#calamity-update-talk

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chrome veldt
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oh its the legion of celestia, it got resprited..

urban star
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i cant name on thing in this photo

vivid hemlock
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🐴

blazing field
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🐎

chrome veldt
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🐴

mighty geyser
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... what the fuck

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this might actually surpass mmd for my favorite unused cal thing

chrome veldt
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looks kinda ass

sick lotus
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🐴

mighty geyser
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😭

mystic eagle
blazing field
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octo do you know about Antenizer

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i fucking love Antenizer

earnest jewel
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Old Slime God was telling people to mistrust their vassals and to confide in him.

blazing field
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its my favorite unused cal thing

mighty geyser
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i assume thats what they use to turn people into mr "ant" tenna

blazing field
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its an actual cryptid

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its apparently a scrapped boss

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ALL we have of it is a isngle sprite

urban star
blazing field
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that is a edited eye of chtulhu

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and nothing else

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NOBODY

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knows ANYTHING ELSE about it

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current devs, retired devs

mighty geyser
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WHSCNJKADJNKVJKFSDJB

blazing field
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nobody has any idea where it came from

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what it was meant to do

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we have one sprite

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and nothing else

fathom girder
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can you show antenizer

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pls

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I wanna see antenizer

blazing field
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i love you antenizer

mystic eagle
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Anesthesiazer

blazing field
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calamity mod cryptid

cunning sequoia
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HAHAHAHA

mighty geyser
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WHAT THER FUCK

fathom girder
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what the

cunning sequoia
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IVE NEVER SEEN THAT

earnest jewel
fathom girder
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dude antenizer RULES

mighty geyser
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I WAS GONNA SAY ITS PROBABLY A TRIPLET

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THATS NOT A FUCKING SJVLNKJKNFVSJKDFBJ

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😭

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WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE THAT

blazing field
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i think its meant ot be an ant head

earnest jewel
cunning sequoia
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i gotta say

urban star
cunning sequoia
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its creative

earnest jewel
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What.

sick lotus
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Fab did want to make a third twin, but I don't think antenized was that.

cunning sequoia
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but also.

mystic eagle
cunning sequoia
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i cant

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i cant fucking

blazing field
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antenizer my glorious king

cunning sequoia
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im losing my mind

blazing field
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"this was a boss supposed to exist at one point"

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and NOTHING ELSE

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no other information

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ever

earnest jewel
mighty geyser
cunning sequoia
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this is calamity's scipulous fingore

blazing field
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NOBODY has anyt fucking clue where it came from or what t was supposed to do or literally anything

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LMAOGSDHNDSHSFDNK

earnest jewel
mighty geyser
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🙏

fathom girder
earnest jewel
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What does Antenizer mean for the lore?

mystic eagle
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Mr. Antennizer

fathom girder
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WAS ANTENIZER GONNA BE A WORM

plush carbon
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why wasnt Fovenator in brainstorm 🤬 🤬 🤬

cunning sequoia
earnest jewel
earnest jewel
blazing field
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antenizer is calamity mod graggle simpson

fathom girder
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BUT IT'S REAL

urban cloak
cunning sequoia
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youtube thumbnail of the twins with antenizer circled with "who is he?"

fathom girder
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can you guys make an antenizer painting

mighty geyser
fathom girder
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that can be found in the dungeon or some shit

earnest jewel
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Antenizer Revival Addon.

mighty geyser
blazing field
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one day we'll finally find out any new info on antenizer an it'll be it was actually supposed to be a post yharim superboss or something

vivid hemlock
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considering that heart's sprites are getting added to that doc im surprised i havent seen like the scrapped pre22 flower brimmy sprite or iban's 2nd take of hivemind in there

earnest jewel
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It should be a worm boss with like, Sepuchre's legs.

mighty geyser
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ok how do you pronounce antenizer
"ant-an-eyezer" or "an-tennizer"

vivid hemlock
fathom girder
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LMAOOOO

earnest jewel
fathom girder
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Welcome Antenizer

atomic bay
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does anyone else have problems with aquatic scourge crashing the game when going off screen?

earnest jewel
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Curse of Antenizer.

mighty geyser
mystic eagle
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Mr. Ant(enizer)

fathom girder
atomic bay
fathom girder
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lmao

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My bug was different

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He like. flew into outer space for three minutes

atomic bay
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amazing

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bro wanted to be deus so bad

mystic eagle
earnest jewel
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Invoked Watergod.

mystic eagle
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iirc the 2nd image I ever posted in this server was Scourge flying to space

fathom girder
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lmao

amber egret
fathom girder
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I was dreading this moment

mighty geyser
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deltarune mod that replaces all sprites of tenna's head with antennizer

fathom girder
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actually yes

amber egret
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keep all the expressions and you got a deal

mighty geyser
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no

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he screams in pain forever

amber egret
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[deals] so good ill [jump into the DoGgy pool]!

untold anchor
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can you still get the reaver shark fom fishing?

blazing field
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yeah

rancid pagoda
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it's back to vanilla

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or almost vanilla

untold anchor
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no more early hellstone then?

wicked temple
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@mighty geyser

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oh why are u

dusk bronze
rancid pagoda
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there are other methods but they take more effort

spark kiln
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does dragonfolly spear not give liifesteal anymroe

rancid pagoda
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actually I'm not sure if lava fishing gets you anything since all the crafting recipes are gone for those lava fished things

mighty geyser
rancid pagoda
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but obsidian roses can still be shimmered into hellstone

rustic kernel
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Ok, I finished Deathmode Mage playthrough...
What to say...
Reworked weapons are really good, most of them.
Death Valley/Primordial line of weapons especially.
Exo-tier is disappointing, their DPS is meh, only homing capabilities (on SubVortex) are somewhat compensating, not fully.
There are some weapons which may be strong but still non-practical to use. Maybe as more reworks happen, they would become better.
Nebulous Cataclysm is really weird, it barely does decent damage on anything.
Event Horizon was retiered and from what I tried, it is not all that good.

