calamity-update-talk

[steel pike]

you gotta watch ts beo

[blazing field]

alternate reality where humans coexisted with nonavian dinosaurs i feel like

[deep bough]

prehistoric kfc

[steel pike]

Its so fucking scary and funnt at the same tome

[blazing field]

small dromaeosaurids would probably be domesticated much like dogs orcats

[steel pike]

funny* time*

i cant type but please i love kaprosuchus

[deft lily]

i think calamity should bring back the dinosaurs

[solemn crest]

was this from calamity or was it from something else?

[deft lily]

trust

[dusty tinsel]

Turkey dino

[hasty hawk]

Considering their aggressiveness and their capability to just disembowel someone, probably not

[blazing field]

ehhh not really

[hasty hawk]

we dont have pet cassowaries for a reason

[steel pike]

calamity x ark when 👀

[blazing field]

we dont know anything about agressiveness

its not really

[steel pike]

noglin would fit like right into calamitt

[earnest jewel]

Randomly flashing the screen? Not from Calamity.

[blazing field]

possible to determine how docile or agressive a extyinct animal would be

and as for the capability to disembowel someone,

so could wolves

[hasty hawk]

100% not cal

[blazing field]

its really not any different

[dusty tinsel]

Utah raptors are cool also

[steel pike]

woman3 what do you think of abelisauridae

[dusty tinsel]

Just bigger velociraptors

[blazing field]

abelisaurids are cool

[blazing field]

Ok now THAT shit we wouldn't domestricate

thing would fucking eat a person

[steel pike]

theres my favorites i love the arms

[lyric trellis]

What lmao

[steel pike]

do yk the ark giga

[dusk bronze]

can you say what specifically he did

[steel pike]

that we would domesticate

[solemn crest]

i have found out apparently its a WotG thing

[deft lily]

well there u go

[steel pike]

its like 4 times the sixe of a t rex which is 10 times the size of an irl t rex in game

[dusty tinsel]

Utah raptors are as big as people and people domesticate (or at least try animals of all sizes lol(

[steel pike]

Theyre like 9 feet tall if im correct

[blazing field]

like the entire reason we managed to domesticate dogs and cats is because they went to human settlements to get small bits of food and were small enough where they didnt actually want to risk hunting ppl cuz we could fight back specially due to the large amount of ppl in a settlement

It was a symbiotic relationsship where they fed on scraps and food and offered additional proteciton n that slowly lead to us domesticating them

[steel pike]

or more like 8

[dull heart]

specifically the movement thing

[blazing field]

i think smth like a velociraptor would prob fit that bar well

cuz like

realistically

we could fucking punt a velociraptor dude 😭

[dusty tinsel]

Games and movies calling utahraptors velociraptors should be a crime

[blazing field]

its like fighting a turkey basically, it can very much

fuck you up

but also

you can punt it

[steel pike]

Agreed

[blazing field]

turkeys r kinda scary

like

[steel pike]

Same with grouping pterosaurs and aquatic reptiles in wirh dinosaurs

[blazing field]

they can m ake some nasty wounds on people

[steel pike]

like how are people gonna know if you treat em the same

[dusty tinsel]

At least pterosaurs are arkasaurs

So they are closer to Dino's than the aquatic ones

[steel pike]

Yeah

[blazing field]

anyways as much as i like indulging my biology autism this is probably not the place for it

[steel pike]

laughs in liopleuradon

True

[dusty tinsel]

Jurassic world making the fricken mosasaur like almost 100 meters was funny

[steel pike]

True bro

[vivid hemlock]

no you see just shift it to be reworked acid rain related

[dusty tinsel]

Fun fact the mosasaur in that move got bigger every time it was on screen 😂

[sinful dagger]

So is there a reason storm weaver charges you in the middle of the bullet waves

[steel pike]

The only one they did kinda rifht was carnotaurus cuz it was revealed they didnt have feathers

which im glad cuz irs mt fav animal

[sinful dagger]

Cause I'm tempted to just get better gear from polterghast rather than deal with this nonsense

[sleek jetty]

love how reworked bloom stone is just corpsebloom from ror2 lol

[dusty tinsel]

Y'all heard of that ichthyosaur where they predicted the thing was at least 75ft long based on the single jaw bone they have

[granite sapphire]

you mean the obese ancient fish?

I only know it cuz of arm

ark

It's like always my first water tame if I don't get the basilo first

[dusty tinsel]

Well it isn't a fish

[granite sapphire]

okay erm actually

[dusty tinsel]

Is the one with the dolphin like mouth

It's literally a reptile dolphin

Though I don't know if they stay in pods like dolphins do

[radiant sparrow]

I think yharim should be voiced when we fight him in 2060

[earnest jewel]

That costs too much.

Apparently when I offered '€5,000,000 is far too much' and 'who the hell even are you' and 'how did you get in my house', ridiculous I tell you.

[tame vortex]

disabled all mod exept calamity and calamity music still didnt work

[grim pecan]

please follow the instructions on the bug report forum and submit one

if calclone is having crashing issues that is something we need to know

[steel pike]

lee pace would make a good yharim

[tame vortex]

not crash ,freaze

[steel pike]

Or like jdm or jk simmons or something

[whole coyote]

Hey guys, so the Community is not working on the shimmer to get Shattered Community ( I am in the new version of calamity), Can someone help me?

[amber egret]

Community is given to SCal NPC to turn it into the Shattered Community

Shattered Community turns into the Community when shimmered

[earnest jewel]

That isn't how you get it.

Nor has it ever been.

As said, it's Exhumed by Calamitas.

[whole coyote]

oh ok, cause last month I was able to do that

[earnest jewel]

You couldn't have, that's never been a thing in Calamity.

[whole coyote]

maybe was a mod that installed, that made possible

[steel pike]

How would stuff like the terra blade fare against DoG

Not like reallt considering it but just curious

[modest hull]

it seems that it waas possible but the opposite? haha

[earnest jewel]

Poorly.

[dull heart]

badly

[earnest jewel]

That's how you get The Community back.

If for some reason you decided you didn't want a good accessory anymore.

[grave geyser]

you really need that 1 regen trust

[steel pike]

Id assume so but still fun to think abour

[finite ember]

is anyone having issues with multiplayer? My friends either crash while joining or a few minutes to an hour after. It was working fine for the first few days and we havent changed anything.

