calamity-update-talk

[dusk bronze]

ask the loreheads

[stiff hinge]

a good chunk of items got removed

[dusk bronze]

removed

no longer in the mod

[loud needle]

like from the game? or like, on accident

ohhh

[granite osprey]

also FOURTY FIVE MINUTE DESERT SCOURGE FIGHT

[loud needle]

thanks, that was a quick answer, much appreciated!

[modern rampart]

new update. no more trapper bulb

[frail tapir]

[granite osprey]

I am regretting so much here

why did desert scourge pull a 2020 dog

[frail tapir]

[idle depot]

I'm betting the Murasama Rework in the suken sea update

[frail tapir]

because it kinda is?

[old laurel]

whats the best mage weapon for plantera rn

[idle depot]

hey is the murasama rework can be usable in post-moonlord instead of post-Devourer?

[versed heart]

I think that's the plan? With several unique buffs after certain bosses

[dull heart]

murasama rework will include swinging the sword

why did you reply discord aghhh

[pseudo vector]

murasama will be a sword that kills things

[deft lily]

wrong
because im deleting the murasama from existence (the good ending)

this is true because i said so

[dull heart]

i could make that false

[old laurel]

so sso is gonna release along with tmod 1.4.5?

[dull heart]

murasama now leaves any enemy at 1hp

[dull heart]

sso is not neccessarily the next update

[old laurel]

ohhh alr

[pseudo vector]

murasama just gives every enemy the sturdy ability from pokemon

or focus sash or whatever

[dull heart]

murasama heals enemies and kills the player

[old laurel]

js remove the murasama

[deft lily]

i am on a quest to become the #1 murasama hater

[old laurel]

murasama has a chance every swing to slip out of your hand and kill you

[pine hawk]

Murasama kills enemy and kill player at the same time

[rich ginkgo]

not possible because i am

also i still think murasama should be renamed

goodbye lame ass reference item number 213!

[deft lily]

exploding you in 5

[old laurel]

I rlly hope murasama actually becomes good

I never use it

I hate using it

[rich ginkgo]

it should be removed from the game actually

it’s a good weapon it’s just

ew

[deft lily]

i hate how its fucking martyred by certain people who aren't exactly the most rational to be around

[old laurel]

It should js be re sprited, reworked, and put in a diff part of progression

[hasty tangle]

sadly all that would do is spike cal overhaul's popularity

[rich ginkgo]

sue cal overhaul for stealing assets or something idk

then remove it

[hasty tangle]

cuz we all know it would readd it in a heartbeat

[old laurel]

we all hate cal overhaul

[hasty tangle]

all that would do is piss off its fanboys

[rich ginkgo]

good

lol

even better

[hasty tangle]

and make cal look tyrannical

[deft lily]

ok then
that is, assuming in the affirmative that cal overhaul is already wiped off the planet

[hasty tangle]

you realize they would swarm this server right?

[rich ginkgo]

well

[hasty tangle]

and direct more hate towards the devs than ever before in the mod's history

[unique linden]

what would people say the best way to obtain potions are in this mod?

[rich ginkgo]

we’ll just rename it and rework it and resprite it and reclass it

how’s that

[unique linden]

just classic herb farm?

[rich ginkgo]

also retier it

[deft lily]

dawg im ngl most of the time when cal is mentioned outside of any cal server its almost never positive

[rich ginkgo]

that’s also very true

[deft lily]

to the point where its just kind of grating

[rich ginkgo]

like reddit exists

[old laurel]

As long as calamity is a good mod Idc what people say

[hasty tangle]

i dont really see it that much im ngl

[rich ginkgo]

there’s entire platforms that just absolutely hate cal so i dont think a bunch of dorky fanboys whining about murasama being removed would matter

[old laurel]

Murasama def shouldnt be removed

[hasty tangle]

i know you see the world through shit-tinted glasses but things arent that bad

[deft lily]

idrc whether ppl like the mod or not i just think its weird to have a burning hatred for a terraria mod of all things

you can still dislike something and not be a grating asshat abt it is the way i see it

[rich ginkgo]

it was a joke statement this conversation is hypothetical

[old laurel]

Murasama is too deeply rooted into this mod to be removed

[tropic jolt]

calamity became the big popular terraria mod and everyone knows its cool to hate whats big and popular

[hasty tangle]

ive had plenty of positive cal conversations outside of this server/terraria servers

[rich ginkgo]

murasama obviously isnt ever being removed

but id appreciate a renaming

just to disconnect it from the original reference

[deft lily]

im not saying its all negative but ive definitely seen some uh
interesting convos

[hasty tangle]

there will always be "some"

"some" is meaningless

[deft lily]

in the bigger picture yeah

[hasty tangle]

anyway, its still not a good look for the mod if it starts taking down other mods

especially one as popular as cal overhaul

even if its for a good reason

it really should have just been shot dead as soon as the stolen code stuff was discovered

[rich ginkgo]

it’s not really a good look to steal code and assets from other mods either what’s your point

[lean reef]

what's the issue with murasama being a reference?

[hasty tangle]

it shouldnt have been given a second chance

[hasty tangle]

the kind of people it attracts

[deft lily]

fabsol

[old laurel]

I really dont get the love for murasama

[lean reef]

those both feel like nothingburger statements to me

[tropic jolt]

its just kind of annoying that the mods most iconic weapon is from another game

[rich ginkgo]

well my issue with it is that it’s known as the most iconic cal weapon when it definitely does not deserve that spot considering its concept is owned and was created by another game

[old laurel]

theres so many better options for weapons post dog

[deft lily]

omg the 3921949th metal gewar reference in calamity!!1!!!

[old laurel]

irdc ab it being a ref

[rich ginkgo]

it also just steals the spotlight from a lot of other amazingly designed weapons

for like.. what

“OMG COOL ENERGY KATANA” like dude

really

[gloomy grove]

wished it was never in the mod to begin with tbh

[deft lily]

the only reason i care is bc the reference was made by the horse himself

[tropic jolt]

I do wonder, without fabsol would a different weapon have gotten the developer variants?

[sudden cairn]

oh wait hold on lemme beat dog first so i can unsheathe a cool katana!!!

[old laurel]

mage hammer of might variants would be awesone

[rich ginkgo]

probably not

[old laurel]

instead of murasama

like a blue or red one

[hasty tangle]

i wish that too, but hindsight is 20/20 and i dont think its fair to say it was a bad decision at the time

[deft lily]

who knows

[rich ginkgo]

because it was dia who wanted to do those along with the murasama rework

[arctic cliff]

someone honesty should call out caloverhaul in a video

[rich ginkgo]

unless fab like paid dia to rework murasama too

[lean reef]

I don't get the issue with having references to other games

[rich ginkgo]

like with yharon

did he do that

[tropic jolt]

gp is planning on it I think

[old laurel]

we should start a petition to add mage hammer of might dev skins

[young notch]

when i purposefully spread misinformation on the internet

[deft lily]

absolute cinema

[rich ginkgo]

exoblade skins

[hasty tangle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225030931008847874/1447017361885499603/Cal_Overhaul_V3.png

[tropic jolt]

?

[hasty tangle]

one day...

[young notch]

Oh okay

[arctic cliff]

the Ark of the Cosmos deserves this more

[young notch]

I was wrong

impossible,,,,,,

[rich ginkgo]

it’s PEAK

[old laurel]

nah I feel like exoblade lowk isnt iconic enough

[sudden cairn]

THE CALAMITY OVERHAUL MOD IS TRASH... (WORSE THAN YOU KNOW WHO????)