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Renewed DoG took a ton of tries but was satisfying overall.

dull heart
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Exo weapons are pretty good, the main reason their DPS may be disappointing is from other items just being broken

amber egret
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ive mainly found exo weaponru to be consistency but poor damage

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you’re gonna hit them but you wont be fasy

dull heart
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exos weapons in general are a good bit stronger

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some suck like vivid clarity

amber egret
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youll notice most reworked weapons are better :)

vivid hemlock
dull heart
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Yeah that's because most reworked weapons got way over tuned and will be nerfed lol

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like Primordial Ancient as an example used by them

amber egret
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Star Beam Rye is an example of BS being a tad overtunrd

dull heart
amber egret
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yeah kts damage is quite good

dull heart
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PA is just way stronger than it's supposed to be

rustic kernel
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I am afraid it would suck after nerf badly

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(Maybe don't)

dull heart
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it would not

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it's literally way too strong rn

amber egret
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it would suck comparatively to its current, overpowered self

dull heart
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it's a minute faster than it should be on Yharon, more than 1:00 faster on scal and more than 2:15 faster on exos

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yeah

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It's suck compared to it being OP lol

amber egret
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are you just gonna lower its damage

rustic kernel
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Glad I wouldn't play mage next playthrough then

dull heart
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every class has a lot of weapons that need nerfs

nocturne isle
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I've had an issue where on mp that hitting armored digger just crashes the server, is that an issue with this patch or is it one of the addons?

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burrower

dull heart
nocturne isle
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thank god

leaden creek
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i have not played in about a year and a half, could someone kindly give me a rundown on what has changed?

dull heart
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uhh a lot

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a ton of reworks to item, some reworks to bosses too

leaden creek
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murasama rework? or is that still in hibernation

pine moat
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no muramasa rework yet

misty wren
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not that yet

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just about everything around it though

leaden creek
fathom girder
buoyant pulsar
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i cant wait for vivid clarity to be cool and good instead of lame and bad

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i think there should be more weapons like dance of light, and that dance of light is slept on in general and is a rlly cool weapon

amber egret
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cant wait for magnomaly cannon to like

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Be Good

buoyant pulsar
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personally im excited for surge driver launcher rework

fathom girder
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Vivid clarity isn't very vivid

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or clear

sinful dagger
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Why is Golem the hardest boss yet

rustic kernel
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SCal magic drops are not really comfortable to use.
It is either mid damaging Herecy with somewhat homing or Vehemance which while having decent on hit damage, requires very precise aiming to do anything.

dull heart
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vehemence is so good with Oblatory enchant

fathom girder
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Golem is pretty interesting

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idk if brainstorm changed him or not but

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he's quite the fight

leaden creek
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i was gonna go through the patron as that shows a general* idea of what has changed

fathom girder
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New patreon

raw falcon
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it looks jank

leaden creek
fathom girder
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should be this

raw falcon
leaden creek
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ah.. i guess they dont do sneak peaks anymore

sinful dagger
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Hey is it possible to make an arena outside of the jungle temple and then use rod of discord to do the golem fight there?

high scaffold
high scaffold
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That magnomaly cannon is planned to be removed and replaced with saw launcher

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Golem even in death is such a baby boss fight

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Not first trying it is shamefull

stiff hinge
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someone got post dog gear before boc/eow

stable sinew
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question is malice mode just death+legendary?

sinful dagger
dull heart
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yes

dull heart
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no unique ai

amber egret
unique warren
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Is GRAND DAD any good btw

fathom girder
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yeah it's pretty good

unique warren
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Like, solidly compares to Mirror Blade or Holy Collider?

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Idk if those are any good either tbf

fathom girder
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Those two are also very good

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idk how they all compare tho

dull heart
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mirror blade is cool

buoyant pulsar
buoyant pulsar
unique warren
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I kinda doubt Death’s Ascension is much good with only true melee hits right

raw falcon
fathom girder
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It was made to be good with a true melee focus

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so go nuts

dull heart
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Mirror blade sounds were supposed to be like

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Reversed broken glass

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But nobody ever got to them

unique warren
dull heart
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it's much better using both clicks

mighty geyser
buoyant pulsar
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i would try to make that but i dont know the vision or have the energy

unique warren
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Jesus why are there so MANY pre-DoG true melee weapons

buoyant pulsar
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because true melee is the truest of melee

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also dog is a close range boss so idk lol

dull heart
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because true melee is cooler than fake melee

unique warren
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Lion Heart, Phospho Gauntlet, Last Mourning, Mutilator, Death’s Ascension lclick

dull heart
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you forgot mirror blade

buoyant pulsar
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i had a dream i fought malice dog with halley's inferno and got my ass absolutely handed to me. i distinctly remember realizing i didnt use any starbursts the whole fight and feeling dumb

dull heart
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And grand dad

unique warren
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Oops

unique warren
dull heart
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also mutilator is post provi so it shouldn't be there

buoyant pulsar
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grand dad has got to be one of my favorite weapons in the game

unique warren
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Aren’t a lot of post-Prov weapons kinda busted tho

unique warren
dull heart
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that doesn't make them pre-dog weapons

blazing field
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7 grand dad

buoyant pulsar
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that mothron clip fills me with so much joy

dull heart
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post provi weapons are expected to get like, 4:30 dog

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While post sent/polter is 4:00

unique warren
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True!

