calamity-update-talk

[idle dagger]

oh will they fix it?

[distant raft]

10 armour pen is 5 flat damage

fabled is 8 flat damage but also 1.15x damage

[rugged gale]

i thought it was +10 tag damage?

[wary crest]

Are we deadass

[idle dagger]

cuz if they do fix it soon we'll just postpone our game

[rugged gale]

fabled is +3

[spark kiln]

it’s just for skeleton

[spark kiln]

just fight him bru

[distant raft]

10 armour pen and 3 tag

[spark kiln]

it’s not that important

[distant raft]

which is 8 flat damage

[idle dagger]

oh ok

[restive pine]

am i missing something or is calamity death master bugged? i felt like the last few bosses were real easy, bee, perforator and brain went down insanely quick... and no i noticed skeletron only spawned with 2 hands and didnt do any mechanics

[tired adder]

can't wait to buff those guys with +1 damage

[wary crest]

Skele apparently is bugged in multiplayer so they disabled the death ai

[restive pine]

ahh

[rugged gale]

oh wait right blade staff cant get knockback modifiers

[restive pine]

just noticed on the wiki he spawned with the mastermode hp only, 11k

[distant raft]

blade staff's best modifier is worthy due to enemies on tier not having enough defence for the extra 17 pen to matter

[idle dagger]

yeah I think they really just removed a lot of dmg on every bosses

[rugged gale]

which puts eager as its "best" though its generally worse than ballistic since blade already gets an innate 25 armor pen

[granite sapphire]

Septic Skewer is so freaking cool

[rugged gale]

worthy is worse than ballistic

[hollow harness]

worthy/ballistic I think

[distant raft]

worthy has 1.15x

[rugged gale]

on a weapon that deals six damage

the +5 flat from ballistic is way better

[hollow harness]

the best one is the one that gives you +5 summon tag which is ballistic yea

[distant raft]

enough for your damage modifiers to matter

[short jewel]

And with ichor flask on top you have 40 pen

So, +25 from eager are gonna be massive overkill

[granite sapphire]

I dont think they planned for beheading moon lord since it's post old duke

[restive pine]

is death ai disabled for every boss?

[spark kiln]

no

[mystic eagle]

Yes but it's just really janky

[restive pine]

because even in my brain of cthulu fight i was taking 1 damage from the eyes with 49armor

[rugged gale]

+15% is miniscule compared to what is an effective 83% damage increase

[quick garden]

how does the Rogue and Archer class feel in сalamity?

[distant raft]

nothing has enough defence for it to matter

[wide wadi]

What the hell

[rugged gale]

going from 6 to 11 is better than going from 6 to 7

[unique warren]

[spark kiln]

from 6 to what

[hollow harness]

Say that again.

[rugged gale]

ballistic blade staff gets 11 damage from tag, compared to 7 with worthy

[unique warren]

What would you say is best for early duke?

[granite sapphire]

If they have less than 40k they get insta killed is absurd

[spark kiln]

no i can read

[distant raft]

worthy due to the armour pen for p1

[rugged gale]

oh that

baps u

[granite sapphire]

Doesnt it already do most of the penetration itself

[hollow harness]

25 AP

[distant raft]

25 base, 15 ichor, 8 worthy

[unique warren]

worthy is... that makes sense

[hollow harness]

Blade Staff alredy ignores 25 defense

[distant raft]

leave p1 duke at 2 def

[rugged gale]

worthy is only +1 damage

along with an irrelevant 8 armor pen

[unique warren]

Not irrelevant at all for duke but sure

[tired adder]

reminds me of this

[rare apex]

is there a way to optimize a pre-brainstorm world for brainstorm

[distant raft]

and that damage gets buffed by damage increases

[rugged gale]

how exactly?

[hollow harness]

also in terms of defense at the stage blade staff is it alredy ignores enough defense for most mech bosses aside destroyer I think

[unique warren]

Duke has 50 defense in phase 1 (most of the fight) and yeah armor pen helps there

[rugged gale]

destroyer has 35 defense on tail and 30 on body

[hollow harness]

tbf I did try a full menacing and all buffs build for blade staff and worthy gets comparable to ballistic when you just have a ton of damage stats

[rugged gale]

in that case though, eager would be better, since that gives +25

[hollow harness]

build on journey master

[rugged gale]

menacing is a noob trap

warding or bust

[unique warren]

That's overkill, and also makes ichor useless

[hollow harness]

so realistically its not really that important because on a normal playthrough you'd use other stuff I think

[unique warren]

And cursed inferno is not doing much on duke let's be real

[rugged gale]

duke has 100 in enrage

[short jewel]

So
P1 duke has 50 defense
P2 has 40
Blade staff innate armorpen+ichor gives you 40 pen
So, extra pen on top of that will give you at most +5 dmg, for p1 only, which ballistic gives as actual damage for entire fight

[frozen sundial]

Hey I just came back to the game after a bit. When did they change the calamitas fight?

[hard copper]

4 days ago

[spark kiln]

4 days ago

[unique warren]

p1 is already 50% of the fight

[rare apex]

or at least some way to transfer progress between worlds

[rugged gale]

is that including the way def works on master?

[granite sapphire]

THEY NEED TO BALANCE SEPTIC SKEWER QUICKLY, IT INSTA KILLS THE DUNGEON GUARDIAN

[short jewel]

It only works differently for player, not enemies

[rugged gale]

ah oki

[winged sorrel]

@smoky spade have you found any solutions? Im a casual player and revengeance mode plantera only deals 17 damage per poison pellet ? Im defense 75 even on death it deals only 45 , before it was like hundred , i unironically tanked 50 shots before i died in revengeance as melee

[hollow harness]

enemy defense is equal to how normal difficulty defense works

[granite sapphire]

Fargo's dlc is SO fried

[hollow harness]

2 points of defense equals 1 point of damage tanked

[rugged gale]

so yeah then ballistic is exactly the same damage buff as worthy for blade staff, but is better against enemies that have less than 33 def

[short jewel]

What i wanted to say is armor pen wont give you any more damage than ballistic will, except ballistic will give it for entire fight

[mystic eagle]

Well it only needs that finishing move adjusted

[granite sapphire]

The guardian can still 1 shot you but you can 1 shot the guardian

[rugged gale]

aka, almost everything

[short jewel]

(But that is with assumption that you will maintain 100% uptime on ichor)

[winged sorrel]

Because at this point theres no fun in playing

[mystic eagle]

Its performance against SCals multitarget segments is more harrowing

[unique warren]

I would genuinely have to wait for actual results to come out atp, this is kinda just conjecture tbh

[rugged gale]

with the fact you're already needing to use whips with blade staff, i dont think that'll be a problem

[restive pine]

so has every boss just been nerfed overall?

[rugged gale]

cuz ichor flask

[distant raft]

the player is also quite a bit weaker as well

[unique warren]

Have you done testing for worthy vs ballistic for duke?

[short jewel]

Flask gives 10 seconds ichor onhit, right?

[distant raft]

i havent played 1.4.5

[short jewel]

Which is much more than tag duration anyways

[unique warren]

Ahhh got it

[distant raft]

and it'd fucking suck to actually go out and get shit

lack of dragonlens

[unique warren]

You could ask someone for a player file

[rugged gale]

if you're not getting a whip hit every ten seconds you're probably doing something wrong

[distant raft]

too much effort

[unique warren]

[short jewel]

Im probably gonna wait until tml updates for 1.4.5 before playing more of it anyways

Double tapping for dash is abhorrent

[hollow harness]

Weak.

[unique warren]

It honestly isn't even that bad

[hollow harness]

just play journey

[short jewel]

And my dash macro for some reason doesnt work

[unique warren]

Like it's kinda lame but also vanilla easy

No need to even use dash

[solemn crest]

Dashing in vanilla is pretty optional

[short jewel]

Yea, but i still like dashes(and hate d*ubletaps)

[unique warren]

My pet peeve with terraria is weapons that require pressing left click and right click at the same time at any point

[smoky spade]

Post update or pre update???