[deft lily]

this would be the best video on cal trust

[gloomy grove]

definitely wasnt yeah

[old laurel]

Everyone knows mage hammer

[lean reef]

I'm still waiting for the day I can have a working multiplayer playthrough

[tropic jolt]

the main problem with dev variants is its a lot harder to make a bunch of them when the weapon isnt primarily one color

[rich ginkgo]

exoblade is a billion times more popular/iconic than mage hammer wdym

[old laurel]

cappp

[young notch]

Anyways this would be huge cuz it's always YT that glazes Overhaul. Would be fun to challenge that on the very same platform.

[rich ginkgo]

-10000 subs

[hasty tangle]

as much as i want to make this video, i know if i want it to actually be effective, it needs to be very well researched and well written, with high production effort

more than any video ive made before

[rich ginkgo]

-20000, even

[lean reef]

eh

[deft lily]

billions of john cal fans must post cal overhaul hate videos

[lean reef]

I've never heard of that mod before

[tropic jolt]

you're definitely capable of it

[hasty tangle]

maybe

[lean reef]

I wonder how many people have

[young notch]

It's def an undertaking

[hasty tangle]

if i ever do make it though, its not coming any time soon

[young notch]

but it's worth giving a shot

[arctic cliff]

you could collab with someone else if that's daunting enough

[hasty tangle]

and I would probably talk to a lot of ppl about it to put together the script

this is one video idea that i would happily have stolen from me

[deft lily]

spends 2+ years researching, scripting, editing, etc
cal overhaul gets deleted somewhere at the end of that time frame

all work wasted

[rich ginkgo]

won but at what cost lmao

[tropic jolt]

[hasty tangle]

cuz i really dont want to do it, but i feel like i have to

[gloomy grove]

that would be a W

[tropic jolt]

I don't think you have to

[deft lily]

if you dont do it someone will eventually lol

[gloomy grove]

i hope jay leaves infernum behind in 1.4.4 🙏 🙏

[deft lily]

suprirsed it hasn't happened yet actually

[old laurel]

Mage weapons rlly dont get any dev skin love

they arent even in the conversation usually

[hasty tangle]

cal overhaul has wormed its way into this community's heart, and i dont see it being dislodged in any way other than it losing support directly from the fanbase

[lean reef]

you probably don't even need to script a video trashing a mod for it to be effective

[hasty tangle]

i disagree

[lean reef]

especially if you're a trusted community figure

idk

[hasty tangle]

idk how trusted i really am

[lean reef]

I've never heard of cal overhaul

[young notch]

That's exactly why it would need to be well researched

[gloomy grove]

it should be an objective video anyways

[granite sapphire]

New shpc is... Something

[deft lily]

i disagree bc ppl will then say "this guys is just starting drama for no reason" cuz it makes it look like he'd just be ranting and what not

without a script

[gloomy grove]

^

[granite sapphire]

Its a weapon alright

[gloomy grove]

if youre gonna bring up how bad the mod is why would you just start spewing things without research

[tropic jolt]

every day people come here asking about issues with their game and its entirely too often that the cause is calamity overhaul

[lean reef]

I feel like calamity community sometimes takes things (including itself) way too seriously

[deft lily]

it does

[sudden cairn]

good point for the vid

[tropic jolt]

but yes the calamity overhaul hate is exaggerated here a bit

[lean reef]

yeah but a discord isn't necessarily a representative sample of an overall communitg

I feel like the majority of people don't gaf

[hasty tangle]

some stuff is definitely hearsay, which would make research even harder

[lean reef]

or don't know what it is

[pulsar cobalt]

idk man someone ranted about a certain mods update a couple months ago and literally nothing happened to them

[lean reef]

but this could be me projecting my own personal experience too

[pulsar cobalt]

so

[hasty tangle]

like the world corruption thing, for example. I don't think its actively been a thing that cal overhaul has been known to do for a very long time

[sudden cairn]

maybe

[deft lily]

a lot of ppl tend to blow out of proportion how toxic the cal community actually is and they try and use old ass inconsequential drama as evidence of that (most of these ppl have never actually interacted with any part of the cal community)

[tropic jolt]

the majority find the mod through youtubers showing off the cool reworks and try it without realizing its problems

[gloomy grove]

has the team behind overhaul ever addressed that

[lean reef]

idk dude

[hasty tangle]

thats the other thing, i dont know

[lean reef]

this felt like a "takes itself too seriously" moment to me

[dusk bronze]

i swear someone said it happened to them last month

[dull heart]

idk the reddit is kinda bad

[tropic jolt]

at a first glance it looks like the perfect mod for all your murasama wielding dreams

[deft lily]

freak ass weirdos will exist in any community. at the end of the day, your experience is what you want to make of it

[hasty tangle]

do we know for certain that it was the cause though

[old laurel]

ay man I js stated my opinion on a weapon respectfully and calmly

[lean reef]

you're fine

[sudden cairn]

the unsheathe thing seems to unnecessary tbh

[gloomy grove]

but the reddit is abit extreme

[dull heart]

imo murasama is fine overall but I'd like to rename it

[deft lily]

and also the cal reddit is NOT the majority of the cal community. i can tell you that much lol

[old laurel]

arent you guys retiering it too?

[deft lily]

neither is cal main tbh or any cal related discord server

[lean reef]

I feel like calamity is the hype moments relatively middling substance mod

[old laurel]

or is that a rumor

[gloomy grove]

again but it is a loud part of the community

[dull heart]

idk

[tropic jolt]

putting it at post moon lord and having it scale through the rest of the game is what ive heard but honestly who knows

[dull heart]

it's getting better substance though

Burrower my beloved

[hasty tangle]

they get over things eventually

[old laurel]

best idea ever

[hasty tangle]

even if they are very whiny in the process

[lean reef]

I'm also in a strong minority of thinking terraria as a whole is kinda lame

[worldly trench]

ah that'd do it

[lean reef]

(and has been degraded with updates)

[deft lily]

most of the time yeah
but...

kid named dm dokuro:

[old laurel]

why are you playing it😭

[lean reef]

it was fun for a time

[gloomy grove]

well thats a first

[lean reef]

calamity was cool

[dull heart]

I actually agree with this

[sudden cairn]

bud why are you here

[dull heart]

That's literally why roots exists

[arctic cliff]

shhhhh

[old laurel]

well I mean you dont gotta keep playing if you dont want to

[dull heart]

however I don't think it's lame now, just it was better before in a lot of ways

[lean reef]

1.4 "the final update" (just kidding) "hey we content bloated the game!!!"

[arctic cliff]

let him cook

[radiant sparrow]

DOG IS DEAD. KUS MAGGOT

[lean reef]

calamity was rad! I liked it

[radiant sparrow]

really was not that hard in rev mode ngl

[void dome]

Since 2.1.1 came out does anyone have issues joining multiplayer worlds?

[old laurel]

I do agree that base terraria really didnt need anymore updates

[fathom girder]

the gun no one uses wow...

[gloomy grove]

havent had any personally

[tropic jolt]

five hundred crossovers !

[old laurel]

but they js went on and kept doing it

[sudden cairn]

kinda agree

it felt complete

[old laurel]

Crossover slop

[worldly trench]

I would have been okay with 1.4 being the final version but i will admit the new stuff does add a fair amount that i love

[gloomy grove]

terraria 1.6 should be a complete rewrite of the game

[old laurel]

And weapons we never really needed

[radiant sparrow]

hows the dog summon? any worth in it over sirus?

[deft lily]

the final final final final final final update

[young notch]

I can understand how Terraria has gotten worse in some aspects but I do think the game is overall better than it was a long time ago

[lean reef]

I feel like everyone says "wow they keep updating the game because they love it! :)" while not noticing relogic has failed every other project they've tried to make

[deft lily]

[tropic jolt]

shimmer 😻

[lean reef]

the calamity mod was better when I was younger and more impressionable

[arctic cliff]

elaborate

[young notch]

You don't need to change much to make it even better again

[dull heart]

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the mod Roots I've been working on actually

[old laurel]

what is roots?