[fierce hearth]

god I hate trying to destroy walls, everything is so fucking slow at it

[steel pike]

TRUE

[high island]

someone for the love of god help me on the new brain of cthulu

[steel pike]

Walls are rhe final boss of the whole game

I fucking hate taking walls down

[fierce hearth]

uhhhh hm. I'm experiencing a new flavor of "minions keep despawning" bug

My Wither Blossoms keep vanishing after a few minutes, usually when I open my inventory

[sinful dagger]

That weapon's good for pre-golem and pre-lunar events, so like 4-5 tiers lower

Definitely no reason to use it once you get solar eruption

[fierce hearth]

wait I think I'm hitting the buff-cap, if that's still a thing

[dull heart]

Restart tmod

[fierce hearth]

will do

[jagged copper]

wow uh...Nebula Blaze just shredded ML

[fierce hearth]

just checked and saw that the buff cap was doubled anyway

[steel pike]

True most def

[lapis oak]

I will strangle you

[steel pike]

still such a fun weapon to swing around though i cant lie

same wirh the true nights edge

Why do they let you do this why

[steel pike]

Please do

[lapis oak]

Holy shit neww RLCraft beta just dropped

Time to play

[sinful dagger]

Mental disease

Is the RLCraft beta in an updated version of Minecraft or still in 1.12.2

[lapis oak]

Should still be 1.12.2

Many mods the pack uses died in 1.12.2 they didn't get updated anymore

[keen forge]

So what’s the beta about?

[lapis oak]

Idk some shits

The changelogs seems big so I wanna check that out

[dull heart]

you are lucky I have more self restraint now than I did this morning

[lapis oak]

Vas...

[sinful dagger]

Btw if you're looking for a difficult combat-based modpack for the newer versions, there's this one called Beyond Depth

[keen forge]

That one is pretty cool

[sinful dagger]

You still have the mental disease though I take it

[keen forge]

If you’re looking for a terraria-esq pack try lingo gango tons of cool weps and builds

[dull heart]

@steep pagoda hyperion

[vivid hemlock]

🥹

[steep pagoda]

OH!

THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS EXPECTING

AT ALL

LOL

😭

[dull heart]

it's exo polyphemalus

I have the most insane bossfight plan for it lol

[steep pagoda]

ITS PEAK?

or is it bleak

only time will tell??

[inner timber]

donthe projectiles fucking move with you bro is this undyne

[dull heart]

This bossfight may involve an entire Minecraft adventure map

[dull heart]

yea

[steep pagoda]

GIRL HUH

[dull heart]

let me cook trust

[steep pagoda]

this is like an arg

[dull heart]

my idea is

[steep pagoda]

😭

[dull heart]

the mod installs a world save into your Minecraft

And then you have to get a specific item in your inventory and it reads the save data to detect that

[inner timber]

"Let me show the the wrath of my machines." and then draedon sends a minecraft server ip in chat

[steep pagoda]

OK SO THIS IS AN ARG

[dull heart]

I don't think I'll actually do that one but I Might

[steep pagoda]

can you make it pirate minecraft for me

[dull heart]

I also might make you fight yourself but you're now controlling the boss

[steep pagoda]

☺️☺️

[dull heart]

Lemme find the list of ideas

[steep pagoda]

okieokie

i need to go for a bit but ill backread

this is not okay

[inner timber]

terrarian finding out why good boss design is important (im about to do the most bullshit things)

[dull heart]

This was a couple of them

I know there's more

No I do NOT remember what I was cooking with Slay the Princess

Before anyone asks

[tropic jolt]

no way you do this too

[inner timber]

can the farewell room be moonberry

[inner timber]

i do too

[dull heart]

I specifically meant by that

[inner timber]

ic

[dull heart]

An extra boss fight phase that only happens when you nohit

And don't use godmode

[tropic jolt]

is this confirmation that yharim will require you to complete farewell golden before fighting him

[dull heart]

small window would literally force your game window small

[tropic jolt]

does wait 10 minutes actually mean

[dull heart]

dream intermission would be like eventide island where you have absolutely nothing

[dull heart]

yes

I believe there was supposed to be something there and I just hadn't finished the idea

[dull heart]

And/or the dream intermission found in Celeste Mirror Temple

Where you play as a beholder and have to kill yourself

anyway that's all Hyperion had planned that I wrote down 🙂‍↕️

[earnest jewel]

Why does your one look like that? Is this the consequence of electron deprivation?

[dull heart]

lolll the overlap

[wispy blade]

SLAY THE PRINCESS MENTIONED

[dull heart]

peak...

I have literally no idea what I was cooking with Slay the Princess tho

Hyperion segment where it's an entire slay the princess loop but the princess is Hyperion

Wait that would cook

[earnest jewel]

Revengeance? You mean Solid?

[tropic jolt]

wait 10 minutes?

[dull heart]

nvm no fire emote

U were a minute slow

[cobalt kernel]

[tropic jolt]

NOOO

😭

[steel pike]

hello guyd

[lapis oak]

iOS moment

it's fucking bleak

[earnest jewel]

See there's your problem, you need to use a good device.

[steel pike]

Hey now iOS is fairly good

[earnest jewel]

And other hilarious jokes.

[hazy yoke]

is slagsplitter pauldron better with deep diver or counter scarf

[grave geyser]

diver

[hazy yoke]

ok

[steel pike]

three words:

blue

text

bubble

[earnest jewel]

???

[hazy yoke]

do clams only spawn from giant clam

[rancid pagoda]

no

[hazy yoke]

ok

[tropic jolt]

clamity mod

[steel pike]

lmao

[tropic jolt]

you're welcome

[steel pike]

[tropic jolt]

[steel pike]

🪃

[deft lily]

calamity

[tropic fable]

this?

