels

which isn't a lot

but it's weird that it happened twice

[fathom girder]

yeag

idk what else I can tell ya tho

[brittle escarp]

Is rogue still kinda weak? It might honestly just be that

I don't know enough about rogue to say for sure

[fathom girder]

a war of attrition ain't much to sneeze at

slap on some regennnnnn

[radiant sparrow]

dude fuck this boss ngl

[brittle escarp]

Just in case, you are below ground, yes?

[fathom girder]

She doesn't have an enrage anymore pretty sure

[brittle escarp]

?

huh

[fathom girder]

am I crazy

[brittle escarp]

ok nvm

idk

[fathom girder]

lmao

[brittle escarp]

i always use the plantera arena

[radiant sparrow]

i find that i usually have a hard time in the underground as her attacks blend in

[brittle escarp]

fair

Does death mode still make things darker?

[radiant sparrow]

i just keep making stupid mistakes that cost me the run

[brittle escarp]

is that still a thing?

are you fully buffed up with all your potions and stuff