calamity-update-talk

[blazing field]

even wit hthe reversalas calamity still has alot of qol

[grave rock]

this is simply an ignorant take

[misty wren]

calamity actively buffed vanilla droprates its still easier than vanilla

[blazing field]

^

[pure maple]

This is me wing changes posting for the record

[blazing field]

Also you still have your default dash

[grave rock]

wing changes aint qol

[blazing field]

And crafting potions with blood orbs i believe still is a thing

[dusk bronze]

the wings are still better than vanilla

[twilit forge]

Thats a balance thing

[misty wren]

thats still those wings being better than vanilla

[grave rock]

also this

[brittle escarp]

Also, with shimmer upgrades and luck potions and the lucky rework, you can get a lot of drops

[rancid pagoda]

can't skip the drop grind but the grind is easier than vanilla

I can reach 0.98 luck underground easily now btw

[grave rock]

its mainly the spawn rate boosting items

[brittle escarp]

I did a lucky ranger crit build and I got drops like super often

Also those

[regal vessel]

how will this be possible

[brittle escarp]

30-40 👀

[twilit forge]

I think all rng based drop systems should have a pity system also built in where its guaranteed after a certain number of kills but like

[brittle escarp]

Bruh I was doing 20. I'm cooked

[pure maple]

"QoL is mostly gone and everyone deals 5% less damage now because we liked 0.3 seconds of flight time and 8% acceleration more" is One Of The Changes Ever. Like. I get it. It's still a fun mod. But why.

[twilit forge]

Just install fargos mutant

[terse dew]

they're gonna try to slow players down

[twilit forge]

Like oh idk

[gloomy grove]

wdym by that

[brittle escarp]

I need to uninstall some QoL mods lol

[twilit forge]

EVERYONE ELSE

[terse dew]

🤩

[grave rock]

???

[pure maple]

So many good changes and then a few ??? Mixups

[regal vessel]

as in how are yall gonna extend progression even further

[blazing field]

Wings are mobility accessories

[terse dew]

you're gonna go oooh aaah pretty mini structure

🤩

[blazing field]

Having them also give you random stat buffs ontop actively detracted from their role and also powercrept the player uncessarily

[gloomy grove]

introduce things that arent related to fighting something??

[grave rock]

"everyone deals 5% less damage" ignoring that every boss had their stats debloated

[brittle escarp]

I do indeed do that

[terse dew]

and it will be #inspiring

[pseudo vector]

flesh out the non-boss related stuff more

[gloomy grove]

afaik CD really wants to introduce things to explore on post-ml stage

which i would love

[barren nacelle]

Genuine mass boss health reduction?

[regal vessel]

terraria world is actually pretty bloated

[blazing field]

Calamity this update both overall made bosses and the player weaker, because calamity has had a pretty bad case of uencessary powercreep where

[pseudo vector]

because right now there isn’t that much

[blazing field]

the player is stronger, but the boss needs to be stronger to cvompensate, so everything is stronger

[barren nacelle]

I would loooove to workshop post ml biome content

[brittle escarp]

Would it be possible to make the power gaps between bosses bigger? Right now there is just no reason to farm because the stuff from the boss can beat the next boss

[blazing field]

and its a cycle

[brittle escarp]

Like everything else is optional

[regal vessel]

4 world evils 🤤

[blazing field]

And lal it really does in the end

[barren nacelle]

But I worry my ideas would be too Tremor-esque

[golden oyster]

oh what changes did they make?

[barren nacelle]

I must simply be better

[brittle escarp]

I think it would slow people down if the jumps were bigger so you had to work to get stronger more

[blazing field]

Is make it so calamity content is far stronger than other modded content whenever you install any other mods 😭

[barren nacelle]

But first I gotta finish my abyss enemy redesigns

[blazing field]

Like it's all it really does

[brittle escarp]

oh true

[blazing field]

Because in calamity itself everything is powercrept

Or, well, was

[terse dew]

Speedrunners are in shambles about it

[pseudo vector]

it would kinda reintroduce the power creep curve we were trying to mitigate

[barren nacelle]

We need like a counter for how many hours we go without someone bitching about qol removals

[grave rock]

ive seen some people argue the player might be too strong compared to what the bosses are dishin out, do u think this is true?

[rancid pagoda]

bosses just need to drop less weapons, straight up

[misty wren]

your wing choice prior was never determined by what the wings did as wings it was all determined by the damage boosts they gave
for example, playing mage? guess you're using butterfly wings because those have mage stats on them

[blazing field]

Unsure because i haven't been able to play myself yet

[pure maple]

I'm not ignoring that, but they did just peel combat wings outta the mod.

[gloomy grove]

is that a bad thing

[blazing field]

Did you read my reasons for why they were removed

[grave rock]

"combat wings" is a cool name for one extra damage

[regal vessel]

To be fair they're not just mobility accessories, theyre required accessories

[brittle escarp]

Idk if this is a good idea, but would it be valuable to make specifically boss drop items weaker than ones you have to grind for after the boss to encourage grinding but still not require it? Like you could go mine and farm to make the next boss easier, but you can still win if you are goated without it

Like thats kinda already true tho

so maybe not

[pseudo vector]

[rancid pagoda]

there is major content bloat for having too many choices for weapons at almost all stages of the game

[grave rock]

i would have defended "combat wings" if they did anything other than pump up player stats

[blazing field]

Regarldess of whether they're required (Which, to be pedantic, they're not, but effectively yeah you kinda need wings after hardmode)

[terse dew]

Every item now gives you a 300% damage modifier that will be balanced around by giving bosses a 300% damage reduction when you have that modifier

[blazing field]

They're accessories meant to focus on mobility

[terse dew]

😊

[regal vessel]

Wings or Boots are always in anyone's build

[gloomy grove]

this would require alot more thought into it to be really good i think

[blazing field]

Having them grant you other miscellaneous buffs is just,

[brittle escarp]

Idk, I think making cultist way harder would be huge. Rn there is no reason to not just go plant->golem->Cultist for easy pillar drops and clear everything instantly

[blazing field]

unmecessary powercreep

[sturdy thistle]

Not really
After both the weapon rebalances and the boss nerfs it comes out to be about even compared to before

There does need to be some tweaks here and there (particularly earth death mode bosses deal too little damage, but some later ones like dog deal too much) but overall it's around the same as before

[blazing field]

And dosen't really make much sense with their role

[misty wren]

wings already inherently have combat boosts in them because They're John Mobility Accessory they dont need a chaser of 3% damage 7% crit

[regal vessel]

and its very obivious that many hardmode and post ml bosses are balanced around having wings

[gloomy grove]

stack sticks are lame yeah

[blazing field]

Soul of Cryogen i believe still has its stat bufsf?

And that makes sense

It is an expert mode item

and that's it's "gimmick"

[pure maple]

I did and I think it's the least interesting possibile solution to "How should we balance this absolutely mandatory accessory that you can't play the mod properly without"

[blazing field]

rather than it being a universal thing for all wings

[grave rock]

lowk thats still lame

[regal vessel]

i dont think it does

it has the falling ice tho

[golden oyster]

A bit dissapointing tbh but I'm not really sure if they ultimately added all that much

[sturdy thistle]

Cultist is heavily undertuned rn iirc so that doesn't help matters

[grave rock]

you are aware wing meta is several times more diverse now lol

[blazing field]

here's the thing, they're already balanced as is in vanilla 😭

[pure maple]

I really like the tattered wings, for the record. They're cool as shit to use.

[brittle escarp]

I actually lost to cultist the first time in my life I think last run

[barren nacelle]

jarvis, pull up my wip content chart for weapon progression

[blazing field]

The balance issues,

come entirely from calamity itself

[brittle escarp]

I was so used to winning I didn't prep and died right before it did lol

[terse dew]

it's so funny playing games where a 3% stat boost is seen as insane and then we have cal items in total giving 250% damage modifiers

[blazing field]

all that it did

was revert those changes that makde them unbalanced to begin with

[barren nacelle]

There are actually a lot of gaps in items between bosses

[terse dew]

and people still think that's too low

[blazing field]

Specially when yeah

most of them were just flat stat boosts

and honestly, i don't see how that's...