[steel pike]

intelligent

[tropic jolt]

we our intelligence big

[steel pike]

certified genis

AI = albert instein

thats why its so smart

[tropic jolt]

Actual Intelligence 😁

AI

[granite sapphire]

Finally completed all 5 classes with only the new weapons

Or reworks

In terms of fun

1. Melee
2. Ranged
3. Mage
4. Summoner/Rogue

My favorite new/reworked weapons of each class
Melee: Devil's Devastation or Holy Collider
Ranged: Blissful Bombardier or Septic Skewer
Mage: Volterion or Countermeasure Mitt
Summoner: Saros' Possession
Rogue: The Old Reaper or Samsara Slicer

Oh yeah also my thoughts on each class

1. Melee reworks and weapons actually feel like melee instead of magic swords, and true melee got tons of love, very much liked
2. Ranger is a lot less soulless guns and bows that do the same thing as every other gun and bow
3. Mage feels less generic and feels much stronger now
4. Summoner albeit sort of the same now feels more fun, especially with weapons like Virid Vanguard
5. Rogue basically feels the same but also feels more attuned with the changes

[rotund goblet]

oathsword nerf 💔

[granite sapphire]

Not a nerf

it's actually good

[rotund goblet]

it’s good I agree but I feel like homing and piercing is a lot better

[granite sapphire]

the only people that do think it's a nerf are the people who can't aim

[rotund goblet]

(me)

[granite sapphire]

The old one barely pierced

The new one can actually pierce now after the third impale

[rotund goblet]

2>1 🤯

[rotund goblet]

it’s fake on anything that gets one shot by it

[granite sapphire]

I dont think you used oathsword

But yeah, new oathsword is significantly stronger

I'd actually go out of my way to get it now

Since before it was a weapon you'd get on accident unless you went searching intentionally

I'm probably gonna take a break again since I basically beat the update

Aside from all the small niche changes

[radiant sparrow]

btw is the pulse grenade not working with accessories that only use X amount of stealth not working an intended thing?

[naive sluice]

its the sword from the bone snakes aint it

[granite sapphire]

the other one

the demons

old lord is the bone serpent

[valid spire]

aw the flight potion doesnt restore flight anymore after TM Strike

[dusk bronze]

kid named white wine

[lapis oak]

I was about to edit my chart

but you know what

[lusty acorn]

isnt true melee getting more updates soon?

[lapis oak]

fuck it I'm not doing it

[lusty acorn]

im excited for that

[fathom girder]

True melee is getting KILLED in favor of a general heroic modifier across a variety of weapons

[dusk bronze]

you will be boiled

[valid spire]

also was the AotC change really necessary

[fathom girder]

yeah

[hasty tangle]

old aotc is basically back

[fathom girder]

the devs decided to do it so it was necessary

[hasty tangle]

with orderbringer

[lapis oak]

what changes

[fathom girder]

I assume they're talking about the fact that it's a good weapon now

it's too much for some melee players' brains

[lapis oak]

are we seriously talking about things from 2021

[dusk bronze]

doze made the big rip actually good

[fathom girder]

That's the only thing I can think of rn

[valid spire]

The AotC dash was pretty cool

[lapis oak]

not what I meant

[lapis oak]

it was useless

[arctic cliff]

True melee is getting KILLED in favor of it might get replaced by a general heroic modifier across a variety of weapons

[hasty tangle]

nvm

[dusk bronze]

superradiant slaughterer

[lapis oak]

have you seen anyone used it like seriously ever

[dull heart]

why would you keep the same one

2.1 is done

[valid spire]

does a lot of damage

and is visually cooler

[dull heart]

the dash removal wasn't me

[lapis oak]

I don't think it was visually cooler no

[dull heart]

i just made big rip actually a big rip

[valid spire]

it also lets you get close to the enemy for another parry

[lapis oak]

it's pretty underwhelming for such thing called Big Rip

[lapis oak]

ok I'll make a chart for 1 item the Pointer

[valid spire]

It takes slightl;y more skill but seems way cooler and does a lot of dmg

Idk i personally like that one more

[dull heart]

dreadmine

maybe evil smasher we'll see

[naive sluice]

why is true melee getting killed

[valid spire]

and you could combine it with exoblade dash

[lapis oak]

it doesn't do a lot of damage, your normal combo loop will do more

[arctic cliff]

true melee damage

[misty wren]

you can read the rest of the message to explain this

[valid spire]

You can use it as a side weapon

[lapis oak]

you just think it does a lot of damage because it's one big attack

but no

[arctic cliff]

if they killed true melee as a thing i'd probably would riot tho

but its just the damage type

[naive sluice]

it doesnt explain why, you rude dipshit

[valid spire]

I still liked it tho

[dusk bronze]

that's never happening ever

[valid spire]

like you can parry slahs slash slash and then big dash then parry slash slash slash

[tacit apex]

does the new luxors gift scale with your current weapon damage? is it still viable outside of early game?

[arctic cliff]

i mean, yeah obv

[valid spire]

kinda berserker ish

[lapis oak]

ye it's still the same thing, but instead of being completely disconnected to the whole weapon gameplay loop now it's part of the combo for optimal result

which is, better as a whole for the weapon itself

[arctic cliff]

@naive sluice @misty wren hey cool it off ya two

[tropic jolt]

evil calmity devs would do it...

its all part of the evil agenda

[arctic cliff]

no need to get violent about this

[tropic jolt]

its time for

[steel pike]

does their evil agenda include the air pocket in the right corner of my screen protector that wont let me switch channels

left*

[tropic jolt]

yes!

trapped forever

[steel pike]

NO…

[valid spire]

AotC should lowkey still let you dash if you wanted to

[naive sluice]

why kill the damage type tho, like what will happen to accesories and armour with buffs directly aimed at true melee damage

[steel pike]

now i must stay on topic… forever…

[misty wren]

changed to buff heroic damage or just melee damage

[arctic cliff]

the damage type is rather arbitrary and technically unneeded. its also pretty easy for the damage type to do insanely busted damage, since it stacks with melee damage

[valid spire]

Dang the post scal weapons look fire

[arctic cliff]

like if you want your tmelee weapons to be strong, you just make them strong

[valid spire]

so far the AotC change is like the only thing I like less about the update

the slash does look cooler tho

[lapis oak]

final straw before I leave it behind

[naive sluice]

i mean, isnt that a fair trade off, you have stronger weapons but you actively have to restrain your movement to be near a boss always to do damage

[misty wren]

the damage type is also enshrining something without a set definition which causes its own issues

[lapis oak]

stupid ass chud creation

[misty wren]

in theory yes, in practice this concept applies to more weapons than just melee ones

[valid spire]

I wish you could still rush the enemy with AotC

[pure maple]

Quick question: Are there any remaining sources of melee lifesteal outside of the vampire knives chain, like on armor or accessories in the new update?

I'm playing melee for the first time and I keep going to the wiki, reading through something, and forgetting to check the update log, and then coming back and seeing that the latest update has deleted the feature I crafted it for and replaced it with some other theoretically useful function.