[winged sorrel]

2.1 i assume no?

[short jewel]

I cant remember anything like that rn other than special attack in mars fight?(but that one is modded anyways)

[winged sorrel]

Like rn it does 19 damage and before it was way more when i played 2.0

I dont think i should be allowed to tank 50 pellets

[unique warren]

Oh yeah it is a modded thing but a decent amount of cal weapons do that

[tropic jolt]

isnt vanillla adding dash override?

[unique warren]

Oh yeah they are

[spark belfry]

Thank god

Wait what

[short jewel]

Wait what?

[spark belfry]

Why am I replying

[unique warren]

Cenx mentioned it on forum i can't remember where

[wary crest]

[spark belfry]

Thank god

[smoky spade]

Yeah exactly. Beforehand everything dealt like 100+ damage at least in master death phm and now it’s dealing like minimal..

[short jewel]

Thank god took them long enough

[unique warren]

What boss is this? Plantera?

[smoky spade]

This was EOC and king slime,

[winged sorrel]

here i tank a plantera pellet on revengeance with 75 defense and it only does 16

[smoky spade]

Contact hit with king slime dealt a lot of damage even with 45 defense and damage reduction, and same as EOC.

But now it just doesn’t.

[unique warren]

Why the fuck would eoc ever need to do 100 base damage

[winged sorrel]

no way revengeance is only 16 damage

[spark belfry]

death mode Crabulon was doing almost nothing to me, and I was an 18 defense ranger at the time, it's real weird

[smoky spade]

Yeah it’s insane.
Also expert mode gives 3 damage nullification per 4 defense btw:

[short jewel]

Also, anyone tried post buff terraprisma?

[wary crest]

Tank Summoner is real cause nothing does damage anymore

[smoky spade]

They like super nerfed all the bosses damages. As a calamity noob I should not be able to casually blitz through bosses.

[unique warren]

Like, even master EoC only does 45 base damage why the fuck would it ever need to do 100 y'all trippinnnn 😭

[grim pecan]

damage was probably overnerfed, but that can be changed

[smoky spade]

Especially on master death,

[grim pecan]

i'd rather things be a little undertuned than overturned

[smoky spade]

Bc you can literally just tank, what’s the fun in that???

[unique warren]

That's an issue with defense then, not boss damage

[smoky spade]

I might as well just cap my Hp at 200 atp.

[unique warren]

Don't play a tank build if you don't wanna tank

[smoky spade]

No, it was balanced and now it’s not.

The difficulties were good.

[unique warren]

100 base damage eoc is not balanced

[smoky spade]

Now it’s all just boring.

[gritty musk]

for second phase yeah it absolutely is lmfao

[smoky spade]

Not for somebody who played expert mode normally, no.

[short jewel]

How much def can you get pre-eoc?

[unique warren]

Yeah no lmfao

[wary crest]

At least 3

[tired adder]

is combat text just capped?

[smoky spade]

I saw something like 112 actually..💀💀💀 for defense.

Theoretically.

It was from a short.

[short jewel]

Thats like

[tired adder]

from where that 75k dps comes?

[unique warren]

Yeah it's a defense issue, idk how that is changed in 2.1 tho

[short jewel]

75+ dmg reduction in expert

[smoky spade]

Literally nobody is gonna get 112 defense tho.

[short jewel]

And 112 in master

[wary crest]

Hardcore players

[smoky spade]

Normal people have like 20 for EOC.

[gritty musk]

just get all warding pre goblin

[smoky spade]

I AM a hardcore player.

[unique warren]

Okay, even then, 70 defense pre-eye is a huge sign of stat bloat

[wary crest]

I stand corrected then

[smoky spade]

You get as much as you need.

[unique warren]

You need too much.

[smoky spade]

Like for WoF on gfb, I fully max out with 71 defense.

[tired adder]

how do you even get that much

[smoky spade]

However,

For EoC I just slaughter it.

I don’t need 50 defense for that.

[tired adder]

are there +x% defense buffs?

[smoky spade]

I can literally no hit EOC in vanilla.

[smoky spade]

No but there are % damage reduction buffs which are applied post defense

[unique warren]

A better example here is probably eternity/maso mode

[short jewel]

There is candle that makes defense negate more dmg

So, kinda?

[smoky spade]

Oh I did not know of this.

[unique warren]

They don't have absurdly high damage values because that's crazy stat bloat

[short jewel]

Unless they reworked candles in 2.1

[tired adder]

it was always a thing

[smoky spade]

Balancing is very hard but I feel like they had a good middle ground.

[tired adder]

valhalla knight and fearmonger being prime examples

[unique warren]

They absolutely did not and it is fairly obvious

[lofty valley]

wdym had

[smoky spade]

Like being able to get 112 defense pre boss does not mean you should make all bosses deal 250 damage to negate that.

You adjust for the average defense of somebody with an average build.

[smoky spade]

It doesn’t anymore..

[unique warren]

And what was the average defense?

[smoky spade]

Why is master death easy???

[unique warren]

No full warding

[smoky spade]

Like 20.

[unique warren]

Full warding is not average defense

[smoky spade]

Without warding, pre goblin.

[tired adder]

30?

[unique warren]

Alright, so we're having EoC with... 100 base damage, you said?

Yeah we can go with 30

[smoky spade]

Gold armor + some armored or etc.

[tired adder]

you get around 20 defense with ore sets

and ironskin gives 8

[smoky spade]

Once you get into higher difficulties you should have like 30 bc of iron skin and well fed.

[smoky spade]

Yeah.

[short jewel]

I would usually do preboss goblins in higher difficulties

[smoky spade]

That’s an interesting take, but I understand it.

[unique warren]

Well yes but that is also under money considerations

100 base damage is generally kinda ridiculous for what is... the second or third boss?

[tired adder]

...I will repeat my question about how do you even get pre-boss 100 defense

what happened

[smoky spade]

For context btw, I’m a veteran vanilla player who’s sorta entering calamity,
Hence why I have skill but lack knowledge..🤣🤣🤣

[smoky spade]

Search up max defense calamity preboss.

It’s a short I recall.

[unique warren]

It's also from last update

[smoky spade]

It uses the molten rose charm.

[smoky spade]

Indeed.

It also uses a lot of other things I don’t know.

[short jewel]

Modded difficulties dont usually change goblin invasion either, or at least not much

[wheat briar]

did the murasama rework come out?

[unique warren]

Nope

[grand mirage]

Goblin invasion my beloathed.

[short jewel]

By higher difficulties i meant stuff like infernum or fargo difficulties

[tired adder]

oh

[smoky spade]

Yeah it’s freakin’ broken.

[short jewel]

Maybe death mode could work too but i havent played that for a long while

[smoky spade]

💀🤣🤣

[short jewel]

I am however interested in what will they make with death/malice mode in the future tho

[unique warren]

I think people just need to get rid of the overall stat deflation that cal kinda needed

[tired adder]

I still don't get it

[unique warren]

Look up the short, homie

[tired adder]

I don't like shorts, but okay okay

great start

[smoky spade]

Yupppp

It’s grindy.

[short jewel]

Well, 2.1 un-unnerfs reaver shark

[smoky spade]

Oh???

[short jewel]

Yea

[smoky spade]

So you can’t mine hellstone anymore with reaver???

[fathom girder]

Yeah that short is outdated

There's other methods anyway

[smoky spade]

You CAN still fish up hellstone crates.

[short jewel]

🤔

[smoky spade]

And they drop hellstone bars now too.

[fathom girder]

There's also hellstone bars in the hell lab

[unique warren]

in 1.4.5

[smoky spade]

Even in vanilla, you can get hellstone preboss.