[terse dew]

like ohh actually I need a 500% damage modifier

[blazing field]

Interesting or fun in any way

It's literally just

[barren nacelle]

Slime god gives rogue jack shit

[blazing field]

textbook definition powercreep

[grave rock]

ppl acting like wing meta was diverse as if it wasnt fairy wing dominance

[terse dew]

funny numbers!

[brittle escarp]

To be fair, big number is funny, even if not well balanced

[terse dew]

they gotta go up!

[grave rock]

i meant

angel wing

ahem

i always mix em up

[pseudo vector]

i like seeing people have more unique build variety

[sturdy thistle]

God angel wings

[blazing field]

Giving accessories that in vanilla just, make you fly, stat boosts for the heck of it

[barren nacelle]

No guys I insist build homogeny is indicitave of healthy balance guys

[pure maple]

Yes, it's "diverse" in that you choose very minor differences in how mobility feels to use and/or one or the admittedly neat mini game wings

[blazing field]

Can you imagine if that was done to other accesosries?
Just

[golden oyster]

idk anything about the meta but I always used those lol

[sturdy thistle]

There was really no reason for wings to give damage bonuses lol

They are your mobility tool

[blazing field]

adding random stat buffs onto them for seemingly no reason

[grave rock]

wings being different in how they fly feels more appropiate than just pumpin up ur stats just cuz

[sturdy thistle]

Not your emblem

[pseudo vector]

personalisation is smth i enjoy a lot in games like terraria

[barren nacelle]

Hermes boots now give you a damage up if moving at max sprint

[misty wren]

5% damage 5% crit but only at night isnt an interesting balance choice its just wings giving damage now

[brittle escarp]

Also, are boots just kinda bad now, or am I tweaking? Every run I have ever run I ran winged boots but I feel like they are just worse in every way than wings

[blazing field]

TATS LITERALLY WHAT IT IS 😭

except arguably worse because most of them

didnt even have conditionals

[sturdy thistle]

Not really?

[blazing field]

and if they did it was usually jujst

"wear this armor"

[sturdy thistle]

Boots I would say are in a better spot now

[misty wren]

or exist at night

[sturdy thistle]

Especially fucking elysian

[barren nacelle]

What if everything was either an emblem or a band of regeneration.

[brittle escarp]

Like the running acceleration is fine, I guess, but wings of rebirth are already too fast imo. and elysian wings are way better than the on tier boots for providence because you need air time

[distant raft]

void kicks are pretty tasty

[barren nacelle]

That was most accessory philosophy for a good while it was all fucking stat sticks or the dumbest fucking gimmic effects

[high scaffold]

I wonder if there will be more reworks similar to the abyssal amulet being reworked into sea spirit amulet

[grave rock]

stat stick accessories arelame

[sturdy thistle]

Elysian wings are POST PROVIDENCE

What is that comparison 😭

[brittle escarp]

Wait year

i'm stupid

[barren nacelle]

Like ooooh if you're on grass you regen more what??? What???

[brittle escarp]

disregard that

[terse dew]

Just remember that 0.1 second you save killing that trash mob is 0.1s gained for doing other things like sorting your inventory or googling the wiki

[brittle escarp]

I meant Yharon

mb gang

[grave rock]

i hope we get elemental gauntlet quiver fun gimmicks

[pseudo vector]

like do you want to deal as much damage as possible but risk taking big damage? there’s accessories for that
you not the best at dodging and want defence and survivability, but might sacrifice dps as a result? there’s accessories for that

[brittle escarp]

🙏

[barren nacelle]

Your attacks inflict... a new debuff!!!!

[sturdy thistle]

Also it's playstyle dependant for rebirth vs celestial

ALthough rebirth is mostly just objectively better for scal

[grave rock]

cuz rn theyre liek

[brittle escarp]

I want elemental quiver to be good so bad

[sturdy thistle]

For exos it's a different story

[pure maple]

I liked wings contributing to set bonuses, I wish more conditionals existed instead of wings now being a mandatory slot cost to fill up the demon heart slot and doing absolutely nothing other than make the mod playable because of boss attack patterns.

[barren nacelle]

Sometimes your weapon fires... a projectile!!!!!

[sturdy thistle]

As exos you actually like the horizontal mobility

[brittle escarp]

I never use it because it gives the same stats as recon scope which is golem tier

[brittle escarp]

well yeah but its rough for SCal

I would argue actively detrimental

[golden oyster]

OMG Anti-grav hook Acro Pack is so fun I wantitiwantitiwantit

[grave rock]

i feel like ur gassing up 5% damage up a bit

[distant raft]

wings arent mandatory you have bundle and featherfall pot now go get em champ

[sturdy thistle]

I still use rebirth on exos due to my General Playstyle that has evolved after fighting them 600 times but like
They're very good on exos, often preferred

[regal vessel]

yea but they dont have any significant differences in how they fly

[terse dew]

unfortunately, the faster the boss dies the less hits you may potentially take

[high scaffold]

"all attacks, including summons, inflict [debuff here]" accessories that also give immunity to the same debuff

[grave rock]

ahem

[sturdy thistle]

The humble ravager:

[terse dew]

That's kind of universal RPG logic

[brittle escarp]

new ravager is so much more fun

[terse dew]

It's pretty hard to escape

[brittle escarp]

I don't just dash back and for through him anymore

[sturdy thistle]

I think rav sucked both in bh and in brainstorm

[misty wren]

new ravager is still ravager and it still sucks

[distant raft]

ravager when you don't actually have to leave the ground

[sturdy thistle]

I do not find rav particularly fun

[brittle escarp]

Better, not great

[pure maple]

Same slot cost as wings but they suck, lmao

[sturdy thistle]

Not even good

[brittle escarp]

Like 4/10 instead of 1

[sturdy thistle]

I would even go so far as to say
Rav is currently the worst boss in the mod By A Lot

[grave rock]

wtf did u expect, like theyre still wings, they have different pluses and cons ur not gonna get a warioware minigame when u use wings sorry

[distant raft]

you got hook and featherfall now go get em champ

[grave rock]

theyre fundamentally wings with different stats in how they fly rather than giving u 5% damage just cuz

[pure maple]

^^ If I could feel the difference more acutely I would enjoy it more but it genuinely has just made the wings feel more homogeneous

[grave rock]

aas a little treat

[distant raft]

yeah wheres the opportunity cost now huh

[brittle escarp]

This is purely me being a hater, but I think Old Duke, literally just because there is absolutely no reason to do him ever

[pure maple]

Getting hit

[sturdy thistle]

I wouldn't even call OD good

But like

[high scaffold]

Who needs wings if gravitation potions exist

[sturdy thistle]

Not worse than rav

[distant raft]

thats not opportunity cost

[sturdy thistle]

OD is down there tho

[brittle escarp]

At least ravager drops bloodstone

like thats something ig

[sturdy thistle]

I meant more from a bossfight standpoint rather than progression

[brittle escarp]

oh fair

then yeah lol

[sturdy thistle]

Like, the actual fights themselves

Rav gives craaaaaaaaaazy good loot

[grave rock]

slime god

is such a snore

[misty wren]

old duke is still running off a duke fishron base so itll be at least passable

[terse dew]

someone's gotta make the calamity mod killer with 50 bosses where the last 10 each have over a billion HP because the player stats and damage modifiers get so astronomically high 🤩

[brittle escarp]

It is just pierce weapon -> win

[high scaffold]