[dense sundial]

see inferna cutter being true melee and redtide spear being false melee

[naive sluice]

this is more just calamity being dumb with its designations

[misty wren]

even in vanilla the community designations vary quite a bit

[dull heart]

yes

majestic guard line

gilded proboscis

lacerator

the mutilator

[arctic cliff]

doze would ya mind looking into reworking the inferna cutter

[dull heart]

yes i would mind

smh

[dense sundial]

or removing

[naive sluice]

change the sparks into on hit instead of on swing

[dense sundial]

it's kinda just There

[arctic cliff]

because honestly i see no reason to use it beyond using it as a material for grax

[lapis oak]

reminder to check out Blazing Core, Cleansing Blaze, Dragon's Breath and Photoviscerator new visuals

[arctic cliff]

and also it kinda conflicts with its predecessor being

[dense sundial]

so are feller and purity and grax

[arctic cliff]

yea

[misty wren]

ive seen people say stuff like nights edge isnt true melee because it has a nonconditional projectile, ive seen people say horsemans blade isnt true melee because it has a projectile in general, etc etc

[naive sluice]

the grax is used for polter tho

[naive sluice]

in true melee

[dense sundial]

night's edge projectile is anchored to the player and clearly a slash visually

[pure maple]

Thank you, so no more accessories just specific weapons

[dense sundial]

and i think it only exists because relogic doesn't want to change usestyle1

[dull heart]

i can't think of any accessories on melee yeha

rogue and mage have accessories

[misty wren]

even still people make that argument and it isnt necessarily wrong because true melee isnt an official relogic designation

[pure maple]

No armors either from what I'm reading but I havent checked post calamitas/exomechs stuff

[naive sluice]

honestly

the line between melee and rogue & ranged and rogue weapons also gets really blurry at times

[dull heart]

I don't think do

[pure maple]

Unless auric tesla has just not had the wiki page updated, it's been relegated entirely to a few small chains of weapons and 1 end-of-endgame armor set. I'm assuming this was done to make healing less accessible but are there other reasons I'm missing?

[dull heart]

what even had lifesteal on melee for armors before

Or accessories

I can't think of anything that was removed anytime recently

[misty wren]

i dont think there were any?

[pure maple]

It was The Feature of bloodflare for me previously

[dull heart]

I don't think melee Bloodflare ever did lifesteal

[pure maple]

Not percentage, heal-on-hit

[dull heart]

at least not within the last 4 years

but I might be wrong

It did have the hearts

[misty wren]

bloodflare had the hearts on hit yeah i dont know if those are gone or not

[dull heart]

Idk why Bloodflare there may have lost it tbh

Lifesteal in general will be getting a major look over soon tho

[pure maple]

It was a brainstorm change, removing the 4 health on hit from true melee and 2 health from projectiles and making the blood frenzy buff more consistent

[naive sluice]

brainstorm at it again

[misty wren]

yeah im not too sure why it was changed

[pure maple]

Same happened to reaver armor, the previously entirely durability focused tank armor there got hit with this change:

"Tank set bonus no longer grants 10 defense or 1.5 HP/s life regeneration. It no longer makes attacks grant lifesteal or speed up natural life regeneration, reflects 33% of contact damage back to the enemy, or spawns a thorn when hurt. Increased Reaver Rage duration when hurt from 3 seconds to 5."

[misty wren]

wait why did rogue bloodflare not lose its lifesteal rogue already has like 3 lifesteal accessories

[pure maple]

I'll do you one better:

Rouge lifesteal got fucking buffed

Vampiric talisman buff for No reason

[naive sluice]

Brainstorm at it again

[karmic oracle]

Hey is anyone else having a multiplayer bug that makes it to where projectiles dont work?

[naive sluice]

Brainstorm changed a lot of stuff that didnt really need changing for what felt for the sake of changing

[pure maple]

yeah!

[hasty tangle]

nah

[misty wren]

either the burrower bug is still in or your mod is outdated

[hasty tangle]

brainstorm updated a lot of mediocre content

made it actually good

[pure maple]

yeah but it also ruined random shit for no reason

[hasty tangle]

"ruined"

unfortunately its impossible to please everyone

[karmic oracle]

it must be the burrower bug, I saw someone mention the burrower worm in a reddit post but diddnt know if it was the cause

[naive sluice]

theres like 0 reason to use pogo stick now

[hasty tangle]

some people will inevitably love each random old thing that they decide to change

[karmic oracle]

are they patching it? or is there a way to stop the burrower from spawning?

[misty wren]

what version of calamity is your server running

[karmic oracle]

v2.1.1

[pure maple]

Scroll The Fuck Up

[misty wren]

ok so it is still a thing

afaik the solution is to relog

[naive sluice]

they shot star beam rye holy shit

[hasty tangle]

tanking was just nerfed across the board, boss damage was nerfed too

[misty wren]

fully deserved

[hasty tangle]

its not a personal attack on your pet item specifically

[pure maple]

it's not even my pet Item

as I said

not a melee player usually

[hasty tangle]

and this had to be done one way or another

[hasty tangle]

secondary to the point

[misty wren]

it was, to quote doze, completely unbalanceable in its old state

[hasty tangle]

it was nerfed because all defensive stuff was nerfed, because boss damage was nerfed

[misty wren]

im more wondering why rogue didnt get the lifesteal nerf

[naive sluice]

ur ignoring the fact that while at it they buffed/kept the lifesteal for the class that already had tons of lifesteal and then removed the lifesteal from other classes

[pure maple]

The way they nerfed tanking feels janky, and I'm hoping it gets another pass in the next major update

They nuked Melee tanking, kept rouge and mage durability, and made the sources of durability that remain inconsistently functional

[misty wren]

they didnt nerf tanking just to nerf tanking they nerfed tanking because they nerfed boss damage across the board

[hasty tangle]

i cant speak for every single accessory that they decided to change or not to change, but its really damn hard to perfectly balance everything in an update as massive as this

[naive sluice]

also why did some alchohols take the boring route of just buffing debuff damage

[hasty tangle]

you have to give them time for ppl to test things and find broken combos

[naive sluice]

do people even notice debuff damage

[misty wren]

melee tanking wasnt reliant on one armor set having 2-4 hp lifesteal on hit

[misty wren]

in this update yes

[hasty tangle]

plenty of alcohols do other interesting effects

[dull heart]