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Still a lot

buoyant pulsar
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im so hyped for polterghast weapon reworks when that era eventually comes

dull heart
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I should buff queen spider staff to be on par with spider staff

buoyant pulsar
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good idea

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buff the projectile velocity and damage thats like all it needs

mighty geyser
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ouuurhg...

buoyant pulsar
dull heart
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(for context idk if you've heard but spider staff is the 2!d best summon on moon lord rn)

buoyant pulsar
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what is 2!d

unique warren
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What does making it a factorial do there

amber egret
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what does that mean

dull heart
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2nd

unique warren
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2! Is just… yeah

amber egret
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how does that even happen

buoyant pulsar
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why is. spider staff

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why

raw falcon
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banshee hook being a true melee would be peak ngl

dull heart
buoyant pulsar
unique warren
dull heart
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Yes

buoyant pulsar
# dull heart

i think they meant how does spider staff get that busted

dull heart
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oh

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Idk

unique warren
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I feel like post-DoG needs more

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Somehow

dull heart
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everywhere needs more

amber egret
dull heart
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Oh

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because I did an oopsie

amber egret
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im typing from mars my internets so Bas

unique warren
buoyant pulsar
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when will the world accept that true melee is simply good design

raw falcon
buoyant pulsar
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oughhh surge driver rework

dull heart
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It needs more

unique warren
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It really doesn’t SAD

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For true melee specifically

buoyant pulsar
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it needs more

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the true melee blessing will spread

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i wish more true melee weapons had baked in movement options

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flashback to the red sun rework suggestion lol

unique warren
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So cool that the Exoblade dash actually kinda makes sense now

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Lightspeed my goat

buoyant pulsar
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exoblade is still lame to me

wicked halo
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They did not waste such a beautiful sprite on a boring ass weapon.

unique warren
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Honestly I kinda don’t like the sprite much

buoyant pulsar
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hello egg

wicked halo
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Hi Crow.

wicked halo
dull heart
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If any weapon is not true melee

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There is not enough

distant agate
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whats everyones rankings for the classes in 2.1?

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ive heard mage pretty consistently be called the best now

raw falcon
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yeah mage is peak

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was even more broken before brain surgery

sinful dagger
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FINALLY beat that fucker

fathom girder
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Really every class is great rn

distant agate
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sweet

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just trying to decide what class i should play next

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i finished mage a few days ago then diablo 2 kinda took over

fathom girder
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Lul

distant agate
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did they fix ranger feeling stupidly weak early game?

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i always remembered it had much lower dps compared to every other class until post moon lord

buoyant pulsar
wicked halo
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I love Anarchy Blade's sprite cause it feels like a solidified smoke cloud.

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Like.

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The one made from explosion.

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It's also the best example I can think of for Calamity's artstyle, right next to the Victide Armor.

sinful dagger
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I'm aware brainstorm probably reworked a lot of these but I recall the melee weapons with long-range homing projectiles to just be broken

wicked halo
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It feels very.

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Watercolor-y.

sinful dagger
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Like bladecrest oathsword and death's ascension

dull heart
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Death's Ascension is so broken rn

distant agate
sinful dagger
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It's your love because it's unbalanced

distant agate
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might play it now

fathom girder
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As a pointer

dull heart
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Ranger was never weak early game if you knew what to go for

fathom girder
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Check out the sulpherous sea chests

dull heart
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(flintlock pistol and demon bow)

raw falcon
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and i love it

distant agate
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idk i used to follow guides and always got a very good amount less damage while also being less tanky

dull heart
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I have an idea for an anarchy blade rework

wicked halo
distant agate
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just felt like a worse mage (and honestly a worse melee with how many weapons would shoot homing projectiles)

dull heart
wicked halo
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Ah.

distant agate
dull heart
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yeah the main thing is

fathom girder
dull heart
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Ranger had a couple really strong options that nobody made

distant agate
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it was probably a major update or 2 ago by now

dull heart
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flintlock pistol is the best example

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It was the second or third best pre boss weapon

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After two rogue weapons

fathom girder
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I still never use flintlock

raw falcon
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what does flintlock do now?

distant agate
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idk i just remember getting to like, cultist and thinking "god this blows"

dull heart
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(pre boss intended weapon)

distant agate
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and gave up

dull heart
raw falcon
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because ranger is really good pre cultist

distant agate
dull heart
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snowman cannon will always be my goat

wicked halo
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I was about to say.

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I remember playing 2023 Ranger and it was pretty strong.

raw falcon
wicked halo
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Not a single stage of the game did I feel weak.

raw falcon
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but yeah no ranger is pretty good at the moment

distant agate
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oh also off topic, idk if it got buffed in calamity, but the nebula blaze mage weapon is way way way too strong, it out classes every other weapon even close to its progression

dull heart
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all classes are stupidly strong rn

distant agate
dull heart
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2.1 powercrept this game so hard

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1.4.5 port full game rebalance save us

distant agate
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oh is that the plan?

dull heart
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unknown but I pray so

raw falcon
wicked halo
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Majestic Guard is stupid strong and from what I heard it's not even the top 5 most ludicrous thing in the update.

dull heart
wicked halo
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The Majestic Guard got me moving like an invasive species.

dull heart
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I think the funniest thing in this update is spider staff

raw falcon
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howso?

dull heart
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It's the second best minion on moonlord