[smoky spade]

Yeah.

OH.

I see..

[fathom girder]

LOL

Yeah just go find the hell lab

get your hellstone that way and you're fine

[unique warren]

For what, 7 hellstone?

[smoky spade]

Well plat armor still gives 20 out of 24 defense.

[fathom girder]

The lab has enough for a pickaxe prolly

[smoky spade]

So 108.

[tired adder]

people mentioned before that underworld lab seemingly gives enough for molten pick or something

[wary pier]

Is there a burrower type pet or are they just enemies primarily?

[fathom girder]

Oh plat armor also grants 10% DR

[fast vessel]

Which of the devs was the one who said they felt the mod was directionless?

[smoky spade]

Me not even being aware that hell has a lab..💀💀💀

[short jewel]

Yea, it does

[unique warren]

I don't think this is true

[short jewel]

So, be careful with that double obsidian instabridge

[smoky spade]

I mean they have made it good..
They peaked already. Imo they should stop while they are ahead but I know that’s not a popular opinion.

[fathom girder]

you think a lot of things

[tropic jolt]

lets take a look 👀

[unique warren]

You have enough if you shimmer rox AND go to hell lab iirc

[fathom girder]

Oh right, rox

bleh

'ate rox

[unique warren]

Rox is peak

[short jewel]

Downside: you need to hunt down rox

[granite sapphire]

The new starmada is quite fun and the new post devourer reworks for ranger are strong

[unique warren]

It has a shrine now tbf

[granite sapphire]

Thread of Eradication as expected destroys dog

[tired adder]

that is more true for vanilla than cal

[unique warren]

Pffffttt hell naw

[fathom girder]

Yeah let's have a sword that stops being useful after one mech and not make it a material and you can get it pre wof but you can't actually use it

[unique warren]

Cal is in a very sorry spot

[fathom girder]

god I hate roxcalibur so so much

[smoky spade]

Nowwww it is..

[unique warren]

It has been for a long time, and it's actually getting better

[granite sapphire]

Roxcalibur is weird and isn't it like a dev/patron item so it can't get removed?

[smoky spade]

I also, retroactively, think that terraria was in a good spot and they should have just not updated.

[fathom girder]

It's a donor item so it gets to stay the way it is yes

[smoky spade]

They broke so many things.

And ruined so much.

[unique warren]

It also lets you do the entire game pre-hm so uh yeah it is useful

[fathom girder]

alright grandpa let's get you to bed

Terraria was good in 1.2 you're right

[unique warren]

Rox is actually quite useful you just don't rlly know the full potential

[fathom girder]

It's useful as anything but the sword itself it's so ANNOYING

IT'S JUST A LEGEND OF ZELDA SHITPOST

[granite sapphire]

Complaining about the game updating like it's a bad update though is insane, my only problem is they're cluttering the progression too much and need to add post game options other than build, explore, and bestiary

[unique warren]

Are you

[smoky spade]

💀💀💀

[unique warren]

Dawg the sword in the stone is a classic legend

[fathom girder]

I mean yes the joke was done with excalibur but

yes

[unique warren]

It's like, not a zelda joke even remotely

Completely unrelated to the series

[fathom girder]

yawn

it's a shit joke anyway I hate rox

gets a whole shrine just to be craftable anyway

[unique warren]

??? Hating ass mf

[rugged gale]

it doesnt even have a final boss yet

[unique warren]

is he stupid? 🤔

[granite sapphire]

No clue what joke it's referencing, just thought it was a little pun about not being able to pull Excalibur from the stone and using it as a hammer

[unique warren]

Yea lmfao

[fathom girder]

That's what it's referencing yes

[granite sapphire]

Ah well

[unique warren]

Not referencing, just a pun

[granite sapphire]

Terrarian is canonically not worthy then lmao

[tired adder]

classic donator items

[fathom girder]

everything about it annoys me

[smoky spade]

It was an awful update.
There were several actual problems that were either minimally addressed, incorrectly addressed, or just flat out ignored,
They broke several good mechanics like whip stacking.
They introduced entirely pointless stuff like the npc portraits.
They made pylons uncomfortably balanced…
The pylons were already balanced but what they did was force the player to have “seen” the pylon to teleport to it, and to rebalance that annoying mechanic they made it so you can teleport during bosses and invasions using pylons, which was also a bad change.

[unique warren]

It's a great donor item

[short jewel]

I mean, isnt that exactly what your death message says if you die to auric ore?

[unique warren]

Actually has a unique gimmick and use but nahhh it's slop apparently

[granite sapphire]

So you hate good stuff

Is what I understand

[tropic jolt]

☠️

[tired adder]

wait, you could use pylons from anywhere???

[unique warren]

I wouldn't say that but it is a great update overall with quite a few shortcomings

[granite sapphire]

Whip stacking being removed is entirely reasonable with whip progression and summon reforges

[rugged gale]

no

[unique warren]

Yeah this is not true

[smoky spade]

I hate the stuff that broke every good players flow,
It had good energy and now you don’t need to organize chests, you don’t need to learn the crafting menu, you can cheese queen bee pre skeletron in gfb, etc.

[solid shell]

Worst update was the first after the release of the game obviously

[trail spoke]

Hey guys, do you know if Infernum is compatible with the new Calamity update yet?

[granite sapphire]

Ballistic, Worthy, and Fabled just make summoner equally as strong when whip stacking was a thing

[smoky spade]

I don’t like how they broke the balancing and meshed it together with its arms on its ankles, utterly broken.

[fathom girder]

You could cheese queen bee preboss using hives bru stop it

[granite sapphire]

And if you think whip stacking is skilled then you need a reality check, it's just repeatedly pressing 1 extra key

[smoky spade]

That’s the thing tho, it’s nottttt,

[tired adder]

if don't ever extract stuff out of chests, sure

[smoky spade]

Whip stacking was unbelievably broken.

[rugged gale]

the main thing i'll complain about is melee being buffed even more than it already was

[smoky spade]

But it was chaotically balanced.

[unique warren]

Eh, I think they should have kept it and made whip reforges more interesting, but ya this guy is being annoying about this

[smoky spade]

You died in 2 hits…
But you also slaughtered everything in seconds:

[granite sapphire]

Which was the problem

[unique warren]

Actually, facetank mage is a very strong subclass

[smoky spade]

No it was a play style, not a problem.

[granite sapphire]

You want to enjoy the game, not beat it in 2 hours and play another run

[unique warren]

If not the strongest

[fathom girder]

oops, armchair dev spotted

[rugged gale]

mage ≠ summoner

[unique warren]

Fuck why did I say mage

[trail brook]

is there a war or smth

[unique warren]

I meant summoner what 😭

[tired adder]

I want to link Shyguy's thread about that, but you only deserve one screenshot, really

[smoky spade]

If a boss was difficult, you could choose to go full tank for minutes or play perfectly for 45 seconds. That’s chaotically balanced.

[granite sapphire]

Redditor with a neckbeard

Is what you meant

[fathom girder]

I wanted to be nice

[rugged gale]

45 seconds is not a balanced kill time

[smoky spade]

45 seconds of perfect play is balanced.

[teal forge]

Is it normal that plantera bulbs, chlorophyte and life fruits have already spawned in my world just upon entering hardmode?

[smoky spade]

Extremely high risk, extremely high reward.

[grand mirage]

Yes

[granite sapphire]

"play perfectly" the only problems a whip stacking summoner had was moon lord on specifically ftw which every class does

[tired adder]

if you love your weird mechanics so much, at least go actually listen to what your masters say

[unique warren]

45 second killtime is only balanced if you did some sort of skill-based tier skip like pre-mech duke or pre-golem terraprisma

[smoky spade]

And whip stacking is insane when you do it right.
Have you not seen some of the speedkills done by people???