Yes

Debuff damage can be notable

[hasty tangle]

balance will inevitably be hammered out

[hasty tangle]

"""""nuked"""""

[pure maple]

nuked

[arctic cliff]

its easier to just drop gamebreaking shit and just take people's reports to figure out the problems

[dull heart]

tanking is so broken this update lol

[arctic cliff]

and then hone in and fix them

[misty wren]

if it was there would be much larger issues

[pure maple]

Played before, played after, very very different playstyle to tank

[dull heart]

yes

They are different

[misty wren]

different does not mean weaker

[pure maple]

this isn't about "perfect" balance, it's about the fact that one of the classes was completely unaffected by the otherwise near-complete removal of a feature

[misty wren]

except its a feature that wasnt widespread in the first place outside of that class and one other

[pure maple]

It used to be spread around but concentrated in the class who used it the best and most, and now that class has the least effective access to it

[dull heart]

That's not really true

Most of the defensive power before was in accessories anyway

[pure maple]

Honestly: tanking is theoretically better, but less satisfying to play

[misty wren]

outside of mage and rogue lifesteal was not a common thing

[dull heart]

And yes

Lifesteal is the problem

It needs to be heavily nerfed

[pure maple]

Needs

Needed?

[misty wren]

still needs

because across the board it got buffed this update by a reduction in lifesteal cooldown

[pure maple]

nods, gotcha

[granite sapphire]

eksplod

[lapis oak]

lifesteal is fucking broken

[granite sapphire]

its decent

[lapis oak]

+100 health every 5 seconds yes give me

[granite sapphire]

the cooldown tames 50 eons though

[pure maple]

explains why they went through and peeled it off most sources in brainstorm

[misty wren]

not anymore

[granite sapphire]

ah

[lapis oak]

nah

[granite sapphire]

neat i guess

[misty wren]

as i said, overall buff by reduction in lifesteal cooldown

its just barely higher than vanilla now iirc

[granite sapphire]

invigorating just got even crazier

no clickbait

regeneration is just immortality atp

[dull heart]

No

It's 0.15 per tick

9 HP/s

[stuck kite]

bloodflare melee and reaver tank dont have lifesteal anymore because they were parasitically eating them unconditionally

[dull heart]

Can store up to 70 in the bank

[lapis oak]

I'm talking Apoctosis Hydrothermic

😋

[dull heart]

It still abides the same cooldown

9/s average

[stuck kite]

what happened was that each life incurred by reaver lifesteal takes 4x as much off the lifesteal cooldown compared to vampire knives

[lapis oak]

ok nerd

how about you go uwu

[stuck kite]

so take that tankers you actually got buffed, not nerfed. know your stuff

[dull heart]

uwu

[lapis oak]

that's what I thought

[dull heart]

4x??

[pure maple]

The explanation is appreciated, any plans on giving alternative sustain sources to melee in the armor-and-accessories area outside of regen in the future?

[stuck kite]

bloodflare melee i think incurs 3x lifesteal cooldown

[dull heart]

That's more than monsterous knife

That's insane

2.1.2 monst knife is 4x

[stuck kite]

whereas empyrean knives (equal tier) had 0.75x?

which is WAY better

[dull heart]

Yeah

We need to make gear lifesteal not be capped by cooldown

[stuck kite]

if you need lifesteal as melee empyrean knives is right there

[dull heart]

So lifesteal weapons matter

[pure maple]

that it is (I'm looking because I cant get a crimson biome key for the fucking life of me for some reason)

[lapis oak]

kill WoF

[dull heart]

For context

0.75x is 12 hp/s pool recharge

[stuck kite]

i think lifesteal should be provided sparingly in the first place otherwise stacking them Will be hell

[dull heart]

And 93 pool capacity

[dull heart]

100%

But like

[lapis oak]

just like debuffs!

[dull heart]

The places like spectre armor that do it should just

Have their own timers

and own limits

Not hit the global cooldown

[lapis oak]

when will we kill half of the weapons list that can inflict debuffs

[grave geyser]

ok but stacking debuffs isnt hell

[dull heart]

Task failed successfully, removed entirely any weapon that inflicted a debufd

Weapon bloat is gone

[lapis oak]

might be cooking

wait no

[pure maple]

Brainstorm Back At It Again

[grave geyser]

(its the biome mimics now)

[pure maple]

no wonder I couldn't get one, they removed it from the pool I was farming

[lapis oak]

ye

[stuck kite]

its from a crimson mimic

[lapis oak]

and Hallowed Key from Hallowed Mimic

[stuck kite]

or whatever

x

[lapis oak]

(which makes much more sense)

[pure maple]

what's the drop chance on that? It makes sense

helpful just like. judging farming time for that

[stuck kite]

10%

[lapis oak]

also less boss centric drops

[dull heart]

Desert key from desert mimic when

[lapis oak]

should've already made one smh

[stuck kite]

mimic for everything

[dull heart]

mimic mimic

[steel pike]

i am just resisting the urge to say it

[dull heart]

It drops key of light and key of night

Nothing else

[stuck kite]

a mimic mimic would just be a chest

you would just open it

and if you hit it the chest breaks

[dull heart]

Chester is a mimic mimic

[naive sluice]

also whats up with minions randomly disppearing in the middle of a boss fight

[steel pike]

But whar aboit a mimic mimic mimic mimic mimic

or a mimic mimic mimic mimic mimic mimic mimic

[dull heart]

Restart tmod

Unless you're in multiplayer then you kinda gotta wait for 2.1.2

[naive sluice]

its like 6 dimension and beyond

[steel pike]

or a mimic^10

true

[naive sluice]

too incrompehensible for our 3d brains

[steel pike]

What about the infinite mimic and it just crashes your game

[orchid finch]

no thanks we don't need more mimics

[naive sluice]

Terraria horror mod where your house and its furnitires are infected by mimics(no other AI changes)

[tropic jolt]

what about an amidias mimic that does horrible things

like spawning the hog

[orchid finch]

"tomorrow is another day... unfortunately, you will not see tomorrow"

[restive nebula]

Do we know when calamity will update to boulders update

[grave geyser]

no

but not anytime soon

[restive nebula]

Fark

I just wanna ride my funny pal world mount whilst playing with funny modded content

[lapis oak]

it'll take at least 3 months for tMod to be ported to 1.4.5

[restive nebula]

[lapis oak]

don't wait for it

[dull heart]