[dull heart]

Roots is a mod that seeks to re-imagine the Terraria experience by building on core concepts from older versions of Terraria that were lost in the modern game into a new, modernized experience.

Roots does not add any new content of it's own, but greatly adjusts vanilla terraria content. It currently makes changes to 33 armor sets, 19 accessories, 17 weapons, 4 enemies, two bosses, and multiple core mechanics.
All changes are adjustable in configs.
These changes fall under these sweeping changes:
- Removal of class-specific damage, and rebalancing of all gear to match
- Review and adjustments of all weapons to fit into a more tightly-planned weapon design philosophy
- Changes to the Mana system to be a more valuable resource
- Adjusting enemy and boss AI to be more unique, interesting, and purposeful
- Removing natural life regeneration, but increasing the value of Healing Potions

[old laurel]

like whats in it

[deft lily]

calamity mod was better when i was young and didnt have enough emotional maturity to form my own opinions and instead followed what everyone else's opinions were

[rich ginkgo]

text wall in chat mods ban him

[tropic jolt]

[lean reef]

maybe I'm still spiteful about how much of a shit on the concept of good game design mastermode was

[dull heart]

Cal was better when I didn't realize the wiki theme is ugly

[arctic cliff]

the only other project ive heard relogic work on was otherworld. you could say that did fail, but yeah

[gloomy grove]

mods, smash his cranium

[old laurel]

I feel like im the only one that still rlly likes calamity

[tropic jolt]

calamity was better when scal was a big floating eye and had ten million health and every weapon did millions of damage

[deft lily]

but, still
explode

[old laurel]

maybe im the minority

[tropic jolt]

definitely not

[lean reef]

honestly though? my perhaps #1 annoyance with current calamity?

[dull heart]

I wanna make a better wiki theme

[deft lily]

BURROWER WIKI THEME

[rich ginkgo]

please do that

please

[lean reef]

calamity was better when it utilized its music more effectively

[rich ginkgo]

ill pay you

[old laurel]

definitly in this chat

[rich ginkgo]

ill buy auric tier

im deadass

ill do it rn

[deft lily]

doze make a burrower wiki theme trust

[lean reef]

the way the yharon and dog phase changes were modified over the years is a travesty

[old laurel]

I'll pay someone to make updated class guides

[tropic jolt]

people here might be a bit jaded because a great number of us have played 500 hours of calamity and enjoyed all the good parts while noticing everything bad over time

[lean reef]

to just not work with the music at all

[tropic jolt]

definitely some truth to this

[old laurel]

I have like 550 hrs recorded and def miss pre upd death but I still like the new update

[lean reef]

also dokuro's interludes getting added to the game finally but just... playing at the wrong time???

[tropic jolt]

if yharons rework doesnt bring back his healing with the music transition we RIOT!

[worldly trench]

I do like calamity as a whole even overall. Personally i dislike the seemingly endless number of reworks/adjustments in the days ahead rather than making progress towards finishing the pack and working from there. as i think it'd be fair easier to adjust and balance things as a whole if it was complete first.

[lean reef]

also this definitely might be a younger vs older thing but when me and my friends first did calamity beating rev DoG for the first time took hours of practice and now we did it deathmode like first try

[tropic jolt]

even if we don't want to admit it I think a lot of us feel like this on some level

[dull heart]

do you like the new scal arena then

[lean reef]

haven't seen it actually

[dull heart]

you'll probably like it a lot

[old laurel]

I must say you guys rlly cooked on the cal clone fight

[lean reef]

I'm referring to the phase changes from a cinematic perspective

[sudden cairn]

isnt it a square

[lean reef]

and how they don't use the music

[worldly trench]

can i see a picture of the arena?

[old laurel]

The arena and visual changes for cal clone is rlly cool

[dull heart]

Yeah, scal arena does that

It changes color to match the music video of the song

[old laurel]

it also made the fight much more difficult

[lean reef]

like yharon just fades from infernal catharsis into roar now

[lean reef]

sick

[dull heart]

yeah yharon phase transition needs to come back

DoG phase transition is still good and music synced

[lean reef]

nice

[rich ginkgo]

yharon revive is still coming back right

[dull heart]

Although rip sentinels type D

[lean reef]

it wasn't last I checked

[rich ginkgo]

yharon reboot card

[dull heart]

It has been for years and years

[tropic jolt]

no way it doesn't...

[dull heart]

If you're lagging it might desync

[lean reef]

the death fakeout has been gone for a while I missed that

[rich ginkgo]

hopefully it does

[dull heart]

Yeah the death fakeout is gone

[old laurel]

CAN WE PLS GET A PROF GUARDIAN REWORK

[lean reef]

it obviously was a half health phase change

idk why that was removed

[dull heart]

Fabsol wanted all bosses to be more clear in information

I don't think dog needs a revive tbh

[spiral tree]

i like spiders

[dull heart]

It made sense with sentinel phase more than it does now

[lean reef]

well

[rich ginkgo]

i really want yharon to come back after a fakeout death and he’s just fucking completely engulfed in flames like an actual phoenix

[dull heart]

Yharon revive really really needs to come back though

[lean reef]

I liked sentinels too

or the music needs to be changed

[dull heart]

Like he's literally a rebirth Phoenix dragon

[old laurel]

Old duke should get a revive

[worldly trench]

why was the revive cut out? to buggy or?

[rich ginkgo]

like im imagining the new yharon sprite but it’s made out of fire

[spiral tree]

make 10 new yharon fights :genius:

[dull heart]

Thematically I did, mechanically it sucked

[lean reef]

I don't mind yharon not having the moon and eclipse phases though that was strange

[dull heart]

Yesh

[fathom girder]

I think yharon should randomly decide that I'm not worth fighting and run away so I can do the buffed events and THEN fight him using the dark sun ring so he doesn't run away

[dull heart]

That was kinda silly

[dull heart]

True actually

[fathom girder]

old calamity was such a strange time

[dull heart]

Scal should run away until you do blood moon

Once you finish sep2 she runs away

[gloomy grove]

mm

id love for mods to make use of layered music

[lean reef]

I really think the game should be willing to sacrifice some things for the sake of cinema

[gloomy grove]

like how celeste does theirs

[lean reef]

I think it's what draws a lot of people to modded terraria in the first place

[fathom girder]

that's when you get poorly designed bosses that just look cool

and it sucks ass and people hate it

[dull heart]

I definitely think gameplay 100% comes first

But that both can integrate together

like new dog laser walls especially in death phase 3

[gloomy grove]

if they attempt to retire dokuro's osts they might get thrown rocks at now that im thinkin about it

[lean reef]

the biggest thing for me is I still feel like the standard dokuro set has yet to be matched

[fathom girder]

REAL

[lean reef]

and that places a specter over my entire experience with the mod

[dull heart]

my favorite cal song is not a dokuro song actually

[fathom girder]

shit goes crazy and it's cool and hard and GUH

[dull heart]

It's abyss layer 3

[tropic jolt]

to be fair there hasn't been many opportunities for new tracks since then, at least in the main music mod

[lean reef]

I like abyss 3

[dull heart]

Hydrothermophobia is SO good

[worldly trench]

isn't exo mechs like the only non dukoro theme?

[fathom girder]

My fave is the Aether theme

[lean reef]

is exo mechs theme done?