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Maybe third?

distant agate
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im kinda split between summoner and melee for my next playthrough

raw falcon
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what the fuck did yall do to the spiders what???

dull heart
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I gave them cocaine

raw falcon
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elaborate

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what changed with them exactly

dull heart
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They moved three times. The speed, have 25% faster attack speed, and use local iframes instead of static

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Meaning, instead of only three spiders being able to hit all spiders can handle

raw falcon
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that is VILE

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what

distant agate
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good, global iframes suck

dull heart
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I said static not global

raw falcon
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and no damage nerf? Nothing???

dull heart
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Static is fine when used right

distant agate
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oh my bad, whats the difference between global and static?

dull heart
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They were getting over 5 minutes on the mech bosses before

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Static means the same tight of projectile can't hit

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Global means nothing can hit

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Type*

distant agate
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ah makes sense

dull heart
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Spider staff summoned three types of spiders

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So before up to three spiders could hit at the same time

sinful dagger
rancid pagoda
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yeah the whole thing with it having three different spiders to get around its static iframes

distant agate
dull heart
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What are the three names of the spiders go?

sinful dagger
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Death's ascension especially was glass cannon dps with none of the drawbacks of being a glass cannon at all

dull heart
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Actually I only know two of the spider names. I'm a fake Terraria fan

distant agate
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the worse one is the staff you can get just before polergast i think? it just summons a rain of homing fireballs from the sky

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somehow a melee weapon

dull heart
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There's venom spider, jumping spider, and I can't remember the last one

dull heart
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I love the burning sky and I want to make it cost Mana

distant agate
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its sick as hell

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but its just not a melee weapon

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and yet somehow it is

dull heart
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That's the entire point

rancid pagoda
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Desktop 1.4.1.2: Summoning Spiders will now attempt to systematically summon the different types of Spiders in order, rather than randomly.
this was so ass

grave geyser
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burning sky my favorite melee weapon

distant agate
dull heart
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There's no such thing as class identity in this game

grave geyser
dull heart
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Class identity died in Terraria 1.2

grave geyser
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we have a magic weapon that is litterally just a clone of a ranged weapon

dusk bronze
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why do people constantly clown on burning sky and ignore swordsplosion

wicked halo
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The pain of Ranged in modded Terraria.

raw falcon
grave geyser
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we hae summons that are just mage weapons classified as summon

dull heart
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Sword explosion has a cool Sprite

raw falcon
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they're the same weapon

wicked halo
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"P-please just one weapo-"

"ANOTHER 500 GUNS TO MAGE."

grave geyser
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we have sentries that do mage damage because the game said so

sinful dagger
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Uhh I still use class identity

dusk bronze
distant agate
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nah dont agree with that, i think class identity is a good thing and should try to be kept imo

sinful dagger
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Except that I can just switch whenever I want

distant agate
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but its not a massive deal lol

dull heart
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Sword explosion

sinful dagger
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(I usually don't though)

dull heart
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Like genuinely, they've just been killing class identity more and more every version

distant agate
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yea, i mean, the zenith

dull heart
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The last time class identity existed was genuinely Terraria 1.1

distant agate
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just in general

rancid pagoda
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throwing knives are ranged damage, shadowflame knife is melee damage, magic dagger is magic damage

dull heart
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Ale tosser in 1.4.5 is so funny

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The only reason it does melee damage is because ale buffs melee speed

dusk bronze
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wulfrum knife is rogue damage

rancid pagoda
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yeah but those are cal, I just wanted to point out the vanilla stuff

dusk bronze
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ik

halcyon seal
grave geyser
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^

unique warren
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Tbh, most weapons make sense for their class with only some exceptions

dull heart
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The vampire Knife is melee damage

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Wolfrum knife is rogue damage

grave geyser
raw falcon
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not gonna lie id rather have magic swords than consistent class identity

dull heart
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I know how to solve class identity

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Play Roots

raw falcon
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make everything cost mana

grave geyser
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true?

sinful dagger
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Damn ads again

grave geyser
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cant have class identity if there are no classes

dull heart
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Exactly

unique warren
distant agate
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im just not a fan

dull heart
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Bruce is the first mod that is not classist

unique warren
dull heart
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Dang text to speech

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I guess you are now playing Bruce

halcyon seal
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Which one

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Should I just pick my favorite Bruce

raw falcon
dull heart
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Quiet. I didn't ask you

raw falcon
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:]

halcyon seal
dull heart
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The automatic. Made that sound so much more

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Can I not say the word.

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Oh my goodness

sinful dagger
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What you don't like typing

dull heart
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Period

unique warren
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This is my fav mod

distant agate
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maybe they have no hands

real solstice
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What do I do if the Luxor Gift doesn't fire any projectiles?

sinful dagger
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That's unfortunate

halcyon seal
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Discord text to speech sucks. You know what doesn’t suck? The Roots mod, currently in beta, created by a developer of the calamity mod. This mod aims to return terraria to its early days, reworking several bosses and revamping many weapons and accessories. You can download it by just searching “Roots” on Steam

unique warren
dull heart
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No it's not

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It literally adds pickaxe damage class

rustic fulcrum
dull heart
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The entire game

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But like in a limited amount

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It affects weapons and armor throughout the whole game

halcyon seal
dull heart
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Enemies, bosses, etc are still upcoming

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Currently the only change boss is kingsline

wicked halo
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The problem with class identity is that I feel like some of the bosses need to be changed to accommodate it.