More like 6

Probably

September is the estimate rn

[lapis oak]

🐟

[restive nebula]

Too late

[dull heart]

It's literally not too late you have 6 more months

[restive nebula]

Too late fr

[steel pike]

doze can you use your developer powers to get my dog the fuck off of my pillow

[dull heart]

no

I sent it there

[tropic jolt]

your dog will devour you and the very gods

[dull heart]

nom

[sinful dagger]

Is that a Calamity reference or an Elden Ring reference

[fathom girder]

weekly Sentinels rant

delete them from the mod they all suck to fight

[orchid finch]

counter argument: Ceaseless Void is cool

[sinful dagger]

Just get Polterghast/bloodflare tier equipment

[dull heart]

just use Gilded Proboscis

[sinful dagger]

But yes they are annoying

[fathom girder]

ceaseless void is literally

the worst of them

[orchid finch]

cinematic fight

[grave geyser]

what no

[dull heart]

CV is fine

[grave geyser]

cv is the best (still bad)

[dull heart]

kinda mid now

[grave geyser]

the lobotomy hit it hard

[dull heart]

it was better pre 2.1

like significantly

[orchid finch]

I guess making it static is really not helping it

[dull heart]

yeah

[fathom girder]

idk what it is about CV but you stand at him until he does his final immortal desp phase and then die because his suck is weird as shit and there's too much going on

just

let it die

please

[dull heart]

What

[grave geyser]

the desp phase is litterally free

[dull heart]

Idek what you said there

[fathom girder]

IT'S NOT

[sinful dagger]

I think Signus is the best (still dubious)

[grave geyser]

you litterally just go in a circle

how is not free

[dull heart]

Yeah idk I've never died to deep

[orchid finch]

you can stand at a distance

[dull heart]

Desp

[fathom girder]

I go in a circle and die because the suck is weird as shit

[orchid finch]

and not get sucked

[sinful dagger]

Storm Weaver is the worst

[orchid finch]

or get hit by the energies

[fathom girder]

like I just get stuck in him and die

[dull heart]

stand a little further then

[grave geyser]

signus is the worst and it isnt close

[dull heart]

^

[fathom girder]

I'd LOVE to

[dull heart]

At least weaver has a fight

[fathom girder]

like maybe I don't get good enough wings or something idfk

[grave geyser]

^

[dull heart]

Signus is just bad

[obtuse hawk]

Vs milkyway weaver and nebula floater/corite and brain of cthulhu

[grave geyser]

go my corite

[fathom girder]

CV has killed me the most out of any boss in the mod

even after the nerf

there's just something about it that pisses me off

[obtuse hawk]

Dungeon be damned this void is ceaseless

[dull heart]

CV I think needs one major change

The dark energy should share HP

[grave geyser]

post nerf cv is genuenely one of the easiest bosses in the mod I think

[dull heart]

Instead of dying one at a time

[grave geyser]

wait true?

[orchid finch]

kinda?

[dull heart]

CV being invalidated by DPS race sucks

So bad

[fathom girder]

He's gotta stop being a brain of cthulhu 2

imo

[grave geyser]

hes
not

[dull heart]

he hasn't been in ages

[grave geyser]

he used to be and the fight was horseshit

[fathom girder]

he hovers at you so you destroy his creepers

[dull heart]

like nothing he does is BoC like besides have minions

[orchid finch]

personally I have gripes with the facts of 1. It's static now despite not dealing contact damage anymore and 2. You don't have to kill all the energies to get to the suck phases

[fathom girder]

and then he goes apeshit when you get rid of his creepers

[sinful dagger]

Ceaseless Void is a weird one, you have to stay close ish and not dash away during the dark energy phase

[fathom girder]

it's reductionist to put it like that but it's just what the fight is

[lyric trellis]

So awesome

[dull heart]

That's like saying scal is brain of Cthulhu because of brothers

[sinful dagger]

The sucking in phase is mostly fine

[grave geyser]

"apeshit" and its such a basic attack pattern it would look normal on a boss half the game ago

[dull heart]

CV vs a clock who would win

[fathom girder]

that pattern has killed me more than scal bullethells have collectively

Idk what it is about it

[dull heart]

you literally just circle that's all there is to it

[sinful dagger]

The sucking in phase or the dark energy phase?

[dull heart]

the suck is a little weird to get used to

[grave geyser]

the pull does not exist if you remember hooks exist btw

[dull heart]

that's true

[fathom girder]

the suck is the most annoying thing to exist in any game

[dull heart]

I never use hooks on cv

But yeah hooks invalidate the suck

[orchid finch]

HEAR ME OUT

literally

[dull heart]

no

[orchid finch]

just find the spot where the suck doesn't work

:(

[fathom girder]

"just invalidate the mechanic" proves that the mechanic is awful

[sinful dagger]

I didn’t have a problem with that for some reason, my problem was I’d dash away in the dark energy phase and they’d all jump over and hit me

[grave geyser]

no it doesnt?

[fathom girder]

In this case it is purely cheesing it by using a grapple to completely ignore the suck

[grave geyser]

it proves nothing other than that the mechanic is easy to invalidate

[fathom girder]

if the fight is better without the mechanic due to a cheese

[dull heart]

eh I don't think that's cheesing

[fathom girder]

get RID of it

[dull heart]

That's just planning to use your tools

[grave geyser]

also you're extrapolating a lot of things that were not said

[fathom girder]

Ram dashes were nerfed specifically because using them was cheesy due to invalidating a lot of bosses iirc

[grave geyser]

I never said it makes the fight better
I also never said "just invalidate it" I simply mentioned that it could be invalidated

[fathom girder]

because ram dashes were op

It's an opposite case here imo

also I just really really really hate CV

so there is obviously bias lmao

God I hate CV

[radiant sparrow]

is umbraphile better for stealth than daedalus?

[orchid finch]

yes

[radiant sparrow]

ty

[sinful dagger]

I wonder how bad the Old Duke is going to be

[granite sapphire]

Very fun

[radiant sparrow]

ive killed cal clone, can solar eclipses happen?

[granite sapphire]

they can happen anytime in hardmode

[sinful dagger]

Solar eclipses can happen after 1 mechanical boss kill iirc

[radiant sparrow]

im just unlucky then

[granite sapphire]

The first mech just adds a few drops

Like iirc first mech adds the death sickle

[radiant sparrow]

i just need the solar veils

and you cant craft the table till you get post plant right

[sinful dagger]

It occurs with a 5% chance after killing 1 mechanical boss unless Calamity changes it

[granite sapphire]

Fargo's mutant mod:

i say the solar eclipse happens because I can

[radiant sparrow]

im not using fargo

[granite sapphire]

I never said Fargo's souls

?