[hard copper]

Yep thats normal, calamity has added that for years

[grand mirage]

Yes its normal in Calamity

[teal forge]

oh lmao i have dementia 😭

[rugged gale]

most fights average 3 minutes

[granite sapphire]

THATS THE PROBLEM.

You have to be ragebaiting

[unique warren]

Yeah but like, as I said skill based tier skips (also it's closer to 2 lol)

[smoky spade]

You can learn moonlord.. it’s not just a face tank boss, though that is the simplest route,

[tired adder]

[rugged gale]

on what difficulty?

[formal cliff]

Was the onyx excavator nerfed ?

[granite sapphire]

Ftw moon lord is the only problem summoner has and every class struggles with it due to 30 moon boulders

[dull heart]

reworked

[rugged gale]

yeah that's zenith levels of op

[unique warren]

Uhhh expert probably? it's not that much higher in master tho due to extra slot

[jagged copper]

I'm hyping myself up too much for Malice DOG

[grand mirage]

It excavates according to your current pickaxe iirc

[dull heart]

35 seconds is

[smoky spade]

Yes, once again, perfect play for less time vs sub optimal play for long time.

[dull heart]

insane on its own

like 35 to 21 is fine

[granite sapphire]

Youre acting like summoner is the only skilled class, no class is more skill or less skill, it's the player that the class is dependent on

[dull heart]

it's the base 35 thats the problem

[rugged gale]

one extra slot alongside bosses having another 50% health and damage

[formal cliff]

That was always the case

[smoky spade]

Just box them..? Have you not played gfb???💀💀💀

[tired adder]

whipstacking master says that this same speedkill is sweaty, impractical and unnecessary

[smoky spade]

Boulders are boulders.

[hoary edge]

ok that was stupidly broken
like legend rare type of broken

[dull heart]

anyway calamity whips are WAY too strong to allow stacking currently

[granite sapphire]

I've done it on every class mediumcore and almost beat mechdusa on hardcore dipshit

[dull heart]

Kalei alone cuts entire minutes off of kill times

[unique warren]

As I have said in the past, tag stacking should not exist BUT buff stacking should

[smoky spade]

Then you of all people should know how to box boulders:.

[rugged gale]

ohhhhh kaleidoscope

[smoky spade]

I have class in a few so I’ve gotta go.

[unique warren]

Why would it get rid of a debuff on an enemy when swapping to a different whip? This is not the case for any other type of weapon???

[formal cliff]

The changelog does say "rework" but it's really just nerds + a couple of qol changes, boo

[dull heart]

it is fundamentally a rework

[granite sapphire]

I once suggested having the tag and buffs reduced by 50% for every whip, so you can whip stack, it'll just usually be less effective than 1 whip

And 3 whips or more is 0 buffs and tag

[dull heart]

the rework just also is less powerful

[tired adder]

that's why I dislike calamity tester mindset

[dull heart]

do you even know what the cal tester mindset is

i see a lot of people assume they know what devs are thinking

[unique warren]

This is basically exactly what Eternity Mode does and will continue to do after 1.4.5 comes to tmod, tho it's not exactly 50% each time

[tired adder]

it's looking at single number (time), ignoring everything that made the time even possible

[dull heart]

this is not true, though

[short jewel]

Is that in 2.1?

[grave rock]

Hi chat

[dull heart]

yes

lemme find some 2.1 tests

[short jewel]

Huh

[tired adder]

hm?

[unique warren]

People really have to learn to use "it feels like the devs..." statements instead of "the devs are..." statements

[short jewel]

So, gutting tag damage wasnt that unwarranted, i see

[dull heart]

even on polter kalei is still cutting over a minute

[rugged gale]

what about damage taken?

[dull heart]

player damage taken? or what

[rugged gale]

yeah

[grave rock]

Hi doze

[tired adder]

have we finally healed from tweaking numbers by -10%/+10% on all weapons every major patch?

[dull heart]

dunno i didn't do that test

[short jewel]

Hol up

[grave rock]

Work pissed me the fuck off can I get some awesome Roots facts

[short jewel]

Is legion of celestia elemental axe?

[dull heart]

yes

[unique warren]

Roots is a dev for the calamity mod

[dull heart]

Fun Fact: Roots plans to rework mana sickness to work like potion sickness

[steep path]

Roots is a recurring motif in Deltarune

[grave rock]

Insanely based

[wooden hollow]

Is there a way to revert to a previous calamity version so it doesnt fuck my save

[hollow harness]

oh just like TRAE

[unique warren]

Hmmm that's not a horrible way to handle it tbh

What will mana work more like in the mod

[tired adder]

kaleido makes sense, it's multiplicative

[unique warren]

Slower regen and higher mana usage for weapons, maybe?

[dull heart]

10 flat 10% crit yeah

[short jewel]

Thats... interesting, especially with chaos stone/mana regen potion/etc existing

[dull heart]

so 10% mult + 10 flat dmg

[dull heart]

Roots isn't a calamity thing

[short jewel]

Oh

[rugged gale]

honestly with mana polarizer being buffed into the stratosphere and innate mana regen just being good, i dont usually have a need for mana potions to begin with?

[unique warren]

Again, roots, not cal

[dull heart]

2.1 removed whip tag stacking because in the current summoner state it was WAY too powerful

[tired adder]

however, devs should restore more flat damage on pre-hm whips, as that's where it matters the most

[azure oak]

hardmode time

[dull heart]

we did restore flat dmg on pre-hm, and it doens't need more rn

because currently cal minions are balanced to be solo as strong as other classes are

which is a problem we plan to fix with 1.4.5 port most likely

[tired adder]

is +1 on snapthorn and +2 on leather really that good?

[dull heart]

yes

[unique warren]

It's kinda weird to see a mod out there (roots) that tackles the same issues I want to, in almost the same way I would, but is minutely different enough to where I mostly disagree with how it does things 😭

[rugged gale]

yeah they might need a nerf to balance with whip usage

[dull heart]

especially when counting base dmg of the whip

[hollow widget]

is there any way i can have master and infernum active at the same time , as i did a master infernum playthrough but cant continue bc world token disables master mode

[dull heart]

no

[unique warren]

Like it is uncanny how close the way it's designed would line up with my design philosophy but it also just barely doesn't and I end up not really being too into it

[dull heart]

selecting infernum sets to expert

[dull heart]

do the configs fix that

[modest hull]

hey hey, i'm struggling BIG time on Duke Fishron on Master Death as rogue, does anyone know a good weapon for the fight? I'm using the Plaguenade and it's good until it's last phase ;3;

[dull heart]

bc it is highly configurable

[unique warren]

I wouldn't know tbh but I am kind of doubting it would

[lethal kraken]

oh nice i was just wondering about my progress

[hollow widget]

so theres no way for me to continue my playthrough in master infernum.. Why did they change that

can i get the old calamity version somewhere???

[dull heart]

master infernum was never an intended thing

[unique warren]

Because master infernum was never and has never been intended and you were playing it wrong lol

[dull heart]

in fact, it actively broke bosses and made them easier sometimes

[tired adder]

Nobody is going to make your mod for you.

• Noxid on Cave Story modding tutorial

[hollow widget]

easier

[dull heart]

like it made Great Sand Shark have classic HP so it just died

instead of being a real boss

[hollow widget]

i am doing the ones i struggeled on easy

[wary crest]

I’ve never understood the point of master Infernum
Stat bloat is not all that

[dull heart]

also

[hollow widget]

1 boss i didnt intend to fight

[unique warren]

Just do eternity infernum dude

[modest hull]

facts

[unique warren]

I mean expert

[hollow widget]

whats eternit

[dull heart]

if you want it to be harder! just use a mod to turn stats to 1.5x

[unique warren]

ugh my brain is melted

[dull heart]

that's what master does

[short jewel]

It seems that master infernum did fixed it at one point

[dull heart]

if you set dmg and hp to 1.5x

[clear vigil]

When does Astral Infection appear? Is it still after killing the Flesh Wall? I just killed it, but there's no such location

[dull heart]

it's basically master

[short jewel]

Since they seemed to work fine not so long ago

[unique warren]

Just fuckin play expert infernum lol

[dull heart]

oh interesting

[tired adder]

doesn't infernum give that toggle by itself?