[sudden cairn]

dont think so

[fathom girder]

got I love the aether theme

[worldly trench]

unless there were new ones i don't know about

[dull heart]

Like this is SUCH a vibe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1401755557534367876/1438334604959285398/abyss_darkness_demo.mp4?ex=698e797c&is=698d27fc&hm=3f55aef1fdca98a29023630a14da59e1de10843bae940d3b570f62ed4429db3e&

[old laurel]

Lowk a big upd of signus, stormweaver, void, and polterghast reworks would be so cool

ik it would take forever tho

[lean reef]

ok but

[tropic jolt]

abyss 1 and 3, draedon and exo mechs, boss rush themes, maybe sulfurous sea night

[gloomy grove]

these would fall under distortion update i think

[lean reef]

this is a remix of a dokuro theme

[dull heart]

No

[worldly trench]

abyss is pretty cool

[dull heart]

No

[gloomy grove]

especially ceaseless since hes the gateway to the distortion

[sudden cairn]

scary

[fathom girder]

the new darkness system makes it fit a lot better

[old laurel]

im ngl idk what that is

[lean reef]

like I feel like I'm yet to see someone really evolve on the musical ideas

[dull heart]

it does

[gloomy grove]

dog's crib

[dull heart]

have you heard the boss rush themes

[worldly trench]

we team up with infernum and use their sentinels

[lean reef]

rather than just yoink a motif or throw the calamity bells in it

[dull heart]

boss rush themes are very good

[lean reef]

bells

[old laurel]

is that a future upd?

[gloomy grove]

i think we also retire infernum

[lean relic]

DoG phase 1 -> sentinel bosses -> DoG phase 2
Yharon first battle; "You are not worthy" -> Yharon second battle -> fully heals and phase 2 after he reached 1%
Cal Clone but with Boss 2 music -> after reaching 70%, the background turns black, she heals back to full and starts Raw, Unfiltered Calamity track

[lean reef]

they're just the bells

[dull heart]

eh fair

[lean reef]

part of the issue is you can't really replicate someone else's style

[tropic jolt]

t2e please save us

[gloomy grove]

existing lore

[lean reef]

nor is it fair to expect someone to

the biggest example for me is ultrakill

[old laurel]

Can we get a prof guardian rework

their fight sucks so bad

[fathom girder]

Nah they're fine

[dull heart]

their fight is one of the better ones in cal

[fathom girder]

Fight em in the hallow

it's a well structured battle

[old laurel]

I hate them

[lean reef]

people write fan music for that game all the time but I feel like I've never heard a fan ultrakill song that could fit in the game

[sudden cairn]

imagine being overwhelmed by total darkness and high pressure level and then you hear a worm roaring and going at your location im shitting my pants ong

[fathom girder]

....yeah something like that

[lean relic]

They are fine
Old one was a lot worse

[lean reef]

anyway back to complaining about calamity...

[fathom girder]

anyone remember old malice profaned guardians?

hehehe

[tropic jolt]

the evil donuts from hell

[lean reef]

terraria, and by extension calamity, feels to me like it should be a multiplayer game

[fathom girder]

thankfully it can be

[lean reef]

I've tried

[tropic jolt]

you're never going to believe this...

[lean reef]

its a horrible experience

[fathom girder]

perhaps you were on bad servers

[lean reef]

boss aggro is a fucking nightmare

[old laurel]

I've literally never had problems with mp

[gloomy grove]

boss aggro is a mess

[lean reef]

the boss is off the screen of all but 1 player at all times

[tropic jolt]

multiplayer feels like it makes everything 10x more fun except the bosses

[lean reef]

and because terraria has diarrhea in the code somewhere the amount your game physically renders is fucking based on your monitor size

[gloomy grove]

because they arent designed with more than one player in mind

[lean reef]

so you can't even use a mod to zoom out without it derendering all the terrain

[gloomy grove]

which contributes to that

[gaunt relic]

i think it depends on like how many people

[gloomy grove]

with a group of 4, 3 would be standing still or chasing after the boss

[lean reef]

also the visual noise in multiplayer is hell

especially in modded

[worldly trench]

i wish bosses could be instanced so each player is fighting their own copy and the damage is just minused from a health pool. at least as an option. i wouldn't know how to best fix multi at all but something like that would be okay.

[gloomy grove]

horrible

[gray carbon]

will nucleosynthesis get new visuals eventually

[radiant flower]

yup but there are mods to only render your projectiles

[gray carbon]

considering its using elemental ray visuals currently

[gloomy grove]

doesnt solve the core issue

[sturdy stump]

who decided that multiple bosses needed to be locked to schematics?

[lean reef]

but seriously why the fuck is frames capped to 60 and the amount your game renders is BASED OFF THE PHYSICAL SIZE OF YOUR MONITOR, like not your resolution settings the ACTUAL SIZE

[radiant flower]

i think the worse experience is exo mechs multiplayer 💀

[gloomy grove]

ye olde game

[radiant flower]

exo mechs already barely comprehensible in singleplayer

[worldly trench]

isn't terraria still also only able to run single core?

[lean reef]

I would like someone to fix that shit and then design terraria bosses around multiplayer

[tropic jolt]

ares.png

[gloomy grove]

i kinda wish if relogic ever does a 1.5, it would be a rewrite of the engine

[dull heart]

New BoC was designed with multiplayer in mind!

It has some attacks that target multiple players

[lean reef]

terraria extremely gives off the vibe of something that would be best with friends and yet the experience is just blah

[gloomy grove]

and this is why we love BoC

[lean reef]

prehm is less vulnerable

[grave rock]

terraria with friends is so fun when ur not fighting bosses

[tropic jolt]

multiplayer empress of light is always an experience

[lean reef]

once the bosses and players get fast enough everyone except the melee player is forced to use boss cursor and homing for the rest of the game

[gaunt relic]

make that daytime EoL

[lean reef]

oh this was the other thing I hated about 1.4

daytime eol

[dire veldt]

i am a bit miffed that odd mushroom no longer gives a damage buff. Having to learn to play with the crazy effect to get a solid dmg buff was a fun risk reward but now its just a joke item and i dont see for what benefit?
I understand that it doesnt always work so the 'risk reward slider' was skewed to reward but why not nerf the dmg boost instead of outright removing it?

[grave rock]

in cal this largely remains the same but it leads to late HM and especially post ML to be a fucking snore in multiplayer

[old laurel]

I think old duke is pretty cool in mp

[radiant flower]

yeah late hm is just cycling between respawns and running at the boss until it dies in like 2 mins

[lean reef]

it's like they saw calamity and went "oh wow players like bullet hells and high difficulty" and just made it one-shot you with insane vomit projectiles

[old laurel]

since his fight is in a smaller space

and his attacks are widespread

[lean reef]

honestly I feel like relogic forgot how to design their own game somewhere down the line

[grave rock]

how does multiplayer old duke do? i dont like duke fishron already in mp cuz of the way his aggro works

[radiant flower]

erm the charge bosses (duke, old duke, yharon) i think are pretty okay in mp

[tropic jolt]

I mean yeah everyone loved it 😭

[lean reef]

shoutout torch luck

[worldly trench]

multiplayer just could use work or heck it wouldn't be as bad with a smoother connection my friend just can't do stuff to help much in hard mode.

[lean reef]

mastermode felt literally offensive to play through

[grave rock]

i dont like duke cuz like, he will target one person and wont stop til they die

[old laurel]

basically duke fishron but he launches lik huge attacks so you cant js off screen him

[lean reef]

I actually felt like I was being insulted

the easter egg seeds also feel crazy why are you locking so much content behind this goofy system

I guess I'm just a cynical terraria player in general

[old laurel]

I js dont think you like terraria dog

might js have to play a diff game

[halcyon seal]

Yeah and eol’s the best boss in vanilla terraria lol

[worldly trench]

at least the update is making the secret seed system better.