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Like unless you go with a specific setup it's hard to true Melee ML for example.

rustic fulcrum
distant agate
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class identity doesnt mean melee has to be true melee

unique warren
distant agate
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it means melee shouldnt play exactly the same as mage

wicked halo
#

I think Melee should be well.

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Tank.

distant agate
#

melee having projectiles but they typically dont track or have most of the weapons damage is a good way to go

halcyon seal
#

I think melee should have projectiles but you should want to get up close anyways

unique warren
halcyon seal
#

Terra Blade is a good example of that imo

distant agate
#

as opposed to melee shooting 50 magic tracking projectiles that make it the same as every magic weapon ever

unique warren
#

<30 tiles at most

distant agate
unique warren
#

Ooh uh lemme grab the idea I had for an influx waver rework

dull heart
#

Roots influx waiver is so silly

halcyon seal
#

The vast majority of them are REALLY jank

arctic cliff
#

they need more false melee weapons that act like the black blade incantation, you can do decent damage with just the projectile, but you do very good deets when you also hit with the blade itself

distant agate
#

yes, i have

unique warren
halcyon seal
#

They’re either slow moving, gravity affected, don’t home, or any combination of these three

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And the exception is like, Razorblade

dull heart
#

Fix star-raath by making it do magic damage and cost Mana like Star fury used to

distant agate
#

the way i play melee and the way i play mage is the same, i take the weapon that is able to track enemies and fire it in bosses direction while running away as much as possible

dull heart
#

Star wrath

unique warren
halcyon seal
#

And rogue

dull heart
#

You can't

halcyon seal
#

And summoner to an extent

distant agate
dull heart
#

Roots making summons cost Max Mana is so peak

wicked halo
#

Melee's doesn't need to be True Melee but it still should be a class that forces you to get up close.

sinful dagger
#

Btw, are the NPCs for the sulfur pylon the same as ocean pylon?

unique warren
halcyon seal
#

“Running away and firing projectiles” is a strategy that is not and should not be exclusive to mage

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It’s kinda the basis of how to dodge bosses in this game

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While still dealing damage

wicked halo
#

Speaking of which.

distant agate
#

didnt say it should be exclusive, just that all the classes play it the exact same way with literally no variation besides true melee

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and i just think thats a shame

dull heart
#

Summoner plays different

wicked halo
#

I kinda wish Ranger had more flashy weapons.

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Like.

halcyon seal
#

I hate true melee that class should stay closer to other melee LOL

dull heart
#

Flash rounds go

halcyon seal
#

Like I get the idea there

distant agate
#

i dont think their should be massive differences, just that i would like it if i had to change the playstyle even slightly

distant agate
halcyon seal
#

But good fucking lord true melee is so polarizing

wicked halo
#

It would be nice to make Bows and Guns actually distinct rather that the one difference being that one shoots Arrows the other Bullets.

dull heart
#

True melee is great if the game is designed to be able to accommodate it

halcyon seal
#

You kill the boss in 20 seconds or you can’t hit them outside of like half of an attack

wicked halo
#

Like maybe Bows can be charged up and they focus on burst damage.

dull heart
#

You know what's the best way to deal damage in Calamity though

wicked halo
#

While Guns are about chip damage.

dull heart
#

Fishing power class

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Go my feral bobber

unique warren
#

Imo.

halcyon seal
#

I think mage should be the true glass cannon class, you can make an argument that “oh summoner should be glass cannon” but I think what’d make most sense is actually having summoner be the 2nd bulkiest class behind melee

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However, I also think summoner should be inherently complex

halcyon seal
#

You should need to minion mix to use it well

arctic cliff
#

i personally disagree

dull heart
#

Summoner needs more stuff like veered Vanguard

arctic cliff
#

if they didnt have whips, they should've been the glass cannon class

halcyon seal
#

Yeah but we do have whips

dull heart
#

Summoner should be neither tanky nor glass cannon

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It should be the most build variety class

halcyon seal
#

I don’t really like whips and I wish that sentries were pushed more heavily instead but, whips are clearly here to stay

dull heart
#

You can do tanky or glass Cannon

unique warren
#

Which is how it is currently tbf

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At least, once you beat a mech boss.

distant agate
#

yea summoner should have minions that are better at different things instead of just the best minion for that stage in the game

dull heart
#

Those do exist

halcyon seal
#

Minion mixing is already needed for optimal damage and that’s great

distant agate
#

which is hard to do in all fairness

#

oh sweet

halcyon seal
#

But I wish minion mixing was more, required for summoner?

dull heart
#

Same way any class needs to pick specific weapons for specific target

unique warren
halcyon seal
#

Early game there’s not much choice but by the time you reach hardmode

distant agate
halcyon seal
#

I think minion mixing should be required to stay on par with other classes

distant agate
#

usually the best weapon is "whichever one does the most damage and has tracking"

halcyon seal
#

And in exchange you get a higher damage ceiling

dull heart
#

Nebula blaze struggles on the worms compared to other options

distant agate
#

true true

dull heart
#

Big difference is usually crowd control versus single Target

distant agate
#

but also theres not really many worm bosses at that point in the game besides storm weaver ig

dull heart
#

Summoner needs more minions that buff the player instead of just doing damage

halcyon seal
#

Maybe it’s like, copies of summons get exponentially weaker the more of them you have

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So the first summon, that’s full damage