[sinful dagger]

I use Fargo’s Mutant

[granite sapphire]

Fargos mutant is the quality of life

[sinful dagger]

I don’t have time for all that building shit in a large modded world

[radiant sparrow]

i lvoe building

[granite sapphire]

just plop down 24 houses pre boss and call it a day

those instabridges make getting around hell so much more bearable

Well time to play some tabs

[tropic jolt]

qolslop

[fathom girder]

there's too much qolslop in my modslop

I want to playslop my gameslop in peaceslop

[orchid finch]

you're a qualityslop consumer

you only like it because it's good

[fathom girder]

oh yeah??

you're probably a filthy quantityslop consumer

you just want more

[tropic jolt]

im a slopslop slopjoyer

[fathom girder]

there we go now I can have an aneurism

[orchid finch]

i stole sso

[fathom girder]

what'd you do with it

[orchid finch]

holding it hostage

[tropic jolt]

those poor fishes

[fathom girder]

is it up for bail or

[orchid finch]

yes

[fathom girder]

how much we talkin'

[orchid finch]

send me fifty do-

💥

[fathom girder]

50 dollars seems a bit low tbh

see it was fair for brainstorm cuz um

brain and stor m

[orchid finch]

don't worry ladies and gents, the terrorist has been neutralized

the Sunken Sea Overhaul's been put back

[fathom girder]

when is shrunken sea overhaul

[topaz lintel]

she sunk on my sea til I overhaul

[sinful dagger]

Your can of sea men?

[grim pecan]

sunken sea now

[fathom girder]

dev said it

it's real

[grim pecan]

sunken sea never

[tropic jolt]

how does a sea sink 🤔

[fathom girder]

ffs

[grim pecan]

schrodinger's sunken sea

[orchid finch]

hwo lee shiet

[fathom girder]

they put it in a box

[tropic jolt]

if a sea can sink can a sea think?

[fathom girder]

Let that sink in...

[lean relic]

Sit down and think something blue

[sinful dagger]

She sunk on my can of sea men til the sea men went in the sink

[fathom girder]

and now it's weird

[radiant sparrow]

is my rng fucked or for the crushsaw crasher to drop do i need to kill catastriophic construct first?

i only get the ranger weapon

[arctic cliff]

hey waterwraith

[fathom girder]

gotta kill the other brother

one bro drops the gun, the other dros crasher

[radiant sparrow]

so i gotta kill catastrophy first

[fathom girder]

uuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh maybe idk if order matters

[sinful dagger]

Yeah you do

[orchid finch]

What's wrong with you

Why are you blue

[hidden belfry]

We think
We sit
Most importantly
We blue

[fathom girder]

they're blue because they are upgradable

[tropic jolt]

we are breaking bad

[arctic cliff]

they are blue because

amidas

[sinful dagger]

What is this shit anyway

[tropic jolt]

its amidias

[fathom girder]

say hi to amidias

[dusk bronze]

amidiascule

[arctic cliff]

not a joke btw i turned amidias into an eldritch deity

[sinful dagger]

It reminds me of that shit ass “when the impostor is sus” meme

[arctic cliff]

i mean

[tropic jolt]

the perfect canvas

[fathom girder]

wasn't that based off of the jerma image

[dusk bronze]

jonkler

[fathom girder]

oh

[arctic cliff]

thats based off the jonkler image

[dusk bronze]

why so queerious

[arctic cliff]

apparently this is the ORIGINAL image before orios drew the

yknow

[tropic jolt]

the jonkler

[dusk bronze]

cheese doomed us all

[arctic cliff]

hang on

i was confused for a second

i remember a cheese pinning the brain of amidias (after telling me "fuck you" for creating that)

[dusk bronze]

i also remember that vaguely

[arctic cliff]

apparently she migrated to a new account
but her old account (still nicknamed shogun ceanataur) is still a moderator

that

i dunno about you but im a little worried

[dusk bronze]

about what

[arctic cliff]

what if some doofus manages to somehow hijack her old account

that might be bad, yknow

[dusk bronze]

that's extremely improbable

[arctic cliff]

yeah, but still

[dusk bronze]

@blazing field opinion?

[fathom girder]

I'm gonna hack the old account it's mine now

[blazing field]

Yeah amidias is gonna hack it

Already has, in fact

[arctic cliff]

well

that explains things

out of the loop but why do some people migrate accounts on discord

[steep path]

sunken sea overhaul more like sunken sea undertale

[arctic cliff]

this needs to be updated with newer iterations

[fathom girder]

Undyne will be there

[dusk bronze]

there's 189 variants

[arctic cliff]

189?

damn

[dusk bronze]

a great many were created on the 6th

[arctic cliff]

how many characters are on smash ultimate btw

[dusk bronze]

89 apparently

[lean relic]

89 according to google

[arctic cliff]

holy shit

why is it literally 100 more

that cant be right

[dusk bronze]

bruh i have them saved in a folder

[arctic cliff]

lmao

[blazing field]

Lost access to old acc for a while

[arctic cliff]

well now you gotta add another

[blazing field]

Would be too convoluted to go bzck to it after i established this as new main

[dusk bronze]

not counting the brain variants it's 140

[blazing field]

So i just dropped it

[arctic cliff]

jesus christ

i was not prepared for the brainstorm of brain of amidas variants right before brainstorm release

im just

holy shit

im happy that it got so much

if thats how much brainstorm got

im not prepared for when sso is boutta release

that might

[tropic jolt]

🧠 our brains are devourer of gods

[arctic cliff]

how would that even

[dusk bronze]

ok i miscounted
139 regular and 49 brain

188 total

that aren't videos

[wise bolt]

writing things never to be finished on notepad and then forgetting about them is really funny. what the hell was i last doing on there

[arctic cliff]

what is going on with the caldevs

[dusk bronze]

our brains are devourer of gods

[tropic jolt]

must get boring if there's only like 2.5 bosses in the astral

[arctic cliff]

first the make out with yharim one and now this

[grim pecan]

why did done say this

[dusk bronze]

not even .5

just the 2

[tropic jolt]

each deus is 0.75 bosses

[dusk bronze]

that barely counts

[wise bolt]

youre a barely counts

[dusk bronze]