[grave rock]

genuinely? i think the largest drawback of cal not having much in the way of face tanking is that bosses like providence would be so much more fun in mp if she actually stuck to one place

[halcyon seal]

So ig it works

[grave rock]

ithink u can argue for fishron

[halcyon seal]

Fishron is def top 2

[old laurel]

I think fighting prov in her arena area is so fun on mp

[granite sapphire]

Post Plantera Mage Rework Opinion
5/10
Still very generic.
Flare Bolt is nice and Frigidflash is cool combining the differences
SHPC is a weapon for sure!
Death Valley Duster and Primordial Earth are nice
Vulcan is a magic gun alright!
Ion Blaster.

[halcyon seal]

Maybe better but I think sharknados make the fight worse than normal for me

[granite sapphire]

It's decent, mediocre as of now

[lean reef]

I liked calamity when they didn't try to be masters of game design and just made stuff sound and look neat

[granite sapphire]

But I do expect post anahita and golem to give it a shove

[grave rock]

i like duke fishron a lot
am i insane for saying. closest thing to infernum in base terraria

[halcyon seal]

Yeah most people like Fishron I think

[old laurel]

so you wanted a game with poorer quality?

[grave rock]

third phase is probably the highlight for me

[lean reef]

maybe I am just annoyed by terraria as a whole

[granite sapphire]

really?

[lean reef]

I wanted a game that wasn't pretending to be better quality than it was

[granite sapphire]

that's like the easiest part

[grave rock]

yeah! its easy! but its fun to get right

[gloomy grove]

your points are valid but i think its soured by your burnout/dislike for the kind of game terraria is now

[granite sapphire]

yeah I get what you mean

[grave rock]

being easy isnt mutually exclusive with it being fun yk

[granite sapphire]

I just like phase 2 because there's more going on

Phase 3 is pretty fun though

[meager elbow]

yo figured id ask here too, but this update broke my friends ability to join my world. any known conflicts?

[gloomy grove]

does it break with just calamity on

[grave rock]

esp cuz it doesnt rly feel like dumb fun like its a rly consistent phase but its also a very intense one

[granite sapphire]

"1"
"1 2"
"1 2 3"

I feel honestly a rhythm the moment that background changes

[shut ridge]

this is happening to me too

[granite sapphire]

And when you're pre mech it feels like a reward

[grave rock]

i love the rhythm

[meager elbow]

untested, but im halfway through a world so im scared to turn other mods off haha

[worldly trench]

this one is the one i agree with

[gloomy grove]

just gen a different one and test there

a small world

[granite sapphire]

I really like shield dashing comparably to the ninja gear on fishron

Feels more controllable

[grave rock]

oh using soc iframes on duke is satisfying

[lean reef]

that's an apt summary. I think I'm also annoyed by some of the elements of recent development, like this update took 2 years and 2 dev sex offender exilings and that's a lot to get through

[granite sapphire]

Those iframes carry

But also duke fishron just has a massive skill issue with featherfall

[grave rock]

what boss doesnt

tbf

[lean reef]

also there was that whole element of "finally the evil monster is gone we can develop the game our own way" (quote from the second evil monster, a month before getting yeeted themselves)

[granite sapphire]

i mean the difference is featherfall on duke is so much more impactful compared to a lot of others

[lean reef]

lot o frickin drama in this community

[granite sapphire]

It's a free fight winner compared to helping the fight a lot

[gloomy grove]

while the statement came from shay im pretty sure it does still ring through for the whole team and its evident given the stuff theyve done for this update

[worldly trench]

it's been around for a long time. drama is an inevitability

[gloomy grove]

but yeah the amount of drama this mod makes is wild lmao

[lean reef]

it is? I still haven't played it cause im trying to organize a multiplayer

[gloomy grove]

2.1 is a good feel of the new direction

BoC especially

[halcyon seal]

Should be noted that shayy had almost nothing to do with calamity at all aside from managing social medias, his drama was mostly in the UT/DR community

[tropic jolt]

calamity will be reborn as a lotus in the year 2050 🪷

[lean reef]

it does seem odd to remove qol stuff both in this update and over the last few months with relatively little explanation as to why

[worldly trench]

it's also like the biggest mod so of course it gets the most attention and there for drama

[granite sapphire]

Anyways I'm going to bed

good day/night/evening

[lean reef]

but my knowledge on that is relatively surface level

[gloomy grove]

if you like BoC youre gonna like the rest of the reworks going forward

[lean reef]

I just watched the oneblocj video

I haven't seen BoC lol

[halcyon seal]

Because the mod is trying to stay closer to vanilla terraria

[lean reef]

what the fuck does that mean

[grave rock]

cal is a content mod. not a qol mod

[lean reef]

are we nostalgic for rod of discord grinding now?

[halcyon seal]

I think grinding is Good, Actually

[worldly trench]

you can't craft X accessory in vanilla so they removed it from calamity.

[gloomy grove]

dialing back scaling to be more inline with vanilla and prevent the mod from being a boss rush and put emphasis on other parts of the game, like grinding, which many people dislike but it is a core part of the game

[lean reef]

scaling is nice

[grave rock]

cal shouldnt be the "everything mod". if ur looking for qol check out fargos, prismas etc

[lean reef]

no man

[halcyon seal]

If anything I’d remove the rod of discord recipe because that item is way, WAY too good to be a simple shop or crafting item

[radiant sparrow]

i like the grinding...like oh no more terraria

[lean reef]

I want qol not a slippery slope into cheating

[halcyon seal]

Then use qot and config it

[gloomy grove]

all of the big qol mods are configurable

[worldly trench]

if terraria was coded better i'd agree to just adding more mods. ideally you wanna keep it as few as you can. that and it's not like the qol recipes were hurting anything. same with fishing.

[lean reef]

its still hard to claim that the mod is removing qol to try to stay closer to vanilla when one of the main things it doesn't do is iterate on vanilla design

[gloomy grove]

elaborate?

[halcyon seal]

Fishing definitely did assuming we’re talking about golden fishing rod

[lean reef]

like are there any 10 hour grinds for 0.5% drop items in calamity yet

[halcyon seal]

You shouldn’t have access to the best item for fishing before you get a single piece of bait

[lean reef]

if not, they're not staying close to vanilla, and if so, why the fuck are we doing that

[gloomy grove]

alot, though its alleviated by zerg

[grave rock]

closer to vanilla i think is the wrong word i dont think cal devs want to "fix everything thats wrong w vanilla" anymore

[halcyon seal]

If you’re grinding for 10 hours in any version of terraria something has gone horribly wrong

[gloomy grove]

nobody said theyre fixing vanilla though

[worldly trench]

fishing is also boring. i can count one hand the number of times i've ever seen somebody personally advocate for using it to be your primary way to progress.

[lean reef]

I think its really difficult to justify removing anything from a sandbox game

[young notch]

Brainstorm did increase drop chances for the very recipes it removed

[dull heart]

we want to not trample on vanilla

[halcyon seal]

I love fishing

[radiant sparrow]

this a good approach

[dull heart]

That's not the whole reasoning ofc

[grave rock]

there was definitely a feel of that in older cal ngl

[dull heart]

But that's part of it

[worldly trench]

so it being worth it was fine for the minority that used to progress.

[gloomy grove]

wonder why

[lean reef]

I do think there's elements to the calamity gameplay loop that were annoying

jumping from arena to boss to arena to boss etc felt very draining

[meager elbow]

multiplayer is working wtih just calamity it seems

[radiant sparrow]

i really think people while okay to voice their opinions, are just over egging the pudding

[meager elbow]

so i guess its a random conflict, and ill just have to wait for other stuff to update

[gloomy grove]

then its one of your other mods yeah

[halcyon seal]

Also, if we wanna talk about fishing viability pre-2.1

Literally half the people I saw in cmt were fishing for reaver sharks

Fishing for abyssal amulets

[worldly trench]

what's cmt?