Not even a unique drop, it can be farmed in brimstone crags

[distant raft]

yeah at like 2% the rate

[brittle escarp]

thats so slow tho

[pure maple]

You know what you're right, it's theoretically possible to play through this mod blindfolded while smashing your head into a concrete wall every time you dodge a projectile, but that doesn't mean that it's What the mod should be fucking balanced around

[brittle escarp]

even with luck and everything

[grave rock]

ur getting ragebaited

[terse dew]

Old Calamity mod game design was literally OP levels from borderlands 2

[distant raft]

hook slander on the tl :hms:

[grave rock]

and ur batting too hard for 5% damage up

[high scaffold]

So humble 5 ways to increase spawnrate

[terse dew]

It's so funny

[blazing field]

hooks and featherfall is literally a valid strategy though

and it saves up an accesory slot if you want to use something else

[distant raft]

tldr wings have never been mandatory you have evil ass alternatives

[sturdy thistle]

Rav
SG
CV
OD

Bottom 4 easy

[brittle escarp]

The wing bonuses were jus kinda nothing imo. It was "you do 5% damage" Like I don't think anything huge was lost

[distant raft]

yeah it might take a bit of learning

but its still a usable alternative

[misty wren]

hookboosting is super strong

[brittle escarp]

I forgot how much I despise ceaseless void

[grave rock]

i kinda fuck with CV

[brittle escarp]

nevermind, he is my bottom by far

[distant raft]

especially now that wacro is alive and well

[brittle escarp]

new tier

[sturdy thistle]

CV is

Slightly better now?

Since he no longer does the wobble

[high scaffold]

Its all just wing propaganda to make our children unable to dodge

[wind rover]

i fought dog with bobbit hook featherfall 2 days ago and it was actually pretty fun

[blazing field]

I also think people overlook

[sturdy thistle]

But I would never call it good

[blazing field]

why having so many diff wings in vanilla

even if theyre not super different usually

[brittle escarp]

I don't like it controlling my movement with gravity shenanigans. It just throws me into its attacks and then telefrags me for 460

[blazing field]

is actually a good thing

Ok

[distant raft]

2.0.7.2 ceaseless is the second best basecal boss ive fought and im not budging on this until i fight a new basecal boss

[blazing field]

Wings are a highly recommended to use accesory, even if not MANDATORY

knowing this,

[distant raft]

first best is 2.1 malice dog :clu

[sturdy thistle]

I'm sorry wobbly cv is dogshit regardless of version

[lyric trellis]

Two top 10 cal bosses here is crazy

[grave rock]

?

[distant raft]

is the second in the room with us right now

[grave rock]

im guessing one of em is cv

whos the second one

[misty wren]

i mean it has to be old duke

[high scaffold]

Imagine if wings didnt give fall damage immunity

[brittle escarp]

Wait, was FTW changed? I feel like master death is a bit easy, but I feel like FTW, malice, or Legendary is too hard

[misty wren]

out of all of those 4 old duke is easily the best

[sturdy thistle]

OD is
Probably the boss I find the most acceptable of that list

[distant raft]

you'd just tap space before hitting the ground

[sturdy thistle]

It's Malice now and Y E P

[trim moat]

old duke recieved zero gameplay changes in 2.1 by the way

[distant raft]

also yeah joke difficulty is hard

[brittle escarp]

Wait so FTW=Malice, but both stack with Legendary?

[distant raft]

malice is legendary with cal difficulty

[misty wren]

no malice is calamity difficulty on legendary

[high scaffold]

And no hover, be them just like rocket boots

[brittle escarp]

Oh I see

[grave rock]

boss has 10% more aura now n people are acting like hes good

[brittle escarp]

So it goes Master Death<FTW<Legendary

[blazing field]

1. First of all, different wings provide you several different aesthethics for the wings you're gonna use, given you most likely will end up using some of them. There is a vanity aspect to it
2. Secondly, knowing that, there are several different obtainment methods for different wings based on different npcs, biomes, materials, etc. This means you can "pick and choose" whatever you find to be the best for you at any given point of progression, some harder-to-get wings may have better flight stats but not be nearly as accessible, plus some of the easier ones may work as good stepping stones for until you can get those better ones
3. Some wings do actually have unique properties, and these generallly end up as some of the hardest to get ones, like betsy or fishron wings, making them stand out from the others

There is a meaning in having so many different wing types

You don't need a stat stick ontop to validate their existence

[trim moat]

none at all, it was all visuals. theres a bunch of genuinely decent bosses in cal that everyone says are dogshit but theyre really 6/10s with 2/10 presentation

[distant raft]

i dont like old duke because he is racist

[misty wren]

it doesnt actually have any inherent ai changes but it will play vastly differently because legendary is only accessible on gfb and ftw which do have ai changes

[brittle escarp]

I remember when FTW was like "Golem is super tiny and you can't hit him" or "Providence is always night form" or whatever and it kinda felt impossible

[lyric trellis]

OD was still top 10 last update because glorified duke fishron is better than at least 30 cal bosses

[grave rock]

for what its worth i consider it an accomplishment if a terraria boss is a 5/10

[distant raft]

tiny prov too

[brittle escarp]

True

So that is no longer the case?

[misty wren]

super speed prov too

[brittle escarp]

If true, I might re do FTW

[distant raft]

legdeath prov was a fucking nightmare

[golden oyster]

You swing back and forth with gravity or your momentum like you're on a swing to go fast. Its also really good at wing resetting since the hook doesn't pull you towards it, is really fast, and has good range.

[rancid pagoda]

especially when the good stat choice is literally buy from NPC

[misty wren]

no shes still tiny and shes still fast as shit

[distant raft]

wasnt there only a single hell legdeath prov nohit

[brittle escarp]

It was like acutally impossible

oh

sadge

Is there anything between Master Death and FTW?

[distant raft]

everyone just did her on the surface because where the fuck else would you fight her? in the office cubicle that is hell?

[grave rock]

i wouldnt mind seeing some "set bonus" perks to like spectre spooky wings but i get if thats not rly something cal wants to lean into

[distant raft]

no

[brittle escarp]

😔

[grave rock]

it also homogenizes builds which idt is something u necessarily want

[brittle escarp]

New run: Master Death but I like only use musket balls or something idk

would be hilarious

[misty wren]

also yeah as i said its still running off a duke fishron base

[blazing field]

I feel like at times, people that are more used to modded terraria don't give enough credit to vanilla game design

[grave rock]

like ok im spooky armor so i have to run spooky wings

[blazing field]

It's not without its flaws,m

[distant raft]

poo boulder game design

[misty wren]

not that hard you just use conversion weapons

[blazing field]

But you gotta remember the people making it definitely know what they are doing

[brittle escarp]

good point

hm

[misty wren]

which cal has plenty of

[trim moat]

my name is portal mech and my favorite boss in the calamity mod is post-2.1 crabulon

[grave rock]

ill say its a 85/15 hit to miss ratio

[brittle escarp]

Mediumcore Calamity

[grave rock]

and im being generous

[pure maple]

#returnmybeetlewings, otherwise yea I already said that I agree that most of it was uninteresting, it just feels like an unnecessary change that makes things feel more homogeneous instead of more interesting

[brittle escarp]

Crabulon actually has more bullets than SCal and its the funniest thing ever

they all do like 2 damage too

you just get blasted

[grave rock]

i think its more homogenous personally that if u have X armor or play X class then ur basically locked into Y wings

[blazing field]

Even with me saying i think vanilla enemies and bosses are rather simplistic and thus they're not much of my thing,

I do think that having some fodder enemies is actually a good thing for terraria's game design - Grinding is a fairly big aspect fo it, and having to grind through super complex or challenging enemies would get in the way of that

[distant raft]

as expected of The Perfect One

[blazing field]

I just do wihs there were,

[grave rock]

i think earlier terraria did this a bit more right

[rancid pagoda]

player is rewarded with different things when engaging with different gameplay mechanics, no way, and there's only occasionally an alternative way to get stuff