[dull heart]

yes

[short jewel]

Master infernum still gets really cancerous in post ML tho

[dull heart]

idk

[hollow widget]

thanks which mod would allow me to do so

[dull heart]

i do not remember the name tbh i've never used it

infernum itself might have one in configs?

apparently

[wary crest]

I feel like fargos mutant could tho I might be wrong

[viscid rain]

how can i make death mode harder now it feels like kinda easy

[dull heart]

there is a fargo mod that can do it yes

[unique warren]

I do really need to eventually make my own mod to fix the class issues that vanilla has but I would probably make it Fargo's Souls reliant

[dull heart]

idk which one

[rugged gale]

so how exactly does roots work?

[tired adder]

one thing I definitely remember about infernum HP tweaks is golem

[unique warren]

Copypasta incoming

[dull heart]

Roots is a mod that seeks to re-imagine the Terraria experience by building on core concepts from older versions of Terraria that were lost in the modern game into a new, modernized experience.

Roots does not add any new content of it's own, but greatly adjusts vanilla terraria content. It currently makes changes to 33 armor sets, 19 accessories, 17 weapons, 4 enemies, two bosses, and multiple core mechanics.
All changes are adjustable in configs.
These changes fall under these sweeping changes:
- Removal of class-specific damage, and rebalancing of all gear to match
- Review and adjustments of all weapons to fit into a more tightly-planned weapon design philosophy
- Changes to the Mana system to be a more valuable resource
- Adjusting enemy and boss AI to be more unique, interesting, and purposeful
- Removing natural life regeneration, but increasing the value of Healing Potions

[short jewel]

Wasnt that in cal config?

[dull heart]

cal is jus tHP

not dmg

[tired adder]

as bug makes it scale quadratically

[rugged gale]

yeah i found that already, but what do you mean by "valuable mana" and "interesting bosses"

[dull heart]

mana is used more universally

more than just mage weapons interact with it

[unique warren]

Yeah see that's kind of an example of smth I wouldn't do

[dull heart]

mana flower is reworked and managing mana actually exists

[rugged gale]

so do the current changes only affect the 17 items?

[unique warren]

It feels like roots is more of a "let's make classes less distinct" as an approach to fix class samey-ness but that's just the vibe I get

[dull heart]

the 17 weapons are Melee weapons that now use Mana for their projectile and no mana for their main attack

[rugged gale]

from what i can tell, its "lets remove classes"

[dull heart]

yeah

[unique warren]

That is more specific ya

[tired adder]

I had an idea about removing damage classes for moron mode

[wary crest]

Does it work with other content mods or should it be ran more as its own thing

[dull heart]

it's not about strengtening classes it's about abolishing the divide entirely and just letting items be items

[dull heart]

it's more of it's own thing, it's also suuper early beta

[rugged gale]

which is an interesting idea tbh

[unique warren]

Yeah, I just wouldn't be into that whatsoever

[dull heart]

so it'll be improved with time

[short jewel]

I dont think mod that removes classes would be friendly with other mods

[wary crest]

So wait 2 years and see where it goes?

[dull heart]

once Roots is finished I plan to make a calamity compatibility addon for roots

[rugged gale]

very un-friendly

[rugged gale]

oooooo

[dull heart]

if you play it earlier you can give feedback!

[unique warren]

I should also probably find a name for the mod I'll make lo

No clue what it would be

[hollow widget]

yo did you mean fargos enemie modifiers

[grave rock]

Honestly? No classes isnt that big of a deal for a lot of mods
Id actually imagine Thorium playing p well with Roots if some work is done to patch em together

[rugged gale]

doesnt thorium have 3 entire extra classes?

[unique warren]

two

[wary crest]

True
I should probably finish one of my 6 other active playthroughs first, but after that I’ll check it out. Cause it sounds cool

[grave rock]

Three

[wary crest]

Bard healer thrower

That’s 3

[unique warren]

Oh shit yeah

I forgor...

[tired adder]

but thought it would be more boring than goofy sweeping changes to classes instead

[grave rock]

And i think bard (custom resource) healer (bonus healing and mana) and thrower (techniques etc with upcoming rework) dont actually care too much about the "class" being abolished?

[unique warren]

It's just odd to see a mod that's the same concept as one I've planned to make for a while and instead of strengthening class identity it just gets rid of it like that's wild

[hard copper]

Put something useless in one of your accessory slots

[tired adder]

like mana becoming basically Hades 2's Magick

[stiff hinge]

wait did malice get re-added?

[mystic eagle]

Only in name

[rugged gale]

yep!

sorta

but yep!

[unique warren]

Like that is so weird to me like huhh wtfff

[stiff hinge]

huh

well that's good to know

[vivid nest]

its not the same difficulty but it is a difficulty now and it is probably just as bullshit

[tired adder]

If I understand it correctly, Roots seems like those MC mods that reimplement Beta mechanics and vibe

[stiff hinge]

ah

[tired adder]

above all else

[stiff hinge]

death+legendary mode

got it

[unique warren]

Uhhhh I guess...?

[tired adder]

except it's pre-1.0.6 era

[stiff hinge]

right so who's in charge of editing the wiki to say these changes

[unique warren]

I think it's just an approach of "it was better when classes weren't distinct" whereas for me it's "classes aren't distinct enough"

[rugged gale]

oh its literally just legendary death lol

i checked the changelog

[solid shell]

Man I really have to check this roots everyone is talking about

[mystic eagle]

Everyone

[fathom girder]

Is the damage boost one of them infinite scalars or does it cap after awhile

Because I really really like having gasoline from ror2 but better

[stiff hinge]

oop

[tropic jolt]

mrbeast give me money

[fathom girder]

rip that guy

[stiff hinge]

and sniped it

[wary crest]

Someone got hacked

[stiff hinge]

rip

[hasty tangle]

havent seen those bots in a few days

kinda strange given the spike in server activity

[tired adder]

...what does the Hollow role mean?

[dusk bronze]

it means you did a nohit several years ago when you could get roles for that

[spark kiln]

is there any way to get this aside from the chests

[tired adder]

oh, nohit roles are dead? since when?

[dusk bronze]

same with dead inside and the other one

[spark kiln]

i had only 2 chests spawn

[dusk bronze]

like 2020 or before

[fathom girder]

maybe through fishing idk

[spark kiln]

fuh no

[fathom girder]

Tbh if you got screwed over you could just spawn it in

like

chest rng is evil

[spark kiln]

they got that whole sulphurous depths biome just for there to be no chests in it

[hushed hazel]

probably cause we finally managed to set mod notifs up to catch them

[tired adder]

oh

[fathom girder]

would yhou know if the damage scaling is limited or

[wary crest]

Epic embed fail

[fathom girder]

cuz I really do wanna break this silly ass accessory

[spark kiln]

idk

[fathom girder]

mk

[tired adder]

I just wanted to know what is nohit for Hollow

boss rush?

[dusk bronze]

idk

[hushed hazel]

yes

[tired adder]

my bones are crumbling...

was it really that long ago?

[wary crest]

It’s been 6 years…

[dusk bronze]

they were gone well before i showed up

check the join date

[tropic jolt]

2020 was 16 years ago...

[wary crest]

I only know they exist cause they’re mentioned in the calamity no hit guidelines server

[dusk bronze]

[tired adder]

2019 was the year of suggestions

[hasty tangle]

it was like 2022

i only joined this community in 2020, and they only went away a couple years after i got here

[tired adder]

that makes more sense

[dusty tinsel]

2020 was 2 billion years ago according to my sources

[wary crest]

seems legit

[fathom girder]

Okay I've figured out scion's curio, the DoT is based off of the crit chance and ranged damage buffs you have, not off the stats of the weapon

's pretty good

[tired adder]

it may be that far away, but people still remember those suggestions!