[halcyon seal]

Fishing for a bunch of utility items

[halcyon seal]

#calamity-mod-talk

[grave rock]

idk if its just me but a lot of older cal stuff felt like "oh i think that part of vanilla sucks so im removing it"

[lean reef]

sometimes I get the impression large-scale changes in design philosophy are made less because of data and research and more from vibes

[halcyon seal]

Because fishing just is extremely extremely strong

And you shouldn’t have access to fishing at its fullest potential unless you put in the work via fishing

[lean reef]

who cares

[halcyon seal]

This is why you don’t get access to digging claws pre-boss

[grave rock]

not like getting any of these even requires a golden rod lawl

[halcyon seal]

I care

[halcyon seal]

Nothing requires a golden rod, golden rod does make things a hell of a lot easier though

Not to mention buff fish

[grave rock]

fiber glass, even fucken reinforced make do just fine

[lean reef]

I feel like you have to show me your research that shows that statistically players who abuse fishing end up having less fun overall than those that don't in order to justify removing it

[worldly trench]

i mean if you feel like you wanna do it you can. but like it being there out of the way wasn't hurting anything. if you wanted to progress normally you could if you wanted to min max/try hard make things easier than you could

[lean reef]

I absolutely believe people will optimize the fun out of a game

you need to know that is what's happening before you remove it

[young notch]

I've always seen fishing this way, modded or not

[gaunt relic]

wait why is my Ankh Shield no longer in the asgards valor

[old laurel]

why did my shimmer js not spawn

[halcyon seal]

It might eventually get its own upgrade line

Don’t worry asgards still has knockback immunity

[grave rock]

removed from asgard line. it still keeps knockback immunity etc just doesnt have the debuff immunities anymore

[meager elbow]

this is how i felt about berserkers greaves and power glove iw as so sad

[dull heart]

Valor was very, very over centralizing and needed to be cut down to size. It still has everything that was actually important for it though

[grave rock]

iirc its now obsidian shield right?

[lean reef]

see like this

[hard copper]

Show map?

[dull heart]

It's just ornate and some materials

[lean reef]

how do you justify making balance changes in a game like this?

[gaunt relic]

the only dislike i have is i feel like Ankh Shield is just omega usless is it not?

[young notch]

I go out of my way to find the angler, set him up, make all those biome lakes, do all those quests, all over the course of my playthrough. I find it rewarding. The rewards make my fishing abilities stronger.
I hesitate to call it overpowered or anything. More like an alternate way to play the game. Fun for some, not for others. Definitely not fun for others.

[lean reef]

this isn't an accusation btw it's just an insanely difficult design challenge

[grave rock]

its same as vanilla. good for exploration, good for duke fishron

[dull heart]

Asgards Valor was

• used by almost every player active in the community
• actively inhibiting boss design

so it got changed

[worldly trench]

i feel ankh sheild on it's own is a wasted slot unless they just have a debuff that ends you/makes you useless.

[lean reef]

thats a good reason

[grave rock]

but generally (just like vanilla) its not worth the grind

[gaunt relic]

yeah im ngl i was using it in any build i cant lie

it was my baby

[lean reef]

boss design is already really constrained by movement items

[dull heart]

Valor change I think was a change with some of the most reasoning in 2.1

[grave rock]

wait i gotta ask
does cal duke inflict feral bite

[halcyon seal]

The goal is to encourage people to use a diverse set of accessories and weapons, and allow at least most of those combinations to reasonably overcome the challenges the player faces, whether that be bosses, events, regular enemies, etc

Any balance changes that encourage this are, to me, fundamentally good balance changes

[gaunt relic]

i would hope so i wonder what they would do

[young notch]

THAT BEING SAID, fishing still shouldn't be able to tier skip. That I consider overpowered.

[dull heart]

Yes

[halcyon seal]

You can’t have accessories or weapons that are too good or centralizing because people will use those too often, and therefore won’t be inclined to use other weapons or accessories

[fathom girder]

Fishing should have more unique stuff in it to make it worth doing past tier skips

imo

[lean reef]

personally I might give the player permanent movement abilities after doing certain things, and that way you can scale boss design reliably knowing what the player will have access to

[hard copper]

Cal also makes feral bite not do much though iirc

[worldly trench]

even if vanilla re added pre boss hellstone?

[strong isle]

It was definitely that

[hazy depot]

anybody else having buggs with ceaseless void?

[old laurel]

WHAT HAPPENED TO MY SHIMMER

[grave rock]

ahh ok so ankh on fishron still good rite :3

[halcyon seal]

I don’t actively do angler quests but I do quite like setting up little lakes near my pylons, esp in hardcore

[gaunt relic]

also did bosses get easier? im doing revengence rn and i feel like im running through it?

[meager elbow]

one last go if anybody has figured out multiplayer not workign ;-;

[halcyon seal]

One of the best parts of hardcore is having to interact with all these different parts of the game to maximize your chances of survival imo

[radiant sparrow]

yea

[grave rock]

idk if im a weirdo but, i love fishing. i dont like setting up artifical lakes

i just use whatever the game gives me

[radiant sparrow]

i make lakes in the biomes

[young notch]

Bladetongue? Crystal Serpent? Frog Leg? Tsunami/Sandstorm? SUNDIAL???

[dull heart]

Fishron and Cultist

[gaunt relic]

i was gonna say i though melee was being "perfectly ballanced"

[halcyon seal]

Vanilla sundial lowkey got a 1000% buff in 1.4 just because beds exist

[lean reef]

the point I'm making is so what? and who gets to decide whether that's okay? the goal isn't to get players to utilize a variety of weapons, it's to get them to have fun. and unless you can really provide evidence that the playerbase as a whole believes those two things actually coincide, it's just being based off a series of personal assumptions

[young notch]

Oh, AND dungeon lock boxes

Those are HUGE in multiplayer

[lean reef]

also what the hell is the issue with tier skips

[grave rock]

the devs because they make the mod imo but i digress

[dull heart]

me and the rest of the dev team get to decide what's okay based on what we see in the playerbase and other games in general

It's always going to be subjective

[gaunt relic]

cant please every1

[halcyon seal]

How would you go about collecting the evidence necessary to either prove or disprove this

[dull heart]

Game design is subjective

[lean reef]

yeah I'm just asking is it more subjective than people think

[halcyon seal]

How would you keep this evidence up to date

[lean reef]

game design is fucking tough

[halcyon seal]

How would you do this reasonably when calamity has 10 million subscribers on steam

[grave rock]

cultist for chilled immunity?

[worldly trench]

teir skips as long as they require more in depth knowledge and aren't something a player is likely to just walk into on accident should be fine.

[dull heart]

And frozen yea

Wait

Frozen you want frost flare

Oop

[grave rock]

he freezes you? yikes

[tropic jolt]

add a new npc that knocks on players doors and asks them to fill out a survey!

[young notch]

game design is tough but calamity doesn't want its design to be different from terraria's anymore

[lean reef]

I think if you make changes that inhibit player strength and especially ones that inhibit player agency, you have to have a really good series of reasons

[vapid fulcrum]

is the wiki updated?