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Second summon is a bit weaker

dull heart
#

I don't think that's ideal

unique warren
#

I have very distinct visions in mind for classes and I think some of y’all would like it

dull heart
#

I think encouraging minion mixing should not be so heavy-handed

distant agate
#

eh that would just make me have 15 different summons in my hotbar

dull heart
#

It being through minions naturally being good at specific things such as providing buffs

halcyon seal
distant agate
#

yea different buffs and optimal damge in different situations sounds way more interesting

distant agate
dull heart
#

I love how Saros does minion mixing

unique warren
dull heart
#

And Sirius

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Sirius laser doesn't scale with minion slots at all

halcyon seal
#

It’s fire rate right

dull heart
#

no it literally doesn't scale at all

#

The quasar

halcyon seal
#

Huh

dull heart
#

While the main attack gains more and more value from repeated summons

#

this means that Sirius at one slot has a very high value for quasar or starburst gen, and the value at full slots is also there for the main attack

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Saros scales Eclipse Beam linearly with slots, but main attack has a curve

deep bough
#

Apparently having draedon holo dye or the fungal clump equipped in vanity can give you this error

dull heart
#

This means at low slots Saros wants to be used primarily for the active

distant agate
#

god that just blinded me

#

its so bright

dull heart
#

While at high slots, the auto attack has more weight

deep bough
unique warren
#

Feel like it could be done a tad better

halcyon seal
#

Probably

dull heart
#

I don't think it is bc it just means using one of everything available is almost always best

unique warren
#

Maybe so but also

distant agate
unique warren
#

That’s how it is for a lot of vanilla summons (sort of) but it’s also vague as shit

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Alternatively, make some “support” minions like caustic

halcyon seal
#

im assuming any fundamental changes to summoner would come with a complete rework to the class as we know it

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obv dont just slap scaling onto current summoner and expect it to work

grim meteor
#

why does normality relocator got a delay when u use it?

unique warren
unique warren
grim meteor
desert garnet
young notch
#

FINALLY did the new BoC fight

distant agate
#

nice

#

i found brain way easier on the surface

young notch
#

It's neat, but holy god that attack with the myriad illusions grossed me the hell out

deft lily
#

find luigi!

fathom girder
#

but

#

that's a single build

dull heart
#

how does chaos stone make it better on worms

young notch
#

Probably gonna make a suggestion for the sprites to look like something else if you have gore off

dull heart
#

it just adds damage in general

quasi turret
#

whats the best pre mech rogue weapon this update

fathom girder
#

Cuz it applies an extra bit of damage to every segment

dull heart
#

the extra dmg is proportional to what was already applied though

fathom girder
#

I may fundamentally misunderstand chaos stone still then

dull heart
#

it's like saying equipping shroomite bullet helmet makes sniper rifle good on deus

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chaos stone is effectively just a damage multiplier applied over time

fathom girder
#

My thinking is like

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that 20% burn is now being applied to 7 or 8 segments

#

making it more than 20%

dull heart
#

No

fathom girder
#

as an example

#

bleh

dull heart
#

Because it's 20% of the damage that applies it

fathom girder
#

oh so

#

okay okay I know where I got hung up then I think

distant agate
#

i mean

#

is that still not multiple dots?

dull heart
#

20% of 100 is the same as 20% of (20+20+20+20+20)

distant agate
#

as opposed to 1 dot?

fathom girder
#

the burn is the extra 20% it's not a 20% of the attack's damage per tick

dull heart
#

yes

fathom girder
#

and I forget but chaos stone does stack on single targets right

dull heart
#

yes

fathom girder
#

so yeah okay

#

alright now I understand

fathom girder
#

you've likely got a few options

#

I'd recommend checking out the cobalt/palladium weapons cuz those are infinite use now

#

I need to do a rogue run

#

rogue's my fave class as of pre brainstorm

granite osprey
#

man that boss hard

dull heart
#

Specifically a better weapon

grave geyser
granite osprey
dull heart
#

were you using urchin mace

granite osprey
#

yes

dull heart
#

what on earth were you doing to be getting a 6:21 at 44%

granite osprey
#

malice leg 2x boss hp

dull heart
#

ah

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Ok carry on

granite osprey
#

LOL

lyric trellis
#

Well that explains it

granite osprey
#

also ty for removing the boss enrage because good god I do not have enough of a surface crimson to make a full arena otherwise

#

now to figure out how to actually kill the boss

main falcon
#

where was the list of thealcohol changes

west ledge
#

abaddon still bugged right?

granite osprey
cunning schooner
#

did they remove rod of discord from wizard in hallow

rancid pagoda
# west ledge abaddon still bugged right?

Rebalanced Abaddon. Nerfed Brimstone Flames debuff damage reduction from 66% to 50%. Explosion damage is now 25 base damage scaled by best class damage, instead of 30% of the projectile's damage with a softcap of 25.

west ledge
rancid pagoda
west ledge
#

im wondering if its still bugged

rancid pagoda
#

elaborate

cunning schooner
#

dang

west ledge
#

well i was told that it was bugged to not work at all

#

but that was a few days ago

#

thats all the elab i can give

rancid pagoda
#

at all?

west ledge
#

ye

rancid pagoda
#

it's a lot weaker than before, that's for sure

west ledge
#

It was 3 days ago so probably not enough time has passed for a hotfix to pass but im just asking incase

west ledge
#

this seems to be stronger

rancid pagoda
west ledge
#

what does that mean

rancid pagoda
#

it can go higher but at reduced rate

west ledge
#

ic

rancid pagoda
#

which I have no idea what the rate was

west ledge
#

but this doesnt seem like a nerf

#

maybe its been tested tho

rancid pagoda
#

could be similar on most weapons but stronger on fast hits

west ledge
#

If it still has an icd then fast hits would be rate limited

rancid pagoda
#

well I just now tested it and it did an explosion on the very first crit after joining the world but then no more

west ledge
#

Ouch so still bugged

rancid pagoda
#

void of extinction is working

dull heart
stoic surge
#

so whats the whole draedon changes? I realized the tazer doesnt need a charge now and its honestly a lot cooler