[fathom girder]

That is indeed an endless scalar technically

[tired adder]

when I was on spree on joining and leaving, I searched some of them

can't believe that Iban actually referenced Demonic Spider Mode sugg

ahhhh...

...what do you mean new Malice could have been named Demonic Spider Mode???

[dusk bronze]

wulf spider mode

[deft lily]

burp

[tired adder]

#suggestions-voting message

this

okay it was YuH, not Iban.

but here's reference

[fast wren]

I’m gonna play some more today! Yay!

[final prawn]

hi is the pulse pistol still good pre skeletron after the rework? (mage)

[fast wren]

Is blade of grass still preboss? If not i might have to use a bow for eye

[dusk bronze]

very

[dusk bronze]

yeah

[final prawn]

is it good with tradewinds? or hwat do i get

[fast wren]

Is it good for eye on revengence

[dusk bronze]

idk

[fast wren]

I’ll also be backing it up with a wand of sparking for when the eye is far.

Wait I mean frosting

Still that should be some good extra dmage

[vale lynx]

Can you still get terraprisma without enraged empress of light

[jagged copper]

real

[spark kiln]

the draedon arsenal reworks are so peak

[boreal pewter]

yay

[hoary edge]

and real

[deft lily]

[balmy sleet]

this feels new
what is this

[deft lily]

burrower

please be nice to him

[hoary edge]

burrower :3

[deft lily]

he marks ores and if u hit him he runs away

[viscid sandal]

just realized they removed the ankh shield effects from asgards valor.... what were they thinking.

[dusk bronze]

they were thinking you shouldn't have to use asgard's every playthrough

[distant agate]

idk if its a new weapon or not, but whoever was in charge of making the "B-LSR: countermeasure mitt", you nailed it, this is the most fun weapon ever

[dusk bronze]

that would be xyk iirc

[polar tide]

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!!!!!!!!!

[spark kiln]

not new, reworked gatling laser

[dusk bronze]

it's basically a new weapon

[deft lily]

Hi alex!!!!

[spark kiln]

it’s decently similar just way cooler

[distant agate]

the palm blast is so fun

[proud cave]

is this brain of cthulu fight supposed to be THIS hard? im playing summoner and the fight is so long and there's so much shit to dodge now

[polar tide]

hai

[distant agate]

are you on the surface or underground? I found it much much much easier on the surface

[spark kiln]

it’s not like anyone was getting it for the debuff immunity

[hasty tangle]

also boc doesnt enrage on the surface anymore

[proud cave]

ahhh im underground, i thought it would enrage on the surface

[viscid sandal]

doesn't really feel like there was a great alternative, but alright. I always liked to feeling of conglomerating the accessories to get the best of all of them

[proud cave]

right that makes more sense

[hasty tangle]

although in my opinion, new brain is a bit overtuned

[spark kiln]

the ankh shield was contributing basically nothing to the valor line and had no real business being there

[viscid sandal]

I was

[distant agate]

it didnt from what i could tell

[dusk bronze]

yeah they're specifically trying to not do that

[spark kiln]

no you were getting it for the ram

[dusk bronze]

cus that's boring

[spark kiln]

the debuff immunity does nothing

[dense sundial]

You should play Armored Core 6

[polar tide]

the debuff immunity was nice but the ram is infinitely more valuable

[spark kiln]

most thing don’t inflict these debuffs and things that do are easily dealt with at that point

[viscid sandal]

I guess

[spark kiln]

if valor didn’t have a ram you wouldn’t and shouldn’t use it

[deft lily]

I think every accessory in the game should be given a ram

[dense sundial]

I haven’t fought it yet but my preliminary thought is I agree

[polar tide]

the fuck do you mean "i guess" have you played cal

[dusk bronze]

[deft lily]

and when everyone is ram...

no one will be

[dense sundial]

It’s really complex and tight, seems harder than DoG lol

Also incredibly tanky

[hasty tangle]

insert joke about being the goat here

[spark kiln]

in reality ankh was kind of bloat in the valor line

[deft lily]

true?

[hasty tangle]

i have about 7 hours sunk into trying to nohit new brain in death mode, with no luck still. dog took me about 3 hours

[spark kiln]

ankh would make more sense in the rampart of deities

[polar tide]

if ankh was kept in asgards valor in brainstorm it'd mean you'd be required to do the grinding to get it now that the ankh components arent craftable

[viscid sandal]

the dash is good, I just always viewed valor as an upgrade to the ankh shield to give it the funny dash.

[spark kiln]

superficially sure but that wasn’t actually what the accessory was

without the ram it’d be left behind

[grave geyser]

asgards without the ram would be down there with shield of the ocean lol

[cunning sequoia]

yeah no, the ram is the thing that makes it what it is

ankh shield always felt like an afterthought for it

[dusk bronze]

turn all rams into bonks

[amber egret]

i am kinda sad that Ankh's is just

rotting alone

[spark kiln]

the most valuable aspect of the shield, the kb immunity, was actually kept

[polar tide]

i would stop playing forever

[violet fable]

did they change how warding works or is my world corrupted cause after the update it went back to +4 def aka pre-hm

[amber egret]

since post ML most every boss gets one free DoT

[dusk bronze]

not for long!

[cunning sequoia]

especially since elysian aegis doesnt even carry over the immunities cause its not part of the crafting line lol

[hasty tangle]

they nerfed the damage of a lot of things and the defense that youd get as well, flattening both sides

[dusk bronze]

scaling was removed

[amber egret]

the issue is what would the upgrade even do other than "More Immunities!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[spark kiln]

not like anybody would notice or care lmao

[cunning sequoia]

exactly

[dusk bronze]

sunny is typing...

[violet fable]

i see thanks

[amber egret]

like "yes! you are now immune to electrified! every boss post ML doesn't use electrified but its there!"

[spark kiln]

this is why the complaints about ankh shield components not being craftable are so stupid

[amber egret]

sunny is infact typing a storm jesus

[spark kiln]

weren’t they made way more common too

[cunning sequoia]

the nefarious STORM weaver

[polar tide]

i get what youre saying but bad example 😭

[amber egret]

no they use Voltaic Crush or whatever the Hell

they use a different debuff which does the exact same thing but Hurtier

[grim pecan]

maybe a little. i'm kinda sad there hasn't been much talk about brain on youtube because that's the boss that should get the most feedback

dog is exciting but brain the one that i really want opinions on

[cunning sequoia]

no it inflicts electrified

[amber egret]

(not them specifically but you know what i mean)

[viscid sandal]

but common enemies still have those debuffs? bosses aren't the only part of the game

[hasty tangle]

trust me, ive been trying to get a video out for like 3 days now

[spark kiln]

dawg

it makes almost no difference

[amber egret]

it feels like if they could, they would make every place have different debuffs

which, in a Context is a cool thing

[viscid sandal]

getting my controls reversed or my screen darkened still blows

[spark kiln]

valor is post plantera, those common enemies aren’t an issue anymore

[amber egret]

but in a Practice its just more DoT

[spark kiln]

literally what’s reversing your controls

[polar tide]

i havent fought brain in a bit but in the auric betas it was really undertuned. i fought it with on tier gear and took 45 hits and still won. in death mode

[spark kiln]

almost nothing inflicts confusion

and even then, it’s a minor inconvenience at worst

it barely changes asgards valor

[grim pecan]

we'll be watching feedback on it carefully, there's already been a few changes in dev to make it a bit smoother of an experience

[spark kiln]

ankh shield is such a scam

[grim pecan]

i think it's more about the patterns than the actual damage. damage is a simple number change

[amber egret]

like, Dragonfolly is i think a very egregious example of this?