[lyric trellis]

SCal needs to have a constant bh5 at all times to death to match crabulon

[brittle escarp]

There is also the risk of just mining or whatever and just getting jumped by like a random dude that has 8 attacks or whatever

[blazing field]

atleast a few more complex enemies thrown in the mix - Perhaps some rarer ones or ones in a few selected biomes that are intended to be harder/more dangerous

Like,

[mellow laurel]

is it just me or does universal collapse not play anymore

[brittle escarp]

SCal is like unironically one of my favorite boss fights in any game

[grave rock]

im a huge fan of 1.0 n 1.1 content

[distant raft]

yeah vanilla feels like it got kinda lost in the sauce somewhere but its still damn tasty rn

[brittle escarp]

I mean, 1.2 was supposed to be the final update lol

[trim moat]

this would be cool if the weapons were more satisfying imo. i think there's a certain balance you need to strike

[brittle escarp]

Makes sense

[pure maple]

That's fair, I understand the sentiment and generally agree, I just feel like it was a boring solution to a boring problem instead of an interesting solution to a boring problem

[rancid pagoda]

me every time I even step one toe into the post Golem jungle

[misty wren]

in vanilla i do still feel like i actively pay attention to the enemies on screen

[blazing field]

Yeah i think in vanilla,

Enemies are generally just too much fodder

[brittle escarp]

TRUE

[blazing field]

Basically every enemy in vanilla is fodder and they thave

[grave rock]

i disagree on the new wings being uninteresting, i think you're giving em too little credit

[blazing field]

very little behavioral variety

[trim moat]

the issue with vanilla grinding isnt the enemies its the weapons. if the weapons feel like molasses to use youre gonna hate grinding no matter how tedious it actually is

[brittle escarp]

Its either that, or they like rip your head off with their bare hands for no reason

[grave rock]

i think goblin army does enemy design best and I am NOT joking

[brittle escarp]

the pulse rifle is so fun to grind with

[blazing field]

No i think goblin army is actually one of the better events,

[brittle escarp]

I love the little orbs that just stick around and jump people

[blazing field]

its surprisingly competent in its design

[misty wren]

like even late hardmode in vanilla im paying attention to blood moons because clowns are bastards
in cal i have never once actually focused on one of those enemies

[twilit forge]

Lowkey…

[grave rock]

goblin army has the bonus of being early so u get to design around limited resources

[twilit forge]

Thats so real

[high scaffold]

Actualy fargos 2.0 will change it

[trim moat]

if vanillas weapons had more satisfying gameplay, grinding would be awesome

[grave rock]

every enemy outside of peon feels like they have a legitimate role to play

in the invasion

[blazing field]

I still find grinding to be fun

[twilit forge]

Like its well balanced yet still challenging

[brittle escarp]

Is it a hot take to say Martians are the worst? its the infinite projectile stun pit where everything does one billion damage and electrifies and stuns

[blazing field]

But i can't deny some weapons in vanilla are pretty bland to use at times

Alot of the more satisfying onesare more recent addditions or changes

[gloomy grove]

i love old lord's claymore and augur in 2.1

[lyric vortex]

Beam Sword ahh

[misty wren]

even peons feel like they do something

[grave rock]

yes!

[twilit forge]

Theres a tank, a mage that diverts attention, an archer that pokes you from a large distance

[blazing field]

Though the harder enemies thing wasn't really about the grinding aspect

[twilit forge]

It just

[pure maple]

I've spent the last 3 days swapping through wings trying to test the new update and it still feels very samey for 90% of them.

[brittle escarp]

Still no SDMG rework 😔

[twilit forge]

Works

[grave rock]

and the Little Bitches

(thieves)

[blazing field]

It's more so that i just think having some more mechanically complex and interesting enemies would be better for enemy combat and exploring as a whole in vanilla

[trim moat]

i like grinding ores significantly more post-1.4.5 in vanilla because of power bombs, for instance

[grave rock]

i like mining :)

[blazing field]

rather than mostly being the same few ais replicated over and over

[lyric vortex]

Imo S.D.M.G. is fine as is because it's like super high fire rate and also super high accuracy

[grave rock]

one of my favorite parts of optimizing in terraria is optimizing for non combat stuff

[blazing field]

Keeps things frehs and alkso can cahllenge the player in more unique and fun ways :)

[trim moat]

the satisfying explosion makes an otherwise menial task such as mining into something thats actually pretty cool

[high scaffold]

Honestly they started to rework quite some of them

[trim moat]

i also like mining the normal way, too

[misty wren]

they dont have that big of an impact individually but a massive stack of peons from you just ignoring them is still scary

[grave rock]

optimizing for mining genuinely feels so rewarding

[blazing field]

I actually see terraria as a rather relaxing game under the right context

Like,

[grave rock]

mining armor is goated

[brittle escarp]

Are there any plans whatsoever to rework the minishark line? Not only is it just gun tm, but its like the worst option at every point in progression, even the clones like SDFMG and SDMG, and I know they used to be goated, but I think they just got powercrept

[minor ferry]

what happened to the asgardian aegis? why did it get ran into the ground so hard?

[trim moat]

but if im grinding, like i need hundreds of ore for something, then i whip out the bombs

[blazing field]

i approach vanilla kinda like how i approach stardew valley sometimes

[grave rock]

it didnt

[lyric vortex]

?

[trim moat]

why r u asking me im not a vanilla dev

[pure maple]

This actually reminds me I adore the claymore rework Oh my God hitting things like a truck that early in the game, especially with the visuals and audio, feels so satisfying that it genuinely got me to do a whole melee playthrough that I'm about to pass Moon Lord on

[brittle escarp]

Oh I meant in calamity

sorry

[distant raft]

minor nerf to make it not braindead easy to use and an autoinclude

[trim moat]

cal has no plans to rework vanilla weapons

[brittle escarp]

Fair

[open garden]

defence was lowered to be in like with everything else that was lowered, ankh shield removed because it sucks and makes boss designing harder

[grave rock]

i mean cal does continue megashark line

[twilit forge]

Early game is so peak since like the grind is multipurpose

[trim moat]

i might do some stuff in my own mod

[blazing field]

Also about this

Literally every single enemy in the army actually fills a distinct role in the event

[grave rock]

so ig the actual question would b is megalodon + planned to receive changes

[twilit forge]

You want boots, jumps, ores, life crystals, yadda yadda

[brittle escarp]

I just feel like the megalodon and seadragon are underwelming at best\

[blazing field]

The fact you're way weaker helps alot because you actually have to care about each enemy individually

[twilit forge]

All of them found in the caverns

[high scaffold]

Megalodon and upgrades will be reworked

[grave rock]

i agree :)

[gloomy grove]

good weapon feel goes a long way yeah

[twilit forge]

So each new doodad contributes to your goal

[brittle escarp]

Its just worse than other on-tier options by a lot

[twilit forge]

It feels amazing

[blazing field]

Warriors are big damage sponges that will end up protecting the other priority targets you want to kill like archers and mages

[lyric vortex]

Now that you say it, that's really true

[brittle escarp]

Yippee

[grave rock]

are thieves the only ones who break doors

[blazing field]

Yeah

[misty wren]

yes

[brittle escarp]

I thought it was soldiers?

wait

really?

[trim moat]

i mean i can say its safe to assume that, if the gamefeel of a weapon sucks, were gonna rework it or otherwise improve the gamefeel

[blazing field]

Warriors don't break doors yeah

their thing is just being really tanky

[pure maple]

I've been talking a lot of shit about the update because I disliked some parts but I'm tired of it so it's time to glaze the bits I liked

[lyric vortex]

Peons break the doors down

[grave rock]

is it true thieves use to steal ur shit

[open garden]

excited for megalodon+upgrades rework since fetid emesis has become one of my favourite weapons

[gentle torrent]

how is this new update?