[young notch]

barely

[fathom girder]

It's cuz of this that I rarely argue with dev decisions lul

[young notch]

That's why I think it's perfectly fine to tell people "just install qol" if you miss it so much or don't like certain aspects of Terraria

because it was NEVER calamity's job to change that. it's a content mod first and foremost

[dull heart]

ultimately I do think that vanilla terraria very clearly is doing a lot of things right considering it's sales and ratings

[fathom girder]

like it's your mod I'll just figure out your reasoning most of the time

[grave rock]

inhibitting player's agency to...?

[dull heart]

If I'm torn between doing something like vanilla and doing it not like vanilla without reason to pick one or the other otherwise

I'll side with vanilla off that alone

[lean reef]

I'm of the much more cynical opinion that terraria did a lot right and has coasted off that initial lightning in a bottle

[worldly trench]

can i ask if it's still planned to spit up cryo bars into 3 seperate sub ores?

[dull heart]

if it wasn't for the fact that steam ratings still climb higher now I might agree

[lean reef]

tier skip? change the time of day? go fishin'?

[radiant sparrow]

i mean there's a fucking reason i always come back

[dull heart]

but it just barely after 1.4.5 climbed above Stardew Valley for #1 rated steam game

[radiant sparrow]

ITS A GOOD GAME

[lean reef]

the masses are simply wrong and I am correct

in reality, this is the place where I concede to being in the minority

[grave rock]

you can still...do all these?

[lean reef]

not for me anymore perhaps

[gloomy grove]

^

[dull heart]

Yeah I actually agree with you

[gloomy grove]

i think its fine for interest to fall off of games

[arctic cliff]

i reckon its because its still a good game ngl

[lean reef]

god i fucking hated mastermode though

[dull heart]

I don't like terraria as much now

[arctic cliff]

it doesnt matter if you play master mode the basis is good

[dull heart]

my favorite version of terraria is 1.0.5

[old laurel]

I mean no one ever really forced you to play it

[dull heart]

but I can't help but acknowledge that it is still growing very well

[gloomy grove]

i would 101% never play terraria solo ever again, i would rather play something else, but i do still like it when it comes to multiplayed

[arctic cliff]

and besides, i reckon a good portion of the playerbase is going to play modded terraria anyhow instead of vanilla

[gloomy grove]

not the point i think

[grave rock]

i love terraria :)

[arctic cliff]

like erm

calami

calagmkera

calamidias

[grave rock]

i think its a flawed if good and fun game

[young notch]

I'm one of the few nuts in this world who hasn't burnt myself out and finds myself enjoying Terraria every single damn time I come back to it

[lean reef]

the exclusive content in the hardest difficulty of a final update to a game i loved forced me to play it

[dull heart]

Like terraria steam concurrent players has not been dropping or anything

[lean reef]

still I've gotten my 250h out of terraria and calamity each so time and money well spent

[grave rock]

its a cute pet collecting game with some bossfights as progression

[lean reef]

still uh before I go to bed shoutout to games I still like

[grave rock]

thats how i like playing terraria atleast

[dull heart]

I've gotten my 5000h out of terraria and 1000 out of writing mods so yeah

[lean reef]

shoutout scp sl shoutout ror2

[dull heart]

shout-out roots mod go play roots

[gloomy grove]

can you tell i like hollow knight chat

[worldly trench]

i wanna be a better builder but i suck.

[radiant sparrow]

damn wtf

[tropic jolt]

never could have guessed

[lean reef]

shoutout silksong which I'm gonna get the 100% speedrun achievement for once I stop raging at unraveled

[dull heart]

5000 was a conservative estimate it's probably like 7000

[grave rock]

stardew valley with lots of weapons but every couple hours you fight a big guy

[gloomy grove]

i wish starbound wasnt left in the dust

[lean reef]

stardew valley but maybe ill make it past year 1 on a new playthrough this time

[worldly trench]

silk song i love. but goddamn i just cannot get through the steel soul run

[lean reef]

I'm dreading jt

[grave rock]

and then after killing the big plant guy i stop being conscious and when i wake up the game is suddenly over and a weird tentacle man is dead

[tropic jolt]

accurate

[lean reef]

you know what the stardew valley comparison is apt

terraria is a cozy game disguised as an action game to me

[worldly trench]

stardew is fun.

[grave rock]

if u cant tell im not very fond of post plant lol

[lean reef]

the action drew me in and the cozy burnt me out

[grave rock]

literally the opposite

[tropic jolt]

terraria is my favorite building simulator occasionally interrupted by boss fights

[lean reef]

yeah playing terraria and not being into building is rough

[grave rock]

the action drew me in too but the cozy is the only thing that didnt make me burn out

[worldly trench]

i would be more into building but am bad

[lean reef]

I get very bored building singleplayer stuff because who am I doing this for

I had a fun time building a sick af minecraft base once

lemme try to find a photo

[grave rock]

its ok to be bad at building! im pretty bad but its always satisfying to have an idea and see it realized

[tropic jolt]

half the players in terraria will get mad at you for rushing bosses and the other half will be mad if you dont rush bosses

[worldly trench]

the one thing i wanna do is a proper trophy room with the music bosses from each respective boss.

[grave rock]

i think those numbers need to be tweaked a lil, i see way more people on that boss grindset tbh

i should get into wiring

[worldly trench]

fighting bosses is my main draw for sure.

[grave rock]

the most complex thing ive done genuinely is like. draining stuff for my underwater bases lol

[worldly trench]

they just are fun and do cool things. also having banger ass themes helps a lot

[old laurel]

Should I keep waiting on a calam whip update to do a summoner run

i've never done one

[gloomy grove]

if youre willing to wait a year or more sure

[grave rock]

current cal summoner is balanced around not using whips so ull probably get two distinct feeling classes lol

[worldly trench]

you don't need wait. but it is a bit silly when your fighting yharon and the exo's and still are using the kalidescope was youre best whip

[grave rock]

if you already feel like playing summoner id say just go for it

otherwise

mage and rogue are the current highlights IMO

[worldly trench]

i love old duke sentry

[lean reef]

does this work

nope

[grave rock]

?

[grave rock]

hard

[lean reef]

pic of a minecraft build i made once

[grave rock]

goes hard

[grave rock]

i dont build much with minecraft cuz my brain has a rly hard time w three dimensional spaces haha

the tism. or something

[gaunt relic]

i got a question did all the wings lose their perks?

[old laurel]

yes most of them

[grave rock]

they got different wing stat related perks

[old laurel]

some of them still have abilities

[lean reef]

damn autism is an excuse for anything these days

[worldly trench]

i am on my first wrath of the gods run just have scal left for calmity bosses.

[gaunt relic]

damn...

[lean reef]

you live in 3d space. you should probably be pretty okay at it at least

unless you're a pirate i suppose

then things are a little more on the 2d side of things

[old laurel]

yeah most wings kinda lost their uniqueness

[grave rock]

theyre mostly just differences in horizontal accel flight time but a couple of em have unique perks

[old laurel]

and lost what made them good

[grave rock]

bee wings have build in featherfall

[lean reef]

anyway I gotta go the fuck to sleep i got work at 5

[grave rock]

all lunar wings have specific synergies with their armor sets

[gaunt relic]

I will miss that bc they were actually unique

[old laurel]

yup

[gloomy grove]

stat stick wings 💔

[grave rock]

christmas wings throw out spheres that restore flight time

theyre still unique they just wont give u random aaa benefits like defense and damage

[gaunt relic]

like losing flight time for dmg was kinda worth and balanced

[worldly trench]

bee wings giving honey buff was fun

[old laurel]

I feel like the vertical flight speed on a lot of wings were nerfed too

[grave rock]

not rly. the actual thing people did was just angel wings until they sucked then flight time

[old laurel]

it feels so slow

[gaunt relic]

yo i gotta read these patch notes im like

so behind

[grave rock]

only seeing two wings that vertical speed nerfed lol

[old laurel]

basically, a bunch of weapons were resprited and reworked, boc rework, and all bosses nerfed

and all the accesories give like zero defense now

[grave rock]

only specter and butterfly, were u using any of these?