[polar tide]

i need to fight it again in a regular playthrough now that brainstorm is out

[rancid pagoda]

you can't be arguing that ankh immunities are simultaneously not important but also they should still be on asgard's valor because they are important for boss fights??

[amber egret]

instead of inflicting a generic (often defendable) debuff, they inflict an entirely new and not used anywhere else debuff thats only used by Dragonfolly Weapon

you do not see Vermillion Flux past Dragonfolly stuff Ever Again

[spark kiln]

who are u talking to

[viscid sandal]

I didn't say that last part at all, I was just annoyed at the change

[pseudo vector]

i think that was before brain got its damage retuned

[dusk bronze]

i fought it and was not taking very much damage from hits, and i feel the 5 horizontal red bullets are a bit too close together to consistently dodge

[jagged copper]

some of the attacks are just fine, but some do feel a bit much, mainly the more aggressive versions of the creeper converging attacks (the ones after it regenerates its creepers) alongside the blood scythes and ichor rain + blood spikes attacks on death

[rancid pagoda]

anyone trying to argue back at the ankh shield removal

[crimson wraith]

Guys, please, was the plantera arena removed in the update

[rancid pagoda]

which, mind you, you can still use by itself

[spark kiln]

no

[polar tide]

yeah i cant remember if ive fought it normally since then but i beat the shit out of it in my gfb playrthough

[amber egret]

im perfectly fine with ripping ankh from asgards

[hasty tangle]

although if you want my opinion, to summarize:
i think the creepers are bit too easy to kill. i have to restrain myself a fair bit to not kill them before they get more than 1 attack in
the orbital ring attack in phase 2 (the second creeper phase) is a bit too fast imo, its really tight to dodge in prehm, especially when creepers die during the attack and make it do weird shapes instead of 4 evenly spaced ones
in phase 3, the scythe attack feels very not in line with the rest of the fight. it feels like an emode attack. i also think it's a bit too tough to dodge, and its VERY dependant on where boc decides to teleport to
the ichor rain attack with the blood shots from the sides is also a bit too tough for prehm. it feels like the intended strategy is to try to stay still and only move slightly vertically to dodge the incoming shots, but i found it a lot easier to just rapidly move up and down to dodge all of the shots at once and only needing to worry about the ichor rain
and lastly, he can still telefrag if you move in certain ways for certain phases. might just be a me issue but its infuriating when it happens

[grim pecan]

still think the damage is a little low, especially on death. looking at people's playthroughs we overnerfed it a little bit but that's a small hiccup

[amber egret]

im not exactly fine with it just. Never Being Used Again

[crimson wraith]

where tf is it 💔

[viscid sandal]

yeah it was just nice QOL not to have to switch back and forth for the incredibly situational immunities of the ankh shield, as there is no quick way to swap sets without having to re-craft all the commmon armor and accessories between them

[amber egret]

you do a 20 minute grind (maybe) for an acc you use for maybe 1/3 of the playthrough and then you Do Not Ever Interact With It

[grim pecan]

right above the temple

[spark kiln]

usually spawns above the temple

[crimson wraith]

Is it always above it?

[amber egret]

compared to other accs which require a quarter of the grindtime and are used for comparable time

[grim pecan]

yes, unless the temple generates too high, in which case it gens below

[dusk bronze]

also i know it's post evil1 but the opal striker can kill phase 2 in like 20 seconds, it's a bit much

[crimson wraith]

That's useful to know thanks

[grim pecan]

good feedback. telefrags were something i was worried about, i can pass this onto Big E. we'll be releasing a hotfix soon so don't expect anything but minor changes in the next patch but this is all good stuff

[hasty tangle]

alright, glad you found it useful

[amber egret]

like, continuing on this

Vermillion Flux is only used by Dragonfolly and its arsenal and is a DoT
God Slayer Inferno which is only used by DoG and its arsenal and is a DoT
Miracle Blight is only used by Exos (making sense lorewise) and Exo Arsenal, and is a DoT
Plague is only used by Plague and its arsenal, and is a DoT with a very mild damage reduction
countering
Holy Flames, which is used a lot by specific enemies who could use it (a good thing)
Irradiated, which does more than be a DoT and is used exclusively by Acid Rain enemies (and some items)

Ankh's purpose is to neutralize commonly used debuffs to allow you to live for longer, but if Calamity just mashes new debuffs down your spine it loses that job

does my point make sense and why i don't like current ankh shield

[rancid pagoda]

there are mods for sharing things between loadouts

[viscid sandal]

I didn't know that

[winter eagle]

I think buffing ankh shield to prevent certain cal debuffs would be neat

[rich ginkgo]

i think the vulnerabilities/weaknesses/strengths system should just be combined with debuffs

[winter eagle]

Or make it upgradeable pml

[rich ginkgo]

debuffs feel kinda undermined to me

[young notch]

I am a bit curious on why BoC was changed so much. No other vanilla boss has been changed this drastically in Revengeance mode.
Do they eventually wanna give all vanilla bosses this treatment? Or was old revengeance BoC actually easier than expert mode?

[amber egret]

a simple upgrade i think would be halving the duration of outside inflicted debuffs maybe? counter-thesis to Amalgam, which boosts player inflicted debuffs

[amber egret]

i think they wanna have all the bosses be like that

[young notch]

mmmmmmmm...

That worries me

[amber egret]

i personally am a Fan of the idea

the BoC was fun as hell

[hot knot]

maybe they were aware that the version before was abysmal dogshit and that the most of the community thought the same

[rich ginkgo]

wait they are lmao

[winter eagle]

From my understanding out of all the old cal reworks brain was considered the worst by the dev team

[hot knot]

though that does go for a lot of bosses

[rich ginkgo]

are they even that relevant though

and can you even inflict half this shit

[young notch]

What was so bad about it?

[dusk bronze]

the entire purpose of the elemental weakness/resistance thing is for debuffs

[rich ginkgo]

like what is galvanic corrosion??

[grim pecan]

Couple reasons:

• Yes we want to give all vanilla bosses this treatment eventually.
• BoC and DoG were chosen for these reworks because they were by far the worst bosses in the mod. DoG for being such an iconic character vs. his actual fight, and for Brain being a literal eye hazard to many players.

[amber egret]

some are, but not all

also man is there a lot of fire

[hot knot]

basically regular brain but every object that moves has projectiles

[crimson arrow]

Celestial Onion not dropping from bag?

[rich ginkgo]

yeah they just dont really feel like they're that useful tho when they probably should be

it's also a cool concept

[amber egret]

fire debuff resistance would annihilate

[rich ginkgo]

but like i said, js undermined

[dusk bronze]

debuff builds are very good

[young notch]

I must've misremembered what BoC used to look like then

[amber egret]

i'd suggest my idea for an ankh shield upgrade (around the post providence time) but I don't Have That Power

[hot knot]

and considering vanilla brain isn’t real much either

i’d assume you’re doing a challenge if the fight lasts over a minute or two

[blazing field]

vanilla bosses won't get behavior changes on expert and lower generally

or deaht

i mena

or master

[rich ginkgo]

i dont see many people use these ever

[blazing field]

just on the cal difficulties specifically

[winter eagle]

A lot of the vanilla cal reworks are not good.

I still think the worst boss in cal currently is a toss up between dragon folly or exos

[rich ginkgo]

maybe more things should inflict certain debuffs

[hot knot]

that was in extension to my explanation as to why people hated cal’s brain before

[deft lily]

I think every bad boss should be removed (so all of them except BoC and DoG)

[hot knot]

[deft lily]

[dull heart]

They veey much are

[amber egret]

Ravager

[grim pecan]

Team generally shares your opinion on that. If Exos weren't such an undertaking to fully rework we would do it

[blazing field]

So there won't be compatibility issues with other mods due to the base vehavior of the boss being changed

And, theoretically

[polar tide]

dont you say that shit about Providence...