[twilit forge]

Their called thieves

[open garden]

it’s really good

[twilit forge]

I wonder what is it they do

[misty wren]

thieves break down your doors and let other enemies get close while also being relatively fast for their tier

[trim moat]

goblin thieves used to bust down ur door in REAL LIFE actually

[brittle escarp]

The megoladon was actually my favorite weapon for ages and I feel like it needs a new coat of paint so I am super excited as well

[pure maple]

The door breaking genuinely changed how I built bases This shit is interesting

[gentle torrent]

is it worth turning off infernum? tbh i think infernum is abit over rated but it scratched an itch

[brittle escarp]

I can attest to this

[misty wren]

so you can be subject to a thief rush

[grave rock]

theyre like antlion chargers except they dont build up infinite momentum

seriously

[lyric vortex]

Who would win, goblin peon vs a door with one block next to it

[trim moat]

i would say so

[grave rock]

who made it so they can do that (im being hyperbolic)

[gentle torrent]

nice

[blazing field]

Goblin army is a pretty well designed event in contrast with

[high scaffold]

Will be given ammo size, a reload and fish attacks, megalodon when emptying the clip, the upgrade will make fish torpedos swim in circle around you when you hit targets and then release them all onto enemies once you reload

[trim moat]

there were so many fun reworks in brainstorm

[blazing field]

Some other events that are just kind of

[grave rock]

moons

[blazing field]

copious amounts of spam

yeah .

[misty wren]

peons are generic filler enemy but as i said before a peon stack can still scary if you ignore them

[blazing field]

frost moon and its

[gentle torrent]

the temple spike ball moving at mach fuck

[grave rock]

the fighter ai parade

[blazing field]

3 large tanky enemies

[trim moat]

youd be robbing urself of the Full 2.1 Experience by using infernum for your first 2.1 run

[high scaffold]

Archers

[blazing field]

all o fwhich do the same thing

[grave rock]

nutcracker yeti krampus

[misty wren]

pirate invasion pirate invasion pirate invasion pirate invasion pirate invasion pirate invasion pirate invasion pirate invasion pirate invasion pirate invasion pirate invasion

[blazing field]

Yeah, archers are well designed enemies that add to this

[pure maple]

Truth nuke but it's way more fun to watch them try to break my door and get thrown into the goblin grinder 9000

[blazing field]

An enemy being Annoying is not bad design

[hazy pine]

does anyone want a cat this asshole keeps sitting on my computer and turning it off and corrupted my world

[gentle torrent]

havent played in forever these updates are huge, gonna go to a fresh world

[brittle escarp]

Thats awesome

[lyric vortex]

I just hate having to replace it

[grave rock]

archers are arguably the biggest threat in goblin army

[open garden]

guns getting reload-esque effects rocks so much i can’t wait for the future

[blazing field]

yeah

[grave rock]

not saying thats a bad thing

[trim moat]

hell ya, hope u enjoy

[lyric vortex]

Especially killing NPCs too

[pure maple]

Yeah that's fair, I kind of wish they just kicked it open instead of breaking the block

[blazing field]

the problem is that warriors get in your way while you're trying to kill them

so they pile up

[twilit forge]

Yeah theyre fucking enemies they arent gonna tuck you into bed with a glass of warm milk

[blazing field]

and the more archers there are,

[grave rock]

mhm

[blazing field]

the harder they are to take care of

[twilit forge]

You want em GONE

NOW

[brittle escarp]

The new update is so peak. genuinely my favorite update I think. Idk why people are hating on it

[misty wren]

warriors archers and sorcerors are all arguably the most dangerous

[high scaffold]

Unless you are melee, at least seems like calamity nerfs them

[grave rock]

solar eclipse i wouldnt rly count with pirates n goblins but

[blazing field]

Archersa re priority targets that you generally want to go out of your way to kil

[grave rock]

solar eclipse.

[blazing field]

Adn there's many ways to do it

[grave rock]

is truly the fighter ai parade

[blazing field]

You can try to maneuver around the other enemies using mobility tools

Or you can also build around them to reach the archers

you can dodge the arrows, or hide behind blocsk

[grave rock]

at least they got nailheads which are kinda neat just cuz theyre pretty threatening

[blazing field]

eyezor is cool because it looks funny .

haha. eye guy

[grave rock]

eyezor keeps up my favorite terraria trend

[lyric vortex]

Annoying as fuck to dodge because of dumb 99% rng projectiles

[grave rock]

regular enemy but Fucked Up

[brittle escarp]

Dawg Nailheads are so tanky. I was post DoG and saw one walking towards me slowly while tanking like 10 full seconds of direct fire

[misty wren]

peons and thieves not really because once a thief did its thing the others are mostly just peon 2 which are only particularly dangerous when you let them build up

[brittle escarp]

it was kinda intimidating ngl

[high scaffold]

Most classes have ranged attacks that can reach them at that stage of the game, again not melee

[brittle escarp]

its like the senator armstrong bit lol

[blazing field]

Piercing isn't particularly common super e arlygame

And even if its,

[trim moat]

hey man im an eye, have you seen my lens. haha hey buddy its me, an eyeball zombie

[blazing field]

archers generally keep their distance so it might not reach

[brittle escarp]

Unholy arrows my beloved

[twilit forge]

Nothing happened headass

[brittle escarp]

He just ate that

[blazing field]

Piercing is a valid strategy to deal with them but with how stuff works in the earlygame its not as common as it is later

[high scaffold]

You only need high ground to hit them as ranger lets say

[trim moat]

nailhead is technically a miniboss i think?

[blazing field]

Don't think the game counts it as one

[trim moat]

i always assumed it was

[lyric vortex]

In the same way a Paladin is ig

[blazing field]

It drops a banner

[trim moat]

yeah, like a paladin

[brittle escarp]

Does anyone know how much the Bloody Mary nerfs damage? I know its a lot but idk how much

[high scaffold]

An annoyance for sure

[grave rock]

its just a Rare Enemy but like

cmon

[brittle escarp]

Like I stopped being able to one shot normal guys

[grave rock]

its a miniboss in the same wy

[gloomy grove]

it nerfs pierce

[blazing field]

You can kinda fit it under a definition of miniboss if you'd like cuz its a kinda tanky though enemy

[grave rock]

sand elemental is

[brittle escarp]

Right but like every weapon in hardmode has piercing of some variety

[blazing field]

like biome mimics or ice golems or sand elementals yeah

[trim moat]

i consider the paladin a miniboss, i consoder nailhead a miniboss

[grave rock]

sand elemental is a mini boss in all but name right .

[rancid pagoda]

nailheads don't get boss bar but they are rare and drop banner at 25 kills

[blazing field]

i still think

[lyric vortex]

Same with mothron

[blazing field]

the weirdest shit ever

[gentle torrent]

is death> master?

[brittle escarp]

yeah

[blazing field]

was to Not make dreadnautilus an actual miniboss per the game's definition

[gentle torrent]

ah

[rancid pagoda]

paladin doesn't get boss bar either (in vanilla)

[gentle torrent]

fresh fresh world needed then

[blazing field]

like i think paladin, biome mimic, ice golem, etc

it makes sense

[high scaffold]

Death is calamity version of master

[grave rock]

that was utterly insane

[blazing field]

hbut

[grave rock]

doesnt it have scrapped trophy

[blazing field]

Dreadnautiulus????