[severe coral]

Quick question: What's the point of the arc flash ring? Isn't a 5% chance for 4x damage just a 15% damage increase with extra steps?

[gloomy grove]

lets go gambling

[severe coral]

what

[gloomy grove]

❤️

[grave rock]

motherfuckers dont read patchnotes

this is a hell of a lot more unique than random stats

[severe coral]

Oh shoot the wings have weird boosts and only lunar wings

[grave rock]

a lot of earlier wings have (notable) stat differences but theres quite a few that are unique

[spring sandal]

star beam rye rework cooked my build what do i do

[old laurel]

never used starbeam rye and never will

[grave rock]

as far as i can see. christmas wings, bee wings, tattered fairy wings, demon wings...

[severe coral]

Ohhhh some of them have weird effects yea

[spring sandal]

i ve only ever played calamity once and just followed the guide tbh

and its told me to get it everytime

[gloomy grove]

🥀

[hidden belfry]

WE ROCKIN' ANGEL WINGS TILL PLANTERA

[grave rock]

surely ur build is still workable w/o star beam rye right? iirc before it was just stats right

[old laurel]

js get fairy wings

they are still decent in speed and flight time

[spring sandal]

no yeah its still works and at elast i can use some other alc buff now :/

[dull heart]

yeah starbeam rye was

So unbalanced

[dull heart]

I sent a message here lemme find

Lunar wings here outdated

[hidden belfry]

Update it

[old laurel]

so would you consider butterfly as better than fairy?

[hidden belfry]

Might get bat

[past minnow]

why did they make death mode so much easier

[grave rock]

are some of the other wings planned to get little non stat gimmicks? these stat differences are fair enough tho

[radiant sparrow]

i just first tried yharon wtf???? am i goated

[half vine]

booooo so many nerfs

[hidden thistle]

is anyone else having issues with multiplyer

[past minnow]

or am i just tweakin?

[lean relic]

How DoG rework made yharon a easier boss:

[hidden belfry]

No, yharon is just incredibly outdated and needs a rework

[hidden belfry]

It is easier yes

[old laurel]

they js nerfed every boss

[past minnow]

might have to try malice mode

gulp

[hidden belfry]

Probably because you can't do an Expert Death anymore

[past minnow]

i always did master death

[grave rock]

[radiant sparrow]

aawwww i remember when i last played that mf HURT

[hidden belfry]

So master Death being the only option, they kinda nerf it so death mode players can... Thrive

[grave rock]

i think i know why u found it easy u might have gotten used to bullshit

[lean relic]

Good luck surviving from Yharon summoning Dragonfolly

[past minnow]

thats fair tho a lot of the phm bosses were aids but now they just feel too easy idk

[hidden belfry]

Yes

[old laurel]

wayyyyy too easy

[past minnow]

when eoc didnt send like little guys to eat my butt i was flabbergasted

[old laurel]

tbf I upped my boss health to +50% so the hardmode bosses are a lil harder

but still easy to pre upd death

[grave rock]

old masdeath golem:

[past minnow]

does malice mode have ai changes or just evil stat buffs

i assume a mix of both

[old laurel]

its js a joke mode

[grave rock]

there are quite a few changes it seems

[gloomy grove]

its just death ai

[past minnow]

interesting

[gloomy grove]

dog is different though because they found it funny

[grave rock]

ahhh mb is wiki outdated?

[past minnow]

do the vanilla bosses also keep their ftw changes tho along with the death ai?

[gloomy grove]

i think so

[past minnow]

thats kinda neat

[lean relic]

You guys dont know how painful this was
Give me sec

[past minnow]

oh trust me ik

i wish i didnt

[lean relic]

the arena situation in winning attempt

[tropic jolt]

🐟

[past minnow]

underwater arena is so real

[main wadi]

The Old Lord Claymore rework was incredible, but it is way weaker 😭

[past minnow]

atleast its actually true melee now tho

it was kind strange that a pre boss melee weapon was like a multiclass tool

[unique linden]

Any ideas on how to get fish finder now that the desert & aquatic scourge don't drop the sandy angling kit?

[gloomy grove]

fish

[past minnow]

dev team is gatekeeping fishing this update

[unique linden]

a bit sad that they remove things that people got used to

[past minnow]

i just wish the angler thresher cheese was still in

[unique linden]

like the golden fishing rod thru the trasher

yeah

[past minnow]

was so wonderful

it makes sense why they got rid of it tho

[main wadi]

It was just broken

you was able to do Mechs with it

No sense

[gloomy grove]

old lord pairs so fucking well with bladecrest

put them in place and they are forced to take a full ass swing

my lobster is so juicy

[main wadi]

they were ranged meele

and you was able to obtain them just starting the world

[gloomy grove]

talking about the rework for both

[wide wadi]

Beat wall of flesh

[past minnow]

i havent tried melee yet

[wide wadi]

[main wadi]

The bladecrest rework is so cool

[past minnow]

in the rework

[main wadi]

Protagonist class

[gloomy grove]

its such a good way to lock down an enemy

[past minnow]

devs favorite class

[gloomy grove]

its horrible with groups but thats not what its for anyways

[past minnow]

terraria and calamity

[wide wadi]

The new ranger accestory is op

[main wadi]

mage is up there too

[past minnow]

the luxor gift rework is so fire

idek if thats from this update

[gloomy grove]

it is

[past minnow]

thats what im running rn

[tropic jolt]

calamity makes all of the fish finders components guaranteed drops if you complete enough fishing quests, it takes 14 to get them all

[main wadi]

Vanilla mage is really nice, and calamity mage is just wonderful

[past minnow]

i barely play either so i wanted to see if early game is nearly as bad as vanilla but frostbolt is so gas

genuinley used it until skeletron comfortably

[unique linden]

ive actually started doing them and got all three almost back to back

took 6 quests and three of them gave me the components

[tropic jolt]

🔥

[unique linden]

wondering if i got lucky here

[spiral tree]

Meoiw

[unique linden]

anger quests in calamity are always set right?:

[tropic jolt]

I don't think all of them are

[gloomy grove]

there are milestones

[unique linden]

well up to a certain point?

I know that in previous updates, they were

[gloomy grove]

but outside of milestones its still rng yeah

[radiant sparrow]

i feel like akato is a weird pet, its like hey i just slimed out your dad. wanna tag along

[rose laurel]

Good thing it isn't canon!

[radiant sparrow]

real

[spiral tree]

[rough vine]

my friend just got 200 plat from bandit refund

[tribal isle]

Will they respite akato after yharon gets resprited

[terse dew]

yeah that sounds about right

[radiant sparrow]

saros possesion is so fucking cool

[dull heart]

I did my baby justice

it finally lives up to being my favorite weapon

[worn fulcrum]

holy cow

[spiral tree]

Moooooo

[worn fulcrum]

i alt tabed while world was loading
and then i was loaded all my npc was shaking

crepy

[radiant sparrow]

almost first tried scal fuck man

[sturdy patio]

which goblin on the dev team decided to make all of ankh shield ingredients not craftable

W timewaste

[lyric trellis]

What makes you think you need Ankh in the first place

[worn fulcrum]

ankh now not in the ram shield tree, so

just ignore it

[tropic jolt]

the year is-

[spiral tree]

Meow

[spiral tree]

This is true

[oblique linden]

first time beating DoG as Mage in Rev mode, any notable changes post-update to weapons I should (or n't) be looking at for Yahron ?

[sturdy patio]

u still play the game btw