[wise bolt]

im crying lsuaufgibf

[tropic jolt]

wait how does aureus make out with anything

[stuck kite]

imagine

[dusk bronze]

we must revoke their murasama skin

[tropic jolt]

draedon installed freaky ai into aureus before sending it out

[fathom girder]

Very carefully

[wise bolt]

idk. keep sucking on his flat face deus

[tropic jolt]

I knew somebody would say that

[fathom girder]

It's easy bait

[tropic jolt]

you're an abominationn

[fathom girder]

No i'm stomp

The cv hater

[wise bolt]

im bug

[dusk bronze]

im green

[tropic jolt]

im

[wise bolt]

hi _ _

[lapis oak]

squash

[dusk bronze]

throws you in a volcano

[wise bolt]

you've alerted the clew

[tropic jolt]

bugy

[fathom girder]

YOU HAVE ALERTED THE HORDE

[tropic jolt]

slugy

[dusk bronze]

gruby

[barren hollow]

What's the new vanity thing that changes the wings to look special

I'm blanking so hard right now

[amber egret]

xyks blessing i think

[dusk bronze]

xyk's blessing

[barren hollow]

Thanks

[cunning sequoia]

[wise bolt]

[stiff rose]

Debating on what to do after this new update, is death/master fun or just punishing and we should stick to expert/revengeance?

[wise bolt]

find out

[stiff rose]

[stuck kite]

noodle

[radiant sparrow]

Honestly death isn't too bad

[frail owl]

greetings cordial catfish

also known as tahm kench

[grave rock]

oh dear

i just got 360 driftwood off one catch

right after a catch that yielded 8

[radiant sparrow]

Greetings

[earnest jewel]

Now we're talking.

[neon flame]

is master death mode easier somehow? why it feels so weird

[dusk bronze]

all master ai was taken out back and killed

because it sucked ass

[neon flame]

it was so fun playing the game when I have to skip skeletron prime

now it feels so weird

[lean relic]

The Golem.

The Golem

[ruby storm]

when I think about it

it's funny they nerfed the ornate shield upgrades on account of the other dashes being outclassed

simply because I'm on planterra and stilk using frog gear

and will likely upgrade it to the statis belt

[bright crane]

Yeah it was horrible, I'd rather wait a while for vanilla bosses to be redone with high quality than suffer on unbalanced ones

[cobalt wharf]

i mean what outclasses frog gear

stasis belt is post ml

the frog leg buff is a lot less nice at post ml but still decent

[ruby storm]

true

[fierce hearth]

I got sick and it's making it hard to focus whyyyy why I wanna beat Moon Lord

[ruby storm]

and until then you're just using the ornate and its upgrades

so there was no need for the nerf :v

[fierce hearth]

I can tell true biome blade with whips absolutely shreds phase 1 let me have this........

[ruby storm]

or deep diver until the ornate upgrade either way

I don't really think the nerf really changes anything? I think people are gonna go for the same exact stuff again

[fierce hearth]

the nerf makes them less overwhelmingly strong by demanding more specific timing and positioning (no more just freely dashing through DoG the long way)

[ruby storm]

I mean the ankh nerf

not the dash itself

[fierce hearth]

oh, I thought you meant the iframe reduction

lmao

[ruby storm]

the dash iframe reduction was warranted tbf

[fierce hearth]

the ankh nerf means basically nothing, it's barely even a nerf

[ruby storm]

yeah just makes it feel useless sadly

[fierce hearth]

Name a boss besides plantera that inflicted a debuff it guarded against on-tier

[ruby storm]

exactly, so why'd they do it?

[fierce hearth]

Now the ankh grind is optional (which is especially nice with the ankh ingredient recipes being removed), and it's less of an obvious must-have even for casual play

[ruby storm]

pre-brainstorm I think ankh shield was obtainable post-skele due to some shimmer jank iirc???

[fierce hearth]

Generally the idea was to have the ramdash shields be less centralizing, no longer holding onto an iconic accessory that gives a lot of passive benefits, nor as potent in power

And ideally eventually bosses will be less ramdash-counter centric

[ruby storm]

then guess we start with the worms

especially DoG

😭

[fierce hearth]

DoG did get a rework, haven't fought it yet, but maybe...

[ruby storm]

I'll see myself on a vanilla cal playthrough ig

still doing infernum

so the ai is different anyways

there's an achievement beating DoG without a ram dash so I'm scared

either way

love the transformer rework

always wanted an accessory that rewarded bullet grazing

[hot wadi]

There is a way to confuse DoG into circling you

(Until the laser attacks)

The only real concern is the portal rush in phase 3

[half vine]

a tad bit of a shame that the titan heart armor is no longer a tanky option

but it's nice that it becomes a direct progression point

[jagged copper]

I had already found it hours ago

[proud plover]

„Now has its cursor range clamped to within a 1920x1080 screen.“

Does that mean the cursor has limited range when using summon staffs

When playing on higher res

[jagged copper]

what's that change for again?

[proud plover]

I think like every minion summoning weapon

[jagged copper]

I'm noticing some weapons aren't procing the Mage Tarragon Set Bonus

No leaves are coming out when using Nano Purge and Purge Guzzler

[hazy yoke]

is it worth going for life fruit pre mechs or are they too rare pre mechs

[orchid finch]

you mean life fruit?

[high scaffold]

No, he means life crystals and usualy fights mechs with 100 hp

[hazy yoke]

yeah

[rough vine]

they're more common than life crystals

[bright crane]

Will celestia axe minions get revamped when the rework comes out later on? they look kinda silly and odd +don't even have a glowmask like the weapon itself

[spark kiln]

i agree

[radiant sparrow]

They are the revamp of the elemental axe

Also what vanity set is that? Is it from another mod

[bright crane]

I don't mean that, I mean the new minions are kinda obnoxious (still it hasn't gotten reworked yet) since it's just base weapon sprite floating around, no cool vfx or a terraprisma like style but better

[bright crane]

It's stardust armor from a texture pack

[radiant sparrow]

Oh wtf that looks really good

[bright crane]

Yeah I've been waiting quite a while until it got released (it was last year)

[radiant sparrow]

I'll have to cop that

Is it just those four?

Because rn calamity texture pack hasn't resprited the ml armour