[grave rock]

n shit

[blazing field]

It dosen't have a boss bar and it dosent drop a trophy

it onyl drops a banner

like thats so fucking weird

[brittle escarp]

Paladins will actually just wreck you. 37.5k health

[trim moat]

you know what fuck it i think mother slimes are minibosses

[brittle escarp]

like dang

[brittle escarp]

no way

[grave rock]

mother slimes can be scary early game but

if ur like

[blazing field]

I think everyone's favorite and iconic enemy Granite Golem is a miniboss

[grave rock]

dumb
like me
black slimes are like on the upper ring of enemies i die to

[high scaffold]

Unless you are melee

[gentle torrent]

should probably turn off fragos and all the other qol stuff to fully enjoy this

[trim moat]

youre right i dont actually think that, i think mother slimes are secretly the main antagonist

[blazing field]

black slimes are fucked up theyre unironically one of the scariest cave enemies in the super earlygame

[trim moat]

pulling the strings behind the scenes the whole time

[lyric vortex]

Idk why Dreadnautiluses aren't an event boss either because imagining a relic and pet to go with it seems quite simple

[grave rock]

yall ever die to a black slime that was on top of you and you didnt see it until u die

[blazing field]

they are surprisingly tanky, have high contact damage

[brittle escarp]

Them and like imps/hellbats

[rancid pagoda]

Dreadnautilus also doesn't scale to multiplayer

[blazing field]

and makes you blind for no fucking reason becasure they hate you

[brittle escarp]

and spiked jungle slimes

[grave rock]

they have insane camouflage

[twin juniper]

The way they blend in glowing mushroom biome background 💔

[gloomy grove]

theyre like barely visible because of their color too

[gentle torrent]

nah fam, pinky is the true superboss

[brittle escarp]

Also harpies are an absolute menace

[grave rock]

REAL

[blazing field]

Yeah that too

the amount of times you just

dont notice them

[high scaffold]

Because you fish it maybe?

[lyric vortex]

Would rainbow slimes also be minibosses?

[brittle escarp]

Harpies got buffed to hell like 3 years ago or whatever

They are so chonky

[grave rock]

if its detected by rare enemy thingy theyre minibosses trust

golden worm is miniboss

[gloomy grove]

thyre kind of more noticeable when texture packs adds more details to slimes in general but the vanilla texture just camos so well with the caverns

[grave rock]

rune wizard is a miniboss

[gentle torrent]

so do you use the calamity overhaul as well?

[gloomy grove]

❌

[grave rock]

with the funniest fucken gimmick

[lyric vortex]

Rune Wizard is DEFINITELY a miniboss

[grave rock]

of

600 contact

[trim moat]

hi my name is hellbat and i love being annoying !!! yay !!! i love being really obnoxious and also just a general nuisance !!! i really like your hellbridge oops youre in lava now !!!

[grave rock]

just cuz

[lyric vortex]

YEAH

[gloomy grove]

telefrag potential

[brittle escarp]

don't they do like 600 contact damage or am I thinking of something else

[open garden]

hellbat worst enemy in the game highkey

[grave rock]

whoever at relogic did that was so funny

[gentle torrent]

sheesh i gotta turn alotta shit off then lmao

[blazing field]

ok, relogic

[grave rock]

they do yes

[high scaffold]

To understand what counts as a miniboss and what not we should firstly defy what is a miniboss

[grave rock]

they just kill you

[brittle escarp]

Just do what I do and only fight WoF with water walking potions

[lyric vortex]

600 contact not even on for the worthy

[gloomy grove]

rune wizard was made with whimsy and hate

[blazing field]

i know i just gassed up how people underestimate your merit at game deisgn just a little ago

[brittle escarp]

No bridge to burn

[blazing field]

but please bro why did you need to make lava slimes spawn lava when they die bro

[grave rock]

yeah thats their master contact

[blazing field]

you ddint have to do that bro come on

[brittle escarp]

thats so funny

[trim moat]

i think the bats in terraria r kind of cute

[lyric vortex]

At least assuming you have like ANY defense you won't die in one hit all life fruitted up

[grave rock]

no way at least a couple hardcore runs didnt die to the legendary rune wizard telefrag

[trim moat]

i would pet them

[blazing field]

bats generally are kind of cute in general imo

irl bats are pretty cdute ppl r just haters

[trim moat]

well thats true

[open garden]

had to go to brimstone slags weaponless for a challenge run and i ended up making like 5 beds because a group of hell bats would spawn and kill me every time i got close

[grave rock]

p sure in early hardmode where ur most likely to encounter rune wizard

u just die

like

you just die

[brittle escarp]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/e1/69/1fe169317dea73f73d2a792eae7cdc27.gif The rune wizard winding up to just obliterate you

[blazing field]

thanks man

[brittle escarp]

oh it didn't image

[blazing field]

Burrower

[brittle escarp]

cringe

[rancid pagoda]

lava slime drops money too but oops it all got eaten up by the lava it also dropped

[brittle escarp]

Just pretend I showed something funny

[pure maple]

They're like rats with wings (positive, pet rats are goddamn adorable)

[grave rock]

see if i was redigit

[lyric vortex]

Honestly yeah because even with a 1:1 defense damage system, a full set of titanium won't save you

[grave rock]

my joke wouldnt be boulders

[trim moat]

if youve ever seen a fruit bat you have been blessed with natural fortune for 5,000,000 years

[grave rock]

my joke would be rune wizard telefrag

[brittle escarp]

Maybe this time

there we go

[grave rock]

i would run tht shit into the ground

[trim moat]

same thing with a jumping spider

[brittle escarp]

Also inchworms

they are so silly

[gentle torrent]

whats everyones go to class for this 2.1 run? Ive made everything in the past but normally run a ranger cause of the schtick that the higher the power system the funnier it is when you beat it with a gun

[grave rock]

im multiclassin

[gloomy grove]

i think rune wizard should have an intentional 1/2000 chance to teleport right ontop of the player

[open garden]

spiders and bugs are adorable i hate how people get so violent about them

[brittle escarp]

I love ranger this update

[gentle torrent]

hell yeah

[grave rock]

nothing rly set in stone mostly just like "what got the most love in this stage of the game"

[open garden]

multiclassing is always fun

[brittle escarp]

all but like 10 of my runs ever have been ranger, and I can confidently say it is in by far the best place it ever has been

[trim moat]

listen up snowflakes. you may think you know everything. but have you heard of: roly poly that loves you

checkmate

[gloomy grove]

i love my auger but its hit detection is so fucking ass 🥀

[lyric vortex]

Anyways @grave rock imma go hop on FL it was nice chatting

[grave rock]

aye take care

[open garden]

highkey you can multiclass until like exo mechs without much issue at all

[brittle escarp]

Ranger finally has sauce and an identity that isn't "worse mage" for the first time like ever

[grave rock]

post exos multiclassing gets so spicy

[brittle escarp]

Daawnlight Spirit Origin especially

[grave rock]

i wish gem tech got more time to shine

[brittle escarp]

Peak change

[brittle escarp]

isnt it worse than both Auric and Shadowspec

like whats the niche

[still bluff]

multiclassing

it can do silly things it's just obtuse as all hell

[open garden]

there should be a mixed auric helmet so i don’t have to pick a class for post-yharon

[brittle escarp]

But accessories aren't really condusive to that

[grave rock]

tbf u dont rly need

classed accessories

esp w gemtech on

[brittle escarp]

Except Main Class + Random summon thrown in for no reason

[open garden]

there’s so many global accessories that people overlook im running yharim’s gift and dark sun ring for scal

[pure maple]

no reason

The summon is there for hype moments and aura, trust

[grave rock]

mod that does nothing except give tim stupid contact damage

[brittle escarp]

I am a dark sun ring hater. Love Yharim's gift, Love the polterghast one, I just think darksun is bad

[gentle torrent]

Alright gonna spam that random seed button and see what happens

[open garden]

dark sun ring is awesome because it lets me have all 5 mirror weapons without being full summoner

[brittle escarp]

I normally run all but 1-2 classless accessories upon further consideration

[brittle escarp]

I normally try to not run summons + my main because it makes it easier lol

Maybe if I do FTW

then I need the hype squad

The only exception is the desert scourge one. I use that +15 defence the whole game

2 extra ironskin potions

[open garden]

i just have summons because i’ve been multiclassed all game and only just took off the omega blue set 💔

[brittle escarp]

Real

the mollusk set is also shockingly strong

I used it pre-brainstorm on my death master run that I actually gave up on exo mechs

But now master death is not awful

its great

[open garden]

i like being fast too much for mollusk armor i just used crystal assassin until post-plantera lol

[brittle escarp]

Really? Crystal assassin is kinda bad defense and damage. I find it worse than any of the ore armors personally

I do Palladium -> Mithril -> Adamantium -> Chlorophyte

Maybe do reaver or shroomite after that

Also, then Halo themed ranger armor is so good

[grave rock]

it frees up an accessory slot

[brittle escarp]

I finally don't have to use plague armor and get one-tapped

[grave rock]

on ur dash

[brittle escarp]

But the dash isnt a ram

no i-frames

[grave rock]

a pretty good dash at that

[brittle escarp]

You just get hit if you dash

[grave rock]

y

yeaah?