#

is the whole progression of the stuff the same?

west ledge
#

actually the hotfix would just ping us right

#

i probably shouldve just waited for that tbh

granite osprey
#

squeezing out that extra little bit of defense (exquisitely stuffed)

west ledge
#

im sad that the hyperius bullet isnt affected by the new grapefruit beer

#

that would be so cool

arctic cliff
#

its just gone

west ledge
hasty tangle
#

annihilated

winged bramble
#

so how good is true melee now

granite osprey
#

finally good god

lapis oak
#

Bug reports are on break?

granite osprey
#

also i thought we stopped with the telefrags lol

lapis oak
#

Seems like recent stuff haven't been marked with anything yet

west ledge
#

So I have a question: Does the summons (cosmic viper engine for example) alternate between bullets or only shoot one of them

lapis oak
#

Anyways Blissful Bombardier's rework is awesome

#

It's splendid

west ledge
#

nah

#

im mainly on about the swirling part

#

im not sure if its meant to not work with that

dull heart
#

Oh

lapis oak
#

I don't think it should

west ledge
#

probably not it might be a bit silly

lapis oak
#

Didn't 2.1.1 make Cholorophyte main arrow not affected and Grape Beer and some other things?

#

Why is that

#

Talking more about Grape Beer stuff here

raw falcon
#

chlorophyte works normally

lapis oak
#

Ye that

raw falcon
#

and only the main sprouting arrows

lapis oak
#

But like why

#

I don't use it much so idk

#

And wasn't here when hotfix was on the way to discuss

raw falcon
#

well, the main arrows deal massively increased damage and dont live that long to begin with so thats probably why?

lapis oak
#

Yeah I would assume for balancing reasons but I want more details

raw falcon
#

they prolly didn't want the split bonus to be easier to achieve or something

terse dew
#

Nuclear apocalypse dps

#

Idk

raw falcon
#

why are you blue

terse dew
#

Splitting projectiles almost always have some nightmarish interactions with bosses with multiple hitboxes

terse dew
granite osprey
still cobalt
#

is nidhog busted or is spectralstorm just hella mid

lapis oak
#

Is Xyk's rework busted or is evil Shark's rework just hella mid

vivid hemlock
#

🦈

lapis oak
#

Don't think ill of me I like it

vivid hemlock
#

ailmentwhite

lapis oak
#

Just thought it was funny to roast CIT

#

🥺

vivid hemlock
#

void of extinction rework or removal place your bets

lapis oak
#

Is it the fucking

#

Abaddon upgrade

#

I think the one dying is Void of Calamity

vivid hemlock
#

idk i havent seen its recipe since like 2019

lapis oak
#

Extinction will take its sprite

#

The Clone drop will die

vivid hemlock
#

🙏

lapis oak
#

Extinction takes its sprite because it's awesome

vivid hemlock
#

you will go extinct

lapis oak
#

😠 why so mean

analog mantle
#

am i crazy or does the angler quest rework just not function

dull heart
fathom girder
#

god I forgot how fucked up death mode is in earlygame

#

random ass hornet phasing through the wall because it can just do that

rare tinsel
#

they always do that

#

hornets are just assholes

lapis oak
#

Yeah the Hornet

rare tinsel
#

i invented Dumb Idiot Jail to trap them

lapis oak
#

Turning invisible and phasing through walls

#

Is that new

#

Or it's old

fathom girder
#

bro I just want spore knife

#

and then dmode is ezmode again

lapis oak
#

Master stats and enemy stats revert really made me notify what they be doing now

arctic cliff
lapis oak
#

Idk something new

#

Not fucking Void of Calamity that thing is glorpshit

dull heart
#

void of peak

lapis oak
#

Alright

dull heart
#

with the grape beer on the Rubico Prime's magazine eject also homes in on enemies

#

peak

fathom girder
#

isn't it weird that Yharim's gift is only slightly better than void of calamity

dull heart
#

It's significantly better

fathom girder
#

are those other passive effects really useful though

dull heart
#

It's only slightly better in damage

steep path
#

would you guys recommend aerospec for a mage 🤔

dull heart
#

15% movement speed and 15 defense are notable

lapis oak
#

I know it's upgraded from M1 but still

#

Holy that's cool

lyric trellis
#

A whole 1 damage

fathom girder
#

I can get 15 defense with rampart of deities at that stage can't I

lapis oak
#

Tyranny's End magazine when?

fathom girder
#

or better movement with statis's sash

#

like I'm good

dull heart
fathom girder
#

ah alright

#

I can kinda see it then

dull heart
#

Also like

#

Defense becomes more valuable the more you have

unreal shuttle
#

wing stats are getting reverted soon?

dull heart
#

And gift is both 15% offense and movement and defense

fossil garden
#

Did they change the way you have to obtain the herring staff?

dull heart
dull heart
unreal shuttle
dull heart
#

Can also fish inside the abyss post skeletron for them too if

fossil garden
#

oh damn I may do that then

dull heart
#

Check the pins for details

junior obsidian
#

malice is death + ftw right?

dull heart
#

Death is Master + calamity difficulty

#

So death does still exist on FTW if you use Master and not Legendary

thorny nacelle
#

I bet the next major update will be labeled as 2.2.0.

fathom girder
#

how much money

junior obsidian
#

is there a way to get legendary without having ftw worldgen or no

fathom girder
#

did brainstorm release any new rogue accessories or can I reference the wiki

halcyon onyx
#

I never suffered the most in my life

#

MasoDeath DOG with the new rework complety annihilated me...