[blazing field]

If you just really don't want the harder/more over the top difficulty of rev or death

]you can still just play expert/master

[deft lily]

ok
Providence, Rev+ BoC, and DoG stay.

everyone else? kill.

[blazing field]

even if it's generally not gonna be the ideal experience

[hot knot]

now that brain and dog are outta the way what bosses are in most desperate need of a rework now

other than ravager

[cunning sequoia]

but...

[blazing field]

no grabo no astrum aureus

[cunning sequoia]

he's good trust...

he's good boss...

[polar tide]

FUCKING VANILLA MECHS (in my humble onion) well ok other than exos its vanilla mechs

[winter eagle]

Exos is bad purely for the amount of effort out into the sprite work and anims compared to the actual effort in making those sprites work in game lmao.

[deft lily]

Explode...........

[rich ginkgo]

why do torch god and lava chicken broth inflict dragonfire 😭

[blazing field]

funny

[hot knot]

yea exos could be in need

[amber egret]

one is the fire boss(????????????????) and the other one inflicts every fire debuff

[cunning sequoia]

yharon is a lava chicken

[polar tide]

the thing about exos rework is that it hinges on cd and we are not going to kidnap him and tie him to a chair and force him to finish the theme or anything

[blazing field]

also

[polar tide]

it will be when he feels properly ready to work on it

[winter eagle]

I could (outside party)

[blazing field]

something about mechs is that fabsols glupshittian changes did get reverted

so they should atleast

[polar tide]

we'll ring you up if we need it

[blazing field]

not be as egregious now

[hot knot]

pretty sure ravager (unless that gorilla concept isn’t considered), scourges, and yharon are getting resprited so reworks will come when that happens

[amber egret]

oh i thought you meant Cooldown

[tired adder]

I remember when people just universal collapse'd their worlds for exos

[winter eagle]

Never forget master death prime

[polar tide]

vanilla mechs? they're still totally miserable to fight in death. not in a good or challenging way

[blazing field]

yeah gorilla ravager is the current redesign

[rich ginkgo]

i dont think torch god does 30 damage a second

[polar tide]

im talking about cdmusic my friend cdmusic

[amber egret]

Fire Debuff??????????????????????????????????????????????? So it gets FIre

[rich ginkgo]

what

[tired adder]

because no one knew how to fight them

[hot knot]

current exos are not worthy of whatever cd’s been cooking for years now

[amber egret]

CDMusic? Composer known for niche work such as Beautify from The Walten Files Mod?

[young notch]

I'm a bit worried, admittedly. One of my highest praises of Calamity was that revengeance mode iterated on the vanilla bosses in unique ways that left the core design of those bosses intact.
It's also why I don't like what Infernum has done to vanilla bosses.

[amber egret]

That One?

[fathom girder]

I already forgot you're orange now congrats again on the promotion

[polar tide]

you joke but beautify is one of my absolute favorite works from him lol

[deft lily]

rework all of the mechs AND exo mechs in the same update once exos and vcmm mech themes are done
release it

absolute cinema.

[amber egret]

dude i love beautify it was such a shock to see him on it

[polar tide]

thank youuuu sniles

[dusk bronze]

also arsenal and exo armor

[amber egret]

i was checking his youtube for whatever reason, i think to look for a song

[young notch]

WHAT

[deft lily]

*including exo loot pool

[young notch]

CDMusic did FNF shit???

[amber egret]

it went "calamity" "calamity" "Walten Files FNF and one of the best songs in there" "calamity"

[pseudo vector]

that would be a pretty huge amount of work given the plans we have for exos specifically

[amber egret]

i actively had to pause

[young notch]

oh my god

[cunning sequoia]

wait didnt they make like a bendy song for indie cross

[amber egret]

yea !

[wicked halo]

I can't wait for the Arsenal armor sets.

[polar tide]

rips my shirt off to reveal another shirt that says I FUCKING LOVE BEAUTIFY BY CDMUSIC FT HEADDZO

[amber egret]

oooold indie cross i think

[wicked halo]

They seem so cool.

[amber egret]

either that or a remix

[deft lily]

Ik it would but itd be cool as fuck

[amber egret]

CDMusic i saw you lurking get in here

[young notch]

oh my god oh my

oh my god

[dull heart]

on point 1, what sort of weapons were you using on creepers? a lot of weapons have trouble with them, it might just be you were using a creeper exploding one

[cunning sequoia]

i should play indie cross now that im back in my fnf phase

[winter eagle]

https://youtu.be/MKEXegRVcr0?is=QDrOOVYtf0An3og3

[amber egret]

one more oh my god and i boutta be struck down

[young notch]

sorry this is like

[pseudo vector]

literally just funny timing lmao

[young notch]

i need a minute

[polar tide]

our goal is to be able to actually get updates out lol we do not want more sso's that take literal years to produce with no content in between

[amber egret]

no its understandable lmfao

[deft lily]

u good bro

[fathom girder]

Scion's curio and any ranged weapon obliterates the creepers

[amber egret]

you have 6 months ot make the next update

Big E will be Whipped and Tarred

[wicked halo]

Good luck and take your time.

[amber egret]

who made the DoG rework

[dull heart]

objectively it's skeletron

me

mostly

[amber egret]

Peak

[dull heart]

with some xyk and fryzahh

[polar tide]

i was going to argue but then i remembered the multiplayer death thing 💀

[dull heart]

yeah

[polar tide]

it kind of quite literally objectively is skeletron then lol

[dull heart]

like i don't think skeletron AI is actually that bad

[cunning sequoia]

wait whats up with it

[tropic jolt]

yeah skeletron has always stood out more than brain in my opinion

[tired adder]

will he look like this?

[amber egret]

AHAEHAHAHHAHAEMM. its revengance.

[wicked halo]

I fought Skeletron today on Death mode. God I hate it.

[urban cloak]

i did da visuals 👍

[dull heart]

but it's objectively skeletron bc we have to turn off his cal ai

[amber egret]

very very very very bad desync

[winter eagle]

You guys should do a ballsy move and add another new boss to cals midgame.

Nobody would see that coming.

[dull heart]

in multiplayer

[pseudo vector]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-shades-sunglasses-eyeglasses-cant-see-gif-17413466

[tropic jolt]

young duke?

[deft lily]

same with prime I assume too?

[hot knot]

considering that skel’s broken in multiplayer too..

[polar tide]

skeletron ai in multiplayer death mode is quite literally impossible to deal with on tier because of the horrible desync and also it loves to just. leave. for no reason

[winter eagle]

Young spook?

[amber egret]

flooring concept: add a new stage of the game to the post skeletron area pre-wof

[dull heart]

okay, meet Polyphemalus

[amber egret]

no mod has ever done this before

(this is because its a good idea)

[polar tide]

like cd and i were playing auric beta together and we kept trying to fight skeletron together AND HE WOULD JUST. GO AWAY. HE'D JUST FLY AWAY AND NEVER COME BACK. EVERY TIME

[dull heart]

well, this would be the case if it existed. we just flat out disabled it entirely now for 2.1 release

when it existed it was unplayable

[winter eagle]

I'm thinking a spooky mod Collab where we have glub shitto be a real boss made on cals end for spooky compatibility.

[dull heart]

peak

[tired adder]

sans undertale has became terraria boss

[dusk bronze]

add fogbound

[winter eagle]

No unfunny joke now

[tired adder]

YES

[lusty storm]

Question, why were the Valkyrie ray and photosynthesis buffed? Like, I don’t mind, but they were already really good before and I don’t quite see why they needed to be even stronger.

[deft lily]

so true

spooky mod so peam

(as someone who hasn't played it)

[winter eagle]

Spooky mod next calamity killer?

[tropic jolt]

THE spooky scary skeleton