[brittle escarp]

I only really use my dash to go through the boss if I am cornered honestly

Especially for destroyer

[open garden]

just checked the stats and wow this is worse than i thought it was lmao

[brittle escarp]

its not good

imo

[open garden]

yeah it seems bad idk how i used this for so long

[brittle escarp]

Mollusk is better, the ores are better, spider is better for summoner

[gentle torrent]

might run fargos just for the instahouses lmao

[brittle escarp]

Its so nice

and mini-boss spawners

thats all I really use it for

maybe a few crafting recipes here and there

[open garden]

had this shit on for cal clone lmaoo maybe i’m actually goated

[brittle escarp]

Bruh

you got like 30 defence and a dream

Also, hot take: I think Cal Clone is actually the easiest non-cryogen boss in HM and further

[gentle torrent]

naked copper shortsword run when

[gentle torrent]

idk ravager is a joke

[brittle escarp]

Its the only one with like no randomness so if you know how to fight it you can just win

[open garden]

hot take indeed

[brittle escarp]

Like I think its super fun and well designed, don't get me wrong

This is not advocacy to change it

I really like it

[open garden]

i’d say twins is easier but it’s definitely quite easy

[gentle torrent]

yes it is

you heard him devs

[spiral tree]

Hello!!!!!

[brittle escarp]

I hate the twins. They are always slightly faster than me no matter what I run

[gentle torrent]

make cal clone shadow clone juitsu 100 times and drop a nuke

[brittle escarp]

😔

[barren hollow]

Howdy

[brittle escarp]

I dislike them more than skeletron Prime

[open garden]

cal clone is a worm boss now sorry

[brittle escarp]

Dawg I also love wrom bosses

I run ranger

thats like the only thing I am good at

[spiral tree]

Haii hru

[brittle escarp]

Omg, I still remember when Astrum Deus was 12 dudes

Actual PTSD blast

0/10 fight

took me 2 weeks

and this was over the summer so that was like 6 hours a day

[open garden]

thank god it’s changed to a 4/10 fight 🙏

[brittle escarp]

I kinda like it now

5/10 personally

[barren hollow]

Me, I'm doing great. Just writing a guide for bard. Believe it or not kinda difficult. Lol

[brittle escarp]

a little boring but not just hell

[open garden]

true enough

[brittle escarp]

I wish he had cooler visuals

Like thematically he is super cool, and then he has like 2 attacks

[spiral tree]

Aweee that's so cool! I always wanted to try the bard class but it's kinda difficult to do progression by my self heh I'm really bad at it

[open garden]

every boss should be a variation of yharon in my humble opinion

[brittle escarp]

King slime on his way to turn me inside out

[barren hollow]

Understandable. My biggest roadblock is all the wiki's for bard kinda suck. So I basically have to test all the weapons with different combinations to find what's good. I do think I'm getting better at bard tho. Which is nice

[brittle escarp]

Honestly I still do this for calamity, even after like 40 runs of the same class

I dont think the guide normally actually has the best stuff

Also it gives me an excuse to farm things I need later

[spiral tree]

That's amazing c: hope u can get to finish it soonnnn

[gentle torrent]

welcome to my prison i mean hotel

[open garden]

yeah often i find the wiki progression guide has a bunch of weapons that i just don’t fw so i end up crafting every weapon in the tier lol

[brittle escarp]

Peak design. The arms dealer and truffle get their own homes

everyone else goes in "The Slab" tm

[open garden]

i think i just like the grind atp

[brittle escarp]

same

[barren hollow]

Hahaha, no. Absolutely not. I'm 14 hours in and I'm at eye of cuthulu. Tbf that's entirely my fault for being skill issued without a dash but I can't imagine the rest of the playthrough being any quicker.

[brittle escarp]

and even still, a run takes like 20 hours

I don't have a frame of reference for that tho

I think I normally range from 16-22

[spiral tree]

Well u will get better little by little just take ur time and don't overwhelm ur self

[gentle torrent]

personal preferance or mechanic?

[brittle escarp]

Honestly slower playthroughs are the best

[brittle escarp]

Truffle because he goes in space, and arms dealer because the guns are too expensive lol

[gentle torrent]

brother enjoy it

[open garden]

my playthrough are generally closer to 50 hours i think? i haven’t checked though tbh

[brittle escarp]

I need to start giving the goblin tinkerer his own house, but I mostly don't out of spite

3 platinum for a reforge is criminal tho

and the new modifiers make it so much harder to get Lucky

[spiral tree]

My playthrough are always 20-30 hours

[high scaffold]

You npcs will get very unhappy and youll have to overpay

[gentle torrent]

Most of my runs take me about 60ish hours of playing depending if i item transfered shit from other characters

[radiant sparrow]

My last playthrough was 39 hours

[open garden]

i did make a giant perfect circle of iron bricks before killing a single boss so that might have added some time to the world

[spiral tree]

But now the one I'm in has been taking me longer since I'm playing with an addon 37 hours at pre cultist

[gentle torrent]

Eh money isnt an issue late game

[barren hollow]

Depends on what I'm playing. Mage i can get through in about 18 hours on infernum. Melee is a little bit longer. Ranger I think it's closer to 40. I haven't actually played bard or healer before so it's much harder to progress. Along with the wiki thing I'm in for the long haul. My guess is 50-60 hours

[radiant sparrow]

But with how death mode is going it's gonna be fucking 70 hours trust

I've only killed two bosses bro

35 attemps for eoc. It's just the last phase that fucks me

[gentle torrent]

im debating on the ranger or summoner run tbh, i dont think ive ever finished a full summon run

ranger cause gun and summoner cause spam

[brittle escarp]

How would you rate each class? Last patch I wouldve done Mage>Summoner>Melee>Ranger>Rogue, but now I think I would say Summoner>Melee>Mage>Ranger>Rogue

[high scaffold]

An insane skill issue honestly

[spiral tree]

I'm mostly 20-30 hours with all classes but now I'm playing t-melee and Im 38 hours in pre cultist

[brittle escarp]

What gear/class are you running?

[brittle escarp]

is it that bad?

Pre brainstorm I did it in 22 I think

[gentle torrent]

rouge is really fun if you can dodge and wait out stealth attacks

[radiant sparrow]

Ik right, but for rev it took only 8 attempts for scal and like 12 for exo mechs

[spiral tree]

I'm playing masochist-

[brittle escarp]

Oh

I see

[brave panther]

anyone having the same issue of not being able to use desert fossil on extractinator?