#

Any tip? Like dear god, even infernum DOG was a lot easier

grand creek
#

When I played the other day my summons kept disappearing. Is anyone else having this issue?

fathom girder
#

known glitch

halcyon onyx
unreal shuttle
dull heart
#

Wings are too overcentralizing a piece of gear to need more than mobility on them

dull heart
#

Or maso changes dog for some reason

#

But I don't think it does

#

Body takes only 7.5% of damage dealt to it, same as it's always been for any version of DoG

halcyon onyx
halcyon onyx
fathom girder
#

Tomere might be hitting those 1s

dull heart
#

Terratomere probably sucks

#

Death's Ascension is cracked though, are you using both clicks?

halcyon onyx
#

I only use terratomere as a auxiliary weapon, mainly I use death ascension and Terror blade

unreal shuttle
#

oh shit death valley cluster is no longer just a fart cloud

dull heart
#

Death's Ascension wants you to left click once to spawn rift then right click otherwise until rift closes

halcyon onyx
#

I do that

steep path
#

Fun thing - reworked flare bolt keeps animating even when you click off the game

dull heart
#

it's currently super strong and kills dog in like, 2:00 or 2:30

halcyon onyx
#

I think it's just masodeath stat changes

dull heart
#

maybe yeah

#

Idk what maso does to stats

halcyon onyx
#

and give them some small debuffs or etc

dull heart
distant agate
#

what name should i give my summoner

#

preferably starting with an S

dull heart
#

Summoner

distant agate
#

ill get you

halcyon onyx
#

Growing up is realizing Terratomere is a mid weapon-

#

jk

#

or maybe not

#

Anyways, gonna try to beat DOG

steep path
distant agate
#

ok thats good

#

ty

fossil garden
restive pewter
#

with the calamity update does this mean infernum is also updated?

fossil garden
#

ah I see

dull heart
#

Fishing while inside... I don't remember which layer

#

can catch it

#

Maybe any layer?

#

your best bet for that would be equipping Sunken Sinker

fossil garden
#

yeah trying rn

distant agate
#

is warding the best reforge for summoner builds still?

mystic eagle
distant agate
#

was more so just looking for opinions rather than asking for an objective fact lol

manic fox
#

does anyone know why this happens to my characters? I feel like it's just a tmod thing, since i've tried enabling/disabling most mods

steep path
hasty hawk
#

Remember you can have a bunch of one reforge, and a bunch of another

distant agate
distant raft
distant agate
#

holy shit its woke lesbian jesus

#

im a big fan

spark belfry
terse dew
#

brain griffin from family guy

distant agate
#

im a big fan

hardy gulch
#

Our brains are expanding??

spark belfry
lapis oak
#

it's constantly running even when pausing

steep path
#

I'm used to torches and coins doing it but it's fun to see a big weapon projectile do it

fiery wadi
dull heart
#

that was my goal when reworking jt

lapis oak
#

new Gravity Globe is funny

#

I did enjoy it

distant agate
#

oh i didnt even notice it got reworked

#

i just slapped it in my storage

fiery wadi
#

also its not much but i love seeing this dude in my playthroughs now

#

hes so cool

steep path
#

He's so cute

#

i wanna pick one up and put it in my base

fathom girder
#

unfortunately they do 1 damage

wise bolt
hardy gulch
#

kidnaps 500 baby deus and adds them in a giant aquarium in my base

amber furnace
hardy gulch
#

NOOOOOOOO

wise bolt
#

how could you

vivid hemlock
#

deserved

#

#wholesomesauce

hardy gulch
wise bolt
earnest jewel
#

If they can breathe in space, why can't they breathe in water? Are they stupid?

sonic quail
#

whats happened to the murasama variants

earnest jewel
#

They are not in the game.

#

Because they won't be added for ages.

sonic quail
distant raft
#

iirc slated to release with the murasama rework

sonic quail
#

alrighty

radiant sparrow
#

death mode brain really hurts wtf

fathom girder
#

is he

radiant sparrow
#

half hp for second attemp is decent. i feel like my damage is a bit lacking though

fathom girder
#

giving you a headache

void fjord
#

am i going insane or is the death mode reworked boc severely overtuned? Trying him with melee is nightmarish. Fight just does not end. Switched to revengeance and its far too easy

radiant sparrow
#

i feel like some attacks are like wtf how do you dodge that

void fjord
radiant sparrow
#

im getting mulched by the illusion part

misty wren
grim pecan
#

i'm saving this thank you

frosty marten
dusk bronze
#

the calamity ninjas

earnest jewel
#

Create 10 million versions of Download VCMM.

dusk bronze
misty wren
#

hi yes im the one who made that

brittle escarp
#

I thought the didn’t

misty wren
void fjord
#

is that the bit where he throws common enemies at you

misty wren
#

someone posted that gif once though so i have it saved now

radiant sparrow
#

WE TRADED STILL A WIN

#

9 attemps for boc compared to 39 for eoc

#

like bro what???

frosty marten
#

i saw this one on twitter

misty wren
#

gao made that one iirc

earnest jewel
visual kernel
#

I LOVE SLAGSPLITTER PAULDRON

radiant sparrow
#

Can meteors land on sky island because i just traveled across the entire surface and no meteor????

dusk bronze
#

they really like falling in pits

#

like corruption chasms

#

or on top of living trees

frosty marten
#

happened to my buddy eric once