[barren hollow]

That's kinda exactly what I'd rate them tbh. Although I am biased towards mage

[brittle escarp]

Mage was so cracked and I don't think it got weaker. Summoner and Melee just got huge buffs

[spiral tree]

For Mii Ranger it's My favourite

[radiant sparrow]

I'm just doing stupid shit and not doing the dashes when the eye is vertical with you

[brittle escarp]

Also, ranger, despite being super buffed in this update, is still not top 3 because I think it was that much weaker pre brainstorm

it was like kinda crazy how much worse it was at most major points lol

[radiant sparrow]

I haven't gotten the rhythm down because I'm focusing on the little pathetic eye goons while trying to not get chomped by eoc

I'll get it soon trust

[brittle escarp]

It was like Mage>=Summoner>>Melee>>Ranger>Rogue

[brittle escarp]

wait what class

For ranger, unholy arrows clear out all the goons really well

[spiral tree]

Jesters too right?

[brittle escarp]

Yeah, but they just do less damage per shot

[spiral tree]

Oh ya true

[brittle escarp]

And the pierce cap on unholy arrows like never matters

[barren hollow]

I'm waiting to play ranger. The modpack I'm playing it's the least balanced right now with wild swings from good to bad. Partially calamitys fault but still. It also just doesn't interest me as a concept.

[brittle escarp]

Fair. This update, the switched ranger from basic gun and bow to cits and charge weapons

[radiant sparrow]

Rogue, but it's not like I can't kill the little goons, it's just that during the last phase it's really hard to change my attention to them when he's doing the two dashes then the string of consecutive dashes

[brittle escarp]

it is so much cooler

[radiant sparrow]

I got him to like 400 HP and died because I got knocked back by a goon

[brittle escarp]

Fair. If you want, I would suggest running the desert scourge summon for extra defence, and a little orbiting star for knockback

[radiant sparrow]

That's what I have yeah

[brittle escarp]

Hm. The marble and granite accessories are also goated if you can find them

I use the marble one until like Moon Lord

[radiant sparrow]

Also with rage + adrenaline+ stealth strike on one of the weapons does like half it's hp but it's not consistent

[brittle escarp]

its so unbelievably strong

[radiant sparrow]

Are the shrines are guaranteed spawn?

[barren nacelle]

I like Vega

[brittle escarp]

Also, placing spiky balls pre-fight helps with the goons

[brittle escarp]

yes

but no indicator of where

[radiant sparrow]

Okay I'll go look

[brittle escarp]

its one chest on the whole world

There is a shrine tho

[radiant sparrow]

My problem is just the very last phase and that's it really

[brittle escarp]

I used pre-nerf onyx excavator, and it took me like 2-4 hours to find them still

I jsut got really really lucky this run

Luxor's gift is also still good I think and a lot easier to find

[radiant sparrow]

Like It took me a couple goes for scourge but now that mf is food to me

[brittle escarp]

Magiluminesence is good too

[radiant sparrow]

It'll be the same for eoc

[brittle escarp]

Side note, does anyone know why the demon bow and crimson version are worse than the platinum one despite being a tier higher?

They nerfed it in the Draedon update and I cannot for the life of me figure out why

[spiral tree]

U could use terramap if u want to check where the marble altar is at ig

[brittle escarp]

They are just objectively worse for some reason

[brittle escarp]

Oh true

Also, the shimmer shrine is a godsend

like an hour or two saved for every playthrough

Incredible change

[spiral tree]

Bro I swear I didn't know that thing was the shimmer location

So I was looking for shimmer for like

40 minutes

Till I readed someone saying it's right below that structure

[brittle escarp]

I thought it was, dug down for ages, didn't find anything, gave up, asked someone here, they told me it was, went back and found it

yeah

I was like 100 blocks above it

[spiral tree]

I'm glad they added it icl

[brittle escarp]

I even tried digging diagonally downward to match the roof's slope

[spiral tree]

It was like one of the only reasons I used terramap

[brittle escarp]

Have any of oyu used the Ontlogical Despoiler yet?

With a super crit-> arc nova lightning crit I got it to hit for 300k without rage or adrenaline

funniest thing ever

3 shot polterghast

Its a super super low chance all that happens tho, and super long charge time (multiple seconds) per shot

Might be my favorite weapon rn

[spiral tree]

That sounds fun

[fierce hearth]

Rage + adren igneous alt fire does half of aqua scourge's hp

[gentle torrent]

the fact that slimes are giving me a hard time is a good sign

[radiant sparrow]

Are you apart of 28 awsome bugs

[verbal pike]

So asgard shield sucks now huh

[radiant sparrow]

No

[verbal pike]

I mean compared to how it was

[radiant sparrow]

I mean yeah but like just don't get debuffed

[open garden]

not really

defence was lowered to be in line with everything else that was nerfed

[verbal pike]

I mean yes really, it doesn't give the immunes no mo

[open garden]

and immunities never really mattered

[verbal pike]

huh

how so?

[open garden]

what relevant enemies actually inflict the debuffs it would circumvent

ankh immunities are nice for like plantera and the post-plant dungeon and that’s about it

[pure maple]

They are a comfortable but not technically mandatory thing to have

[twilit forge]

What is mandatory is the ram dash in itself

I never got the fuss about the removal of the ankh charm

Thr accessory still has like 95% of its sauce

[spark kiln]

lol no

still the best dash at that point

ankh shield was only there to make you feel better

it doesn’t do anything

[high scaffold]

Cant wait for armor reworks

For them to go away from 5 helmet formula

[radiant sparrow]

All the resprites look fucking amazing aswell

[high scaffold]

All calamity armors with 5 helmets besides auric will go away from it and it makes me happy

[teal bone]

the qol restored addon adds it back if you want but yeah its not in base calamity

[blazing field]

Sagitarriod

[cunning sequoia]

Sagitariod

[blazing field]

Oh i typed it wrong

Both of us did actually

It's Sagittariod

[cunning sequoia]

i did it on purpose

[brittle escarp]

wait what will it become? More like shadowspec?

[blazing field]

I didn't do it on purpose :(

[cunning sequoia]

tupid

[finite zealot]

What is this mod called? the one that tells you boss attempts

[distant raft]

nycro's nohit efficiency

[distant raft]

shadowspec is getting 3 heads

[finite zealot]

ty

[rugged cloak]

i found new evil tabi dash storage tech

[distant raft]

once the yharing happens

[brittle escarp]

Like reaver?

[distant raft]

a mage/summoner head, a melee head, and a ranger/rogue head iirc

[brittle escarp]

?

[distant raft]

i forget the 2 class of the melee ranger and rouge

[brittle escarp]

why combine 5 into 3, or make 1 into 3?

[distant raft]

so that you dont get stealth, mana conservation, minion slots, and melee speed all on the same helmet

dont cite gem tech thats a donor item it doesn't count

[brittle escarp]

But why would mage get the extra benefit of summons while ranger and rogue gain nothing from the other?

[distant raft]

something something canon scal

[brittle escarp]

oh, thats funny

[distant raft]

lemme try and find the armour thing

[brittle escarp]

i actually really like that

[rugged cloak]

this is true

[distant raft]

actually

@lapis oak youve got the fuckin armour wip graphic right

now we wait

[brittle escarp]

If you don't mind me asking, how did you get the multicolor nametag?

it looks cool

[distant raft]

donating to the patreon

[brittle escarp]

Fair

[rugged cloak]

spend your money

[distant raft]

this specific colour is for 20-49.99 usd per month

[brittle escarp]

Dawg I'm broke

[teal bone]

woah!

[brittle escarp]

I got college to pay for

[rugged cloak]

THATS WHAT I SAID

[teal bone]

surprised that flew under our radar wow

[rugged cloak]

its so funny please keep it

we can now save an accessory slot for literally no reason because basekit dash still kinda sucks

[brittle escarp]

I tried playing vanilla with one of my friends who is new to terraria without the calmity movement speed buffs and dash. It was actually agony. It felt like crawling

[rugged cloak]

i can never play vanilla now for this exact reason

[brittle escarp]

Its painful

Vanilla is just so slow in general

I need enough to be happening that there is no chance a thought forms

Its why risk of rain is also awesome